Ep. 342: Venom: The Last Dance Breakdown

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What is up bros, I'm Jonathan.

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And I'm Caleb.
And we're a couple of bros on a mission to give you guys the most detailed movie reviews
out there with as little bias as possible.
Welcome to the all bros.
This week on the podcast, we got some, I feel quite a bit to talk about when it comes to
weekly watch.
Yeah, we've been busy.
We have been busy.

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But yeah, so that's gonna be a lot of fun.
And then after that, we'll jump right into our headliner of the evening, which will be
our breakdown of venom, the last dance.
Hell yes.
So what do you say we get started?
I say let's do it.
All right.
Hey, this is Mikey T. and Grant and Billy.

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And we are failing Hollywood.
Yeah, you're listening to the all bros podcast with Caleb and Jonathan Rose or just Rose.
Is it Rose or Jonathan?
I don't know, Caleb calls him Rose, he introduces himself Jonathan.
It's a thing.
But he's a sweet as a rose.

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He's a very nice person.
And as generous as a Jonathan.
Yes.
That commercial I love it.
It's a good one.
You never thought that my name would be so confusing to people.
But here we are.
Dude, you would think and ever like anytime like people get confused by it, because I

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use your name so often.
Yeah, like anytime someone refers to like a like Rose as like a female, like if I think
I've only run into like one female that with the name Rose, and it like threw me off.
I was just like, that's weird, because I always associate it as a as a man's name.
Oh, that's funny.
Take a second.
I'm like, wait, wait, I got that backwards.

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Wait a damn minute.
Oh, that's fantastic.
But yeah, so let's get started with weekly watch.
Like I said, we watched a lot of shit.
Like goddamn.
Yeah, we did.
But balls.

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But that means it's gonna be fun to talk about it.
About it.
Oh, yeah.
So starting off, I can't remember his first.
You were.
Okay.
So I watched a lot of horror stuff with it, you know, leading up to Halloween.
And so my first one, I actually was able to catch this in theaters.
Finally saw Terrifier 3 and holy shit.

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You know what this the first, you know, if you guys listen to the last episode, I talked
how I felt about the first two.
The first one, you know, pretty brutal.
Like holy shit.
The second one, oh, my God, kicked it up to an eleven.
And then I feel this one is either I can't decide if it's either at the same level as

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the second one or maybe just a little higher because of what they do in the opening.
Damn, dude.
With the shit that you are explaining, I was unsure if they were ever going to be able
to reach that level.
No, like, where do you go when you're already at the top?
Right.
Exactly.
And so, like, you know, I'm not going to spoil it, but there is a scene at the beginning

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with art dressed as Santa Claus that as he's doing his thing, they give you the idea of
something that's about to happen.
I remember just sitting there because I was the only one in the theater for like the first
20 minutes.
And then there were, you know, before I get to that, I just want to talk about my theater
experience with this really quickly.

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So the first 20 minutes, maybe half hour were great.
It was only me in there.
It was so nice.
You know, I have, you know, soda, popcorn.
It was just great.
I loved it.
And then a half hour in, these two teens who clearly were not 17.
So yeah, they snuck into this movie.

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Probably why they were 20 minutes late.
Yeah.
So I'm assuming if I had to guess, they probably bought tickets to like the Wild Robot and
maybe the and I'm assuming Terrifier 3 was like playing right next door.
I don't know.
I actually didn't like I didn't look what other movies were playing nearby.
But so yeah, so they they snuck in like 20, 30 minutes late and they would just not stop

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talking.
And thankfully, the movie was super loud, louder than I'm used to.
Honestly, like the the the sound was like freaking like turned at the level that you
get it like XD, which you know, like for what was happening, I wasn't mad because because
of that, I could tune these two teens out and actually still enjoy the movie.

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So they were there for about like 1520 minutes and then they just decided to leave and I'm
like, thank you.
Thank goodness.
And then probably not even 10 minutes later, another two other people walk in a couple
and I'm assuming it's the couple that have bought tickets.

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Behind me because it was me and then two people in the back row to the left, but they never
showed.
So I'm assuming it's those those two or maybe those two canceled their tickets anyway.
So those two come in and they also do not stop talking.
Thankfully, they actually are talking about the movie because the teens were just talking

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whatever they wanted.
They were just talking nonsense.
These two were actually talking about the movie, which I will say, like, I appreciate
you still shouldn't talk to anybody.
Yeah, it's more acceptable, but not it's lesser of the two evils.
Yeah, you want to talk at least you're talking about the movie, but shut up.
Exactly.

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So yeah, so there was that and then they were speaking at a much more hushed tone than the
two teens were.
So it was a lot easier for me to drown them out.
And also, they didn't even stay until the movie ended.
So I think they left like 10 minutes before the movie ended.
I'm just like, what?
Because I'm assuming those two bought tickets because, yeah, they definitely looked of age,

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you know, everything like that.
So I'm assuming that those two did buy tickets.
They just showed up late.
So I'm thinking like, why the hell would you I'm assuming the reason why you walked out
before the movie ended was it was it was too much for you, which, you know, completely
understandable.
That you left it in.
You left up, but just the fact that I had two bad interactions in one single fricking movie

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viewing, like what the hell.
BA faith experiences are so hit and miss nowadays.
You it's either a complete win or it's a complete and utter loss.
Exactly.
People just like forgot theatre etiquette.
I mean, not saying that their etiquette was good to begin with, but, dude, we could straight

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up have a whole frickin' episode dedicated to theater etiquette.
Yeah, we really could.
Yeah.
Dude, funny enough.
Oh, shit.
Looking at our calendar, though, we have a week, like, after next week when we record

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Wild Robot, we don't have a movie to do.
And Jason Olme has been talking about wanting to do an episode with us.
Dude, yes.
A theater etiquette episode would be the bomb.
Oh, dude, that would be so much fun to discuss with him.

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Dude, if he's down, I'd say let's do it.
Dude, yeah, on the books.
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah, let's do it.
That would be fantastic.
You know what?
I'm going to hit him up right now while you continue talking about this.
All right, hell yeah.
Okay, so getting back to the movie.

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So yeah, like I said, I can't decide if this one is either on the same level as Terrifier
2 when it comes to its gore or if it's like a little notch above because the opening with
our dress of Santa Claus, the whole atmosphere, you know, this isn't spoiling it because like

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we saw it in the trailer, like he's at a family's house like days before Christmas.
And there's something that happens that they prelude, not they prelude into it, but like
they don't show it, which you know what?
Kudos to the director because it's just like, yeah, I would not show that.

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You know, kudos to him.
But like when art is heading to do this certain thing, I'm thinking there's no way that they're
not going to do this.
There is no freaking way.
And it happens and my jaw was on the floor for a good couple minutes right after because

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I didn't think that they could freaking push my this series pushes my limits when it comes
to gore.
And I never thought that a horror film could do that.
But Terrifier does.
So kudos to them.
Oh, man.
Because Caleb knows I can handle gore like it doesn't bother me whatsoever.

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But yeah, this this movie, this whole franchise, this this trilogy of movies has has definitely
pushed my my limits when it comes to gore.
And yeah, just that opening like holy shit, like just set the whole tone for the movie.
And I ended up loving it.

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This is my favorite out of the three.
This one is just so much fun.
I will say, though, like it's on the same level as the previous two.
So personally, I don't think that you need to go see it in theaters.
I think this is perfectly fine.
Seeing at home.
Ergo why I would give it a stream at recommendation.

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Because like I said, with the first two, I think this would be really fun movie night
just getting a couple of your buddies together and just watch people get absolutely mutilated
by Arthur Clown.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
So, yeah, Terrifier three so far, I think it's the best in the franchise.
And I know the director.
I forget his name.

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Is it Damien Leon?
Yes.
Thank you.
It's on the goddamn poster, Rose.
Oh, shut up.
I forgot that.
Okay.
I guess my ass.
But yeah, so Damien Leon has said that I think he has like two more movies in him.
I think that's all that he wants to make.

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So he only wants to go up to Terrifier five.
Dude, good on you for knowing when your franchise is done.
Yeah, I agree.
And you know, for how much this movie made, like I don't think that any studio I think
Bloody is disgusting, I think is the one that produces these movies.

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I don't think that they're going to tell him no when it comes to a four and five.
When someone's doing well with like, would you say this is like low budget horror or
like low worm and I would say lower end.
But like, but not by that much because I feel like it still looks really good.

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The acting is pretty good.
Yeah, like I would not classify this as like a low budget cheesy horror film.
Like no, not necessarily cheesy.
But would you put like say it's on the lower budget end or would like what's the what was
the budget for for these movies?
So the budget for this one was only 2 million.

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Only two?
Yeah.
And dude, that's definitely on the low end then.
Yeah.
But it's box office.
64 million.
Holy ballsack.
That is a nice return.
Yeah, dude, the profitable industry is freaking horror.
Oh, dude, like seriously.

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But even if your movie like sucks ass, like, you know, a lot of people would say Halloween
ends does, which I still have a love hate relationship with that.
You can't deny that that shit made money.
It was still made for around, I think, 30.
It was like 30 million.
It grossed over 100 million.
It was still profitable.
Damn.

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So yeah, horror is like the rare genre of movies that even if you like your movie absolutely
sucks, it's very unlikely that it's not going to turn a profit because they're so cheap
to make.
Yeah.
Well, can't argue with the numbers.
Yeah.
But yeah, so Terrifier 3, definitely the best one so far.

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And I can't wait to see what art the clown gets up to next.
Hell yeah.
I hope that he like the director like sticks with it and he doesn't get greedy after five.
And like the only exception is if like, oh, while we were making movie X, I had an idea

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for the next movie and so I want to do a sixth or like I want to continue the story.
Like only if you are just struck with the inspiration.
But you have to state that.
Yeah, I was inspired to buy this movie or the process of making this movie and I want
I found a way to continue it in a way that I feel is still true to the original vision.

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Yeah, I agree.
Versus it being like, oh, we want another Terrifier movie like pump one out.
It's like, no, let's not turn this into saw, please.
Yeah.
Or early day saw early day.
Saw.
But yeah, so next up on the list, I watched Freddy versus Jason.

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I haven't watched this in actually a couple of years.
But God, this movie is so much fun.
Frickin the development hell that this movie went through is very fascinating.
And the fact that we actually got this damn movie is a miracle in and of its own.

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Like, truly, like if you ever have an afternoon that are like 20 minutes that you're free,
Caleb, like I could send you a video and you can just find out like why this movie was
such a pain in the ass to get made.
I can imagine mixing two different icons like this.

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It would be a frickin chore.
But yeah, I'd love to watch that video.
Okay, yeah, I'll send it to you.
But yeah, so the movie just as fun as I remember watching this when I was a kid.
God, I remember like frickin like getting the VHS and then the DVD.
Eventually, I remember wanting to go see this in theaters, I think with my sister.

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But our grandma was just like, no, we're not going to go see a rated rated R slash movie.
Like, but come on, this is my thing.
This is what I love.
And yeah, it didn't happen, but that's okay.
But like your grandmother knew who you were, right?
Not when it comes to that stuff.

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Oh, no.
No.
It's like, surprise, granny, I've seen worse.
But yeah, so the way that they make these two icons come together, I feel makes complete
sense.
Freddy resurrecting Jason to bring fear back to Elm Street.

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And then it just kind of goes.
Shit hits the fan.
And so they have to battle each other.
The humans aren't great.
But we don't come to these movies for the human characters.
We come to these movies to this one, watch these two horror icons literally beat the
shit out of each other.

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And I feel that this movie delivers that in spades.
There is one scene that you know, I know they're both serial killers.
But Freddy plays dirty in this movie, and it pisses me off.
I don't know if I've ever told you like how much this pisses me off.
I'm sure you've mentioned it because we walked we've watched this movie together before.

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That is true.
So there's a scene.
And like this isn't spoiling anything because like, you know, like they fight a lot during
the movie.
And this is like saying like really old, too.
That's that's true.
And I'm not saying who won.
But I feel clearly there is a winner, even though people say it's a tie.
It's bullshit.
But there is a part when Fred, Freddy just keeps freaking just going after Jason.

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Jason's on the floor and he turns Jason over, takes two of his claws and sticks them into
his eyes.
I feel that is too far, personally.
Maybe it's just because Jason is my second favorite.
Michael Myers is number one.
And I especially like this Jason, the Jason and Freddy versus Jason.

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I love the most.
Nothing against Kane Hodder.
He's a great Jason.
But I love the actor that they picked to play Jason Moore.
He's here.
But just yeah, I felt that Jason, Jason, Freddy played dirty with that.
That that has always pissed me off.
OK, were you expecting a fair fight?
No, it's a fight to the death, dude.

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And Freddy's got freaking knife fingers like that.
Like that's just kind of a given.
I know.
But Jason's vision isn't great to begin with.
So like, Freddy, why you gotta be an ass?
It's not much of a loss now, is it?
Oh, man.
Um, dude, I want to quote a crazy night right now.
That's a technical foul.

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Like you can't have that in a frickin battle to the death.
I beg to differ.
In a battle to the death, there are no rules.
Yeah, that's true.
I just still feel that that was uncalled for by Freddy.
That's I will die on that.
I don't think anyone's ever going to agree with me.

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All right, you can die on it all you want.
It's not like it mattered in the end.
Fair.
All right.
Fair enough.
But yeah, anyway, if you guys haven't seen this movie, you're a huge whore.
fan.
What the hell are you doing with your life?
Like this is frickin the Infinity War of horror.
The horror genre.
Frickin Freddy Krueger and Jason Voorhees crossing paths like this was badass and it

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still is badass.
Hell yeah.
And the fact that this is Robert England's last performance is Freddy Krueger, I feel
makes it even more special.
So right.
So even though I never got to see this on the big screen, I would love to see this on
the big screen because I feel that this kind of movie warrants seeing seeing on the big
screen.

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So Freddy vs. Jason $5 Tuesday.
Hell yeah.
And then so the week of Halloween, Cinemark was showing.
Oh, actually, I think it was like a couple weeks.
They were showing like certain Halloween movies.
Wednesday, October 30th and then Thursday, October 31st Halloween.

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They were showing two movies I had to make sure that I got to see on the big screen.
So first up, we'll just go with Halloween, which I saw on Halloween.
Like what better way to spend Halloween than watching the original Halloween?
But so this is my this is my second time seeing this on the big screen.

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Just as good seeing as seeing it the first time.
I feel that this is for how classic this horror film is.
You need to see it on the big screen because frickin I the one part that I just especially
always love seeing on the big screen is that opening with that one shot of Michael going

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to kill his sister.
I just love that.
And yeah, it's like there's not a lot to say about Halloween because I feel most everybody
has seen this.
At least usually if there's one horror movie, a classic horror film that someone's seen,
it's usually Halloween for how much it has shaped the horror and slasher genre.

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What sucked about this viewing is there were and during the because I sat not like the
front row, but like the row before you like actually like go off into like the oh, you're
like having to stare up at the screen row, if that makes sense.
Right.
OK.

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During the movie, I could hear like a little bit of giggling in the back.
I'm like, OK, I don't understand why this is funny.
But whatever.
So the movie ends, you know, of course I loved it.
And so getting ready to leave, walking out of the auditorium, there's these a couple
of people I'm assuming I don't know if they snuck in and they were high school kids or

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they were of age.
I don't know.
But all I heard was them just absolutely talking shit about this movie, saying, wow, that movie
was God awful.
This was shit like what that was even scary.
And one of the girls chimed in was just like, well, it was made in the 70s.
You got to give it some slack.
And he's like, well, I just can't believe we came and came to see this.

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This was just this was just shit.
What the hell was this?
And the frickin I had to bite my tongue.
Walk on cultured pieces.
Shit.
Yeah, I had to bite my tongue so hard because nobody disrespects Halloween like that.
The horror film that not only shaped the slasher genre, because if it weren't for Halloween,

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we wouldn't have the slasher genre, but redefined the horror genre.
If you if it weren't for John Carpenter's Halloween, we wouldn't have the horror films
that we have today.
In my opinion, I don't think that we would most of them.
So yes, there are some parts that are cheesy.
Yeah, but it was made in 1978.

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Yeah, obviously, this movie is not going to hold up.
A lot of the movies from the late 70s, early 80s don't.
One part that I will always I'm sorry, laugh at is I'm sure you remember this and I might
have told you just how I think it's funny now.
During the opening scene, Michael goes to kill Judith when he's stabbing her.

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He literally the camera pans over to his arm and he's watching himself stab her.
And I could just imagine him being just like, wow, I'm six years old.
Look at my form, man.
I'm really going to be a serial killer when I get older.
That I don't know that just part that part I find hilarious.

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And that's not me backing on the movie.
I just think that's really funny.
But yeah, like people talk shit about this doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
Right.
Obviously, a frickin movie that old isn't going to hold up to the horror movies of today.
Obviously, you dumb piece of shit.
Exactly.
Like, why don't you go back and color been the lines you frickin kindergartner.

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You know, what was because I don't know about you, but sometimes if you watch the movie
so many times, you like to like try to take something different from it every time.
Do you feel that way?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So with how many times I watched Halloween, I can't even count since I saw this movie
when I was like six years old.
And this viewing considering this takes place in 1978 in Illinois or Haddonfield, Illinois,

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but still Illinois.
This is how like messed up I feel my brain is.
I was picturing like for the kind of honestly like layout that displays had in Illinois
where John Wayne Gacy lived.
I was imagining, hey, this is how it looked in 1978 where Gacy lived.

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Oh, my hell.
Wasn't this not even shot in Illinois?
I don't think it actually.
Yeah, I don't think it was, but I feel it looks like it.
I don't know from what I've seen of like, you know, street views of where his house
was, just, you know, like other parts of displays, Illinois.

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I don't I feel that.
I don't.
I don't know.
I feel like this is stupid that I did this.
God damn it.
Because I forgot about that.
But I don't know.
I thought that for what they did, they did do a good job making it look like Illinois.
So you got to give them that.

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Fair.
Honestly, I would say one of the like the movie that I feel would represent that location
a bit better or a bit more accurately would probably be Black Phone.
Like you remember?
Oh, yeah, that's true.
Like that environment, I felt kind of at least that old timey Chicago vibe.

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OK.
How did I forget this?
Yeah.
So the original film was filmed in Southern California.
Yeah.
Well, they had a frickin fake everything.
Like they had to fake the leaves.
They had to fake.
Yeah.
They had to fake everything.
That's my favorite little bit of like tidbit that they had to go and like buy colored paper.

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That is cool.
And this is OK.
So like OK.
So like what I did might come across stupid, but I feel like like you said, for how good
they did making this place look like Illinois, they fooled me because I completely forgot
about that frickin fact when it came to Halloween.

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So fools on me.
But I still stand by the fact that like it was cool seeing Illinois in 1978 because I
feel that they did a great job making it look like Illinois.
But you know, speaking of that, there's actually another Halloween movie that they had to do
the same thing of same thing for because Halloween for the return of Michael Myers was shot here

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in Utah.
Most of it.
And considering that they had to go through like this, I think like they shot it like
during the winter so that they could make the October release date.
And so like the pumpkins that you see in the background are like squashes that they had
to make look like pumpkins, spray paint them orange.

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Yes.
So like frickin like when they're out on Halloween night, it's like frickin 20 degrees.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
And frickin so the gas station that Loomis catches Michael at where he kills the mechanic
for his coveralls.

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So you could actually go visit it.
It's still there.
And you know, like they they've actually shown Halloween for their like on a projector.
It's really frickin cool.
But as Michael's driving away, they didn't cut it enough.
So you could totally see that it says next like next exit Lehigh, Utah or something like

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that.
Oh my gosh.
That's fantastic.
Right.
But yeah, so yeah, Halloween, I feel needs to be experienced on the big screen because
it is that important of a film.
So I would say a five dollar Tuesday.
Hell, I would I would even go upwards of full price if you are a huge horror film or film

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or fan that hasn't experienced this movie on the big screen.
But for anyone that, you know, is first getting into horror movies and just wants to experience
the OG.
Yeah, it's cool watching it at home.
But I think it's something that you should experience in theaters.
I'd give you that.
All right.
Last but not I think this is my last one.

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Right.
Yeah.
Sure.
Okay.
Okay.
So the day before October 30th, Santa Marcos showcasing Bride of Chucky.
And it's kind of weird that this was the Chucky movie that they showed because they did a
popcorn bucket for Chucky, but it wasn't him all stitched up.
It was like just like the classic good guys look.

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Lazy.
Right.
So like you think that, you know, they'd want to show the original child's play or child's
play to a child's play three.
These movies where he's just the regular good guy doll, he's still fully intact, not bride
and so on where he stapled up, which I'm not knocking these movies because friggin I love
the stapled up look of Chucky.
He looks so bad ass.

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But just it felt kind of weird.
And oh my God, I would have lost my shit if they were showcasing child's play too, because
it is a dream to see that one on the big screen.
Yeah.
So Bride of Chucky.
So this kind of made me sad because for Halloween there was a good amount of people in the auditorium,
which was awesome.

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Bride of Chucky.
There was only me and these two ladies behind me or like a couple rows behind me.
I'm just like, damn, nobody in Utah loves Chucky.
Man, I'm not surprised, but it's still sad.
But either way, it was super cool seeing Bride of Chucky on the big screen.

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This was my first like O.G. Chucky movie on the big screen.
Me and Caleb saw the child's play remake a couple of years ago on the big screen.
But this is like my first like O.G. Don Mancini Chucky movie on the big screen.
And it was frickin awesome.
Loved it.
Bride of Chucky is up there for me when it comes to the best Chucky movies and frickin

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when they pan out, when Tiffany is done putting Chucky back together and they pan out.
And you see him in all of his glory seeing that shit on the big screen.
I just couldn't help but smile because that was so frickin cool.
Yeah, it was just great.

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Yeah, like I said, Bride of Chucky, one of the best Chucky movies in my opinion.
It was great seeing it on the big screen.
If you're I do, I will say, though, I don't think that this one warrants seeing on the
big screen.
I think you're perfectly fine if you want to stream Bride of Chucky.
Honestly, I could probably say that about most Chucky movies.

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I feel maybe like the original Child's Play is something that you should experience on
the big screen because it's the original kind of like how I feel with Halloween.
But considering that Bride of Chucky is the fourth film in the franchise, you know, if
you're first starting out with Chucky, I hope you're not starting out with this one because
you're going to be confused as all hell.

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But just I don't think that Chucky is something that needs to be seen on the big screen.
If you can, great.
And like, I'm glad that I was finally able to experience this, but I don't think it warrants
seeing on the big screen.
So stream it for Bride of Chucky.
Fair enough.
Like with big franchises like Chucky or Saw, Halloween, a lot of those movies don't need

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to be experienced on the big screen other than the first if you're a fan of the franchise.
Yes.
Like, I would love to go see the first Saw on the big screen.
The other ones after that, not really.
You had a chance, man.
They were showcasing it for the 20th anniversary a couple weeks ago.

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Not here.
I'm sure they were.
Let me see.
Yeah, it was like, it was like, I mean, this was like last week.
So it was like October 23rd and something.
I think it was like the 23rd and 20th.
Oh, the 20th and 23rd.
God damn it.
Dude, I never freaking get the updates on like what's showing in like the, what's it called?

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The throwback.
Ah, man, that sucks.
Yeah, like the only time I ever see those is when I go into the movies and then I'll
get like the update and it's usually like the ones that I want to see are usually like
in the past.
And you're just like freaking coarse.

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Yeah, that's freaking story of my life right there.
Damn, that sucks.
Oh, they were showing the OG Halloween year too.
Ah, damn.
That blows.
Oh, and they were doing Hocus Pocus too.
I think they also did a Nightmare Before Christmas.

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I'm not seeing Nightmare.
They're in the right.
Huh?
Are you AMC?
Yeah.
Okay, maybe it was just Cinemark.
I thought it was all of them that were doing these certain movies, but guess not.
Yeah they got, or yeah, they had Terrifier 3, Coraline in 3D, Smile 2, and Nosferatu.

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Oh, the OG.
Is that the OG?
Oh, no, no, no, that one's the, what's that on that list?
That one doesn't come out until Christmas.
Yeah, I was going to say.
All right, never mind, don't listen to me.
Which I think that is so ballsy, releasing Nosferatu during Christmas.
Dude, right?
Like I'm all for it.

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There was another one that was getting released on Christmas.
I forget which, like what movie.
Let me see, December.
I really wish they would have released Terrifier 3 for Christmas.
I get why they did it for Halloween and for how successful it was.
I'm glad they did, but it would have been so much fun to see those actually during the
Christmas season in theaters.

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Yeah, let's see what movie.
There was a movie coming out on like, on Christmas.
No, it's not Sonic.
There's another one that I was just like, yo, what?
Nope, it's not that Lord of the Rings one.
Oh, speaking of, that Lord of the Rings movie looks sick.
That does look good.

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Okay, I, oh, let me just look up the movie Insider, because I'm freaking sorry.
It's stupid.
Okay, nevermind.
I don't know what movie I was thinking.
Oh, maybe it was that Bob Dylan one.
Oh, yeah, with Timothée Chalamet.
Yeah.

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That one looks pretty good.
I just want to check that out.
It does.
It looks really good.
But yeah, December is going to be sick because I want, I definitely want to go see Craven.
Then I want, I kind of want to check out that Lord of the Rings.
Uh, movie, then there's a couple others.

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Maybe that was it.
Maybe the other ones were on streaming because there's a couple other movies that were coming
out streaming that I was like, ooh, yes.
Dude, Mofasa is about to get riggedy wrecked by Sonic 3.
Yes, it is.
And I can't wait to watch.
Oh, man.

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Yeah.
Anyway, I think it's on to my movies.
Yeah, you are.
Yeah, I'll just, I'll just do these really quick.
So I rewatched Sing like yesterday just because Iris wanted to watch this movie after we watched
the Thriller special and the Thriller special was all right.

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It was just them performing the Thriller song.
And like, there wasn't really much of a story or anything.
Like it was them like putting on a play.
So people were coming into their theater and everything sitting down.
They did like a little like a Thriller intro and the intro was cool.

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And then it's like after the performance and everything, they're all going to a party at
the the giant lion's house clay.
And then they're just like, oh, chemical spill.
And they they go there and it turns out everyone's like getting possessed by this like chemical
spill shit.

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And then they just like continue on with the song.
Huh?
Yeah.
And everyone kind of takes turns like singing little bits and pieces of the song, which I
think they got the OG cast to do.
But yeah, the only one that wasn't affected was Buster Moon.
So he he was the one just kind of like leading on the store, but he didn't even say all that

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much.
Like it felt like they could have taken his dialogue from like cut clips and stuff of
the first two.
Oh, damn.
Yeah.
So it it's all right.
Like it wasn't anything special.
But yeah.
So we watched that and then we watched the first thing because it was on Netflix and

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I get really good.
Had a great time with this one.
I'm giving this a five dollar.
I think I think it's this is one that I feel is worth seeing on the big screen with some
of like the at least with some of the visuals because I remember like I was sitting there
and I was just like, man, that doesn't look like how I remember it.

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And I was like, because I like built it up in my brain because it was theatrical.
But yeah, give me that five dollar.
Great cast.
Great story.
Great everything.
Like I dig this movie a lot.
Then we watched Sonic the Hedgehog after after that because she wanted to watch Sonic.

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And I asked her, I'm like, do you want to watch the one with Knuckles or do you want
to watch the one with him by himself?
And she's like, I think I want to watch the one by with himself this time.
All right.
Cool.
So we watched this kind of the same story with Sing.
There was a lot that I was just like because I can't I don't remember the last time I
saw it on like a bigger screen because the last time that we watched it was for during

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that the watch along that we did.
Oh, yeah.
And yeah, every every other Sonic movie I've seen since then has been two and two looks
amazing.
But yeah, it's been a while since I've seen that one on like a bigger screen because I
watch it on like our monitors and shit and it's so small.
So I kind of let a lot of that shit slide.

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But yeah, there was a lot that I was just like, that doesn't look as good as I as it
did on the on the big screen.
Like when Robotnik like is slowly coming out of the the Ring portal in his in his little
ship and everything.
I remember that being super frickin dope in theaters and it just didn't have the same

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impact.
Damn.
Yeah.
So I'm saying that this one's definitely one you want to see on on a five dollar Sonic
2, I would say is better for smaller screens.
I only got halfway through that one, so that's why I didn't include it here.
But yeah, the Sonics definitely a frickin five dollar.

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I love this movie.
Hell yeah.
And then we this is one that we both watched this week.
So we did a complete rewatch of the Venom trilogy.
So obviously starting off with the first venom.
Frickin awesome.
Yeah.

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Super good origin story.
Oh, amazing.
The only thing that doesn't hold up with this movie is the fact that the bad guy is just
a gray venom.
Yeah.
So like during the final fight, you kind of lose track of who's who.
Yeah.

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So it was real confusing, real quick.
But other than that, everything else is pretty pretty solid.
Yeah.
No, like Tom Hardy was truly the perfect pick for Eddie Brock.
Yeah.
And I love the fact that he does.
He plays Eddie Brock and does the voice for venom.

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What's crazy is so in this one, it's like a different guy doing the voice of venom.
But for two and three, he did step in to do the voice because the guy that did the voice
in this one passed away.
Did he really?
Yeah.
Oh, shit.
I thought he did the vote.
Maybe I'm just getting confused because it's like, that's weird.

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I would have sworn I did it for the first.
I swear I remember reading that somewhere that like the guy that like played venom like
the most or like the most recent came back to voice him in this first one.
But then he unfortunately passed away.
And so Tom Hardy took over the role of doing both Eddie and venom in two and three.

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I could be wrong.
Yeah, let me let me pull that up because I'm gonna sworn.
2018 is that that's this venom.
Right?
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think I said Tom Hardy's voicing.
Really?

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Yeah.
Yeah.
Tom Hardy is credited with Eddie Brock and venom.
Where did I get this?
Yeah, because I was going to say like what I was watching interviews between like with
Woody Harrelson for Let Be or Let There Be Carnage.
And he was saying that him and Tom Hardy were doing a lot of back and forth in regards to

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the voice for carnage.
Huh?
Because he's just like, yeah, so like, Tom Hardy did like did the voice for venom.
And so I was like approaching him and just kind of because I think they originally wanted
wanted Tom to do the voice for carnage to.
Yeah.

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Or they were approaching it because Woody Harrelson was just like not wanting to do
it because he's like, I don't have never done voice acting like that before, whatever.
And so him and Tom Hardy were talking about it a lot and just like, yo, you got to do
it like it's really good.
And like, it'll just add like, kind of get you in the mindset of both characters and

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like whatever.
And they'll help you out a lot.
And so he helped Woody Harrelson find his carnage voice.
At least that's how that's how he.
Oh, where the hell are we both actors who voiced?
Are you sure it's not the guy who voiced him in the game?
Oh, here we go.

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Wait.
So it says so Tom Hardy didn't do it himself in the in the first movie, at least for venom.
Veteran voice actor Brad Venable was also one of the was also one of the voices of venom
in the 2019 film, but was uncredited.
OK, so maybe that's what I heard.

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But the person that I heard it from, like freaking like outstretched the truth.
So it was so technically it was Tom Hardy and this guy in the first one.
But the first the other guy was just uncredited.
OK, because they point out and credit it.
They.
I don't know, because they point out like how his voice is like a little different in

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the second one.
And Tom Hardy explained that he deliberately changed the voice of venom in Let There Be
Carnage in order to reflect the symbiotes development throughout the venom movies over
aching plot over overarching plot.
OK, so.
So those guttural as ever venom in the sequel spoke with a more upbeat lilt that lacked

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much of the previous menace.
OK, all right.
Fair enough.
Interesting.
OK.
Interesting that they would like I wonder how they split that up then.
Yeah, like if I just want to know how hardy the full credit.
Yeah, I just want to know who the hell I got that freaking misinformation from because

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you're you're an asshole.
The guy is not dead.
Yeah, the this movie, a far superior story from two.
Listen, but yes, definitely.
The Ville are the antagonist design is better in two than this one.

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But the action in both of them is freaking prime.
Yes, I agree.
Yeah, so we ended up giving this a five dollar Tuesday because this would be so much fun
to see in theaters again.
I want to make sure that I'm not pulling it out of my ass and I want to make sure.
Wait, did he shit?

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Did he actually pass away?
I'm going to feel like such a asshole.
Did he?
Uh, one second.
Oh my God.
Yeah, he did.
Oh, oh my God.
I'm such an asshole.
I'm so sorry.
I wow.
Well, that's not your fault.
You didn't know.
Yeah, yeah, that's well, I mean, you did know.
Oh, man.

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Either way, I apologize.
He did a great job from what we heard from him.
And may he rest in peace.
Yeah.
Anyway, yeah, five out of Tuesday for the first venom.
Uh, then for venom, let there be carnage.
There was a big disconnect.
Like a very big.

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Dude, I forgot how freaking short this movie is.
Like if you're not including credits because the freaking the venom movies have some of
the longest credits I've ever seen.
Dude, no shit.
Because of the post of the post and end credit scenes that all three of these movies have.

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But like, yeah, freaking before I think like this movie's runtime is like an hour and 40
before the credits start rolling, it finishes at like an hour 24.
Damn.
Yeah.
This is a short ass movie.
It feels long.
In some parts.
Yeah, it definitely does.

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Yeah.
This is definitely the weaker of the trilogy.
Carnage was sick, though.
Carnage looks so freaking cool.
He was a good villain for for venom, but it's just the story that they had was lacking.
I think they tried to incorporate too much of like a mystery or whatever the hell you

(48:40):
want to call it with Cletus, Cassidy and his girlfriend.
Yeah, honestly, I I wish that they would have just done without the girlfriend.
I'm sorry.
Um, and just focused completely on Cletus.
Yeah.
I didn't really need shrieking here.
Not really.
It was too much.

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It was just it was a little too much.
And it's sad considering that Andy Serkis directed this movie.
I know.
Action wise, dude, he nailed it.
Like the action here was amazing.
It's just everything else fell.
Everything else fell short, unfortunately.

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Yeah.
So we ended up giving this a nothing better to do recommendation.
Yeah, that hurt.
Yeah, a little bit.
But anyway, I believe that was it.
All right.
Hell yeah.
That was a lot to get through.
Yeah.
But hey, that's OK.

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So Caleb, what do you say we get started with our headliner of the evening?
I say let's do it.
All right.
So jumping right into our headliner of the evening, which, like I said, will be Venom,

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the Last Dance.
Caleb, do you want to let people know how we break down movies on this podcast?
I would love to.
If you are new to our breakdown system, we have split movies into eight different categories
that we individually score to come to a final All Bros letter grade.
The eight categories that we score are story, writing, acting, character development, effects,

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music, costumes, and then we give it our own personal score at the very end.
All of those numbers get magically added up and spit through our algorithm and give us
a letter grade to compare this movie to others of a similar grade.
And yeah, it also gives us a percentage to see what the official ranking is, but that

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doesn't matter nearly as much as the letter grade does itself.
If you have not seen Venom, the Last Dance, Rose is about to spoil the entire freaking
movie for you in our favorite segment that we like to call Reading with Rose.
So without further ado, Johnny, would you like to?

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That was weird.
Wasn't that weird?
It's been so long since you've called me anything but Rose that it feels weird.
Fair enough.
Anyway, would you like to spoil this entire movie for everyone?
I would love to.
Rose would love to.
Rose would love to.

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Yeah, let me.
All right, here we go.
Another warning has been posted now.
So if you listen beyond this point and anything is spoiled for you, sucks to suck.
Yep.
All right.
So Eddie Brock and the Venom symbiote are drunk in a bar in Mexico, still on the run
after their recent battle with Carnage.

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The murder of Patrick Mulligan makes international headlines with Eddie being named the prime
suspect forcing him to set out to New York City and attempt to clear his name.
Not known to either of them, a creature known as Xenophage has begun tracking Eddie and
Venom.
The recent events catch the attention of Rex Strickland, a soldier who oversees Imperium,

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a government operation at the site of the soon to be decommissioned Area 51 for the
capture and study of other symbiotes that have fallen to Earth.
Mulligan, revealed to have survived his encounter with Carnage, is captured after being left
for dead by another symbiote who eluded Strickland's soldiers.
He is bonded with one of many contained symbiotes and questioned by Imperium researchers Dr.

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Teddy Payne and Sadie Christmas to learn about the symbiotes' purpose on Earth before Strickland
is ordered to bring Venom down.
While attaching themselves to the site of an airplane bound for New York City, Eddie
and Venom are attacked by the Xenophage, tracking them and are forced to drop off into a desert
field.

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Venom explains to Eddie that Xenophages were unleashed into the universe by Null, the creator
of the symbiotes, to retrieve a codex which is forged when the symbiote resurrects its
host.
This can free Null from the prison of the symbiotes trapped him in long ago.
Because Venom revived Eddie once before, he now carries a codex that Xenophage has now

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tracked to Earth.
After being ambushed by Strickland and his team while barely escaping from them and the
Xenophage, Eddie meets Martin Moon and his family of traveling hippies and alien enthusiasts
who offer him a free ride to Las Vegas on their way to Area 51.
Meanwhile, Mulligan's new symbiote informs Strickland of Null's intentions with the codex,

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which can only be destroyed if either Eddie or Venom dies.
Arriving in Las Vegas, Eddie and Venom run into Mrs. Chen at a casino on vacation and
Venom shares a dance with her before being ambushed by the Xenophage again.
Strickland's team arrives, separates Venom from Eddie, and takes them to Area 51 where
Eddie reunites with Mulligan.

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Sadie frees Venom, who rebonds with Eddie after Strickland shoots him.
This attracts the Xenophage to the base, killing Mulligan.
Venom has the other confined symbiotes released, which bond with Sadie and other hosts to find
out the Xenophage, who has signaled to Null that the codex has been found.
Null sends more Xenophages through portals to Earth, overwhelming the symbiotes.

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Realizing he must sacrifice himself to destroy the codex and save the universe, Venom merges
with the Xenophages, leads them into acid tanks, and bids Eddie farewell before ejecting
him as a mortally wounded Strickland sets off his grenades to destroy them.
Pain bonds with a symbiote to save Sadie from the explosion, while Eddie falls unconscious
as the base burns.

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Eddie later wakes up in a hospital, where a military official informs Eddie that his actions
with Venom at Area 51 have earned him an expungement under the condition of keeping the events
that transpired a secret.
Arriving in New York City, Eddie gazes at the Statue of Liberty while remembering Venom.
In a mid-credit scene, Null declares that the universe is no longer safe from him now

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that Venom has fallen.
In a post-credit scene, a panicked bartender escapes the burned remains of Area 51 as a
black cockroach crawls out of the rubble next to a broken vial that previously contained
a sample of the Venom symbiote.
Was that the sample with Venom?
Yeah, I guess it was because they never did anything with that one.

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We saw like his big, like when they actually captured Venom, like we actually saw that,
so I guess we actually, yeah we never saw what they did with the little Venom sample
that they got from the bar.
Okay, because I thought that was the sample that got freaking electrocuted that What's
Her Face pain took.

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Because it had like that purple lightning on it.
So I was under the assumption that that was more of her symbiote.
Maybe it was, I don't know man.
Yeah they...
Yeah me.
Yeah, even re-watching it at the end, like I didn't catch it like super clearly this
time, but yeah I was just like, wait a minute, like is that supposed to be Venom?

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Which would make sense, like that would have been like a fun little tease where it's just
like a cockroach gets freaking by Venom, but that it just looked like it was still that
lightning symbiote.
Like the speedster one, so I was like, okay that's kind of a confusing ending.

(56:57):
Yeah, one thing that I've seen, I find really funny, is people are, you know because during
this movie Eddie tells Venom like, oh this has been like the longest year of my life
spending it with you, and Venom's just like, oh my god we've been together for a year.
And so everyone was just like, oh my god, like look at what the Venom symbiote did to

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Eddie Brock, like how much it like aged him and all this stuff.
And everyone's just like, guys it's just Tom Hardy got older, that's all it is.
Don't try to freaking dive deep into this shit.
I know, you're reading too much into this, guys.
What a dick move too.
Like remember the first one came out in, was it 18 or 19?

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18.
Okay, yeah.
So you know, six years, yeah Tom Hardy's gonna age, guys.
Doesn't matter that these movies take place within a year.
Yeah, Tom Hardy's gonna age.
That's the most insane part for me, because when he was talking about it being like only

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a year, I was just like, yo what?
But, yeah seriously, that's one hell of a year.
I know, that's the craziest thing for me to grasp, not necessarily how much it's aged
Tom Hardy.
Oh man.
Dude, but, dude getting right into the freaking story.

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This was the best story of the trilogy.
Yes, absolutely.
And I think I liked it the most because we got to spend the most time with Venom and
Eddie this time around.
And honestly, that's what I want to see with these movies.
I want to see these guys freaking butt heads or have a good time together.

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And so like watching throughout the movie them like as for how far that they've come
together and then unfortunately you have to see them go their separate ways at the end,
which freaking I don't know about you, but I tear up.
It got me.
Yeah.
It got me pretty.
Yeah.
I didn't quite cry, but I was on the verge.

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I was like, what's funny is, and I think it's just because, you know, like your first time
you're just like, oh shit, like, man, they're like really heavy.
So like, I freaking remember the first time I saw this and like, you know, I started crying
when he's saying goodbye to Venom and then they do the whole montage in New York, which
I love.
And then the second time watching it, like, yeah, I teared up when they actually do tear

(59:34):
up a little one that they actually have to say goodbye.
But when they're doing like the whole montage in New York, all I could do was just smile.
Like I didn't actually cry at that moment.
And so I, you know, one, I already knew what was happening, but two, just watching the
previous two movies before seeing this again, I feel like really impacted that scene.

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And honestly, the whole ending, just because like, yeah, these two, these two, this man
and Symbiote have been through a lot of shit together.
And so you can completely understand why it is so hard for him to say goodbye.
Like, yeah, they, they had their, their tough times.
Watch Venom let their breed carnage.
Like yeah, they definitely had their, their problems.

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But at the end of the day, and even Eddie says, my best friend is a freaking alien.
Like the Venom meant a lot, meant a lot to him and like fricking kudos to them for like
ending the story the way that they did with this movie.
This, this movie did the best job of making me feel like they were actually friends.

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And in the first one, obviously there, it was kind of like get to know you situation
and like kind of bonding.
And then two, it felt like Eddie was just like done with Venom, like almost through
the entire movie.
Cause I mean, he's just sitting there while Venom's like tearing up the place and like,
and he's just dead pan just like, I am so over it.

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And so I don't think two did the best job of making me feel like they were friends by
the end.
I think it was just more like a business arrangement to beat carnage.
This did the best job of making me feel like they're friends.
Cause Eddie was just so like, we're not eating anyone and like, we're not doing this.

(01:01:28):
We're not doing like, he was so anti anything Venom wanted to do.
And so when, when they were at the, when they were going through and they find the dog fighting
ring and everything and Venom's just like, you, you take me to the best places.
I was just like, that loved that.

(01:01:50):
Yeah.
Like that felt so fun.
And then like the panic that you could feel when they fell into the river after they'd
been separated and then like you see Venom freaking chasing after Eddie, like taking
over a fish that was freaking sick.
Like all the little animals that you took over that frog, like, Oh God, that was awesome.

(01:02:14):
Yeah.
And yeah, I, I like, I liked that and I enjoyed like this, like I said, it made it feel like
they were actually friends and like actually had like a close connection and yeah, Venom
did shit to piss Eddie off, but it felt like more, more friendship style than any other

(01:02:38):
thing.
Yeah.
Like a friendship irritation versus the second one where it was just, just, he was just aggravated
with him.
Yeah.
So the, the clips that went back to the second movie, I'm like, I'm not quite getting that
vibe, especially after watching this in like in sequence.
Yeah.

(01:02:59):
I wasn't quite getting the vibe that the second go round, but the, the third one, yeah, definitely
fix that.
And what I liked about this too, the stakes felt real.
I mean, cause they were real.
Yeah.
Like that's, I think that's one thing that these movies do really well with portraying

(01:03:22):
is this, the stakes, the stakes are fricking solid.
And with this one, no, like he was kind of a super intimidating bad guy.
Yeah.
So the fact that you were able to catch the post-credits scene, what'd you think of that
one this time around with him?

(01:03:43):
Pretty sick.
Right?
Pretty fricking sick.
Like I don't know what they're right.
So bad-ass.
Like, I don't know where they're going to take that now.
If they're like, cause like they've said, like in Tom Hardy said, like, no, this is
like the last time I'm playing venom.
Like we planned three movies.
We did three movies.

(01:04:03):
That's all you're getting from me is Eddie Brock.
That's going to be rough, dude.
Yeah.
So I, I mean, but the director did say, she did say that, you know, like there, there
is, even though this is the end of Eddie and venom story, clearly as you can see in this
movie, there's a lot of symbiotes that you can go with and maybe work their, their storylines

(01:04:27):
in with a null.
So I don't know how I feel about the other civiots though.
I don't know.
No one will ever be venom.
I know it's like, okay, cool.
Like we got that, what's her face, Christmas and we got pain and like, yeah, I feel like
they could have like have a really cool dynamic.

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Like it'd be different, definitely like a sister's kind of situation, which would be
all types of interesting, but I don't think they set either of them up well enough to
do that.
Yeah.
I definitely agree with that.
Dude, if there's anything that felt super unnecessary, it was pain's backstory.

(01:05:12):
Yeah.
I mean, very tragic.
That's really sad that, you know, she lost her brother during a lightning storm and he
had so many dreams of working at NASA and so she decides to, in honor of her brother,
push for what he dreamed of.
And you know what, that's a great sister right there, like truly.

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But yeah, I definitely agree.
Like definitely didn't need to dive as deep as we did into that character.
Yeah.
That was the biggest like meh point for me in the movie.
What did you think of Strickland's storyline?
Strickland wasn't bad.

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I don't know.
I personally felt like Mulligan was kind of wasted.
He was super wasted.
Which because I love him in the second one, like he's one of the better parts of the second
one.
Yeah.
And I'm going to be honest, for how long it's been since I've seen Let There Be Carnage,
I straight up forgot who Mulligan was the first time I saw The Last Dance.

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They're just like, oh my God, he's still alive.
You know, like he's actually, as long as we mend him with the symbiote, like he's going
to be good.
I'm just like, who the hell is this guy?
Like where the hell did he come from?
Yeah, it took me a second to remember who the hell he was.
But dude, I was also, when they started saying that, like, oh, bond him with a symbiote,

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I'm like, that's not how that works.
Like they established in the first one, like not everyone's compatible with symbiote.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.
Cause yeah, fricking like, yeah, even in the second one, when Venom and Eddie go separate
ways and he's trying to find someone else to inhabit their body, he fricking has to

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go to like Mrs. Chen and be like, yeah, none of these other people can take what I am.
Like they all just keep fricking dying on me.
Yeah.
Like that, I think was the most bullshit moment of the movie when everyone was just kind of
getting a symbiote.
I was like, this isn't vibing.

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Or maybe it's just because it's quick that they're able to like combat and everything.
But yeah, that was the one thing that wasn't like super vibing with me.
Even though his new symbiote, I was kind of bummed we didn't get to see his blue symbiote.
Oh yeah, that would have been so bad ass.

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But his new symbiote was sick.
Yeah, I definitely agree with that.
Yeah, Mulligan was fricking awesome this round.
I loved those moments where it looked like he was like straight up floating towards like
the glass.
I was like, oh dude, it was so unsettling.

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Like just that lack of movement was just like, it freaked me out.
Yeah.
Oh no, I agree.
I know she doesn't get like, it's mostly just cameos, but you know what?
I would have loved if we got more Miss Chen in this movie.
Dude, Chen is easily the best thing that's come from these movies.

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Oh yeah, she's amazing.
She is an absolute gem.
I hope that we get more Mrs. Chen cameos in future Sony projects.
Yes, please.
Because yeah, fricking when her and Venom are dancing and Eddie's just like, oh my God,
I can't unsee that.

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Or he's just like, when the hell did you guys have time to choreograph this?
Dude, this, that just headcanon for me.
That just puts in my mind that there have been nights that Venom leaves Eddie and takes
over some rando person to go and practice this dance with Chen.

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I can see it.
Yep.
I could see it.
Oh man.
Oh, I loved the dance was goofy.
Like don't get me wrong.
The dance was goofy as all hell and obviously just to kind of act like they needed a fight
scene in Vegas with the xenomorph or not the xenomorph, that's alien, whatever you call

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it.
The xenophage is what they're called.
Yeah, I think you got it right.
Yeah.
Like whatever the hell you want to call them that like it felt just like a plot device
to get the xenophage to like come and give them a fight scene in Vegas.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I was like, okay, I kind of see through you there.

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But yeah, dude, the symbiote fight bitchin.
Yeah that was awesome.
That was so sick.
I love the frickin the elemental factors between the different symbiotes.
Like I love like the magma one and then the one that was like all earth and just super

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strong and beefy.
Like I love when they were basically taking over like rando people.
Yeah.
Like I thought it was super cool.
And the frickin the xenophage too.
Like that was super scary.
Yeah.
Yeah.

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Like seriously, you're reminding me a lot of stranger things for some reason.
It did.
It had like very much though, like it was kind of a mix between like stranger things
in a frickin quiet place.
Yeah there we go.
Yeah.
But dude, the way that frickin like eight people and just like wood chippered them out
of the back of its head, I was just like, oh my God.

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Yeah that was that was disturbing.
Yeah I like full blown just like frickin nuts.
Yeah.
But yeah, I loved even like the slower moments like when Eddie's in the van with those with
that family.
Like that was such a sweet moment.

(01:11:27):
Yeah.
That frickin song that they were singing like singing like, oh my God, my heart.
Oh dude.
And I love that like you hear venom singing with them.
Like I think that just added to it.
I was just like, ah man, like Eddie, you're such a buzzkill.
Oh seriously.
Yeah.

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And I always forget that like other people can't hear venom because the way that they're
just like, what did you say?
And he's like nothing.
Like, okay.
Oh, because yeah, I forget like what he he says to the family when he first gets there.
But like venom says something and Eddie has to be like, don't you dare.

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These beautiful children that you have are some shit like that.
He had to course correct that so fast.
Oh yeah.
Like you'd have to.
Oh dude.
It took me forever to frickin realize where I knew the mom from.
Oh dude.
Frickin I knew immediately Ted, right?
Yep.
Yeah.

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I was sitting there.
I was just like, gosh, I know her like the frickin characters are just night and day.
Yeah.
And so like the second I like, I got like a really good look, like she said something,
but it was like with that, like the same face.
And I was like, I know who that is.
It's like Mrs. Bennett.
Easily my favorite character from Ted.

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Oh yeah.
She, yeah, she's amazing.
Dude.
She was at such a gym.
I love her.
And I, I would love for that, that show to get more seasons.
I swear that Seth MacFarlane is working on season two.
Oh yeah.
Like it was greenlit for a season two.

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Good.
Oh, anyway, the, it was just like the, the moments between Eddie and Venom were so genuine
this go round where Venom's like, like, oh, like you lied to this child and like almost
like make like setting it up.
Like he's going to call him out for being like shitty and he's just like, you would

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have made a good father.
And I'm like, Oh, dude, freaking Venom is like the best hype man also that you could have
like, he's just like, Oh, you look so good in that suit.
You could totally win sexiest man alive.
Dude straight up.
Favorite part is when he kept knocking people out.

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You know what?
The guy that pissed on Eddie's shoes.
He deserved that.
He did.
He absolutely did.
Did someone, I listened to one show and someone pointed out that they had a problem with that
scene.
They're just like, Venom's supposed to be able to turn into any outfit that, that, uh,
Eddie wants and blah, blah, blah.
I'm like, shut up.
Like it was supposed to be fun.

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Yeah.
In the comics, like, yeah, he, like Eddie can like walk around and it's supposed to
be like part of his suit or like, Oh, um,
Spiderman does it.
Like when he has the symbiote, like he, he uses the symbiote to like transform or like
become his clothes.
I mean, but in the movie's defense, like even in one or two, that's never established.

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Yeah.
So it was such a, a bullshit complaint.
Yeah.
I'm going to give, I'm not even going to like freaking knock the movie for that.
I think it deserves a pass when it didn't even talk about that.
I know.
The only reason I brought it up is cause like that dude didn't give it a pass.
He's like, yeah, that's bullshit.
And I'm like, dude, you're so dumb.
Yeah, that is so dumb.

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Yeah.
Like you can't judge a movie, like movies like these, you can, you can judge off of
the characterization.
Like if you want to complain about how a character's not like the character in the comics have
at it, like that is, that's a very valid complaint.

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So if you're complaining about a minor power and like, or something like that, like, no,
like you, that's, that's a completely invalid.
Like it's creative choice.
Yeah.
Like there are some things like, yeah, you don't want to get the characterizations wrong.

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Like you want your characters to feel how they do from the comics.
And I feel they nail that pretty good.
Like Venom has the same vibe from like comics.
Like he's a goofy, but intimidating character.
And I feel like that's exactly who this Venom is.
Goofy but intimidating.
And I think they added a little bit more depth to him and making him a little bit more heartfelt.

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Like make, making those comments and just wishing for the quiet life with like living
with Eddie in, in New York and seeing Lady Liberty and all these other like fun moments
that obviously he didn't end up getting to experience.

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Yeah.
And then his final sacrifice, dude, it was so drawn out to the point where it was almost
painful to watch.
Dude, like seriously.
And like, yeah, I mean, this is more so writing, but yeah, his line, I won't forget you and
don't you forget me.
You're just like, oh damn.

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Yeah.
And even like with the, like covering Eddie in the, in the door.
So he's protected from the acid when he goes to like break the, the canisters.
I was like, especially when like Eddie is like reaching for the, the Symbiote arm, like,
you know, like one last like touch with it, but it goes past him and grabs his own door.

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I'm just like, oh man.
Dude, heartbreaking.
Absolutely heartbreaking.
Yeah.
Taking this off, are you sitting with story, dude?
Like me and Caleb both agree.
This is definitely not only the best movie of the three, but the best story because you

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actually get a movie where it's focused on, I mean, you know, the other two are focused
on Eddie and, and Vanna, but I feel like the, like Caleb pointed out, this one is where
you can truly buy the, like there's been a friendship that is bonded or is that, that
is formed over this past year that they have been connected.

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And it's really cool seeing that in this movie.
And by the end, when unfortunately Venom and Eddie have to go their separate ways, you
actually, you feel bad.
Like it actually brings you to tears or at least it did with us seeing these two separate.
And so for a final movie in a, in a trilogy, I think that the story did a really good job

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concluding not only each of these characters stories, but also the bond that these two
characters shared.
So story I'm thinking, sorry, my like scroll thing, my scroll is being stupid.

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Why won't you let me scroll?
There you go.
I think story I'm a bit like an 86.
Yeah.
I'm actually a few points higher.
I'm just below a 90 sitting at an 89.
Hell yeah.
I had a great time with this story.
It was really well paced.

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It had a few, a couple slow moments, but I think they were made up with either a comedic
bit or just a heartfelt dialogue.
Yeah.
Completely, completely get that.
All right.
Moving on over to writing.
This is pretty on par.
I'd say a little lower for me personally.

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Yeah, I can agree with that.
Yeah.
Like just jumping ahead.
I'm going down a couple points to an 87 just because I feel like some of the dialogue was
a little goofy at times.
And then I also kind of wanted to dock for a lot of the stuff that what's her face pain

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was saying.
Like her, like I said, her character just didn't feel super necessary.
At least as much, maybe the character, yes, the backstory, no.
Like I don't think we needed that much backstory.
And if like, let's say this does lead into her own franchise as a symbiote, we needed

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more.
We needed something to better solidify that setup.
This felt very like one and done.
Yeah, I definitely agree.
Yeah, for me, I think I'm also a little lower than my story.
I think I'm going to be at an 80, I think I'm going to be at an 83.

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Still like, you know, the writing is still good.
But yeah, I definitely agree with what Caleb said about Payne's character.
And honestly, I would add the writing, even though we talked about earlier, the writing
for Mulligan's character, like kind of just like, I understand why they brought him back
for the third one.

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It makes sense.
But just there were moments that I'm just like, he feels so wasted.
He does.
His symbiote was sick though.
Yes, his symbiote was badass.
Yeah, like when he was all symbioted up, like that was the bomb.
And I think the reason it didn't drop too far, like I said, only a couple points, was

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because of Null.
Null's dialogue was freaking sick.
Yeah, that was pretty badass.
Like it was pretty, like it was outstanding.
Like it was definitely like one of those things where it just like sits with you.
Like, all right, like I'm here for it.
Like you've established yourself as an intimidating enough character, especially with all the,

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like these symbiotes who seemingly have like unstoppable power are afraid of you.
And I'm like, all right.
Yeah.
But yeah, other than that, like the comedy hits, the everything else hits exactly how
it's supposed to.
Yeah, agreed.

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Yeah.
All right, moving on over to acting.
Going through this cast list real quick.
We got Tom Hardy, who played Eddie Brock and Venom's voice.
We got, oh geez, Chewetel Ishafor, who played-

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I'm pretty sure you said that right.
Yeah, who played Strickland.
We got Juno Temple, who plays Dr. Teddy Payne.
What is she from?
I swear I recognize her face.
Let's find out.
Yeah, look that up while I go through the rest of these.

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Yeah.
We got Clark Bako, who plays Sadie.
This was Christmas, right?
Wait, sorry.
I gotta-
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
Cool.
Cool.
We got Alex, who plays Martin, the hippie that picks Eddie Brock up.

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Alana Ubach, who plays Nova.
Hala Finley, who plays Echo.
Dash McCloud, who plays Leaf.
Steven Graham, who plays Detective Mulligan.
Peggy Liu, who plays Mrs. Chen.
Dude, she straight up looks like a CEO in this picture of her.

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Yeah, right?
This looks like he's taken from a web-based employee website.
She doesn't really have a lot of the pictures online.
That's surprising.
Right?
Yeah, and that is it.

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Do you watch, what was it, Ted Lasso?
Oh my gosh.
That's it.
Yep, I know exactly who she is.
Yep.
Dude, that was pissing me off so bad, and I saw a clip of her in that today.
Gosh, I'm so dumb.

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Anyway, top three?
Number one, obviously Tom Hardy.
Once again, fantastic job in this role.
I loved him in the first one, I loved him in the second one, and I loved him even more
in this one.

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I don't think anybody else could play Eddie Brock as well as he does.
No offense.
Shit, who played him in Spider-Man 3?
Topher Grace.
Topher Grace, thank you.
With what he was given, I feel like he did a decent job, but Tom Hardy, he actually portrays
Eddie Brock as he should.

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I'm agreeing with you.
He does make the best Eddie Brock.
Topher Grace though, I don't think he got a fair shot.
Oh, I absolutely agree.
His characterization of Eddie Brock was pretty spot on, and I think given better material,
I think he could have really ran with it.

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Yeah.
It's unfortunate he got done so dirty.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
I think he would have made a great Venom.
Continuation of Venom.
Everyone's theorizing how this is going to tie into future Spider-Man projects.

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I was sitting there thinking, I'm like, man, they really screwed the pooch with some of
their casting.
You can't really throw this Venom in.
What they've created is an independent Venom universe.

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You can't claim that this is part of the Spider-Verse.
You can't claim that this is part of the MCU.
I think what they screwed the pooch on directly was casting the guy who played Lizard in Amazing

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Spider-Man as Martin in this.
I think if they wouldn't have cast him, what you could have done, that would have made
you a shit ton of money.
I would have loved to see this Venomverse connect to Garfields.

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Finally give us Amazing Spider-Man 3.
How cool would that be?
That would have been awesome.
I was thinking once they got to New York that there was going to be a Spider-Person there.
I was like, oh, is that for kids, Spider-Man?
No.
Obviously, that didn't end up happening.

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Anyway, I guess Venom is just the anchor being for that universe.
The Venomverse is straight up going to die.
Yeah, that's true.
I totally agree with you, Tom Hardy, numero uno.

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Honestly, I'd almost give him one and two for both Eddie and Venom.
Can I cheat and say that?
I'm just kidding.
Yeah, I know how the rest of the cast is.
I am fully endorsing cheating this round.
Okay, cool.

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Number one, Tom Hardy, and then number two, Tom Hardy playing Venom.
Number three, I would give to...shit, what's his name that was the lizard?
Ree Siphons.
Ree Siphons.
Yeah, I loved him in this movie.
His whole family is great, but he's definitely the standout out of all of them.

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Yeah, he was just great every single time that he was on screen.
Even the very moment that him and Eddie have that interaction about aliens and how there's
good and bad ones and just Eddie ex-Venom looking at the place.
Just like, oh, hell no, and just tosses it.

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That was great.
Yeah, no, he was fantastic.
Whole family was, but Ryze, just Ryze, right?
Yeah, Ryze or Reece or whatever you want to call him.
Okay, just edges out his family just a little bit.
So yeah, that's my top three.
This is going to be a chore.

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You know what?
I'll give number three to Juno Temple.
She was a very, very interesting character and someone that I feel like if they would
have set up properly, I think has a very big potential for very fun and interesting symbiote

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movies.
With how nice and peppy and cheery she is, being almost corrupted by a symbiote, I think
could make for some prime time viewing.
But she wasn't set up properly and they gave us some bullshit backstory at the beginning

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that felt completely unnecessary other than once you see that she's struck by lightning
or whatever.
And like I said, felt a little unnecessary.
I agree.
But I enjoyed her performance enough to be interested in seeing anything including her

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later down the line.
If she's the the Sibia that we follow, which I'm assuming we do.
Yeah, that would make the most sense.
Yeah, like a buddy cop with her and and Christmas would be pretty fun.
It would be.
Yeah.

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But I think I don't remember, does she keep her symbiote?
No, she doesn't.
It gets eaten.
But that's right.
So she's the only one with a symbiote.
Yeah.
OK, so let's say retcon that.
But I guess we'll find out what Sony has planned after Craven the Hunter.

(01:31:06):
Oh, man.
I don't think that they've announced any other Marvel projects, have they?
I mean, besides beyond the Spiderverse.
Yeah.
Craven's the the final villain.
Like villain based movie.
So, huh, dude, I hope Craven's good.

(01:31:30):
I I truly hope that that it's I I do too, man.
I really do, but the fact that the only good movies out of these Sony Spider-Man movies
have been the Venom movies and even they're not top tier.
Yeah, they're just good.

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They're not great.
I'm not holding my breath for a crime.
That's super disappointing.
Gosh, dude.
And they freaking spoil like ruin like a bunch of villains that they could have included
in the new Tom Holland movies like, you know, you can't freaking have venom or you can't

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have Tom Hardy's venom in there.
So if they do like do a symbiote storyline like you, you can't have like our venom.
You can't have Craven.
You can't have freaking Morbius and all of them have freaking bitch and storylines that

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connect to Spider-Man.
And then you can't like and then I don't feel like you can really include like you already
used up Mysterio and Vulture.
Yeah, I don't feel like you can you can use Green Goblin and Doc Ock.
No.
Like you have literally nerfed any potential like storyline with Spider-Man and like villains.

(01:33:01):
Yeah, like seriously.
Like deadass dude.
Like I can't think of another one off the like at least not quickly off the top of my
head that isn't Green Goblin, Doc Ock.
Oh, Lizard.
You can't use Lizard.
No.
Oh, gosh.
Who the hell could you use?

(01:33:21):
Could you use Goblin?
Yeah, I was saying.
But even that's like that like we know what you're doing.
Like we know what you're doing.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Oh, goodness.
They shot themselves in the foot.
They really did.
Maybe freaking Chameleon.

(01:33:43):
How about Scorpion?
Okay.
I mean, yeah, you've you've used Scorpion.
You could use.
Scorpion Chameleon.
I don't know if you could do anything with freaking Scorpion.
That's longer than one movie.
Yeah, dude.
Freaking I still hate that that end credits scene went nowhere.

(01:34:06):
Yeah, because that is one of my favorite MCU end credits scenes and I'm still peeved that
it didn't go anywhere.
Yeah, same here.
Anyway, where are you sitting with acting?
You know, just because no offense to everybody else, Tom Hardy kind of carries this movie.

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It does.
And you know what?
I'm just going to say it right now.
You know how like a lot of people say, you know, Jennifer Aniston ages like a fine wine.
I think Tom Hardy ages like a fine wine because he got harder, hotter with each movie.
Like damn, it's all I'm going to say.
But yeah, so like the other cast was decent.

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But I mean, we come to these movies to see Eddie Brock and Venom and Tom Hardy did great.
It's just everybody else that was just like they were decent.
They were OK.
So I think acting, I think I'm going to be at 88.
I am actually lower than you on this one.
I'm sitting at 84.
Holy shit.
OK, like, listen, it's a but it's still above average.

(01:35:13):
Yeah, that's true.
But this movie cannot be completely carried by Tom Hardy.
Fair.
No matter how attractive he is.
Yeah.
All right.
Moving on over to character development.
This is hard to do off of one movie alone.

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It is.
There's nothing where you have to put into put into put it was it put into fact or no.
That's not the word.
I don't know.
You have to look at all three.
There we go.
Yeah.
Let's go.
And I think this was a good a good conclusion to the to the storyline.

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This like established Eddie and Venom as like as a bonded unit like they they're the most
bonded unit, obviously, because they have the frickin what's it called?
I was about to say matrix, the codex.
I thought the same shit when they first said that.

(01:36:20):
I'm just like getting like matrix up in here.
Yeah.
So you got the like the codex like with them and like, yeah, like that's super interesting
and fun and whatnot.
But it's how they go like they go about like, OK, we need to like escape the situation that

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we're in.
We're heading here.
And then they just get completely sidetracked because of these extraterrestrials like tracking
them and hunting them down, which do for for the I'll say this.
There's a big plot hole or just like maybe a miss wording here.

(01:37:06):
The fact that Venom calls them the symbiote hunters, but they can't find them when they're
not in full symbiote form.
Kind of bullshit.
Yeah.
Because you think that with you know, when Venom will just have like literally just I
don't know what to say, like a bit of his body and then his head popping out of the

(01:37:27):
back of Eddie Brock, they should be able to pick up something from that.
Right.
I know.
At least like a general direction.
Yeah.
Oh, no, they they can't see shit or detect shit when I'm just like this.
I'm like, OK, yeah.
No.
Like I would get, you know, like when you're just talking to him in his body, like you're
not nowhere to be seen completely get that.

(01:37:49):
But yeah, when you're like showcasing yourself even just a little bit.
No, they should be able to frickin track at least some of that.
Yeah.
I'm like, where's that line then?
Like could you go full like Venom and just not do the the the face?
You know, like literally how they'll they'll do like his like the Venom face will like

(01:38:15):
split to like Tom, not Tom Hardy.
Sorry.
Eddie Brock's face.
Would that count as like not being full symbiote?
In my eyes, yes, that would count as not not full symbiote.
But who knows what these frickin rules like like is it only when that when like because

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it's on their neck, like is it only when their spine is completely covered in symbiote?
Because like you can get around that.
OK, really quickly.
And I think this goes sorry, this I think this goes into writing, but I want your opinion.
OK, so in this at the beginning of this movie, when they're in like that dog fighting place,
they have the whole altercation where Eddie Brock's is Eddie Brock.

(01:39:00):
Eddie is just like we are any venom just keeps going like we're back on shit like that.
It keeps going back and forth.
He's like, we're going to need to work on that.
I swear in the first one at the end, they do the same thing, but they actually get it
right.
Like, yes, together.
They're just like, we are venom.
So why is it like they f it up in this third one?

(01:39:21):
One for humor.
Yeah, for one, for humor's sake.
And two, maybe just venom's too excited.
All right.
Venom just got a little too cocky.
Yeah, like that.
That was my justification for it that he's just too too peppy and cheery about it.

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He's like, yeah.
All right.
I'll give you that.
Like especially after like a bad ass fight like that.
Yeah, that's true.
But yeah, like I feel like they're a bit more.
I don't know.
But anyway, the the connection between them is I think I'm going to like this is maybe

(01:40:05):
where the movie is a little bit weaker, in my opinion, with character development, because
we've seen them develop to this point, and then I don't feel like it necessarily took
it anywhere too extraordinary, other than venom being like, ready to sacrifice himself
for the sake of the planet.

(01:40:27):
Yeah, no, that's completely fair.
Like, yeah, like, you know, this opens right after the second one.
And like, honestly, throughout, from the way that we see their relationship and in the
second one, and then once we with this one, and then all the way to the end, it feels
like it's kind of at a standstill with character development, not saying that's a bad thing,

(01:40:50):
but they're they definitely don't progress from where we ended them with venom, let there
be carnage.
And once we get to venom sacrificing himself at the end, and they it's not a horrible thing
because, you know, we know that how close they are by the end of let there be carnage

(01:41:12):
and it's expanded on in this one.
But I definitely see where you're coming from, where we don't get really much character development
from either Eddie or venom.
Yeah, I think the most growth that they have is between the art is the second movie.

(01:41:33):
Like, this one is still like it's above average, like, don't get me wrong.
Like, it's, it's just not like super strong above that line.
Like, I probably sit like an 80 with this, because the sacrifice that venom makes for
the sake of the planet, after coming and being like, more or less, expressed it like this

(01:41:57):
is an invasion, and him completely changing his tune about it.
And then, so much so to the point where he's he's giving up his future on this planet,
for the sake of the planet, like is it's like, it was it's good arc.

(01:42:17):
It's a it's a really good arc.
It's just I don't know if they they played with it as well as they could have in here.
Yeah.
You know what I think I'm gonna match there.
Absolutely agree with everything that she said.
All right, moving on over to effects.
These were, I feel just as good as the previous two.

(01:42:39):
I would agree.
The action was awesome.
Everything looked good.
The symbiotes do have like a rubbery vibe about them, just because they're being there
symbiotes.
Yeah, so they're like fully CG.
Yeah, fully CG characters.
Like you kind of have to get that rubbery vibe about them.

(01:43:00):
Yeah.
But other than that, like I no real complaints.
I think even the like they even improved on like Venom coming out as the head.
Yeah, that looks even better compared to the first one.
Yeah.
So kudos to them.

(01:43:22):
Yeah.
Honestly, I feel like the kid from the hippie family should have freaked out a little bit
more at the side of Venom.
Yeah.
Like I was like, oh shit, oh shit, because he didn't come out slow.
He's like, and I was like, you're gonna give me the kid nightmares venom.
Even though Eddie says, oh, aliens do exist and you know, my best friend is an alien.

(01:43:49):
Not exactly a great way to persuade a kid to be like, oh yeah, aliens are great.
They're not gonna harm me.
Yeah.
By having Venom just say, hey.
Yeah.
You're not a cute puppy Venom.
You're a terrifying monster with giant teeth and a mouth.
Exactly.

(01:44:09):
Oh, man.
And yeah, I thought that like the effects overall were a pretty decent improvement.
Three movies.
Uh, I'm not the highest because there's definitely some shit here that looked fake.
I'd probably go like 83.
Like, what are you thinking?

(01:44:30):
I think I'm like one above you at an 84.
All right.
Next up, we got music.
The soundtrack here is pretty good.
Yeah.
The frickin dancing queen while Venom and Mrs. Chen were grooving.
That was great.

(01:44:51):
Frickin the song that they chose when Eddie's remembering Venom.
Like at first I'm just like, I think you maybe could have picked a better song, but you know,
like as the montage went on, I'm just like, okay, you know what, actually this does fit
well.
Um, I really liked that.
And then frickin the one last dance song at the end credits that that song frickin went

(01:45:15):
hard.
Love that.
Um, and then also, like when it started playing, I'm just like a frickin course.
Like it works and it makes sense.
But I'm just like a frickin course.
The, um, the I had some help.
It ain't like I can do this kind of stuff by myself.
That that Post Malone song.
Um, it frickin I forget what it's called.

(01:45:39):
Yeah.
I know the song you're talking about.
I don't remember that the name of that.
I think it's called I had some help.
Yeah, I had some help.
Yeah.
So I'm just like, it works.
So I'm just like a frickin course.
They're going to put that in the end credits.
Yeah.
Uh, honestly, I think this was good enough to reach eight status.

(01:46:02):
Do you think of the same thing?
Yeah.
Like, I think it had enough, like good bangers that fit the tone of the scene.
Like dancing queen, dude.
Like that, that's my frickin jam.
Oh yeah.
Same here.
As much as I hate to admit it, like, yeah, that, like that shit frickin hits hard.

(01:46:23):
I love it.
They total side note.
I've had such a weird music year.
Like listening year, my Spotify rap this year will live and die with me.
I am so not excited for when those start rolling out.
What you're saying is I got to get Brielle to sneak me some screenshots.

(01:46:47):
Got it.
I will have to murder you.
Like I wish I were joking, dude.
Freaking you think yours is bad.
You should have seen my top listen to one last year.
I'm not proud of it.
I'm really not.
Mine wasn't great either.
But dude, I've had, I had months this year, like just, just to give you a little hint

(01:47:16):
at what my, there was like a couple months where I was listening to nothing but frickin
like Celine Dion and the cats soundtrack.
I love it.
I love it.
I seriously was sitting there like hating myself.
I'm just like, what are you doing, Caleb?

(01:47:38):
Like I would sit there and just like completely rocking out, like blasting that shit.
I'm like, I don't even know what you're doing right now, dude.
Like could you not be this way?
And then I try listening to like my normal shit and I'm just like, I was itching.
I know.
Like I'm like, damn it.

(01:47:58):
Oh shit, dude.
This is amazing.
Oh my God.
Oh, but yeah, this, this year's going to be so much like I'm going to hate myself.
This year's Spotify wrapped, like I'll share my podcast listens cause I'm not embarrassed
by those in the slightest.

(01:48:20):
The frick, my frickin music lives and dies with me at least this year.
Oh shit.
All right.
All right.
All right.
Moving on over to costumes, which this could also like tie in the character design with
some of the symbiotes and, and whatnot.

(01:48:40):
Eddie and venom consistently look great.
Yes, absolutely.
The new symbiotes, big fan.
Yeah, I agree.
Like you brought up earlier, especially a officer Mulligan's his looked so bad ass.
Oh, so cool.

(01:49:02):
Like it almost gave like the vibe that he should be in like a forest.
Like he was like, he was just like a forest demon or something like it.
So cool.
So cool.
I don't know why, but I don't love symbiotes that have like the fricking like hair going
on in the hair scufy.

(01:49:22):
Yeah.
I like it.
Yeah.
Also, should be bald.
Yeah, straight up.
Which one was your favorite symbiote?
It was actually the one that takes over for, I don't know if he was like the security guard
or whatever, but like the, he, I think it was like the first guy that took got taken

(01:49:43):
over by a symbiote because he gets stabbed, but it's like, like the Brown, like bulky
symbiote.
Dude, same here.
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
I freaking loved him.
He looked so when he died, I was like, damn.
Yeah.
God damn it.
Yeah.
Uh, I also really liked the, the white one or like, oh yeah.

(01:50:05):
He looks super cool.
Like, like, yeah, all like kind of gave some like symbiote Slenderman vibes.
Didn't, didn't like to combine and like become twins for a second.
That was dope.
Okay.
Yeah, they just like, they like looked at each other and he's like, yeah.
And then they like charged and dove in.
I was like, all right.

(01:50:28):
Probably not the most effective use of having two symbiotes, but fair, like cool enough.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then, uh, Christmas is symbiote look pretty sick too.
Yeah.
I really liked hers.
Yeah.
But I don't know if any of those are just like, are super outstanding.

(01:50:49):
This is where I'm tough.
I'm, I'm between an eight and a nine.
I know personally, I would be at a nine.
Sorry.
Personally, I'm in an eight.
At an eight.
Yeah.
It's a strong eight.
Yeah.
Like I said, I'd probably be at like an eight and a half, but yeah, always, we always round
down from there.
Yeah.

(01:51:10):
Yeah.
All right.
Last up, we got personal score.
Who's going first?
Up to you.
I want to hear your reaction first.
If you're cool with that or first.
Yeah.
So I, I've seen this twice once without the, well, I can't say without once without having
seen the first two in a long while.

(01:51:33):
And then the second time right after watching the first two.
And I got to say they are pretty consistent in quality in terms of action.
It's the story is just, is the biggest divide between these.
If I had to put these in order, three would be my favorite.

(01:51:53):
Then it'd be one and then two.
And that's just because story or the two's story wasn't super great.
But I had a great time with this one.
It was well written.
Yeah.
Well written.
It was fun.
It was kind of everything I wanted this movie to be, honestly.

(01:52:17):
Like I wanted this to be on the same level and improve upon two.
And it did like full heartedly.
And like I said, the action was sick.
There weren't any action beats in here that were wasted.
Like everything looked really, really good.

(01:52:38):
And yeah, came out of it having a really good time and emotionally connected with me.
Like didn't get me like weeping or anything, but it definitely like tugged at my heartstrings
a bit.
So honestly, I'd probably put this maybe an 86.

(01:53:01):
Like it's it's up there.
It's up there for me and one that I definitely plan on re-exploring.
Like doing like a full re-watch of the of the trilogy and whatnot.
Like I enjoyed this a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah, honestly, I agree with everything that Caleb said.

(01:53:24):
The Venom movies are consistently good, I feel.
I mean, the second one is definitely the worst out of the three.
And I'm the same order with Caleb 312 when it comes to an order that you like these movies.
But like, yeah, like for the most part, I feel like these movies are consistently good.
They're not great.

(01:53:45):
They're not great comic book films, but you come to them to have a good time.
You come to watch Venom just be Venom and watch fricking poor Eddie Brock have to deal
with Venom.
And that's always I feel like one of the funnest parts of these films is just their relationship,
their banter.

(01:54:05):
It's fantastic.
And once again, Tom Hardy was fantastic in this role.
He didn't miss a beat.
This is I feel is the best performance out of the three.
Just yeah, it's a solid cap off to a trilogy.
Like, yeah, I do have some problems like Caleb did, but I'm happy with the end result.

(01:54:32):
And yeah, I had a good time with Venom the Last Dance.
So I'm just going to be slightly below Caleb at an 84.
Hell yeah.
Did my personal score submit?
Nope, but I'll fix that.
Okay, that was weird.
Thank you.
All right, going through these categories real quick, starting off with story, we ended

(01:54:57):
up averaging out to an 87.5.
Writing is sitting at an 85.
Acting is sitting a little bit above at an 86.
Character development was the weakest category sitting at an 80.
The effects are sitting at an 83.5.

(01:55:20):
Make and costumes both sitting at an eight out of 10.
And then our personal score ended up averaging out to an 85.
So with that, the final Albreos letter grade for Venom the Last Dance has come out to a,
a B.
All right.

(01:55:41):
Hell yeah.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Here, let me.
All right.
Let's find out where this is sitting.
All right.
Venom the Last Dance, like I said, is sitting at a B. It's, it's a mid B for sure.
So our B it's between an 86% and an 83%.

(01:56:08):
And this is sitting at an 84.6% or 0.62.
Not bad.
Yeah.
So that actually are so sitting where are showing where that that's sitting in our ranking
that is sitting below the matrix resurrections.

(01:56:29):
Okay.
The Hunger Games, the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes.
It is below Megan.
Okay.
It is below the Little Mermaid remake.
Wow.
Okay.
Yeah.
That one's surprising.

(01:56:49):
And then it is below Hocus Pocus.
Okay.
I can buy that.
Yeah.
And then it is sitting above Christopher Robin.
Oh damn.
Yeah.
It is above Spider-Man 3.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's fair.
It is above Prey.

(01:57:11):
Yeah.
I agree with that.
It is above Joker Follyadoo.
It kills a little bit, but that's okay.
That's above it.
Wait, you said that you said Venom's above it, right?
Yeah.
Venom's above Joker.
Yeah.
That kind of stings a little bit, but that's okay.
Oh, all right.

(01:57:32):
Come on, man.
You know how much I loved Joker Follyadoo.
Yeah.
And then finally, it is above Avengers Age of Ultron.
Wow.
Okay.
Damn.
Yeah.
And in comparison to the other Venom movies, it is sitting above both of them.

(01:57:55):
Okay.
Good.
But damn, we gave Venom a C. Really?
Yeah.
Damn, we're mean.
Yeah, we were.
Shit.
It deserves at least a B minus.
We may need to re-explore that one because we have Let There Be Carnage at a C plus.
Oh, yeah.
We definitely got a...

(01:58:15):
Yeah, something got jacked up there.
Yeah.
But yeah, so our All Bros ranking as it sits right now is The Last Dance, Let There Be
Carnage, and then Venom.
Wow.
Okay.
Yeah, I don't know if I agree with that.
Yeah, because it's like, you know, like off the top of my head, I would say with Venom

(01:58:37):
Last Dance getting a B, Venom deserves a B minus and then Last Carnage, I guess, a C
plus.
Yeah.
Or at least a...
Like, it'd end up being a super high C plus if it was in the C plus range.
Yeah.
But that is one of those movies that got graded by outside sources, so...

(01:59:01):
That explains it.
Yep.
But anyway, so that's where it's sitting.
All right.
Well, unless you got anything else you want to say about The Last Dance or Venom Last
Dance?
Do not.
Okay.
Well, if you liked what you listened to on this episode and want to hear more, be sure
to watch, wow.

(01:59:22):
Listen to...
God damn it.
Subscribe to us wherever you listen to podcasts.
We are damn near everywhere.
Spotify, Google Podcasts, iTunes.
Is it iTunes Podcast?
Apple Podcasts.
Apple Podcasts.
God damn it.
How do I forget that?
I'm a freaking iPhone user.
What the hell is wrong with me?

(01:59:45):
Whatever.
Yeah.
Literally, you can find us anywhere.
If you want to check out our social media where we post many reviews, stuff like that,
you can...
God, I'm really effing this one up.
No.
Shit, dude.
You can find us.
Geez, Louise.
You can find us at Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok.

(02:00:11):
I think that's it.
Did I miss one?
Yep.
Okay, cool.
If you just search at the All Bros, you can...
It's the All Bros right now, just All Bros?
What?
For social media.
Yeah, it's at the All Bros.
It's right there in the freaking corner, Rose.

(02:00:33):
I'm sorry, man.
I'm losing it this episode.
Come use your Slack, man.
Yeah, it's in the corner if you're watching the video, which Rose is staring right at
it.
And Caleb is being an asshole.
No offense.
Oh, shit.
Where's my finger going?

(02:00:54):
Pay attention.
There you go.
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(02:01:21):
Next week on the podcast, we will be breaking down The Wild Robot, which super solid animated
film.
We're excited to talk about this one.
Yeah, super excited for that one.
But until the fun is wrong with me.
But yeah, you can look forward to that next week.

(02:01:42):
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