Ep. 347: Sonic the Hedgehog 3 Breakdown

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What is up bros? I'm Caleb. And I'm Jonathan. And we are a couple of bros on a mission to

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give you guys the most detailed movie reviews out there with as little bias as possible.
Welcome to the all bros. This week on the podcast we are joined by a very special guest
one of co-worker bros? Not anymore but yeah yeah yeah friend yeah good friend. Yeah not

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co-worker anymore. I would more friend now. Yeah. Yeah so we're joined by a friend of
Rose new new friend for me I guess. Yeah what do you mean? Yeah. For how often he's listened
to your voice kill I would hope that you guys would be friends by now. Yeah he's one of

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the probably one of the three people that show up on our Spotify wrapped. I actually
think you guys generally were on mine I'd have to go look again but you guys were in
the top for sure in the top five. Yes. I freaking love it listen the podcast one I'll share
all day the music one dies with me. Same. I had a very basic bitch year and I'm embarrassed

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to talk about it. You know what I'm embarrassed about is that if it came out sooner I'll bet
you money that the wicked soundtrack would have made my top five easily. Popular would
have probably been my number one most listened to song of 2024. Oh my gosh. Hey it's Mike

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and T. And Grant. And Billy. And we are the family Hollywood podcast and you are listening
to the all bros podcast the best movie podcast that is not us. Yeah second best. Yeah. Yeah
that's they got it. Don't say best. They got some decent reviews. If you start lying to
the audience right away they're not going to buy anything you say. I mean yeah no but

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they have awesome mediocre views on movies. Yeah they're fine. They're fine. So keep listening
for more of that. Anyway so this week we don't have anything in weekly watch because we were
a little lazy this week or I didn't have anything I've been watching TV shows because all the
I'm sorry. No I was just gonna say all the ones I've been watching like I have a bunch

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of movies to watch but I'm knocking out a bunch of shows that have just like finished
up or close to wrapping. So I've been knocking all those out. Like today I freaking binged
all of season three of what if kind of ass. Yeah. And it was literally he was texting

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me as he was watching it throughout the day behind. You can't you cannot believe what
they just did. Yeah it was the worst. I haven't watched since season one. I didn't I didn't
I didn't know they were on a season three. I'll be honest. Season two is not much better
dude. Like to be honest like they had they had an overarching story and it was just like

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like people basically the watchers bosses getting mad at him for intervening. And it
was just him like messing with stuff and then they're just like he can't do that. And then
boom next episode. So a lot of the episodes were just like fillers and just like there

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was one that was kind of cool. Yeah there was one that was kind of cool and it was the
one that was supposed to be taking place in 1872 like Wild West and it was like Shung
Chi and Kate Bishop. So that one is pretty dope. But the like the overall like story

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like they I hate what they've done and they've tried to like connect it. They've created
like their own frickin continuity but they don't really like follow it all that well.
Like they at the end it's just like we got Captain Carter as like the leader. We got
the new hero that they invented force in season two and then you had of Storm variant and

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you had a completely original character as like the main four people. And I'm like dude
why do we care about any of these. Like listen I love Storm but you're not like this is what
you did with frickin like the Thanos or the Kingslayer Gamora in season one. Like you

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just kind of like she was just there. But you didn't really give us much of a backstory
for that and they did the same deal with that. And I'm like gosh like frickin lazy. I hate
when they do that. Yeah. So it was like no backstory at all. Nothing providing the actual
character that we want to know more about. Yeah. And they ruined the essence of what

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if. What if is supposed to be like a fun little like one off story. They're not supposed to
connect. So the fact that they did piss me off. Yeah. In my opinion it was kind of crazy
that they were even doing a story because you're right. The whole point of that show
was just supposed to be about a bunch of what if questions. Like different stories and the

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fact that they all connected was kind of weird I guess if you want to call it that. At least
it was to me because I was expecting a bunch of different stories of like Marvel happenings
and the fact that they all just turned into one big story was kind of interesting to me.
Like they put it on like that should have been the place to like do fun fan things.

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Yeah. Like after Infinity War or whenever they introduced what if they should have done
like I like the Peggy Carter one. Like what if Peggy became like love that episode. I
thought that was sick. And then like what I wanted them to do was like what if the other

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half like disappear during the blip. That would have been a really cool story. Yeah.
Like all the originals. Yeah. If they were all gone like that would have been sick. Like
they could have done so much instead. Like but they freaking had to follow their own
stupid continuity. And I'm like gosh like you guys ruin it. And like and then when you

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find like that's what I liked about like the zombies episode too. I'm like hey that's cool.
You got your little one off. You found a concept that works for a larger show and then you
can go and do Marvel zombies. Like I would love like love to watch Marvel Marvel zombies
which who knows when that's going to freaking happen now. Yeah. I was going to ask if they're

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still doing that. Yeah. But I'm like I'm still on board with that. Like if you found a story
that works like obviously you could do a spin off of that what if if there's enough
buzz behind it. But yeah they just ruined what the show could have been and what I was hoping
it was going to be. And it bummed me out. And so yeah they left on a very not high note.

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The only episodes I'm sorry that I ever cared about was when they involved Hawkeye.
That's the only ones that I actually paid attention to. I'm sorry. Yeah. Like I watched
all of season one and I like I swear I watched like half season two but I gave up halfway through.
Yeah like this one they it's a lot of the new Avengers.

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Okay. Or it's like centered around them. So I mean they had like I said there was an episode
about Kate Bishop and Shung Chi that I think you might like. Just other than that. Make sense.
Other than that there's not anything to OG Avengers related. Okay. Yeah because one of

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them's like Howard the Duck and Darcy from Thor if they got married. And they had they had like
and so she had was it nine hours of labor to basically like lay an egg.
And then they just had to. And then this this egg got infused with cosmic like powers. And I'm like

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what in the actual hell is happening. And so they're like that was like the whole episode
was was party Thor first season. Yeah that was in the first season. Yeah. Yeah. So it's following
that timeline where Darcy and Howard the Duck met up. And so they like connected started going out

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got married had a family. Or basically or she had a an egg. The egg hatched and there there's like
this little baby and the baby the grown up version of that baby is one of the characters in the
finale. Yeah. And so yeah. And then they get this this is the worst part. They freaking named her

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Birdie. So she's Birdie the Duck. Oh my gosh. So yeah. And her yeah she just has like cosmic
beams or blasts that come out of her eyes. And when she extends her arm she has like she like
grows feathers out of her arms. Like it's the dumb shit dude. It really sounds like it should have

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been season one and done with what if. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah anyway I got other shit that I want to
watch but like I said I've been binging it all like I've been watching it all the time. I've
been watching it all like I've been watching or waiting for like skeleton crew to finish.

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Creature Commandos I'm waiting to finish. So I have a bunch of shows I'm like
just waiting so I can binge them all. Hell yeah. So that's what I've been doing instead of watching
movies. So I mean I just watched the first two sonics before I went and saw three. I still I
kick myself because I feel like some of it was implied with Knuckles. I still have not finished

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the Knuckles series. I really need to. I kick myself for that. The show I like the show personally.
I'm surprised you haven't watched it because of like Knuckles is your favorite character.
Yeah I know. So hey he is. No I just haven't gotten around to. I finished like I finished the

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first episode but you know it's been so long I probably should go back and just start from
the beginning at this point. It's worth it. I think it makes the spoiler alert the Wade Whipple
cameo. I guess you can call it cameo. I think it makes that a little bit funnier.
I'm wondering if the reason why he was in it so little is because of like the backlash that they

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got for Knuckles because it really didn't focus on Knuckles. It was more so Wade's story.
Honestly I didn't mind that. Yeah okay. Yeah I think it was I think it focused like because
technically like Knuckles just takes Wade as like his trainee. Like that's ultimately what happens.

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So like it's kind of just following Knuckles trainee. Okay my favorite was people saying that
they couldn't afford Idris Elba for that long for that many episodes. True I could see that being
the case too. But yeah like I don't think ultimately you needed to see the show for any

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thing to like hit. Okay I definitely will though. Like I definitely want to.
Hell you know I'll probably finally watch it this week I think. It's about damn time. You know it's
really sad like freaking like when they announced it coming to physical. I pre-ordered the steel
book got that like super super hyped. Still haven't watched it. What the hell is wrong with me?

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You're lame that's what's wrong with you. I'll kiss my ass.
What about you Michael? You watch anything good this week? Not much actually yeah. I did watch
one childhood movie with my girlfriend recently to show it to her. Have you guys ever heard?
It's gonna make me seem like such a little nerd. You guys ever heard of Hot Wheels World Race?

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No. No. Oh my goodness. It's a fun little movie of uh let's see if I can put it into a little
summary. So it follows this 16 year old kid who gets his license in the beginning of the movie
and he gets a perfect score on it. So he's hailed as like the best driver. That's what he calls

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himself. He's like I'm the best I'm going to be the best driver in the world and then all of a
sudden this crazy cool car shows up on his driveway and then it leads to uh um it opened like the car
opens up and then on the the radio in the car has this dude named uh Dr. Tesla. I can't remember his
first name. Dr. Tesla and then he is in charge of he's he's in charge of a bunch of different races

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from around the world to try and get what the the source of power that they're calling the wheel of
power and then essentially they're just trying to it's just a little kid movie of trying to win a
bunch of different races and trying to get the wheel of power which ends up being more than the
doctor can handle and then they end up uh doing something with it. I don't want to spoil it in

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case someone wants to watch it. It's called Hot Wheels World Race. It's one of my favorite little
movies that I've ever seen um other than that and then it is not it's it's that old you'd have to
you'd have to buy it or like pirate it. I didn't say that. Oh Caleb knows pirating all too well.

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Why are you freaking laying out my dirty laundry like that, Rose? That's my job man. It's my job.
I'm not doing anything. But that's all I've done other than Sonic 3 which hell yeah yeah and a bunch
of anime but that's I do that anyway so. Sick. Alright well with that let's just say we get

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straight into this week's breakdown. Let's do it.
Alright, getting into this week's breakdown. We are like we say we're going to be break

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or talking about Sonic the Hedgehog 3. Easily one of my more anticipated movies of the year.
Same here and spoiler alert I don't think it disappointed any of us. Not even a little bit dude.
This exceeded any expectation I had and my expectations were so freaking high.

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Oh but yeah so anyway if you guys are new to our breakdown system we have split movies into eight
different categories that we individually score to come to a final All Bros letter grade. The eight
categories that we score are story, writing, acting, character development, effects, music,

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costumes, and then we give it our own personal score at the very end. All those numbers get
magically added up and spit through our algorithm and give us a letter grade. You can compare this
movie to others of a similar grade as well as a percentage that we can play or we can mess around
with the rank or see an official ranking and whatnot. So yeah so with that if you have not

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seen Sonic the Hedgehog 3, spoiler warning ahead. Rose is about to spoil the entire freaking movie
for you in our favorite segment that we like to call reading with Rose. Let's see how much I f this
up. I don't think it'll be that bad hopefully. Yeah so if you listen beyond this point and anything

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spoiled for you sucks to be you. So we'll post that spoiler banner now and take it away Rose.
All right in 1974 a meteorite containing a powerful hedgehog named Shadow lands in Oklahoma and is
seized by the military. Shadow's power is used for various experiments headed by Gerald Robotnik

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at a military facility. Shadow develops a close relationship with Maria, Gerald's granddaughter.
One night as Gerald, Maria, and Shadow try to escape the facility to prevent Shadow from being
taken away and the agent accidentally kills Maria with an explosion. Gerald is imprisoned
and Shadow is placed in suspended animation. 50 years later off the coast of Japan a guardian

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units of nations gun prison facility systems are hacked unleashing a vengeful shadow.
In Green Hills Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles are celebrating the anniversary of Sonic's arrival
on earth with their adoptive parents Tom and Maddie Wachowski. Gun director Rockwell arrives
and recruits Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles who Gun has dubbed Team Sonic to stop Shadow who is causing

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chaos in Tokyo. Shadow overpowers the three and escapes. Team Sonic meets with Gun commander
Walters who informs them about Shadow's past. Suddenly Dr. Ivo Robotnik's drones attack and
fatally wound Walters. Before he dies Walters gives Sonic a digital key card and warns him to keep it
safe. Team Sonic decides to find Shadow without Gun's help. Rockwell discovers Walters body and

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believing the three stole the key card turns against them leaving them unsure who to trust.
Team Sonic encounters Robotnik's assistant Agent Stone who reveals that Robotnik did not send the
drones they didn't oh my gosh sorry reveals that the oh my god reveals that Robotnik did not send

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the drones they form an uneasy alliance with Robotnik and track the drones to the abandoned
Gun facility. Shadow captures Team Sonic while Ivo meets Gerald his estranged
grandfather who activated the drones to lure him. He explains that there are two key cards needed
to activate the Eclipse Cannon an orbital laser heat design that can target any location on Earth

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and he intends to use it to destroy Gun's headquarters in London causing Ivo to join him
betraying Sonic. Shadow takes the key card and activates a black hole to destroy the base.
Team Sonic escapes using a ring portal and recruits Tom and Maddie to steal the other key
card from Gun's headquarters. During the mission Shadow gravely wounds Tom thinking he is Walters

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due to his disguise and and obtains the second key card allowing him and the Robotniks to launch
the Eclipse Cannon. Furious that Shadow injured Tom Sonic abandons Tails and Knuckles acquires the
Master Emerald and transforms into Super Sonic using the seven Chaos Emeralds contained within it.
Sonic rushes to the Eclipse Cannon and confront Shadow who absorbs the Chaos Emerald's energy to

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become Super Shadow. Sonic overpowers Shadow but relents upon realizing that he has been consumed
by revenge and spares him. Sonic tells Shadow about the loss of his guardian longclaw and that
their love for the people that they have lost is more important than revenge. Touched Shadow makes
peace with Sonic and agrees to help stop the Eclipse Cannon. Gerald reveals he intends to

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use the Eclipse Cannon to destroy Earth as revenge for Maria's death. Ivo prefers to conquer Earth
rather than destroy it and the two fight. Tails and Knuckles arrive and the three knock Gerald
into an energy field killing him. Team Sonic, Ivo and Shadow redirect the cannon away from Earth.
When its core begins to melt down Ivo and Shadow opt to sacrifice themselves to move the Eclipse

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Cannon out of Earth's range before it explodes. Ivo makes one final announcement to the people
of Earth and ignore there is so many grammar mistakes on this freaking plot synopsis.
I'm gonna keep having to catch myself. Ivo makes one final announcement to the people of Earth and
acknowledges Agent Stone as his friend before the explosion. In the aftermath Sonic reconciles with

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Tails and Knuckles while Tom recovers from his injuries. Sonic races with Tails and Knuckles and
Sonic overshoots the finish line and finds himself at a New York State park where he is attacked by
an army of Metal Sonics but is saved by Amy Rose. Shadow is also revealed to have survived the
Eclipse Cannon's destruction. Hell yes. Oh my gosh dude this movie's freaking sick.

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This movie lived up to everything I wanted it to. Well almost everything but everything I wanted it
to from the game at least and just following the second one too how good the second one was
and the fact that they could make three really good movies made me so happy.
Dude like I can't remember the last time that I've had this much fun with a trilogy and that they

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just get better and better with each one. Like I'm still like kind of outweigh like weighing it like
if I like the second or third one better out of the three like it's really hard because I'm a little
biased towards the second one because you know that's a Knuckles movie but just the third one is
just so damn good it's really hard it's like really really close. I'm in the same predicament

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with the second one because I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like I'm like
in the same predicament with the third and the second as well because of Shadow. Like I want
to like the second one more but the third one I just I think the third one's better personally.
No dude that's completely fair. They did they did so well with this movie.

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Like I don't know about you like I know that you guys probably had video game ties to like
Shadow and everything. My first introduction to Shadow and this is going to sound really freaking
stupid because I don't so like I've told I think I've mentioned it before on on the show. I'm not
the biggest fan of the Sonic games just because they are very like fast paced. I don't like that

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I can run off of the screen because then I'm just like oops and just yeah not the biggest fan of that
but yeah but I never played any of the games with Shadow in it. So my first my introduction to Shadow
as a character was they had these little Happy Meal toys for Sonic the Hedgehog at McDonald's

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and it was like these little like one button like little games that you could play right.
And so you could like push it was uh so the game that I got was a Shadow game and what you would

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do is you you would hit start like they had three buttons like totally like you had the start button
and then the two side ones and so you're riding on Shadow's motorcycle and then like something
would just kind of like pop up in your way or like yeah it would look like something was coming and
you push the button and you get out of the way and it looks like you're like grinding on a on a

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rail or something and then boom back to the middle and then you do like the same shit and
like left and right. That was the game that I had and that's an amazing callback. I have not seen
that since I was a little I had the Sonic, Tails, and the Knuckles one two I had the three like the
Team Sonic or whatever I never had the Shadow one I was so upset that I never got it as a kid.

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That's amazing that just brought back so many memories. Yeah so I got that and the reason I
remember it so distinctly is because that was the the day that I got that was the day that my mom
took me to go get my eyes checked so my eyes were dilated and so I couldn't see no I couldn't see

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shit dude and so I'm sitting there like my eyes like looking like big old freaking saucers holding
it like this close to my freaking face just trying to see what the hell's happening and keep dying
and I'm just I'm trying to figure out why the hell I'm dying but I can't like I said I can't
freaking see anything and I was like what the shit and oh yeah for whatever reason I really like

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attached myself to Shadow as a character. That's awesome that's awesome. That is fantastic. Yeah I
remember my mom yelling at me like don't put that so close to your face like
I can't see it. I found them that's that's amazing I love that. I don't know if I had any of them as

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a kid I feel I might have missed out on this let me want to take a look at the design. I can share
I think I can share my screen Jonathan. Okay yeah there's there's not many um happy meal toys that
I remember having the only other one I remember as distinctly as that was the um

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like the shark boy that when you like squeeze his legs together his like
shark chest like the teeth would kind of like pop out. Yes dude I yeah I freaking remember having
that. Is it one of these little guys? It sure is. I had the the shadow one. Yeah I think I just had

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the sonic one but yeah no I do remember these. Yeah I had that sonic the top left knuckles one
and that tails one. Those are the three that I had that's hilarious. That is so awesome. That is
what a callback I love it. Yeah I think I had the the that blue one like I think I had that blue one

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too. Like I had I had the blue one for sure as well. Yeah I had the shadow one for sure and then
I'm pretty sure I had the uh that blue one. That's so awesome. That's like that's so unique though
that that was your introduction to shadow that's like awesome honestly right. Yeah that's a great
introduction. Dude the happy meal toys now they freaking suck. They're so bad. Although I've seen

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that they like like some will like come in boxes now instead of the bags. I kind of like that a
little bit because like the box can kind of be collectible. At least like the ones that they
did for sonic the hedgehog 3. Those look pretty damn cool. I'm not gonna lie. I don't even know
like what those are. I are those like rollers or I don't know what the hell they're supposed to be.

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I don't know man. Yeah well Iris like we I've taken her to like McDonald's a few times and
I don't know what the hell is up with the McDonald's in our area. Every time we go we have like five
tails. Damn. Yeah no one loves tails. What's up with that? No like listen she loves tails. Like she

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is her favorite. What do you mean like other people? Like yeah. Wait her favorite character is tails? Yeah her
favorite character is tails. Hell yeah that's awesome. I don't know I'm just saying like nobody
else loves tails. Yeah well no it's just like after listen after like three tails in a row
like you'd like to see some variation. Like it's the same deal when they did Mario Kart because we

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got like three or four freaking Donkey Kongs and then we finally got a toad and we're like lost our
mind. That just tells me that like whenever someone would either get um they'd get a tails
they'd go inside and be like oh do you have Sonic? Do you have Shadow? Do you have Knuckles? Oh yeah
they would just trade it right back in and so like they like they have like an overflowing box just

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of tails. Like I could see it now that's there's nothing wrong with tails guys like it's okay if
you get tails as a happy meal toy just accept it. No funny enough for for Christmas I took Iris to
Walmart and we were trying to find something for for Brielle for Christmas and we were walking

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through and she's like well if we're getting something for mommy we have to get something
for for Levi and I was like okay so we were going up and down the toy aisle and she found a plushy
uh tails in the clearance bin so it was I thought it was like five bucks and I was like yeah not bad

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and so we we were searching and hunting down for for Sonic because she wanted to get him Sonic
and so I ended up finding Sonic like on a top shelf like just by chance so like I bought that
and I was already freaking like late getting her home and so I was like like oh shit oh shit and so

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I just bought them without looking at the price they 10 bucks each dude I'm like holy shit and
they're just like like damn maybe like yay big I'm like oh but yeah I yeah I ended up wrapping
both of them even though she she was the one that picked out tails because because I was just going

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to get the Sonic and she's like well no like we need like I need to have tails tails is my favorite
and I'm like well that doesn't make sense like like what's Levi going to get you and then she's
like well Levi can get me tails and I was like all right so I wrapped up the makes sense to me
yeah so I wrapped it easy tails I wrapped up both of them they unwrapped them at the same time

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and then she was so cute she was just like she opened it up and she's like oh thanks Levi
that's awesome you little dude yeah anyway yeah uh anyway we're talking about the movie
oh yeah I mean hey we're still talking about characters in the movie it's still sonic yeah

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dude I loved how like just the epic moments that they were able to make in this and then
like I think what's like what I love about these movies is that they could be goofy
and then switch immediately into freaking like epic
straight up yeah the the key change was to to see Jim Carrey dancing with himself as an older version

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of himself to two super saiyan sonic and shadow beings flying into space was was awesome
ah dude it is so good if there's anything these sonic movies are good at it's like
those action shots like yeah dude straight up like I know you didn't play sonic heroes um Caleb but

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freaking when sonic tails and knuckles jump out of that plane and as they're coming down they go
in formation tails sonic knuckles took me right back to sonic heroes I've oh I smiled so hard
I was a little kid again in just that moment that made me so happy so many callbacks to
the classic games it was fantastic man I love it like that shit was so so epic I love that I love

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the freaking like the line like right before they bounce no in-flight movie no snacks we're out of
here just yeah I'm like damn dude I love that I love that I love that I love that I love that
just yeah that's like that's a direct call from uh sonic adventure 2 I'm pretty sure that's how he
starts out the game he jumps he says those eggs that exact phrase and then just jumps out of the

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helicopter oh does he really yeah that's it's from the exact is the exact same phrase word for word
from the game I lost it when I heard that was like that's from the game oh man dude I wish I
I wish I would have done my research a little bit better on this because like those are those are
lines that freaking like stuck with me so like it's good to know they could they freaking hold

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up over over time like gosh so cool so freaking cool I heard there was a lot of that that stuff
like where people were just like ah that's from this game or like they could pick out
different shots and scenes where it was just like straight out of a game and freaking love that I

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love when you're able to follow the source material that freaking closely it's so refreshing to see
sorry Jonathan it's so refreshing to see a source material followed so well and not just completely
straight off in a different direction them actually like taking some amazing parts from
the game and then using it in the movie and like not completely changing certain things like in

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there like I want to do my own creative directive this way I don't think you should do this you
should do this to send to see them just copy paste from the game into a live action movie was so
refreshing it was really it was really nice to see it really was listen paramount if there's anyone
that learned their lesson about following the source material it is it is freaking paramount

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it is crazy how we went from that redesign that just the studio listening to fans we got that
amazing redesign and just cyber bowling worked guys yeah exactly yeah not all cyber bowling is bad
exactly do you imagine if they still had that original sonic and they still had this whole

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series planned out like it was just as good with that sonic oh my god it would have been so hard
to sell even it could have been exactly perfect and it would have been so hard to sell with that
design of sonic imagine that knuckles tails and shadow all looking like that oh my gosh
I think tails would have looked the worst oh yeah it's out of out of the three that still needed to

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come after sonic yeah like dude absolutely the hell not I I want to know what the plan was for
tails like you know that if they were planning on introducing tails in the in the original cut
like I want to see what the concept art looked like for tails I do too hopefully one day yeah

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but I think that's like a good that instance has been such a good almost like free marketing
for these movies because every time like it happened with sonic 2 and it happened with this
movie and like all these epic action sequences and they're just like all of this happened because we

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bullied a studio into changing something we didn't like oh man yeah it's like and yeah and now they're
giving us straight up copy paste like live action at like better like that's all we want to see we
just want to see the same shit and with better effects yeah no it's like that's exactly what they

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gave us that is exactly what they gave like literally the only change that I've noticed is
and I think like they wanted to do like a mix between sonic boom and like classic sonic was
that knuckles is just a little taller than what he usually is because usually knuckles is about
the same size as sonic but like this one he's just a tad taller than sonic but he's not as tall as he

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is not as tall as he is in sonic boom so I feel it's like it's like a perfect middle ground for
knuckles because personally I think he's way too tall in sonic boom but like for like other
characters yeah it's like literally copy and paste tails shadow literally the only thing
different I feel with sonic and I think it's just because it would be a lot harder to get

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his shoes like extremely video game accurate is that his shoes I think are just like a little bit
tweaked but I feel like looking at his shoes like it'd be a lot hard it'd be so hard to freaking get
those like exact for how they are that and then I feel like a mono eye like how it is in the games
would be hard to do in live action it would look yeah a little too weird to do in live action

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true yeah but it would be fun to see it in live action sonic four let's go come on yeah all mono eyes
oh man yeah I I freaking love these movies dude and as long as they keep on this freaking route like

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that it's a cheat code it's a money cheat code just follow the games and you can keep going
like it's it's just a cheat code yeah yeah and just do this with all your other freaking properties
yeah exactly like I I haven't seen it yet this is it's one of the show like I know it's probably the
show I'm going to start watching like as I'm editing this uh secret level that's on Amazon

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Prime have you guys seen anything about that I have not neither so it's like an anthology series
it's it's kind of like black mirror but it's video game based but it's everything that's been on like
PlayStation so they have like an episode yeah so they have like an episode that's dedicated to like
Pac-Man and then they have one that's dedicated to uh Warhammer like I forget what it's called

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it's just Warhammer 40k yeah um so they have an episode dedicated to that but the one I'm super
pumped for is they have an episode dedicated to Mega Man oh dude nice this is awesome this looks cool
yeah it's on Amazon Prime right now all the episodes are out oh it's out already oh that's

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awesome I can't wait yeah I'm definitely gonna watch that yeah so that's probably gonna be
another thing that I watch next time we record or probably the next time we record
oh yeah I mean I'm pumped for the Mega Man because I think I've always felt like I love the Mega Man
games and I think Mega Man would also make for a freaking sick ass uh series that'd be pretty sick

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would you prefer a movie or a tv series probably a movie movie yeah yeah bear
but I mean I'd like that would be a fun movie to go see I would love to see a Mega Man movie
a Mega Man movie yeah but I felt that like the two franchises that I've wanted like to see um

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actually there's three there's three franchises that I've wanted to see like live action
adaptations of because I think Mega Man would look sick and like for live action but I also want to see
um
why did I just freaking blank Legend of Zelda oh sign me up I'm all for that right there

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that would be so good and then I forget what I think that was fake Jonathan I don't think those
were real oh really oh yeah because it was just the same meme thing where they would just put Tom
Holland as a link oh that's annoying yeah I did love how people followed up and casted him for
every single character and they had a different poster in Legend of Zelda

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yeah uh and the Metroid Metroid's another one yeah yeah that would be a fun one killer yeah
they'd have I feel like they'd have to do something a little bit
different with her because she looks so much like a Halo character but I think they could pull it
off like I think that'd be that'd be a super fun thing for them to do so those are those are three

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franchises I want to see in live action freaking Mega Man Metroid and Legend of Zelda
I don't want like Sonic already brought one of my dreams to to life um Mario should just stick to
animated um we don't need we don't need to see another live action Mario movie we've learned

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animated is just fine um I don't know if they could make it work and I know like it's been like
talked about a little bit or like it's been thrown around for when people get asked about
what video game would you like to see an adaptation of what would you like to see
an adaptation but like like Grand Theft Auto or Red Dead Redemption like I'd be kind of curious

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to see what they could do that would I they'd have to do something like they did with Fallout
yeah yeah like they I don't I don't think either of those work as a as a movie yeah that's fair
I would freak out to see a Red Dead movie though or I mean a TV series that would be amazing

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and just bring back all the voice cast to actually like play the live action roles
that could work I want to see God of War too oh my yeah a God of War I heard that they were making
a God of War something I can't remember if it's real or not but that would be cool you have to
cast there's like two characters or two actors I would like to see that either the original voice

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actor who actually what's his name I can't remember his name though or uh I I don't know who you'd
cast other than the original voice actor I feel like he deserves to play he's already jacked he's
like six seven or six eight he fits Kratos perfectly yeah yeah the dude's huge he he's

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already the perfect Kratos like they don't need to go find anyone just use him for Kratos in
in a movie or a TV show it'd be perfect already yeah oh man but getting into this story
I'm out over every every all of the uh he's geeking out over all these strings

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oh my gosh like I this is why I was a little bit bummed out because I feel like I missed so many
no dude honestly uh I probably missed some too because like you know I played a decent amount
of Sonic games as a kid but like I like I didn't play Shadow um like my usually my go-to Sonic game
as a kid was Sonic Heroes um I think I didn't really like jump back into playing Sonic games

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until and I know this game sucked but like the first level was just so much damn fun uh Sonic
unleashed that's when I like really jumped back into Sonic games I have not played Sonic in a
long time I know I missed a lot too I had to be reminded about the live and learn when you texted
me that Jonathan I complete I was like that's right that was from the games do you honestly if

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Casey wouldn't have told me that um I probably would have missed it too the what the the the
the the live and learn song that they're playing um when uh Shadow and Sonic uh go um super
and like they do like that like badass like crossover yeah they freaking that was such a classic 80s like

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handshake to boom yeah the what the rocky handshake that they just transform
man dude that was so sick I wasn't expecting them to use the master emerald as much as they did
like I'm so like I was so happy with that and listen I straight up believe that we were going

(46:24):
to get a Sonic versus Knuckles round two dude same yeah like freaking when Knuckles was just
like we swore an oath to protect it together and even though I did get a Sonic and Knuckles
together and even though I disagree with what you're saying here Sonic I'm going to fulfill
that oath and I'm just like come on Knuckles like that's awesome like I love you for that but like

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I wanted round two oh man dude it was get I was I was getting like freaking ready for I'm like oh
shit like who's like someone's gonna get freaking rigged erect right now I was gonna end up on the
crossfire yeah I was pumped like the way like I love when Knuckles goes into like full warrior mode

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it is great like my favorite like scenes with with Knuckles is just when you first see him and he
like stops Sonic like mid spin and he's like do I look like I need your power yeah oh shit dude
freaking when um what is it when Jim Carrey's just like uh where are my manners let me introduce

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Knuckles and he does like the freaking like classic fist bump yeah I freaking lost it in the
theaters I'm like oh my god yeah dude he oh man this is just an acting thing Idris Elba can play
Knuckles so well because he's just like he sells like the whole like mighty warrior thing

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and then switches into that goofy mode like he could do that in like a freaking instant
his comedic time you with Knuckles is so perfect on every joke he hits perfectly
yeah like apparently I don't know if it's like for every take but apparently like he wears like
the Knuckles gloves he's recording the lines dude really good like just to feel the essence of the

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character like oh my gosh like yeah I'm just like I love you even more now Idris Elba
I love that he's not like everyone is like poking fun when he was like making fun of Tails
and doing the whole like haha you do look like a Pokemon and oh yeah and it goes that like does

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the pika pika thing like everyone's just like how much money did they have to pay him to do that
I'm like he probably loved every second of that yeah absolutely yeah but I love I love that like
I thought the the flow like everything flowed really well like everything made sense as to why

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they were doing different things like why they ended up teaming up with Robotnik and
and like why even like even Robotnik even the switch for Robotnik being like yo maybe this is
a little too far yeah when he realized that the that this thing that was supposed to be the like a

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like a dooms ray yeah Wednesday ray was just a freaking nuke
he's looking at his graph like hey maybe we shouldn't blow up the earth like I kind of just
want to control it like yeah too much yeah like I like that he tried to like sell he's like listen

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we could still like be evil and shit yeah maybe like less evil like this is a little too far
let's not kill all of humanity yeah completely destroy the earth like I'm evil but this guy's
crazy he was like damn dude and his little speech as he was like getting ready to die

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oh my god to agent stone I was oh I got choked up dude yeah the way he says like I love the way
you make him I'm like oh my gosh you're killing me yeah another thing that's a nice little
easter egg to the games too because in all the games somehow Eggman knows how to broadcast to
the entire world like his face so they just at the end they're like here like here's Eggman

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oh I love that I I let someone point it out that like one of the big things that they love about
these movies is that Robotnik just gets progressively more and more Eggman yeah yeah he really does
he's more Eggman I love the the suit at the end was almost exactly like the games like to a

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tee his dude like the red suit was perfect had the little like white stripes like the big buckle
things like perfectly in place like it was the final costume it was just I saw a behind the scenes
thing that they posted on their like Instagram or Facebook and the costume designer actually as she

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was designing that had like the like classic 3d Eggman picture sitting right next to her oh nice
that's awesome it was awesome dude and it like what I love about it too is like it makes sense
like they didn't just jump straight into like over the top Eggman like he just progressively got

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crazier and crazier and like and so when he is finally wearing the big suit with the big
freaking tails the big collar and everything like it tracks and you're just like all right cool like
we're here for this yeah it wasn't out of place putting him in at that point yeah like so good

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and I think like this like the stakes felt felt like super real too like you understood the
motivation behind like Shadow's decision because I mean dude the freaking montage with Maria I like
as because like you knew she was dying like everyone knew and so when you see like her

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introduced and like she immediately freaking won me over I was like oh shit I'm gonna feel things
I'm gonna feel yeah it's gonna hurt more than it should
yeah like when she's just like she freaking won me like when she was walking in I was just like okay

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like like kind of a sweet clat like little girl like all right like I was thinking it was just
gonna be very like cookie cutter and then she goes into the room with Shadow and draws a little
bunny face on him I was like oh no this is going to be adorable shit yeah just immediately like

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this is going to sting
oh but yeah you understood the motivation like behind what Shadow and Gerald yeah yeah Gerald
yeah Gerald yeah yeah what Gerald or the I'll just the professor I'll say professor Robotnik

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like you understand what they were doing and that they were just like done like all right like
like screw you guys and everything like everything about you guys like freaking eff it and yeah so
like that made sense Sonic's like I think they gave him a proper motivation when Shadow freaking

(54:13):
ka-ching like tie yeah I love that they did that to him too they didn't choose to make him like
all goody-goody they just like he had a legitimate reason for revenge and he almost takes it which
was super nice and refreshing to see it was yeah like that one of the like great things about

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this character of Sonic like he's not a freaking boy scout like he not an eagle scout yeah like
yeah like he will freaking take you out if he if he has to and I love seeing a mad
Super Sonic just ready to mess mess things up like he was ready and the fact oh yeah I'm so good

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yeah dude like freaking the um sorry just really the scene where um he's like Shadow is just like
giving shit to Sonic and just being like oh you promised that you would protect your fam
family especially what's his name Tom and freaking Sonic just comes in with that uppercut
totally shit sends him straight to the moon dude Sonic was Shadow was asking for that

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like straight up like oh my gosh like that that whole little
delivery was just I was even just like jaw on the floor dude I was like is he going there
yeah like perfect antagonist dude you really freaking doubled down he he like knows a meat like

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how exactly to press Sonic's button and he presses the one button that knows will get him
instantly angry in that in that situation yeah oh man yeah so when he comes in for the freaking
like that I think that's like the one time that I saw Shadow kind of like taking off guard

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because it's like that's Clomo just like right before he hits you see that
like the you see like the millisecond of actual like like oh like fear just in his eyes like
like oh shit
like oh shit oh so good and

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yeah I love like I dug all of that I I I do want I I really hope that they do more with
like I know you already said it got green lit like Sonic 4 I want to see the aftermath of the
freaking moon getting sliced at the ass yeah they they better address that yeah

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yeah I want I want to see that so bad I'm just like okay is the as the moon just going to have
a flat edge for the rest of the of the time like I want to see that
um gosh we had a perfect opportunity to see it too in the end credits scene with freaking
Robo Sonic I wasn't paying attention to the moon like that's the that's one of the things

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we would be paying attention to after or if I go or when I go see it again but really good flow
I thought the story was really well done I feel that um you know for how much the second one is
dedicated to setting up uh tails and knuckles um I was a little worried and you know I would

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completely understand that um they would get like completely sidelined in this movie because you
know this movie really needed to not only progress Sonic but like really establish
shadow wow shadow yeah right establish shadow as not only an antagonist but also how he how he um

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you know tur you know goes away from that like you know like he actually joins forces with Sonic
yeah you know um and you know definitely Knuckles and Tails aren't it aren't in it as much as the
second one but I really appreciated for the way that they told this story especially with you know
focusing on Team Sonic that they weren't completely sidelined that when it came to Sonic Tails and

(58:36):
Knuckles were still very much important so kudos to the writers and the director for one definitely
just not bailing oh well you got Tails and Knuckles in the second one barely gonna get
him in the third one this is Sonic and Shadow's show time yeah each character got their own part
and their own like thing to do which was really nice that they didn't just kind of leave out a

(59:00):
little like character maybe and even then they you could kind of say that with Tom and I can't remember
his wife's name because they Kurt were just kind of like Maddie yeah just kind of like out of nowhere
like but it is funny how they how Sonic came to them in his moment of need like we need help
like he goes to them like I mean this is writing but I love that that moment when he's like yeah

(59:25):
he's just like Maddie Tom we need Knuckles do you mind oh excuse me and he moves over
that was really good did you guys miss um the uh levels right oh my god so many reasons why he's
my favorite um did you guys miss uh the sister and her husband at all I mean I know they're in like

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one scene but I love the cameo it yeah it was a funny cameo they it would have been unnecessary
for them to be in this one it would um freaking uh I've mentioned him a couple times but um JC
that is like his biggest complaint with the second one he feels that the wedding scene

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especially like when she goes like full-on bridezilla was so unnecessary he he did not
like that at all it might have been but it was still funny oh yeah I personally think it's funny
uh but just it's always funny that if we're talking about Sonic 2 that's like the only gripe that he
has about it it's just that scene yeah the movie's perfect except for that yeah like I my gripe with

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I I think I had the same feeling that she was kind of annoying in the second one but that was
because I saw the second one after a really long period of time in between seeing the first
but okay since I saw the first and the second like really close together and then saw this one
like I I liked her a lot more because like obviously you see her like yelling like after

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she's tied up in the house in the first one and then when you realize that she's like she was left
at the house tied up and she's just like lost all fight in her yeah she's just like yeah like JoJo
put my Fitbit on so I could get some steps yeah oh that's awesome I also did that I also

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did that I also watched both because my girlfriend Becca actually hadn't seen the first two
before we went and saw the third so we immediately like binge watched those two and then the next day
we got we bought tickets for the third so it was hell yeah it reminded me of a lot of the stuff
that I was missing too because I watched them both when they came out in the theater and

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I think I would have missed a lot more if I hadn't have watched them back to back and then
watching the third one yeah honestly I feel the same because it had been I think the last time
I saw the second one was like shortly after it came to home video so like it had been a hot minute

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same same thing with the first way to show your age home video
I'm sorry the physical release because I'm seeing this year too
I don't know if it's like um I'm pretty sure it was like an actual like promotion

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and I'm assuming it's probably super rare but they actually made like NES um or no sorry Sega Genesis
uh cartridges uh that like said Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and if you like yeah if you loaded it in like you
got to uh it like all pixelated you got to like uh freaking view character posters get to watch the
trailers like it was really freaking cool that's really cool yeah I saw that they sent one of those

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to some dude who completely like bashed one of the movies or it was either the gate like he was
like I knew he it was something he had talked shit about like in regards to Sonic and then Paramount
like sent him one and he's like oh shit because he's just like yeah so yeah so he um yeah he did

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like a whole video where he's just like yeah so many of you like saw and like shared and and
and like retweet or reposted my my Sonic the Hedgehog video where I was talking about such
and such and completely shitting on it well and then he shows his dms and like Paramount sent him
a message and it was just like hey uh can we get your address or a PO box so we can send you

(01:03:51):
something and he's like I am 100 expecting a shipment of shit and then yeah they sent him that
little that little nes box and everything and he's just like wasn't shit yeah he's like actually
pretty sick and he says but they did make me have to go out and buy a Sega Genesis so yeah boohoo

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yeah but ah dude so good like every story freaking made sense and that's something I feel like a lot
of stories lack is there's just some motivation that's just like tweaked a little too much
where it becomes unbelievable but everyone's motivation felt real and like understandable

(01:04:39):
like I understood everyone like even freaking Robotniks and then like yeah once he like heard
that the planet and then he's and then us are going to be destroyed he's like uh wait no well
even with um older Robotnik and Shadow you can't blame them either because they've been stewing

(01:05:00):
for 50 years having that same trauma going through over and over on them so like it's it's also valid
for them to be I don't know about blowing up the whole planet but it is also valid for them to be
just as angry like like over what happened to them yeah yeah and I think like I think that's

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where it makes sense because all he had like with Shadow on Shadow's end he wasn't being reminded of
the things that like Maria was like stood for like how she was saying like oh my like isn't
it so cool that we get to see these things that have like long been gone like with the stars and
and everything so he was like reminded of that like with the conversation between him and Sonic

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and that like shifts his tone and he's like okay yeah Maria wouldn't want this and
it was it was a really nice way how Sonic brought Shadow over like it wasn't forced it was just like
gradually and then he used what the idea of Maria was to bring her like him over to them

(01:06:09):
yeah he was it wasn't forced it was like you she's not gonna want this like she would not want all
of this to happen yeah it was just Sonic talking and then Shadow coming to that realization
himself which was perfect like that is the way that it should have been done definitely I agree

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I agree and and yeah the only one with and then obviously like we said with with Gerald
like he was just fuming didn't have that he's just kind of psychotic lost his marbles
yeah Robotnik still or yeah Robotnik still had a little bit of his yeah he had a couple in the bag

(01:06:54):
yeah like he was close and then yeah like all motivation was good the structure was good like
I almost have zero complaints about the story same here honestly like I'm probably sitting at like
a 93 for the story like I'm pretty freaking high up there I thought it was really well done

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I can't even think of a slow part no like seriously I think this is like the like I mean honestly I
don't feel that there's um really that many slow parts in any of the Sonic movies um but for how
much like fan service this one especially gives and it's just like boom boom boom boom boom it goes

(01:07:39):
um at such a nice pace that like you were never bored it never lags and I appreciated that so
much especially for like you know like you know us who knew these characters um you know it of
course it never felt um like it was dragging to us but you know like casual people that you know
like probably don't really know that much about Sonic or his friends or like just like barely any

(01:08:04):
maybe just a little bit um I feel that um they I would hope that they never felt that the story was
um dragging that like it that it moved um on at a brisk pace or a nice pace
yeah the only part I felt that might have been like and like being really freaking nitpicky

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that I feel might have been considered a little bit slow was maybe the whole story was like
maybe the whole like planning phase to get into gun like the hq but I think I think that was
still done well enough but dude the freaking joke that they did where Tom freaking just unplugged

(01:08:50):
the freaking USB oh my god the Sega cartridge joke yeah yeah it tells me like scientifically
there's no evidence to back that and it just works instantly made me think of the um the scene in the
Super Mario Bros movie when they're like going through uh all the uh mushroom kingdom with the

(01:09:12):
toads and the one uh toad says oh we're just fine you just got a blow in it the freaking the NES
cartridge oh my gosh so good so freaking good but yeah I'm sitting at 93 with story where are you
guys at uh personally I'm just one point higher at you at a 94 I'm at I'm probably equal with you

(01:09:42):
Caleb probably go at 93 sick all right moving on over to writing
I think the the writing I'm going to be a little bit lower not by much though

(01:10:04):
but the freaking script for this was baller dude it was like I I like what we just talked
about the freaking blowing into the cartridge I love love that um I freaking love it like when
uh some of the fourth wall breaks like when Robotnik and and Gerald are looking at each other

(01:10:27):
and he's like it's almost like we're the the same act or like if we were in a movie being played by
the same actor and then look directly at the screen amazing fourth wall break I love the all
the different grandpa names that uh Robotnik had for his grandpa great my personal favorite

(01:10:49):
grand pop tart favorite one I think that was after he realized how crazy he was he's like
let's just think about this grand pop tart dude freaking that whole montage that they have
together which turns out is just freaking on VR of them like catching up that was

(01:11:09):
the freaking poor stone just feels like that was so sad I know
but I know it was like spoiled in like the promo but like the freaking where one word
Gerald is playing Santa Claus and it's Ivo like just being a little kid and he runs and tackles
yeah I freaking died dude we'll get into this with effects this is easily the most

(01:11:39):
impressive cloning like two like the two characters one actor effect that I've ever seen in my life
it was it was really hard to tell that it was the same act or the same actor yeah like that was it
was really nice to see that yeah I mean not only the prosthetics but just like they're like even

(01:12:03):
like just knowing that they're the same yeah seeing them interact with each other was just
it was crazy yeah but I'm also like fresh off of the flash and that that cloning tech was
freaking well everything is going to look better than the flash yeah but polar express animation
yeah but um oh gosh they oh the freaking uh the the black hole quinn sonic's like oh yeah oh you

(01:12:31):
think we're afraid of your tiny little ball and then it turns into a black hole and he's like okay
that's actually quite scary oh man I think Jim the way that Jim carries all his writing was perfect
and Idris Elba's knuckle like the jokes that he has are so perfect like his comebacks just

(01:12:56):
I'm having the love right now that's so good I also love how they included uh
uh Toby was that his name for the dog the dog yeah I love how they included him on some things
you stole my humans I freaking loved uh like I have one million percent muscle

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even my teeth are one million percent muscle and he grabs onto the chain
then he freaking single hand holds up that tank and he's like one million percent yeah and then in
the plane he says it and they repeat it like they say at the same time he's like oh good you guys
are listening man I love knuckles dude he's so so good Ozzy that was his name not Toby oh Ozzy

(01:13:53):
okay freaking the first interaction that um Shadow has with team Sonic is just absolutely hilarious
he's just like I don't look like you why do you look like me and so I'll ask the questions here
why do you look like me right back
man like dude I love frickin shadows just like monotone like reaction to them like he

(01:14:25):
you could tell like the instant he saw them he was just so over their shit
dude yeah like well you're a colorful bunch I just lay in like freaking I just love the line so much
when Sonic's just like you know we don't want to fight you let's talk about this and Shadow's just
like you jumped out of a gun helicopter there's nothing to talk about yeah damn yeah yeah you guys

(01:14:51):
are screwed oh my gosh like gosh there's so many good lines Agent Stone when they like split up like
you know it's uh Sonic with Robotnik Knuckles by himself and then Tails goes with Stone I love it

(01:15:13):
like the first thing that Stone says is just like I'm just gonna get this out of here right now
you are adorable yeah I loved that I was hoping at the end when Eggman was doing his uh final
livestream that he was gonna call Stone his best friend and he did in his own way but I was hoping

(01:15:36):
that he would say you were my best friend yeah yeah they had a bunch of like I'm just looking up the
like random quotes right now but Sonic when he comes in after Shadow freaking Bushwhack Tom
and he's like what did you do and he's like what I had what I yeah yeah yeah chills

(01:15:58):
yeah yeah oh damn chills seriously like seriously yeah I'm just looking to see if
oh Knuckles being like there's no such thing as a friendly ghost
yeah
it's fun I think that's like maybe the only thing that I would say would be considered

(01:16:23):
uh like context from the show like it doesn't really share that that Knuckles is uh like afraid
of ghosts but they do talk that he does like very much believe in ghosts and spirits and stuff
like they kind of touch upon that um let's see oh when Sonic asked him like one headshot to another

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who does your highlights he's like the more amazing the harder I want to hit you
amazing snap cube reference shout out to them
yeah Detective Pikachu
yeah or gotta go fast don't tell me you've got a catchphrase that's right new hedgehog and everyone

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loves it oh gosh I freaking love Shadow dude he's so good there's one that like
it's like one of the last things that uh Robotnik says I know it was in the trailer but I did love
the um he's much more impressive than the hedgehog I fought previously he's like I'm standing right

(01:17:41):
here standing right here
uh I especially love in this one when uh Knuckles keeps getting um not able to punch as much as he
wants like the whole like uh Sonic's in that scene he's just like we don't want to fight you and
Knuckles is like actually Sonic I would like to fight and Knuckles or Sonic's just like not not

(01:18:05):
right not now Knuckles and he's like oh man yeah or the freaking um when they're in London and he's
just waiting at the clock tower he's just like all right is it time to smash something like come on
please he's like I'm going to break the glass and then Sonic's like in case of emergency
and then Sonic's like in case of emergency

(01:18:31):
gosh like what was it oh my goodness I what was it when the black hole scene when it sucks half of
the mountain and Sonic's like someone better call Google Maps amazing joke
oh that was so good gosh I'm trying to find it's like his one of his final like lines like it's

(01:19:01):
like I think it's like right after he he talks about stone or the Austrian milk
but it's like a throwback line from the first movie it's going to give me an excuse to watch
it again but I know I already want to see it again same here just looking up I think I think

(01:19:23):
it's um if I can't rule the world maybe I should save it no no it's not that one that's that's
before yeah I know this must be so interesting for for people right now I gotta find that damn
quote because it it fucking rocked me to my core I do I know we talked about it a little bit before

(01:19:45):
but I I am curious to see if they are going to bring back Eggman or not
yeah I'm curious if uh Jim Carrey would uh I mean I've heard that he's broken retirement before
that yeah he broke it for this one so let's see if he does it again like is this all he's gonna do
and his retirement is just Eggman until he he passes yeah the only movie he wants to do

(01:20:10):
I mean he's so good at it like I wouldn't blame him
okay I found it I found it hell yeah it was when he he's just or he says like the like the one
final thing and then he does his little robot and he's just like it's been a real drag thanks for

(01:20:30):
nothing and then it blows up I'm like yes it's been a real drag yeah the the final robot was so
perfect you're right oh man I freaking loved this movie dude like so many freaking like banger lines

(01:20:52):
and oh so good and I love the the conversation between um
uh Tom and Maddie when like right before uh the team freaking showed up and they're going through

(01:21:13):
like all their different hobbies that they've tried
like oh this is so good freaking puppet Tom they're like yeah we don't need all that crazy
adventure and whatnot and they show up and they're like yes please take us away from this anything
but this we were so bored I love to get away from puppet Tom that's what she yeah oh yeah

(01:21:34):
great I love how his uh sweater that he knitted said do you want to get away from this
oh yeah great I love how his uh sweater that he knitted said donut lord too and had a bunch of
different donuts knitted all over it that was so great dude I hope that's what that's a freaking

(01:21:54):
sweater that uh that he got to keep I hope so too but yeah like I said writing I put a little
bit lower but I'm like I'm still in the 90 like it's barely lower like I'd be maybe 92
where are you what about you guys I'm sitting at 90 actually

(01:22:22):
oh for a second I thought I submitted my score oops
um so writing I think I'm gonna be at a 91 um I'm gonna point out this right now um I did change
my story score because I think I had myself up a little too much and so I did uh change it to
your guys someone take a shot Jonathan change the score

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so I'm the same as you guys had at 93
okay all right moving on over to acting first we got Ben Schwartz who plays the one the only
sonic then we got Keanu Reeves who did the voice for shadow we got Colleen O'Shaughnessy who does

(01:23:10):
the voice for tails Idris Elba who does the voice for knuckles Jim Carey who played Ivo and Gerald
Robotnik we got James Marsden who plays Tom the donut lord then we got Tika Sumter who plays
Maddie and then finally we got Lee Maja who plays Agent Stone all right uh what's your guys's top

(01:23:37):
three look like like is personally like I have a feeling like our top three is gonna look
pretty similar at least it's I maybe the top two at least will I'm curious I want to hear
your guys's first all right I'll go first all right uh my number one or no I'll go I'll go

(01:24:03):
number three first okay my number three I'm probably going to give to Keanu Reeves yeah
listen this was freaking close so freaking close but yeah I'm giving my number three to Keanu Reeves
uh voice shadow and the only reason he's he's there is because I don't know if he

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it's probably honestly just because he didn't really do a voice for shadow he just kind of
gave shadow yeah fair like I saw an interview with him talking he's just like yeah I wasn't
quite sure how I wanted to do shadow like I didn't want to do like really deep and gruff
because like we already got knuckles that that talks like that so I just did something a little

(01:24:49):
bit more neutral I'm like you just talked dude that like you all you did was give shadow your voice
yeah um it was very John Wick sounding as well yeah yeah or any character like that fit shadow
the best yeah yeah definitely yeah but uh my number two I'm giving to Jim Carrey because

(01:25:16):
having to pull double duty and rocking both roles was fantastic yeah I love that everyone like
like as but she kind of shitting on him unnecessarily I might add but they're just
like because he was talking about like what it would take to bring him out of retirement for

(01:25:39):
Sonic 3 and he's like oh yeah it'd have to be like a golden script and everyone's like
the golden script and then it shows the scene where he's freaking spanking
hitting his stomach yeah he's drumming on his stomach no when he went freaking uh Gerald had
uh I have a bent over his knee oh I get the final fight and just like watch the big nano hand yeah

(01:26:10):
which that whole fight scene was was so funny I love that was really funny tied into the uh
the animal aspect of of Robotnik a bit and like cuts his his mustache and he's like that's elder
abuse yeah but yeah I loved his performance in this um and then my number one is going to Ben

(01:26:32):
Schwartz like his Sonic is just perfect like he to me he is like the voice of Sonic definitely
agree there yeah what are you thinking Michael I I I like your one for sure Sonic the heat
just he killed it in this Ben Schwartz killed that role you're right he is starting to become

(01:26:57):
what I think of when you hear a sonic voice now I think of him and still Roger Craig Smith
but uh I think for number one for sure is him and I'm gonna probably I probably change
your two and three I go Keanu and then Jim Carrey I go Keanu as number as two and then yeah

(01:27:17):
Jim Carrey is three that's probably really understand yeah what about you Rose uh so number
three I would give to Jim Carrey um because I will there are sometimes that uh Gerald kind of got a
little too much for me um but credit where credit is due him playing two parts he was magnificent

(01:27:44):
he was fantastic um loves Ivo every single bit I I love his original Eggman um number two I'm
gonna actually be different than you guys I'm gonna give to the Ben Schwartz um Dungmer I love his
Sonic I I love it um yeah um I he like you guys said like he has become the voice that or he has

(01:28:10):
become yeah he's it's the voice that immediately comes to mind when I think of Sonic like Ben
Schwartz's voice that's Sonic um so he was fantastic especially with like the dramatic scenes that he
had to do phenomenal but and I know he didn't really change his voice that much but I I gotta
give number one to Keanu Reeves I loved his shadow in this I thought he did fantastic I thought he

(01:28:38):
did fantastic his emotional scenes when he's talking about Maria um his interactions with
everybody else just I don't know what I loved I I loved hearing Keanu Reeves voice come out of
shadow and I thought he did a fantastic job uh with what um what needed to happen and especially

(01:28:59):
for uh the hype that surrounded um the introduction of shadow um I don't think they could have picked
anyone better than Keanu Reeves he was the perfect choice to play him so when I think of shadow now
I immediately think of Keanu even though I've played the games all the time like his voice
fits so well for shadow like I didn't I was very I'll be honest I was I like Keanu but I was still

(01:29:25):
a little iffy when I first got announced but hearing hearing him act and the whole like his
emotion when he was angry at for what they had done for him done to him with Maria and just like
the overall fight scene with him and Sonic him yelling at Sonic that like it you're right it is
a very Keanu voice but even still he knows how to throw emotion into voice acting as well which was

(01:29:48):
very cool yeah dude Keanu is such an interesting actor because he's like
gosh like I feel like an asshole saying this like I don't I don't think his acting quality is super

(01:30:09):
like super great but he I think it's just his he has like a charisma about him that just like
wins you over and you're just like yeah like especially when the like he plays
himself like there's a movie that he's in like where he plays himself gosh I forget what it's

(01:30:40):
on Netflix it's like it's like a plus one or whatever movie like talk like these two friends
that are like will they won't they kind of deal but so one of them's going on a date with
frick with Keanu and and like ends up inviting her friend and so yeah he shows up our Keanu shows up

(01:31:05):
to this dinner it's like a super high-end like fancy like whatever dinner and so you get to like
listen to like the sounds that the animal made while they were eating and so it's like
while you eat and so like yeah so like the couple it's like Randall Park and uh someone else

(01:31:31):
I forget what her her name is but they're like sitting at the table and they're like arguing back
and forth and then kia like Keanu's sitting at the table and like with these giant headphones on
like eating his steak and then he just like looks up and he's like I'm sorry and then just keeps
eating his steak and he just plays like this super hippie dippy like version of himself and it's so

(01:31:58):
freaking funny I'm like I like there's something so charming about an actor that can make fun of
himself yeah and he's one of those one of those people like he I think if there's anyone that can
make fun of himself like it's him and I think like he encapsulates like shadow and shadows like not

(01:32:23):
necessarily saying that shadows someone that can like make fun of themselves but more I'm just more
saying like um I don't know it's just the gruffness of shadow but still being like kind of charming
he has a great way of portraying everything that's happened to him but still not being like

(01:32:43):
it's still being a likable character at the same time yes yeah like I don't know it was it was
funny like watching like the interaction with Maria where Maria's like throwing popcorn at like
basically like picking on him or like just getting like light teasing and he's just kind of like
kind of staring her up and down like she's an alien but just but still just freaking like taking

(01:33:07):
it and then like pulling her around like on her skates and everything like doing all that like
fun stuff like he's going for it but he just looks like he's angry all the time and it's I
think that's a fun character for him to play definitely
but uh anyway where are you guys sitting with your with your acting score then

(01:33:34):
I feel that this one is hard because like I can't think of anyone that didn't bring their a game
like freaking you know uh Jason oh my god Jason I almost said Jason Schwartzman wow Ben Schwartz
once again incredible sonic Keanu Reeves uh I don't know if you guys know him but he's

(01:33:55):
Keanu Reeves amazing addition Idris Elba of course amazing again his knuckles um
shit I forgot her name that uh plays tales uh Colleen O'Shaughnessy I think it's thank you
Colleen O'Shaughnessy which I got to give them the casting so much credit because it was

(01:34:16):
such an incredible choice to bring the actress that played him in the games and have him voice
and have her voice him in the movies because honestly like that voice like I know other
people play tales in the past but like tails has such a distinct voice that if like they got like
a big name celebrity and like tails voice was just like a little off I would have been like freaking

(01:34:38):
irritated I'm gonna be honest like it it wouldn't have felt like tails um so the fact that they did
that I love them so much for that um just James Marsden and um of oh shit thank you um
uh what is her name that played Maddie I don't Tika I can't remember her last name Tika's uh

(01:35:05):
I'm so bad with names uh Tika Sumter she she was great both of them are you know like definitely
smaller roles uh than the previous two but still had so much fun watching them again on screen
and then of course Jim Carrey fantastic like you said sometimes um Gerald was like a little bit
too much for me and I don't I I can't exactly pinpoint it I don't know why he was but like just

(01:35:30):
some points that he was he was a little too much for me um but like I can't deny that Jim Carrey was
uh incredible in both roles like absolutely phenomenal um so like I think acting wise
just because I I love this cast so much I love the voice voices that they picked like each voice

(01:35:52):
that they pick for these characters is perfection like they couldn't have picked anybody else better
so I think acting I'm gonna go a 94. I'm gonna probably let's see I enjoyed
I to kind of piggyback off what you said Jonathan everyone killed this role like there wasn't any
anyone phoning it in or anything to it they everyone brought their a game that just to hear

(01:36:19):
everyone take this seriously and I know it's the third movie but still hearing all of them take it
seriously and uh really kind of almost act like it's happening to them like Keanu like Ben Schwartz
calling O'Shaughnessy she's been killing it in the games for years but to hear her do it in the movie
just like just with the same effort was awesome I'm probably gonna be sitting I'm gonna do one lower

(01:36:47):
I'm gonna be at a 93. Yeah I think when it comes to the main cast like yeah everyone everyone brought
their their a game the the the ones that I had issue with were a lot of like the the like the gun
people like the the new the commander like I thought she was just a little

(01:37:13):
like I love that I forgot about her yeah like I love her like as an actress like I know she could
play like that that hard badass really well I just don't know if she she quite brought it and then
it's it's the same with like the guy who played uh uh uh what's his name the guy that Tom was

(01:37:37):
disguised as like Wilkerson oh Randall yeah oh no no no not Randall's the
Randall's the the the in-law right yeah are you talking about commander Walters yeah Walters
oh okay yeah like like when he like the guy who plays Walters like I think it feels like he's

(01:37:58):
like phoning it in just just a little bit like that I felt it like during the first movie and
then the same thing with the second that he's just kind of like phoning it in like he's almost like
he doesn't take the content seriously so but I mean they're they're so
like they don't affect the score too much but I'm I'm taking them into consideration

(01:38:24):
and I'm talking about that that commander the the chick who plays uh Jessica Jones she
Jones she when when Ivo what or like when they were like gravitized to the the floor

(01:38:45):
and Ivo was just like can you believe this and Gerald's just like yeah women in the military
I laugh I laugh so hard and I immediately try to like cover it up because there was like a lot of

(01:39:07):
people that didn't appreciate that I did the same thing I laugh Jonathan knows I have a very loud
laugh sometimes I did the same thing in my theater and no one laughed at that joke and I lost I
thought it was so funny oh man it's it's one of those jokes that just took so off guard

(01:39:34):
was not expecting that kind of a joke yeah yeah but it I think that's more what what got me than
the joke itself like it's just how just like boom like in your face it was like like yeah that it's
what I think that's what got me but um yeah I think I'm sitting at like an 89 overall I'm just shy of

(01:40:01):
a 90 I respect it all right uh all right moving on over to character development and I think this
did really well with with in regards to like kind Sonic and Shadow were kind of like following the
same arc obviously like Shadow was on the decline side and Shadow or Sonic was getting his challenge

(01:40:28):
like after Tom had been attacked and hospitalized and and everything like I think he had like a very
it was cool like seeing like he was had a very mature decision like all right well yeah we can't
like there's no using the master master emerald for this like for this mission like it's too
dangerous like it could fall in the wrong hands and then as soon as Tom's attacked he's like

(01:40:52):
we're bringing out all the freaking stops yeah and then goes into almost like a less hardcore
revenge mode yeah then uh Shadow's on to see him get kind of like consumed by anger but not like

(01:41:12):
all encompassing he can still he's just not not ready to completely turn but he's very
very angry and to see him not only him come out of it but it's Shadow who brings out him out of it
like to see that was really cool that he like Shadow was like the one that's like hey this is
not what you're supposed to do you're you're really gonna I was like what's that quote you're really

(01:41:35):
gonna let it go that far you're gonna go back down the same path I have essentially yeah like
yeah freaking Shadow got the freaking uppercut of a lifetime because of that that damn line
that he was he was getting his freaking ass handed to him by by Sonic and Sonic like like

(01:42:01):
it was interesting because like Tay or I think Shadow knew the plan was to blow up the earth and
and then that he wasn't going to survive like that Shadow knew it was a suicide mission
and so when he's like defeated by by Sonic and he's just like he's like he's like
he's defeated by Sonic and he's just like like do it like freaking like it's either happening now

(01:42:27):
or it's happening later like you like egging him on like come on do it yeah and then just pointing
to his own chest and then that's what like kicks in like Sonic's conscience and and everything
like I think that took Shadow off guard but I think that what that did really well is is it

(01:42:49):
his own confidence is that he's the way he is and I think that's who Sonic is as a character
like I think that's like what this story did really well in in in doing
slow descent into becoming more Eggman but also not fully agreeing with his grandpa.

(01:43:15):
Him being able to recognize that like, hey, even though I want to control the earth, I
don't want everyone to die.
Like seeing him like having the character development of being fully evil, then kind
to evil, then back to like evil and then like having a heart at the end was a nice little
character development thing.

(01:43:36):
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, it was really, really good.
It's interesting seeing a character like that because he's just, he wasn't wanting good
things for the earth.
Like he thought that they were just going to take it over, like blow up gun headquarters
and then it's just like, haha, now we have this giant weapon looming over your guys'

(01:44:00):
heads.
We're going to do what we say now.
I think that's where his mind was.
And then once he was just like, yes, it will destroy all of earth, including us.
And he's like, hold on a minute.
Hold up.
Yeah.
And then like, I only wanted to kill millions of people, not everyone.
Yeah, that's too far granddad.

(01:44:23):
It's a little far.
Come on guy.
Yeah.
And then, but yeah, just him taking that second to do that.
Because I, and I think it was Shadow, like he was like, he was thrown in the towel.
He's just like, well, whatever happens, happens.
Yeah.
And Shadow's just like, hey, this is our last chance to do the right thing.

(01:44:45):
And he's just like, okay, like what the hell?
Like if, if like that mentality of like, if I'm going to go out, I'm going to go out in
a blaze of glory.
I think that's exactly how, how his death could be summed up.
Like this was his blaze of glory.
Like how he said, he's like, if I can't, if I can't conquer the world, like I might as

(01:45:08):
well die saving it.
Yeah.
But I, but yeah, I liked that he had some priorities.
Yeah.
And then just in the, like in the final moments, like thinking of, of Agent Stone.

(01:45:33):
Yeah.
Not forgetting about him.
Like he still includes him.
Like it was, it was a nice little send off.
It was.
You know what I would really like to see come a fourth?
Like if they, like instead of bring a Robotnik back, like have Stone kind of become Robotnik.
That'd be a cool direction.

(01:45:55):
Yeah.
Like a live action to go with.
Yeah.
Like I have, I was gone.
So now he's just taking up the mantle of Robotnik and like, blame Sonic for not being able to
save him or like, I don't know, some shit like that.
Cause I mean, he has enough, like he idolized the man enough and like knew what he was doing

(01:46:18):
in regards to a lot of the, the heavy lifting.
So like I feel it's completely plausible for him to become the next Robotnik.
True.
Definitely.
But I, I enjoyed this.
I think this was like a definitely an above average, like character development.

(01:46:41):
I don't think this is like top tier or anything.
Yeah.
It's fair.
Like I might be like an 86 because like my average is like 75, 80 feels a bit low.
Like even 85 feels a bit low.

(01:47:03):
So I think, yeah, 86.
Where are you guys at?
I am one lower.
I'm at an 85.
Cause you're right.
Like it's not this crazy character arc of where it's like a complete 180 or just like
one, it's, it's kind of predictable.
Like you can see that they're going in a certain path, but it's also nice to see that how they

(01:47:27):
get to that path and to see how it's written into a specific way is really nice to where
it's not like they're not, they're not predictable.
And as if like they're going to end up in this certain like circumstance, but they can
bring themselves out of it.
They can realize what's going on and they can know like, I need to be doing this right

(01:47:50):
now.
I can't let this happen.
Yeah, exactly.
What about you Rose?
I think I'm going to be the same as Caleb and 86.
You know, for all the character development we got for Sonic in the first two, I really
liked that it just carries on over to this one.

(01:48:13):
Like you guys said, definitely didn't do like a whole like 180 on the character when it
came to his development, which I really appreciated.
Even when he, you know, like when he got pushed to the moment where like he was ready to freaking
just destroy everybody.
But yeah, so yeah, his character development was great.

(01:48:35):
And for what we got with Shadow, his character development was fantastic for introducing
a character like that.
And with the backstory that Shadow has, phenomenal job.
They did a great job with that.
So 86.
Hell yeah.
I thought it was so funny the way that they were explaining where the Master Emerald was

(01:49:03):
or describing where it was.
And they're like, oh yeah, we have no idea where it's at.
The only one that knows that like where it's safely located is Knuckles.
And like he'll never give up that information.
And he's like, yes, I would die before I hand out that information.
And then it's freaking with Wade Whipple.
Yeah.
He's playing freaking hockey with it.

(01:49:24):
Yeah, I thought that was hilarious.
I was not expecting Wade to have it because I don't know if they explain that in the Knuckles
show.
I haven't watched it, but I was fully expecting Ozzy to have it.
The dog like him to just be in like his dog house or something like it's hidden underneath
his dog bed.
That would have been so funny.
If you watch the Knuckles show, it does make sense why he would give it to Wade.

(01:49:50):
OK.
Because he like he's like I said, like Knuckles kind of takes him in under his wing because
that's like one of the trials as an Echidna warrior that you have to face is you have
to pass down your your warrior knowledge.
And so he that's what he does.
He takes Wade underneath.
And so he trains him up to be a mighty Echidna warrior.

(01:50:15):
And it is the funniest.
Love it.
Dude, it is freaking hilarious.
Like, gosh, I don't want to spoil it too much.
But there's an episode where Wade gets kidnapped and Knuckles knows about it.

(01:50:36):
And basically like so it's not even like a super discreet kidnapping.
Like he gets frickin lassoed and drug down the street.
And that like that's how Wade's kidnapped.
And Knuckles just comes out of of the house, like is standing on the porch and he's just
like, this is your mighty trial, Wade.

(01:50:58):
Like it basically tells him, like, figure it out yourself.
And it just walks back inside.
It's well, damn funny as shit, dude.
I gosh, I love that show.
I don't watch it.
I don't agree that they with how they released it because it was like a week to week.

(01:51:22):
This is definitely like a binge all at once show.
I think that's what threw me off because, yeah, I was week by week.
So I think if it was like all thrown on at the same time, I think I would have watched
it day one.
Absolutely would have gone right through that.
But just I hate when they do that shit.
It throws me off.
Yeah, I think there's some.

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