March 26, 2025 • 18 mins
In this episode of The Articulate Fly, host Marvin Cash reconnects with Ellis Ward for an insightful East Tennessee Fishing Report. Ellis shares the current weather conditions, highlighting the typical spring variability with temperatures swinging from the mid-40s to the upper 60s. He discusses the ongoing effects of siltation from Hurricane Helene, which have affected bug hatches and overall fishing conditions.
As the conversation unfolds, Ellis provides an update on the visibility in local rivers, noting that while it's not crystal clear, the conditions are still favorable for fishing. He dives into the nuances of fishing techniques, specifically addressing listener questions about mousing for trout and how to adapt fly designs based on the target species.
Ellis offers valuable insights into the behavior of different fish species, explaining how their feeding patterns influence fly selection and hook placement. With a mix of practical advice and entertaining anecdotes, this episode is packed with information for anglers looking to make the most of their time on the water.
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(00:00):
Hey, folks, it's Marvin Cash,the host of the Articulate Fly. We're
back with another EastTennessee Fishing report with Ellis
Ward. Ellis, how are you?
I'm doing well, Marv. How are you?
As always, I'm just trying tostay out of trouble and took a peek
at your weather and I wouldsay you got maybe slightly cool but
(00:21):
kind of normal spring weatherfor East Tennessee, right?
Yeah, we've had some couplewarm days and I don't know, it's,
it's been, it's. Yes, seasonalis seasonable. It hasn't been warm,
it hasn't been cold. It's beenboth and we've had a good amount
(00:44):
of wind, but, you know, highhighs in the mid upper 60s. You know,
we, we got some days wherethat sun kicks through and ends up
being closer to 75. And thenothers, other days where it stays
hidden. And we're looking atmore like mid-40s. So March.
(01:08):
Yeah. And so, you know,interesting, right? So you've still
got this kind of milky greenytinge on both rivers from the silt
from the hurricane. But, youknow, the last time we spoke, you
were getting excited becauseyou're starting to see bugs.
Yeah, yeah, I was getting realfired up. And I'm not going to say
(01:29):
it was premature, but I doneed to be honest with myself and
just recognize that it happensevery year right about this time.
It's, you just getinconsistent hatches. We're still,
I have to say it's the, youknow, it's that siltation just telling
(01:49):
the bugs to quiet down becausein, in high water releases. As much
as you might think that dryfly fishing or, or bugs hatching
would occur in low water, mostof the time it's that high water
is clear and you know, it'sjust like I'm going to try not to
(02:14):
dive down this rabbit hole,but it's, it's just like any other
predator prey relationshipwhen there's more places to hide,
you know, in certain placesthere's clearly some more safety.
We can get big hatches comingoff with the, with the water, you
(02:39):
know, whenever it gets there.And then you, you kind of see the
same when it's, when it'sfalling, you'll see bugs coming off
in different places and indifferent numbers. So that, that
pattern is just, it's stillirregular. And you know, at the same
time I am seeing more and moreso, you know, days getting longer,
(03:01):
light penetration continues toincrease, consultation drops a little
bit. And you know, the funpart is with, with the clarity being
what it is. It's. It's justsomething that is. I, I tried to,
to estimate on a trip thislast week, just pointing out in low
(03:22):
water how milky green it was,thinking that maybe it's. It's probably
under 10% of days thatnormally that we have this milky
grain. It lasts for a coupledays after rain at, you know, after
it's chocolate milk and thenit's back to gin clear. So it's,
(03:45):
it's certainly not something Icomplain about. I, I do miss the,
I think streamer fishingclients in hours five, six or seven
probably miss the occasionalstop for casting the risers. But,
you know, the risers wehaven't seen, just like the streamer
(04:08):
eaters that we have beenseeing are, Are up there and eating
with commitment. So fishingbeen. Been pretty good with, with
some hard days and yeah, atthe end of the day, very, very normal
March.
And interesting too, you know,to kind of give folks an idea. So
I was with you. I don't know.Gosh, a couple weeks ago, Two, three
(04:31):
weeks ago. You know, when wetalk about the visibility, I mean,
you can still, I would say,you know, visibility is what, three
or four feet, and then it kindof starts to get a little bit. You
start to lose a fly a littlebit. But I mean, it's not like it's,
you know, soupy milky, butthere's definitely a stain. Would
you say that's about right?
Yeah, I would say three orfour feet. And you know, for anyone
(04:52):
who hasn't fished these tailwaters or a tail water, I remember
the Gunpowder and Savage beingpretty similar. Like normally in
low water you're countinggrains of sand and not pebbles. I
mean, you, you can see sandand in high water you're, you're
(05:14):
counting pebbles and blades ofgrass over weed beds. And now in
low water, it's. You canbarely make out what the substrate
is on the bottom. And in highwater you're, you know, you can't
see boulders. So the. Yeah,the visibility is still for, for
(05:38):
any other body of water andany other freestone is still great.
I mean, there's really noother way to describe it. It's just
super fishy. It looks like areally fishy level of clarity that
you would expect from alimestone creek when it's running
pretty good.
Yeah. And got a question foryou from Andy. He wanted. And he's
(06:00):
excited just like you will besoon. Right. He wanted to know when
does mousing start? And, youknow, how do you vary your fly design
based on the species thatyou're pursuing with the mouse.
Yeah, I think every, everyOctober, every Halloween, you know,
(06:21):
I'm, I'm Happy gilmore. I'msaying 300 and 200 and something
days till mouse and seasonbegins. It's really, and I'm, I'm
going to not dive down thisone, but mice are mammals. If they
(06:42):
haven't found a place to staywarm during the winter, the tailwaters
don't freeze and have food ontheir banks. So to the extent you
can endure temperaturesmousing top water, whatever you want
(07:03):
to call it, is, you know, openfor business, it's really, it really
comes down to angler comfort.So I was, I was starting to think
about it last week with someof these 75, 80 degree days. That
said, nights are still in the,you know, upper 30s, so we're probably
(07:26):
still a couple weeks out.
Yeah, you don't want to haveto put your waders on every time
you have to drag the boat, right?
No, but man, sometimes I dojust because that water gets cold.
Yeah. And so in terms of, youknow, obviously, you know, your main
game is, you know, mousing forbig trout at night, but if you were
going for bass or anotherspecies, how would you change your
(07:49):
fly design?
Yeah, so I'm just going to getaway from, from top water and, and
kind of talk about fly designin general. I, I think that there's,
you get three different typesof eats, you know, rainbow trout,
(08:15):
steelhead, whatever you wantto call them. They're oftentimes.
And this is, this is fromwatching fish eat flies and, and
then also looking at wherehook points are and which hook points
and with articulated flies,single hook lures with three trebles
(08:36):
and lures with two browns.Browns eat right in the middle. You
know, whether or not they're,they're trying to, you know, nudge
a fish to turn it and eat ithead head first. Someone sent me
some video, you know, some,some slow motion, high res video
(08:56):
of, of them doing that with AlWies or something. And it's like,
all right, well, right, wrongor indifferent, what's, what is the
same thing that is happeningevery single time from a hooking
up perspective. And it's that,I mean, gosh, I, I have this image
(09:18):
of fish and a musky fly on asuper bitey day in big water with
this, you know, nothing crazy.It's a good trout. 20 ended up being
over 21. But like that's, it'snot crazy. Big blowing through the
surface, came all the way outof the water. Vertically, I had a
(09:39):
single hook. It's a muskiefly. So we'll dovetail on that a
little bit all the way throughthe surface. That hook point was
in the roof of its mouth andit was eating that thing squarely
in the middle. Fishing thesmall lures with, with two trebles
(10:02):
on them, it's, I mean, it'sjust crazy that this, the speed and
the accuracy that they have,you know, especially the, the smaller
fish, you'll, you'll see themcome in on, on just that, that middle
treble and it's, you know,it's an inch, inch and a half away
(10:25):
from the other one and, andthey didn't touch, they hit right
in the belly. So from a flydesign perspective, boy, Marv, you're
gonna have to shut this downat some point. I, I've, I've, I'll
use game changers as anexample of, of kind of how I fluctuate
(10:49):
and then maybe the swim bug alittle bit. But having two hooks
in can lead to the dry dropperconundrum of when you get a big eat
on a, on a game changer,Whether or not the hinges take away,
you know, that, that hook setforce, we're gonna leave that alone.
(11:15):
If you got that trailer and itgets on the outside of their face
or even on the inside of theirmouth, if it's a big fish and it
just ends up eating theladder, you know, the back 2/3 of
the fly, that, that opposingtension is, is gonna pull that, that
(11:37):
bigger hook out so you, youhave a smaller, stickier hook, let's
say with not as good of a set.Or maybe it's on the outside of their
face pulling on the larger,harder to set hook that's probably
on the inside of their mouth,probably on a bonier part of their
(11:59):
mouth. And so I, I, I startedto, after that happened enough, I
started to just do one hookpoint in the middle. And a little
of that is, is taken from,from Blaine. I fished with Chris
Willen a number of years agoand he showed me this, this T bone
that Blaine had tied. And Iremember running his hands down,
(12:21):
sort of slim it out and justshowing this. It's almost like a
catfish hook, this little,this dirty hook, you know, maybe
three out or four. Like inthe, the hook point was at like the
back 2/3 of the fly. And it'sjust when you get an eat, you want
(12:43):
as much, you always want asmuch advantage as possible. And so
sure, two hook points can begood, but man, if you put that thing
Two thirds of the way back,more than halfway back. That's for,
for brown trout, for muskie,that's their, their, that hook point
(13:07):
is going to find their face.And the only thing, I mean there's
nothing getting in the wayoutside of you. Not strip setting.
Like when you're strip setting100%, you're pointing your rod, you
don't have bow in your line.You're not lifting your rod, you're
not sweeping your rod to theleft or pushing it down. You're just
pulling on it. I mean dude,you can, you can break 30 pound mono.
(13:30):
It's kind of hard, but I meanyou can pull really hard on a direct
strip set. And all of thatforce is going to that, to that hook
point. So I, I, I'm partial tothe concept of, of reducing the number
of hook points. Swim bug, forexample, I like, you know that big
(13:51):
gap in the middle with ashank. And then, you know, Gamakatsu
B10 S6 is just, it's strongenough for most trout. I don't really
like it for striper, but areally sticky smaller hook in the
back and that front hook isoftentimes it's. So I'm tying that
(14:14):
for keel, for momentum, forswimming and casting dynamics. And,
and, and you know, they end upgetting that back hook on the inside
of their mouth. And sothere's, there's a lot of intentionality
that I sort of bypass whentalking about that fly and most of
(14:35):
my flies. But point beingwith, with, with trout, with muskie,
like if your hook point on theback hook is somewhere within like
a third of the body lengthaway from the bend of the front hook,
it's too close. That fronthook is, is effectively a bite guard.
(15:02):
Now with smallmouth, you, youknow, you look at the same fly and,
and how they would eat it.With the swim bug, for example, they're
going head first. There'sthey, they eat, they flare their
gills, they swim right throughit and, and, and vacuum it in. And
(15:24):
that back hook ends up on theoutside of their mouth a lot. And
so with, with smallmouth youcan certainly afford to get away
with leaning more towards thefront or just going one point just
because they're going to eatthe thing. And same principle with
(15:47):
reducing the number ofcompeting points of force, pulling
things out or just spreadingthat hook set over two different
points. So yeah, musky. Sameprinciples. Brown trout just everything's
a little upsized. But I meanyou don't need to go 6o, you don't
(16:10):
need to go 7o, you know, 2os 3odds, depending on what type of hook
they are. As long as they'reheavy enough gauge, that can increase
your hookup ratio. As long asthat hook point isn't blocked from
something bigger in front ofit and it's in the behind. Let's
(16:34):
say the front half of the fly,but really the front two thirds.
Well, there you go. We'll callit there. The drones are almost to
you.
Yes. We have to stop somewhere.
So, folks, we love questionson the articulate fly. You can email
me or DM me on social media,whatever is easiest for you. And
(16:56):
if we use your question, Iwill send you some articulate fly
swag, which may include asticker for the new podcast, the
Butcher Shop. We're justsaying. And when you're drawing for
some cool stuff from Ellis andEllis, before I let you go, you know,
I know you've probably beenprocessing Bucktail. You got all
kinds of stuff going on. Youwant to let folks know Bucktail status,
(17:16):
you know, Easter colors, howto get on the boat, all that kind
of good stuff.
Yeah, I need to. My pastelsneed some work. I've been. Yeah,
I've been chopping and. Anddying and have not uploaded. I want
(17:37):
to do a big batch release herein the next week or two. I'll make
an announcement on Instagramfor that. I'm on Instagram at Ellis
Ward Guides website for tripinformation. And Bucktail is ellis
ward flies.com and best way toreach me, talk to talk about whatever.
(18:02):
Fishing. I've had a lot ofguys reach out just wanting to ask
about fly design or they'recoming to fish here with their buddy
and they have a boat. Andlike, I love those conversations.
So the best way to do that andto book a trip is my cell phone at
513-543-0019.
Yeah. And you're up for alittle mild life coaching as well,
(18:24):
right?
Yeah, as long as people aregame for mediocre advice.
There you go. Well, folks, asI always say, particularly now that
it's pretty much warming upacross the country, even up north,
they're starting to thaw out.You. You owe it yourself to get out
there and catch a few. Tightlines, everybody. Tight lines. Ellis.
(18:45):
Appreciate it, Marvin.
Hey, folks, it's Marvin Cash,the host of the Articulate Fly. We're
back with another EastTennessee Fishing report with Ellis
Ward. Ellis, how are you?
I'm doing well, Marv. How are you?
As always, I'm just trying tostay out of trouble and took a peek
at your weather and I wouldsay you got maybe slightly cool but
(00:21):
kind of normal spring weatherfor East Tennessee, right?
Yeah, we've had some couplewarm days and I don't know, it's,
it's been, it's. Yes, seasonalis seasonable. It hasn't been warm,
it hasn't been cold. It's beenboth and we've had a good amount
(00:44):
of wind, but, you know, highhighs in the mid upper 60s. You know,
we, we got some days wherethat sun kicks through and ends up
being closer to 75. And thenothers, other days where it stays
hidden. And we're looking atmore like mid-40s. So March.
(01:08):
Yeah. And so, you know,interesting, right? So you've still
got this kind of milky greenytinge on both rivers from the silt
from the hurricane. But, youknow, the last time we spoke, you
were getting excited becauseyou're starting to see bugs.
Yeah, yeah, I was getting realfired up. And I'm not going to say
(01:29):
it was premature, but I doneed to be honest with myself and
just recognize that it happensevery year right about this time.
It's, you just getinconsistent hatches. We're still,
I have to say it's the, youknow, it's that siltation just telling
(01:49):
the bugs to quiet down becausein, in high water releases. As much
as you might think that dryfly fishing or, or bugs hatching
would occur in low water, mostof the time it's that high water
is clear and you know, it'sjust like I'm going to try not to
(02:14):
dive down this rabbit hole,but it's, it's just like any other
predator prey relationshipwhen there's more places to hide,
you know, in certain placesthere's clearly some more safety.
We can get big hatches comingoff with the, with the water, you
(02:39):
know, whenever it gets there.And then you, you kind of see the
same when it's, when it'sfalling, you'll see bugs coming off
in different places and indifferent numbers. So that, that
pattern is just, it's stillirregular. And you know, at the same
time I am seeing more and moreso, you know, days getting longer,
(03:01):
light penetration continues toincrease, consultation drops a little
bit. And you know, the funpart is with, with the clarity being
what it is. It's. It's justsomething that is. I, I tried to,
to estimate on a trip thislast week, just pointing out in low
(03:22):
water how milky green it was,thinking that maybe it's. It's probably
under 10% of days thatnormally that we have this milky
grain. It lasts for a coupledays after rain at, you know, after
it's chocolate milk and thenit's back to gin clear. So it's,
(03:45):
it's certainly not something Icomplain about. I, I do miss the,
I think streamer fishingclients in hours five, six or seven
probably miss the occasionalstop for casting the risers. But,
you know, the risers wehaven't seen, just like the streamer
(04:08):
eaters that we have beenseeing are, Are up there and eating
with commitment. So fishingbeen. Been pretty good with, with
some hard days and yeah, atthe end of the day, very, very normal
March.
And interesting too, you know,to kind of give folks an idea. So
I was with you. I don't know.Gosh, a couple weeks ago, Two, three
(04:31):
weeks ago. You know, when wetalk about the visibility, I mean,
you can still, I would say,you know, visibility is what, three
or four feet, and then it kindof starts to get a little bit. You
start to lose a fly a littlebit. But I mean, it's not like it's,
you know, soupy milky, butthere's definitely a stain. Would
you say that's about right?
Yeah, I would say three orfour feet. And you know, for anyone
(04:52):
who hasn't fished these tailwaters or a tail water, I remember
the Gunpowder and Savage beingpretty similar. Like normally in
low water you're countinggrains of sand and not pebbles. I
mean, you, you can see sandand in high water you're, you're
(05:14):
counting pebbles and blades ofgrass over weed beds. And now in
low water, it's. You canbarely make out what the substrate
is on the bottom. And in highwater you're, you know, you can't
see boulders. So the. Yeah,the visibility is still for, for
(05:38):
any other body of water andany other freestone is still great.
I mean, there's really noother way to describe it. It's just
super fishy. It looks like areally fishy level of clarity that
you would expect from alimestone creek when it's running
pretty good.
Yeah. And got a question foryou from Andy. He wanted. And he's
(06:00):
excited just like you will besoon. Right. He wanted to know when
does mousing start? And, youknow, how do you vary your fly design
based on the species thatyou're pursuing with the mouse.
Yeah, I think every, everyOctober, every Halloween, you know,
(06:21):
I'm, I'm Happy gilmore. I'msaying 300 and 200 and something
days till mouse and seasonbegins. It's really, and I'm, I'm
going to not dive down thisone, but mice are mammals. If they
(06:42):
haven't found a place to staywarm during the winter, the tailwaters
don't freeze and have food ontheir banks. So to the extent you
can endure temperaturesmousing top water, whatever you want
(07:03):
to call it, is, you know, openfor business, it's really, it really
comes down to angler comfort.So I was, I was starting to think
about it last week with someof these 75, 80 degree days. That
said, nights are still in the,you know, upper 30s, so we're probably
(07:26):
still a couple weeks out.
Yeah, you don't want to haveto put your waders on every time
you have to drag the boat, right?
No, but man, sometimes I dojust because that water gets cold.
Yeah. And so in terms of, youknow, obviously, you know, your main
game is, you know, mousing forbig trout at night, but if you were
going for bass or anotherspecies, how would you change your
(07:49):
fly design?
Yeah, so I'm just going to getaway from, from top water and, and
kind of talk about fly designin general. I, I think that there's,
you get three different typesof eats, you know, rainbow trout,
(08:15):
steelhead, whatever you wantto call them. They're oftentimes.
And this is, this is fromwatching fish eat flies and, and
then also looking at wherehook points are and which hook points
and with articulated flies,single hook lures with three trebles
(08:36):
and lures with two browns.Browns eat right in the middle. You
know, whether or not they're,they're trying to, you know, nudge
a fish to turn it and eat ithead head first. Someone sent me
some video, you know, some,some slow motion, high res video
(08:56):
of, of them doing that with AlWies or something. And it's like,
all right, well, right, wrongor indifferent, what's, what is the
same thing that is happeningevery single time from a hooking
up perspective. And it's that,I mean, gosh, I, I have this image
(09:18):
of fish and a musky fly on asuper bitey day in big water with
this, you know, nothing crazy.It's a good trout. 20 ended up being
over 21. But like that's, it'snot crazy. Big blowing through the
surface, came all the way outof the water. Vertically, I had a
(09:39):
single hook. It's a muskiefly. So we'll dovetail on that a
little bit all the way throughthe surface. That hook point was
in the roof of its mouth andit was eating that thing squarely
in the middle. Fishing thesmall lures with, with two trebles
(10:02):
on them, it's, I mean, it'sjust crazy that this, the speed and
the accuracy that they have,you know, especially the, the smaller
fish, you'll, you'll see themcome in on, on just that, that middle
treble and it's, you know,it's an inch, inch and a half away
(10:25):
from the other one and, andthey didn't touch, they hit right
in the belly. So from a flydesign perspective, boy, Marv, you're
gonna have to shut this downat some point. I, I've, I've, I'll
use game changers as anexample of, of kind of how I fluctuate
(10:49):
and then maybe the swim bug alittle bit. But having two hooks
in can lead to the dry dropperconundrum of when you get a big eat
on a, on a game changer,Whether or not the hinges take away,
you know, that, that hook setforce, we're gonna leave that alone.
(11:15):
If you got that trailer and itgets on the outside of their face
or even on the inside of theirmouth, if it's a big fish and it
just ends up eating theladder, you know, the back 2/3 of
the fly, that, that opposingtension is, is gonna pull that, that
(11:37):
bigger hook out so you, youhave a smaller, stickier hook, let's
say with not as good of a set.Or maybe it's on the outside of their
face pulling on the larger,harder to set hook that's probably
on the inside of their mouth,probably on a bonier part of their
(11:59):
mouth. And so I, I, I startedto, after that happened enough, I
started to just do one hookpoint in the middle. And a little
of that is, is taken from,from Blaine. I fished with Chris
Willen a number of years agoand he showed me this, this T bone
that Blaine had tied. And Iremember running his hands down,
(12:21):
sort of slim it out and justshowing this. It's almost like a
catfish hook, this little,this dirty hook, you know, maybe
three out or four. Like inthe, the hook point was at like the
back 2/3 of the fly. And it'sjust when you get an eat, you want
(12:43):
as much, you always want asmuch advantage as possible. And so
sure, two hook points can begood, but man, if you put that thing
Two thirds of the way back,more than halfway back. That's for,
for brown trout, for muskie,that's their, their, that hook point
(13:07):
is going to find their face.And the only thing, I mean there's
nothing getting in the wayoutside of you. Not strip setting.
Like when you're strip setting100%, you're pointing your rod, you
don't have bow in your line.You're not lifting your rod, you're
not sweeping your rod to theleft or pushing it down. You're just
pulling on it. I mean dude,you can, you can break 30 pound mono.
(13:30):
It's kind of hard, but I meanyou can pull really hard on a direct
strip set. And all of thatforce is going to that, to that hook
point. So I, I, I'm partial tothe concept of, of reducing the number
of hook points. Swim bug, forexample, I like, you know that big
(13:51):
gap in the middle with ashank. And then, you know, Gamakatsu
B10 S6 is just, it's strongenough for most trout. I don't really
like it for striper, but areally sticky smaller hook in the
back and that front hook isoftentimes it's. So I'm tying that
(14:14):
for keel, for momentum, forswimming and casting dynamics. And,
and, and you know, they end upgetting that back hook on the inside
of their mouth. And sothere's, there's a lot of intentionality
that I sort of bypass whentalking about that fly and most of
(14:35):
my flies. But point beingwith, with, with trout, with muskie,
like if your hook point on theback hook is somewhere within like
a third of the body lengthaway from the bend of the front hook,
it's too close. That fronthook is, is effectively a bite guard.
(15:02):
Now with smallmouth, you, youknow, you look at the same fly and,
and how they would eat it.With the swim bug, for example, they're
going head first. There'sthey, they eat, they flare their
gills, they swim right throughit and, and, and vacuum it in. And
(15:24):
that back hook ends up on theoutside of their mouth a lot. And
so with, with smallmouth youcan certainly afford to get away
with leaning more towards thefront or just going one point just
because they're going to eatthe thing. And same principle with
(15:47):
reducing the number ofcompeting points of force, pulling
things out or just spreadingthat hook set over two different
points. So yeah, musky. Sameprinciples. Brown trout just everything's
a little upsized. But I meanyou don't need to go 6o, you don't
(16:10):
need to go 7o, you know, 2os 3odds, depending on what type of hook
they are. As long as they'reheavy enough gauge, that can increase
your hookup ratio. As long asthat hook point isn't blocked from
something bigger in front ofit and it's in the behind. Let's
(16:34):
say the front half of the fly,but really the front two thirds.
Well, there you go. We'll callit there. The drones are almost to
you.
Yes. We have to stop somewhere.
So, folks, we love questionson the articulate fly. You can email
me or DM me on social media,whatever is easiest for you. And
(16:56):
if we use your question, Iwill send you some articulate fly
swag, which may include asticker for the new podcast, the
Butcher Shop. We're justsaying. And when you're drawing for
some cool stuff from Ellis andEllis, before I let you go, you know,
I know you've probably beenprocessing Bucktail. You got all
kinds of stuff going on. Youwant to let folks know Bucktail status,
(17:16):
you know, Easter colors, howto get on the boat, all that kind
of good stuff.
Yeah, I need to. My pastelsneed some work. I've been. Yeah,
I've been chopping and. Anddying and have not uploaded. I want
(17:37):
to do a big batch release herein the next week or two. I'll make
an announcement on Instagramfor that. I'm on Instagram at Ellis
Ward Guides website for tripinformation. And Bucktail is ellis
ward flies.com and best way toreach me, talk to talk about whatever.
(18:02):
Fishing. I've had a lot ofguys reach out just wanting to ask
about fly design or they'recoming to fish here with their buddy
and they have a boat. Andlike, I love those conversations.
So the best way to do that andto book a trip is my cell phone at
513-543-0019.
Yeah. And you're up for alittle mild life coaching as well,
(18:24):
right?
Yeah, as long as people aregame for mediocre advice.
There you go. Well, folks, asI always say, particularly now that
it's pretty much warming upacross the country, even up north,
they're starting to thaw out.You. You owe it yourself to get out
there and catch a few. Tightlines, everybody. Tight lines. Ellis.
(18:45):
Appreciate it, Marvin.
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