Ep. 344: Wicked Breakdown

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What is up bros, I'm Jonathan.

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And I'm Caleb.
And we're a couple of bros on a mission to give you guys the most detailed movie reviews
out there with as little bias as possible.
Welcome to the all bros.
This week on the podcast, did I just say pod cost?
pod cost.
On the pod cast.

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We'll be talking about some weekly watch that me and Caleb did.
Mostly me, no offense, Caleb.
No, I get it.
Dude, I've been watching a lot of shows lately.
Actually I've been watching, I've been watching Doctor Who and everything.

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How many freaking seasons are Doctor Who?
So many.
Okay.
But are you straight up starting from the beginning or like just going to like either
the Matt Smith, David Tennant, stuff like that?
So I started off with Christopher Eccleston.
Okay.
And then that went into David Tennant and obviously then Matt Smith, Peter Capaldi.

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Peter Capaldi might be my favorite doctor.
I have heard that he does have a lot of fans.
Oh dude, he's so good.
Like his, the dialogue that he has in some of his episodes is just out of this world.
And like don't get me wrong.
David Tennant had his moments.

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Matt Smith definitely had his too.
I think like Matt Smith's doctor, it was like, was very emotional.
And David Tennant's was just very like erratic.
And then Peter, like there's just something about Peter Capaldi that's just very like

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calm, like down to earth and just mellow.
Like he has this crazy moments, like don't get me wrong, but his method of being the
doctor is just like out of this world.
And then I'm currently on the newest doctor, Jodie Whittaker.
Okay.

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And I dig her.
She's different from like anyone else that's played the doctor, but I like her iteration.
Yeah.
So I'm currently on her.
I'm on, I'm almost done with her first season.
I think she only did two seasons and then she regenerates to David Tennant again.

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And then David Tennant does a couple specials and then turns into like the newest person
that's playing the doctor, which I don't know the name off at the top of his, my head.
But so I only got, I want to say like three or four episodes of this first season of hers,
all of the second season and then the four or so specials, but I've been knocking them

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out like crazy.
So I doubt it'll take me that long.
Maybe like a week or two, like I'll probably be done by the new year.
Hell yeah.
I love it.
And then after that I got a bunch of other shows I need to catch up on.
Have you, cause you, you watched all of young Sheldon, didn't you?

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Yes.
Have you checked out Georgia Mandy's first marriage?
I have not yet.
I am actually waiting for like the whole season to come out and I'm just going to binge it
all.
That's it.
Yeah.
It sucks that it doesn't come.
Uh, the full season doesn't finish until the new year.
They, they took a break with it for the holidays.
Of course they did.

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Freaking assholes.
Right.
I've been seeing clips and stuff of it, but it, it looks like it's, it's good.
Yeah.
No, yeah.
I've heard it's on the levels of young Sheldon.
So that makes me happy.
Good.
It is weird to set like for them to have switched to a sitcom.
Yeah.

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Especially since they're incorporating some of the cast, like they fricking had an episode
with me, ma and every, yeah.
I've seen clips with me, ma, uh, Mary and Missy like, yeah, it's, it's weird.
It is so weird.
I think that's what's more, the most intriguing about that show is just watching the shift

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from like a single cam to multi, uh, sitcom style.
Like what?
Um, it's, I'm not sure if you've ever seen it on Netflix.
Uh, Kevin can F himself.
I've heard of it, but I haven't watched it.

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It, they, it, so they do that, that kind of style where it switches between a single,
like, uh, like drama filled show.
And then as soon like it's, so it's centered around this one guy, Kevin, and anytime he
enters the room, it switches to like sitcom style.

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And then as soon as he leaves, it shifts back to like that drama style.
That's funny.
Dude, it's crazy, but it's like, it's crazy cause like they'll come in.
And it's like kind of happy, cheery.
And then as soon as they leave, you see like kind of what's leftover.

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Like he has this whole thing where he breaks like the, the, the living room table.
And then like, does this like super hack job of fixing it up with like duct tape and whatnot.
And so he shows it off and he's like super proud of it.
And then he's like, I'm going to go get a beer.
And then he like leaves the room and then you kind of hear him in the kitchen, like

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kind of like fumbling around with like the fridge and whatnot.
And then you see like his wife who's, she's kind of like the focus of the show.
You see her just kind of like staring at this table and how busted up it looks, but it's
in that dramatic lighting.
So the lighting is like, is super shitty and everything.

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And it's, it's the tone, dude.
The tone is so crazy.
But I love what they did.
It's awesome.
So I need to finish that.
I think I said, I need to finish Cobra Kai.
I was waiting for this, the part two of the final season to come out.
So now that that's out, I'm like finally needing to watch that.

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Like I have so much TV to watch, dude.
Yeah, dude.
Damn.
Holy shit.
Yeah, dude.
What makes it so hard is like none of it's fricking kid friendly.
Of course not.
Yeah.
But I've been doing that and I've been playing a lot of Xbox lately.

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My daughter's been obsessed with the Lego games.
So I had a fun, I had a proud uncle moment when Caleb told me, so we're recording this
on the 3rd of December.
He told me yesterday at the second that when they got to, I think they were playing a level
with Hawkeye, when Caleb told her, reminded her that Hawkeye is Uncle Rose's favorite,

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she would not let him play as him.
He's like, no, I want to be Hawkeye.
Yeah.
She's so adorable.
She recognized him from the Avengers movie because we watched the Avengers movie.
Oh, okay.
And so she recognized him like, oh, it's the bow and arrow guy.

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And I was like, yeah, it's the bow and arrow guy.
Like you know what his name is?
It's Hawkeye.
And she's like, oh, cool.
And then yeah, like then we started playing.
I used that moment and kind of was like, oh, you know, game would be really good for her
is Lego Marvel.
So we're playing the first one, which is just, it's still super fun game.

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Yeah.
But yeah, we've been doing that.
And I've been unlocking different characters for her.
She's going through playing as them and she like, dude, she's so good.
Like she picked up that game so quick.
That's awesome.
Love that.
Yeah, but she, but yeah, we were doing that mission with Hawkeye and Black Widow and it

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made me Hawkeye made her Black Widow.
And she's just like, I think it was because I was doing more stuff initially because like
you need Hawkeye to like blow up like the silver bricks and stuff and all that.
So I think he was doing more exciting things in her brain and cause like all Black Widow

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does is like turn invisible, shoot guns.
And so she was just like, like, who are you playing as?
And I was like, that's Hawkeye.
You remember bow and arrow guy from Avengers.
And she's like, Oh yeah.
And then she, yeah, then the, I, I told her like, yeah, that's uncle Rose's favorite.

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And she's like, it is.
And she's like, I'm like, yeah.
And she's like, I want to be Hawkeye.
I'm like, why?
And she's like, because he's my favorite.
I'm like, since when?
And she's like, since now I want to be Hawkeye.
And I was like, okay.
So I made her drop out.

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I switched to Black Widow and then she joined, played as Hawkeye.
Like she was so demanding, dude.
Oh, she, this is a very proud uncle moment right here.
Yeah.
But dude, she is so good at those Lego games.
Like she picked up some of the puzzles without me even telling her.

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Dude, freaking that, that is awesome because I will fully admit there were some times with
those that I had to look up how to get through those puzzles.
Cause I'm not that great at video games.
I will fully admit that.
Yeah, dude, she's, she's killing it.
She is killing it.
That is awesome.

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The one that I was super impressed with is, um, there was a, like a memory sequence.
So like it was a thing that Hawkeye was doing where he, he had to do something in a certain
pattern.
It was only three, but it was like blue, yellow, red.
And it was like doing those tones and everything.

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And she like, she tried just doing it in a random order and it was a, and I was like,
Oh, you want my help?
And she's like, no, no, no, I got it.
And then she like blue, yellow, red, and then she like kind of highlighted over each one
and saw that they were all different colors.
And she's like, Oh, and then she's blue, yellow, red.

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And I was like, Oh hell yeah.
So like when I play with her, like we just fricking knock that shit out, dude.
Like it is so good.
Like it's not often that she gets stuck anytime she's gotten stuck on something.
It's because it's kind of like hidden.
Okay.
So it's like, I can't totally like blame her, but yeah, like she, she fricking kills it

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with those puzzles.
Damn, that's awesome.
Yeah, but I've also found out she likes playing as the bad guys too.
Like her favorite, like whenever we free roam, her favorite character to run around as is

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is Rhino.
I love it.
And I'm like, you know, Rhino is a bad guy, right?
And she's like, yeah.
Your point dad.
Yeah.
And I'm like, no reason.
So she, she likes to switch between Rhino, red Hulk and venom.

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Good choices.
Yeah.
And I'm like, shit.
Oh, I love it.
She's funny, dude.
She is so fricking funny.
Yeah.
And then she found out that we have a Lego super villains game and she just went nuts.

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Like wanted to create her own villain, like made sure that it was part of like the, like,
cause you could shoot like the orientation of them.
Like you could choose that.
Are they hero or are they villain?
And she's like, villain without hesitation.
Like it wasn't like, no, she's like villain.
I'm like, okay, cool.

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What team do you want to be a part of the Legion of doom?
I'm like, okay.
And then she gets mad at me for playing as superheroes.
Like I was running around as the flash and she's like, daddy.
I'm like, yes.
And she's like, is that a good guy?

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Yes.
No.
I'm like, what?
And she's like, no good guys.
And then she like, then I was like, okay.
So I switched to a, uh, like reverse flash and was running around and whatever.

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And she, she accidentally changed into a Superman and she's like paused for a second cause she
was playing, flying around and then she stopped and she's like, wait a minute.
And she saw a poster that Superman was on and that how you looked like super happy and
heroic and everything.
And she's like, daddy, who is this?

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And I looked, oh, that's Superman.
Is Superman a bad guy?
No.
Ew.
Switch to someone else.
I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm raising a villain.
Oh my gosh.

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This is amazing.
She like, she's fully embraced that, that, that world.
So we have, so we have two games going on, one Marvel superheroes and then the others,
uh, the super villains.
And so it's kind of whatever she's in the mood to, to do is which one we play.

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Cause sometimes she's like, oh, I want to play superheroes now.
Okay.
And then we switched to Marvel and then she's like, now I want to play bad guys.
Okay.
Then we switched to, to Lego DC.
Oh my gosh.
That is so adorable.
Dude, she's, she is a funny kid.
I freaking love her.

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But anyway, so that's why I haven't been watching movies and I've been lazy with my weekly
watch.
Dude, freaking understandable excuses and good excuses at that man.
Oh, I feel that I've been lame for actually watching a couple of movies.

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Um, yeah.
So we just got a couple to talk about with a weekly watches.
Um, and then we'll jump right into our headliner of the episode, which will be, uh, our review
of wicked.
Hell yes.
Yeah.
So what do you say we get started?
Say let's do it.

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All right.
This is failing Hollywood, uh, with me, Billy, um, grants and your host, Mikey T. Uh, we
work in film and it's terrible.
Um, and, uh, yeah, there's like strikes and stuff and then COVID and stuff.
I keep a toaster next to my bathtub.

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Yeah.
Cause we're, we work at props.
That's why that's why I'm not because I want to die.
I love those guys so much.
Yeah.
Um, but jumping right into weekly watches.
Uh, so I got three that I want to talk about.
I got a couple of them.

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I got three that I want to talk about.
Uh, excuse me.
Three that I want to talk about.
Uh, first one being, um, I decided to revisit this movie cause I haven't seen it in so long.

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The Sandlot.
Um, have you seen the Sandlot Caleb?
I have.
It has been a very hot minute, but yeah, I've seen it.
I've seen it.
Do you, do you like the Sandlot?
Yeah, I enjoy it.
Okay.
Listen, it's not.
I think I missed being the demographic for it, but I, I do really enjoy this movie.

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Honestly, dude, I did too.
I didn't watch this till early twenties.
Same.
Um, but still a really, really fun movie.
Um, just really gets, just takes you back to being a kid and, um, like those friendships
that, that, that you had that, you know, unfortunately the, some do end, thankfully.

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I think speaking with Caleb, my R stayed, which I'm very grateful for.
Um, but just, yeah, just watching these, the, the way that these kids interact with each
other is freaking hilarious because it really is how kids between like freaking eight, well,
I think they're like freaking like eight or 10 years old, I think.

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Like that's what they make sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, um, and fricking the one kid, uh, Smalls, how he wants to be so involved with them that
like literally he goes to the Sandlot and just stands in the back.
Um, just like being like, Oh, Hey, you know, like they don't know that I'm here.
I don't think they care that, that I'm here.

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And so if, you know, a ball goes over, I can, I can try to catch it.
And so like, I feel bad that he's, he's literally just standing in the back, just like hitting
his, his, his mitt, just waiting for like them to like, hopefully accept him.
Um, but just, yeah.
Um, it's, it's a really fun movie.

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Um, I don't know a lot about baseball, probably like nothing.
Um, so what my knowledge of baseball is because of this movie, that's all that, that, that,
that's all I'm going to say.
And I guess a little bit of 42, but I don't really remember that movie a lot.
Yeah.
I, the only thing I'd, our only stuff I know about baseball comes from my time when I played

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tee ball as a kid.
But how was that?
Tee ball?
I mean, it wasn't bad.
The thing is, the things I remember, like, I think my dad attempted to coach us for a
little bit.
I'm sure that one very well.
Yeah.
So yeah, he, he, I remember him coaching or at least assisting.

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I remember it not going well.
And then there's like, I remember the kids that I played with, like there was one that
was just a fricking whiny little bitch.
And he is the, he's the one that fricking got a fricking riggedy wrecked during one
game that we were playing.

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Like someone hit the ball and he got it straight to the stomach, dude.
Damn.
It fricking bent him over just like, it was bad, but like I was laughing.
And then I think I got in trouble.
Of course you were.
Like, like you can't do that.

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But, but that's, I don't remember too much about my, my tee ball days, but I remember
that.
I also remember one kid that couldn't hit the fricking ball.
Like he kept hitting the tee.
That would have been me.
I'm sure.

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Yeah.
I'm hoping I'm just not like disassociating and I'm like accidentally like remembering
me like not hitting the ball, but, oh my gosh, that'd be so funny.
Just imagine like Bronson listens to this.

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He's just like, Caleb, that was you dumbass.
Now if there's anyone that you'd have to ask, it'd be my dad.
Yeah, sorry.
I don't like to associate with your dad.
So I'm just going to take your word for it.
Oh shit.

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But yeah, this movie, I'm fricking, yeah, just like, I love it every single time I get
to rewatch it.
Another scene that always comes to mind is fricking when they're at the carnival, after
they win that game against the other team and they fricking like have to chew tobacco
for the first time and they go on the fricking like tilt a whirl or some shit like that and

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just fricking just barf chunks all over.
But yeah, I just love the message that this movie sends because the friends that you grew
up with, those friendships are truly something special and fricking just these kids, these

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kids, these boys, I just love them to death.
They're amazing in this movie and it's really the only baseball movie that I'll ever watch
unless I finally watch 42 again.
I've only seen that once with Caleb and that was over 10 years ago.
Did we watch 42?

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We watched it at Christian's.
I'll be 100% real.
I don't remember that movie for shit.
I don't even remember that I watched it.
Really?
Yeah.
I actually saw a clip from it and I'm like, wow, that looks really good.
I might have to check that out.

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Oh man.
I hope that doesn't speak to the movie being like super forgettable.
I hope not either.
I mean, it has Chadwick Boseman in it so it has to be good, right?
I mean, obviously if I completely forgot, I'd even seen the movie.

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Yeah.
I bet it's one of those movies that's like, this could probably happen again where another
movie is like, oh, that looks like a really good movie.
I should check that out.
Oh shit.

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Oh damn, man.
I thought my memory was bad.
My memory is absolute dog shit.
But anyway, Sam lot.
I feel this isn't one that you really need to watch in theaters.
I mean, I guess if you can catch it like on a $5 Tuesday, if they bring it back, like

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it'd be super cool to see it on the big screen.
But I feel it's a movie that it's fine to just catch it at home.
So I would personally give the Sandlot a stream it.
It is a classic movie.
One I feel when it comes to like coming of age stories, like it is up there for a lot
of people, myself included.
And it's just a really fun movie.

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Like if you haven't seen the Sandlot, like come on, do yourself a favor.
Yeah.
Easily one of the most quoted movies like that I've ever seen.
Like there are people that haven't even seen this movie that quoted.
No, like seriously.
Like it's crazy.

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But even if you haven't seen it and you don't know the line, you're killing me.
Smalls.
Like you haven't heard that at least once in your life.
Even if it's out of context.
Like come on, what are you doing with your life?
Yeah, no joke.
But next up, I went and saw a real pain, a new Jesse Eisenberg directed movie starring

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him and Kieran Culkin.
Phenomenal movie.
Very sad movie.
Like damn, I caught myself tearing up quite a bit in this movie.
One, it's a very sad topic and two, it hit home.
It's about these two cousins that travel to Poland to visit their grandmother's hometown

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who had recently deceased, who had recently passed away.
And she was one that lived through the Holocaust.
And so they visit her old house or her old childhood home.
They visit the Holocaust museum they have out in Poland.

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Just that topic alone, like Holocaust, of course, that hits hard.
And you know, loss of a grandmother, which I went through recently, that hit hard especially.
And just freaking the acting was just phenomenal between these two.
Jesse Eisenberg, he's so good at playing awkward.

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And I want like, I think he's that way in real life too, isn't he?
Kind of a little bit.
Beats me.
I think if he came out as like a super charming person, I think that would be weird.
That's fair.
That is fair.
Because yeah, like he plays awkward so well.

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So like, I'm thinking that's just who he is as a person.
That's not me knocking him.
I love Jesse Eisenberg.
I honestly think he gets way too much hate.
I think he's a great actor.
And after this movie, I think he's a great director.
And but freaking Kieran Culkin steals the show in this movie.
Like holy shit.
I don't, I'm sure I've seen him in other stuff, but I just can't remember.

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Scott Pilgrim.
Oh yeah, son of a bitch he is.
My bad.
Yeah.
And he's, I'm pretty sure he's in Home Alone too.
Oh yeah.
He's the freaking like the kid that the one lady says go easy on the Pepsi.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
He's the kid in freaking in big ass glasses.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, he's in Scott Pilgrim.
He was in both Home Alones.
Uh, I'm trying to think of other shit that you might've seen him in.
He's been in a lot of shit.

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And that might be the only stuff that you might know him from.
Like he's done other stuff like, um, movie 43.
Oh, I heard that movie sucked ass.
It was a garbage movie.
I think I bought that at a Dollar Tree when I, when they were like having dollar Blu-rays

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one time.
I still haven't opened it and watched it.
It's still just sitting on my shelf collecting dust.
Uh, yeah.
He's been, he's been in a few things, like nothing I would say that you might know.
Okay.

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But I mean, he also does a lot of voice work too.
Really?
Yeah.
He was in, he's in that, uh, that Rick and Morty kind of like styled show, uh, solar
opposites.
Like he did a voice in there.
Uh, he does a voice in the best or the second best hospital in the galaxy.

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Uh, he did a voice for, uh, that animated boys show, uh, diabolical.
And yeah, so he's done, he's done a bunch of shit.
Hell yeah.
Okay.
I mean, he's phenomenal actor.
Like I said, like he was amazing in this movie and him and Jesse Eisenberg had amazing chemistry.

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Um, I totally bought them as cousins.
Um, just, yeah, this was a great movie.
Um, I really enjoyed it from start to finish.
Um, and honestly, it's probably in my top five of, of, uh, the year.
Um, so I don't think it's one that you need to see in theaters.
I did.
Um, but like if you caught it on a $5 Tuesday, like, yeah, that'd be fine.

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But personally, I feel like stream it is, is where this movie, uh, shines.
Like if you can catch this at home, um, definitely bring some tissues, uh, because you might
cry.
Um, so it's a very moving film, um, but that, that plays in its favor.
It's, it's a really good movie.
And Jesse Eisenberg, like guy can really direct the film.

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Um, I don't know if he wrote this as well.
Um, but he, he fricking blew me away.
So, um, but so yeah, uh, and then I got one more with a movie that I have like, I, God,
I haven't, I've never seen this movie.
Um, and considering it's like everyone's like number one Thanksgiving movie, um, when it

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comes to the holiday, cause you know, there's not a lot of Thanksgiving movies.
So I finally on Thanksgiving sat down and watched planes, trains and automobiles.
Um, and I now understand where all the hype is coming from.
This movie was fricking hilarious.
This has been one I've been wanting to check out for a while.

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Like I love Steve Martin and I love John Candy, dude.
They are incredible together, dude.
Like if, I mean, you can watch this anytime, but if you watch this like next Thanksgiving,
it's worth it, man.
This hilarious from start to finish.

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There is a scene where I have, I'm just not used to Steve Martin, like cursing all that
much because maybe I just grew up with him being in kids films like cheaper by the dozen,
the pink panther, stuff like that.
And so when he goes up to this, um, rental car lady and he, he's, he's just like, sorry.

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So he's like, wipe that effing smile off her effing face just literally lays into her for
the shit that he has gone through with his car that he had rented being, uh, um, transferred
to another person.
Um, just like, like literally, um, and finally at the end, she's just like, Oh, do you have

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your rental receipt?
And he's just like, no, I threw it away.
And she's just like, Ooh, he's like, what does that mean?
He's your F dude.
Oh shit.
It's oh dude.
Yeah.
It's so good.

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Steve Martin and John Candy, both incredible in this movie.
I can't pick which one was my favorite.
I loved them both in this movie.
Man.
I love both of those guys, dude.
Yeah.
Total side.
Total side note, Steve Martin, you know, he has a band.
Yes, I did.

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Okay.
His band might have one of my favorite Christmas albums of all time.
Really?
I love that.
So yeah.
So it's, it's the holiday season.
I don't like to think of myself as a Scrooge, but until Thanksgiving has passed, I definitely

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am.
Cause I try to limit myself.
Christmas gets celebrated.
I'll even say after Thanksgiving dinner until I'll give it the till the new year.
Like that.
That's my like my Christmas season.
So I try to knock out as many Christmas movies as I can watch, like everything.

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Like I go like full, full force when it comes to Christmas during that period of time.
Cause I feel like, cause if you stretch it out too long, then it's just like you get
Christmas fever and you're just like, like once the day finally comes.
So I try to let, I try to limit it.
And this is honestly probably just because of how I was raised.

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But anyway, I, this is the part I needed that I needed to, uh, uh, prelude that I needed
to say all that because what I'm about to say is going to make me sound like a huge
Scrooge.
I hate with a fiery passion, anything classic Christmas songs.

(34:27):
Really?
All of them, all of them can go jump off a cliff, dude.
Okay.
So let's name off a couple.
We wish you a Merry Christmas.
Hate it.
Jingle bells.
Hate it.
Oh, I'm dreaming of holding up.
Hold up, hold up, hold up.
Like Christmas carols.
If like, if this, like, I'm not saying like, I just, I hate it when like people sing it.

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Like I don't, like, I don't mind if people come to my house and do Christmas carols.
Okay.
Totally don't mind that.
If you're, if it's just singing around the house, whatever, like, I don't care.
Like I can, I can, I will have those songs to myself, but when it comes to like listening
on the radio, like, it's like skip.

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Yeah.
Like hardcore skip.
All right.
So like, uh, literally anything Michael Buble during the holiday season, Mariah Carey's,
like All I Want for Christmas is You makes me want to fricking crash into a tree.

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Me too.
Um, uh.
What about every, anything that is burlives?
Nope.
Can't do it.
Oh man.
Dude, I told you fricking Scrooge.
Like I sound like a Scrooge.
I wouldn't say I had to honestly, I wouldn't say that you're a Scrooge.

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I get it, man.
With how much I hate it, dude, like I was talking to Brielle in the car.
She had a Christmas radio station going and they were playing all those songs that I fricking
hate.
And so every time we would talk, I would lower the volume by one until she realized what

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the hell I was doing.
Then she's like, she turned it up a little bit and I just start over and slowly lower
down because I had the controls on the, on the steering wheel.
But like, yeah, like here in and it's most, it's most songs.
So like people doing covers of those songs.

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So like, I don't like listening to the Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, the Grinch and unless
it's in the context of the movie, cause I'll watch the movie like all day long.
I love it within the context of the movie out in the wild.
Go screw yourself.

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Fucking White Christmas, Jingle Bell Rock, I don't know, Carol the Bells.
Like now can't do it.
Did you say Let It Snow?
Let It Snow, yeah, I hate that song.
I like very not.
Dude, fricking I hate, there's a version of Jingle Bells now that has made me hate that

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song forever.
It is so sped up, it goes like Jingle Bell, Jingle Bell, Jingle Bell, it's and it constantly
plays in my work and it is as annoying as all hell.
And then fricking because of my work, you know what?
I'll be honest, I never really liked it that much to begin with, but because I feel that
they play it so much every single fricking year.

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So I've hated it for 10 years.
I hate, hate the little drummer boy.
Dude, the little drummer boy can go, oh my gosh.
The worst Christmas song, in my opinion, absolute worst.
I loathe that song.
That song makes me want to go punch a child.

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Same here, man.
Dropkick a child.
I'll add that.
Oh my gosh, dude.
I hate that song.
That the 12 days of Christmas.
Oh yeah, dude, that one's annoying.
The 12 days of Christmas you have until day three.
After that, you better sing it all in one go, buddy, because I'm not listening to you
anymore.

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If I have to go and physically stop you from singing that song, I will.
Fair.
Yeah, but little drummer boy can, yeah, hate it.
Glad I'm not the only one.
There's another one that gets on my nerves too.
I can't think of it off the top of my head.

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I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus.
That's like-
I hate that one.
I don't like that one either.
That is on the tip top of the list.
Not like, well, no, not in my hate list.
It's maybe the bottom of my hate list.
If that one comes on, I'm like, okay, sure.

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I'll listen to that one.
Yeah, I'm skipping that shit.
It's the ones that just get played the same year after year after year.
Stop it.
One that I feel, and it's had so many covers, and I think I've really enjoyed every single
one of them.

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There went Caleb.
What?
I don't know what happened there.
Yeah, okay.
My Christmas song that I feel like I've enjoyed every single cover in the original is fantastic.
Run Rudolph, Run.
Or Run, Run Rudolph, whatever.

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I don't know.
That's the one I can't do.
That's the one that I really enjoy.
Everything I say, the exception is in the context of a movie.
So Run, Run Rudolph during Home Alone or whatever.
Is it played in Home Alone?

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Yes, it is.
Yeah, yeah.
In the context of that movie and any other movie that it might be in, totally fine.
I am 100% okay with any of these songs in the context of a film.
On the radio, just trying to get myself into the Christmas spirit, no.

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Leave that shit at the door.
Fair man, completely fair.
Yeah, but I like my Christmas album or my Christmas playlist is filled with very non-traditional
Christmas songs and a good portion of them come from Steve Martin's band.

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Okay, you Spotify too, right?
Yes.
Can you please share this album with me?
I've got to see this.
Dude, my playlist, I shit you not get smaller every year because they take songs off.
Oh, that sucks.
Let me see where my...

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It's at the bottom of my freaking playlist.
I mean, obviously I only listen to it during Christmas.
Yeah, it got even smaller.
Let's see, how many songs does it have on here?
Yeah, my Christmas playlist is 24 minutes long.

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Damn, man.
Dude, I shit you not, when I first got Spotify and started creating this playlist, it used
to be just under an hour and now it's at 24 minutes because they keep taking shit off.
God damn.
Oh shit.

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Oh, Steve Martin's one is still on there.
Okay, good.
There's one, Holiday Road by one of my favorite bands, Zach Brown Band.
Okay, yeah.
Steve Martin's is Strangest Christmas Yet, which I freaking love that one.
There's Not So Silent Night, Leroy the Redneck Reindeer, Merry Christmas from the Family.

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I Don't Know What Christmas Is from the old 97s from the James Gunn Guardians of the Galaxy
special.
Okay.
And then another one, if we make it through December.
It's a good playlist though.

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Yeah, so Steve Martin's band, oh, he only has like, I'll send it to you.
I'll send you my playlist.
Yeah, okay.
Or here, this is what I'll do.
For those of you that, oh, nope, wasn't trying to turn that on.

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For those of you, or just to try and get some more like traffic to the video, I will share
the Spotify code on the video.
So if you were watching on YouTube or like any other place that we post this video, here

(43:42):
is the, I'm leaving it up for a minute.
So just pause it if you want, but there.
So that way you can listen to it.
I don't think I made this private.
No, it's not private.
So you guys should be able to listen to it.
And by the time this episode comes out, I'll try and add more songs, try to get it back

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up to a respectable length.
Oh, shit.
Oh my gosh, I love it.
Like I said, very non-traditional Christmas songs.
I love those.

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Like those are my earworms.
I've noticed I have a lot of like, I don't want to say naughty Christmas songs, but very
like nonchalant, I guess, because fricking, I have like the whole soundtrack for a very
heralding Kumar Christmas and my number one listen to on my Christmas playlist is the,

(44:50):
it's a very jolly day for you to die.
Oh, I love it.
But so planes, trains and automobiles, stream it.
Definitely.
If you haven't seen this movie, which like I hadn't fricking, it took me for fricking

(45:14):
ever.
Definitely do yourself a favor and check out this amazing comedy.
It's so fricking good.
Oh, shit.
Oh, hold on.
Technical difficulties.
All right, stream it.
There we go.
Perfect.
I guess our glitch fricking glitched out the slides too.

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Oh, shit.
Yeah, so that's all I got for weekly watched.
Caleb, what you got?
Yeah.
So we were doing, like we were setting up for Christmas and everyone wanted me to put
on a Christmas movie, but Iris specifically requested a superhero movie.

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And so I wanted to set one up that was a little bit longer.
So I turned on Iron Man three because technically this does take place over the span of like
Christmas and New Year's.
So technically Christmas, but you know what you should have done?
You should have put on Hawkeye.
I'm just saying I feel that that's more of a Christmas.

(46:27):
I know it's a show, but still.
Yeah.
Well, they, I probably would have, but they did request a movie.
All right, okay.
It's just a long movie.
Well, no, because what I was going to do originally, I was going to turn the, the guardians holiday
special on, but they wanted something longer.
So I was like, okay, well, I can't really think of any other like Christmas centric

(46:51):
superhero movies.
So this is like the closest that I can get.
All right, fair enough.
Yeah.
So I turned on Iron Man three and I gotta say, I think this movie gets a little too
much hate.
Like, listen, there's definitely some points where you can tell that they didn't fully

(47:15):
like think through the, uh, the rewrites because it's very obvious where the rewrites happened
and they completely shifted the tone and whatnot.
And it's a, it was a little ridiculous more than a little ridiculous.
And but I think the overall concept of this with Tony Stark, just struggling with the

(47:43):
events of the Avengers and what he went through with that.
And then putting like giving him an enemy to fight while he's also trying to fight his
like inner demons and shit.
I found that to be very interesting.
Um, but I love this one.
I love seeing like the various, um, the various armors that he would wear.

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So after Iron Man three, when's the, we saw him in age of Ultron.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But okay.
So this movie, what this movie did for me, it made me miss his classic suit ups.
That's fair.
Like, listen, the nanotech totally within the wheelhouse of, of Tony Stark, super lame

(48:33):
to watch.
Yeah.
It is ridiculously lame.
Like I, I would have liked it a lot better had he been able to like create the armor
and like it had like nanotechnology within it.
So it like to self heal or whatever, but for a full blown suit up kind of lame.

(48:55):
I know it's a, like a, uh, what is it?
A suit down or like him taking it off, but fricking that scene in the Avengers, when,
when they're, when he he's like walking into Stark tower and it's taking, taking it off.
I fricking love that scene.
Yeah.
And I love when he's like, cause you miss out on like super fun stuff.

(49:17):
Like what they did with this, when he's in the bar with roadie and he has his panic attack,
he walks out and then the Iron Man suits just standing there and then he like walks towards
it and it opens up the back and he just kind of like slips into it and then like kind of
collapses and whatnot.
But like it's cool.
Like I love seeing that shit.
And then you see like the armor flying at him and like going over his body.

(49:41):
Like you, you can do cool shit with that without jumping to fricking nanotech.
And then I hate the nanotech.
It definitely took away some coolness from Iron Man.
Yeah.
I mean, cause I had rewatched Iron Man like a while ago and then Iron Man two kind of

(50:02):
the same, like we watched a few weeks ago, maybe a month or two ago.
And then, yeah, this one, it's just like, all it's done is just made me miss his suit
ups.
Like that's all it's done is just made me miss his suit ups.
And I love that.
And that's why I really like, I want to get like, once we finished Lego Marvel with, with

(50:23):
Iris, I really want to get into Lego Avengers because he gets those suit ups.
Yeah, that's true.
Like obviously Lego Lego a fight, but like, I love that shit.
Like I love his suit ups and the movie kind of jacked it up.
But our, once he got the nanotech, it was lame, but this was sick.

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I loved him just jumping from like suit to suit, like in the final fight, he gives Iron
Patriot a hard time.
I really liked Iron Patriot and yeah, I think we missed out.
I think, or like, what's the, I think this movie got too much flack and I know why it

(51:06):
did, but I think what they were able to pull off was really well done.
And I enjoyed the hell out of it.
Yeah.
Also great, great Christmas movie.
Yeah.
So I ended up giving this one a stream it as well.

(51:30):
So it kind of stream it across the board because this one's definitely more fun to watch at
home.
Have we ever had that, that like all of our grades have been the same?
If it's happened, it's happened very rarely.
That's kind of cool.
Yeah.
But all right, what do you say we jump into the headliner?

(51:53):
I say, let's do it.

(52:14):
All right.
So jumping right into our headliner of the evening, which I don't know why I stuttered
so much there, which will be a breakdown of Wicked or if you see in the movie, Wicked
part one.
I mean, are we really that I've seen so many people be like, Oh, why didn't they just call

(52:36):
it Wicked part one?
It's literally the same thing that they did with it.
Like it would be, I actually like when they don't put like chapter one and chapter two,
like I like that it's just wicked and then it's going to be wicked chapter two.
I love that.
Yeah.
I think that's that's the route to go.
Yeah.
Like, I think it's just for like simplicity sake.

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Like I think if you were to do like a box set, I think that's when you could throw in
part one, part two, like kind of switch it up.
So like if like with it, like I think if you had it in like a two pack, then I think you
should change it.
So it says it chapter one, it chapter two.
That's fair.
Yeah.
So a question like this, yeah, just keep it wicked, wicked part two.

(53:23):
Yeah.
But before we really jump into wicked and spoil the whole damn thing for you, Caleb,
you want to let people know how we break down movies on this podcast?
I would love to.
If you are new to our breakdown system, we have split movies into eight different categories
that we individually score to come to a final all bros letter grade.

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The eight categories that we score our story, writing, acting, character development, effects,
music, costumes, and then we give our own personal score at the very end.
All these numbers get magically added up and spit through our algorithm and give us a letter
grade to compare this movie to others of a similar grade.

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So if you have not seen wicked part one, Rose is about to spoil the entire movie for you
in our favorite segment that we like to call reading with Rose.
All right.
In the land of Oz, the citizens of Munchkinland celebrate the death of the wicked witch of

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the West.
Glinda the good tells the witch's story born from an affair between the wife and then
Governor Thropp and a traveling salesman.
She was rejected from birth due to her green skin, which caused her to suffer a troubled
childhood.
No one more, which leads into which the song No one mourns the wicked covers.

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When asked if she and the witch, I like that they do that.
Like I love with Wikipedia, they like in parentheses, they put, oh, this is the song that explains
what's happening within that scene.
I think that's cool.
When asked if she and the witch were friends, Glinda replies that they knew each other and
reflects on their past.
As earlier, Elphaba Thropp arrives at Shiz University to drop off her paraplegic younger

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sister Nessa Rose, which leads into the song Dear Old Shiz.
Meta Morbill, the Dean of Sorcery Studies, offers to privately tutor Elphaba after the
latter unintentionally reveals her magical abilities.
Elphaba accepts, hoping it will fall.
It will allow her to meet Oz's ruler, the wizard whom she idolizes and hopes may change

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her skin color, which leads to the song The Wizard and I.
To her discontent, however, Elphaba is forced to share a room with bubbly, popular Glinda
Upland.
The two clash constantly, which leads into the song What is this Feeling?
Nessa befriends Bok Woodsman, a happy-go-lucky munchkin with a crush on Glinda, while Elphaba

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encounters rebellious prince for...
Wow.
Is it...
Oh my god.
Pretty sure it's Fiero.
Fiero, thank you.
Wow.
Fiero...
Tigalar?

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I didn't really pay too close attention with his last name.
Clearly I could barely get his first name.
I just called him the prince.
There you go.
So while Elphaba encounters rebellious prince Fiero Tigalar, that sounds so wrong, but

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I'm just gonna stick with it, and his talking horse, Dr. Dillamond, a Dillamond, no, it's
Dillamond, a talking goat who teaches Ozian history and faces discrimination from the
school, tells Elphaba that other animals are losing their civil rights and abilities to
speak fearing he may be next, which leads into the song Something Bad.

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Excuse me.
Elphaba assures Dillamond that the wizard will handle the matter.
Wow.
Fiero decides to host a party at the Oz Dust ballroom.
Glinda convinces Bok to take Nessa Rose so she can go with Fiero, which leads into the
song Dancing Through Life.

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At the Oz Dust, Glinda learns she will be allowed in Morrible's sorcery seminar at Elphaba's
request as thanks for convincing Bok to take Nessa.
While Elphaba is ridiculed for wearing a hat Glinda gave to her as a slight, a guilty Glinda

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dances with her, which leads into Oz Dust duet and later gives her a makeover, which
leads into popular.
The next day, Dillamond, Dillamond, hmm, my god.
I'm trying to remember now how Elphaba said is it Dillamond or no, it's Dillamond, you

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know, it's Dillamond.
Yeah, because she didn't see Dillamond, right?
Yes.
Yeah, Dillamond.
Professor, Professor.
Professor Dillamond or Dr. Dillamond.
That's gonna piss me off.
Dillamond, Dillamond.
Okay.

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The next day, Dillamond announces his retirement due to the school board now disallow me animals
to teach.
He's forcefully escorted out of the classroom by guards.
I don't know how true it is, but I did read somewhere that he was brutally.
This is spoiler, you know, we're in spoiler territory that he was brutal, like he was
killed.

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And that makes me so sad.
That's bullshit.
Wait, what?
So I read somewhere.
So after he's forcefully taken from his classroom, they kill Dr. Dillamond.
What the shit?
Yeah, I read that somewhere.
I don't know how true that is.

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I really wish I had like close connections with the Oz historian, Tory, like, come on.
Listen to the all pros and let me know if this is true.
Have you ever have you ever heard of Tory?
I think I forget her last name, but Tory from the Oz vlog.
No.
Okay.
If you ever get the chance, look her up on TikTok.

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She's and she's one of many Oz historians.
She's amazing at what she does.
Oz historian.
Yeah, no, that's a real thing, dude.
It's actually pretty cool because it's amazing how many things that they've debunked with
the original Wizard of Oz from the frickin hanging the munchkin that hanged himself from
the asbestos that was in the snow.

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Just they have had to debunk so much shit.
It's insane.
Geez.
Okay.
Yeah.
But yeah, so if you're listening to this, which you're probably not, but that'd be super
cool.
Please let me know if that's true.
I mean, I know I could just look it up, but we lazy.

(01:00:22):
Yeah.
And it would be really cool to be fact checked by you, by Tory.
I want to make sure that that is her.
I got to make sure that that is her name.
Yeah.
Victoria Kalamito.
Okay.
Yeah.
So that's the Tory.

(01:00:45):
Yeah.
So I know you're not going to listen to this, but that'd be so freaking cool if I got fact
checked by Tory, the Oz vlog.
That'd be so freaking cool.
But all right.
Back to the plot.
So Dr. Dillaman's replacement, the unscript unscript, she was unscript, us professor Nick

(01:01:13):
a dick.
I promise that's how it's spelled Nick a dick.
Okay.
Attempts to do live experimentation on a frightened lion cub.
And Elphaba and Fiero intervene, escape campus and release the cub into the forest.

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After sharing a moment, Elphaba laments that Fiero prefers Galinda over her, which leads
into the song.
I'm not that girl.
Elphaba receives a personalized summons from the wizard who has heard about her progress.
Galinda now shortening her name to Glinda and on.
Yeah.
That whole scene was freaking hilarious.
She's just like, I don't understand why it's so hard.
Other professors have been able to get it right.

(01:01:58):
It's got Linda with a G. Just just, God, I loved Ariana Grande so much in this movie.
I say, so Galinda now shortening her name to Glinda in honor of Dillaman's mispronunciation
of it accompanies her.
The two ride a bullet train to Oz's capital, the Emerald City, where they affirm their

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friendship while sightseeing, which leads into the song one short day.
Excuse me.
Oh my God.
After being introduced to the wizard, which leads into the song, a sentimental man, Elphaba
says she wishes.

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Why am I messing Wicked's one up so bad, man?
Elphaba says she wishes to help the talking animals of Oz in, okay, help me out.
Help me out.
L I E U.
L I E U.
Yeah.

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Oh, and Lou.
Oh, thank you.
Elphaba says she wishes to help the talking animals of Oz in lieu of changing her skin
color.
Morbill reveals she has come to witness Elphaba and the wizard's first meeting.
The wizard.
Dude, I'm almost done.

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I'm almost done.
The wizard and Morbill encourage Elphaba to read from the sacred Grimory spell book.
Her incantation makes the wizard's monkey guards painfully sprout wings, allowing the
delighted Morbill and the wizard to use them as spies.
Elphaba realizes that they are the ones behind the animals losing their rights and speech

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and that the wizard is a fraud.
Horrified that she was used to unlock the Grimory's power and further subjugate the
animals, Elphaba flees.
Glinda follows her and implores her to reconcile with Morbill and the wizard, but Elphaba decides
to stop their cruel plans.
She bids an emotional farewell to Glinda, who supports her but is apprehended by guards.

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Elphaba uses the Grimory to levitate a broom and escape from the city upon it, evading
the wizard's guards and monkeys after her powers cause a power outage throughout Oz.
After Morbill warns that Elphaba is a wicked witch, the students of Shiz evacuate campus
with Fiyero fleeing the school grounds on horseback, and Nessa Rose sees Governor Throp

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suffer a heart attack as they receive the news in their Munchkinland home.
Meanwhile Elphaba flies west, which is the song defying gravity.
How the hell did I miss that Governor Throp was having a heart attack?
I didn't even notice that.
Was he?

(01:04:51):
Yeah.
I guess maybe, I think it's happening in the background.
Cause like you get a close up of Nessa Rose and I think it was happening in the background.
I wasn't really, alright on my next rewatch I'll have to look for that.
But yeah apparently he was having a heart attack.
Damn, that's sad.
What in the actual hell?

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I don't know.
But so yeah, so that's the plot.
That was one of the hardest for me to get through.
I don't know why.
But yes, that's the plot of Wicked.
Caleb, I think you should talk for a little bit now.
Oh my gosh.
Dude I gotta say it is super easy to just get absorbed by the lore of Wicked.

(01:05:41):
Right?
Like seriously.
Like dude freaking like the moment this movie started, cause I've never seen the Broadway
musical.
I really didn't know much about Wicked.
I mean I've seen the Wizard of Oz plenty of times.
But from what I've told is that Wicked doesn't exist in the Wizard of Oz universe, but the

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Wizard of Oz exists in the Wicked universe.
It's weird.
That doesn't track.
Right?
I'm just like, okay, alright.
At that point it's like why couldn't it though?
Yeah exactly.
And so freaking like just the opening of this movie when you get the voiceover from Glinda

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talking about how the Wicked Witch, how she died, and freaking you see the awesome shot
of the flying monkeys and you're doing this amazing freaking one shot of just going through
Oz and as they're like leading up to Munchkin Land, you see the core four.
You see Dorothy, the scarecrow, Tin Man, the cowardly lion, all walking down the path.

(01:06:54):
And I freaking got a huge smile on my face seeing those four.
That was great.
And freaking we get led into Munchkin Land.
It leads into No One Mourns the Wicked.
Just freaking like the first five minutes of this movie like were like a, honestly I'd
probably say 10 minutes of this movie, were like just like a freaking ride.
And honestly the whole movie was, well okay not the whole movie because you know like

(01:07:18):
it does slow down in the parts that it needs to.
But like freaking from the very first scene I was absolutely hooked from start to finish.
This story is just incredible.
I will say I am just getting straight into the story because why not.

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I was a little different.
Like listen, seeing the core four and everything, super dope.
Freaking loved it.
Like seeing the like Dorothy with all, super cool.
After that it took a bit of work to get me into the story.

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And this is kind of what I was worried about when it came to seeing this movie.
I was like this is based off of Broadway.
Broadway is known for their musicals.
Like this is going to feel very musical-esque.
And this is like, it started off with the thing, like it continued the theme but it

(01:08:26):
kind of shifted my opinion because like the story is what helped save this for me.
Up until they started doing, like they started kind of becoming friendly with each other.
Alpha, Belle and Glinda.
Or Galinda, or it's Glinda now.

(01:08:51):
Yeah.
I was a little concerned.
Just because I was like before that point, I was a little concerned just because I was
like, oh man, this is feeling very musical-esque.
And what I mean is like it was like they talk for a little bit and then boom, song.

(01:09:14):
And I'm like, I don't love that.
I don't care for that.
Yeah, I know.
It was because we're like wildly different on that.
It didn't seem to like push the narrative at all.
Like it was more just like exposition singing.

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And I don't like exposition singing.
I like pushing the narrative along singing.
And I think once it shifted more to that and that was like after they started being like
friendly with each other and whatnot, that's when I was like, all right, I am on board
for what's happening right now.
And I got like way more involved, like emotionally.

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But it took a hot minute.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It took a pretty decent minute.
I was kind of shocked considering that I didn't really know a lot about Wicked not only as
the war, but also just as the stage musical, the story.
I was kind of like amazed of how fast I got into this movie was right away.

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And you know, maybe it's it's the theater kid me.
I would say it's probably the familiarity with Wizard of Oz to like that helped that
is true.
That definitely did.
But just I don't know what it is that this story like like because if all I can think

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of with The Wicked Witch of the West is what we see of her in The Wizard of Oz and of Glinda
the Good, what we see of her in The Wizard of Oz.
But I have never gotten so fricking emotional in a musical before.
And like there were moments like I would like I caught myself tearing up and I'm just like,

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whoa, what the fuck?
Like I was so freaking involved in this movie that I was like, oh, shit, like my eyes are
watering up because I feel that John Chu was such an amazing choice for the director when
it comes to telling the story.

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And I was like, yeah, I'm just like, yeah, I'm just like, yeah, I'm just like, yeah,
there's a reason why I loved this.
That's right.
Right.
Because because frickin I loved in the Heights, dude, it was the same deal within the Heights.
It was just it was too musical for me until it wasn't anymore.
And then I'm like, all right, here we go.
Yeah, same freaking deal.

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Completely get.
And so like I had no idea that this story was just so powerful, like seeing these two
start out like literally loathing each other.
I mean, there's a frickin song about them loathing each other, which one of the best
songs we will talk about it when we get the music and just seeing frickin especially that
one scene at the ball where Elphaba is literally puts all of her emotions on the front line,

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it feels with, you know, walking into the dance wearing that.
Not only that outfit, I mean, she's always wears black, but that hat and how she hides
how much everybody laughing at her is affecting her.
And I love this so much that I don't know if you knew this, but that dance that Ariana

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and Cynthia did, Ariana didn't practice that at all.
She wanted it to be.
What's the word?
She wanted it to feel like it was in the moment that she was learning that dance.
She didn't want to.
She didn't want it to feel rehearsed at all.
And so she picked that shit up quick, right?
Yeah, she did.

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Holy balls.
But yeah, so yeah, that that she was she did not know one single dance move when it came
to what they taught Cynthia.
So freaking like that scene was incredible, one of the many scenes that is incredible.
And so like seeing, seeing that them becoming friends and you know what they go through

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when they get to Oz, everything that happens with the wizard and freaking them parting
ways and understanding why each one is doing what the other one is doing.
It's just an amazing story and you would think you wouldn't think that though I maybe I mean,
I've never read the Wizard of Oz book.

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I've only basing this off the movie.
I never thought that the Wizard of Oz, not only movie, but the lore would be so freaking
deep and like freaking like bring me to tears.
Like I never thought that I would freaking cry over the story, the the the the story

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of the Wicked Witch of the West and Galinda, sorry, Linda, the good.
I never thought that I would freaking start tearing up over how they met and how how their
past led to how they are in the Wizard of Oz.
I never would have thought that that freaking story would bring me to tears.
But here we are.

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Here we are.
It's it's an incredible story and I loved it from start to finish.
Yeah, it was it was really good.
Like I said, once it picked up and.
Like just kind of backtracking what I said a little bit, it wasn't once they became friends,

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it was the the animals like the deal with the the goat professor, whatever his face
was.
Dr. Delamonde.
Yeah, once once that stuff kind of started coming to light a little bit, I was like,
all right, I now I'm invested.
Was it when I'm just curious, was it when the he moved the chalkboard and it revealed

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that animals are meant to stay silent or something like that?
Yes, it was like it was that and I was like, oh, OK, like, here we go.
And then it was like Elphaba following him to it to the the cabin and everything.
And I was like, sick.
All right.
Now I know what the like what I'm here for.

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Yeah, no, completely fair.
I don't know if you've seen this in real.
I feel it's like it irritates me that people are just like, oh, yeah, this is when you
should take a bathroom break.
People are just like, oh, yeah, go ahead and use the bathroom when the song Nothing Bad
goes on.
I'm just like false.
Yeah, it's a very important song.

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It's a very important scene.
Yeah, like, no.
I mean, I can't even think of one scene personally that like require that.
Oh, it's it's slow.
Go use the bathroom.
Just fricking hold it like, come on.
Yeah, listen, there's some preparation that needs to be done for this movie for sure.

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Like you need to prepare your bladder, something awful.
It's it's not it's definitely not, you know, Avengers endgame long, but it is 15 minutes
away from being a three hour movie.
Yeah, it's so it's a long one.
And you know what?
It's completely understandable.
Wicked is a long musical.
And I know, like, and I think I remember hearing that they actually the reason especially why

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they wanted to split it up into two parts so they could go even more into character
connections like they really wanted people to really, really connect without Alphaba
and Glinda.
Like they wanted to make sure that they understood why they were enemies at first and why they're
friends like they wanted to make sure that that that connection was there.

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And I feel they pulled that off perfectly.
Yeah, they mission accomplished.
Like, absolutely.
They absolutely made made them feel like they were connected.
And I love the the like the nods towards Wizard of Oz that they have.
Like, I don't know.

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Like they they were very direct with some and very indirect with others.
Like when I'm just thinking like when they were choosing the color of the road.
Yeah, that was cool.
I was like, like, God damn it.
Like, you know damn well what you're doing, you asshole.
Yeah.
But you can't help but smile at that part.

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Yeah.
And then a connection that I accidentally made after like I'd seen the movie and was
like kind of talking about it with with Brielle.
I was like, like, like there's like, I don't know about like this takes place a little
while before before Wizard of Oz takes place.

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And I'm like, I was thinking about that lion cub that they saved because they kept referring
it to as the lion cub.
And I was like and then it was just Elphaba's remark about like, why is it trembling?
And I'm like, hmm, is that the cowardly lion?
And apparently, yeah, that is.

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I actually didn't catch on to that.
So that's good to know.
Yeah.
So I caught that another another little little nod towards something.
I guess this ends up happening in Wicked 2 is like I didn't catch this.
Like this is something I saw it take talk about.

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And like I just saw the like they're just like, oh, here are the little Easter eggs
and whatnot.
And I while I was looking up the whole thing, just because I didn't want to sound stupid.
I'm just like I looked it up and they're like, yeah, that like that is the cowardly lion
that Elphaba saved as a cub.
And it was the Bach, the dude who is asking out Elphaba's sister.

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Oh, yeah.
And like was super or was into her and everything.
So he does this dance move that is like very similar to the Tin Man.
And apparently, yeah, and apparently he gets turned into the Tin Man.

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OK, that all right.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
So he gets so apparently the whole the story is that Elphaba's sister does like uses a
spell on him to try and make him fall in love with her.
And it goes wrong and ends up like almost killing him.

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But to save him, Elphaba does a spell that turns him to tin.
Huh.
And he doesn't know that.
Like he didn't know that that spell was to save his life.
And so he got like he just she just kind of did the spell and bounced.

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And then he was like super bitter about it.
So that's why he joined Dorothy on the mission to basically go kill Elphaba.
Oh, OK.
Yeah.
And I'm like, I really hope they address that.
That would be really cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's a lot of like little nods about that.

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And then obviously you got like the super like blatant ones like the what's her face
blocking Elphaba from getting wet and then making that like, oh, you like you mustn't
get wet.
And I'm like, why?
Why?
Tell me.

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No, like that just makes me wonder.
I'm like, OK, is it because she's practicing sorcery?
Like why is she like what's her deal with water?
Well, I guess we'll find out in part two.
I know.
Yeah, there's other stuff that's a little blatant, too.
I deadass believe that the her dad's the wizard.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
A deadass dude.
They didn't show his face.
They didn't show his face, but they show everybody else's face.
That's suspicious.
I'd be onto something.
Yeah.
And say the green bottle, like she said, it belonged to her mom.
I bet the frickin wizard did some frickin fooling around and shit.

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Like did this experiment on.
On Elphaba's mom, and that's why Elphaba came out green.
I have no nothing to base this theory off of other than how I know movie magic works.

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So I could be deadass wrong, but I think that would be an interesting it would make for
an interesting plot point.
And it would make sense because they didn't show the lovers face.
And he kind of had like all they did was like a little bit of a laugh.
And he kind of had a Jeff Goldblum laugh.
And I was like, did.
Yeah he did.

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Like I got your number, beatch.
Freakin and this is like frickin blew my mind.
I was just very shocked that like this happened to me considering I've never seen the damn
musical like I've never seen it on Broadway.
But frickin when Kristin Chenowick and Dina Menzel appeared, the original Elphaba and

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Galinda dude frickin I cried happy tears.
Like it was amazing to see those two in a cameo.
That was so frickin cool.
Oh dude.
I loved how they kind of still like kept the personality of their characters.
Yeah it's so perfect.

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Oh my gosh.
My favorite part was when what's the little blonde chick's name?
I always forget her name.
The original OG.
Kristin Kristin.
OK.
So when Kristin comes on and is singing and kind of takes that like a short pause and
then it looks like Ariana is about to fill in and she like shushes her and like pushes

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her away.
I'm like dude this is perfect.
So good.
I laughed so hard and then frickin Dina Menzel was perfect too.
They were so funny.
Like I loved watching them.

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Yeah that like I put one I love that they had cameos for them.
That was just fantastic.
And their scene was just incredible.
So so good.
So good.
I'll say this a character I probably could have done without was that Prince.

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The one that I can't pronounce.
Yeah.
Fiero.
Yeah.
I didn't really care for him.
Like I like him.
Yeah.
I mean he wasn't bad.
I just like and his his musical number was was really cool.
It's just a dude dancing through life was amazing.

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Yeah.
I think it's just after everything like after that song I was like all right cool.
Now you're just here to kind of gawk at the girls.
Like he didn't really do much other than had that like one moment with Elphaba.
But I think they could have like not had that.

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I don't know man.
If I had to pick between Ariana and Cynthia two very beautiful women.
The way that he is like towards the ending like he's he's definitely not going to say
starch starstruck but like he's definitely taken back by you know like his feelings for
Elphaba and then you know like he still feels like things something for Glinda.

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So I get why he acts the way that he does as the movie comes to its its conclusion.
Like I think I do.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know if he has like that kind of romantic vibe for Elphaba.

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I think he he feels like following Elphaba is like leading for cause.
Yeah.
But I think he still has he's still got the vibes for Glinda.
I guess we'll find out in part two.
Yeah.
How he really feels poor to just needs to be here already.

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God damn it.
Next year.
I can't wait a whole frickin year man.
Yeah.
So getting it right into the grade.
I know for a fact you're going to be higher than me.
This this story it's solid.

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It is very solid.
But I think the first chunk of it.
I had a hard time getting on board with like all right like why are we here.
And then it got into the animals and everything and I'm like all right here we go.
And so like once it once that hit then I'm like I was riding the train and it was it

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was awesome.
Especially like at the end when she full like becomes full blown Wicked Witch of the West
like that was dope.
That was so freaking sick and amazing dude like there were so many like super solid moments

(01:27:41):
that they had like where she was falling and like what looking at herself in the the window
and just seeing like the dude and then reaching out to like touch and then it just boom like
you got the broom.
I'm like yeah so freaking cool.

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Super sick and I don't know dude like I have a heart like the way that they set this up
the if there's like a betrayal that happens between Glinda and Elphaba I'm going to be
devastated.

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I guess we'll find out.
I did honestly I know as much about Wicked as you do and honestly I really don't want
to read anything like I've been tempted to read the book.
Oh I'm very tempted.
But like I don't want to because I want I don't want it to be spoiled.

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It's going to kill me but I really want to wait a year to find out how this all comes
to a conclusion.
It's going to kill me.
I saw this video about the book and everything and they're just like hey all you like you
theater moms that want to get your kids invested in in this wicked movie that's coming out

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like and think that it's a good idea to get them to read the book.
Don't.
And they gave him like all the frickin like warnings like that were happening in the book
and dude it's like a brutal book.
Oh shit.
And I'm like message received.

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But yeah pardon me definitely wants to check out the book though because that made me as
an adult be like all right let's see what's so bad about this.
Oh man.
Yeah but I think I think the story is really really good.

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Once it gets down to business.
So I think I'm going to be given this.
I've been jumping back and forth.
I'll give it 87.
That's not bad.
I actually thought you were going to be lower than that.
Hell yeah.
Now like I said that like once it gets down to business game on dude and the story frickin

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picks up from there.
I think if you would have chopped out that portion that I didn't care for I would probably
be in like the mid 90s.
It's just that portion just brought it down a decent amount because it started.
I started noticing I was getting to that point of being like OK why do I care.

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Yeah no that's that's completely fair.
Yeah I know completely get where Caleb's coming from and I definitely agree with a lot of
what he said.
Yeah just from like the like I said from the first.
Announce over and what's the word P.A. I guess that you hear from Glinda pronouncing the

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wicked witch dead to the final frickin Cynthia singing her lungs out.
I think this is such a solid story and it's insane how much a prequels story can not only

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affect your enjoyment of the original because I even just after watching part one I can
't wait to watch the Wizard of Oz again.
I haven't watched it in probably like a year.
So I'm excited to rewatch it.
We're very much going to look less favorably on Dorothy.

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Good point.
We're going to see her splash Elphaba be like you bitch.
Yes exactly.
Oh man.
But yeah just the the story between these two is just amazing.

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It's emotional.
It's it.
I don't know what else to say besides amazing.
It's just such a really good story that I love from start to finish.
And like I feel like I really don't have any problems with it.
Like you know I understand why it has to be you know two hours and 40 minutes.

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I lied.
I thought it was two forty five.
It's actually two forty.
But like like I was telling Caleb like I understand why it needed to be so long and why they wanted
to put more time into making sure that people understood this connection between Elphaba
and Glinda Glinda whichever.

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So I think story wise they might be a 93 totally reasonable.
How I'm going to Google this real quick.
How long is the play?

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How long is Wicked on Broadway.
Oh two hours and forty five minutes.
So it's about so this was five minutes shorter than the entire runtime of the music on Broadway.
Wow.
OK.
That that is crazy.

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So they be they should be getting into like a lot deeper material than the musical ever
did.
Yeah.
Yeah I would think so.
After this like let's just let's just fly to New York Caleb and let's go watch Wicked
after part two comes out like we got it.

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We got to compare man.
I I'm not going to say no completely but maybe like if they have a group on I'm saying man
Sam Mike.
Oh man.

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All right.
Moving on over to writing.
This is super solid.
Right dude.
Frickin the line and I had to write it down because I want to make sure that I got it
right.
The line that Dr. Dilliman says when he's having that meeting with the other animals

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when he says if you make everything discouraging enough you can keep everyone silent.
I was like God damn is that true.
Yeah.
And it's sad how true that is.
Like that line just speaks volumes like holy shit.
Oh man dude.

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There was a lot of frickin heavy hitters in this.
Like that and then another one that definitely was a heavy hitter for me was came from the
wizard.
The best way to bring folks together is to give them a really good enemy.
Dude I was I already hated the wizard but that just that sealed it dude.

(01:35:26):
I was like yeah you're psyched.
You're a piece of shit.
Yeah I just I have nothing but good things to say.
Like we've we've covered most of it but I'm giving the writing a ninety two.

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It was so good.
Yeah.
Frickin every line that came out of Glinda's mouth was just amazing.
She pissed me off so bad.
I love Caleb's story with this.
I don't think we're recording yet but Caleb said he was he was he was like halfway through

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the movie before he realized why she was pissing him off so much.
I was like oh wait it's because that's actually how she's supposed to be.
It's like Ariana Grande is doing an amazing job.
Yeah it took a minute because I was just like God like Glinda so frickin annoying.

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Like like like some of the lines that I I was just I was ready to like snap a pencil
dude because she's just like she was just so stunned and she's just like what happened
and she's like like something that's never happened before.
I didn't get my way.
It's like God damn you dude.

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Freakin her two friends the scene in the classroom when I think Glinda has her hand raised but
Elphaba answers and the one's just like excuse me yeah raise your hand.
Oh my gosh dude but listen as much as Glinda pissed me off no one pissed me off more than

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the goddamn munchkins.
I hated them with a fiery passion.
I'm like you are sheep.
You people suck.
Oh man.
Yeah dude frickin watching her as she's singing this No One Mourns the Wicked and as they

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bring out that huge statue to burn of the witch like you just seeing Glinda's face you're
just like it's really like she doesn't want to do this like she's really affected by the
by her death but you know she can't show that of course and so like frickin when she throws
the flame onto the statue you're just like oh god that hurts.

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Oh man dude I hated those munchkins.
Like oh my gosh.
I forget the kids just running down the field good news she's dead.
Oh man like I'm gonna crack that lollipop across your goddamn neck.

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You little shits.
Freakin I didn't catch it but like when the ones that are like scrubbing I think in the
water things that they have like it says like arsenal for the witch or some shit like that
like on the side of the tubs.
Yeah she's a shit ton of water.
Yeah like they were frickin ready in Munchkinland once she came back or she ever came back.

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Oh my gosh.
Oh man.
I dude I hated it.
I hated those frickin munchkins.
Oh man writing I'm just gonna be one above my story I'm gonna be at 94.

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Because the writing is that good.
It's oh man.
But I know what you're saying about Munchkin.
I get what you're saying about munchkins.
Oh dude.
Every time.
Every time.
I called it like when they were doing like the whole dance scene.

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I'm like she's gonna start like once I saw what she was doing I'm like all right this
is how it's gonna go.
Elphaba is gonna dance.
Galinda is gonna feel bad.
She's gonna try and dance in like dance too and then as soon as she joins in you know
who's gonna join in all these goddamn sheep munchkins and then that's exactly what frickin

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happened and I'm like I hate you guys.
Fuck you.
You frickin like ugh.
I could have throat punched every single one of those munchkins.
Same here man.
Same here.
Anyway moving on over to acting.

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Phenomenal.
Yeah going through this cast real quick.
We got Cynthia Arevo who played Elphaba.
We got Ariana Grande who plays Galinda.
We got Michelle Yow who played Madame Morrible.
We got Jeff Goldblum who plays the Wizard of Oz.

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Got Jonathan Bailey who plays Fiero.
Ethan Slater who plays Bach.
Marissa Bode who plays Nessa Rose.
Oh is she actually in a wheelchair?
She is yeah.
Okay I was a little concerned that she wasn't.
No yeah for both her and the girl that played her younger part both of them are in a wheelchair.

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They're both handicapped.
Sick.
Yeah that's really cool.
I love that inclusivity.
Yeah alright Peter Dinklage did the voice for Dr. Dillamond.
Bowen Yang played Fanny.
Then Bronwyn James played Shen Shen and that is it.

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Yeah I think that's the main majority of the main cast.
I couldn't find the guy that played the dad the governor of Munchkinland.
I don't know if he played a big enough role to include him though.
Yeah.
I was shocked though that he didn't appear like on like the first 10 people of the cast.

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That's crazy.
Yeah that just really shocked me.
Yeah I have a feeling our one and two are going to be the same.
Do I have to pick between these two for one and two?
Can I just say they're both number one?
Dude they they were perfect.
They were so good.

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Listen we could do like one and one point one or whatever.
Because the margins here are so tight.
At least between these two.
I think it gets a little easier once we get to three but yeah I don't know what you're
going to do or who you're going to do for three but I have a feeling our one and two

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are going to be the same.
I just don't know like if I like to one slightly more than the other and it's like a barely
slightly.
How would you how would you rank it?
I'm going Cynthia number one.
She killed it.
But then Ariana freaking coming in for the win too as as Glinda do.

(01:43:30):
Oh my gosh.
Like I said she pissed me off so much and then it took me a second to realize like that's
just that's how good she's doing.
Good.
That's how good she's doing at playing this character.
Yeah.
No like seriously.

(01:43:50):
Shit man I think I'm going to have to agree with you.
Watching so yeah definitely Cynthia's, Synthony one and then Ariana like 1.1 like barely.
I loved watching the behind the scenes of these two like when they got their like one

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watching their auditions and two when they got the call that they had been cast.
Cynthia's amazing.
Ariana's like really spoke to me.
I just love when she finds out.
She just burst into tears and she's just like I love her so much and I'm going to take such
good care of her.

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It's incredible how much the the world of the Wizard of Oz means to these two women
and the love and care that they put into these two characters is unmatched.
Like I don't know like like I've said in this episode.
I don't know a lot about the lore of the Wizard of Oz.

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Like I only know the movie and now I know part one of Wicked.
We know half of Wicked.
Yeah we know half of Wicked.
But just seeing these two behind the scenes how much this not only this story but just

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this world means to these two it brings a tear to your eye and just watching how much
love and care.
I know I already said that but truly how much love and care that they put into not only
these roles but this world.
It's remarkable.
I love these two women so much.

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Oh dude they were so good.
They truly took care of their roles here.
Apparently Ariana refused to do a lot of stuff that they were suggesting.
Like they were trying to hip hopify popular and she's like no we're not doing that.

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I'm like hell yeah.
God I love her.
I love Ariana so much.
And speaking of freaking popular Ariana looked like she was having the time of her life.
She did.
She was so unhinged in the best way possible.

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I feel that that one and I feel the other one that you could tell that they were both
her and Cynthia were having a great time was what is this feeling.
They were having an absolute blast.
It was a treat to watch them on screen.
Oh my gosh it was so good.

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It's freaking good.
Like that I think popular is what sold me like entirely on the movie.
I was already sold.
Don't get me wrong but it was just like seeing how much fun like she was having on screen

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was just perfection.
I loved when she was like laying on her back and like pushing herself across the floor
like around the little cot or whatever.
Dude they just let her freaking do whatever the hell she wanted.
That's genuinely what it felt like.

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Just like in the best way possible.
I loved it.
Loved her performance.
I loved Cynthia's.
Hers was so good.
I love their performance together when they were doing the dance in just like complete

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silence.
When they first do the hand touch freaking just tears man.
I've said so much in this episode how much this movie made me cry and I don't care.
I'm proud to admit it that I teared up multiple times watching Wicked.

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Yeah it's so good.
Alright who would you have as your number three?
This one's a little tougher huh?
Yeah because like the cast overall is really solid.

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I probably give three to Michelle Yao.
Yeah?
Yeah I really liked her as Madame Marble and freaking like I was you know because I sorry
not Madame Marble Madame Morable sorry.
Like since I don't know anything about Wicked seeing her actually be working for the wizard

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that like freaking took me back and I'm just like oh shit Michelle Yao's a bad guy but
she's great and yeah I loved her throughout.
I especially loved her interactions with Glinda and how she would she would literally just
freaking just throw her not throw her under the bus but just like treat her like shit.

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Just be like she's like because when she gives her the wand and she's just like oh I can't
believe that you're finally you know like seeing my potentials oh I don't see any potential
I don't think you have anything there but Alphaba wants you to attend our our sessions
and if I don't let you she's not gonna do it anymore so.

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I can't afford to lose her more than I can afford to gain you.
She was so freaking harsh.
Best one was when they're meeting the Wizard of Oz and you know she arrives and Alphaba
is just like oh my gosh I can't believe you're here for you know here for me meeting the

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wizard and she's like yeah of course I could not miss your big moment.
She looks over to Glinda and apparently neither could you.
She was perfect for this role.
She was so good.
She was so catty I loved it.
Yeah.

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Yeah I actually would give my number three and this was a surprising one for me to Jeff
Goldblum.
His wizard.
Was.
I don't like it's his wizard is odd.
It's like.

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I know now that I it's like you're never really supposed to like the wizard.
But I or at least in like the Wizard of Oz I realized how shitty it was that he like
how he did what he did.
Just kind of like bounced with with frickin Dorothy and kind of like is like the same

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deal here but like you kind of justify it in the Wizard of Oz because it's like oh he's
just like an old man like a really like nice kind old man.
And with this version of him I'm like yeah you could totally tell that he's just the

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worst person.
Yeah you know honestly now I'm thinking it'd probably be like a coin flip between Jeff
and Michelle like like I would say I love them that that much both parts because yeah
frickin he he was amazing and frickin I don't know about you but the whole like the frickin

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like floating head that shit looks so cool but also like terrifying.
It's like yeah I would love to was any of that practical.
I have to believe it wasn't I swear I don't know like I've heard like a lot of stuff was
practical but then a lot of people are saying like unfortunately like a lot of it looks

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CGI CGI.
Yeah I'd be very curious like what is practical and what's not.
Yeah because it definitely looked like there was some practical stuff to it.
Yeah but yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised to learn like that's some if not most of it
was was CG.

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But yeah so what do you give an acting.
I feel that everyone was great like honestly I can't think of anybody that didn't do a
great job.
So I think acting I think I'm gonna go in 96.

(01:53:06):
I'm actually just barely below you I'm sitting at 94.
Hell yeah.
Yeah the only reason I'm docking is because some of those munchkins dude.
I hate those munchkins.
All right I have to know what is your opinion on Bach.

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Bach's kind of a shit guy.
Yeah I feel bad for Nessa Rose.
Dude okay I okay I know you're the wrong person to ask.
Does Nessa become the wicked witch of the east.
You know what that's a really good question because I've like seen like clips or bits

(01:53:53):
about that I don't know but like from what I've seen like she might.
I hate that I don't know enough lore about this shit that I can't answer this question.
Yeah because I was thinking about that I was just like wait if like because I was thinking
back to like Wizard of Oz I was like hold up Dorothy drops a house on the wicked witch

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of the east.
Yeah so I think for how much in the west like who the hell yeah which of the east.
So I'm assuming for how much they foreshadowed the shoes the the the slippers.
I if I would put like a strong punch on the fact that she is that she does become it.

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I really hope they address that.
I hope so too.
I'll say this this is what I want from part two I want them to like they've already teased
cowardly lion.
I want them to tease the tin man because obviously like according to some lore there's a frickin
like Bach becomes the tin man and I want to them to address the the wicked witch of the

(01:54:59):
east.
Yeah.
Because that that would put a whole new frickin scope on like on that world.
Yeah it would.
Yeah and like I would absolutely feel like yeah frickin screw you Dorothy.

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But yeah anyway I'm moving on over to character development which I think this could easily
be done on both Glinda and Elphaba.
Yeah definitely.
I feel that it's I feel it's solid for both.
I feel we definitely get a little more character development from Elphaba I feel.

(01:55:49):
What would you say?
I would disagree.
I'd say it really got a bit more like she goes from someone that like really only cares
about herself to someone that like it seems to care about Elphaba.
Like yeah it's just by the end of this movie she's kind of like fully team Elphaba and

(01:56:12):
yeah that's true.
And like I said if this turns out to be like they're like a huge betrayal at the end like
I'm going to be really devastated.
I don't know the way that she's like acting at the beginning it kind of seems like it
does lead into that.
I know that's what I'm so worried about it.
I'm like how do we get there?

(01:56:34):
Yeah but yeah no you're right.
Yeah I take back what I said yeah definitely Glinda gets the most.
Elphaba still gets some you know development from you know a way that she finally thinks
that she can like actually like I feel trust people like minus minus Glinda.

(01:56:57):
But like what the hell dude I have no idea what the hell is going on.
But like you know looking past Glinda she feels that like after the whole dance after
being ridiculed but then being accepted even though like she's a little hesitant she like

(01:57:17):
finally feels that people are starting to accept her and it's nice seeing that.
But then of course once they get to the Emerald City what she goes through with the wizard
and then freaking just everything turns on her them saying oh she's the wicked witch.

(01:57:38):
She's the she's the villain you know get her you know like kill her you know like all that
shit.
So like it's honestly like you know like it's a great that it leads to her movement and
who she becomes as a character but it's also really sad seeing how many people just instantly
turn on her.

(01:58:00):
It's really sad but absolutely agree with what Caleb said about Glinda.
It really is a nice character development seeing how she starts off with as she says
in one line like oh that that's a first for me I didn't get my way to completely seeing
where Elphaba is coming with her cause and being on her side and just literally accepting

(01:58:27):
her not only as a person but the connection that they have and them becoming such amazing
close friends best friends.
It's amazing excuse me it's amazing character development on both sides and I love it so
much.

(01:58:49):
Yeah they do a really really good job with that.
Yeah for those of you watching the video I don't know what the hell happened with my
camera.
I am just now talking to the All Bros logo.
Oh man I'm gonna try restarting this page real quick so one second.

(01:59:15):
Never mind that might be a bad idea.
I want to delete everything.
I don't know if it would or not but let's not take the chance.
Yeah let's not play that game.
Yeah certainly we've been going for over two hours.
Yeah let's definitely not.

(01:59:35):
Oh yeah I agree like the development like it's definitely like you can tell it's it's
halfway there and I think that's obviously like the situation that we're in so we can
only base this off of the half that we've experienced so I think both Galinda and Elphaba

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are in a place to grow their characters very strongly.
They're both basically rock bottom.
Like Galinda's she like we know she eventually becomes the good witch and she like so like

(02:00:27):
right now she's dealing with like discussing things with like the wizard and stuff so like
the wizard and like her instructor and everything they don't really like have any faith in her
and so it'll be interesting to see how she obtains that and then Elphaba's just become

(02:00:49):
like magical PETA like defending the animals.
Yeah so that's I think that there's a good but she's like she's also just lost everything

(02:01:10):
that she's known so I think that there there's really good building blocks for where these
characters get to and like how they become who they are once the events of the Wizard
of Oz happen.
Absolutely.

(02:01:30):
So I don't know character development this this wasn't like the the best shining moment
but it was definitely above average for me so this is probably probably gonna sit like
an 84.
Okay I think I'm gonna set at a solid 90 for character development.

(02:01:55):
Fair.
All right moving on over to effects.
This had no business looking as good as it did.
It did not like holy shit.
And some of these sets were ridiculous.

(02:02:19):
Yeah dude from Munchkinland to Shiz University just like everything just looked amazing.
F those Munchkins.
Okay but yes F the Munchkins but you have to admit Munchkinland looked amazing.
Yeah it was it looked fantastic.
And I was really concerned once Elphaba started like flying that that was gonna look bad.

(02:02:48):
I was so wrong.
Oh my god it looked incredible.
Holy balls dude.
And she's like dude I just like this towering figure and just like with her cape flowing
in the sun and just like she's just this holy majestic flying beast like I was like I was

(02:03:11):
cheering dude I was like hell yes.
It blows my mind that Cynthia Cynthia Revo did all of her own stunts for this movie while
singing live like she sang she freaking sang live and did her own stunts like that is just

(02:03:31):
insane.
Dude she is a champion.
She is.
Yeah she is she's amazing.
She is absolutely amazing.
And genuinely very very few problems.

(02:03:51):
I think the the practical sets were just the nicest touch.
And they had enough of that like otherworldly architecture.
Like I couldn't get enough of the library.
Right oh my god that scene just freaking like yeah like all the the whole like going through

(02:04:13):
the rotating books that was just incredible.
Yeah is that the most stupid way to or like to place your books.
Absolutely but did it look dope as shit.
You're damn right it did.
Is it incredible in a musical musical number.
Absolutely.
Oh my gosh.

(02:04:36):
I I'll be real if that wasn't wasn't real it'll be very devastated.
It looks so good.
It did.
And then yeah all the hell I think the only like CGI that I felt like looked fake were

(02:04:58):
like the animals.
They were like noticeably fake things.
Yeah but I mean even they looked good.
Yeah yeah it's it still looks like really good CGI and so I'm blown away that the budget
was only 150 million.
Goodness.
That's really good.
I am so disappointed in these movies that have just the most outrageous budget and then

(02:05:25):
their CGI ends up looking like freaking dookie.
Yeah like what in the actual hell and then you got these movies that are on a tighter
budget that look this good.
Yeah seriously.

(02:05:45):
Like math isn't math in like if I know I was an investor and I was I was like if I was
funding a movie and I was like yeah you got this much to work with go as practical as
you can go.
Yeah push the limits of that.

(02:06:08):
Like because those freaking ass assholes doing CGI are going to charge you up the ass.
Like sure are you are you going to be able to pump out a movie a little bit faster.
Sure is it going to look like shit.
It might.
That's the risk you take doing CGI.
You know what's not going to look fake as shit.
A real ass set.

(02:06:32):
Exactly I think that's another reason that I was like so disappointed in like like just
going back to like the Iron Man like nanotech because that's when they went full CGI with
the suits.
Just doing practical.
Yeah it's true.
So I super impressed with this.

(02:06:52):
With the effects here.
Everything looked good.
The choreography was amazing with some of these.
With some of these songs.
Yeah the what is this feelings choreography definitely stands stands out to me the most
and I feel it's been the one that like is freaking plastered all over tick tock the

(02:07:15):
whole like when they're holding the books and like padding on them and just the freaking
that dance number I feel is like freaking just plastered all over social media right
now.
And you know what I understand why because it's freaking great.
Oh yeah absolutely.

(02:07:37):
So I have very very few complaints so I'm probably going to put this on the same level
as like now I led I'm giving this 95 like so few complaints.
Dude I'm going to freaking match you there.
Hell yeah 95.
Yeah.

(02:07:58):
Now getting into music.
This is the biggest Kada of the damn episode.
If you even joke about giving this anything less than a 10 I will personally come and
kick you in the nuts.
No I'm not even a joke about that because yeah dude if you gave it anything less than

(02:08:21):
a 10 I was going to bitch slap you through this computer screen.
Yeah listen I do not care for like first musicals and in some instances like a lot of my issues
is that some of the songs sound the same like some of this some of that like there's a number
of issues that I have with with musicals.

(02:08:45):
This is one the soundtrack is so freaking iconic like you can't in good faith give this
anything less than a 10.
If you do popular alone like yeah if you do you're lying to yourself and others and you
should stop.

(02:09:06):
Exactly like I'm not even the biggest fan of like a majority of the songs on the soundtrack
but I know damn well that they're iconic as shit.
Yeah so yeah I personally love them all but it's me.
Yeah like there's like one or two that I enjoyed out of this whole soundtrack but I know that

(02:09:29):
the others were like were well-written songs.
So yeah you anything less than a 10 you deserve a slap in the face.
Damn right.
Yeah so that one was easy moving on over to costumes I'll be real this one also took me

(02:09:58):
by surprise.
Yeah yeah good right in a good way yes yeah.
I genuinely was so impressed with the costume design like one for Elphaba but Galinda's
outfits were amazing and then all the munchkins too like all of their little outfits like

(02:10:22):
I mean yeah they were goofy and there were some times where everyone was like wearing
a uniform but when it came to like the dances or like the balls or whatever that seemed
very like well done and everyone that was kind of wearing like a very eccentric without
going like too crazy like the freaking Hunger Games did.

(02:10:44):
Yeah yeah like they kept it like subtle but like also kept true to the vibe of Wizard
of Oz like that was what I was most impressed with like when they were walking through Emerald
City I'm like yeah this 100% feels like something that you would have seen in like the OG.
Oh yeah absolutely freaking from the from the hair down to the clothes just amazing.

(02:11:13):
Yeah it was it was perfect dude and yeah I no complaints no complaints.
This is one I might also give a 10 to.
Dude I won't argue there I'm I'd be on the same level.
Yeah like for those of you that are unfamiliar the like the thing that I'm looking for when

(02:11:38):
it comes to giving a 10 to costumes is a is a iconic silhouette and that you can't get
much more iconic than the Wicked Witch of the West and Galinda.
No.
Like they nailed both of their looks.
Yep.
Like to perfection.

(02:11:59):
Yeah.
So yeah and then so I mean taking that into account I think Galinda and Elphaba easily
on their own would bring this up to like a nine but I think it was just throwing in the
munchkins and like everyone in Emerald City like I think that is just what threw it over
the top.

(02:12:19):
Like you could tell like you could pull any single person from that damn movie and like
just throw them up on a screen and you'd be able to identify them so quick.
True.
Yeah so easy 10 out of 10 with their all right.
Last up we got personal score.
All right who's taking it.

(02:12:42):
I'm gonna let you decide.
Okay I will go first because I know you enjoyed this probably a little bit more than I did
a lot more than I did probably.
Listen I say that but I did very much enjoy this movie a lot more than I thought I was
going to.

(02:13:03):
I I'm always hesitant about musicals and that's just my own like personal issues like and
it like I said again I don't care for expositional songs I like for the ones that push the narrative
and I felt like a good portion of those songs did.

(02:13:25):
So I look on this a little bit more favorably and then there are some songs that I finally
have the context for like the the popular like I feel like I've heard like bits and
pieces of that song but I've never understood the context of it.
And then same with the Defying Gravity one.

(02:13:47):
I know that's not the name of the song is it.
No it is.
Oh is it.
Okay cool cool cool.
Yeah so I again I wasn't super sure.
I actually didn't know where Defying Gravity came from until like the trailers and everything
started coming out for for Wicked.

(02:14:07):
I like I've heard the song before again had no context for it and this is like all right
cool but yeah the now having that understanding I love it like it great song popular is a
great song too but these actors pushed it over the top.

(02:14:29):
Ariana and Cynthia they killed it.
So personally I'm sitting at a 90 which is I feel pretty high for a musical for me at
least.
It is yeah that's like super high for Caleb.
That's awesome I love it.

(02:14:50):
Very very much enjoyed this and I will be watching this again once part two comes out.
Like I'm gonna just like I'm probably gonna do a back to back like I'm gonna watch this
and then boom straight to to part two.
Hell yeah.
So yeah Caleb definitely he can be hit and miss with musicals.

(02:15:15):
I love musicals next to horror it's my second favorite genre or maybe even first genre I
don't know.
I love a good musical.
I really do.
I grew up as a theater kid.
I love I love plays I love musicals I love all that stuff love it to death and so the
fact that you know I'd never seen Wicked and I finally am get I'm finally able to experience

(02:15:39):
it not in its entirety because you know we got to wait for part two but just seeing part
one and finally seeing this story be told between these two and just from the amazing
story to the amazing songs the character development how many times this damn movie brought me
to tears.

(02:16:01):
It was just amazing.
How many times total would you say you cried.
Probably more than I'm proud to admit.
At least four like we have about four.
Damn dude.
I know.

(02:16:21):
But yeah just this this movie was like you know I can't say like it was everything I
wanted it to be because I've never seen the play.
I didn't know anything about Wicked until I saw this movie so it was.
How do I want to say this.

(02:16:44):
I guess in a way it is everything that I wanted it to be but coming from someone that didn't
know anything about it.
For someone that wanted to know where these characters come from why their story is the
way that there is why their story is the way that it is.
Just it was it was remarkable seeing this story finally be told on the big screen finally

(02:17:12):
in movie format and it's crazy how long it took for the movie adaptation to happen because
the play is over 10 years old and so it's crazy that it's taken this long but you know
what if it turned out this good I'm totally okay with that.
Yeah it was so so good.

(02:17:34):
Yeah I don't I don't think anything else to say.
I am a little higher than Caleb.
I am personally and I'm curious if Caleb thinks that this is actually lower than he thought
I was going to give it.
I'm going to give it a 94.
Honestly no I actually thought you were going to be in the mid 90s.

(02:17:57):
Okay oh yeah.
So if you were any higher I think you would have freaking gone on about it a lot longer
than you did.
Like I got a couple messages like I've I know like the movies that you've given higher than
90 or anything higher than 95 you usually go on and on and on about or not like not

(02:18:19):
in like an annoying way just like the message like the message you you send is usually longer.
Okay yeah that's fair.
Yeah and then like the ones I know you enjoyed it and just like yeah like this this tracks.
Okay cool.

(02:18:39):
But yeah just it was it was great and I truly can't wait for part two.
So hell yeah.
All righty well going through these categories real quick.
Starting off with story we ended up averaging out at a 90 writing got a few points higher

(02:19:02):
sitting at a 93 acting got a couple points higher than that sitting at a 95 character
development was the lowest score on this sitting at an 87 the effects sitting there tied with
the acting sitting at a 95.

(02:19:22):
And called this one from a mile away music and costumes both have the same score sitting
at a perfect 10 out of 10.
And then our personal score ended up averaging out to a 92.
So with that the final all bros letter grade for wicked part one has come out to a.

(02:19:48):
Let's go.
Dude I was so curious I like I had a feeling like that it was the 87 and character development
was what was like leaving me with like like worried.
Yeah I was like is that 87 going to frickin bump it down to an a minus.

(02:20:14):
Nope no it did not.
Let's frickin go hell yeah.
All right so that puts wicked at a perfect 94 percent it barely got that like got that

(02:20:42):
because our cut off for an a is 94 percent.
So it did it that's all it matters it did it it absolutely did it it is our.
Let's see what is this our new.
It's in our top 10 it's the it's our number 10 of our top 10.

(02:21:06):
Let's go that is awesome.
So deserved absolutely.
So that puts it below Avengers endgame it is below Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles mutant

(02:21:26):
mayhem it is below the ballot of Buster Scruggs it is below Bohemian Rap City and then it
is below Spider-Man across the Spider-Verse.
All right yeah and then go in the opposite direction it is sitting above war of the planet
of the apes.

(02:21:47):
All right it is above Avengers Infinity War.
It is above and Kanto.
Okay is below.
All right it's a it's above sorry it's above Black Panther Wakanda forever.

(02:22:08):
It is also above Wonka.
You know what I can accept that.
Yeah and then finally it is above Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse.
All right.
Hell yeah.
Yeah that dude perfection.
That is a mate.

(02:22:29):
Oh my gosh.
I yeah I love its placement so much.
Yeah it's solid placement.
Very solid placement and I'm glad that it wasn't like super high into the A's like it barely
frickin scrape by.
Like I want to see just for shits and giggles.

(02:22:50):
Never mind.
There's no easy way for me to do that.
Never mind.
I was gonna see like what would happen if we would have dropped the character development
a little bit more but yeah like it barely it barely made it so it probably wouldn't
have affected that bad but anyway solid placement very solid placement.

(02:23:14):
Oh that's awesome.
I love it.
All right well unless you got anything else to say about that amazing placement.
That I do not.
All right well I'd say that this that concludes this episode.
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Next week on the podcast we will be breaking down Moana too.
So definitely excited to check that one out despite some of the reviews that I have heard.

(02:24:22):
Oh no.
Oh you haven't read any of the reviews.
No dude I've been trying to go into this blind.
Oh shit I shouldn't have said.
No no no it's fine it's fine like I saw it's really always always like the one trailer
and then I was like all right cool and so I've just been avoiding the smart like yeah

(02:24:43):
like no that's smart like yeah I haven't really seen yeah I think I only watched the one trailer
too but like all that I've heard from like a lot of people are saying like it's a decent
sequel it's not as good as the first that's what I've heard.
Okay fair.
It's not as good as the first but it's a decent sequel.
I'm like okay that that's that's all I need to hear.
So okay yeah I'm still very yeah I'm still very excited to check it out like to see Moana

(02:25:10):
and Maui back together again that's gonna be awesome.
Yeah but until wow but you can catch wow you can look forward to that next week but until
then this has been the Alvarez podcast I'm Jonathan and I'm Caleb and we will see you

(02:25:31):
guys next week.
What do I say now?
Do I say see ya?
Is that what I say?
Shut the hell up.
Yeah see ya.
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