April 24, 2025 • 20 mins
In this episode of The Articulate Fly, host Marvin Cash is back with Ellis Ward for the latest East Tennessee Fishing Report. The duo kicks things off with a light-hearted discussion about Ellis' ongoing quest for the perfect focaccia recipe, emphasizing the importance of a good shore lunch for a successful day on the water. However, the conversation quickly turns to a common frustration among anglers: the relentless wind. Ellis shares his candid thoughts on how wind can ruin even the best fishing conditions, recounting their recent experience battling gusts of over 40 miles per hour.
As they delve deeper into the fishing report, Ellis highlights the recent caddis hatches and the unique opportunities they present for anglers. He explains how these hatches allow for more active dry fly presentations. The pair reflects on their recent fishing trip, where they managed to land some impressive catches despite the blustery conditions, showcasing the resilience and adaptability required for a successful day on the water.
Listeners will appreciate Ellis' insights on preferred knots, as he shares his go-to techniques for various fishing scenarios. From clinch knots for smaller bugs to non-slip loops for streamers, Ellis provides practical advice that will resonate with anglers of all skill levels. He also discusses his leader-building preferences, offering a glimpse into his thought process when it comes to terminal tackle setup.
This episode is packed with valuable tips, humorous anecdotes and a passion for fishing that will inspire listeners to get out on the water. Plus, Marvin invites listeners to reach out with their fishing questions, offering a chance to win some great swag!
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(00:00):
Hey, folks, it's Marvin Cash,the host of the Articulate Fly. We're
back with another EastTennessee fishing report with Ellis
Ward. Ellis, how are you?
I am doing well, Marv. How are you?
As always, I'm just trying tostay out of trouble and super curious.
Any new focaccia recipes thistime around?
(00:22):
Yeah, I've been tweaking thestarter a little bit, so instead
of feeding it every day at the24 hour mark, I'll, I've been doing
36 hours and over the courseof five days, you know, trying to
get, get that right amount ofgooeyness without letting it get
(00:44):
too dry. That does mean I'llhave to get up at, you know, in the
middle of the night every oncein a while, but it's worth it.
Yeah, I mean, you know,nothing assures a good day on the
water like a good shore lunch, right?
That's right. And again, anice medium soft goat cheese I find
compliments a hot day in thewater quite well.
(01:04):
Yeah. With an artisanal seltzer.
That's right.
Yep. So that's enough insidebaseball. You know, it's one, one
common refrain I've beenrecording a few more fishing reports
before I got to you thisevening is everyone's pretty damn
tired of the wind.
Oh, my God. Dude, there's,there's no faster way, there's no
(01:27):
shorter line to the end of mypatience. And it has honestly nothing
to do with, you know, anythingthat we're seeing that day. It, we
could, I, I could be funfishing. I, I could have, you know,
an absolute killer or whackand fish. If I'm in a flat and that
(01:51):
wind starts picking up, I'lltell you, it's going one direction,
which is the opposite of thedirection I want to be going. And
almost all of the time it, itis coming with unfishy conditions.
And I know I, I floated this alittle bit to you when we were out,
(02:12):
but it's the socked in dayswhere a day like today, you're going
to have AI remove some of thebug noises. But, you know, the peepers
are going, the crickets arescreaming. It's insulated. It's,
(02:35):
you know, you can't reallyhear the dogs across the, the hill
those days that are, the airfeels open, it's dry. The, the sun,
the sky is giant. You don'thave a cloud around for multiple
states. The fishing sucks. Andso it's like there's, I, I, we also,
(02:59):
you know, I talked about thisa little Bit how you start seeing
streamers come back from thebank, it lands a certain way, it
has a noise as a feeling. Itjust, there's a little pause and
a bump, bump and you get alittle bit of a mini walk and then
a kill down whatever you'refishing, bank, weed, bed and you
just, you get this like, ohGod, like that's going to get smoked.
(03:23):
And so that's this, these manymulti dimensional set of data that
tells your brain this is goodand it's fishy and things are. The
wind hits every single, thisis bad as quickly as possible. So
(03:45):
if you can't tell. Yeah, I'mwith everyone else, I'm sick of the
wind and I do feel like Marchand April can be some of the worst
of it. And at least for thisweek, looking into next week as well,
(04:08):
looking like some, some nicefishy spring days, mix of partly
sunnies, some thunderstorms.So some of that late spring summer
weather that I'm so excitedit's here.
Yeah. And just, just for folksto know, I mean I was on the boat
with Ellis last week and thefirst day we fished together we had
(04:30):
wind gusts of north of 40miles an hour probably until 4 o'clock
in the afternoon. And youknow, anyone who's met me knows that
I'm not a skinny small dudeand we were getting blown upstream
with an extra angler in theboat too.
If that were, if it weren'tyou, like I would have treated that
(04:54):
like if I know a lot ofclients, you know, shout out to everyone
who's, who's been on my boat abunch. I'm so, so thankful for the
network of, of clients andpeople that I know that I've developed
over the years. But you know,the, the handful of people that just
find me. If that were justlike a person that found me and we
(05:16):
went out and, and it was thatmidday, I would have called it, I
would have called it a halfday. I mean that was, that was the
windiest I've ever likecontinue to fish in. That was, that
was why for a couple hoursthere, that was wild.
Yeah. But I mean we managed toput, I don't know, probably 12 to
(05:37):
15 nice, you know, fish in theboat on the dry. So it's pretty killer
and not, you know, not bigbushy stuff, itty bitty stuff.
Yeah. No, I mean it's, I wasabout to say, not to toot my own
horn, but that's the point ofthis, isn't it? I've, I fished these
rivers and the musky water. Igot on in on my own so not with clients
(06:03):
in the boat for years in, inevery condition possible. And I,
you know I'm gonna go out andit like, I know it's gonna suck.
And, and the goal is to like,I don't always have a new moon with
socked in skies and just alittle bit of mist. Not enough to
(06:25):
shut bugs down like that. It'sso rare. And then you include angler
skills on top of it. It's likethe perfect storm. Happens so, so
rarely and so early on I justfound that like we gotta, I gotta
have plans A through gettinginto alphanumeric coding by season
(06:55):
by you know, are we fishing inthe day at night? So yeah. Thankfully
some of the stock the, thespots were, were paying and you and
your son kept the faith and ohboy. Casting dry flies, casting size
(07:15):
20 CDC flies in that wind. Imean there were, there were some
times where it's like almostwaiting and you know you're gonna
get a two second window wherethat wind cuts down to 15 miles an
hour instead of 30 and it'slike all right, better take it. So
I, I appreciate your hard workand faith and patience as well.
Yeah, I think the salvationtoo was you know the, the Cattus
(07:38):
are starting to come off so weactually could get away with a more
active dry fly present. Itwould have been pretty darn tough.
Yeah. And sort of aninteresting part of the, the that
cadis patch or the, or thecaddis pupa feeding, we get to fish
(08:00):
bigger bugs in certain typesof water and in a lot of that water
it's, it's, it's water thatwouldn't necessarily be my A plus
dry fly spots and, and thosewould like for the you know, mayfly
and midge fishing, those wouldbe generally slower water and like
(08:28):
we did a little bit of thatwith, with that one under the tree
that ended up just ghostingus. But like that type of sight fishing
with, with the little bugs andmayflies, like that's more flat stuff
and we again it's, you startgetting wind like that and the bugs
know not to come off. I don'tknow if it's the barometer, if, if
they're talking to theweatherman and, but they know not
(08:53):
to come out when it's 30 plusmile an hour wind. Like they don't
stand a chance. They're goingto get messed up on the surface of
the water or when they get upsomething bad is going to happen.
So it's, it just Shuts itdown. That with the caddish hatch
it's like you get a moreactive presentation. You're also
fishing somewhat. You knowthat active water, slightly more
(09:18):
turbulent, little faster andboy, some, some of those, I, I'm
just about to call them topwater eats. The, the dry fly eats
quote unquote. But eatingthose caddis pupa, doing it when
you're doing it the right way,it's just streamer fishing. It's
top water fish and you're,you're getting trout rocketing through
(09:40):
the surface and you know it'snot two feet a two foot brown but
that, that's, it's a lot offun. I'm glad you got to see a little
bit of it.
Yeah, absolutely. And got aquestion for you from Andy and this
is kind of a good thing at thebeginning of the season he wanted
to get your thoughts onpreferred terminal tackle nods.
Yeah, so that is a good, goodquestion. I mean with the, with,
(10:11):
with I'll just go short and,and sweet. For the little bugs. I'm
doing clinch knots and youknow, not to be too detailed but
I'll go, I'll go four or fiveturns. I think six, especially on
the little bugs. If I'm going5x on us on a size 18, I'm doing
(10:34):
four turns. It just. If you'redoing, you know, five, six turns
using 5x on a size 18 andlet's just say you're nymphing and
them and you're droppingsomething off the eye there, it.
That's just a lot of stuffright up front and you know, whether
(10:59):
or not there's visibility tothe fish, that concerns me less.
But I, I just think of it asyou're, you're putting, it's kind
of like a welded loop. Likeyou're, you're putting this chunk
of dense mass in a place thatdoesn't really make a whole lot of
sense. So that, that could beabsolute nonsense. But it's just.
(11:25):
My preferred technique guessis to err on the, the few turns and
I think four is the rightnumber for streamers. I'm doing a
non slip loop and I do one anda half turns. There's, there's a,
(11:49):
if you do one turn and pull itthrough the wrong way and I encourage
everyone, if you don't knowwhat I'm talking about, look up the
non slip loop high couple.It's a really, really easy knot and
I have, I have pressure testedso much of this stuff to no end only
(12:12):
to arrive at the sameConclusion that a lot of the times
it's kind of in the back of myhead, but it's just like, all right.
Or that it doesn't reallymatter because If I'm fishing 15
pound fluoro for trout, thebreaking point is a tree in fast
water. It's, that's almost theend of the story right there. You
(12:37):
can, okay, if you get a fishover 20 and you are absolute straight
line already sort of tight andpin it with everything you have and
you've just wrapped around abranch that has some spiky stuff,
you can snap 15 pound. Butotherwise, I mean I know I've, I've
(13:00):
demonstrated the. Let's, let'sput ourselves in the hospital for
a shoulder replacement on, onour strip sets. Like I, I, you can't
break 15 pound on a strip set.You're, you're getting through slack
and then you're going to movethe fish's face and the actual motion
(13:20):
the fly going through its, itsjaw. So I think there's some strength
implications between clenchand, and the, the non slip loop.
But that one and a half turnnon slip loop is just, it's quick,
it's easy, doesn't break. Imean when I'm losing flies, I, I
(13:46):
think you may have had acouple come back like this where
it's like we end up getting itback and it's, it's snapped off at
the swivel. So I'll do 20pound to a 35 pound little metal
swivel which is, I've juststarted doing this in the last year
(14:06):
and I really like them. Itallows me to keep that, that smooth
leader to, to line connectionthat I'll put UV resin on and I don't
move that and then I justreconnect. Fifteen pound fluoro,
that little swivel and that'sthe part that breaks that. You know,
(14:28):
that's where it snaps off.The, the one exclusion would be game
changers that are bigger andI'll call them sockier or floppier.
So I, I use clinch knotsfishing does because it's, it's just
(14:54):
casting and fouling up. Sohaving a tighter connection. You
know, you already have so muchmovement in the fly itself and, and
typically like I'm, you know,I'm talking the craft for changers
is, is really where I, I startto change how I'm approaching that
knot and we don't need as muchof a hinge and they're so much more
(15:18):
massive. They have the, theamount of mass in the fly is is so
much greater than the amountof mass in that 15 pound fluoro that
the fly is controllingeverything about the system versus
let's, you know, pressure testthis one and, and say a clinch knot
(15:40):
using 25 pound fluorocarbonand a size 8 relax single hook. Not
much mass. It's gonna looklike it's moving in the water with
a, like, like you have a stickattached to it and, and you're sort
of swinging it around. Youtake that exact same system and do
(16:04):
a loop knot and you havefreedom of movement at the, at the
point of connection. You takethat exact same system, replace that
stiff 25 pound with somethingmore supple like 15 pound and the,
the whole, the system moves alot more. And so it's kind of finding
(16:25):
that, that happy medium and,and changing things up when it gets,
you know, outweighed in, inone direction or another. And so,
you know, just very quicksummary. I know that's, that's a
bunch of different tangents,but clinch knots for the small bugs,
loop knots for the streamers.And then I, I go back to the clinch
(16:47):
if I'm fishing. Big heavy streamers.
Got it. And then in terms ofbuilding your leaders or leader to
tip it, are you a double uniknot, man?
I'm not, I've, I've screwedaround with, with this one a lot.
And I think it's, it's boileddown to just doing a blood knot and
(17:13):
all doing Albright. You know,if I'm going 15 to 25, that's Albright
time. I've had more than oneperson basically look at me and be
like, why aren't you doing a,you know, this, that or the other
double uni surgeons? And itjust comes down to like, what works
(17:42):
and where are the pain pointsin changing and where are the breaking
points in the system on aroutine basis and we're pinning flies
and trees in fast water andsnapping them off. And that happens
at the 15 pound section. Andlike it's, that's kind of the end
(18:07):
of the story for me. I, I canabsolutely, I mean, if, if anyone's
listening to this and, oh, youknow, you should be doing this, that
or the other, and saltwaterfishing or building, you know, multi
like their own taperedleaders. Yeah, there's absolutely
a place where something moresophisticated or simpler or whatever
(18:31):
is either the right orstronger or whatever answer. But
we can just call it habit atthis point. Yeah.
Well, there you go. Well, youknow, folks, we love questions on
the articulate fly. You canemail me or DM me on social media,
whatever is easiest for you.And if I use your question, we'll
send you some articulate flyswag or near you to a drawing for
(18:53):
some cool stuff from Ellis atthe end of the season. And Ellis,
before I let you go, you wantto let folks know how to reach out
to talk fishing, get on theboat and all that kind of good stuff.
Yeah. Best way to reach out ismy Cell phone at 513-543-0019. Website
(19:13):
is elliswardflies.com and Ikeep everyone updated sort of pictures
of flies and occasionally afish picture here and there at Ellis
Ward Guides on Instagram. AndI appreciate you not putting me on
(19:36):
the spot, but boy, I, I have apile of bucktail all homed out and
bagged and ready to go. So Iwill have those up this week and
we'll, we'll keep everyoneposted on Instagram.
Well, there you go. Well,folks, as always, say yo to yourself
(19:57):
to get out there and catch afew. Tight lines, everybody. Tight
lines. Ellis.
Appreciate it, Marvin.
Hey, folks, it's Marvin Cash,the host of the Articulate Fly. We're
back with another EastTennessee fishing report with Ellis
Ward. Ellis, how are you?
I am doing well, Marv. How are you?
As always, I'm just trying tostay out of trouble and super curious.
Any new focaccia recipes thistime around?
(00:22):
Yeah, I've been tweaking thestarter a little bit, so instead
of feeding it every day at the24 hour mark, I'll, I've been doing
36 hours and over the courseof five days, you know, trying to
get, get that right amount ofgooeyness without letting it get
(00:44):
too dry. That does mean I'llhave to get up at, you know, in the
middle of the night every oncein a while, but it's worth it.
Yeah, I mean, you know,nothing assures a good day on the
water like a good shore lunch, right?
That's right. And again, anice medium soft goat cheese I find
compliments a hot day in thewater quite well.
(01:04):
Yeah. With an artisanal seltzer.
That's right.
Yep. So that's enough insidebaseball. You know, it's one, one
common refrain I've beenrecording a few more fishing reports
before I got to you thisevening is everyone's pretty damn
tired of the wind.
Oh, my God. Dude, there's,there's no faster way, there's no
(01:27):
shorter line to the end of mypatience. And it has honestly nothing
to do with, you know, anythingthat we're seeing that day. It, we
could, I, I could be funfishing. I, I could have, you know,
an absolute killer or whackand fish. If I'm in a flat and that
(01:51):
wind starts picking up, I'lltell you, it's going one direction,
which is the opposite of thedirection I want to be going. And
almost all of the time it, itis coming with unfishy conditions.
And I know I, I floated this alittle bit to you when we were out,
(02:12):
but it's the socked in dayswhere a day like today, you're going
to have AI remove some of thebug noises. But, you know, the peepers
are going, the crickets arescreaming. It's insulated. It's,
(02:35):
you know, you can't reallyhear the dogs across the, the hill
those days that are, the airfeels open, it's dry. The, the sun,
the sky is giant. You don'thave a cloud around for multiple
states. The fishing sucks. Andso it's like there's, I, I, we also,
(02:59):
you know, I talked about thisa little Bit how you start seeing
streamers come back from thebank, it lands a certain way, it
has a noise as a feeling. Itjust, there's a little pause and
a bump, bump and you get alittle bit of a mini walk and then
a kill down whatever you'refishing, bank, weed, bed and you
just, you get this like, ohGod, like that's going to get smoked.
(03:23):
And so that's this, these manymulti dimensional set of data that
tells your brain this is goodand it's fishy and things are. The
wind hits every single, thisis bad as quickly as possible. So
(03:45):
if you can't tell. Yeah, I'mwith everyone else, I'm sick of the
wind and I do feel like Marchand April can be some of the worst
of it. And at least for thisweek, looking into next week as well,
(04:08):
looking like some, some nicefishy spring days, mix of partly
sunnies, some thunderstorms.So some of that late spring summer
weather that I'm so excitedit's here.
Yeah. And just, just for folksto know, I mean I was on the boat
with Ellis last week and thefirst day we fished together we had
(04:30):
wind gusts of north of 40miles an hour probably until 4 o'clock
in the afternoon. And youknow, anyone who's met me knows that
I'm not a skinny small dudeand we were getting blown upstream
with an extra angler in theboat too.
If that were, if it weren'tyou, like I would have treated that
(04:54):
like if I know a lot ofclients, you know, shout out to everyone
who's, who's been on my boat abunch. I'm so, so thankful for the
network of, of clients andpeople that I know that I've developed
over the years. But you know,the, the handful of people that just
find me. If that were justlike a person that found me and we
(05:16):
went out and, and it was thatmidday, I would have called it, I
would have called it a halfday. I mean that was, that was the
windiest I've ever likecontinue to fish in. That was, that
was why for a couple hoursthere, that was wild.
Yeah. But I mean we managed toput, I don't know, probably 12 to
(05:37):
15 nice, you know, fish in theboat on the dry. So it's pretty killer
and not, you know, not bigbushy stuff, itty bitty stuff.
Yeah. No, I mean it's, I wasabout to say, not to toot my own
horn, but that's the point ofthis, isn't it? I've, I fished these
rivers and the musky water. Igot on in on my own so not with clients
(06:03):
in the boat for years in, inevery condition possible. And I,
you know I'm gonna go out andit like, I know it's gonna suck.
And, and the goal is to like,I don't always have a new moon with
socked in skies and just alittle bit of mist. Not enough to
(06:25):
shut bugs down like that. It'sso rare. And then you include angler
skills on top of it. It's likethe perfect storm. Happens so, so
rarely and so early on I justfound that like we gotta, I gotta
have plans A through gettinginto alphanumeric coding by season
(06:55):
by you know, are we fishing inthe day at night? So yeah. Thankfully
some of the stock the, thespots were, were paying and you and
your son kept the faith and ohboy. Casting dry flies, casting size
(07:15):
20 CDC flies in that wind. Imean there were, there were some
times where it's like almostwaiting and you know you're gonna
get a two second window wherethat wind cuts down to 15 miles an
hour instead of 30 and it'slike all right, better take it. So
I, I appreciate your hard workand faith and patience as well.
Yeah, I think the salvationtoo was you know the, the Cattus
(07:38):
are starting to come off so weactually could get away with a more
active dry fly present. Itwould have been pretty darn tough.
Yeah. And sort of aninteresting part of the, the that
cadis patch or the, or thecaddis pupa feeding, we get to fish
(08:00):
bigger bugs in certain typesof water and in a lot of that water
it's, it's, it's water thatwouldn't necessarily be my A plus
dry fly spots and, and thosewould like for the you know, mayfly
and midge fishing, those wouldbe generally slower water and like
(08:28):
we did a little bit of thatwith, with that one under the tree
that ended up just ghostingus. But like that type of sight fishing
with, with the little bugs andmayflies, like that's more flat stuff
and we again it's, you startgetting wind like that and the bugs
know not to come off. I don'tknow if it's the barometer, if, if
they're talking to theweatherman and, but they know not
(08:53):
to come out when it's 30 plusmile an hour wind. Like they don't
stand a chance. They're goingto get messed up on the surface of
the water or when they get upsomething bad is going to happen.
So it's, it just Shuts itdown. That with the caddish hatch
it's like you get a moreactive presentation. You're also
fishing somewhat. You knowthat active water, slightly more
(09:18):
turbulent, little faster andboy, some, some of those, I, I'm
just about to call them topwater eats. The, the dry fly eats
quote unquote. But eatingthose caddis pupa, doing it when
you're doing it the right way,it's just streamer fishing. It's
top water fish and you're,you're getting trout rocketing through
(09:40):
the surface and you know it'snot two feet a two foot brown but
that, that's, it's a lot offun. I'm glad you got to see a little
bit of it.
Yeah, absolutely. And got aquestion for you from Andy and this
is kind of a good thing at thebeginning of the season he wanted
to get your thoughts onpreferred terminal tackle nods.
Yeah, so that is a good, goodquestion. I mean with the, with,
(10:11):
with I'll just go short and,and sweet. For the little bugs. I'm
doing clinch knots and youknow, not to be too detailed but
I'll go, I'll go four or fiveturns. I think six, especially on
the little bugs. If I'm going5x on us on a size 18, I'm doing
(10:34):
four turns. It just. If you'redoing, you know, five, six turns
using 5x on a size 18 andlet's just say you're nymphing and
them and you're droppingsomething off the eye there, it.
That's just a lot of stuffright up front and you know, whether
(10:59):
or not there's visibility tothe fish, that concerns me less.
But I, I just think of it asyou're, you're putting, it's kind
of like a welded loop. Likeyou're, you're putting this chunk
of dense mass in a place thatdoesn't really make a whole lot of
sense. So that, that could beabsolute nonsense. But it's just.
(11:25):
My preferred technique guessis to err on the, the few turns and
I think four is the rightnumber for streamers. I'm doing a
non slip loop and I do one anda half turns. There's, there's a,
(11:49):
if you do one turn and pull itthrough the wrong way and I encourage
everyone, if you don't knowwhat I'm talking about, look up the
non slip loop high couple.It's a really, really easy knot and
I have, I have pressure testedso much of this stuff to no end only
(12:12):
to arrive at the sameConclusion that a lot of the times
it's kind of in the back of myhead, but it's just like, all right.
Or that it doesn't reallymatter because If I'm fishing 15
pound fluoro for trout, thebreaking point is a tree in fast
water. It's, that's almost theend of the story right there. You
(12:37):
can, okay, if you get a fishover 20 and you are absolute straight
line already sort of tight andpin it with everything you have and
you've just wrapped around abranch that has some spiky stuff,
you can snap 15 pound. Butotherwise, I mean I know I've, I've
(13:00):
demonstrated the. Let's, let'sput ourselves in the hospital for
a shoulder replacement on, onour strip sets. Like I, I, you can't
break 15 pound on a strip set.You're, you're getting through slack
and then you're going to movethe fish's face and the actual motion
(13:20):
the fly going through its, itsjaw. So I think there's some strength
implications between clenchand, and the, the non slip loop.
But that one and a half turnnon slip loop is just, it's quick,
it's easy, doesn't break. Imean when I'm losing flies, I, I
(13:46):
think you may have had acouple come back like this where
it's like we end up getting itback and it's, it's snapped off at
the swivel. So I'll do 20pound to a 35 pound little metal
swivel which is, I've juststarted doing this in the last year
(14:06):
and I really like them. Itallows me to keep that, that smooth
leader to, to line connectionthat I'll put UV resin on and I don't
move that and then I justreconnect. Fifteen pound fluoro,
that little swivel and that'sthe part that breaks that. You know,
(14:28):
that's where it snaps off.The, the one exclusion would be game
changers that are bigger andI'll call them sockier or floppier.
So I, I use clinch knotsfishing does because it's, it's just
(14:54):
casting and fouling up. Sohaving a tighter connection. You
know, you already have so muchmovement in the fly itself and, and
typically like I'm, you know,I'm talking the craft for changers
is, is really where I, I startto change how I'm approaching that
knot and we don't need as muchof a hinge and they're so much more
(15:18):
massive. They have the, theamount of mass in the fly is is so
much greater than the amountof mass in that 15 pound fluoro that
the fly is controllingeverything about the system versus
let's, you know, pressure testthis one and, and say a clinch knot
(15:40):
using 25 pound fluorocarbonand a size 8 relax single hook. Not
much mass. It's gonna looklike it's moving in the water with
a, like, like you have a stickattached to it and, and you're sort
of swinging it around. Youtake that exact same system and do
(16:04):
a loop knot and you havefreedom of movement at the, at the
point of connection. You takethat exact same system, replace that
stiff 25 pound with somethingmore supple like 15 pound and the,
the whole, the system moves alot more. And so it's kind of finding
(16:25):
that, that happy medium and,and changing things up when it gets,
you know, outweighed in, inone direction or another. And so,
you know, just very quicksummary. I know that's, that's a
bunch of different tangents,but clinch knots for the small bugs,
loop knots for the streamers.And then I, I go back to the clinch
(16:47):
if I'm fishing. Big heavy streamers.
Got it. And then in terms ofbuilding your leaders or leader to
tip it, are you a double uniknot, man?
I'm not, I've, I've screwedaround with, with this one a lot.
And I think it's, it's boileddown to just doing a blood knot and
(17:13):
all doing Albright. You know,if I'm going 15 to 25, that's Albright
time. I've had more than oneperson basically look at me and be
like, why aren't you doing a,you know, this, that or the other
double uni surgeons? And itjust comes down to like, what works
(17:42):
and where are the pain pointsin changing and where are the breaking
points in the system on aroutine basis and we're pinning flies
and trees in fast water andsnapping them off. And that happens
at the 15 pound section. Andlike it's, that's kind of the end
(18:07):
of the story for me. I, I canabsolutely, I mean, if, if anyone's
listening to this and, oh, youknow, you should be doing this, that
or the other, and saltwaterfishing or building, you know, multi
like their own taperedleaders. Yeah, there's absolutely
a place where something moresophisticated or simpler or whatever
(18:31):
is either the right orstronger or whatever answer. But
we can just call it habit atthis point. Yeah.
Well, there you go. Well, youknow, folks, we love questions on
the articulate fly. You canemail me or DM me on social media,
whatever is easiest for you.And if I use your question, we'll
send you some articulate flyswag or near you to a drawing for
(18:53):
some cool stuff from Ellis atthe end of the season. And Ellis,
before I let you go, you wantto let folks know how to reach out
to talk fishing, get on theboat and all that kind of good stuff.
Yeah. Best way to reach out ismy Cell phone at 513-543-0019. Website
(19:13):
is elliswardflies.com and Ikeep everyone updated sort of pictures
of flies and occasionally afish picture here and there at Ellis
Ward Guides on Instagram. AndI appreciate you not putting me on
(19:36):
the spot, but boy, I, I have apile of bucktail all homed out and
bagged and ready to go. So Iwill have those up this week and
we'll, we'll keep everyoneposted on Instagram.
Well, there you go. Well,folks, as always, say yo to yourself
(19:57):
to get out there and catch afew. Tight lines, everybody. Tight
lines. Ellis.
Appreciate it, Marvin.
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