In this episode of The Articulate Fly, host Marvin Cash sits down with casting expert Mac Brown for another enlightening installment of Casting Angles. The duo reflects on their busy schedules, with Mac sharing insights from his recent casting and guide schools while Marvin prepares for a family milestone—his son's college graduation. They dive into the theme of efficiency in fly fishing, emphasizing the importance of keeping your fly in the water to maximize your chances of catching fish.
Mac breaks down essential techniques for improving casting efficiency, discussing the common pitfalls of 'yank syndrome' and the importance of line control. Listeners will learn how to effectively fish different water angles and maximize their drifts, as Mac explains the significance of working with the current rather than against it. With practical tips on casting techniques, including the circle pickup and up-down cast, this episode is packed with valuable advice for both novice and experienced anglers alike.
Whether you're gearing up for the spring fishing season or looking to refine your skills, this episode is a treasure trove of insights that will inspire you to get out on the water. Don't miss it!
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(00:03):
Hey folks, it's Marvin Cash,the host of the Articulate Fly. And
we're back with anotherCasting Angles with Mac Brown. Mac,
how are you?
I'm doing great. How youdoing, Marvin?
I'm, I'm glad to be home. I'vebeen traveling a lot and I think
you've been teaching a lot, right?
Yeah, it's been busy. It'sbeen busy since the last month. We've
been doing, doing a lot ofdifferent little schools, casting
(00:26):
schools and guide schools. Andwe, we're just now off this week
getting caught up on emailsand calls and all those other good
things.
Yeah, it's funny, I think Itold you before we started recording
that not this weekend, butnext weekend my oldest son graduates
from Chapel Hill. And when Icome home from that weekend, I will
have been home a grand totalof one out of the last six weekends.
(00:48):
Wow, that's a big event.That's a big life changing event
too. So congratulations.
Yeah, I appreciate it when youremember him when he was talking
junk to you when he was like 8years old at the Raleigh Fly Fishing
Show.
Yeah, when he was just alittle kid. Yeah, I do remember that.
It's hard to believe he's graduating.
He's 22. Dude, he'll be 23 in September.
(01:09):
Wow, they get big fast.
Yeah, they do. And you know,it's funny, right? We were talking
before we started recordingand we always kind of folks wrestle
with, you know, what do wewant to talk about? So we generally
spend, I don't know, a goodhalf hour catching up, brainstorming
and what we wanted to talkabout because, you know, really,
you know, we're kind of in thesweet spot of, you know, spring fly
(01:29):
fishing and kind of our neckof the woods is basically efficiency.
And that shows up in a lot ofdifferent ways. And you know, a really
simple way to think about itis, you know, if your fly's not in
the water, you're not going tobe catching fish. And so we kind
of work everything in ourprocess to, you know, keep the bugs
in the water as much aspossible. Right, Mac Brown?
That's right. That's right.And that's what we spent a lot of
(01:51):
time with, with the schoollast week. Just talking about efficiency
of movement, efficiency of, ofdrift and trying to maximize. How
long is it in the water? Howlong are you fishing it? How much
are you casting? You know, asmuch as we teach casting on the road,
everybody thinks we must liketo cast a lot. And I would say that's
so far from the truth, I thinkwhat you'll see is most people that
(02:12):
like casting cast the least byfar. And I think that's a good point
to get across about thisefficiency of. Of movement during
this podcast.
Yeah, I mean, I guess, youknow, we could probably start with
just breaking down water. And,you know, if you're fishing upstream,
you know, the general rule isfish close to far back to front,
right?
(02:33):
Yeah. And just learn to fish,you know, around all the, you know,
the clock faces around you.And the biggest thing we used to
see in wreck trips, which iswhat we don't want to see at this
age, is people will be lookingat something for whatever known reason,
and they. They put it in andit's not exactly where they wanted,
then they yank it. I used tocall that the yank syndrome. So that's
(02:55):
definitely not efficient. Youput it in and you make a big splash
and pull it back out and thenput it in, you missed your spot again
and you yanked it back out.So. So the Yank syndrome is. Definitely
needs to go. So let's addressthat first because that's actually
a really common problem whenyou work in, folks.
Yeah, I mean, it's aninteresting thing, right. Cause almost
nothing good happens fromdoing that. You're better off to
(03:17):
just kind of fish it outbecause you're probably going to
put down any fish that werethere ripping your flies out, right?
Oh, yeah. And then they throwit back in and get close to the same
spot they ripped it out. Nowthose fish are 20ft away anyway.
So when you're sitting therewatching it, you just shake your
head and kind of wonder, like,what are we doing here? So you got
to kind of get on that earlyif that's going on. But yeah, usually,
(03:40):
usually on the water, we tryto do things where. Where we get
it. You know, so much emphasison casting over the years that really.
About line controller, what dowe do once it's on the water? And
that takes a lot, really. Ithink line control is a lot tougher
to teach than casting, to behonest. But what we try to do is
optimize like what Swisher andRichards talked about in Selective
(04:04):
trout back in 72, about theclock faces. Learn to work 12, 3,
6, 9 o'clock, all the wayaround you, wherever you're standing.
And then to maximize thedrift, if you want to fish downstream,
of course, that means we'regoing to fish probably a lot more
line than what most peoplethink. And then when we go upstream,
let's say we're only casting30ft upstream, up and across. We're
(04:25):
going to use a reach man. Sowe don't want the line sitting on
top of the fish you're tryingto catch. And then let's say we can
let it go downstream 30ft. Sothat's a 60 foot drift you're never
going to see on guide tripslike wreck anglers getting 60 foot
drifts. Cause that's just notwhat they think of. But that's what
they should be thinking of. SoI think that's a good part of the
podcast karma here tonight isto try to talk about that efficiency.
(04:50):
Why can't they get 60ft?Because it's just not in their repertoire.
Yeah.
And I think some of thatthough, you know, if you think about
it, you know, the, the longeryou make your drift, I think it makes
you, it makes your castingmore efficient. Right. Because if
you've got a long driftdownstream of you, you know you're
going to be pretty close tobeing tight to start your forward
cast pretty much when youstart lifting those flies. Yeah.
(05:13):
And then it's all one motion.There's no false casting, there's
no anything. It's just, justthrow me. You can waterload it. If
you want to change angle andgo further across stream. You can
take the rod tip and swing itaround back of you, you know, so
it, so it's not straightdownstream. It's you know, 9ft or
10 foot, whatever length rodyou're holding. But you can have
(05:33):
it more lined up than to throwup in a cross. But that's just a
single motion. It's not afalse cast. It's not. It's just a
single cast. I mean it's onecycle. It's a forward cast. And so
that's what we don't seeenough of, you know, over the years.
And I just think that wouldreally help people because that's
what we did when we floatedduring the school and it fished one
day on the talk it fishedpretty tough. We had a cold front
(05:54):
come in. One day was theslowest day was when the cold front
came in. It fished reallygood. The cloudy days last week on,
on several of the park streamsNanahala we fished Webster one day.
Those all fished during thecloudy days incredibly well with
just dried robber. But. Butyeah, when you're trying to reposition
(06:15):
something, you know, by doingit like what we're talking about
letting it go all the waydownstream now you got the water
helping you make the next movemovement. It's not like a false cast
at all. It's not a two andfrom to and from for five or ten
times like a lot of people doon the river. Man, if we, if we took
a video camera even here it'sspringtime, it's tourist season,
the rectangles are out inforce. But if we just maybe I wouldn't
(06:37):
do it because I'd get introuble. But if we just drove up
the river Marvin and filmed itand then posted it, you know how
many friends would make justby talking about look how much waving
is going on here. I don'treally understand why it still goes
on as much today as when I wasa 20 year old kid. It's just, I guess
that's what people think. You do?
(06:57):
Yeah, I mean it's easy. Itmakes it so much easier from an accuracy
perspective too because ifyou're having problems with accuracy,
I mean I don't generally havemy thumb on top but if you have that
straight line and you kind ofbring it forward and wherever you
point with your thumb is, youknow, if you've got enough force,
that's where that fly line isgoing to go.
Yeah. Wherever you point topoint it, it's going to, should move
(07:17):
it there as long as it's closeto 180 to begin with. And but yeah,
I mean that came up a bunchthis last week during the, during
the God school and, and justefficiency of, of of movement. Trying
to use the least amount ofmovement to make something happen.
And the more more you do thatthe more your flies in the water
being fished. Of course goodthings happen then fish are just
(07:40):
a byproduct of, of betterbehavior, you know. So that's why
efficiency is a hard thing toreally a tough topic because there's
not like a formula ofefficiency except looking at data.
The more time your fly'sfloating, the more fish, you know,
gonna fall. And it's like,it's hard to say here's a formula
like F equals MA forefficiency. Doesn't happen that way.
(08:03):
So all that can happen is justsay Marvin, like if you, if you were
you know, working with one ofyour kids or something and just tell
them to quit false casting somuch. That's the first big step.
Yeah. And I, but I would sayyou know, when you've got that line
downstream of you know, backto your point like you don't really
need false casts to get moreline out. Just slip some line right.
And the current's going to getyou, get you tight again and then
(08:25):
you can keep casting. Andthat's a way and that's a way not
to, you know, wave thingsaround unnecessarily. And then I
would say the other caveat is,you know, if you're nymphing with
an indicator, you know, you'regoing to want to basically draw kind
of a reverse, you know, Cloop. Right. I always tell you, can
kind of find the people that,you know, nymph a lot in our part
of the world because theygenerally have that kind of lob.
Right. And it's prettyaccurate when you've got enough weight.
(08:47):
But it's the exact samemotion. It's just you need to have
a little bit more of an openloop. So you kind of make a, you
know, backwards C on yourforward cast.
That's right. And then. Andwith the dry fly, you know, you hear
a lot of. A lot of folks saythey got a false cast a lot to dry
their fly, and that's not trueeither. So let's talk about the seat
pickup, the up, down pickup.If you add that in with the dry fly,
(09:08):
gain doesn't matter where thefly is. It's dry as soon as you move
it in one cycle. Totally dry,because it's moving through. When
you do an up, down or a circleC pickup, the flies moving through
as you go to make the cast,it's moving through at about 650
plus miles an hour. All thewater's flung out in that one motion.
You don't have to wave it toand from, to and from for 10 or 15
(09:31):
times to think it's drybecause it's dry in one. But most
people don't do a circlepickup or an up down, so. So there.
There is a better way. It'sjust. That's something to throw in
there with efficiency. If theydid that, it's dry on one. One repetition.
Yeah. And then I would say,too, you know, to kind of start the
day off with things in yourfavor, you know, just gink the fly
(09:51):
and then keep some sila, someof the silicone dust with you. Right.
Lots of different brand names.
Oh, yeah.
And that'll. That'll keep yougoing for a while. But yeah, the.
You know, the little circlepickup, you know, which is really
kind of like throwing a littlebit of a roll cast and then picking
your fly line up when itstraightens out.
That's right.
And you want to talk to folksabout what the up downcast is.
(10:11):
It's just like, go up slow andcome down fast, and then your rod
tips low, and then go aheadand make your cycle. Make Your pickup,
when you do that, it puts alittle V shape traveling down the
line towards the nail knot orhowever you tie the leader on. And
of course the fly has to comethrough that same shape and then
you're accelerating, you know,the other direction. And of course
(10:32):
the water's all thrown rightout of the fly. So we do it a lot
with Dry Dropper too. And Imean that's, that's basically what
we fished a lot last weekduring those cloudy days. Dry Dropper's
been phenomenal up here thelast week, and it really has. I'm
not. I mean, I think this isprobably the peak of it last week
when it was cloudy becausewe're looking at 80 plus degrees
(10:53):
coming up. And I mean, evenMay, everybody talks about May. May's
better if you're furthernorth. You know, our season is really
March and April is when it'sat its best and May come and it might
be some 90 degree days inmiddle of May and it's over. You
know what I mean? Water startsgetting warm, then you got to start
going early in the morningand. But you know, when we talk about
(11:14):
May, United States is a bigplace. And when you talk about that,
it's really further up north,Mace, like getting in the peak. I
mean, they're fishing hatchesin Pennsylvania that we fished six
weeks ago right now. So we're,we're way further ahead, being this
far south in southernAppalachia, you know. So our hatches
will start coming to a closehere in the next couple of weeks
(11:36):
then. Terrestrial game. Yeah.
And I'll leave one more kindof casting tip to avoid the, the
motorboat when you're dry flyfishing. And if you lift slowly on
the pickup and wait untilbasically your line leader connection
is off the water before yousnap back, you won't get the, the
motorboat.
That's right. Yeah, that's agood one too. It's just, yeah, just
(11:59):
having a, just thinking ofthat, those little things, thinking
about, you know, efficiency. Ithink it's good for the, for the
listeners to think about everyaction that they do on the water,
like try to make it have somepurpose and intent behind it rather
than falling back into a trapof habits that's, you know, like
put it down and yank it all. Imean, false cast it a bunch of times.
(12:21):
All those things are workingso, so much against folks that it's
just good to bring that upsince it's still a really good time
of year to be out the next,you know, the next couple months.
Yeah. And I would also say,you know, last thing we'll say before
we kind of move on to calendarand all that kind of good stuff is
you don't have to do this allin one trip. You know, pick one part
of it, incorporate it untilyou're comfortable with it, then
(12:43):
add something else.
That's right. And build on,build on it. It's time to go out.
That's, that's good advice.
Yeah. So you finished twoschools, you're done speaking. So
you don't have another schooluntil September. So it's really the
God game and the fall, right?
Yeah, we've, we've got reallyjust the, the schools like September,
(13:06):
there's casting schools. We'redoing the school down in Mountain
Home with Davey, Davey Waltonin Mountain Home, Arkansas. Wet fly
school. What else we got? Wegot a couple of schools here. October,
November, five day schools.And that's pretty much it until show
season starts again. So I'mkind of trying to think about where
to go have a little holiday.Because I need a holiday. Marvin.
(13:30):
I've been kind of burning thecandle here the last five months.
I'm going to take off and gosomewhere sometime in the next month.
I'm not sure where, where yet.I'm kind of debating that loading
the truck up and gettingeverything working.
Yeah, well. And folks, if youhave a suggestion for Mac, DM them
on social media. And Mac,before I let you go, you want to
let folks know where they canfind you to book a guide trip or
(13:54):
to get on the waiting list orsign up for one of the schools.
Yeah, the best, the best placeto either message me at Mac Brown
fly fish like Instagram orFacebook or MacBrownFlyfish.com URL
and that'll take you to thelink for the guide school. The five
day schools, they're bothcross linked and anything on one
page you can find back, backand forth from that other fly fishing
(14:17):
guide school website as well.That's probably the best way.
Well, there you go. Wellfolks, as I always say, you owe it
to yourself to get out thereand catch a few tight lines everybody.
Tight lines, Mac.
Tight lines. Marvin.
Hey folks, it's Marvin Cash,the host of the Articulate Fly. And
we're back with anotherCasting Angles with Mac Brown. Mac,
how are you?
I'm doing great. How youdoing, Marvin?
I'm, I'm glad to be home. I'vebeen traveling a lot and I think
you've been teaching a lot, right?
Yeah, it's been busy. It'sbeen busy since the last month. We've
been doing, doing a lot ofdifferent little schools, casting
(00:26):
schools and guide schools. Andwe, we're just now off this week
getting caught up on emailsand calls and all those other good
things.
Yeah, it's funny, I think Itold you before we started recording
that not this weekend, butnext weekend my oldest son graduates
from Chapel Hill. And when Icome home from that weekend, I will
have been home a grand totalof one out of the last six weekends.
(00:48):
Wow, that's a big event.That's a big life changing event
too. So congratulations.
Yeah, I appreciate it when youremember him when he was talking
junk to you when he was like 8years old at the Raleigh Fly Fishing
Show.
Yeah, when he was just alittle kid. Yeah, I do remember that.
It's hard to believe he's graduating.
He's 22. Dude, he'll be 23 in September.
(01:09):
Wow, they get big fast.
Yeah, they do. And you know,it's funny, right? We were talking
before we started recordingand we always kind of folks wrestle
with, you know, what do wewant to talk about? So we generally
spend, I don't know, a goodhalf hour catching up, brainstorming
and what we wanted to talkabout because, you know, really,
you know, we're kind of in thesweet spot of, you know, spring fly
(01:29):
fishing and kind of our neckof the woods is basically efficiency.
And that shows up in a lot ofdifferent ways. And you know, a really
simple way to think about itis, you know, if your fly's not in
the water, you're not going tobe catching fish. And so we kind
of work everything in ourprocess to, you know, keep the bugs
in the water as much aspossible. Right, Mac Brown?
That's right. That's right.And that's what we spent a lot of
(01:51):
time with, with the schoollast week. Just talking about efficiency
of movement, efficiency of, ofdrift and trying to maximize. How
long is it in the water? Howlong are you fishing it? How much
are you casting? You know, asmuch as we teach casting on the road,
everybody thinks we must liketo cast a lot. And I would say that's
so far from the truth, I thinkwhat you'll see is most people that
(02:12):
like casting cast the least byfar. And I think that's a good point
to get across about thisefficiency of. Of movement during
this podcast.
Yeah, I mean, I guess, youknow, we could probably start with
just breaking down water. And,you know, if you're fishing upstream,
you know, the general rule isfish close to far back to front,
right?
(02:33):
Yeah. And just learn to fish,you know, around all the, you know,
the clock faces around you.And the biggest thing we used to
see in wreck trips, which iswhat we don't want to see at this
age, is people will be lookingat something for whatever known reason,
and they. They put it in andit's not exactly where they wanted,
then they yank it. I used tocall that the yank syndrome. So that's
(02:55):
definitely not efficient. Youput it in and you make a big splash
and pull it back out and thenput it in, you missed your spot again
and you yanked it back out.So. So the Yank syndrome is. Definitely
needs to go. So let's addressthat first because that's actually
a really common problem whenyou work in, folks.
Yeah, I mean, it's aninteresting thing, right. Cause almost
nothing good happens fromdoing that. You're better off to
(03:17):
just kind of fish it outbecause you're probably going to
put down any fish that werethere ripping your flies out, right?
Oh, yeah. And then they throwit back in and get close to the same
spot they ripped it out. Nowthose fish are 20ft away anyway.
So when you're sitting therewatching it, you just shake your
head and kind of wonder, like,what are we doing here? So you got
to kind of get on that earlyif that's going on. But yeah, usually,
(03:40):
usually on the water, we tryto do things where. Where we get
it. You know, so much emphasison casting over the years that really.
About line controller, what dowe do once it's on the water? And
that takes a lot, really. Ithink line control is a lot tougher
to teach than casting, to behonest. But what we try to do is
optimize like what Swisher andRichards talked about in Selective
(04:04):
trout back in 72, about theclock faces. Learn to work 12, 3,
6, 9 o'clock, all the wayaround you, wherever you're standing.
And then to maximize thedrift, if you want to fish downstream,
of course, that means we'regoing to fish probably a lot more
line than what most peoplethink. And then when we go upstream,
let's say we're only casting30ft upstream, up and across. We're
(04:25):
going to use a reach man. Sowe don't want the line sitting on
top of the fish you're tryingto catch. And then let's say we can
let it go downstream 30ft. Sothat's a 60 foot drift you're never
going to see on guide tripslike wreck anglers getting 60 foot
drifts. Cause that's just notwhat they think of. But that's what
they should be thinking of. SoI think that's a good part of the
podcast karma here tonight isto try to talk about that efficiency.
(04:50):
Why can't they get 60ft?Because it's just not in their repertoire.
Yeah.
And I think some of thatthough, you know, if you think about
it, you know, the, the longeryou make your drift, I think it makes
you, it makes your castingmore efficient. Right. Because if
you've got a long driftdownstream of you, you know you're
going to be pretty close tobeing tight to start your forward
cast pretty much when youstart lifting those flies. Yeah.
(05:13):
And then it's all one motion.There's no false casting, there's
no anything. It's just, justthrow me. You can waterload it. If
you want to change angle andgo further across stream. You can
take the rod tip and swing itaround back of you, you know, so
it, so it's not straightdownstream. It's you know, 9ft or
10 foot, whatever length rodyou're holding. But you can have
(05:33):
it more lined up than to throwup in a cross. But that's just a
single motion. It's not afalse cast. It's not. It's just a
single cast. I mean it's onecycle. It's a forward cast. And so
that's what we don't seeenough of, you know, over the years.
And I just think that wouldreally help people because that's
what we did when we floatedduring the school and it fished one
day on the talk it fishedpretty tough. We had a cold front
(05:54):
come in. One day was theslowest day was when the cold front
came in. It fished reallygood. The cloudy days last week on,
on several of the park streamsNanahala we fished Webster one day.
Those all fished during thecloudy days incredibly well with
just dried robber. But. Butyeah, when you're trying to reposition
(06:15):
something, you know, by doingit like what we're talking about
letting it go all the waydownstream now you got the water
helping you make the next movemovement. It's not like a false cast
at all. It's not a two andfrom to and from for five or ten
times like a lot of people doon the river. Man, if we, if we took
a video camera even here it'sspringtime, it's tourist season,
the rectangles are out inforce. But if we just maybe I wouldn't
(06:37):
do it because I'd get introuble. But if we just drove up
the river Marvin and filmed itand then posted it, you know how
many friends would make justby talking about look how much waving
is going on here. I don'treally understand why it still goes
on as much today as when I wasa 20 year old kid. It's just, I guess
that's what people think. You do?
(06:57):
Yeah, I mean it's easy. Itmakes it so much easier from an accuracy
perspective too because ifyou're having problems with accuracy,
I mean I don't generally havemy thumb on top but if you have that
straight line and you kind ofbring it forward and wherever you
point with your thumb is, youknow, if you've got enough force,
that's where that fly line isgoing to go.
Yeah. Wherever you point topoint it, it's going to, should move
(07:17):
it there as long as it's closeto 180 to begin with. And but yeah,
I mean that came up a bunchthis last week during the, during
the God school and, and justefficiency of, of of movement. Trying
to use the least amount ofmovement to make something happen.
And the more more you do thatthe more your flies in the water
being fished. Of course goodthings happen then fish are just
(07:40):
a byproduct of, of betterbehavior, you know. So that's why
efficiency is a hard thing toreally a tough topic because there's
not like a formula ofefficiency except looking at data.
The more time your fly'sfloating, the more fish, you know,
gonna fall. And it's like,it's hard to say here's a formula
like F equals MA forefficiency. Doesn't happen that way.
(08:03):
So all that can happen is justsay Marvin, like if you, if you were
you know, working with one ofyour kids or something and just tell
them to quit false casting somuch. That's the first big step.
Yeah. And I, but I would sayyou know, when you've got that line
downstream of you know, backto your point like you don't really
need false casts to get moreline out. Just slip some line right.
And the current's going to getyou, get you tight again and then
(08:25):
you can keep casting. Andthat's a way and that's a way not
to, you know, wave thingsaround unnecessarily. And then I
would say the other caveat is,you know, if you're nymphing with
an indicator, you know, you'regoing to want to basically draw kind
of a reverse, you know, Cloop. Right. I always tell you, can
kind of find the people that,you know, nymph a lot in our part
of the world because theygenerally have that kind of lob.
Right. And it's prettyaccurate when you've got enough weight.
(08:47):
But it's the exact samemotion. It's just you need to have
a little bit more of an openloop. So you kind of make a, you
know, backwards C on yourforward cast.
That's right. And then. Andwith the dry fly, you know, you hear
a lot of. A lot of folks saythey got a false cast a lot to dry
their fly, and that's not trueeither. So let's talk about the seat
pickup, the up, down pickup.If you add that in with the dry fly,
(09:08):
gain doesn't matter where thefly is. It's dry as soon as you move
it in one cycle. Totally dry,because it's moving through. When
you do an up, down or a circleC pickup, the flies moving through
as you go to make the cast,it's moving through at about 650
plus miles an hour. All thewater's flung out in that one motion.
You don't have to wave it toand from, to and from for 10 or 15
(09:31):
times to think it's drybecause it's dry in one. But most
people don't do a circlepickup or an up down, so. So there.
There is a better way. It'sjust. That's something to throw in
there with efficiency. If theydid that, it's dry on one. One repetition.
Yeah. And then I would say,too, you know, to kind of start the
day off with things in yourfavor, you know, just gink the fly
(09:51):
and then keep some sila, someof the silicone dust with you. Right.
Lots of different brand names.
Oh, yeah.
And that'll. That'll keep yougoing for a while. But yeah, the.
You know, the little circlepickup, you know, which is really
kind of like throwing a littlebit of a roll cast and then picking
your fly line up when itstraightens out.
That's right.
And you want to talk to folksabout what the up downcast is.
(10:11):
It's just like, go up slow andcome down fast, and then your rod
tips low, and then go aheadand make your cycle. Make Your pickup,
when you do that, it puts alittle V shape traveling down the
line towards the nail knot orhowever you tie the leader on. And
of course the fly has to comethrough that same shape and then
you're accelerating, you know,the other direction. And of course
(10:32):
the water's all thrown rightout of the fly. So we do it a lot
with Dry Dropper too. And Imean that's, that's basically what
we fished a lot last weekduring those cloudy days. Dry Dropper's
been phenomenal up here thelast week, and it really has. I'm
not. I mean, I think this isprobably the peak of it last week
when it was cloudy becausewe're looking at 80 plus degrees
(10:53):
coming up. And I mean, evenMay, everybody talks about May. May's
better if you're furthernorth. You know, our season is really
March and April is when it'sat its best and May come and it might
be some 90 degree days inmiddle of May and it's over. You
know what I mean? Water startsgetting warm, then you got to start
going early in the morningand. But you know, when we talk about
(11:14):
May, United States is a bigplace. And when you talk about that,
it's really further up north,Mace, like getting in the peak. I
mean, they're fishing hatchesin Pennsylvania that we fished six
weeks ago right now. So we're,we're way further ahead, being this
far south in southernAppalachia, you know. So our hatches
will start coming to a closehere in the next couple of weeks
(11:36):
then. Terrestrial game. Yeah.
And I'll leave one more kindof casting tip to avoid the, the
motorboat when you're dry flyfishing. And if you lift slowly on
the pickup and wait untilbasically your line leader connection
is off the water before yousnap back, you won't get the, the
motorboat.
That's right. Yeah, that's agood one too. It's just, yeah, just
(11:59):
having a, just thinking ofthat, those little things, thinking
about, you know, efficiency. Ithink it's good for the, for the
listeners to think about everyaction that they do on the water,
like try to make it have somepurpose and intent behind it rather
than falling back into a trapof habits that's, you know, like
put it down and yank it all. Imean, false cast it a bunch of times.
(12:21):
All those things are workingso, so much against folks that it's
just good to bring that upsince it's still a really good time
of year to be out the next,you know, the next couple months.
Yeah. And I would also say,you know, last thing we'll say before
we kind of move on to calendarand all that kind of good stuff is
you don't have to do this allin one trip. You know, pick one part
of it, incorporate it untilyou're comfortable with it, then
(12:43):
add something else.
That's right. And build on,build on it. It's time to go out.
That's, that's good advice.
Yeah. So you finished twoschools, you're done speaking. So
you don't have another schooluntil September. So it's really the
God game and the fall, right?
Yeah, we've, we've got reallyjust the, the schools like September,
(13:06):
there's casting schools. We'redoing the school down in Mountain
Home with Davey, Davey Waltonin Mountain Home, Arkansas. Wet fly
school. What else we got? Wegot a couple of schools here. October,
November, five day schools.And that's pretty much it until show
season starts again. So I'mkind of trying to think about where
to go have a little holiday.Because I need a holiday. Marvin.
(13:30):
I've been kind of burning thecandle here the last five months.
I'm going to take off and gosomewhere sometime in the next month.
I'm not sure where, where yet.I'm kind of debating that loading
the truck up and gettingeverything working.
Yeah, well. And folks, if youhave a suggestion for Mac, DM them
on social media. And Mac,before I let you go, you want to
let folks know where they canfind you to book a guide trip or
(13:54):
to get on the waiting list orsign up for one of the schools.
Yeah, the best, the best placeto either message me at Mac Brown
fly fish like Instagram orFacebook or MacBrownFlyfish.com URL
and that'll take you to thelink for the guide school. The five
day schools, they're bothcross linked and anything on one
page you can find back, backand forth from that other fly fishing
(14:17):
guide school website as well.That's probably the best way.
Well, there you go. Wellfolks, as I always say, you owe it
to yourself to get out thereand catch a few tight lines everybody.
Tight lines, Mac.
Tight lines. Marvin.
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