129. BREAKING FREE: Overcoming Anxiety, Procrastination, and Perfectionism | Daniel Packard

In addition to grief, do you experience anxiety, fear, depression, procrastination, perfectionism, or any number of other conditions that hold you back from being able to live the life you want?

Have you spent more more money than you care to recall on doctor's visits, therapists, books, apps, healing modalities, to maybe feel a little better though still essentially in the same place?

Do you have HOPE within YOU that there is a way to get through what you are experiencing?

 

If you answered 'yes' to any of the above, then you need to take a listen to this episode! It's likely to change the entire way you think about yourself and what you have been experiencing.

 

Daniel Packard used the logic of his mechanical enginnering background to delve in and solve his own crippling feelings of anxiety, depression and PTS. The unique appraoch of his Nervous System Reset programme is guaranteed to give you the results you are after or you don't pay. Yes, that's right. You only pay for this system when you get results. That is how confident Daniel is that this system will be life-changing for you. It's based on evidence and measurable results that you get to see for yourself. I encourage you to bring your fear, anxiety and skepticism and take a listen to incredible episode. Oh... And I did I mention the results are permanent??

 

00:00 Introduction to the Episode

03:57 The Importance of Courage and Feeling

06:09 Daniel's Passion and Joy in Helping Others

09:57 The Engineering Approach to Emotional Struggles

23:23 The Root Cause of Anxiety and Fear

27:27 Understanding the Mechanical Approach

39:16 

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Some people do eventually getfree of what holds them back.
Whether it's anxiety,procrastination, perfectionism.
I've met people that say, you know what?
I used to be anxious.
And now I'm not anymore.
And I think, wonderful!
And I say, how long did that take?
They're like about 15 years.
And I'm like, that's great.
But that is horribly long.
And so the engineer and me just lookedat the improvement industrial complex

(00:23):
and I said it's full of well intentionedpeople doing the best I can but they
are regurgitating old stuff thatfrankly just doesn't get the job done
and doesn't get the job done quickly
And so I started my own researchcompany called Full Liberation
Technology with the idea, the passionto say, could we engineer something?

(00:44):
Could we reverse engineer a process suchthat if you work the steps in a certain
order, you get the result and the resultis the thing that you want to be free of
the anxiety, the perfectionism, caringwhen people think of you, whatever it
is, it's gone and it's not coming back.
That was our goal.
And I didn't know it at the time,but it was a revolutionary idea.

(01:16):
I suspect today's episode onthe beautiful side of grief is
going to have a wide appeal.
Loads of people who suffergrief are also susceptible to
experiencing anxiety, depression,and a host of other things as well.
And maybe that's you.
If it is, what would it mean to you ifyou had access to a system that has a 90

(01:40):
percent success rate and you only haveto pay when it is successful for you?
Does that sound like somethingyou'd be interested in?
Well, my guest, Daniel Packard,a UC Berkeley mechanical engineer
and anxiety solution pioneer has aresearch company that has engineered
the world's only permanent.

(02:01):
Yes, Permanent Anxiety SolutionProgram, where you only pay once
you have a clear, measurable result.
It's Daniel's own struggle withanxiety and depression, coupled with
PTSD, after staying in an abusiverelationship too long, that prompted
the development of this program.

(02:22):
What makes the system stand out is thatneither Daniel nor any members of his team
are therapists, counselors, or the like.
So what is it that makes the system sosuccessful for 3, 000 plus people later?
That's what we're here to explore.
So a very warm welcome to you, Daniel.

(02:43):
Thank you for having me, Helen.
What a excellent voice, radio voiceyou have and professional preparate.
What an intro.
I'm jealous.
I wish more people, I love whatI do because we're all here to
serve and I get to do that everyday, but I'm also grateful.
I get to do a lot of these podcastsand get a wonderful intro like that.
And it's just, you get to sit backand be bathed in appreciation and

(03:06):
be reminded how wonderful you are.
yeah, I wish the whole world.
when they woke up in the morning, you wereby their bedside, and could say coming to
the bed, coming to the world now is Nancy.
Nancy is excellent at making guacamoletoast and not only inhaling, but
exhaling, give it up for Nancy.
I wish everyone had an intro everymorning, but thank you for that intro.
And I'm glad to be here.
because what I want to share withyour audience is an innovative

(03:31):
way of looking at struggle.
An innovative way that gets peoplewhat I think we ultimately really
want, but really isn't available onthe market, which is how to be free
of something permanently and quickly,and in a way that's simple and fast.
And what we do is so effective for manyreasons, I'll explain it, but it's usually

(03:54):
for committed people who have courage.
And if they're on your podcast and ithas the word grief, it means they're
already courageous people that arealready admitting that they're grieving
and that they're feeling and that there'ssomething they're willing to face.
And so to your audience already,I know there's somebody out there.
It not only needs to hear this, but hasthe fortitude and courage to take what

(04:17):
I'm going to share, and really go with it.
Cause you do need the courage to feel,and if you're listening to a podcast with
the word grief in, you're already feeling.
So I want to tell your audience, Iknow you may be struggling, I know
you may be grieving, and I know theremay be times you think you're failing,
but if you can feel that grief andacknowledge it, that takes courage,
and you're doing a lot better thanmost of the world, so thank you.

(04:39):
I've
That's a lovely introduction intothis conversation, Daniel, because, to
acknowledge those who are listening andthe struggle they are going through.
And I love that word struggle.
That word struggle encompasses.
So much.
And I think that is a great way ofdescribing what people are up against
because it comes in many different guises,but I'm excited that you've got a system

(05:04):
that's going to help us address that.
But before we just hit down that path.
I wanted to, ask you what your mostfavorite thing to do is, Daniel,
because I know you've got quite a senseof humor and love to do fun things.
So share with us what yourmost favorite thing to do is.

(05:24):
I've got the fun thing and themeaningful thing, and I don't know
where I Iearned this, but I have theuncommon ability to dance really well...
.way better than I should.
Nobody ever trained me how, but whenthe James Brown or the Michael Jackson
comes on, I start dancing and it's,I don't know where it comes from.

(05:48):
And it is confusing to people.
They look and they think, what is the guythat looks like that dancing like that?
And it just comes out ofme and it's incredible.
I've seen footage of me dancing and Ithink, where is that even coming from?
So when, when the Michael Jackson or theJames Brown is playing, and I'm just in
the pocket, in my own little dance world,that that's my, that's my happy place.

(06:09):
My meaningful place is this system thatwe've been working on for eight years.
We, is my passion project to give peoplestruggling and in pain, real liberation
and it's engineered to work quickly.
And so it's so fun for me just to, thescientists in me that when we, when

(06:31):
people go through our program, we'retracking their data and their results,
but they're also reporting on how they
feel.
And so just this morning, I looked atthe results from one of our clients.
He's one week in, so he's beenstruggling with low confidence,
depression and anxiety.
His pretty much his whole life.
He's spent all the money, he's triedall the things, nothing's worked, he's

(06:53):
not fulfilling his potential, he's notthe happy father he wants to be, his
business is struck, just, you name it.
And he found out aboutthe work that we're doing.
He was skeptical, but open, and he likedthe fact that you only pay at the end when
it works, and one week into the program,not only is his anxiety down by about 40%,

(07:18):
but he put in his entry, he said, Ijust felt something I haven't felt
in years, which was actual joy.
And that's a weekend.
Wow
just,
Bye
it, of course, we're all here to help,but again, making the system work
fast, and then you see it work, It'sso satisfying because so much work

(07:42):
goes into those results that fast andto hear a person not say, Hey, I'm a
little, but to say, I'm feeling joyfor the first time in a long time.
And then knowing that joy willspread to his children and his
wife and his business, thatalso puts me in my happy place.
Oh, yes, I love that.
I love your passion because it'spassion that drives you to persevere

(08:05):
for any length of time to achievewhat it is you're wanting to achieve.
And those are wonderful results.
I know myself what it felt like thefirst time I felt a sense of calm
and ease and peace, and happinessafter Tahl died, I was on the beach
and I just went, wow, you're calm.

(08:26):
I don't think I've felt like this before.
And that was the most incredible feeling.
And so I get what you're talking about.
So Daniel, you went down thepath of trying to solve your
own anxiety, depression, PTSD.
How bad were you?
And what was that journey like foryou that then led into this passion?

(08:52):
the passion started before thepain, the, the passion, what we're
doing, what our company was builtfor was because growing up, my dad
was a physicist and an inventor.
And he instilled in me, he eventold me one time, he said, look,
anybody can have an idea or a conceptthat's easy, but results matter.

(09:16):
Trust the person that gets the results.
And also that's whatactually matters is results.
Theories are a nice starting point.
It's not bad.
But like results and this idea of beingan inventor and developing things that
get results, it's a passion and it's acertain mindset and you need to innovate.

(09:37):
And not everyone's an innovator.
Not everyone goes around saying,Oh, I'm going to get better results.
But I love that idea.
When I was a kid, I remember going tothe bike store and looking at the bikes.
And I looked at the bike andI, I bought it and I right away
said, I can make this better.
And I go into my dad's workshopand I made a better pair of brakes.
And I thought that was normal.
Turns out it's not.

(09:57):
so I went to engineering schoolto get really good at this.
Cause in engineering school, they reallyproperly train you how to look at a
seemingly complex problem, break it downinto its simple mechanical elements.
But then there's a very importantpart of engineering and inventing,
which is you build a prototype.
And then you test it.
You have to get results.
And very often in the beginning,you don't get great results.
So what do you do?
You refine and you calibrate and youreiterate until you get something that not

(10:20):
only gets results, but consistent results.
That's what engineers are good at.
And the reason this came in handyis because, after leaving an abusive
relationship, I not only had anxietyand PTSD and depression, but also my
procrastination, my fear of rejection, myperfectionism, just everything got worse.

(10:46):
And like your audience, whether it'sgrief, whether it's anxiety, whether
it's perfectionism, procrastination,whether it's caring what people
think of you, they go looking forhelp with these struggles and they
go to psychologists and therapistsand teachers and gurus and videos.
So I did all that and I spenta hundred grand and ten years

(11:11):
and I got some tips and some toolsand some insights To manage it, but
I wasn't free of It was still there
all there Was pretty much managementinsights and tips and tools, but ten years
later and a hundred thousand dollars laterI wasn't free of it and I woke up and
I said that's a real problem But I sawpeople weren't seeing it as a problem.

(11:34):
I didn't see it as a problem I spentfive thousand dollars on one retreat.
I felt better for a week Then I wentback to my normal feeling And I didn't
go wait a minute That's a problem thatthis is on the market if you take your
car to a mechanic spend five thousanddollars a week later your car is broken
you think oh, that's an issue, butI call it the improvement industrial
complex We're just conditioned to justkeep dumping money Into management, and

(11:59):
we don't stop and go, wait a minute.
I want to be free of this.
And I'm going to go find peoplethat can get me free of this.
Now some people do eventuallyget free of what holds them back.
Whether it's anxiety,procrastination, perfectionism.
I've met people that say, you know what?
I used to be anxious.
And now I'm not anymore.
And I think, wonderful!
And I say, how long did that take?

(12:20):
They're like about 15 years.
And I'm like, that's great.
But that is horribly long.
And so the engineer and me just lookedat the improvement industrial complex
and I said it's full of well intentionedpeople doing the best I can but they
are regurgitating old stuff thatfrankly just doesn't get the job done
and doesn't get the job done quickly

(12:42):
And so I started my own researchcompany called Full Liberation
Technology with the idea, the passionto say, could we engineer something?
Could we reverse engineer a process suchthat if you work the steps in a certain
order, you get the result and the resultis the thing that you want to be free of
the anxiety, the perfectionism, caringwhen people think of you, whatever it

(13:03):
is, it's gone and it's not coming back.
That was our goal.
And I didn't know it at the time,but it was a revolutionary idea.
I just went and did it.
Spent eight years doing it, and Ispoke to a client last week, and I
said yeah, I spent two years in SouthAfrica working with addicts, testing
the model and improving it, and workingwith the government to bring our

(13:24):
program into the national response.
And he said, you spent two years inSouth Africa working on this program?
I said yeah, I spent, also spent ayear working with monks in India.
And he said, yeah,that, that's incredible.
And I said, I guess it is, it is.
He said, yeah.
And yeah, that, that passion came frommy own pain and seeing I wasn't free

(13:45):
of this and seeing that the world isn'tfree of these struggles, not quickly,
not effectively, not cheaply, and justthe desire, what my dad told me, get,
make something that gets real results.
When you're in pain, books are nice.
Ideas are nice.
Insights are nice.
When you're in pain, youwant to be free of this.
You want real results.

(14:06):
And that's what our passion is.
100%, to be free of it, because that'swhere life really starts happening.
And I believe that we're conditionedto just put up with stuff, to accept
pain, to accept that this is what we areand this is what we've got, and not to
actually seek those or seek that freedomfrom those issues, or even know that

(14:31):
there is a way to have freedom from that.
How do you, as an engineer, dealingwith emotions, start doing that.
Start developing a program.
Like, where is thestarting point for that?
I know you said you reverse engineeredit, just share with us a little bit
about that process because I'm fascinatedby that because if it was that easy

(14:57):
there would be a lot of people out theredoing it and providing the solutions
and fixes like you are, but there's not.
So what you're doing is pretty special.
Thank you.
It is.
And I think what I did and whatwe did, it's an engineering
approach that engineers andscientists do on physical things.

(15:19):
What we did is not that incredible.
It is incredible how it was a lot of hardwork and is impressive, but it sounds
more impressive just because engineersare always focused on physical things.
Look at what engineersand physicists accomplish.
It's incredible.
There's a helicopter on Mars.
I mean, come on, that's impressive.
I was in a museum, anaval museum in Estonia.

(15:41):
And there was a WorldWar II class submarine.
And you can go inside it.
And you go inside it.
It's incredible.
The, what they pack into this submarine,it was, it is absolutely fascinating.
And I looked at this and I said,This is what happens when engineers
apply themselves to this problem.

(16:01):
Just, no engineer ever thoughtto go internal, and that's
because most engineers andphysicists are in their mind.
My dad was a physicist.
He's a mind guy.
Spoiler alert, he was not a heart guy.
And so, the people that are goodat problem solving are focused on
physical problems, and they're gettingincredible results on the, Outside,

(16:22):
but the people who feel and wherethe issue is with feelings, the heart
people are well intentioned, but they'renot engineers and problem solvers.
So the reason we figured it outis because I was an engineer and
intuitively, I thought, you knowwhat, there's enough engineers working
on, emissions and battery spans.

(16:42):
Why don't I apply my engineeringtraining to the internal world?
And I think looking back, thatwas kind of revolutionary.
But that once we did that, This, wejust applied engineering principles.
So what are engineering principles?
So first of all, you just look at results.
So we just looked at everything.

(17:03):
We said, okay, let's look at what'savailable out there and see what's
working and what's not working.
That's just common sense.
And we looked at almost everythingavailable for anxiety, low self
esteem, perfectionism, procrastination.
We looked at everything and we looked atit and we looked at their success rate.
Were they solving anything?
Did they have any data ofa fast permanent solution?
Nobody had it.

(17:23):
It did not exist.
There was symptom management, insights,tips, and tools to make things better.
Nobody was solving anything.
Nobody had, was measuring anything.
And people were chargingand not getting results.
And we were like, that whole industry,the improvement industrial complex,
it's contaminated with the

(17:49):
problem.
a therapist that in therapy school, theywere told that a third of the people
they'll help will actually get better.
One third will stay the same, andone third will actually get worse.
Now, that's not the problem.
If that's the results you get, fine.

(18:10):
The problem is that nobodyhad a problem with that.
Those students just satthere and stayed in school.
If I was in engineering school, and myengineering professor said, Hey, we're
gonna teach you how to design a bridge.
One third will work.
One third will be so expensivethey'll never be built.
And one third willcollapse killing thousands.
I would leave the school!
That's not a good track record!

(18:32):
But to them, that just regurgitatingthe stuff that doesn't work.
The father of modern psychology, Freudwas a chain smoking cocaine addict.
Like this industry doesn't havea problem with these results.
And that's, I'm waking your audience upto say, you're trusting people that are

(18:52):
not passionate about solving the problem.
They are regurgitators, theylearn things that are valuable
and they pass them on to you.
And there's value in thatand they collect some money.
But the reason you haven't solvedit is not because you're broken.
Or trapped, or there'sanything wrong with you.
It's because the people you wentto were ill equipped to solve

(19:13):
what you're struggling with.
Once you focus on a solution from anengineering perspective, you get it.
So here's what we did.
We saw that everything else on themarket was not getting results.
So let's just start fromscratch because we don't know.
And then we started to approach this.
From a very key perspective.
And that is mechanically

(19:37):
the way that your audience is tryingto improve two primary approaches,
spiritual and psychological.
Now, spiritual andpsychological has value.
It gives you insights, it givesyou perspectives, maybe some tools
that can help you understand andlessen the symptoms, and maybe give

(19:58):
you some tools to lessen the pain.
And there's value inthat, there absolutely is.
But it's usually very perceptual.
It's conceptual, these are concepts.
And that's fine.
But concepts don't leadyou to a fast cure.
Solution if you want a fast Consistentsolution you don't want spiritual or
psychological you want mechanical . Forinstance, let's say you're at a restaurant

(20:23):
and you're choking And two people walkup to you and one person walks up and
says wow, I see you're struggling Itseems like you're in a lot of pain, you
know I think you're really focusing onyour lack of air, instead of being really
focused on the abundance of air that'sout there And that's creating a scarcity

(20:43):
mindset which is making it worse andreally I feel that your ego is really
attached and cares about breathing andliving, and if you could just let go.
If you could just let go,
or somebody walks up and goes,look, this is really basic.
You have a bit of food mechanicallylodged in your windpipe.

(21:04):
That's causing the problem.
It's not a theory.
It's mechanical.
I'm going to applypressure to your stomach.
It's going to put pressure behind theblockage, which will hopefully pop it out.
And then mechanically air willget into your air, into your
windpipe, and you'll live.
In that situation, do you wantan approach that's spiritual,
psychological, or mechanical?
The answer is easy, Iwant to go mechanical.

(21:26):
That's going to give you the solution.
Yeah.
But it's going to giveyou a solution reliably,
quickly, and simply.
Mechanics is, this is connected to this.
This is that.
Not, it's a theory ora way of looking at it.
This is what's actually going on.
This is how to get out ofit quickly and reliably.
But would it be fair to say that mostof what's out there to help with our

(21:50):
pain and struggle is not mechanical.
It's spiritual and psychological.
So that's my next question.
The example you gave was perfectbecause, that was physical.
We can all imagine that and say,okay, that piece of food is stuck.
Now it's dislodged.
Now we're fine again.
But how does it work with feelings?
How does it work when we've lodged allof this, all of these feelings inside of

(22:15):
us that cause our brain to go 24 seven,never give us a break and just put us into
that head space of we're not good enough.
We're unworthy.
And from that we start getting anxious.
We start getting depressed.
Why are we here?
All of that.
So how is it that we approach that?

(22:36):
Well, again, as an engineer, you just.
We were able to see what workedbecause we weren't experts.
We didn't have lettersat the end of our name.
We weren't attached to any old paradigm.
We could just look at this withfresh eyes and just say, what the
heck is actually going on here?
And that's very valuable because whenyou're from pre existing constructs, your

(22:56):
ego tends to keep wanting to teach thatbecause you want to see that it works.
So we first of all knew,
we looked at what was being taught.
We said, this is what's being taught.
What's being taught is whetherit's anxiety, procrastination,

(23:17):
perfectionism, sabotage, insecurity,and even aspects of grief.
Often we're told theproblem is in the mind,
you know, negative thinking, scarcitymindset, your ego, quieting the mind.
It's called mental health.
It's got the word mental right in there.

(23:42):
So everybody on some level believesthe experts and thinks, oh,
this is a problem with the mind.
Now the mind does start to go alittle haywire and say scary negative
things, and then you feel crappy.
So it looks like themind is the root cause.
Just one problem.
If it was the root

(24:02):
cause, then it would be Whyhasn't anybody solved this?
If you're in the right place, youshould get way better results.
So we stopped and we said thiswhole mind theory sounds good,
but it's not getting results.
Maybe the mind isn't the root causeAnd once we challenged that paradigm
The answer of what's actuallycausing this revealed itself very

(24:23):
quickly and it's dead simple.
It's so simple You alreadyknow it intuitively when
people Say they're anxious.
Do people say I thinkanxious or I feel anxious?
Feel, and how about a
Yeah.
And where do we feel it?
Throat.

(24:43):
Yeah, and our body.
Throat, chest, heart, stomach.
Okay, so the experts, who aren'tsolving anything, tell you that these
things are a problem of the mind.
They haven't gottenresults in a hundred years.
Anxiety's on the rise.
And listen to those words.
Throat, chest, heart, stomach.
Does that sound like themind to you or the body?

(25:03):
body, yeah, definitely.
Yeah.
Definitely.
And it's definitely becausethat's what the root cause is.
Now.
The mind is part of it, but themind is a symptom of the body.
Now, if you don't knowthat, you just feel fear.
You think fear.
You were told, it starts in the mindand you don't know which is which

(25:24):
'cause it's happening at the same time.
But if you stop and do a slow motioncamera, first of all, the mind
approach isn't solving anything.
So that should let you know.
Maybe it's not the mind.
Maybe this is a symptom.
Maybe that's why it's not going away'cause I'm trying to manage the symptom.
But think about it,
see we are wired mechanically to
where the body tells you what thebody needs to stay alive, whether it's

(25:45):
fear, hunger, thirst, then your mindis a tool to listen to what the body
needs and get the body what it needs.
You feel hunger in the bodyfirst, then your mind senses the
hunger, and then your mind figuresout where and how to get food.
It's a reflex, it's mechanics.
We are wired to feel fear in the bodyfirst, and then Go, oh, there's a threat.

(26:06):
And then our mind goes, there's a threat.
Let's solve this.
Have you ever noticed that when your bodyis calmer, usually your mind is a bit
quieter and notices more good things?
Absolutely.
Yeah, and have you noticed when yourbody is feeling more fear and worry,
then your mind starts to spin more?

(26:28):
Yes, but it's a questionof what comes first.
And what comes first, it's thebody first and the mind is second.
Now when I explain it, people go,oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
It does make sense.
And it's true.
The problem is the experts aretelling you the problems in the mind.
And that's the symptom.
So everyone's running aroundtrying to quiet the mind.

(26:49):
Okay.
As long as your body feels fear,your mind thinks there's a problem
and starts to go into problemsolving mode and starts spinning and
beating you up and doing all that.
But it's a symptom.
So the reason that your audiencehas been trying to solve things
and not, is not because they'rebroken or trapped or doomed.

(27:11):
It's because the experts have anincomplete understanding of the problem
and literally sent you to the wrong place.
It's not your fault.
They sent you 180 degrees tothe wrong place, so of course
you haven't solved this.
So can you see that if it starts inthe body, but we've all been sent to

(27:34):
the mind, can you see that if you go toactual, the right location, you've got
a much better shot to be free of this?
Absolutely.
I'm 100 percent behind you, Daniel, sotell us how you do it, how you do it with
this amazing program you've developed.
What is it?
The Nervous System Reset.

(27:58):
Well see, the fact, with griefit's interesting, because with
grief Each struggle has differentapproaches and different accuracies.
When somebody has anxiety, there'sa lot of shame and guilt around it.
Why am I so afraid?
Why is my mind doing this?

(28:22):
And part of the reason is becausewe're taught and trained, they
call it an anxiety disorder.
It's a really heavy word to throw around.
Especially if you don't, you know,if, but also it's not helpful, it
doesn't explain what's going on.
But grief, usually when you'regrieving, people are like, I understand.
It still may be painful, but there'sa little bit more compassion around

(28:48):
grieving and understanding aroundgrieving than there is around anxiety.
Does that feel
Yeah, it feels true.
But what I've found with grief,and certainly in my own situations,
is that,, it opens Pandora's box.
It's like when you're feeling soraw and vulnerable, it's like all

(29:10):
the other issues that have just beensitting,, in the background waiting
to pounce suddenly rear up as well.
So if you've got anger issues, thenyou may, respond grief with anger,
people not saying the right thing or,you know, why the event has happened
or so many different scenarios.

(29:32):
So that's how I see it.
But I'm glad that you found itwas in the body because once you
understand People, when you aregrieving, usually people won't tell
you that's a problem of the mind.
Unless, unless it goes on for aprolonged period of time, it's only

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then that they say, okay, well know?
actually in grief though.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you look, you're heartbroken.
So you feel it physically, and it's that.
But it's our mind that allows us tostay trapped in that grief, I believe.
Would that be a fair comment?

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It's a fair comment because that'show it feels, but it's just not true.
And it's very hard to know the difference.
Because again, you're feeling grief,you're hearing the grief thoughts, and
you're taught all the time, oh, the mindis the problem, the mind is the problem.
Then the mind says stuff, you go,oh, it looks like the problem.
And again, if that was theroot cause, but it's not.

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And we know that I'll explain to you why.
Again, the mind always follows the body.
We looked at all these symptomsand we said, maybe these
aren't individual problems.
Maybe these are all justsymptoms of one root cause.
And we saw that they were.
They're all just symptomsof one root cause.

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And the root cause of most thingsthat hold people back, not grief,
that's different, is that underneath,in our bodies, we feel unsafe.
True,
Can you see that if you feel unsafein the body, it'll create fear.

(31:22):
Oh, yes,
So you'll hear peoplesay, Oh, I have anxiety.
I have anxiety.
What if you just feel really unsafeand it creates a lot of fear and
you label that fear, anxiety.
But what if you don't have anxiety?

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What if your body feels unsafe?
and that often comes from when you'revery young as well, like that can just
start in those early years of life whereyou aren't able to verbalize it, but what
you're doing is picking up on those cues.
And if you feel unsafe,then that embeds itself.
And so then it plays out, butyou're not actually recognizing

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where it stemmed from.
Right, it's, what I'm pointing isn'trevolutionary, it's just we're not
taught what's actually going on.
I had a client last weekthat came in, he said, I was
diagnosed with anxiety disorder.
So he thinks he's got this thing wherehe's all broken and he's got a disorder.
So A, it's inaccurate.

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If you pay someone to tell you'vegot a disorder, that's not helpful.
That's like taking your car to a mechanic.
They're like, Oh, Your car's broken.
That's not helpful to just label it.
So, I said, you don't have a disorder.
I showed him that you don't feelsafe, and a symptom of that is you're,
you feel quote unquote anxious.

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And he said, yeah, thatfeels more accurate.
And our program is engineeredin six weeks, that step by step
it leaves you feeling safe.
And when you feel safe, thefear and anxiety go away.
Doesn't that just make sense?
yes.
Yeah.
But he was told, he wasn't toldwhat makes sense and what works.

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He was told he had an anxiety disorder.
He was told he had anxious thoughts.
He was told he had scarcity mindset.
So what I'm trying to tell your audienceis it's common sense when you hear it.
But be aware that's not what's being sold.
What's being sold is stuff that justdoesn't even line up with common sense.
But also look at perfectionism.

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Two weeks ago client comesto me I'm a perfectionist.
I've always been a perfectionist.
My mom was a perfectionist.
I'm a perfectionist She's labeled it thatshe has perfectionism And I said, okay,
how long have you been working on it?
She said well about eight yearsand I said and she said it's a bit
better and I went Okay, and I saidwhat if you're not a perfectionist?

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What if you don't feel safe fromwithin And you have a fear that
if you make a mistake or you'renot perfect There's fear there.
Does it feel fearfulif you make a mistake?
She's oh god, yeah.
And I said, So if you feel afraid tomake a mistake, wouldn't it be a natural
symptom and coping mechanism to try tomake things perfect to avoid the fear?
She said, you're right.

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I said, yeah, you're not a perfectionist.
You feel unsafe.
She's Oh my God, you're right.
Nobody ever said that.
I was like, I know, cause they make moneytelling you, you've got a problem and
then selling you basically air freshener,
perfectionism, procrastination.
To all you procrastinators, you can, it'sa behavior, you're not doing something.

(34:33):
Okay, but why?
What if it's because you're afraid ifyou finish the thing and it doesn't
go well, there's a fear there.
So to avoid the fear, you don'tstart or finish the thing.
So are you a procrastinator?
Or do you feel fear and you'reunderstandably procrastinating to do
what humans do, which is avoid the fear?
Which is it?

(34:55):
yeah, so common sense.
It's so basic.
I love this.
This is really grassroots level stuffyou're talking about that we don't hear.
We don't
hear.
don't hear
it.
And people say, how do youget a 90 percent success rate?
How can you run a business chargingonly at the end when you get results?

(35:15):
And I'm like Because we do what worksand everything else hasn't worked.
What we do, every, what we, peoplesay it's too good to be true.
I'm like, what we doisn't too good to be true.
It's what you've tried has beenpoorly designed for you to fail.
And you don't know it becausewe blindly trust these experts.
And I'm not, I'm trying to wake youraudience up and say, look at the results
that you're getting from these expertsand ask yourself, are they solving it?

(35:40):
And if not, I'm just telling you,this stuff is solvable if you
approach it in a more simple way.
So first of all, almost everythingis a symptom of fear and fear is a
mechanical symptom of not feeling safe.
Now, your audience already knowsfear is a problem in their life.
You don't need me to tell you that.
But if you look at the industry,what do we get told to do with fear?

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Face the fear.
Overcome the fear.
Change your mindset fromfear to believe in yourself.
It's all like, okay, overcome.
So I did all that.
I tried to overcome the fear.
I learned to face the fear, to pushthrough the fear, to quiet the fear.
Not bad.
It got in a couple of situations.

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I was able to overcomethe fear and do something.
Yay.
And that was great for about five minutes.
Why?
Because if you overcome thefear, the fear is still there.
Yeah, you haven't got tothe core of it, have you?
No.
So I had this client who came tome, he said, Oh my God, I used to
have this fear of public speaking.

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I went to this coach.
He showed me how to use mindsetand how to push through the fear.
And I was like, great.
And he said, I'm ableto give the talk now.
I went, okay, great.
How do you feel on stage?
He's like, I'm still scared.
I said, okay, are you authentic?
He said, no, I'm terrified.
I said, okay, great.
Are you spontaneous?

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What happens if the talk doesn't go well?
He said, I'm terrified.
So all these tools and trickstry to go over the fear, around
the fear, pursue the fear again.
I get it.
That's what's sold.
But the engineering me was like, whydon't we just figure out where the hell
the fear is coming from and solve it?
I don't have even more fear.
It's gone.
I don't know how it's gone.

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Isn't that what your audience wants?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
So, to your audience out there,you do not have a problem.
You have a symptom of fear, which is asymptom of not feeling safe in the body.
So now the question is, how do youget the fear and be free of it?

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That's what people want to know.
And nobody knows.
Yeah, I know.
But it saddened me that everybodyknows fear is the issue...
and after a hundred years of psychology,five thousand years of spirituality,
like nobody, we figured it out.
But we figured it out because.
We went at it.

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So
here's where the fear is comingfrom that makes this solvable.
And remember what I'm aboutto tell you gets results.
Anybody can have a theory.
They can say, oh, the fearis from your childhood.
The fear is from this.
The fear is from the economy.
The fear is from your parents.
Anybody can have a theory.
But remember what my dad said,trust the person that gets results.

(38:35):
I've been free of anxietyand fear 10 years in a row.
I don't do affirmations.
I don't shift my mindset.
It's I'm like default, no fear.
I don't care what people think of me.
I don't know how to procrastinate.
I don't have anxiety.
It's gone.
And, we're able to get peoplethis with a 90 percent success
rate and we back up our results.
So, my opinion shouldmatter cause results matter.

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This is an understanding ofwhere the fear is coming from.
That makes this solvable.
But to do it, I'm goingto do a little role play.
So that you can feel this for yourself.
Okay?
Okay.
we're going to do a little role play.
And I'm going to talk to you, Helen.
As I'm talking to you, Helen,I'm also talking to your audience

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members so they can play along, okay?
So in this role play,we're going to be friends.
And let's say for a while I'ma really good friend to you.
I care for you, I put your, Imake you a priority, I listen
to you, I understand you.
When you're struggling, it matters tome, I know what you need and I get you
what you need, and I put you first.

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And when you're really in a lot oftrouble, I make sure I'm there for you.
If I treat you that way consistently,will you feel safe or unsafe around me?
And that answer's automatic.
Because it's mechanical.
Safe.
Treat me nice, safe.
Boom.
Mechanics.

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And that's because when Itreat you well, you trust me.
And when you trust me, you feel
safe.
Mm hmm.
So there's a mechanical linkbetween care, trust, and safety.
Yep.
Okay, that's the beauty of mechanics.
This is connected to this.
This equals this.
Okay, so, if what I just didmakes you feel safe, I now can

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explain what makes you feel unsafe.
What if i'm now imagine i'mnot a good friend to you?
Let's say for a while.
I mean to you.
I'm unkind to you when you need me.
I'm not there for you.
I criticize you.
I don't appreciate you.
I know what you need and it doesn'tmatter to me I put everybody else ahead
of you and you get table scraps andwhen you're upset I tell you're a bother

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and to go away if I treat you that wayfor a while Do you feel safe or unsafe?
Definitely unsafe.
And the reason the word is definitelyis because it's mechanical You
What I'm showing you is there's a directmechanical link between care and safety.

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Make sense?
makes sense.
Perfect sense to me.
Does it seem mechanical?
When you explain itlike that, yes, it does.
Yeah.
Okay.
So, in this role play, we'rein a friend relationship.
But now, is it fair to say you'rein a relationship with yourself?

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Yes.
Yeah.
And is it fair to say that you'resometimes not always a loving,
caring friend to yourself?
Yep.
Yep.
Yeah.
You know it.
Everybody knows it.
People hear it.
Oh, yeah, I'm really hard on myself.
I beat myself all the time.
I'm that people know that we know that

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But here's what nobody knows, but we sawin our research, your audience knows that
they're not always good to themselves Youraudience knows that there's fear what your
audience doesn't know and nobody knowsbut we saw Is there's a direct mechanical
link between you not caring for yourselfand you feeling unsafe within yourself.

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The fear is coming from younot caring for yoUrself.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
It makes perfect sense.
If I said, hey, you're, I feel scaredaround another person, people get, Oh,
I bet that person's not nice to you.
People understand the mechanicallink between care and safety
between friend relationships.

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We've even had people thathave treated us poorly.
We feel unsafe around them.
Then we have people that treat us reallywell and we feel safe around them.
So we know with human relationships,we totally get there's a mechanical
link between care and safety.
But then when it comes to ourselves,we're like where's the fear coming from?
Why am I so anxious?
Is it my childhood?
No, it's the same thing.

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Our data showed there'sa direct mechanical link.
There's 30 ways that we needto take care of ourselves.
Are you feeling lost, anxious,unsure of how to navigate the
loss of your beautiful loved one.
Don't know where to head next.
Yeah, I get that.
Then you may be interested in A Letterof Hope and Aroha to help you find

(43:19):
out who you are right here and now.
And how you can navigate that withoutbeing on that emotional roller
coaster feeling out of control.
That's a feeling I really dislikedafter Tahl and then Adrian died.
So I've developed an eight weeksupport program where each week you
get an email of what worked for me.

(43:40):
As well as other tried andtrue tools to help with grief.
It's a beautiful calming, meanhealing resource that I think
you're really going to like.
And that you can use in youreveryday life to find out what
works for you and what doesn't.
And the great thing is you findyourself feeling stronger and more in
control, so you can work out what youwant life to look like going forward.

(44:05):
So with this sounds like somethingyou would like to check out, head
over to my website, or check outthe link in the episode notes, you're
looking for A Letter of Hope & Aroha.
I was just going to ask you that,so how, what are the signs that
we're not taking care of ourselves?
The fear, that's the sign.

(44:28):
Yes, but then there must be otherbehaviors that we're doing as a result
of that fear , that you've seen.
Well, it's true that itmanifests in different ways.
However, I'm trying to give you andyour audience a simple understanding
of where this is coming from.
Because if you understand whereit's coming from, you'll understand
why it can be solved quickly.

(44:49):
What I'm trying to say is what's groundzero, that's creating all the problems, is
first this unsafe feeling from within us.
But people ask, oh, I feelunsafe from childhood.
Oh, I feel unsafebecause of this happened.
I feel unsafe because of the economy.
And I'm saying, no, that'll make it worse.
But what's causing the most fear is that10 to 30 times a day, totally unknowing

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to yourself, you are being unlovingto yourself, not caring to yourself.
That lack of care is accumulating toleave you feeling unsafe within yourself.
That's what's creating most of the fear.
Yep.
That makes perfect sense.
And the reason it's revolutionary isbecause no one's teaching us that.

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Why are you afraid?
Well, you, you have anxietydisorder, you're an anxious
person, it's the economy, it'syour past, it's your childhood.
What if, it's, that stuff makesit worse, but what if it's
what you do to you every day,
And people aren't seeing that?
People know when it comes to weightgain, If you gain weight, nobody

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goes, oh, that's the economy.
Oh, that's your childhood.
Oh, that's, no, people go, no, everyday, You don't watch your calories, and
that accumulates to create weight gain.
We get it's the little daily thingsthat accumulate to create weight gain.
What nobody is seeing, is it's the littlethings you do every day that accumulate
to create this unsafety and fear.

(46:27):
Now, people know, I'llshow you another example.
People know that they'recritical of themselves.
They know that one.
But here's another one of the 30.
Do you know anybody, or haveyou ever deflected a compliment?
Yeah,
now, you know you do it.
A lot of people do it.
What you didn't know is that'sbuilding fear in your system.

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I'll show you.
Again, let's go back to the role play.
Let's say we're friends.
Okay.
And let's say you do something.
And let's say somebody elsegoes to appreciate you and
say, Oh my God, great job.
And then let's say Ijump in and I say, no.
No appreciation for them.
No.
Do not see them.
Do not appreciate them.
Do not do it.
They get criticism when they mess up.

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Get out of here with that love.
Would you feel safe or unsafe around me?
Probably unsafe.
I wouldn't want youanywhere near me, actually.
Of course not.
but that's what we're doingto ourselves, isn't it?
Exactly.
Did you know that thedeflecting the compliment was
leaving you feeling fearful?

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Did you know that?
Hmm.
No, I didn't associate it with fear.
I knew it wasn't healthy, but I didn'tactually take it right back to fear.
Exactly.
That's the breakthrough.
Is the research showed we lookedat people with feeling unsafe.
Whether it was anxiety,procrastination, we measured

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people's fear and safety levels.
And then we measured people's,basically, care levels.
And the average person, we looked atwhat they needed to do versus what
they did each day, and the averageperson was about 5 out of 10 every day.
But here's why.
Because you're not taught the 29 things.

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You were never taught it.
You were taught to brush and floss.
You were taught to get enough sleep.
You were taught to drink enough water.
Nobody was ever taught, what doyou do daily to take care of your
feelings and emotional nervous system?
We weren't taught it, and we certainlyweren't taught, if you neglect it,
it's gonna lead to feeling afraid.
Now again, this is not theory, okay?

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When we saw what those thingswere, and we started to develop
tools to help people move in littleways, from unhealth to health,
and take care of their nervous system,Their unsafety went away and they felt
safe our program over six weeks, you justmake little adjustments to your behavior.

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We show you we lay out all the steps.
It's very simple, And at the end, yougo from not taking care of yourself to
taking care of yourself, and the endresult is that you feel safe from within.
If you just felt safe from within,
why would your life really be better?

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If you felt safe from within, oh mygosh, how could it not be better?
It would be better on every singlelevel because when you feel happy,
you are naturally putting out that.
And then that's what attracts youto be around like minded people
that enables you to be successful.
You're not spending your energywasting it on being fearful and

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all that's wrapped around that.
You're focused on what you want on adaily basis and where you want to head.
It's.
Beautifully said.
Most people can't even perceive ofwhat that's like because they've
spent Everybody, for decades,has felt unsafe from within.
So their whole life is based aroundfeeling unsafe and then having managing

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coping mechanisms to deal with the safety.
Now that's the best you can doif somebody hasn't figured out
how to feel safe, which we have.
But, I had a client come to me a monthago, and he had anxiety imperfectionism.
And I said, what if you don'thave anxiety imperfectionism,
what if you don't feel safe?
And he said, yeah, that makes sense.
I haven't felt safe since childhood.
I said, I know.
Welcome to the club.

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Welcome to the planet.
And he said, is that even possible?
I said, it's not only possible,it's like what we do in six weeks.
He said, oh my god, that's way better.
I said, why?
He said, because then Ican, I'm free of this.
Then I can really just get back tothe business of really being me.
And I said, exactly.
He said, you can do that?
I said, if we can't, you don't pay.
He's alright, I'm in.

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So, about four weeks into the program, weknew from his data he was feeling better.
But he reached out to me andhe says, Daniel, this is weird.
He said, I just woke up thismorning and I felt calm and safe.
And it's not temporary, likeI can feel it, it's deep.
I said, I know, it's incredible.
And I said, and your anxiety?
He's like, gone.

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I said, perfectionism?
He's like, eh, I don't care so much.
And he said, thank you.
And I said, why?
He said, cause this is what we all want.
This is real freedom.
He said today I was nicer, I washappier, I was more open hearted.
My wife has a happier husband,my kids have a happier father.
He said I noticed at work I hadmore focus and productivity.

(51:33):
He said I was better at sales becauseI don't care what people think of me.
And he said I'm just gettingto experience the real version
of me, the best version of me.
Because I'm free of this stuff.
That's the power of this understanding,is with little tiny steps that are easy
to do, that accumulate to get you aguaranteed result, just like a diet.

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When people lose weight, it's notbecause you come, become enlightened.
It's because you make little adjustments,from unhealthy to healthy, that
accumulate to get you a guaranteed result.
Which for us, and our clients,it's, you're free of this.
But here's the other reason this works.
Everything I've just told you is theory.
It's just theory, Helen,and theory is nice.

(52:18):
It's fun to have a niceconversation about theory.
Theory is useless, borderlineuseless because you're
It's the what theory is great forunderstanding what the problem is.
What do you need in addition to the what?
You need the how.
People don't sell the how.

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They sell the what.
What's the problem?
You have a negative mindset.
You have anxiety.
You're a procrastinator.
You're a perfectionist.
That's what the problem is.
You need a how.
How do I get rid of it permanently?
So we looked at this.
We said, there's all this what.
You buy a book.
It tells you the what.
I read The Power of Now.
I was like, oh, I want to be in the now.

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That's way better.
That's what is better.
There was no how.
So I tried and I failed,felt worse about myself.
They don't sell the how becausethat's harder to pull off.
Here's how you get a how.
We want a how that's simpleand reliable and consistent.

(53:19):
And the way you get that how is a system.
If you look at your life, thereare things that used to be
complicated, but now are simple.
And it's because there'sa system in place.
If you need a root canal, You goto the dentist, they know how to,
they have a system that's beenperfected over about a hundred years.

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To scoop out the infection, fill itwith, healthy teeth, you're back.
There's a system.
A gardener has a system.
A mechanic has a system.
A contractor has a system.
Systems make complexthings simple and reliable.
Perfect sense.
The experts don't sell systems.
They sell tips and tools and band aids.

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You need a system.
So what's in a system?
A system has a complete setof tools to get the job done.
When you take your car to a mechanicand you look around, do they just have
a wrench or do they have other tools?
Yeah.
They have the whole works.
Yeah.
If you hire a contractor and they justshowed up with a hammer and they're

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like, I've got a hammer, that's it.
I've got one hammer.
Are you going to think, Ithink you, you need more tools.
So to solve somethingquickly and effectively.
You need a toolkit that's been optimizedto work together for that specific job.
Okay Your mechanic has wrenches and toolsAnd screwdrivers built for cars and hinges

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They don't have a chainsaw They don'thave they don't have a flamethrower.
They don't have a shovel a gardener hasa toolkit for gardening So you need a
complete toolkit to get the job done.
But when people go for help with anxiety,procrastination, perfectionism, usually
they get one tool here, one technique fromthis person, one insight from this person.

(55:15):
But can you see, it's much more effectiveto have a complete toolkit that's been
optimized to address the root cause.
Can you see that's a better way to do it?
Yeah, it's a no brainer really, yeah,have everything at your disposal,
right tools for the right job,
And that have been optimizedand tested to work together.
Not, oh, I go to this therapist andtry one tool for six months and that.

(55:37):
So, to your audience, thereason that you still have these
struggles, it's not your fault.
You went to people that gave you one tool,or two tools, then you tried it, but you
needed a complete, comprehensive toolkitthat's been designed to work together.
But also, you didn't get theother most important part.

(55:59):
Let's say you have a friend thatwants to make a chocolate chip cookie.
And you give them everything they need.
Flour, water, spoon, bowl,oven, yeast, sugar, everything.
You give them all thetools, everything they need.
But they don't know anything about baking.
Are they going to be ableto make a chocolate chip
no, they don't have the recipe,they don't know how to use those

(56:19):
tools in the way that they need to
Exa I have no idea!
What do I do with the flour?
Do I put it on my hair?
What do I do with the water?
Do I put it in the oven?
What order?
For how long?
How long?
What amount?
They'd have no idea.
But when we go looking for help withanxiety, procrastination, perfectionism,

(56:40):
we get a tool or a technique andthe expert says, here you go.
Good luck.
So what we spent eight years figuring outwas the tools, but also the instructions.
What do you do on what day?
In what order?
For how long?

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It's all laid out.
No guessing, no wondering.
Do this for this amount oftime, for this number of
repetitions, then move on to this.
You not only have the tools, but theinstructions of what to do and when.
And when you have all the ingredientsand the instructions, can you see

(57:26):
that things move much more Quickly?
We're used to complicated.
So the idea that something's simpleand but what if it doesn't work?
That's based on an old paradigm of change.
It's not that effective.
When you break your leg, and you goto a doctor, and they say your bone
is broken, it's a mechanical issue,we're gonna put a cast on, and there's

(57:49):
a mechanism that will fuse the bone.
Nobody goes in there and says, , whatabout my childhood, or this won't work
for me, you just want the bone fixed.
People want to know the why,of course they want the why.
So the first answer to thewhy is, what you're feeling is
a symptom of feeling unsafe.
You feel unsafe because you'renot taking care of yourself.
We're going to show you howto take care of yourself.
You feel safe and your symptom goes away.

(58:11):
But secondly, If you'reskeptical, you should be.
It seems too good to be true.
I totally get it.
So we just tell people,
Have I made a case to try it?
You have tried thingsthat haven't solved it.
We're claiming to solvethings in six weeks.

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If it doesn't work, you don't pay a penny.
And if your motivation to be free of thepain is high enough, that's a sweet deal.
You don't ask a lot of questions.
Thanks.
people that work with us, they justconnect to the possibility and the hope.
And they go, you know what,you're making a lot of sense.

(58:53):
It's about fear, and I do getthat there could be a link between
treatment and care and fear.
And I like the fact that you'retalking about a solution.
You're in the right location,the body, that makes sense.
You're the only person I've everheard of where they charge at the
end when they get results, whichprobably means you get results, which
is really honestly all I care about.

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So I should probably just try it.
So you can be totally skeptical andhave questions, but still try it, but
you have to have a be brave and have anopen mind and want the thing bad enough.
did you come up against anychallenges to get to this point,

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well, two things.
There was for me, I was one of thefirst test cases to go through things
and we were just figuring things out.
We were trying different, using different,combinations of tools, different timings
and we didn't have the formula down.
So in between it was scary.

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I didn't know if it would work.
I was in a lot of pain.
Some of the things.
we're challenging and Ididn't know if it would work.
So I had doubt
and it was scary.
That middle when you're losing hopeand you're not feeling better, that
was scary and I was in a lot of pain,

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but we were persistent and we knew wewere on the right track and the beauty
now is that the program we've tested it.
It's all laid out step by step.
It's six weeks and you start tofeel better in the first three days.
Like it's much easier for people now.
Because we've made it super simple.
It took me three years.
And everybody else getsto do it in six weeks.
I'm a little bit jealous, but whatever.

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The the real challenge, Helen,is people are conditioned to
think this is complicated.
They're conditioned to think that they'rebroken and have to be stuck with this.
The real issue right now ispeople's skepticism because they've
been conditioned by the expertsto think this is complicated.
And now when we come along withsomething really effective, people

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think it's too good to be true.
And that's why most people that workwith us are skeptical but open minded,
and people that work with us are morefocused on what if this does work?
If it doesn't work, no,there's no downside.
It's a win win situation, isn't it?
Yeah, I haven't lostanything, but if it does work?
if this guy can pull off whathe's saying, even half of it?

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Oh my god!
So, if you're too focusedin what if it doesn't work?
What about this?
What about that?
Your focus is in the wrong placeand you won't want to work with us.
If your focus is, Oh my God,what if this guy has pulled this?
Why don't I try this?
If you're more drawn to the hope,you'll be drawn to the hope.

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So if you're listening to this and you'reskeptical, but brave and open minded.
If you get the logic that you weresent to the wrong location and if
you go to the right location, you'reprobably going to get better results.
If you realize you've beengiven individual tips and
tools, but no instructions.
But if you had an optimized system withall the tools and the instructions, that

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would probably get you a different result.
And, you're working with the only companyin the world that measures results and
backs up their results, which probablymeans they probably get results.
If you're picking up on those clues,and seeing that this might work better,
and you're somebody who's alreadytried stuff, if you're somebody who's
anxious, and you've worked on theanxiety, and it's better, but you want

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it gone, that's what we do every day.
That's who we want to work with.
If you're someone who procrastinates,and it's better, you're working on it.
It's improving, but it's still there,and you want to be free of it so that
you can just wake up every morningand do what you want to do and bring
value and look in the mirror and feelfulfilled and proud of yourself every day.
That's what we can get you.

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If that sounds good, and that's whatyou're focused on, come find us.
If you're a perfectionist, if you haveself doubt, and you've been working on it,
and you have tips and tools to manage it,but you want it gone, So that you can wake
up every morning looking forward to theday, open hearted, authentic, courageous,
resilient, that's what this gets you.

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If that sounds good to you, andyou have a brave open mind to
try something new, come find us.
And, we measure
everything.
We don't want, this isn'tlike interpretation.
When you start the program, youfill out a very thorough intake
questionnaire where we numericallymeasure several key metrics.

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As you go through theprogram multiple times a day.
You are measuring your anxiety, yourperfectionism, the procrastination, low
self confidence, whatever it is you wantto solve, you're measuring it daily.
Yes.
And the reason we measure it isbecause that's proof it works.
How many people out there in thisindustry measure their results
and back up their results?
How many?
How many, Helen?

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How many
Oh, look, I know.
I worked in data, in health andI know that there is a lot of
information that is not collected.
Really pivotal information.
If you're not collecting data, you can'tprove that what you're doing is effective.
And that's why this whole industry,I don't want to use the word corrupt,

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but they're really out of integrity.
They'll use words like overcome, improve,
beat, stop.
They use all these vague words.
Then, A, they're not clear.
What does that mean?
I saw this program online thatthey were advertising stop
anxiety with my meditation.

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So, a meditation can't stopanxiety, it can pause anxiety for
about half an hour to an hour.
Which is fine, but don't tellpeople you're stopping it when
all you're doing is pausing it.
We tell people, here's what we do, itis gone, and it's not coming back, and
we measure it, and if it doesn't work,cause that's just the right thing to do,

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but also, I hope it shows people we care.
Think of how many people yougave your money and time to.
And they didn't solve anything.
They were okay with that.
Did any of them say,Hey, I'm really sorry.
We didn't solve this.
And here's your money bacK.
no.

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Yeah.
six weeks, isn't a lot of time.
And every now and thenpartly because of the system.
And we're always improving it partly,you know, the person, but we don't
always get the results we want.
I'll personally reach out to that person.
A, we don't charge you a penny B I'lltell them, I'll say, I'm really sorry

(01:05:41):
we're still working on the program.
This is not your fault.
You are not broken.
This is on us.
You trusted us and we didn't deliver.
And I'm sorry.
if we haven't helped you, why charge you?
Our passion is that you're free of this.
Why?
Because if you try something and youfail, you feel worse about yourself.

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You know how much stuff I tried andfailed and felt more broken and trapped?
So, to you out there, that have triedthings in the past and have failed,
and you're afraid you'll fail at this.
I get it.
Everything else you failed atbecause it wasn't built correctly.
It wasn't a system.
You didn't get the instructions.
it was not built to succeed.
That's why you failed.

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But you blamed yourself.
So to the people out there whothink, oh, I'm going to try one
more thing and I'm going to fail.
You're not going to fail becausebuilding this program, we built it to
make sure that you really can't fail.
That's where all the testingwent in to make it simple.
All the instructions, allthe support materials.
The reason we get paid at theend is because our success

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is tied to your success.
We're with you every step of the way.
We're not going to take yourmoney and leave you hanging.
Other people will, but we won't becauseyes, we want to help you, but more
importantly, we don't want you to fail.
Daniel, I just, I'm just so inspired bywhat you're talking about and, you this

(01:07:03):
is like a missing link that we need.
We need to know that wecan remove all the masks.
And the best feeling is when youcan just be totally yourself.
Accepted as totally who you are,so it sounds to me like this is

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what your system is achieving.
It's allowing peopleto remove those masks.
and it is.
And we didn't know itwould be that effective.
Remember, we just, we were justscientists trying to do better.
We didn't know how good this would be.
But again, I've been using the toolsthe longest, so I'm like patient zero.

(01:07:47):
I used to hate myself.
I used to just live toget people to like me.
I thought I wasn't good enough.
Anxiety, you name it.
I had it.
I thought that was my life.
And now I wake up everymorning, my default.
Not because I meditate not becauseI do an affirmation not because I
light incense not because I clear mychakra My default I wake up and I feel

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safe and nothing It's just my defaultand from that place of pure safety,
my default is authenticity Freedom passionpurpose this energy you see this is
not cocaine.
This is a natural state and most peopleare like, I don't is that even possible?
Here's how you know Here's how youknow, it's possible Most people

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are so removed from this version ofthemselves, it's just theoretical.
But it's not as theoretical as you think.
Because there's a version of you, anda population that lives like this,
it's children.
Yes.
unfiltered.
Mm.
There is no four year old that says,I'm really thinking of finger painting

(01:09:01):
today, but I really want to makesure it's perfect and people like it.
No four year old talks that way.
There's no five year old who said,you know, I'm thinking of going to
the park, but I just don't have theenergy, and I'm really worried about
that I won't be good enough at TAG,so I think I'm gonna stay home.
There's no five year oldsthat go to Tony Robbins, okay?
And that is because children stillhave a healthy nervous system.

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They still have that no fear.
Now, five, six, seven, eight,the fear starts to kick in.
But before it happens, everybodyknows, man, when I was younger, I
was open hearted, I was spontaneous,I was in the moment, I had tons
of energy, full of optimism.
That version of you still exists.

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It's in you, it's just coveredup from feeling unsafe.
So if we remove the unsafety over sixweeks and it's gone, you now are that
beautiful childlike spontaneous, openhearted, fearless, confident person.
That person is in there.
You just heal the safety outof you and that's your default.
That's how I live

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every day.
And I,
want that for your
audience.
,I I've loved every aspect ofthis conversation, Daniel, because,
you know, you've just spoken tomy heart through and through.
I truly believe that.
I want to be that type of person that'sout there serving others with a passion.

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To help them find that in themselves,and your system is doing that perfectly.
We're going to let people know howthey can get hold of you, how they
can make a quick phone call toyou to have a chat, to see if the
system's going to be right for them.
But before we do that, can I just ask youthree questions I ask all of my guests.
So the first question is, whatis the best thing that has

(01:10:48):
happened to you so far today?
That message from that clientthis morning saying that he felt
happiness for the first time in years.
Yes, that speaks to me too.
That's beautiful.
What is something thatyou are most grateful for?

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I'm grateful
for the pain that was sent to me andI'm grateful that the experts failed me
because it forced me to figurethis out for the world and for me.

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I benefit every day from this.
If I had just keptBuying with the experts.
If the pain had been less,I might have tolerated.
I was in such pain and felt so trappedand hopeless that I surrendered.
And God woke me up and hesaid, you're an engineer.
You go solve this.
But it's cause the pain was so high andI felt so trapped that it forced me.

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What's it?
Necessity is the mother of invention.
This is an invention and I neededit cause everything failed me.
And it forced me to invent this andwhat I invented Was a way to fast track
us to what we truly want, which issafety and freedom as our default state.
And so I'm grateful how bad it gotbecause it forced me to do this

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and I benefit every day from it.
But then I get to share it with the world.
Oh, that's such a wonderful response.
The third question is, when youhave moments in your day that turn a
little bit dark, and we have a phrasehere, when they turn to custard, how
do you pivot out of those moments?

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I know you're not gonna believe me.
I
don't have them.
I know, I knew you were going to saythat, I do believe you, because I think
your system is effective, so effectivethat you don't go there anymore.
It's I swear it's I know Ijust say it because it's true.
And when people go through theprogram, they're like, oh, I get it.

(01:13:03):
Yeah.
If you use these toolslong enough, absolutely.
I mean, look, that guy's feelingjoy for the first time in a week.
Okay.
I've been using these tools for years.
It doesn't occur, but it's aweird when I first started going
through this, it was weird.
Cause, stuff was happening, things thatused to terrify me just didn't bother me.
It was disorienting at first.

(01:13:25):
I can feel stress every now andthen if things, if I'm challenged,
I might feel stress at about a3 out of 10 for about 5 minutes.
That's about as bad as itgets, but that's normal.
That's just a stress response.
That's normal, but honestly,I'm not, it's weird.
And what's heartbreaking,I'm not enlightened.

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I'm not special.
We just figured out what effingworks and what effing works everyone
else is trying what doesn't work.
And it's breaking my heart thatwhat we do isn't better known.
Nobody knows about us.
And it saddens me.
Every day I both am grateful tobe free of this, and also sad that

(01:14:10):
we have something so effectivethat almost nobody knows about.
So I really want to tell youraudience, if you're hearing this,
God wants you to hear this.
This is a miracle that you clickedon this show and you heard me.
I hope 30 years from nowwhat we do is the norm.
Right now, nobody knowsabout what we're doing.

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We're 30 years ahead of our time.
And if you're hearing this, it's becausewhatever force out there is looking
out for you, wanted you to hear this.
Do not take this lightly follow up,tell somebody who's in pain about this.
Cause this is what the world needs.
And it's a miracle and ablessing that you heard me.

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And I have enough self love to knowthat I'm a walking angel miracle.
And I'm, this comes from aperson who used to hate himself.
So if you get The intuitive breadcrumb
of what you heard don't take this lightly.
It's god wanted you to hear thisFollow up be skeptical, but be

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hopeful and come to the website.
You can learn about the program Wealso have some free resources Just for
you to try things out because we knownot everybody's ready for the program.
That's fine We're just here to help learnabout the program if you're interested
in the program You book a free call withme, we talk, I learn more about you,

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you tell me what you want to be freeof, whether it's anxiety, perfectionism,
procrastination, people pleasing, low selfconfidence, you tell me that thing that's
keeping you from being the person youwant to be, that you want to be free of.
I'm
tools are going to help you, becausewe don't work with you if we can't help
you, because we don't want you to fail.
And if I think it's a goodfit, we offer you the program.

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If you want to do it, great.
If not, that's okay, too.
We only want to work with motivated peoplethat really want to be free of that.
So if you're skeptical, but open andcurious to be free of all this stuff
quickly, and you have the courage totry something new, and the courage to
actually let this go, because a lot ofpeople are afraid to let their stuff go.
If you really want to let your stuff go,and you have the courage to really change.

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And what I've been saying makes sense.
Just take the next step,go to DanielPackard.
com, see what we do, book a call with me.
See what happens.
Sounds great, Daniel.
I'm going to have all those links aswell in the episode notes, and so people
can go and find them there as well.

(01:16:38):
Daniel, I just am so gratefulthat, we found each other, that we
connected, that I've got to hearthis incredible journey that you've
been on, because I certainly wouldn'thave expected a mechanical engineer
to have come up with this beautifullife changing system, but I am so

(01:16:58):
grateful that you have, and I'm sograteful that unfortunately you did
have to go through what you did to takeyou on that journey to discover this.
You've, also had over 3000people at over 300 companies and
universities all over the world,where you've, trialed this system.

(01:17:19):
And I also read that the South Africangovernment has asked to make Nervous
System Reset a part of their nationalmental health curriculum, so that
is definitely a feather in your cap.
And I just hope that the word just keepsspreading far and wide so that more

(01:17:43):
people can know that there is hope.
There is hope from their pain.
So, Daniel, thank you very, very much.
Thank you, Helen, for the deepappreciation which I receive.
And, I feel grateful to share this withyour audience because, again, like I
said, if they're listening to a podcastwith the word grief in it, these are

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warrior people that are connected to theirfeelings and can, a few of them, not all
of them, but some people listening tothis is perfect for to get them to use
the pain to catapult them to freedom.
No more band aids, just life upgrades.
How's that
sound?
Oh, perfect.
No more Band Aids.

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I like that.
Good catchphrase.
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