April 30, 2025 • 25 mins
Jac Kalaher is the founder and CEO of @stjohnsbff (St. Johns Business, Faith, and Friendship) and recently launched her education platform, @themissionsocial. Through both ventures, she helps business owners grow with purpose and build real relationships—not just followers.
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Jac joins us again to share her best Instagram growth tips, especially for local businesses with a physical store trying to grow online and turn followers into real customers.
Jac explains how she uses remixing, smart caption placement, SEO-style tricks, and easy batching to help clients get noticed and grow faster. We also talk about what Instagram wants right now—and how to work with the algorithm instead of fighting it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to the Art of Online Business podcast.
Dak Callagher is with us again,and if you don't know her well,
you should listen to theprevious episode, because it was
really fun as we get to knowher.
But here is a quick bit after.
I share what she's gonna talkabout, which is Instagram growth
strategies.
She does have a social mediaagency that helps brick and
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mortar businesses grow onInstagram.
She takes care of theirmarketing for them, and so if
you've been wondering whyhaven't I been growing on
Instagram and I'm doing thethings that I see online, but
something's not working.
This is going to be the episodefor you.
Jack Callaher is a mama.
She's a mom of four boys.
She's a devoted wife.
She is a daughter of the MostHigh King, jesus, with over two
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decades of transformativeexperience in marketing.
She also has a certification asa transformation life coach,
and she's dedicated her careerto helping others achieve their
true purpose through intentional, purpose-driven marketing
strategies, and we were talkingabout in the previous episode
just this little group that shestarted called BFF.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
St John's BFF St.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
John's BFF, but it's not the BFF that you're thinking
.
This is a networking group forwomen in well, not in St John's.
Where is it?
At St John's.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It is in St John's.
However, it's going to beglobal, like the D is global, it
just is.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So we going to be global, like it's global, it
just is.
So we are in St John's rightnow, but we are going to be
coming to a city near you.
I feel like that should be right.
I was impressed.
I mean so, business, faith andfriendship.
You're now over 5,000 women inthere and you were talking about
this, and the vision allstarted from you moving to a new
community because yourhusband's in the military and
you did not want to be alone.
(01:48):
I won't spoil it for thelistener.
Like, dear listener, you canclick down in the show notes
below and listen to the fullfirst episode.
But Jack is back, welcome.
So my question for you isreally simple what have you seen
that works the best for notonly growing on Instagram, but
converting viewers into paidcustomers?
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Because we're not justmarketing, because we want to
have thousands and thousands offollowers.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And it's not just post and pray, right?
Nope, it's really not, althoughI'm going to tell you, I lived
in the post and pray for yearsbecause I couldn't sad them.
Sitting down and creating acontent calendar because I am
very busy.
I'm also ADHD.
Sitting down is challenging.
I'm like, oh my God, I have towork somebody.
I'm a creative, I need to.
(02:35):
I'm a peacock.
You gotta let me fly?
I don't think, so Hold on.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I'm asking you to give you I'm going to ask chat.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
As long as you're posting and praying every single
day, sure you're going to grow.
However, I really highlyrecommend sitting down and
batching content, and this islike I mean this might be taboo
for people that like to schedulethings out you are going to get
the best results if you'reactually pushing the button and
posting and staying on Instagram.
So one, I would say, postingfive days a week, posting with
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purpose, right, instead of postand pray, let's post with
purpose.
So what is your business?
What are you trying to do?
Let's have five content pillars, three content pillars.
Honestly, if you only got three, it's fine.
You create your content pillars.
You create your content andthen you post daily, and daily I
mean, I don't post daily on theweekends, it's all kid stuff,
it's secrets inside my life,whatever it is, and it's not
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very intentional.
Like, hey, my name is JackKeller, I'm sitting down to
teach you how to knit today.
I don't know how to knit, so Idon't teach you that.
However, you life of real.
So if I sit down, I have mycontent pillars, I create my
content calendar ie, what am Iposting every day?
And aligning it with thosepillars so it makes sense, and
then you're actually gettingyourself in there or pay someone
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.
Pay someone if you hate it.
If you hate it, pay someone.
I say it over and over and overagain because it's stealing
your joy and your time where youcould be better serving in the
space that you're excellent atin your zone of genius, right,
don't get stuck in the zone ofexcellence.
So when you do that reallypriming your audience, like
being on before liking, loving Icall it love bombing or like it
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kind of looks like stalking alittle bit.
Don't be a stalker.
But if you're like I just likedall of my stuff, 10 posts in a
row, well, I'm not only like one.
I probably haven't seen yourstuff in a while and I wanted to
see your stuff and I wantInstagram to show me it.
So I'm love bombing.
I am liking a bunch of stuff,commenting a bunch, telling the
algorithm hey, I'm online.
And then, two, I want to seethese people's stuff and then
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three, boom, I primed myaudience to post.
Right, algorithm rewards us,instagram rewards us for being
online present.
So you have these businessesthat will say, hey, you get real
time posting from me or you get, you know, meta scheduling
posts.
There is a difference andthere's a difference in your
audience.
Now that, or how many viewsyou're going to get.
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Because, guess what?
Right after you post everysingle day with purpose from
your content pillars that you'vecreated and laid out, you are
going to like your own post.
I know it's horrible, but I'mthe only one that liked it.
Like your own post, you'regoing to like it.
I take the caption, like thecaption that I wrote, and I copy
it and I paste it directly intothe comments.
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So not only did I like it, Icommented my caption as a
comment, because what that does,and so okay, yeah, what does it
do?
Oh, it's wild.
I'm such a nerd I could geekout on this stuff, so okay.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
By the way, chat said that peacocks do fly, just not
very sure?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, that's right.
Little, flying, a little bit ata time, fly from one day to the
next into the feet, yeah, andso, like I said, I could geek
out on this.
So the algorithm rewards us forbeing online, being consistent,
posting in the moment, engagingwith other accounts, and you're
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like this is so much work.
You're right, it is, it trulyis.
And You're right, it is, ittruly is.
And that's why, when people arelooking to these social media
marketing agencies, it's likeyou can have a cookie cutter
business and you can pay, andyou can do that, and you can pay
a little bit of money to havethat, and that's fine, as long
as you have a presence.
If you have an online business,you have a storefront, brick and
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mortar.
You need an Instagram thesedays, or don't do one at all.
Just have your website andanswer calls, and that's fine
too, because what happens is Isee these, these companies,
start an Instagram and they postone time and that was in 2022.
Well, google them and they'restill in business and they're
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getting reviews and they'rethere.
You know, doors are open.
Guess what?
Your Instagram tells me thatyour business closed down, just
delete the old.
Instagram.
If you don't want to run it ordelete, pay someone to do it for
you and you can just afford topost, time-wise, one time a week
.
Or money-wise pay someone onetime a week.
We offer all sorts of packages.
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It still says my doors are open.
This is a legitimate business.
That is the game we play.
This is a world we live in,it's business, and so the more
time you spend on Instagram, themore Instagram rewards you.
Therefore, more followers.
Your stuff is going to be shownto more people.
I mean, there's so many tinyhacks and knowledge and, like I
said, I geek out on this becausethe algorithm is reading it.
(07:25):
You know SEO, search engineoptimization.
I actually used to sell that in2009.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I know.
I graduated college and I gotinto an SEO company and I love
sales.
I was like so it's spiders.
This is the easiest way ofpeople like, oh, I hate SEO.
I don't understand it.
What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Spiders crawling your website.
Jamie might be asking that.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
So each night, google sends out iPhone spiders
Because if you're watching thisvideo you can see my fingers are
like ding ding, ding, ding ding.
They're reading.
Right, they are, they'rereading the code.
They're scanning, scanning,scanning.
Does the code behind match thecode in front?
Okay, and I'll throw this allthe way back to my Instagram
post and caption and comment andI'll tell you why.
Does it match up?
Yes, okay, so they've done thework.
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They other websites Did theylink back.
The more legitimacy you have onyour website that the spiders
can read, the higher you cannaturally get your Google
ranking right.
That's what it is.
So spiders front and back ofyour website, that's what it is.
Well, if you transfer that overto Instagram, I don't know if
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they have spiders or they havesomething else.
I don't know right, but the wayI see it is the more times that
those words like coding, it'sreading the coding, the more
time those words are there, themore it can be read by the
spiders, so the more it's goingto show it.
All the systems are verysimilar.
That's my easy breakdown,because I'm not techie, but I
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understand sales and reading andalgorithms and data and things
like that.
So what I do with that is I goahead and I take my caption.
If it's a real.
I put the caption actuallyright on the right on Sorry, my
hi, I love you so much.
Nope, I love you my children.
Just sorry, hi, this is my life.
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My son just got off the bus andhe doesn't understand the get
out hand signal.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I know right, my son just got off the bus and he
doesn't understand the get outhand signal.
I said I know right, my son justopened the door a moment ago
and he had like his blanket andhe's like hold on, try it off
camera and like he's opening thedoor more because apparently
I'm like, stop behind the scenes, that's okay like this can stay
in the show, because I had onelady who I remember early on, so
(09:40):
sometime last year, and she hadsaid you know, it's refreshing
that you talk about your familyon the podcast, because I felt
like the longest being guests,or even on my own show.
It's taboo.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I'm like it's taboo that the listener would know
that, like you and me are likereal people, that we have a
family that we don't just sithere behind like our screen 24
hours and like we, we can't talkabout family or our beliefs or
anything like it encouragespeople that want to start a
podcast that think, oh my gosh,I don't have the perfect studio
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space, I don't have a quiet likemy.
My life is never quiet.
Now the dog's in here he'sgoing to start barking at some
like an elf, uh.
But when I hear that when Ilisten and watch, I'm like those
are my people.
Yeah, those are my people.
Now I'm gonna listen morebecause it just seems
unattainable.
Right, yeah, this is.
This is real life real life.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
It's the spring break and the kids are home yes, you
were saying, you were sayingwatching the caption as that
first comment, because then thespiders see.
Yeah, you know about alt tags Ihave heard that when you,
before you finish a post, youscroll down and there's like the
alt, which is the alternativetext for your image.
(10:55):
Is that what?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
you're talking about.
Yeah, I just go ahead and theyoften move things on Instagram.
So if you hear like, oh, alttags, we said it was at the
bottom, now it's going to be atthe top right, you're never
going to find, just google it.
If you can't find it, becauseyou might be listening to this
in a year and you're like itdoesn't exist, it probably does.
They probably just renamed itby now, but at this current
stage, in April 2025, it is alttext.
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Like you said, I take the entirecaption and I put it in the alt
text oh, okay, and then I alsoput it.
If I'm making a reel, I put itdirectly, like when I'm in the
building phase and I'm on there,I put the whole caption right
on the reel and then I drag itdown to the bottom right corner
and I hide it.
So if you're yeah, it's nowthose words, I actually have a
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reels course that I created.
It tells all of these things Idon't know, it's like 200 bucks
or whatever.
It's like the ultimate to allof this stuff.
But you, you again, you have towant to do it and if you don't
want to do it, don't buy thecourse.
Buy it or you can buy it andgive it to your VA and make them
do it.
Because I tell them don't wasteyour time, don't waste your time
, because it is a full-time job.
Learning it frustrated the heckout of me, but if I start
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something I have to figure itout.
I'm like I will ask the systemthemselves.
I don much time on this,however, in wild drag it right
there and now, boom, thosespiders are reading hey, the
words are on the actual screen,the words are in the alt text,
the words are in the comment, inthe caption, in the comments,
and then final is you go aheadand you add that comment.
(12:32):
So you're going to add it toyour story.
Okay, no, when you add you'resharing a reel to your story,
you go ahead and click add thestory.
Well, you're gonna go ahead andyou can actually hold down.
I think it's a slide right orhold down at this time.
It changes every time I turnaround.
But on the actual comment, yeah, hold down on it and you can
add the comment to your story,that caption literally
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everywhere, in five places.
Yeah, isn't that wild.
And you're like what the hecknow?
I mean when you do this and youpost.
I went kind of crazy a coupleyears ago or less.
Yeah, a couple years ago now.
I did a challenge for myselfand I was like I'm gonna figure
this out because I was Facebookall day long and that's my
generation.
I'm like I love Facebook.
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Facebook does.
I've got Facebook on lock.
Instagram frustrated me, me andI was like, okay, but there's a
whole different world out thereof people that I can connect
with.
That I know it.
It was just bothered me.
So I I did three reels a dayfor a month and I wrapped
everything.
It was ridiculous.
I mean, I have four kids.
You know how busy I am, but Iwas hiding in the bathroom at 10
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o'clock one night and I justdid them three in a row, bump,
bump, bump, bump, because I waslike I am going to do this.
I committed to this.
Well, in a couple of months, Igained like 30,000 followers.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Then I was in a groove.
So then, when I scaled it back,I was posting once a day.
We'll get.
I got rewarded a ton for beingon.
I learned about remixes, Ilearned about hashtags, I
learned about all these.
I was down the rabbit hole.
Now, for my free time, I stalkother social media marketing and
I start and I watch reels onhow to make reels better.
That's all I just.
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It's fun.
That's like my.
That's my decompression time.
People do other apps to watchshort videos.
I watch short videos on how tohack the algorithm on a daily
basis.
Isn't that crazy?
It's mind-blowing.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
That's why we called this episode what Instagram
Actually Wants.
If you Want to Grow.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Okay, so do you have another question?
If not, I have another thing Iwant to share.
Do you have another question?
If not, I have another thing Iwant to share, do you?
Know.
No, go ahead.
I think that's great if youwant.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
You mean the social media manager doesn't have
another question.
She's in charge of posting onour account, so better about
posting, but this is exciting toto hear this.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
What's the thing?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
What's the thing you want to share?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Okay, with the planning, I will say I don't
want to skip over here yetbecause this is I'm just going
to hold this little nugget.
If you're watching, I don'twant to lose it, so I'm just
going to hold this nugget righthere.
But with the planning, don'tget, don't spend so much time
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planning that you don't.
Don't do it once a month.
Plan out for the month and thenbe done and just keep it super
simple.
Y'all know chat gpt.
However, I highly recommendthat you make it sound like you
are speaking in your captions sowhen people read it, they hear
your voice, that gpt is great inthe pinch.
Claude, whatever, ai, greco,whatever you want to use.
However, I want to hear yourvoice when you're doing your,
your captions, and so you wantto go over to chat gpt, get an
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idea from it, then rewrite it.
So it's you.
It's creative stimulation.
That's what I call it.
Ai is just creative stimulation.
It should not be copy paste.
It shouldn't.
It doesn't represent anybody.
It's a reference for a lot andyou won't connect with your
audience.
You just won't.
So that's what I highlyrecommend spend like one hour
batching content for the wholemonth.
That's it.
Write out your captions.
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You can figure out and you canhide in the bathroom at 10 pm
like I did.
It's great, you'll get it alldone, but and then the next
thing, right beyond all of that,is remixes.
Have you guys done remixes?
I get so excited zero.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Never I've had my editor make them like in the
video editing software, but I'venever actually used the remix
of Instagram.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
So remix?
Now what remix is is you'reactually taking in viral videos
something that speaks to yourcontent pillar, maybe something
that makes you laugh.
I personally love old people.
I do.
I love them so much.
Like I said, they're just.
I think they're so smart andfunny and they can say whatever
they want.
I'm like, why can't I say that?
Well, cause I'm not 90.
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90 people are like, yeah, theycan't say that, but they do, so
just walk away, tiptoe, right.
My audience knows I love oldpeople because what I did was I
whatever video I find so funnyor touching or moving or
whatever.
So, but I'll stay on that humorbecause, people, how do you
sell things when you make peoplefeel things?
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Okay, it's not your best, it'snot that, it is literally when
you can make people feel.
And so when I feel something ona video that I'm watching and
it's viral and I'm like, oh myGod, this, if you go to my I
think I have it pinned to thetop it's this old guy.
He trips his friend, he falls.
The old man runs away.
He looks like a leprechaun whenhe's running away.
He's this cutest little oldestperson and it's really
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inappropriate Swears.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
It says the F word.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Don't play it right now, and I know that, but I do
cuss.
I'm trying to get better.
I grew up in Massachusetts, soit's just the thing we don't
swear at me, just it's just theway it flows in our verbiage and
I'm like, oh, that's not veryclassy for a lady, but it makes
me laugh, especially when oldpeople fall or swear or dance.
And so if I feel something offthis short clip video, what I do
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is I literally take it and youhit the three dots here.
Let me go, okay, and again,this would change right.
I'm gonna walk you through it.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I'm looking at taking .
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I'm hitting the three dots on one of your videos too
had three dots and then in thereup top you see these options
across the top.
Again, these will probably beremixed.
Click it and then up pops areel, ready to go right.
So now I'm ready.
Yeah, that's a remix.
So again, this is the biggesthack in history.
I swear They'll probably nowcut it out because we've nailed
it and figured it out.
So, but now to post this.
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Instagram says you have to putsomething on it.
So I'm like, okay it, I don'thave to do anything else, I just
put some crying.
Oh oh my, yeah, that's thecussing parent one.
So that one too.
That went over.
That could over almost close totwo million views.
And so I say the effort right,put crying, laughing faces on it
(18:52):
.
So see how I and then, you makethem smaller, move them.
You can actually move up, movethem off the screen.
This is what I was talkingabout with the alt or with the
caption right there and clicknext Boom.
Now you have a remix, you haveyour own reel and you can do
this.
So I repurpose my own content.
The other day I had nothing topost, so I was like I got to
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post.
I have to get back to every day.
We've just been busy, jack,remix your own content.
What that's doing is you'retaking all of the views that you
already have, all of the stuffthat's already telling Instagram
hey, this video is going, thisvideo is exciting, and in the
comment you don't have to do abig, long caption, do nothing.
But if this is you and do acall to action, if this is you,
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or send this to a friend.
I always say do a call toaction, send to a friend, save
this video right now.
Currently they change it everymonth.
They're rewarding for sends.
It used to be saves Last month.
They were big into whatevervideo got saved, because you can
see how many times it's beensent, how many saves, how many
yada yada.
Last year it was saved, thisyear it's sent Because when you
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like a video, first thing I dothe top three people.
I'm like sending to my husband,sending to my best friend,
sending to you know, jesswellness.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
When you really like a video, that's what you do.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, exactly.
So now they're rewarding forhow many times it's being sent.
So so when you're looking at it, you're like, okay, so your
call to action should be sendthis to a person that gets it.
That's it, that could be yourwhole direction perfect, right,
and so remixing is really trulylike unlocked everything people
like.
(20:24):
Well, what if someone?
What if someone says, like youstole my video?
Also, there's the ability toturn remixing off.
So if you're the creator, youcan turn it off.
If you don't want peopleremixing your stuff For me, I
don't care.
If you're going to remix mystuff, someone's going to find
me.
Thank you for doing my work.
Right and she gives him creditand I'm like no, it gives credit
(20:46):
because you could look at theremix, you can try it and then
it will show you all of theremixes that have already been
created.
So in my course, I'm like theremix hack and I honestly didn't
learn that anywhere.
I learned that because Iremixed a video by accident,
playing with all the features inthat month oh, okay and I saw,
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and every time I would laugh sohard I was like I gotta share
that.
and then I was like, well, howdo I share a video on Instagram?
And I know I was trying toscreen, record and trying to do
all I'm like this has got toshare that.
And then I was like, well, howdo I share a video on Instagram?
And I was trying to screen,record and trying to do all I'm
like this has got to be a betterway.
And then I found the remixbutton.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I was like oh my gosh .
I mean they should listen,because these are good.
Really good, yeah, and you got60,000 followers on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And I'm telling you I'd call it my fake account
because I just remix things, Iplay with different algorithm
hacks and so, of course, and Ipost about my family.
Everyone's like, well, thatpage is a little inconsistent.
I was like that's like mytester page, my real page,
that's where you'll learn aboutmy life, that's where I'll put
stuff about the conference.
I'll put stuff about BFF, likeall of my life encompassing.
If you're like Jack, you do toomany things and go over to BFF
(21:57):
page, it's only BFF, it's just.
It's just our events.
You want social media?
Go to the mission social page.
They're all organized in theway they need to be organized to
communicate effectively to myaudiences.
But I mean this guy, I mean yeah, I mean I'm telling you how
many times you get distracted ifyou've never gotten a message
in the cloud and then he pops on.
I think it's so funny.
So like, what are you doing?
(22:18):
Like it's a man in a pillowcaseor a woman?
I, I don't know, I don't know,I don't care, it's funny.
I would remix that because Ithought something that's great
okay, yeah, those are life hacks, those are hacks we're gonna
stop here.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Where does the listener go to follow your
instagram account?
Can you say it one more time?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I mean, yeah, jackkallaher,
j-a-c-k-a-l-a-h-e-r.
And on there you can follow allthe other things, my website's
on there.
You can follow the bff one, youcan follow the mission social.
The mission social is funny.
I only just started it becausemy client were like you don't
have an Instagram for yourInstagram like for your social
media marketing business?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
and I was like good idea oh yeah, I should, yeah,
but I was like why do I needthat?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I have enough other accounts.
Like I got work to do, I don'thave time to be running that
Instagram.
If you want to work with me,work with me.
Look at my work on all theseother pages right.
I know what I'm doing and it'sfunny because the oh, you did
just start this one in december26th of 2024 yeah, just now, and
I don't even like, and I just Ijust started paying my team to
(23:25):
run that for me because I don'thave time.
But it's very social media andmarketing specific, which is
great, but I I like the likefunny, feel good.
So we do some remixes on there.
But for all my clients, there'smy other dog, don't mind him,
it's just really loud.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
It's time you've been in there for a long time.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
He's a hundred pound great pyrenees, and this one's a
hundred pound pyrenees lab mix.
Oh my goodness that's a lot ofpounds yeah, so yeah, they can
follow on all of those.
But I'm telling you if you canfigure out remixing and it's not
easy and but I'm tellingauthentic marketing, which is
what I love, right, authenticmarketing, and how that gives
people just another level oflike into your humor, into your
(24:08):
and you're not having torecreate these videos like I'm
not gonna go step my face in thepillowcase I would, I don't
have time and I don't have anextra pillow, you know, but they
want to have an extra pillow.
I'm like my pillows cost moneyand I need them.
I have a huge family, but yeah,I mean, there's so many things
and I do have, like I said, I domy two hour strategy sessions,
(24:30):
I do my intensive days, I I domy coaching.
If you want me to speak onstage, that's apparently where
I'll go one day.
But social media marketing Ihave.
I have brick and mortar, butI've run all my businesses
online for so long.
I don't know why brick andmortar I attract them, but I
think it's honestly because ofbff and I'm local and they need
help.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
so yeah, yeah, well geez thank you for sharing and
I'll put that link up in theshow notes below, especially if
you're a listener.
If you want a social media likestrategy coaching session from
Jack, that link will be down inthe show notes below too, and
thank you for sharing.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I get so excited about this stuff.
I'm like who are you?
This, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
These are great hacks I've never heard of of.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I think most of those any questions you guys had just
ask me literally ask me.
I'll take voice message me sowe'll get each other's like
phone numbers.
After voice message, two minuteconversation.
I can walk you through all it'sso fun, thank you.
Well, thank you for being onthe podcast.
(25:33):
Oh, it's here anytime.
I loved it.
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Until you see us or hear from us next time, be
blessed and we will talk to yousoon.
Take care.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
All right, bye, bye.
Welcome back to the Art of Online Business podcast.
Dak Callagher is with us again,and if you don't know her well,
you should listen to theprevious episode, because it was
really fun as we get to knowher.
But here is a quick bit after.
I share what she's gonna talkabout, which is Instagram growth
strategies.
She does have a social mediaagency that helps brick and
(00:21):
mortar businesses grow onInstagram.
She takes care of theirmarketing for them, and so if
you've been wondering whyhaven't I been growing on
Instagram and I'm doing thethings that I see online, but
something's not working.
This is going to be the episodefor you.
Jack Callaher is a mama.
She's a mom of four boys.
She's a devoted wife.
She is a daughter of the MostHigh King, jesus, with over two
(00:44):
decades of transformativeexperience in marketing.
She also has a certification asa transformation life coach,
and she's dedicated her careerto helping others achieve their
true purpose through intentional, purpose-driven marketing
strategies, and we were talkingabout in the previous episode
just this little group that shestarted called BFF.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
St John's BFF St.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
John's BFF, but it's not the BFF that you're thinking
.
This is a networking group forwomen in well, not in St John's.
Where is it?
At St John's.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It is in St John's.
However, it's going to beglobal, like the D is global, it
just is.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So we going to be global, like it's global, it
just is.
So we are in St John's rightnow, but we are going to be
coming to a city near you.
I feel like that should be right.
I was impressed.
I mean so, business, faith andfriendship.
You're now over 5,000 women inthere and you were talking about
this, and the vision allstarted from you moving to a new
community because yourhusband's in the military and
you did not want to be alone.
(01:48):
I won't spoil it for thelistener.
Like, dear listener, you canclick down in the show notes
below and listen to the fullfirst episode.
But Jack is back, welcome.
So my question for you isreally simple what have you seen
that works the best for notonly growing on Instagram, but
converting viewers into paidcustomers?
(02:09):
Because we're not justmarketing, because we want to
have thousands and thousands offollowers.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
And it's not just post and pray, right?
Nope, it's really not, althoughI'm going to tell you, I lived
in the post and pray for yearsbecause I couldn't sad them.
Sitting down and creating acontent calendar because I am
very busy.
I'm also ADHD.
Sitting down is challenging.
I'm like, oh my God, I have towork somebody.
I'm a creative, I need to.
(02:35):
I'm a peacock.
You gotta let me fly?
I don't think, so Hold on.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I'm asking you to give you I'm going to ask chat.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
As long as you're posting and praying every single
day, sure you're going to grow.
However, I really highlyrecommend sitting down and
batching content, and this islike I mean this might be taboo
for people that like to schedulethings out you are going to get
the best results if you'reactually pushing the button and
posting and staying on Instagram.
So one, I would say, postingfive days a week, posting with
(03:10):
purpose, right, instead of postand pray, let's post with
purpose.
So what is your business?
What are you trying to do?
Let's have five content pillars, three content pillars.
Honestly, if you only got three, it's fine.
You create your content pillars.
You create your content andthen you post daily, and daily I
mean, I don't post daily on theweekends, it's all kid stuff,
it's secrets inside my life,whatever it is, and it's not
(03:32):
very intentional.
Like, hey, my name is JackKeller, I'm sitting down to
teach you how to knit today.
I don't know how to knit, so Idon't teach you that.
However, you life of real.
So if I sit down, I have mycontent pillars, I create my
content calendar ie, what am Iposting every day?
And aligning it with thosepillars so it makes sense, and
then you're actually gettingyourself in there or pay someone
(03:52):
.
Pay someone if you hate it.
If you hate it, pay someone.
I say it over and over and overagain because it's stealing
your joy and your time where youcould be better serving in the
space that you're excellent atin your zone of genius, right,
don't get stuck in the zone ofexcellence.
So when you do that reallypriming your audience, like
being on before liking, loving Icall it love bombing or like it
(04:13):
kind of looks like stalking alittle bit.
Don't be a stalker.
But if you're like I just likedall of my stuff, 10 posts in a
row, well, I'm not only like one.
I probably haven't seen yourstuff in a while and I wanted to
see your stuff and I wantInstagram to show me it.
So I'm love bombing.
I am liking a bunch of stuff,commenting a bunch, telling the
algorithm hey, I'm online.
And then, two, I want to seethese people's stuff and then
(04:36):
three, boom, I primed myaudience to post.
Right, algorithm rewards us,instagram rewards us for being
online present.
So you have these businessesthat will say, hey, you get real
time posting from me or you get, you know, meta scheduling
posts.
There is a difference andthere's a difference in your
audience.
Now that, or how many viewsyou're going to get.
(04:58):
Because, guess what?
Right after you post everysingle day with purpose from
your content pillars that you'vecreated and laid out, you are
going to like your own post.
I know it's horrible, but I'mthe only one that liked it.
Like your own post, you'regoing to like it.
I take the caption, like thecaption that I wrote, and I copy
it and I paste it directly intothe comments.
(05:20):
So not only did I like it, Icommented my caption as a
comment, because what that does,and so okay, yeah, what does it
do?
Oh, it's wild.
I'm such a nerd I could geekout on this stuff, so okay.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
By the way, chat said that peacocks do fly, just not
very sure?
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, that's right.
Little, flying, a little bit ata time, fly from one day to the
next into the feet, yeah, andso, like I said, I could geek
out on this.
So the algorithm rewards us forbeing online, being consistent,
posting in the moment, engagingwith other accounts, and you're
(06:00):
like this is so much work.
You're right, it is, it trulyis.
And You're right, it is, ittruly is.
And that's why, when people arelooking to these social media
marketing agencies, it's likeyou can have a cookie cutter
business and you can pay, andyou can do that, and you can pay
a little bit of money to havethat, and that's fine, as long
as you have a presence.
If you have an online business,you have a storefront, brick and
(06:22):
mortar.
You need an Instagram thesedays, or don't do one at all.
Just have your website andanswer calls, and that's fine
too, because what happens is Isee these, these companies,
start an Instagram and they postone time and that was in 2022.
Well, google them and they'restill in business and they're
(06:44):
getting reviews and they'rethere.
You know, doors are open.
Guess what?
Your Instagram tells me thatyour business closed down, just
delete the old.
Instagram.
If you don't want to run it ordelete, pay someone to do it for
you and you can just afford topost, time-wise, one time a week
.
Or money-wise pay someone onetime a week.
We offer all sorts of packages.
(07:04):
It still says my doors are open.
This is a legitimate business.
That is the game we play.
This is a world we live in,it's business, and so the more
time you spend on Instagram, themore Instagram rewards you.
Therefore, more followers.
Your stuff is going to be shownto more people.
I mean, there's so many tinyhacks and knowledge and, like I
said, I geek out on this becausethe algorithm is reading it.
(07:25):
You know SEO, search engineoptimization.
I actually used to sell that in2009.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I know.
I graduated college and I gotinto an SEO company and I love
sales.
I was like so it's spiders.
This is the easiest way ofpeople like, oh, I hate SEO.
I don't understand it.
What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Spiders crawling your website.
Jamie might be asking that.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
So each night, google sends out iPhone spiders
Because if you're watching thisvideo you can see my fingers are
like ding ding, ding, ding ding.
They're reading.
Right, they are, they'rereading the code.
They're scanning, scanning,scanning.
Does the code behind match thecode in front?
Okay, and I'll throw this allthe way back to my Instagram
post and caption and comment andI'll tell you why.
Does it match up?
Yes, okay, so they've done thework.
(08:12):
They other websites Did theylink back.
The more legitimacy you have onyour website that the spiders
can read, the higher you cannaturally get your Google
ranking right.
That's what it is.
So spiders front and back ofyour website, that's what it is.
Well, if you transfer that overto Instagram, I don't know if
(08:32):
they have spiders or they havesomething else.
I don't know right, but the wayI see it is the more times that
those words like coding, it'sreading the coding, the more
time those words are there, themore it can be read by the
spiders, so the more it's goingto show it.
All the systems are verysimilar.
That's my easy breakdown,because I'm not techie, but I
(08:54):
understand sales and reading andalgorithms and data and things
like that.
So what I do with that is I goahead and I take my caption.
If it's a real.
I put the caption actuallyright on the right on Sorry, my
hi, I love you so much.
Nope, I love you my children.
Just sorry, hi, this is my life.
(09:14):
My son just got off the bus andhe doesn't understand the get
out hand signal.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I know right, my son just got off the bus and he
doesn't understand the get outhand signal.
I said I know right, my son justopened the door a moment ago
and he had like his blanket andhe's like hold on, try it off
camera and like he's opening thedoor more because apparently
I'm like, stop behind the scenes, that's okay like this can stay
in the show, because I had onelady who I remember early on, so
(09:40):
sometime last year, and she hadsaid you know, it's refreshing
that you talk about your familyon the podcast, because I felt
like the longest being guests,or even on my own show.
It's taboo.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I'm like it's taboo that the listener would know
that, like you and me are likereal people, that we have a
family that we don't just sithere behind like our screen 24
hours and like we, we can't talkabout family or our beliefs or
anything like it encouragespeople that want to start a
podcast that think, oh my gosh,I don't have the perfect studio
(10:11):
space, I don't have a quiet likemy.
My life is never quiet.
Now the dog's in here he'sgoing to start barking at some
like an elf, uh.
But when I hear that when Ilisten and watch, I'm like those
are my people.
Yeah, those are my people.
Now I'm gonna listen morebecause it just seems
unattainable.
Right, yeah, this is.
This is real life real life.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
It's the spring break and the kids are home yes, you
were saying, you were sayingwatching the caption as that
first comment, because then thespiders see.
Yeah, you know about alt tags Ihave heard that when you,
before you finish a post, youscroll down and there's like the
alt, which is the alternativetext for your image.
(10:55):
Is that what?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
you're talking about.
Yeah, I just go ahead and theyoften move things on Instagram.
So if you hear like, oh, alttags, we said it was at the
bottom, now it's going to be atthe top right, you're never
going to find, just google it.
If you can't find it, becauseyou might be listening to this
in a year and you're like itdoesn't exist, it probably does.
They probably just renamed itby now, but at this current
stage, in April 2025, it is alttext.
(11:17):
Like you said, I take the entirecaption and I put it in the alt
text oh, okay, and then I alsoput it.
If I'm making a reel, I put itdirectly, like when I'm in the
building phase and I'm on there,I put the whole caption right
on the reel and then I drag itdown to the bottom right corner
and I hide it.
So if you're yeah, it's nowthose words, I actually have a
(11:47):
reels course that I created.
It tells all of these things Idon't know, it's like 200 bucks
or whatever.
It's like the ultimate to allof this stuff.
But you, you again, you have towant to do it and if you don't
want to do it, don't buy thecourse.
Buy it or you can buy it andgive it to your VA and make them
do it.
Because I tell them don't wasteyour time, don't waste your time
, because it is a full-time job.
Learning it frustrated the heckout of me, but if I start
(12:09):
something I have to figure itout.
I'm like I will ask the systemthemselves.
I don much time on this,however, in wild drag it right
there and now, boom, thosespiders are reading hey, the
words are on the actual screen,the words are in the alt text,
the words are in the comment, inthe caption, in the comments,
and then final is you go aheadand you add that comment.
(12:32):
So you're going to add it toyour story.
Okay, no, when you add you'resharing a reel to your story,
you go ahead and click add thestory.
Well, you're gonna go ahead andyou can actually hold down.
I think it's a slide right orhold down at this time.
It changes every time I turnaround.
But on the actual comment, yeah, hold down on it and you can
add the comment to your story,that caption literally
(12:56):
everywhere, in five places.
Yeah, isn't that wild.
And you're like what the hecknow?
I mean when you do this and youpost.
I went kind of crazy a coupleyears ago or less.
Yeah, a couple years ago now.
I did a challenge for myselfand I was like I'm gonna figure
this out because I was Facebookall day long and that's my
generation.
I'm like I love Facebook.
(13:17):
Facebook does.
I've got Facebook on lock.
Instagram frustrated me, me andI was like, okay, but there's a
whole different world out thereof people that I can connect
with.
That I know it.
It was just bothered me.
So I I did three reels a dayfor a month and I wrapped
everything.
It was ridiculous.
I mean, I have four kids.
You know how busy I am, but Iwas hiding in the bathroom at 10
(13:39):
o'clock one night and I justdid them three in a row, bump,
bump, bump, bump, because I waslike I am going to do this.
I committed to this.
Well, in a couple of months, Igained like 30,000 followers.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Then I was in a groove.
So then, when I scaled it back,I was posting once a day.
We'll get.
I got rewarded a ton for beingon.
I learned about remixes, Ilearned about hashtags, I
learned about all these.
I was down the rabbit hole.
Now, for my free time, I stalkother social media marketing and
I start and I watch reels onhow to make reels better.
That's all I just.
(14:14):
It's fun.
That's like my.
That's my decompression time.
People do other apps to watchshort videos.
I watch short videos on how tohack the algorithm on a daily
basis.
Isn't that crazy?
It's mind-blowing.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
That's why we called this episode what Instagram
Actually Wants.
If you Want to Grow.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Okay, so do you have another question?
If not, I have another thing Iwant to share.
Do you have another question?
If not, I have another thing Iwant to share, do you?
Know.
No, go ahead.
I think that's great if youwant.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
You mean the social media manager doesn't have
another question.
She's in charge of posting onour account, so better about
posting, but this is exciting toto hear this.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
What's the thing?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
What's the thing you want to share?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Okay, with the planning, I will say I don't
want to skip over here yetbecause this is I'm just going
to hold this little nugget.
If you're watching, I don'twant to lose it, so I'm just
going to hold this nugget righthere.
But with the planning, don'tget, don't spend so much time
(15:22):
planning that you don't.
Don't do it once a month.
Plan out for the month and thenbe done and just keep it super
simple.
Y'all know chat gpt.
However, I highly recommendthat you make it sound like you
are speaking in your captions sowhen people read it, they hear
your voice, that gpt is great inthe pinch.
Claude, whatever, ai, greco,whatever you want to use.
However, I want to hear yourvoice when you're doing your,
your captions, and so you wantto go over to chat gpt, get an
(15:43):
idea from it, then rewrite it.
So it's you.
It's creative stimulation.
That's what I call it.
Ai is just creative stimulation.
It should not be copy paste.
It shouldn't.
It doesn't represent anybody.
It's a reference for a lot andyou won't connect with your
audience.
You just won't.
So that's what I highlyrecommend spend like one hour
batching content for the wholemonth.
That's it.
Write out your captions.
(16:03):
You can figure out and you canhide in the bathroom at 10 pm
like I did.
It's great, you'll get it alldone, but and then the next
thing, right beyond all of that,is remixes.
Have you guys done remixes?
I get so excited zero.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Never I've had my editor make them like in the
video editing software, but I'venever actually used the remix
of Instagram.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
So remix?
Now what remix is is you'reactually taking in viral videos
something that speaks to yourcontent pillar, maybe something
that makes you laugh.
I personally love old people.
I do.
I love them so much.
Like I said, they're just.
I think they're so smart andfunny and they can say whatever
they want.
I'm like, why can't I say that?
Well, cause I'm not 90.
(16:45):
90 people are like, yeah, theycan't say that, but they do, so
just walk away, tiptoe, right.
My audience knows I love oldpeople because what I did was I
whatever video I find so funnyor touching or moving or
whatever.
So, but I'll stay on that humorbecause, people, how do you
sell things when you make peoplefeel things?
(17:08):
Okay, it's not your best, it'snot that, it is literally when
you can make people feel.
And so when I feel something ona video that I'm watching and
it's viral and I'm like, oh myGod, this, if you go to my I
think I have it pinned to thetop it's this old guy.
He trips his friend, he falls.
The old man runs away.
He looks like a leprechaun whenhe's running away.
He's this cutest little oldestperson and it's really
(17:29):
inappropriate Swears.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
It says the F word.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Don't play it right now, and I know that, but I do
cuss.
I'm trying to get better.
I grew up in Massachusetts, soit's just the thing we don't
swear at me, just it's just theway it flows in our verbiage and
I'm like, oh, that's not veryclassy for a lady, but it makes
me laugh, especially when oldpeople fall or swear or dance.
And so if I feel something offthis short clip video, what I do
(17:57):
is I literally take it and youhit the three dots here.
Let me go, okay, and again,this would change right.
I'm gonna walk you through it.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I'm looking at taking .
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I'm hitting the three dots on one of your videos too
had three dots and then in thereup top you see these options
across the top.
Again, these will probably beremixed.
Click it and then up pops areel, ready to go right.
So now I'm ready.
Yeah, that's a remix.
So again, this is the biggesthack in history.
I swear They'll probably nowcut it out because we've nailed
it and figured it out.
So, but now to post this.
(18:28):
Instagram says you have to putsomething on it.
So I'm like, okay it, I don'thave to do anything else, I just
put some crying.
Oh oh my, yeah, that's thecussing parent one.
So that one too.
That went over.
That could over almost close totwo million views.
And so I say the effort right,put crying, laughing faces on it
(18:52):
.
So see how I and then, you makethem smaller, move them.
You can actually move up, movethem off the screen.
This is what I was talkingabout with the alt or with the
caption right there and clicknext Boom.
Now you have a remix, you haveyour own reel and you can do
this.
So I repurpose my own content.
The other day I had nothing topost, so I was like I got to
(19:13):
post.
I have to get back to every day.
We've just been busy, jack,remix your own content.
What that's doing is you'retaking all of the views that you
already have, all of the stuffthat's already telling Instagram
hey, this video is going, thisvideo is exciting, and in the
comment you don't have to do abig, long caption, do nothing.
But if this is you and do acall to action, if this is you,
(19:34):
or send this to a friend.
I always say do a call toaction, send to a friend, save
this video right now.
Currently they change it everymonth.
They're rewarding for sends.
It used to be saves Last month.
They were big into whatevervideo got saved, because you can
see how many times it's beensent, how many saves, how many
yada yada.
Last year it was saved, thisyear it's sent Because when you
(19:55):
like a video, first thing I dothe top three people.
I'm like sending to my husband,sending to my best friend,
sending to you know, jesswellness.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
When you really like a video, that's what you do.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, exactly.
So now they're rewarding forhow many times it's being sent.
So so when you're looking at it, you're like, okay, so your
call to action should be sendthis to a person that gets it.
That's it, that could be yourwhole direction perfect, right,
and so remixing is really trulylike unlocked everything people
like.
(20:24):
Well, what if someone?
What if someone says, like youstole my video?
Also, there's the ability toturn remixing off.
So if you're the creator, youcan turn it off.
If you don't want peopleremixing your stuff For me, I
don't care.
If you're going to remix mystuff, someone's going to find
me.
Thank you for doing my work.
Right and she gives him creditand I'm like no, it gives credit
(20:46):
because you could look at theremix, you can try it and then
it will show you all of theremixes that have already been
created.
So in my course, I'm like theremix hack and I honestly didn't
learn that anywhere.
I learned that because Iremixed a video by accident,
playing with all the features inthat month oh, okay and I saw,
(21:06):
and every time I would laugh sohard I was like I gotta share
that.
and then I was like, well, howdo I share a video on Instagram?
And I know I was trying toscreen, record and trying to do
all I'm like this has got toshare that.
And then I was like, well, howdo I share a video on Instagram?
And I was trying to screen,record and trying to do all I'm
like this has got to be a betterway.
And then I found the remixbutton.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I was like oh my gosh .
I mean they should listen,because these are good.
Really good, yeah, and you got60,000 followers on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And I'm telling you I'd call it my fake account
because I just remix things, Iplay with different algorithm
hacks and so, of course, and Ipost about my family.
Everyone's like, well, thatpage is a little inconsistent.
I was like that's like mytester page, my real page,
that's where you'll learn aboutmy life, that's where I'll put
stuff about the conference.
I'll put stuff about BFF, likeall of my life encompassing.
If you're like Jack, you do toomany things and go over to BFF
(21:57):
page, it's only BFF, it's just.
It's just our events.
You want social media?
Go to the mission social page.
They're all organized in theway they need to be organized to
communicate effectively to myaudiences.
But I mean this guy, I mean yeah, I mean I'm telling you how
many times you get distracted ifyou've never gotten a message
in the cloud and then he pops on.
I think it's so funny.
So like, what are you doing?
(22:18):
Like it's a man in a pillowcaseor a woman?
I, I don't know, I don't know,I don't care, it's funny.
I would remix that because Ithought something that's great
okay, yeah, those are life hacks, those are hacks we're gonna
stop here.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Where does the listener go to follow your
instagram account?
Can you say it one more time?
Speaker 2 (22:37):
I mean, yeah, jackkallaher,
j-a-c-k-a-l-a-h-e-r.
And on there you can follow allthe other things, my website's
on there.
You can follow the bff one, youcan follow the mission social.
The mission social is funny.
I only just started it becausemy client were like you don't
have an Instagram for yourInstagram like for your social
media marketing business?
Speaker 1 (22:58):
and I was like good idea oh yeah, I should, yeah,
but I was like why do I needthat?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I have enough other accounts.
Like I got work to do, I don'thave time to be running that
Instagram.
If you want to work with me,work with me.
Look at my work on all theseother pages right.
I know what I'm doing and it'sfunny because the oh, you did
just start this one in december26th of 2024 yeah, just now, and
I don't even like, and I just Ijust started paying my team to
(23:25):
run that for me because I don'thave time.
But it's very social media andmarketing specific, which is
great, but I I like the likefunny, feel good.
So we do some remixes on there.
But for all my clients, there'smy other dog, don't mind him,
it's just really loud.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
It's time you've been in there for a long time.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
He's a hundred pound great pyrenees, and this one's a
hundred pound pyrenees lab mix.
Oh my goodness that's a lot ofpounds yeah, so yeah, they can
follow on all of those.
But I'm telling you if you canfigure out remixing and it's not
easy and but I'm tellingauthentic marketing, which is
what I love, right, authenticmarketing, and how that gives
people just another level oflike into your humor, into your
(24:08):
and you're not having torecreate these videos like I'm
not gonna go step my face in thepillowcase I would, I don't
have time and I don't have anextra pillow, you know, but they
want to have an extra pillow.
I'm like my pillows cost moneyand I need them.
I have a huge family, but yeah,I mean, there's so many things
and I do have, like I said, I domy two hour strategy sessions,
(24:30):
I do my intensive days, I I domy coaching.
If you want me to speak onstage, that's apparently where
I'll go one day.
But social media marketing Ihave.
I have brick and mortar, butI've run all my businesses
online for so long.
I don't know why brick andmortar I attract them, but I
think it's honestly because ofbff and I'm local and they need
help.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
so yeah, yeah, well geez thank you for sharing and
I'll put that link up in theshow notes below, especially if
you're a listener.
If you want a social media likestrategy coaching session from
Jack, that link will be down inthe show notes below too, and
thank you for sharing.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I get so excited about this stuff.
I'm like who are you?
This, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
These are great hacks I've never heard of of.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I think most of those any questions you guys had just
ask me literally ask me.
I'll take voice message me sowe'll get each other's like
phone numbers.
After voice message, two minuteconversation.
I can walk you through all it'sso fun, thank you.
Well, thank you for being onthe podcast.
(25:33):
Oh, it's here anytime.
I loved it.
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Until you see us or hear from us next time, be
blessed and we will talk to yousoon.
Take care.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
All right, bye, bye.
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