March 6, 2025 • 13 mins
In this episode of The Articulate Fly, host Marvin Cash reconnects with Mac Brown for an engaging discussion on casting and his upcoming fly fishing schools. Fresh off his western tour, Mac shares his excitement about returning home, only to face a weather shift that promises snow and high winds. As they dive into the nuances of casting, Mac recounts an inspiring story about a student named Al, who transformed his casting skills through dedicated practice and the use of technology.
The duo emphasizes the importance of practicing with purpose and the role of video analysis in improving casting techniques. Mac explains how students can leverage their smartphones to capture their casts, providing a valuable tool for self-assessment and improvement. He discusses the significance of mastering the fundamental stroke and shares insights on how to apply force effectively for various casts.
Listeners will appreciate the wealth of knowledge shared in this episode, from practical tips on refining casting mechanics to the benefits of mentorship through technology. Mac also reflects on his experiences at fly fishing shows, connecting with international casters and the vibrant community of anglers. Whether you're looking to enhance your casting skills or simply enjoy a conversation about the art of fly fishing, this episode is a must-listen.
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(00:04):
Hey folks, it's Marvin Cash,the host of the Articulate Fly. We're
back with another castingangles with Mac Brown. Mac, how are
you?
I'm doing great. How youdoing, Marvin?
As always, I'm just trying tostay out of trouble. And you know,
you finally got home from yourwestern tour on the fly fishing show
and gosh, you just told meyou've got one night and tomorrow
you start a fly fishing school.
(00:26):
That's right, we start ofschool tomorrow. So yeah, it's perfect
timing. It's been nice herelike in the 60s. Tomorrow they're
calling for snow in like 50mile an hour winds. So I'm like,
welcome back. But it's alwaysthat way early March.
Yeah, it's interesting. Butyou know, you were, you were more
excited than normal. You kindof got juiced up by spending a lot
(00:48):
of time with students and youhad some stuff from the road you
wanted to relate to, folks.
Oh yeah, yeah. I wanted totalk about just the, the tool that
everybody has in their pocketfor when we talk about all these
podcasts and about improvingtheir casting once people know what
it is they're looking for. Wehad a guy in one of the classes out
there that, that took a schoollast year named Al. And when he got
(01:10):
up, I, you know, I see a lotof people on the road and I was like,
man, it looks like he shouldbe doing a demo, you know. And I
asked him, where'd you learnthat? He said, I learned that in
your class last year, the twoand a half hour distance class. And
he's really worked at it threeto four hours a week for the past
year, for 52 weeks. And I'mnot kidding you, it totally transformed
(01:31):
like what he'd been doing forall these years. And it was just,
it's really gratifying whenyou see that. When you see somebody
that comes back and says, youknow, I use my phone, I look at it
and I study it and I go backand I try it again. And that's really
a kind of a cool thing, isn't it?
Yeah, absolutely. So if webreak that down a little bit, you
know, one, and this issomething you and I talk about a
(01:51):
lot. We talk about practicingwith purpose, right?
Oh yeah. Practicing withpurpose and just getting the acquisition
of this with knowing what itis you to look for, you know, and
a lot of people look for itand go, well there, I did one. You
know, Marvin, I'm good. I didone. And the reality is to get, to
put it in retention is a Lotlike, like there's a saying that
(02:14):
I remember as a kid, like Iused to be a big Bruce Lee fan, you
know, about water and a lot ofthings. You've heard me talk about
that before. But he, he talksabout one of the quotes that, that
he came up with is, don'tpractice till you get it right, practice
till you can't get it wrong.And that's what the phone can help
people do. Like once they knowwhat they're looking for, is to practice
(02:36):
and practice and practice tillthey can repeat it over and over
in a consistent manner ratherthan saying, oh, Marvin, do you see
that? The 20th cast, itfinally looked good. I think a lot
of people practice where theyfinally get one and they think they've
got it. And I really think theretention phase is totally different.
The way, the way we put itinto myelination, muscle memory,
(02:58):
or whatever you want to callit, to where they can actually repeat
it. And that's what was sogratifying about CNL out there in
California.
Yeah. And you were telling me,you know, he's practicing three hours
a week. But you had arelatively kind of simple. Because
everyone's going to reach outand say, well, dude, what did you
do? And you had a prettysimple practice routine. You want
to share that with folks?
(03:19):
Well, the practice routine wasjust going through the basic fundamental
stroke of making a proper backcast with full arm, full arm casting,
not, not wrist casting orbicep, tricep casting, but the full
arm being involved, where hesent the back cast every time up
and in back, like kind of whatwe call tournament style, which is
what's been around for 170years. And that's what he practiced
(03:42):
the most. And so he had justthe perfect trajectory going upward
at 5, 10 degrees. You know,the back cast wasn't dropping downward
to where it made it really acakewalk to go forward and make it
look respectable. And thattakes people a lot of work knowing
what causes that and what,what they gotta do to make that happen.
And I think, you know, weexplained that a lot during that
(04:04):
thing last year for him howthat works. And he just, he just
basically make. You gotta makepeople really come up to speed to
where they know what it isthey're supposed to do. And when
they see them not doing it onfilm, like when they use their phone
and they understand exactlywhat it is they need to change. And
a lot of times we don't havethat out of body experience without
(04:26):
using their phone.
Yeah. And the interestingthing too, you were Telling me in
the practice sessions, youwere saying, you know, obviously
come back to that foundationalstroke. And that's pretty consistent
with, you know, like, theclass you and I put together, like,
you know, understand, youknow, the perfect cast in the vertical
plane. But then you also saidthat he spent some time. Basically,
you know, what you and I wouldtalk about either, you know, changing
(04:48):
the cast by basicallyapplication of force or reducing
force to throw, like, curvesand podcasts and tuck casts, too.
Right, Right. Yeah, he coulddo all that as well. He was in the
aerial men class that wetaught on Sunday out there, and he
was already pretty gifted atall that. He was already, you know,
way ahead of the curve. And soI took him aside because Gary and
(05:08):
I combined the class as GaryBorger, and I took him aside and
did a whole bunch of extrathings. He was ready for the extra
things, you know, so I kind ofworked with him separately during
the. During that class becausethere was a lot of things that he
wanted to know, you know whatI mean, that were in addition to
what he had already heard lastyear. So, yeah, it was really. It's
(05:29):
really kind of neat justrealizing, like, man, we didn't have
that when I was a kid. Wedidn't have cell phones in our pocket.
We were doing it from theschool of hard knocks, like, playing
with it over and over andfinally seeing these light bulb moments
go off. And. And, man, I lookback at it now and think, just think
if we had phones to be able touse back then, how it would have
(05:51):
changed things.
Yeah, and I would say, too,you know, the phone is great, but
there are also apps you canput on your phone that a lot of kids
use for either football orparticularly for baseball. One of
them is called Coach's Eye.And, you know, the great thing is
you can shoot the video, butthen you can also annotate it and,
like, put, you know, where youreally wanted the rod to stop. It
(06:12):
makes it a lot easier to kindof look at the mechanics and break
the mechanics down. So ifpeople are interested in that, you
can just go to the. Go to theapp store for the iPhone. I know
coach's eyes 1. There are acouple others, but you'll find a
bunch, and you can kind ofplay around with them. And the cool
thing with that is they're setup so that you can take the video
and send it to a teacher tohave it critiqued and have it sent
back to you.
(06:32):
Oh, yeah, yeah. I use Coach'sEye quite a bit with. With different
students. That we'rementoring. And it's, it's a wonderful
app because you can just, youcan freeze frame it, say, you know,
go, go, 26 seconds in, let'sstop it right there. And they can
do it in slow mo. They canstop it. Then you can actually talk
to them while, I mean like azoom call where you're actually looking
(06:53):
at it while you're, whileyou're talking about it or you can
share screen. There's allkinds of possibilities there with
it. But, but yeah, we use it alot for, for mentoring people around
that don't live anywhere closeto North Carolina. Like right now
we're mentoring like fivedifferent people from Japan. Like,
I've never even met them, butwe've been working on stuff for eight
months. And it's like you cando some amazing stuff from far away
(07:16):
places and do it in theprivacy of your house and literally
it's the same thing as if youwere standing there in a field with
him, you know?
Yeah. But, you know, then youalso had the great experience while
you've been on the fly fishingshow circuit that, you know, a lot
of international casters came,you know, whether it was Edison or
Denver or out on the westcoast too, right?
Oh yeah, like getting to hangout with Glenda, Glenda Powell from
(07:39):
Ireland was, was really funout in California. She was at Edison.
I just didn't get a chance toreally talk to her a lot there because
we were both so busy but sounpleasant and gave us quite a bit
of time there Friday,Saturday, Sunday to talk about at
night, you know, casting anddifferent things. And he's just wonderful,
wonderful teacher. You know,she's like one of the best women
(08:01):
teachers I've ever met. So Ireally enjoyed that, getting, getting
to spend time with her. Yeah.
And there were a few otherfolks too, right?
Oh yeah, yeah, there's,there's, there's a bunch of them.
Tony from the casting clubthat taught Tim and Steve and Chris
when they were little withaccuracy. I mean, he's there from
Japan and you know, I alwayslove, that's the thing I love about
(08:23):
Pleasanton is you got all thishistory going back a hundred, 100
plus years, actually 130 yearsthrough the clubs there at Oakland
and Golden Gate. And I meanthe people that come out, you know,
there's a lot of timessomebody that really, really knows
what's going on and it's justfun to spend time and you know, I
would never get that livingstaying in Bryson City because all
(08:46):
the history I Mean, there'snot any tournament club coming out
of Bryson City, even thoughthere's a lot of good anglers and
stuff. I mean, but a lot ofthose world champions that came out
of Golden Gate and Oaklandover the years, I just think it's
always really a, a fun placeto be. It's one of the smaller shows
of the, of the whole showcircuit. But the quality of the people
that come to it, I think isjust a lot of fun for me personally,
(09:08):
because I was a huge fan ofthat when I was a kid.
Yeah, you know, it'sinteresting too. Right, so you've
got two fly fishing showsleft. You're going to be in Lancaster
not this weekend, but nextweekend. And then I guess you're
going to. There's a show inMinneapolis. Right. And then you're
kind of done with shows andit's kind of guiding in schools,
right?
Yeah, yeah, that's right. Wegot a school starting tomorrow and
(09:28):
then the, the one inLancaster, we got the all day class.
Gary's done with the showseason and, and I'll run the all
day class on Friday up inLancaster. I don't even know what's,
what's signed up or, or not. Idon't know how many people's in it.
I don't really know that untila few days before the show. But I'm
looking forward to doing itagain up there. And then we'll do
(09:50):
the Viroqua School in betweenLancaster and the Great Water Show.
Then after the Great WaterShow, I think I'm done with shows
for the year.
Yeah. And so you want to kindof give folks kind of a 30,000 foot
view of, you know, obviouslyyou're guiding but you know, kind
of your upcoming schools andkind of how to get in touch and all
that kind of good stuff.
(10:11):
Yeah. Best way is on eitherMacGround fly fish.com or the fly
fishinggodschool.com that hasall the different programs. There's
a lot of specialty weekendclasses, depends what folks are looking
at. So what we tried to do acouple years ago because we had a
lot of the, you know, five dayschools and we realized, well, there's
a lot of them that want tojust come for two day school. And
(10:32):
so what we did is we justincorporated a lot of the, the things
into the two days when the twoday school would happen and just
incorporate, bring moreinstructors and put them in the stuff
that's already the five dayschool just for efficiency of scale,
you know. And that way if theyonly have two days to do it or three
days, then they can, they canshorten it instead of having a whole
(10:53):
specialized three day schoolwhen you're already running it. You
know, it doesn't make sense tome at this age to say things over
and over the next week. Thesame thing you said this week. So
I just think it's a better useof, of time and efficiency for what
we're trying to do here.
Yeah. So, you know, before,let's say, you know, what do you
(11:13):
have kind of, you know, springinto early summer from a kind of
a class perspective, just sofolks can kind of start thinking
about, you know, maybe makinga trip to Bryson City.
Yeah, well, after this Marchwhen the, the middle April one's
already filled out, so we'llhave another one the end of April
and that's still got a couplespots left. And then there's specialized
(11:35):
like wet fly clinics and dryfly schools that are two days long.
There's nymphing two dayschools. And we have the one, of
course at Mountain Home,Arkansas was Davey Watt. That's going
to be in October, that'slisted on the website. And pretty
much dealing with finishingthose schools up. And then just trips.
(11:56):
Of course, it always happens.Since 1985, people will call, demand
will jump big time in July,August, which has been one of the
frustrating things for mepersonally. That's not the time to
come, you know what I mean?But you deal with tourists always
in July and August and it'slike the worst time of the year,
to be honest with you. But howto get that message out, I don't
(12:18):
know. We've written articles,we've written all kinds of stuff,
national publications. It'sall over my website. I don't think
that'll ever change long, longafter I'm gone. People will come
to the mountains because it'scool in July, August and think they
want to catch trout. It's justa tougher time of year to do it.
It's not the time to go learnit. It's what I'm trying to say.
But want to do a trip andlearn about the fundamentals that
(12:40):
time of year, that's fine withme. It's just, it's probably a tenth
of the activity they would seein the springtime.
No, absolutely. You know,folks, as I always say, you know,
if you're somewhere in thecountry where it's starting to warm
up and you can go fish, youshould do that. If you can't do that,
you know, and it's still cold,where you are. Tie some flies. Or
if you're close to one ofthese fly fishing shows, check them
out. Tight lines, everybody.Tight lines, Mac.
(13:04):
Tight lines, Marvin.
Hey folks, it's Marvin Cash,the host of the Articulate Fly. We're
back with another castingangles with Mac Brown. Mac, how are
you?
I'm doing great. How youdoing, Marvin?
As always, I'm just trying tostay out of trouble. And you know,
you finally got home from yourwestern tour on the fly fishing show
and gosh, you just told meyou've got one night and tomorrow
you start a fly fishing school.
(00:26):
That's right, we start ofschool tomorrow. So yeah, it's perfect
timing. It's been nice herelike in the 60s. Tomorrow they're
calling for snow in like 50mile an hour winds. So I'm like,
welcome back. But it's alwaysthat way early March.
Yeah, it's interesting. Butyou know, you were, you were more
excited than normal. You kindof got juiced up by spending a lot
(00:48):
of time with students and youhad some stuff from the road you
wanted to relate to, folks.
Oh yeah, yeah. I wanted totalk about just the, the tool that
everybody has in their pocketfor when we talk about all these
podcasts and about improvingtheir casting once people know what
it is they're looking for. Wehad a guy in one of the classes out
there that, that took a schoollast year named Al. And when he got
(01:10):
up, I, you know, I see a lotof people on the road and I was like,
man, it looks like he shouldbe doing a demo, you know. And I
asked him, where'd you learnthat? He said, I learned that in
your class last year, the twoand a half hour distance class. And
he's really worked at it threeto four hours a week for the past
year, for 52 weeks. And I'mnot kidding you, it totally transformed
(01:31):
like what he'd been doing forall these years. And it was just,
it's really gratifying whenyou see that. When you see somebody
that comes back and says, youknow, I use my phone, I look at it
and I study it and I go backand I try it again. And that's really
a kind of a cool thing, isn't it?
Yeah, absolutely. So if webreak that down a little bit, you
know, one, and this issomething you and I talk about a
(01:51):
lot. We talk about practicingwith purpose, right?
Oh yeah. Practicing withpurpose and just getting the acquisition
of this with knowing what itis you to look for, you know, and
a lot of people look for itand go, well there, I did one. You
know, Marvin, I'm good. I didone. And the reality is to get, to
put it in retention is a Lotlike, like there's a saying that
(02:14):
I remember as a kid, like Iused to be a big Bruce Lee fan, you
know, about water and a lot ofthings. You've heard me talk about
that before. But he, he talksabout one of the quotes that, that
he came up with is, don'tpractice till you get it right, practice
till you can't get it wrong.And that's what the phone can help
people do. Like once they knowwhat they're looking for, is to practice
(02:36):
and practice and practice tillthey can repeat it over and over
in a consistent manner ratherthan saying, oh, Marvin, do you see
that? The 20th cast, itfinally looked good. I think a lot
of people practice where theyfinally get one and they think they've
got it. And I really think theretention phase is totally different.
The way, the way we put itinto myelination, muscle memory,
(02:58):
or whatever you want to callit, to where they can actually repeat
it. And that's what was sogratifying about CNL out there in
California.
Yeah. And you were telling me,you know, he's practicing three hours
a week. But you had arelatively kind of simple. Because
everyone's going to reach outand say, well, dude, what did you
do? And you had a prettysimple practice routine. You want
to share that with folks?
(03:19):
Well, the practice routine wasjust going through the basic fundamental
stroke of making a proper backcast with full arm, full arm casting,
not, not wrist casting orbicep, tricep casting, but the full
arm being involved, where hesent the back cast every time up
and in back, like kind of whatwe call tournament style, which is
what's been around for 170years. And that's what he practiced
(03:42):
the most. And so he had justthe perfect trajectory going upward
at 5, 10 degrees. You know,the back cast wasn't dropping downward
to where it made it really acakewalk to go forward and make it
look respectable. And thattakes people a lot of work knowing
what causes that and what,what they gotta do to make that happen.
And I think, you know, weexplained that a lot during that
(04:04):
thing last year for him howthat works. And he just, he just
basically make. You gotta makepeople really come up to speed to
where they know what it isthey're supposed to do. And when
they see them not doing it onfilm, like when they use their phone
and they understand exactlywhat it is they need to change. And
a lot of times we don't havethat out of body experience without
(04:26):
using their phone.
Yeah. And the interestingthing too, you were Telling me in
the practice sessions, youwere saying, you know, obviously
come back to that foundationalstroke. And that's pretty consistent
with, you know, like, theclass you and I put together, like,
you know, understand, youknow, the perfect cast in the vertical
plane. But then you also saidthat he spent some time. Basically,
you know, what you and I wouldtalk about either, you know, changing
(04:48):
the cast by basicallyapplication of force or reducing
force to throw, like, curvesand podcasts and tuck casts, too.
Right, Right. Yeah, he coulddo all that as well. He was in the
aerial men class that wetaught on Sunday out there, and he
was already pretty gifted atall that. He was already, you know,
way ahead of the curve. And soI took him aside because Gary and
(05:08):
I combined the class as GaryBorger, and I took him aside and
did a whole bunch of extrathings. He was ready for the extra
things, you know, so I kind ofworked with him separately during
the. During that class becausethere was a lot of things that he
wanted to know, you know whatI mean, that were in addition to
what he had already heard lastyear. So, yeah, it was really. It's
(05:29):
really kind of neat justrealizing, like, man, we didn't have
that when I was a kid. Wedidn't have cell phones in our pocket.
We were doing it from theschool of hard knocks, like, playing
with it over and over andfinally seeing these light bulb moments
go off. And. And, man, I lookback at it now and think, just think
if we had phones to be able touse back then, how it would have
(05:51):
changed things.
Yeah, and I would say, too,you know, the phone is great, but
there are also apps you canput on your phone that a lot of kids
use for either football orparticularly for baseball. One of
them is called Coach's Eye.And, you know, the great thing is
you can shoot the video, butthen you can also annotate it and,
like, put, you know, where youreally wanted the rod to stop. It
(06:12):
makes it a lot easier to kindof look at the mechanics and break
the mechanics down. So ifpeople are interested in that, you
can just go to the. Go to theapp store for the iPhone. I know
coach's eyes 1. There are acouple others, but you'll find a
bunch, and you can kind ofplay around with them. And the cool
thing with that is they're setup so that you can take the video
and send it to a teacher tohave it critiqued and have it sent
back to you.
(06:32):
Oh, yeah, yeah. I use Coach'sEye quite a bit with. With different
students. That we'rementoring. And it's, it's a wonderful
app because you can just, youcan freeze frame it, say, you know,
go, go, 26 seconds in, let'sstop it right there. And they can
do it in slow mo. They canstop it. Then you can actually talk
to them while, I mean like azoom call where you're actually looking
(06:53):
at it while you're, whileyou're talking about it or you can
share screen. There's allkinds of possibilities there with
it. But, but yeah, we use it alot for, for mentoring people around
that don't live anywhere closeto North Carolina. Like right now
we're mentoring like fivedifferent people from Japan. Like,
I've never even met them, butwe've been working on stuff for eight
months. And it's like you cando some amazing stuff from far away
(07:16):
places and do it in theprivacy of your house and literally
it's the same thing as if youwere standing there in a field with
him, you know?
Yeah. But, you know, then youalso had the great experience while
you've been on the fly fishingshow circuit that, you know, a lot
of international casters came,you know, whether it was Edison or
Denver or out on the westcoast too, right?
Oh yeah, like getting to hangout with Glenda, Glenda Powell from
(07:39):
Ireland was, was really funout in California. She was at Edison.
I just didn't get a chance toreally talk to her a lot there because
we were both so busy but sounpleasant and gave us quite a bit
of time there Friday,Saturday, Sunday to talk about at
night, you know, casting anddifferent things. And he's just wonderful,
wonderful teacher. You know,she's like one of the best women
(08:01):
teachers I've ever met. So Ireally enjoyed that, getting, getting
to spend time with her. Yeah.
And there were a few otherfolks too, right?
Oh yeah, yeah, there's,there's, there's a bunch of them.
Tony from the casting clubthat taught Tim and Steve and Chris
when they were little withaccuracy. I mean, he's there from
Japan and you know, I alwayslove, that's the thing I love about
(08:23):
Pleasanton is you got all thishistory going back a hundred, 100
plus years, actually 130 yearsthrough the clubs there at Oakland
and Golden Gate. And I meanthe people that come out, you know,
there's a lot of timessomebody that really, really knows
what's going on and it's justfun to spend time and you know, I
would never get that livingstaying in Bryson City because all
(08:46):
the history I Mean, there'snot any tournament club coming out
of Bryson City, even thoughthere's a lot of good anglers and
stuff. I mean, but a lot ofthose world champions that came out
of Golden Gate and Oaklandover the years, I just think it's
always really a, a fun placeto be. It's one of the smaller shows
of the, of the whole showcircuit. But the quality of the people
that come to it, I think isjust a lot of fun for me personally,
(09:08):
because I was a huge fan ofthat when I was a kid.
Yeah, you know, it'sinteresting too. Right, so you've
got two fly fishing showsleft. You're going to be in Lancaster
not this weekend, but nextweekend. And then I guess you're
going to. There's a show inMinneapolis. Right. And then you're
kind of done with shows andit's kind of guiding in schools,
right?
Yeah, yeah, that's right. Wegot a school starting tomorrow and
(09:28):
then the, the one inLancaster, we got the all day class.
Gary's done with the showseason and, and I'll run the all
day class on Friday up inLancaster. I don't even know what's,
what's signed up or, or not. Idon't know how many people's in it.
I don't really know that untila few days before the show. But I'm
looking forward to doing itagain up there. And then we'll do
(09:50):
the Viroqua School in betweenLancaster and the Great Water Show.
Then after the Great WaterShow, I think I'm done with shows
for the year.
Yeah. And so you want to kindof give folks kind of a 30,000 foot
view of, you know, obviouslyyou're guiding but you know, kind
of your upcoming schools andkind of how to get in touch and all
that kind of good stuff.
(10:11):
Yeah. Best way is on eitherMacGround fly fish.com or the fly
fishinggodschool.com that hasall the different programs. There's
a lot of specialty weekendclasses, depends what folks are looking
at. So what we tried to do acouple years ago because we had a
lot of the, you know, five dayschools and we realized, well, there's
a lot of them that want tojust come for two day school. And
(10:32):
so what we did is we justincorporated a lot of the, the things
into the two days when the twoday school would happen and just
incorporate, bring moreinstructors and put them in the stuff
that's already the five dayschool just for efficiency of scale,
you know. And that way if theyonly have two days to do it or three
days, then they can, they canshorten it instead of having a whole
(10:53):
specialized three day schoolwhen you're already running it. You
know, it doesn't make sense tome at this age to say things over
and over the next week. Thesame thing you said this week. So
I just think it's a better useof, of time and efficiency for what
we're trying to do here.
Yeah. So, you know, before,let's say, you know, what do you
(11:13):
have kind of, you know, springinto early summer from a kind of
a class perspective, just sofolks can kind of start thinking
about, you know, maybe makinga trip to Bryson City.
Yeah, well, after this Marchwhen the, the middle April one's
already filled out, so we'llhave another one the end of April
and that's still got a couplespots left. And then there's specialized
(11:35):
like wet fly clinics and dryfly schools that are two days long.
There's nymphing two dayschools. And we have the one, of
course at Mountain Home,Arkansas was Davey Watt. That's going
to be in October, that'slisted on the website. And pretty
much dealing with finishingthose schools up. And then just trips.
(11:56):
Of course, it always happens.Since 1985, people will call, demand
will jump big time in July,August, which has been one of the
frustrating things for mepersonally. That's not the time to
come, you know what I mean?But you deal with tourists always
in July and August and it'slike the worst time of the year,
to be honest with you. But howto get that message out, I don't
(12:18):
know. We've written articles,we've written all kinds of stuff,
national publications. It'sall over my website. I don't think
that'll ever change long, longafter I'm gone. People will come
to the mountains because it'scool in July, August and think they
want to catch trout. It's justa tougher time of year to do it.
It's not the time to go learnit. It's what I'm trying to say.
But want to do a trip andlearn about the fundamentals that
(12:40):
time of year, that's fine withme. It's just, it's probably a tenth
of the activity they would seein the springtime.
No, absolutely. You know,folks, as I always say, you know,
if you're somewhere in thecountry where it's starting to warm
up and you can go fish, youshould do that. If you can't do that,
you know, and it's still cold,where you are. Tie some flies. Or
if you're close to one ofthese fly fishing shows, check them
out. Tight lines, everybody.Tight lines, Mac.
(13:04):
Tight lines, Marvin.
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