BKP #347 [EN] Marco Sentinelli, Urban Bees SH

Marco is the local “bee guy” in Shanghai, working with a group of volunteer beekeepers doing things like swarm rescues, making honey, and bee products, all while trying to hold onto the principles of ethical beekeeping. You guys can check them out at Urban Bees Shanghai on Wechat. And book a tour!

Episode Transcript

(00:08):
okay how's everyone doing
i have Marco here with me talking about urban bees
how are you today
and how Arthur thanks for having me here
i'm a bit tired it was an important day today oh
yeah what'd you do that
we started a day with having a very energetic group of girl scouts
there were not so many but they were very energetic, and then i had to kind of close down for the winter

(00:34):
one of our apiary sites, one of the three we have, prepared the bees for winter
so just some maintenance to do
and to be clear after the podcast then i go back home and then i start to work on what is my real job
it's a long day
yeah especially on Friday too it's tough
Yeah but Arthur look outside!

(00:55):
i mean the window the sun is amazing
it's beautiful today
i know um so tell me how you got started with bees and why you decided to do it in Shanghai
very nice questions the first is a more traditional answer,
so i was in Germany having fun with my vegetable garden, since i was a child

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i'm Italian, but i was living in Germany at that time,
and our orchard was not producing any fruit at all, so i asked the neighbors
and they said yeah of course
have you seen any bees around? we said no
So you know Germany
being Germany
you have to have a license for everything
so i took the license

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i had six months of mentoring with a slightly racist grumpy old beekeeper
he didn't want to be with me i didn't want to be with him clearly
but okay after that i took two beehives with me
and i was lucky because the colonies were very easy to maintain
so comes spring and summer a lot of fruit on the trees and neighbors coming in bringing me stuff

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because they said we never seen so much production
that's how i started around almost 20 years ago
then i moved to Shanghai around six years ago and of course big interruption right
i mean you move i live in Zhongshan Park so not really the place for no
but one evening, i was bored, i was reading some research paper about the local Chinese bees

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and at the bottom there was the signature of two professors in Hangzhou the university i contacted them
and i said i would like to come back to beekeeping can you help me?
so they introduced me to syngenta company
which is the largest pesticide company in the world
so i think they were feeling guilty so they helped me to find a bee base an apiary right

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so i got in touch with this company is a legit vegetable farming company
but is also working with China Space Agency
okay
they asked me to
do the pollination service for the plants of which the seeds were sent to space
okay low orbit space
that sounds like a lot of fun
yeah
in fact we are the only one in the world to have space honey okay

(03:17):
space honey?!
is not what people can think about it's not THAT space honey
you know because someone is asking no just just the honey of those plants that were sent to god
yes
so yeah this is how i started here but that was just for my personal hobby that was 2023
then i invited some friends of mine in my football team they came with children

(03:43):
with their children and the children they were enjoying they were talking at school the schools approached me
and then the second we bring the the classes yeah why not?
It became a more mainstream activity
so for example this year we had the chance to have over all the international schools cis actually

(04:05):
i would like to single out una minog because she was the pioneer of this
she was she was great so yeah
because our objective
i say our because we're a group now
it goes that when we have guests coming to visit the base our open days

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someone is asking me i want to be a beekeeper
but i don't have a garden or a space so they join our volunteer group
and i basically train them on the job i don't want to say train actually i share my experience
and we use some literature as a reference
but basically it's just training on the job yeah

(04:51):
the fascinating thing of bigkeeping for me is that it's a lot of drama
and it means that for example in our beekeeper group
we exchange sort of a brief before the visit
but when you go there and you approach or you open the beehive
You never know what you can see inside
and sometimes can be amazing like i don't know a colony is growing healthy

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and you can find a lot of pollen out of season
but sometimes can be dramatic like a colony can die and you do the beehive autopsy which is sad
actually we have done one two weeks ago with the beekeepers
and then you will try to understand reasons
and the reasons can be anything including beekeeper's mistakes

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but it's full of drama surprise
so why in Shanghai though? i feel like Shanghai is a very urban city
there is nature but there is not a lot of nature
i grew up in New Jersey i went to Central Park all the time Central Park is very nature

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Shanghai doesn't have that much nature Shanghai is very concrete,
So to have bees in Shanghai, which i rarely see, is very shocking to me
okay
um let's talk about the micro part and the macro part
So the macro trend for bees is actually migrating to cities

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okay
the reasons are also linked to the main reasons why bees are disappearing all over the world
now forget about what they say bees disappear humanity will die that's not true
it's true that two third of what we eat in terms of fruit and vegetables depends on bees
on direct pollination and honeybees are one of the most efficient ones

(06:43):
but staple food rice wheat corn don't depend on yeah on it so...
they are migrating because we do a lot of mass farming yeah
so it means that there is a lot of resources in very specific time of the year
if you look a city as a paradox offers less resources but more continuous all over the year

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and especially now let's go about Shanghai i want to say that Shanghai yes is a very is a concrete jungle
but if you look
the government takes a lot of care on changing flowers very often
we may discuss from these flowers they are coming from yeah yeah

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and they are planted blah blah
I mean i can tell you they're all from greenhouses
but it's good
it is offering a very diverse and very continuous resource for the bees
i'm sure after this podcast, you will do
if you look around you can see bees very often in Shanghai

(07:49):
I find that very hard to believe because I'm outside a good amount and I don't see a lot of bees
I used to see more, I think I see less this year than maybe ten years ago
That, Arthur, i cannot answer you
because the trend all over the years i can tell you,
in the last ten years more than half of the colonies all over the world they have been lost or disappeared

(08:16):
so bees are disappearing all over the world
I feel that as well like 10 years ago you can see bees around the trees you can see them around the streets
Recently far less!
The last wild bee i saw was 3 weeks ago, I went to the hospital I have to do a treatment and i saw a struggling bee

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but what i do, and actually your podcast could help, i do what is called swarm rescue
okay
so i want to clarify first
what is it? and then why
swarm rescue is exactly how it sounds
So sometimes you have wild swarm of bees specifically during late spring
because it's the way colonies reproduce

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and at that time they swarm,
it means that the old queen will take half of the bees from the original colony will fly away to find a new house
why
that's the way the overall bee population reproduce
okay yeah
we always have to think about honey bees as a superorganism
meaning on top of being a very complex society where the greater good is more important than the individual

(09:26):
yeah
a lot to learn there
but and we also have to understand that the bee has to be considered as...
the whole colony has to be considered as one animal and this mechanism to swarm away
it's how all organism is reproducing okay
aside from the single bee reproduction

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so let me understand, the queen takes half the colony away what happens to the other half?
very good question
so an installed queen inside the beehive will produce a pheromone from her jaw
that is basically basically telling to the bees i'm at home everything is fine
the moment she flies away, she leaves, the bees will realize that

(10:13):
so they will do what nature programed them to do
we will take around four to five very young eggs less than four days
and kind of reprogram them to grow up as Queen
now reprogram means that while a normal honeybee will hatch in 21 days

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and after the 6 days will have will move from a diet based on royal jelly moving to a normal diet of honey and pollen
okay
a Queen is fed for all her larva cles which is 16 days shorter than a normal honeybee
on Royal jelly
on Royal jelly

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Royal jelly is coming directly from the bees by the way
from the head area of the bees of some bees
So coming back so they swarm so what is their way to reproduce okay
so it happened to me this year, 4x now, 5x that people are calling me
because now I'm starting to get popular in Shanghai as the bee guy

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so they come in they say "oh we have a swarm of bees for example in a school playground"
which is not exactly what you want
no right
because they left a wooden box there so obviously yeah perfect habitat
perfect right
so i go there and then i bring back to our apiary because during winter the wild bees normally will survive only 47% of the case

(11:49):
on our apiary last year 100%
wow yeah
congratulations well
congratulations to the beekeeper's team
but the point is that we feed them during winter we insulate the beehive we take care
Now the swarm relocation or swarm rescue is funny because there are two ways

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one when you don't have a huge colony and you are lucky, i go there i spray them with a little bit water sugar
cleaning and licking themselves sure
and i look for the queen
yeah
gently i take the queen and i put in the beehive box and then all the other bees will just go there
right
so for example

(12:31):
i had one swarm rescue early this year i have a cool video about it and it took me like 15 minutes
i just took the queen i moved it there
you have to imagine is sun sunrise time because you do this during when there is no light because when there is light
the bees are outside working so i just sit there and i look the column going in

(12:54):
then i also had the other weight of the swarm rescue where basically you have such a huge colony
so i rescue a colony in Jing'An right in front of m50 on the 23rd floor
it was a huge colony i tried to find the queen by the way the owner

(13:17):
he said if either you move the bees or i kill them all or i call the fireman yeah
which they will hose down
i tried, trust me Arthur, i tried to find the queen
yeah
after twenty minutes i kind know half an hour i gave up yeah
so i just i just basically scoop the bees inside the box and i cut the frames

(13:38):
sorry i cut honeomb and i put back into the frame so they will find the same structure back
then i still wait
well luckily the colony survived because it was a huge colony yeah and once back in the in the apiary a week later
i found also the queen so everything was good

(13:58):
so how big is big? like you say it's a very big colony...
In terms of numbers, what does that look like?
let's play a guessing game
what do you think
what do you think
a fairly large colony in number of bees
a hundred 100 bees okay
that would be correct if i would ask you about bumblebee

(14:20):
okay
probably even around 50 there's more colors no so
for honey bees they're much smaller
and then it depends on the bees for example
Chinese bees are two third of the size of an Italian bee okay
but to answer your question ah a good colony is fifty thousand bees
fifty thousand yep

(14:41):
that's a that's way more than i thought yeah
fifty thousand but beekeepers they don't count at this one by one yeah
it's just an estimate they measure yeah
they measure according
we use it as a unit frame so inside the beehive okay
the commercial beehive specifically
we use the langstroth beehive, which is the standard all over the world

(15:03):
Although in the UK of course, they use a different way
so i'm going very racist on this spot first
the comment by the German now about uk jokes jokes
so we use frames
and the frame is a wooden structure where we could eventually even provide them with some wax layer base

(15:27):
to help them build the honeomb
but sometimes we just give empty frame now why do we use frame
because sometimes beekeepers need to do some manipulations
for example, approaching winter 2 weak colonies is better to merge
to have one medium sized colony that can overwinter right

(15:48):
so having the bees on the frame and having easy to move it's easy to move yeah
you can merge colonies or do do they fight
i feel like they would not they don't necessarily have they might not get along i feel like okay
you're right merging colony is a process that you cannot just scope bees inside another behind usually

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we call it we use a technique using a newspaper
so we put in between the old colony and the new colony frames we put a newspaper sheet
which basically allows the bees to chew through and give them the time to get used about each other okay

(16:32):
it's even more fascinating when we do the what is called requeening
so imagine this scenario
that was my next question
was if there are two colonies there are probably two Queens then they probably don't get along for sure!
I know women oh
now we are all great great job, Arthur, so that's okay beekeeping is data driven decision making okay

(16:59):
that's the way i define it so you collect a lot of data and then you have to take informed decision for example
winter is approaching a small colony decision is this the data the decision is okay i'm gonna merge
as you rightly said there are no two Queens into a colony never yeah
almost never so if you would put them together

(17:21):
the Queens will fight which means yes one will survive
but she will also be damaged you don't want so this hard decision for a beekeeper
some beekeepers will squeeze one queen and then do the merging
some others will put the queen in another small beehive and just feed her through winter

(17:42):
even though her let's say the chance of success of this process over winter is very low for a queen that is alone
but generally you have to take the decision and only one queen yeah
and of course
Queens are different colonies are different and so you might have your favorite queen
because maybe she's producing bees that are making more honey or maybe their colony is more gentle

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or maybe the queen itself herself is more tidy the way she lays eggs so it helps you with manipulation
yeah
i see that's really sad to hear that one of them has to go you know
yeah but let's talk about the dark side of the bees that's interesting they have a lot of dark sides
really because to me honey bees always represented hard work right?

(18:35):
they're very straightforward and they just they work hard that's what you're taught when you're a kid right
work like a honeybee
and you just every day just work work work
work work and you don't think they have a lot of personality
but as i talk to people who get to know bees, it turns out bees have a lot of personality, there's a lot of like each colony has its own like

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which is not what i expected
i kind of just expected they're a little bit more like robots and they just work work work
there are many aspects,
but the dark side is coming from the positive traits that you just describe so i mean visa have been here way more earlier than human yes

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and even in the classic age for example
I'm from from Rome, the Romans were always using the bees to represent yeah hard working and loyalty and another interesting aspect for example
the Catholic the Christian church is using beeswax in the church because the wax is produced only by virgin bees

(19:43):
and it represent the purity of the light yeah
so it's true they hard workers
but they are ruthless and that's what i love about them
okay
so they're ruthless and they are obsessed with tightness and cleanless that's why i love them but let's talk about the ruthless side so for example

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the queen is not a ruler
okay
the queen is a egg machine hmm so when the queen is starting to get old
she doesn't produce as much or she is not tidy or she doesn't produce at all,
the colony will actually decide new queen
new queen yeah
and how they kill the queen

(20:25):
i have no idea
they do the queen ball so they wrap the queen in a ball of bees
the bees will flap the wings and will basically suffocate and overheat the queen oh
i witness more than once and i left it cold because this is nature right yeah
let's talk about the Queen
the Queen herself is very ruthless

(20:46):
so remember you were asking me what about new Queens hatching out
so the Queens they they make four to five Queen cops is called like this the south for Queens okay
and you have two cases the first case is one Queen emerges and so the first job she will do she goes around and kills all the other pupae

(21:07):
of course
but then it's even worse when two Queens emerges at the same time
the Queens will fight as a beekeeper you don't want because whatever queen will survive still is injured
yeah is injured
but the colony will also take side oh
and at the same point could even finish the fight yeah

(21:27):
so and another thing very interesting so for example okay
let's talk about the genders in the bees you have a male
and female mostly female
correct
yeah
yes very good Arthur, and if you are a beekeeper
you want your your beehive mostly of worker female bees
right

(21:47):
why because the drones so the boys they don't work one day in their life
they don't do anything is what i understand
yes that's correct look image in the life of the drone i'm born someone is feeding me then when the time comes
i go out on date and if i'm lucky
i get to meet with the queen
i get to meet with the queen correct

(22:07):
then i die yeah
but it's not a bad life it's not a bad life you you die in doing what you like
but it also comes to the time that for example
you have drones up in the beehive approaching winter
so i have the population of drone is around five ten percent so that's why you correctly
you said its mainly workerbees but when it comes to winter

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the workerbees they know that they are basically a debt on the colony balance right
so they evict them okay so as a beekeeper for me is common to come when it's cold like now
you go and you see a lot of that bees in front of the gate yeah
entrance you don't you don't get worried if you see that there are males
that's normal right

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and that's sad but i mean nature's nature's very ruthless to me as humans
i think we kind of forget how ruthless nature is
um i tell some of my friends that i want to go hunting uh
next year um in New Jersey hunting deer is very natural

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because one, your hunting license pays for the preservation of the deer
two, deer are everywhere and it's a huge problem and it's attracting black bears
which then cause an even bigger problem so to be able to kind of control the amount of deer in New Jersey
they give out up to six tags a year and you're allowed to take six deer a year if you can

(23:36):
um and a lot of people will say wow
hunting is very mean
very ruthless
but would you prefer to have a deer get killed by a wolf who kind of keeps attacking this deer and she slowly dies?
or maybe just an arrow which will kill her in thirty seconds right

(23:58):
i think a lot of people have kind of forgotten that nature is kind of mean
kind of ruthless there's a lot of pain there that we have kind of like separated ourselves from you know when you actually interact with nature more and more you find that oh actually
it's not as nice as like you know most movies tend to make you believe yeah

(24:21):
neither is pragmatic yeah so as b you know
so it's perfect example uh
i think that to extend what you are just saying
which by the way i told the leg
with you i'm a hunter myself
i am shocked when i have young students coming over to the apiary,

(24:42):
how far and disconnected they are from nature first so
they really do not understand what you just said and secondly also how disconnected they are from food
like a hundred percent
right
they don't understand the effort behind the food where the food is coming from i mean we are back to spaghetti are coming from the trees

(25:06):
that's scary yeah
um i was lucky to go to inner Mongolia last year and inner Mongolia is a different is a different part of the world you know
we were we went into a couple of the camps and you have these bottles of milk that you can kind of feed the goats and as you're feeding the goats

(25:29):
they are telling you oh
that one's going to be dinner tonight ha
ha and immediately you know at around five o'clock they just string it up and cut it and my friends were shocked of course
they were like oh my god we were feeding that maybe half an hour ago and now it's strung up by one leg but again we have forgotten where our meat comes from

(25:53):
we forget where a lot of our food comes from a lot of our people only see steaks they don't even see like the whole leg
yeah
none of that they just see a piece of meat and a piece of plastic and that always shocks me
do you understand that this piece of meat comes from an animal

(26:13):
that's so much bigger than forgotten
yeah but i mean i have to be honest i named my dog
but i never named my bees yeah
of course because they are toughs and doves
but also i never named the queen bees interesting yeah
so for example
we have the adoption program

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so organizations can adopt a beehive right
and and they often ask us to name a to name
the queen bee
i explain them what you just said that you know the queen can can die and so on and just to let them understand because naming a pet is a different step primarily right yeah

(26:55):
so i guess the goat was not exactly at least you are not calling my name right i hope so
that's a little bit pshotic
yeah
because you form a connection with it all of a sudden and then it's a different animal
but that doesn't stop me to feel bad
when the queen
when i when i mess up yeah
i have no problem to say that even this year

(27:17):
after after this long time even this year
i think that for one colony i made i made us a mistake
which was basically i didn't double check they wouldn't block the entrance yeah
so i luckily i realized
but after a few days
so a lot of bees that's because of this thing

(27:40):
it happens it's human yeah
but i also take care a lot of the others right humans out so again back to bees i think the main i guess interaction that we have bees is really honey
humans right most of us have heard that honey is very good for you
honey is you know a natural sweetener that has a lot of other benefits i've heard a lot of myths about honey

(28:08):
please let me know if they're true
my mother always tells me that you should eat local honey that you should have honey if you're in New Jersey
you should eat honey made in New Jersey because it helps against your allergies too is that true
yes really
it's the same concept of the homeopathic medicine so first

(28:30):
let me give a disclaimer to the audience okay
i'm not a scientist
i'm not a researcher per se and i'm not an entomologist okay
just a passionate one
so please double check my information no problem but on this i can tell you it's the same concept but it's a very important question because allows us to talk about the good honey and bad honey yeah

(28:51):
and the inferior quality honey
so let me explain um the good thing in the honey having said that still the hundred percent composition of honey is unknown
we don't know exactly the hundred percent
but one part that gives the taste and gives a lot of benefit is also the pollen and all those small particles that are inside the honey okay

(29:12):
so for example
a super crystal Korea honey usually
it's not a good sign why this is probably an industrial honey industrial honey means that there is no separation i'm going to get bit nerdy there is no separation between the fruit box where you have eggs and larvae
and the resource box where you have honey and nectar and Paula okay

(29:35):
so it means that and this is very much not judging it's just the traditional Chinese beekeeping they only have one box so when it comes to harvest season
they cut everything they put in a big press machine they press they're pressing x lava
b
also b
some b's also yeah
and then they they have to filter three four five times through thinner thinner meshes every time i see

(30:02):
so it's ultra filter yeah
so it's taking out the pollen and it's taking out some good things that are inside and back to your question then you are just eating sucrose and fructose that's what i'm worried about is hot
yeah yeah
which is good
but it's sucrose and fructose without a good thing yeah
if you eat local
but local means 30km radius

(30:25):
there are some research it's i would say that we can generally say that eating 30km local honey with micro dosage before the allergy season will help you have a milder symptoms symptoms of your allergy interesting

(30:45):
and that's but you can also
eat pollen itself
oh
yeah
which
but then it depends on what you're allergic to right
yes but there is a different reaction from for example
the pollen that you breathe in and the pollen that you eat eat again if you're an allergic subject on it pollen okay

(31:07):
i don't try right
but in terms of this idea of having a protocol right for the allergy you can go straight to pollen or as we do you have the spread of honey and you sprinkle some pollen on top
that's cool
but coming back also one thing our honey for example
is what we call it unfiltered

(31:28):
so it means we filter only once just to take the wax out and because we take only from the resource bin yes
so that part of the frame so we don't need to in fact our honey is not crystal clear at all
i saw it it's got a little bit of cloud to it
exactly but i think this is what it makes it tasty
i mean that's what i feel like about most of our foods it's just it's become so filtered it's become so quote refined that you're kind of missing out on a lot of the benefits of actual food right um again

(32:02):
let's go back to me like my friends that eat very like processed or very just even cows from like very clean let's say atmosphere i would rather have a wild animal like in
almost any sense i would like to have this animal eating what it wants to eat throughout its life and then have a more almost robust taste to the meat

(32:28):
whereas and a cow
that's just been eaten corn all of its life it's kind of almost one dimensional to me where i'm just like oh
it taste like this tastes good
but it's just kind of no layers to it
yeah but i want to also tell you
Arthur that in our in my mission honey is just a bait okay

(32:51):
interesting
what they mean here is that um people uh contact me often to have local organic and future um raw honey
we call it raw honey
which is a very good idea and that is the opportunity to invite them to our apiary okay
to have our tours and to understand better about the piece and and then to become active not only consumer

(33:17):
which already if you buy honey from your local beekeeper that's the best thing you can do okay
but i invite you to visit your beekeeper because then you can as you were saying find and and create a connection and a link with your food which especially when it comes to meat and we are completely losing
lost yeah
and not mentioning about the the the price i really don't understand how a chicken breast it cost four rmb i'll half a kilo of honey cost twenty nine rmb by the way

(33:49):
very interesting China again i'm not judging
i'm just telling the data
the legislation about honey is the following is the first level food production
which means that you don't need any special license to produce and sell okay
because you just bought two
but that means that you can put the honey label even though it's not hundred percent honey hmm and i invite you to do one thing you go to family mart or lotsen you buy your yogurt and you have your honey bag inside oh

(34:21):
yeah
i've seen that honey
that's not real honey half
no way it doesn't crystallize in the fridge how is that honey yeah
it can it's possible yeah
but his label has honey yeah
so yeah that's different in Europe and us i mean i come from Italy we're strict about food you getting major yeah
and imagine that even if it's 99 percent honey for example

(34:41):
we sell honeywood nuts or honeywood wax actually with a honeomb
okay
you cannot label honey you have to find like for example
it's called melle yeah
honey in Italian but that thing is called melito so it sounds like but it's not i see interesting
i mean i would rather have that i would just rather have a honey where you know

(35:04):
it's a hundred percent or it's not filtered it's not gone through a lot of processing which is why your i guess urban bees is so interesting to me
because you're
really going from a
a very raw source as opposed to who knows what have been added to um i guess what we're eating i work right now

(35:25):
i work in um a food company and a lot of even coffee is not just coffee anymore it's coffee plus natural flavoring
oh like the vanilla coconut no
but they label it as coffee yeah
but they'll throw in a little bit of extra flavoring just so it tastes better
give it a cake yeah

(35:45):
and not labeled on there you have no idea but that's what's going on right now
because there's such a high demand for good coffee and most people can't tell good coffee but they wanna really have like a pronounced let's say grapefruit flavor well
then i'll put a little bit of like flavoring into it and oh

(36:07):
it tastes wow
it tastes like grapefruit where's that from it's just artificial flavoring but there's so little of it that they don't have to label it right
and that bothers me like legally
don't have legally you don't have to label it
but i don't know what you think Arthur
but i think that slowly slowly consumers here in China are are going in the same direction and maybe i mean they have to yeah yeah

(36:29):
i'm happy about it they they pay attention to be honest okay
our main objective is not selling honey
our main objective by the way we're a volunteer group so selling
honey is just the mean to support our operations and really not our job but i have a lot a lot of local shanhanese customers

(36:51):
so they always contact me first for do you have local rohani that's that's reason but and i want to tell you a very interesting case
uh
i want to name and single out an organization
okay uh
i'm very grateful to is the ritz carton in lujad's way
okay
here it's right by here
yeah it's right here

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um by the way great sight for the podcast um
specifically Dale the the gm and animagi
the head chef because um in in just four weeks they contact me we met i told them our story and our mission that is about honeybee education they came over to the apiary with the chef team so three chefs

(37:36):
the marketing team love it hr everyone was there we had a tour they took videos
pictures and in and two weeks after we started the afternoon tea with our honey products and also a bit uncommon products like pollen or the meat yeah and then and of course
this gives us the visibility that we need and people will understand that this honey is just few kilometers from where you are eating you know that i think it was important for me to mention them

(38:06):
sorry no they're incredible like and we had a restaurant a long time ago when i first came to Shanghai also it
was on the bun and we did as much local sourcing as possible we also did bees we did bee larvae unfortunately oh
i know you know bee larvae
and then we would have them i guess toasted yeah

(38:27):
and then they would be in one of our dishes
which is fantastic
oh i'm fully in favor of the insect eating yeah yeah
it was delicious a lot of people were kind of freaked out a little bit because some of the larvae would have like a wing stick out that's just i would be great about your provider
but that's a different story
but it was it was delicious and i do think that a lot of restaurants are also moving in that direction yes

(38:54):
yes yes
yes yeah
alz diner is another yeah
they're great
they're great if you go there
they have the sundae that is called urban bees the Sunday urban bees with our pollen and honey i mean Grace has been great in that sense yeah
but yeah i want to ask you one question
go for it
what is your personal relationship with honey bees

(39:16):
like have you ever been never never around the honey bees
never
why
when i was a kid
we used to have a lot of bees okay
my grandmother's house had this huge flowering tree and every spring there would be a ton of bees around it and we were terrified of the bees because we were kids we

(39:36):
just we were we would assume that we would get stung okay
but then slowly
we learned that we could catch them in our hands and be okay yeah
and eventually
we weren't scared of them anymore but at the time
there was this huge tree and we were
we were terrified of the bees in the in the spring and then eventually
you realized that they won't sting you they are not gonna buy you no big deal and we got used to it

(39:59):
but i also kind of moved to cities where there were not that many bees so i just never got a really intimate i guess interaction with bees like they were not really you know i guess a thing for me
we have a lot of guests that basically
they have a similar story right and and they come to our April

(40:24):
sort of going out of their comfort zone right
so i also they're scared right yeah
because they are scared
but i appreciate people that are going out of their comfort zone i mean some people will do with like jujitsu
yeah right
for example but um so but those guests is very interesting to observe because at the beginning when we approach the b area
they rightly stay maybe ten feet away

(40:45):
right
and then slowly slowly when you when they see that our bees are actually very gentle yeah and at the end they finished the tour taking a picture with
the fray holding a frame of bees with like maybe five ten thousand bees on it yeah
so that's that's when i know that they changed their mindset yeah
that's incredible and it's good to see that people are i guess try just taking that extra step yes

(41:08):
you know because i also have friends that would probably go and they would not go anywhere
near it like they would look at it behind glass like that's as far as i'm going
but you can still make the difference you buy the local honey again not necessarily from us but just local honey because he's also helping beekeepers you know
average age of beekeepers is getting like incredibly i think in the us is sixty three years old oh

(41:33):
gee something like that there is also a land called beekeeper's age which means you are forty to fifty good looking men so that's the reason why i started beekeeping so now everyone can call me that no
but jokes aside you help the beekeepers and the beekeepers are helping the environment we are the invisible contributors to our ecosystem like the job we do no one noticed that yeah but everyone will benefit of it yeah

(42:02):
of course yeah
um so i again i said before i work at a food company and one of our projects is monk fruit i don't know if you know monk fruit yeah
yeah and so monk fruit is notoriously difficult to pollinate it
is right now actually in China mostly done manually
manually
and i've asked about this i was like um how do we make more monk fruit or make them

(42:29):
i guess faster and it's very difficult because they the scientists have told me the insects that used to pollinate monk fruit we don't know where they are
but they are gone and so this is all done manually now and it is a very difficult time of the year to be doing it manually
because it's usually in July or June so super hot out all done manually and not a lot of people are willing to do it so monk fruit is very i guess low yield because it's just very slow and it's only done once again

(43:05):
it's becoming expensive
it's becoming expensive
but you know i don't know the specific situation of the monk food but now
the beekeeping services so the polynation service is actually
the main revenue source for a commercial beekeeper
that's what i was not declining um is not for us we don't do polination service we don't do the nomadive

(43:27):
no nomadic beekeeping so our bees are always in our base um but it's very common to see that now this job is done by underpaid
undereducated workers all over the country why
because it's easier to tell people to do that rather than learning beekeeping because there is a big difference between beekeeping and behaving okay because you know bees are

(43:52):
wild animals of course and our main job is actually to keep them there i'm joking about it but it's true like a lot of industrial beekeepers they don't care about the winter when it comes to maybe October
they harvest the honey they destroy the colony and then in March they will buy new quints and start from scratch they don't care about the time the money to feed them during winter which instead we do

(44:17):
so tell me more about i guess what we were talking about earlier
because you would mention that there's ethical beekeeping and non ethical beekeeping um and industrial i understand is slightly less ethical kind of what you were saying before
so what are the differences is
there actually difference in the product in the in the honey

(44:39):
so let's start with the data
i don't know exactly how much but the honey that is available on the market it's like five to seven times the honey that is officially produced okay so that's already is telling us something yeah yeah
i mean i'm talking generally in the world i understand so

(45:00):
there is demand for the product and there are two ways to increase the production one is to do the nonsonatural beekeeping for example
you can feed your bees with sugar solution white brand related sugar is cheaper than honey
a hundred percent right so you feed them and you have pros and sugar
you yield a lot

(45:21):
you can do the non ethical what we said earlier
so you just the end of the season cut all the frames and that's the harvest like ten times more of what we do
that's why our honey is actually expensive and this is one way the other ways you cut your product with other things right
yeah yeah
that's so more common
but ethical beekeeping what we do

(45:44):
which is a part of the natural beekeeping so natural beekeeping is a beekeeping technique that doesn't force too much the manipulation on the bees so for example
clear example
we don't clip the wings of our queen bee hmm so when it comes April
we only rely on our technique to keep the bee there

(46:05):
to keep the queen there and if she doesn't if she does want to swarm away with half of the bees
she's gonna do it just gonna do
it yeah right
but if you grip her wings
she will not swarm
she can't yeah
she can't so you know probably
that's what a lot of industrial beekeepers they do i see
but this is a minor impact because clipwings queen bee is not a huge thing in my opinion okay

(46:27):
but there are more controversial practices that will increase the production or will trick the bees yeah on the other side as a beekeeper
you also have some responsibilities for example
why do we harvest pollen pollen is the trigger for the queen bee to the side on
the population volume more pollen more x okay

(46:50):
since we live in areas with monoculture if you go around Shanghai when it comes March is plenty of rapeseed plants
okay
yeah
so the bees they think oh god i'm in paradise yeah
so the queen sees all this pollen coming in and she makes a lot of eggs three four weeks after we harvest yeah
everything is gone and you have too many bees for the resources

(47:14):
i see
so we collect pollen not only because we like it
but also because it manages the population
uh huh yeah
so this for me still is within the natural beekeeping
okay
yeah
that's interesting i did not know that
but that makes a lot of sense
i want i wanted to talk to you about this because again

(47:35):
i feel like we don't know enough about what naturally bees do all we know is they get honey
or they they get pollen they make honey
that's the extent of most people's understanding of bees we don't understand you know how they're creating more bees how what what's going on
we we know nothing about like how the queen kind of reacts to her i don't know her Hive or whatever environment yeah

(48:01):
so we're very disconnected and you suggest that we should go i guess go to you guys take a tour kind of get a little bit more understanding yes
so i would like to tell you what is our
mission okay so i have a clear vision you know
everyone has the mental basic plant on the terrorists i truly believe everyone can have a beehive on the terrace

(48:25):
oh no
i don't think
so
i'm designing a beehive with a chimney entrance
okay
which will allow the bees to fly away from us and basically
there is no contract and also the manipulation that you have on the bees like for example
extracting honey is done using some one way entrances that you can switch on and off

(48:48):
so that you literally don't have you don't touch the piece and if you want to see the piece you just take the foot panel out and you can see through the glass okay
so i'm not saying everyone has to do it and being provogative about it but i want to say that beekeeping is easier than we thought at the beginning and once you start you realize it's a complex art

(49:11):
but but at the beginning is very easy yeah
so our mission is really to educate and increase the awareness about the importance of honey bees yeah
so i feel bad when when kids see bees and they say you you know
when they are disgusted
yeah
oh i see that too yeah
it's more fear but then some of them are kind of grossed out by insects

(49:34):
i mean you have your preferences i don't discuss but generally you first should understand and now the problem
is that it coming from
it is coming from the parents yeah
they don't have understand no so yes
i take thank you for the invitation yeah
people should come to visit our apiary or any apiary i have a recommendation go to visit an apiary where the tour is at least one and a half two hours okay

(50:00):
because i've seen other apiary tours i've been where it's just 15 minutes just open behind look
take a picture bye bye by the honey now
our guest they get a good thirty minutes funny bees information we go through the farm and they ask millions of questions they wear the gear i explain why they wear and how they wear and we approach the bees

(50:27):
and then they have honey tasting
so it's a very complete tour
which i think helps the emerging of awareness consumer yeah
i think so too
and then we do another thing i personally do direct educational activities so last summer i published a book congratulations oh

(50:49):
this one i don't know the congratulations might be too much it's a coloring book okay
for for children okay
but is English
Chinese and has more than 30 dactical units so people can learn but now
i'm also preparing a book maybe the congratulation there would be nice about biomimicry so is the idea of which are the lessons that we can observe from

(51:15):
beehive or from beekeeping activities that can be applied to organizational behavior so
management business interesting
right yeah yeah
and i also want to say that there are a couple of organizations that are really farsighted for example
New York university in Shanghai they invited me for some guest lectures and we are discussing eventually course

(51:38):
potentially there so this will be very interesting for the education but in my opinion
you know i have a roadmap this year the roadmap was telling us we bring the people to the bees so they come to see the April
right
next year i want to bring bees to the people right
so i would like to have school adopting and i can tell you that there is already in Shanghai the Shanghai American school and actually

(52:06):
i want to say thank to Milan Ellen and Naomi we started this project together and i would like to reach companies they you know they have these huge compasses and factories this is perfect for the bee
it's not
i will tell you right now that a lot our factory is in zhangzhou

(52:29):
okay
it is near ningbo
no that's not true it's near厦门啊
厦门
okay and the reason that the factory is so clean and it is very clean oh
it's clean because there is no grass there is no insects there are no rats it is spotless in fact there is a small thing of grass everything else is stone and concrete

(53:00):
it make creates food
but animals have to travel across piping hot
concrete in order to get into the even to get in you know
they try very hard to keep it as sanitary as possible and i understand why they do it

(53:23):
in some ways it makes the consumer feel more comfortable because the consumers like they're going above and beyond what is necessary to create my food well
then it must be very clean
it must be very safe
i understand that i don't necessarily agree with it but i understand it

(53:43):
you're talking about usage also of chemical products i believe right some of them will have chemical products
but we just make coffee and tea okay
there's not a lot of still there's a couple right i think we dry free some things we you know there are some chemical processes
but overall it's coffee and tea there's only so much that you can do with it i don't want to convince you too much

(54:06):
but i want to make one point go for it
Shanghai is a vertical city yes
apparently shanghainess they don't enjoy too much their terraces terraces are the perfect habitat for bees why they offer a vantage point over resources a b will forage in a radius of three to five kilometers okay

(54:31):
so they don't really care what is on the balcony um they offer they all have corners
which are shelter from the sun and from the wind hmm they have no food traffic or low food traffic and still we
can have our unsung eras on the terrors working for us

(54:51):
and also that would be a very minimal interaction with the people
because they would just fly so i have a couple of companies that in fact are discussing the idea of installing the beehive on the terraces
that's great yeah
and i think this is this is the way to go
let's say then of course
i understand we're coming to situation where for example
you have a lot of children

(55:13):
so i wouldn't advise a kindergarten to have a beehive because children are courious right
but if we look at Europe Shardon de Lusembourg in Paris
you have public beehives right in the public art that's great and that's what i think in Johnson park also
we should do you know yes
a little fence area so Korea's people will not touch the bees because bees are

(55:38):
Legitarians herbivores right
they will never ever attack you if unless you go there and kick the beehive there's no point for them
but you don't know with little kids right
yeah exactly
that's why the fence yeah
the fence should be there
and also i want to tell you one thing earlier you were talking about your childhood memories we have to be careful because Iran bees there are always wasps and yellow jackets because they predate on them

(56:02):
okay
so sometimes we might get stung by a yellow jacket or a wasp
i think it's a bee exactly i see
and i you don't want to be stung by them no
it's not a pleasant yeah
um i actually wanted to ask you i know that a lot of people know about honey um i've recently bought a lot of honey from uh my vendor in yunnan

(56:23):
but they also asked me about if i was willing to buy Royal jelly hmm and Royal jelly
i've never tried before um i bought my first jar very recently hmm um
they told me to freeze it to keep it in the freezer hmm i don't know if that's that's preferable
but i've been eating it just like a tiny spoonful every day and they you know they say there are a bunch of benefits from it is that true what's what's going on with the Royal jelly stuff

(56:52):
my mom was giving me Royal Jelly the tip of the spoon when i was a child
i don't know if it's a good or bad example
it it is proven that has benefits okay
okay now i am not in a position to quantify the benefits i can talk more about for example
the malatine that is the venom inside the bees that is research that is offering anti inflammatory properties and potentially anti cancer properties but coming back to Royal Jelly so surely is not har

(57:25):
okay
i would not keep in the freezer at all i would because it's a as a living organism
i would keep it
in the fridge okay
by the way don't keep the honey in the fridge just Royal Jelly
okay
um but let's i would not use Royal Jelly too much because the way it is produced it is forcing it's kind of bees must farming okay

(57:48):
so the Royal Jelly is what they feed the Larva and the queen yeah
yeah and any larva so the point is that there is kind of a force production of Larvae and there is the extraction of the Royal jelly
okay okay
so but it's unlikely to be very ethically formed that correct but i think if still we can use a moderate point to this yeah

(58:10):
i think you know we do working with some local chefs
we do some food research and i think that aside from Royal jelly have you ever heard about bee bread
no
which is misleading as a name but that's the English name
so during winter time the bees they mix together honey pollen

(58:32):
okay
because that's what they eat pollen is protein and honey is carbs yeah
and then they put their enzymes to ferment these so the bee bread is like kimchi kafir yogurt like this fermented food so more buyer available and helping the god flora and blah blah blah
so of course

(58:53):
by the way this is just 10 years old researcher and so i wanted to do that but of course
i'm not gonna squeeze my bees out to have the enzymes right
so we i read some research and we try to replicate these with the lactobacillus okay
the one used for yogurt yeah
and so we have what is called beebred
is a fermented honey pollen

(59:15):
interest solution
it tastes it's very interesting because at the beginning is sweet as honey and pollen
and then the aftertaste is like a bit sour sour exactly sour as the yogurt right
so it's very interesting it was in the riscarton afternoon tea
interesting menu by the way
and it's generally beneficial for the body

(59:36):
yes because it's more bio available i see
because of the fermentation correct interesting and this is like a new thing or have people been eating this forever
and we just don't know about it
um
i would say that
as a mass consumption and also reaching the FMB industry is a relatively ten years old okay

(59:57):
discovery interesting i mean if you want to look on Amazon
they selling for crazy price really yeah
very crazy price
we also have it because i do for myself
because i like it and i do for some chefs that they they they like it as well
right i mean royal jelly is not cheap either right
like that stuff is pretty expensive like a small jar that i was i could buy three four five jars of regular honey yes

(01:00:22):
correct yeah because there is a lot of manual labor you literally have to go and take out the
larva hmm
which is by the way also how do you reproduce the Queens
hmm you take out egg by egg
it's called grafting it's very intense a manual job man
you probably have great eyes like oh
you need to yeah oh
i'm past that part okay

(01:00:43):
yeah
i can't imagine because i look in there and i understand that spotting a queen it's slightly bigger it's
it's a little bit easier but like tiny little that's impossible for me
i'm too old for that how do that's we do trick for our guests so
for example we mark the queen okay
so it's easier for the guests to spot okay

(01:01:05):
you know and it's interesting i mean it's not only for the guests there is a reason why the reason is that Queens
they live three to five years on the contrary of bees that usually are between six and eight
which so very different lifespan but we mark the queen and each year has a specific color yeah
so last year for example
was the red so last year we have all the red queen so we can identify how all the queen is right

(01:01:28):
yeah
interesting that's cool and do you find that that affects how the bees see the queen or no
the first five seconds they are so cute because the attendant
which are kind of the bees that are all around the queen all the time to feed and clean her yeah because
the queen bee doesn't do that by herself as a queen yeah

(01:01:52):
they're so cute because they try to kind of scratch it out yeah
but by the way
it's a water based marker as oh
yeah
and it stays but just i realized just today i was closing one of our April for winter i think one of our queen she was able to scratch out the market because i found her and it's the same because i recognized the color

(01:02:13):
but she didn't have the marker anymore that's okay
no that's interesting so you guys i mean it's nice to see that you have a real interaction with all of with all of the bees and you can kind of recognize them that's cool yeah
that's rare you know
i think a lot of city people now
hmm

(01:02:33):
have this idea of moving away from the city having their own farm
having their own maybe their own bees
having their own garden like i talk to a lot of my friends that are just sick of city life
and they're trying to slowly move away grow their own food so be slightly more self sufficient i think that's why all of the videos on YouTube are so successful right

(01:02:55):
whether it's homesteading and stuff like that it's it's becoming a wish that a lot more people are having and i think bees are a huge part of it look after i want to invite everyone like you
or your guest or your audience that has this wish to done weight uh huh
so
for example i ve been living in Shanghai since six years now only last year i started my rooftop vegetable garden and last year i said why did i wait so long yeah

(01:03:26):
so the same if you have the rooftop or if you have the chance to live in a garden
i have three or four persons that adopted beehives in Shanghai and i kind of mentor them i give them support and assistance when they need so when winter is coming for example
i go there and i help them preparing the bees so if you look if you read any of the books about homesteading and so on for example

(01:03:51):
i'm a huge fan of the chicken backyard bible okay
okay
because i mean exactly relating to what you just said right
so i'm reading this book and they always looking for the chart of what is the easiest animal to start with
right because of the chicken is
the bees is it interesting okay

(01:04:13):
the bees is really the first animal you should start beekeeping is slow and fast at the same time
its slow because it's seasonal so you follow the season and so what you learn in March April
you have to wait one year then to apply right
but it's fast because whatever you do the technique you apply i would say no more than a week

(01:04:35):
you see the result so the learning is fast right is very interesting
while with other animals that live longer you would need more more time to learn right a huge fan of goats
it's funny you say that
i said i had a huge thing on goats
too come on are they are
they're so nice yeah

(01:04:55):
they're incredible i was actually just talking to my friends about goats
because they are supposedly the ideal pack animal for when you go hunting right and you if you get a deer
it's you know a hundred pounds of meat that you have to pack out that's the most difficult part of hunting believe it or not it's just getting the meat out right

(01:05:18):
so goats they say
are better than horses because goats will keep and stay around you you are the alpha of the goats whereas a horse
if it gets spooked goes home
it just bolts and goes home it doesn't come to you it just goes straight home
and then you have to pack all of that meat out as opposed to the horse whereas goats will come and surround you

(01:05:43):
and try to you know create like a safe zone right
it's much better
yeah
i'm very attached to go by the way i know we want to talk about this but
you know that in Shanghai you have a lot of this kind of mini farming open for visits right
yeah and you might have
seen that a lot of them they have sheeps and chicken and goats and these so i have a friend that personally know happened to have this one farm like this where in minhunk

(01:06:13):
okay
not far from our apiary site so i went there and it was summer and i saw these sheeps and goats with a huge bale of wool
and i asked so it's time to sheer them right
oh we don't know how oh so around August
i was teaching a few shanghainese shepherds yeah to sheer their own goals and sheep

(01:06:40):
yeah it was a little bit surreal situation
that a foreigner in Shanghai was teaching them how to share goats their own goals yeah
but the animals were suffering with of course
but it's good that they got to learn right
i mean once they learn it
then they'll teach whoever else is gonna come next

(01:07:02):
the ability to get that information out to them will help whoever takes that job next
it's funny you say that Arthur
because that's exactly what i want to do with the urban bees Shanghai
i don't know how long i'm gonna be yeah in Shanghai and i would like to find i want to foster a community of beekeepers that can take over and then can you know disseminate colonies take care of them so

(01:07:27):
if after this podcast
some more person can contact yeah
that would be amazing right
that's the best that is once you
leave you hope that information gets continuously used and transferred and improved upon right
as the next person that takes over and keeps going ideally you know it's i don't know if you want to keep it a volunteer

(01:07:50):
community or eventually become an actual job right
thanks i would love this you know
i would you know what
so i'm coming from the ai ward so we use it business model which is called smsas so softer as a service right
so i invented this formula and i'm proposing now to some companies that is the bus okay b keeping us a service okay

(01:08:17):
so you just pay a fee you have tiers okay
you have three tiers and according what you're paying we provide you the beehive we take care of them we give you the honey when it's available and if you want
we can train your people to do the same and once in a while you can do tasting event rather than be keeping busy event all are your side that's what really the vision and you know if you have

(01:08:41):
that's not a bad idea ten fifteen twenty sides in Shanghai
i i live my aage of yeah
i don't think i don't think that's unreasonable i think that's very doable yeah
but you you i still need to find the one company to start yeah
because i was invited by the rotary club by the way thanks thanks tiana and i had the

(01:09:05):
chance to speak with few companies a couple of them they really tried that yeah
but then they started to ask the permission of their compound on their building
which of course
seems unlikely no
no one will take this even though is legal
I want to clarify this thing under ten colonies in Shanghai in China it is considered hobby uh huh

(01:09:27):
so the only obligation you have is don't bother anybody right
which of course
we know all right everybody can complain but if you have your own garden if you have your own roof no one can complain right
but i mean people even complain about small dogs these days
yeah Arthur you're correct yeah
i mean we are very in a very sensitive society right

(01:09:47):
yeah it would be much better if this was fewer people and a little bit more open land
i think would be much better on the other side if you put the beehive on your terrace
unless someone is going there no one will really realize because i'm not impact i mean a small dog is more visible yeah
correct all right
i mean i learned a lot today that was very incredible by the way

(01:10:11):
you were a great host because it was really like a super normal flow conversation, Arthur
Thank you very much i've been doing this a while i see that again how do they find you
Urban Bees what kind of social media do you guys have
we have wechat official account okay you can just type urban bees Shanghai

(01:10:32):
uh we also have a Weidian mini shop Urban Bees Shanghai okay
what do you guys sell in there
uh we sell the honey
uh huh and we sell some merch
next ha ha oh
do someone go get some merch
that's yeah
we have these we have ah and now it's Christmas we on request we are Gonna make two different Christmas gift box
mm hmm yeah
also to allow people to taste different kind of honeys because we have different kind of bees

(01:10:56):
different kind of honey
So urban bees Shanghai on Wechat official account weidian shop
and otherwise my name is Marco Sentinelli you can find me right like this on wechat
especially if you see a swarm of bees call me please
awesome i will put all of that in the description and i hope you guys go call Marco

(01:11:17):
I'm gonna go come check out the yes the bees all right
take care everyone bye bye sounds great
好吧，大家都好吗？
Marco和我来谈论城市蜜蜂
你今天好吗？
亚瑟感谢你邀请我来
我有点累了今天是个重要的日子哦
是的，你做了什么？
我们以一群充满活力的女童子军开始了一天
没有那么多，但他们很有活力，然后我不得不在冬天关门。
我们有三个养蜂场，其中一个为过冬准备蜜蜂。
所以只是一些维护要做
播客结束后说清楚，然后我回家，然后我开始做我真正的工作
这是漫长的一天
是啊，尤其是周五，这也很难。
是的，但是亚瑟看外面！
我是说窗户阳光太棒了
今天很美
我知道，嗯，那么告诉我你是如何开始研究蜜蜂的，以及你为什么决定在上海做这件事。
非常好的问题，第一个是更传统的答案，
所以我在德国和我的菜园玩得很开心，因为我还是个孩子。
我是意大利人，但那时我住在德国，
我们的果园根本没有水果，所以我问邻居
他们说是的当然
你在附近看到蜜蜂了吗？我们说没有
所以你了解德国
作为德国
做什么都要有执照
所以我拿了执照
我和一个有点种族歧视脾气暴躁的老养蜂人一起指导了六个月
他不想和我在一起我不想和他在一起很明显
但好吧，在那之后，我带了两个蜂箱。
我很幸运，因为蜂群很容易维护。
所以到了春天和夏天，树上有很多水果，邻居进来给我带东西。
因为他们说我们从未见过这么多的生产
我20年前就是这么开始的
然后我大约六年前搬到了上海，当然有很大的中断，对吧？
我是说你搬家了，我住在中山公园，所以不是很适合蜜蜂
但是一天晚上，我很无聊，我正在读一些关于当地中国蜜蜂的研究论文
底部有杭州两位教授的签名，我联系了他们的大学。
我说我想回来养蜂，你能帮我吗？
所以他们把我介绍给了先正达公司
它是世界上最大的杀虫剂公司
所以我想他们感到内疚，所以他们帮我找到了一个蜜蜂基地和养蜂场，对吗？
所以我联系了这家公司，这是一家合法的蔬菜种植公司。
还与中国航天局合作
好吧
他们让我这么做的
为种子被送往太空的植物授粉
好吧低轨道空间
听起来好像很有趣.
是呀
事实上我们是世界上唯一拥有太空的亲爱的好吧
太空蜂蜜？！
不是人们能想到的，不是那个空间，亲爱的。
你知道，因为有人问不，只是那些被送到上帝那里的植物的蜂蜜。
是的
所以是的，这就是我在这里开始的方式，但那只是为了我2023年的个人爱好。
然后我邀请了我足球队的一些朋友，他们带着孩子来了。
和他们的孩子和他们喜欢的孩子在学校聊天，学校找到了我。
然后我们把课程带来的那一刻，是的，为什么不呢？
它变成了一个更主流的活动。
例如，今年我们有机会拥有所有的国际学校cis
我想挑出una minog因为她是这方面的先驱
她是她很棒所以是的
因为我们的目标
我说我们是因为我们现在是一个团体了
当我们的开放日有客人来参观基地时
有人问我想成为养蜂人
但我没有花园或空间，所以他们加入了我们的志愿者小组
我基本上是在工作中培训他们，我不想说培训，实际上我分享了我的经验。
我们使用一些文献作为参考
但基本上这只是工作训练
对我来说，大人物的迷人之处在于它有很多戏剧性
这意味着例如在我们的养蜂人小组中
我们在访问前交换了一些简短的意见
但是当你去那里，靠近或者打开蜂巢
你永远不知道你能看到什么
有时会很棒，就像我不知道一个殖民地正在健康成长一样
你会发现很多过季的花粉
但有时可能是戏剧性的，就像一个殖民地可能会死亡，你做蜂窝尸检，这很可悲。
实际上我们两周前已经和养蜂人做了一个。
然后你会试着理解原因
原因可以是任何事情，包括养蜂人的错误
但它充满了戏剧性的惊喜
那为什么在上海？我觉得上海是一个非常城市化的城市。
有自然但自然不多
我在新泽西长大，我经常去中央公园，中央公园很自然。
上海没有那么多自然，上海非常具体，
所以在上海有蜜蜂，我很少看到，这让我很震惊
好吧
嗯，让我们谈谈微观部分和宏观部分
所以总体趋势是蜜蜂迁徙到城市
好吧
这些原因也与蜜蜂在世界各地消失的主要原因有关
现在忘记他们说的蜜蜂消失了，人类会死，这不是真的。
确实，我们吃的三分之二的水果和蔬菜依赖于蜜蜂。
蜜蜂是最有效的传粉方式之一
但是主食大米小麦玉米不依赖于它，所以…
他们迁移是因为我们做了大量的大规模农业
所以这意味着在一年中非常特定的时间有很多资源
如果你把一个城市看成一个悖论，它提供的资源更少，但全年都更连续。
尤其是现在让我们来看看上海，我想说上海是的，是一个混凝土丛林。
但如果你看
政府非常注意经常换花
我们可以从这些花中讨论它们来自
它们被种植了等等
我可以告诉你它们都来自温室
但这很好
它为蜜蜂提供了非常多样化和非常持续的资源
我相信在这个播客之后，你会做的
如果你环顾四周，你可以在上海经常看到蜜蜂
我觉得这很难相信，因为我在外面很多地方，我没有看到很多蜜蜂。
我以前看到的更多，我想我今年看到的比十年前少。
Arthur我不能回答你
因为我可以告诉你这些年的趋势，
在过去的十年里，世界上一半以上的殖民地已经消失或消失了。
所以全世界的蜜蜂都在消失。
我觉得就像10年前一样，你可以在树上看到蜜蜂，你可以在街上看到它们。
最近少多了！
我最后一次看到野蜂是3周前，我去了医院，我必须做治疗，我看到一只挣扎的蜜蜂。
但我所做的，实际上你的播客可以提供帮助，我做的是所谓的群体救援
好吧
所以我想先澄清一下
它是什么？然后为什么
群体救援听起来就是这样
所以有时会有成群的蜜蜂特别是在晚春时节
因为这是蚁群繁殖的方式
那时它们成群结队，
意思是老蜂后会带着原蜂群的一半蜜蜂飞走找新房子
为什么
这就是蜜蜂繁殖的方式
好吧是
我们总得把蜜蜂当成超个体
这意味着在一个非常复杂的社会中，更大的利益比个人更重要
是呀
那里有很多东西要学
但是我们也必须明白蜜蜂必须被视为…
整个蚁群必须被视为一种动物，这种机制会蜂拥而至
这是所有生物的繁殖方式
除了单蜂繁殖
所以让我明白，女王拿走了一半的殖民地，另一半会发生什么？
非常好的问题
蜂后被安置在蜂巢里，它的下颚会产生一种费洛蒙
这基本上是在告诉蜜蜂我在家，一切都很好。
她飞走的那一刻蜜蜂就会意识到
所以他们会做大自然让他们做的事情
我们将在不到四天的时间里取出大约四到五个非常年轻的蛋
然后重新编程让他们成长为女王
现在重新编程意味着虽然正常的蜜蜂将在21天内孵化
6天后，将从基于蜂王浆的饮食转变为蜂蜜和花粉的正常饮食
好吧
蜂王被喂养所有的幼虫，比正常蜜蜂短16天
在蜂王浆上
在蜂王浆上
蜂王浆是直接从蜜蜂身上取的。
从一些蜜蜂的蜜蜂头部区域
所以回来，所以它们蜂拥而至，那么它们繁殖的方式是什么？
所以今年发生在我身上，现在是4倍，人们叫我5倍
因为现在我在上海开始流行蜜蜂男了
所以他们进来说，"哦，我们有一群蜜蜂，例如在学校操场上"
这不是你想要的
没有权利
因为他们在那里留下了一个木箱，所以很明显是完美的栖息地。
完全权利
所以我去了那里，然后我带回了我们的养蜂场，因为在冬天，野生蜜蜂通常只能存活47%的情况
去年我们的养蜂场100%
哇耶
好好祝贺你
祝贺养蜂人的团队
但关键是我们在冬天喂养它们，我们隔离我们照顾的蜂巢
蜂群安置或者说蜂群救援很有意思，因为有两种方法
一个当你没有一个巨大的殖民地并且你很幸运的时候，我去那里，我给它们喷了一点水糖。
清洗和舔自己肯定
我在寻找女王
是呀
轻轻地，我拿起蜂后，放进蜂箱，然后所有其他蜜蜂都会去那里。
对吧
所以例如
今年早些时候我进行了一次群体救援，我有一个很酷的视频，花了我大约15分钟。
我刚刚拿走了女王，我把它移到那里了。
你必须想象太阳日出的时间，因为你在没有光的时候这样做，因为当有光的时候
蜜蜂在外面工作，所以我只是坐在那里，看着柱子进去。
然后我还有群体救援的另一个重量，基本上你有这么大的群体。
所以我在静安23楼m50前拯救了一个殖民地
这是一个巨大的殖民地，我试图通过主人的方式找到女王。
他说要么你把蜜蜂移走要么我杀了他们要么我叫消防员
他们会冲洗的
我试过相信我Arthur我试过去找女王
是呀
二十分钟后，我知道半个小时我放弃了，是的
所以我只是把蜜蜂舀进盒子里，然后剪掉框架。
对不起，我切了honeomb，我把它放回框架里，这样他们就会找到同样的结构。
那我还是等吧
幸运的是，蚁群幸存了下来，因为它是一个巨大的蚁群，是的，一周后回到养蜂场。
我也找到了女王，所以一切都很好。
那么有多大呢？就像你说的，这是一个非常大的殖民地…
从数字上看，这看起来像什么？
我们来玩猜谜游戏
你觉得怎么样
你觉得怎么样
蜜蜂数量相当大的群体
一百只蜜蜂好吧
如果我问你大黄蜂的事，那就对了。
好吧
可能甚至在50左右，颜色也更多，不是吗？
对于蜜蜂来说，它们要小得多
然后它取决于例如蜜蜂
中国蜜蜂只有意大利蜜蜂的三分之二大
但是回答你的问题啊一个好的群体是五万只蜜蜂
五万耶
这比我想象的要多得多
五万，但养蜂人他们不会一个接一个地数，是的
这只是他们测量的一个估计，是的。
他们根据
我们把它作为一个单元框架，所以在蜂巢里可以。
特别是商业蜂巢
我们使用langstroth蜂箱，这是全世界的标准
当然，在英国，他们使用不同的方式
所以我先在这个地方表现得非常种族主义
德国人现在对英国笑话的评论笑话
所以我们使用框架
框架是木制结构，我们最终甚至可以为他们提供一些蜡层底座。
帮助他们建立荣誉
但有时我们现在只是给空框架，为什么我们要使用框架？
因为有时候养蜂人需要做一些操作
例如，接近冬季2弱殖民地最好合并
有一个中等大小的群体可以越冬，对吧？
所以把蜜蜂放在框架上，很容易移动，很容易移动，是的
你可以合并殖民地，或者他们打架吗？
我觉得他们不会，他们不一定有，他们可能相处不好，我觉得还好。
你是对的，合并蜂群是一个过程，你通常不能只把蜜蜂放在另一个蜂群后面。
我们称之为我们使用一种利用报纸的技术
所以我们在旧蚁群和新蚁群之间放了一个框架，我们放了一张报纸。
这基本上允许蜜蜂咀嚼，给它们时间互相利用，好吗？
当我们进行所谓的再培训时，这更令人着迷。
所以想象一下这个场景
这是我的下一个问题
如果有两个殖民地，可能有两个皇后，那么他们可能肯定相处不好！
我了解女人oh
现在我们都做得很好，亚瑟，所以没关系，养蜂是数据驱动的决策，好吗？
这就是我定义它的方式，所以你收集了很多数据，然后你必须做出明智的决定，例如
冬天即将到来，一个小殖民地决定这是数据吗？决定可以吗？我要合并。
正如你所说，没有两个女王进入一个殖民地，从来没有
如果你把它们放在一起，几乎从来没有这样做过
皇后们会战斗，这意味着是的一个会幸存下来
但她也会受到你不想要的伤害，所以养蜂人的这个艰难决定
有些养蜂人会挤压一个蜂后，然后进行合并
其他一些会把蜂后放在另一个小蜂箱里，整个冬天都喂她。
即使她让我们说这个过程在冬天成功的机会对于一个孤独的女王来说是非常低的
但通常你必须做出决定，只有一个女王
当然还有
蚁后是不同的，蚁群是不同的，所以你可能会有你最喜欢的蚁后。
因为也许她生产的蜜蜂会制造更多的蜂蜜，或者他们的殖民地更温和
或者也许蚁后自己产卵的方式更整洁，所以它可以帮助你操纵
是呀
我知道听到其中一个必须离开真的很难过
是的，但是让我们谈谈蜜蜂的阴暗面，这很有趣，它们有很多阴暗面。
真的吗？因为对我来说，蜜蜂总是代表努力工作，对吗？
他们非常直接，他们只是努力工作，这就是你小时候学到的，对吧？
像蜜蜂一样工作
你每天都在工作，工作，工作
工作工作，你不认为他们有很多个性
但是当我和了解蜜蜂的人交谈时，发现蜜蜂有很多个性，每个群体都有自己的喜好
这不是我所期望的。
我只是有点期待他们更像机器人，他们只是工作，工作，工作
有很多方面，
但阴暗面来自你刚才描述的积极特征，所以我的意思是签证比人类更早出现在这里，是的
例如，即使在经典时代
我来自罗马，罗马人一直用蜜蜂来代表努力工作、忠诚和另一个有趣的方面。
天主教，基督教会在教堂里使用蜂蜡，因为蜂蜡只由处女蜜蜂产生。
它代表着光的纯洁
所以他们努力工作是真的
但他们是无情的，这就是我喜欢他们的原因。
好吧
所以他们是无情的，他们痴迷于紧密和干净，这就是我喜欢他们的原因，但让我们谈谈无情的一面，例如
女王不是统治者
好吧
女王是一台鸡蛋机器，嗯，所以当女王开始变老时
她不生产那么多，或者她不整洁，或者她根本不生产，
殖民地将决定新的女王
新女王耶
以及他们是如何杀死女王的
我不知道。
他们做蜂后球，所以他们用蜜蜂球包裹蜂后
蜜蜂会拍打翅膀，基本上会窒息并使蜂后过热
我见证了不止一次，我让它变冷了，因为这是自然，对吧？
我们来谈谈女王吧
女王本人非常无情
记得你问我关于新女王孵化的事吗
所以皇后区，他们有四到五个皇后区警察，就像皇后区的南方一样，好的。
你有两个案例，第一个案例是一个女王出现了，所以她要做的第一件事就是四处走动并杀死所有其他的蛹
当然
但是两个皇后同时出现就更糟了
皇后们会以养蜂人的身份战斗，你不会想要的，因为无论皇后能活下来，还是受伤了。
是啊受伤了
但是殖民地也会站在一边哦
在同一点上甚至可以结束战斗
所以，还有一件非常有趣的事情，例如，好的
让我们谈谈蜜蜂的性别你有一只雄性
女性大部分是女性
正确
是呀
是的，非常好，亚瑟，如果你是养蜂人
你希望你的蜂巢主要是工蜂
对吧
为什么？因为无人机让男孩们有一天不工作。
我理解他们什么也不做
是的，这是正确的，看起来像无人机的生活，我出生时有人在喂我，然后到时候
我出去约会，如果我幸运的话
我要去见女王
我可以正确地与女王会面
然后我就死了耶
但这不是一个糟糕的生活，这不是一个糟糕的生活，你在做你喜欢的事情时死去
但也到了例如
冬天快到了，蜂巢里有无人机。
所以我有无人机的数量大约是百分之五到十，这就是为什么你正确地
你说主要是工蜂，但到了冬天
工蜂，他们知道他们基本上是群体平衡的债务，对吧？
所以他们驱逐了他们，所以作为养蜂人，对我来说，像现在这样冷的时候来是很常见的。
你去了，你会在门前看到很多蜜蜂，是的
入口，如果你看到有雄性，你不会担心吗？
这很正常，对吧？
这很可悲，但我是说作为人类，大自然对我非常无情
我想我们都忘记了大自然是多么无情
嗯，我告诉我的一些朋友我想去打猎，呃
明年嗯在新泽西猎鹿是很自然的
因为第一你的狩猎执照支付了保护鹿的费用
第二，鹿无处不在，这是一个大问题，它吸引了黑熊。
这会导致一个更大的问题，这样就可以控制新泽西鹿的数量
他们一年最多发放六个标签，如果可以的话，你可以一年带走六只鹿。
嗯，很多人会说哇
打猎很卑鄙
冷酷无情
但是你更愿意让一只鹿被一只不断攻击这只鹿的狼杀死，然后她慢慢死去吗？
或者只是一支箭，会在30秒内杀死她，对吧？
我想很多人已经忘记了大自然是卑鄙的
有点无情，有很多痛苦，我们有点像把自己和你知道的分开了，当你越来越多地与自然互动时，你会发现，哦，实际上
它并不像你知道的那样好，大多数电影往往会让你相信是的
两者都不务实，是的，所以你知道。
所以这是个完美的例子
我认为这是为了扩展你刚才所说的
顺便说一句，我告诉了腿。
和你在一起我自己就是猎人
当我有年轻的学生来到养蜂场时，我很震惊，
首先，它们与自然有多远，有多脱节，所以
他们真的不明白你刚才说的话，其次，他们与食物有多脱节
百分之百
对吧
他们不明白食物背后的努力，食物来自哪里，我的意思是我们又回到了意大利面条来自树上。
那太可怕了，对。
嗯，我很幸运去年去了内蒙古，内蒙古是一个不同的地方，你知道的，是世界上不同的地方。
我们去了几个营地，你有这些瓶子牛奶，你可以喂山羊，当你喂山羊的时候
他们在告诉你哦
那个今晚要当晚餐哈
哈，你知道，在五点左右，他们就把它串起来剪了，我的朋友们当然很震惊。
他们就像哦，我的上帝，我们大约半小时前喂它，现在它被一条腿串起来了，但我们又一次忘记了我们的肉是从哪里来的。
我们忘记了我们的许多食物来自哪里，我们的许多人只看到牛排，他们甚至看不到整条腿。
是呀
这些都没有，他们只是看到一块肉和一块塑料，这总是让我震惊。
你明白吗这块肉来自动物
这比被遗忘要重要得多
是的，但我是说我必须诚实，我给我的狗起了名字。
但我从来没有给我的蜜蜂取过名字
当然因为他们是硬汉和鸽子
但我也从未将蜂后命名为有趣，是的
所以例如
我们有领养计划
所以组织可以采用蜂巢，对吧？
他们经常让我们说出名字
蜂王
我向他们解释你刚才说的话，你知道女王可能会死等等，只是为了让他们明白，因为给宠物命名是一个不同的步骤，主要是对的。
所以我想山羊不完全是，至少你没有正确地叫我的名字，我希望如此。
这有点神经病
是呀
因为你突然和它建立了联系，然后它就变成了另一种动物。
但这并不能阻止我难过
当女王
当我搞砸的时候
我没问题说即使是今年
经过这么长时间甚至今年
我想对于我做的一个殖民地来说，我犯了一个错误。
基本上我没有仔细检查他们不会封锁入口，是的。
所以我幸运地意识到
但几天后
所以很多蜜蜂都是因为这个东西
碰巧是人类
但我也照顾了很多其他人，所以再次回到蜜蜂，我认为我们有蜜蜂的主要互动真的是蜂蜜。
人类，对，我们大多数人都听说蜂蜜对你有好处。
蜂蜜是一种天然甜味剂，还有很多其他好处，我听说过很多关于蜂蜜的神话。
如果是真的，请告诉我。
我妈妈总是告诉我你应该吃当地的蜂蜜，如果你在新泽西，你应该吃蜂蜜。
你应该吃新泽西制造的蜂蜜，因为它也有助于对抗过敏，这是真的吗？
是的真的
这和顺势疗法药物的概念是一样的，所以首先
让我给观众一个免责声明好吗
我不是科学家
我本身不是研究员也不是昆虫学家
只是一个充满激情的
所以请仔细检查我的信息，没问题，但在这方面，我可以告诉你这是同一个概念，但这是一个非常重要的问题，因为这让我们可以谈论好蜂蜜和坏蜂蜜，是的
还有劣质蜂蜜
所以让我解释一下蜂蜜的好处，虽然说蜂蜜的百分之百成分仍然未知
我们不知道确切的百分之百
但有一部分给蜂蜜带来味道和很多好处的是花粉和蜂蜜中的所有小颗粒，好吗？
所以例如
通常是超级水晶韩国蜂蜜
这不是一个好兆头，为什么这可能是工业蜂蜜工业蜂蜜意味着没有分离，我会变得有点书呆子，你有鸡蛋和幼虫的水果盒之间没有分离
还有资源盒，你有蜂蜜、花蜜和宝拉，好的。
所以这意味着，这不是判断，这只是传统的中国养蜂，他们只有一个盒子，所以当谈到收获季节时
他们切割了他们放在一个大压力机里的所有东西，他们压力机，他们正在压力机x熔岩。
也b
一些b也是。
然后他们每次我看到他们都必须通过更薄的网格过滤三四五次
所以它是超滤的，是的。
所以它取出了花粉，取出了里面的一些好东西，然后回到你的问题，然后你只是在吃蔗糖和果糖，这就是我担心的是热的。
耶耶
哪个好
但它是蔗糖和果糖，没有好东西，是的
如果你吃本地菜
但当地的意思是半径30公里
有一些研究，我想说，我们通常可以说，在过敏季节前吃30公里的微剂量当地蜂蜜将有助于你有更温和的过敏症状，有趣的是
但你也可以
吃花粉本身
噢
是呀
哪个
但这取决于你对什么过敏，对吧？
是的，但与例如有不同的反应
你吸入的花粉和你吃的花粉会再吃一次，如果你对花粉过敏，花粉没问题。
我没有尝试正确
但是就有一个正确的过敏方案的想法而言，你可以直接去花粉，或者像我们一样，你有蜂蜜的扩散，然后在上面撒一些花粉。
那很酷。
但是回来还有一件事，比如我们的蜂蜜。
就是我们所说的未经过滤
所以这意味着我们只过滤一次，只是为了取出蜡，因为我们只从资源库中取出蜡，是的
所以框架的那一部分，所以我们不需要，事实上我们的蜂蜜一点也不透明。
我看到了，它有一点云。
没错，但我认为这就是它美味的原因。
我是说，这就是我对我们大多数食物的感觉，只是它变得如此过滤，变得如此精致，以至于你又一次错过了真正食物的很多好处
让我们回到我身边，就像我的朋友们一样，他们吃的东西非常喜欢加工过的，或者非常喜欢非常干净的奶牛，让我们说气氛，我宁愿有一只野生动物，就像在
几乎任何意义上，我都想让这种动物一生都吃它想吃的东西，然后对肉有更强烈的味道
然而和一头奶牛
它一生都在吃玉米，对我来说几乎是一维的，我就像哦
味道像这样味道不错
但它只是没有层次。
是啊但我也想告诉你
亚瑟，在我们的任务中，亲爱的只是一个诱饵，好吗？
有趣
他们在这里的意思是，嗯人们呃经常联系我，让我拥有当地的有机蜂蜜和未来的嗯生蜂蜜
我们叫它生蜂蜜
这是一个非常好的主意，这是邀请他们来我们养蜂场的机会，好吗？
进行我们的参观，更好地了解作品，然后变得活跃，而不仅仅是消费者
如果你从当地养蜂人那里买蜂蜜，那就是你能做的最好的事情了，好吗？
但是我邀请你去拜访你的养蜂人，因为这样你就可以像你说的那样，找到并创造与你的食物的联系和链接，尤其是在肉方面，我们完全失去了。
迷路了是的
更不用说价格了，我真的不明白一个鸡胸肉怎么要四块钱，顺便说一下，半公斤蜂蜜要二十九块钱。
非常有趣的中国，我不是在评判。
我只是在告诉数据
关于蜂蜜的立法是以下是一级食品生产
这意味着你不需要任何特殊的许可证来生产和销售，好吗？
因为你刚买了两个
但这意味着你可以贴上蜂蜜标签，即使它不是百分之百的蜂蜜，嗯，我邀请你做一件事，你去家庭超市或乐天超市，你买酸奶，里面有蜂蜜袋，哦
是呀
我见过那个亲爱的
那不是真的蜂蜜一半
它不可能在冰箱里结晶，那是蜂蜜吗？是的。
可以，有可能，是的。
但他的标签有蜂蜜，是的
所以是的，这在欧洲和我们是不同的，我是说我来自意大利，我们对食物很严格，你是专业的，是的。
想象一下，即使它是99%的蜂蜜
我们卖蜂巢坚果或蜂蜡
好吧
你不能给你必须找到的蜂蜜贴上标签，比如
它叫做melle yeah
意大利语中的蜂蜜，但那东西叫melito，所以听起来像，但不是，我觉得很有趣。
我是说我宁愿要那个，我宁愿要一个蜂蜜，你知道的。
它是百分之百的，或者没有过滤，没有经过很多处理，这就是为什么你的城市蜜蜂对我来说如此有趣。
因为你
真的从一个
一个非常原始的来源，而不是谁知道添加了什么，嗯，我想我们在吃什么，我现在正在工作。
我在一家食品公司工作，很多甚至咖啡不再只是咖啡，而是咖啡加上天然调味品。
哦，就像香草椰子不
但他们把它贴上咖啡的标签，是的。
但是他们会加一点额外的调味品这样味道会更好
给它一个蛋糕是的
上面没有标签，你不知道，但这就是现在正在发生的事情。
因为对好咖啡的需求如此之高，大多数人分辨不出好咖啡，但他们真的很想喝一种明显的葡萄柚味的咖啡。
然后我会放一点调味料进去
味道哇
它尝起来像葡萄柚，这是从哪里来的？它只是人造调味品，但是太少了，他们不必正确标记它。
这让我很困扰，就像法律上一样
没有合法的，你不必给它贴上标签。
但我不知道你怎么想Arthur
但我认为中国的消费者正在朝着同一个方向前进，也许我的意思是他们必须是的是的
我很高兴他们注意诚实，好吗？
我们的主要目标不是卖蜂蜜
顺便说一句，我们的主要目标是我们是一个志愿者团体，所以销售
蜂蜜只是支持我们运营的手段，真的不是我们的工作，但我有很多当地的山汉客户。
所以他们总是先联系我，因为你有当地的鲁哈尼吗？这就是原因，但我想告诉你一个非常有趣的案例。
额
我想说出一个组织的名字
好吧呃
我很感激卢贾德的里兹纸箱在路上。
好吧
就在这儿就在这儿
是的，就在这里。
嗯，顺便说一句，播客的景象很棒，嗯
特别是戴尔，通用汽车和阿尼玛吉
主厨，因为嗯，在短短四周内，他们联系了我，我们见面了，我告诉了他们我们的故事和我们的使命，那就是蜜蜂教育，他们和主厨团队一起来到养蜂场，所以三位厨师
营销团队很喜欢，每个人都在那里，我们参观了一下，他们拍了视频。
照片和两周后，我们开始用蜂蜜产品喝下午茶，还有一些不常见的产品，如花粉或肉，是的，然后当然
这给了我们需要的可见性，人们会明白这种蜂蜜离你吃的地方只有几公里，你知道我认为我提到它们很重要。
对不起，不，它们太不可思议了，很久以前我第一次来上海的时候，我们有一家餐馆。
在面包上，我们尽可能多地在当地采购，我们还做了蜜蜂，不幸的是，我们做了蜜蜂幼虫，哦
我知道你知道蜜蜂幼虫
然后我们会把它们烤了，我想是的。
然后它们会在我们的一个盘子里
这太棒了。
哦，我完全赞成昆虫进食，是的，是的
很好吃，很多人都有点吓坏了，因为有些幼虫会有一个翅膀伸出来，只是我会很高兴你的供应商。
但那是另一回事了
但它很美味，我确实认为很多餐馆也在朝着这个方向发展，是的
对对
是呀是呀
Alz餐厅是另一个是的
他们很棒
如果你去那里，他们会很棒。
他们有圣代，被称为城市蜜蜂，周日城市蜜蜂和我们的花粉和蜂蜜，我是说格蕾丝在这个意义上很棒，是的。
但是是的，我想问你一个问题。
去争取
你和蜜蜂有什么私人关系
就像你从来没有去过蜜蜂身边一样
永不
为什么
当我还是个孩子的时候
我们以前有很多蜜蜂
我祖母的房子有一棵巨大的开花树，每年春天都会有一吨蜜蜂围绕着它，我们害怕蜜蜂，因为我们还是孩子
只是我们会假设我们会被蛰，好吗？
但后来慢慢地
我们知道我们可以用手抓住它们，然后没事
最终
我们不再害怕他们了但是当时
有一棵大树，我们
我们害怕春天的蜜蜂，然后最终
你意识到他们不会蛰你，他们不会给你买什么大不了的东西，我们已经习惯了。
但我也搬到了蜜蜂不多的城市，所以我从来没有和蜜蜂有过非常亲密的互动，我想它们不是真的，你知道，我想这对我来说是一件事。
我们有很多客人基本上
他们也有类似的故事，他们来到我们的四月
走出他们的舒适区，对吧？
所以我也很害怕，对吧？
因为他们害怕
但我很感激人们走出他们的舒适区，我是说有些人会像柔道一样做。
是啊没错
例如但是嗯所以但是那些客人观察起来很有趣，因为在开始的时候当我们接近b区的时候
他们应该呆在十英尺远的地方
对吧
然后慢慢地，当你看到我们的蜜蜂实际上非常温柔时，是的，最后他们结束了旅行，拍了一张照片
这场战斗拿着一帧蜜蜂，上面可能有五万只蜜蜂，是的
所以那时我知道他们改变了心态，是的
这太不可思议了，很高兴看到人们，我想试着迈出额外的一步，是的。
你知道，因为我也有朋友可能会去，他们哪儿也不去。
就像他们会在玻璃状后面看一样，我只能走这么远。
但是你仍然可以有所作为，你再次购买当地蜂蜜，不一定是从我们这里购买，只是当地蜂蜜，因为他也在帮助养蜂人，你知道。
养蜂人的平均年龄令人难以置信，我想在美国是63岁哦
哎呀，类似的地方还有一块土地叫做养蜂人的年龄，这意味着你有40到50个英俊的男人，这就是我开始养蜂的原因，所以现在每个人都可以这么叫我，不
但是撇开笑话不谈，你帮助养蜂人，养蜂人正在帮助环境，我们是生态系统的无形贡献者，就像我们所做的工作一样，没有人注意到，是的，但是每个人都会从中受益，是的
当然是的
嗯，所以我再次说过，之前我在一家食品公司工作，我们的一个项目是和尚水果，我不知道你是否知道和尚水果，是的。
是的，所以和尚水果是出了名的难以授粉。
现在实际上在中国主要是手动完成的
手动
我问过这个问题，我想嗯，我们如何制作更多的和尚水果或制作它们？
我猜更快，这非常困难，因为科学家告诉我，过去给僧侣授粉的昆虫，我们不知道它们在哪里。
但是它们不见了，所以现在都是手动完成的，现在是一年中手动完成的非常困难的时候。
因为它通常在7月或6月，所以非常热，都是手动完成的，没有多少人愿意这样做，所以我想和尚水果产量很低，因为它非常慢，而且只做了一次。
它变得越来越贵了
它变得越来越贵了
但是你知道我不知道和尚食物的具体情况，但是现在
养蜂服务，所以多项式服务实际上是
商业养蜂人的主要收入来源
这就是我没有拒绝的，嗯，不适合我们，我们不做授粉服务，我们不做游牧。
没有游牧养蜂，所以我们的蜜蜂总是在我们的基地，嗯，但是现在这项工作是由低薪完成的，这是很常见的。
全国各地受教育不足的工人为什么
因为告诉人们这样做比学习养蜂更容易，因为养蜂和表现好是有很大区别的，因为你知道蜜蜂是
当然是野生动物，我们的主要工作实际上是把它们留在那里，我开玩笑的，但这是真的，就像许多工业养蜂人一样，他们不在乎冬天，也许是十月。
他们收获蜂蜜，摧毁蜂群，然后在三月份，他们会买新的五分之一，从头开始，他们不在乎冬天养活他们的时间和钱，相反，我们在乎。
所以告诉我更多关于我想我们之前谈论的事情。
因为你会提到有道德养蜂和不道德养蜂，我知道工业养蜂和你之前说的不太道德。
那么有什么区别呢？
蜂蜜中的产品实际上有区别
让我们从数据开始
我不知道确切的数量，但是市场上的蜂蜜是官方生产的蜂蜜的五到七倍，所以这已经告诉我们一些事情，是的，是的
我是说我在说我理解的世界上的一般情况
对产品有需求，有两种方法可以增加产量，一种是进行非声波养蜂
你可以用糖溶液喂你的蜜蜂白色品牌相关的糖比蜂蜜便宜
百分之百正确，所以你喂它们，你有专业人士和糖。
你收获很大
你可以做我们之前说过的不道德的事情
所以你在赛季结束时剪掉了所有的框架，这是我们所做的收获的十倍。
这就是为什么我们的蜂蜜实际上很贵，这是一种方式，另一种方式是你用其他东西切割产品，对吗？
耶耶
这更常见
但是道德养蜂我们所做的
这是自然养蜂的一部分，所以自然养蜂是一种养蜂技术，不会对蜜蜂施加太多的操纵，例如
明确的例子
我们不会剪掉蜂王的翅膀，所以当四月到来时
我们只依靠我们的技术让蜜蜂留在那里
让蚁后留在那里，如果她不这样做，如果她真的想带走一半的蜜蜂
她会做的，只是会做的
是的，没错。
但如果你抓住她的翅膀
她不会蜂拥而至
她不能是的
她不能，所以你知道可能
我看到很多工业养蜂人都是这么做的。
但这是一个很小的影响，因为在我看来剪贴画蜂后不是一件大事，好吗？
但是有更多有争议的做法会增加产量，或者欺骗蜜蜂，是的，在另一边作为养蜂人。
你也有一些责任，例如
为什么我们要收获花粉花粉是蜂王侧身的导火索
人口数量更多花粉更多x好的
因为我们生活在单一种植的地区，如果你在上海四处走走，三月份会有很多油菜籽植物。
好吧
是呀
所以蜜蜂们会想哦，上帝，我在天堂耶
所以蚁后看到所有这些花粉进来，在我们收获后三四周，她产了很多蛋，是的
一切都消失了，你有太多的蜜蜂来获取资源
我懂了。
所以我们收集花粉不仅仅是因为我们喜欢它。
还因为它管理着人口
嗯哼耶
所以对我来说，这仍然是自然养蜂的一部分。
好吧
是呀
这很有趣，我不知道。
但这很有道理
我想我想和你谈谈这个，因为再一次
我觉得我们对蜜蜂的自然行为了解不够，我们只知道它们得到蜂蜜。
或者他们得到花粉，他们制造蜂蜜。
这是大多数人对蜜蜂的了解程度，我们不明白，你知道他们是如何创造更多的蜜蜂的，发生了什么事？
我们对女王对她的反应一无所知，我不知道她的蜂巢或任何环境，是的。
所以我们非常脱节，你建议我们应该去，我想去你们那里参观一下，得到更多的理解，是的。
所以我想告诉你什么是我们的
任务没问题，所以我有一个清晰的愿景，你知道。
每个人都有恐怖分子的精神基础植物，我真的相信每个人都可以在露台上有一个蜂巢。
噢不
我不觉得
所以
我在设计一个有烟囱入口的蜂巢
好吧
这将允许蜜蜂从我们身边飞走，基本上
没有合同，也没有你对蜜蜂的操纵，比如
提取蜂蜜是使用一些单向入口完成的，您可以打开和关闭
所以你真的没有，你不要碰这块，如果你想看这块，你只要把脚板拿出来，你就可以透过玻璃看到，好吗？
所以我并不是说每个人都必须这样做并对此进行宣传，但我想说养蜂比我们一开始想象的要容易，一旦你开始，你就会意识到这是一门复杂的艺术。
但是一开始很容易，是的。
所以我们的任务是教育和提高对蜜蜂重要性的认识
所以当孩子们看到蜜蜂并说你你知道时，我感到很难过
当他们感到厌恶时
是呀
哦，我也看到了，是的。
更多的是恐惧，但是有些昆虫让它们感到恶心。
我的意思是你有你的偏好，我不讨论，但一般来说，你首先应该理解，现在是问题所在。
它是从哪里发货的？
它来自父母，是的
他们不明白不，所以是的。
我接受了，谢谢你的邀请，是的。
人们应该来参观我们的养蜂场或任何养蜂场，我建议去参观参观至少一个半两个小时的养蜂场，好吗？
因为我看过其他养蜂场之旅，我去过的地方只有15分钟，只是在后面看。
现在在蜂蜜旁拍照拜拜
我们的客人，他们得到了一个很好的30分钟有趣的蜜蜂信息，我们穿过农场，他们问了数百万个问题，他们穿着装备，我解释他们为什么穿和如何穿，我们接近蜜蜂
然后他们有蜂蜜品尝
所以这是一次非常完整的旅行
我认为这有助于意识消费者的出现
我也这么想。
然后我们做另一件事，我个人做直接的教育活动，所以去年夏天我出版了一本书，祝贺你哦
这个我不知道祝贺可能太多了，这是一本彩色书，好吧。
为了孩子，好的。
但是是英语吗？
中文，有30多个战术单位，所以人们可以学习，但是现在
我也在准备一本书，也许那里的祝贺会很好地关于仿生学，所以我们可以从中观察到教训。
蜂巢或养蜂活动，可以应用于组织行为，所以
管理业务有趣
对吧是啊是
我还想说，有几个组织真的很有远见，比如
上海的纽约大学他们邀请我去做一些客座讲座，我们正在讨论最终的课程
有可能，所以这对教育来说将非常有趣，但在我看来
你知道我今年有一个路线图，路线图告诉我们我们把人们带到蜜蜂那里，所以他们来看四月。
对吧
明年我想把蜜蜂带给人们
所以我想让学校收养，我可以告诉你，上海已经有上海美国学校了，实际上
我想感谢米兰艾伦和娜奥米，我们一起开始了这个项目，我想联系他们的公司，你知道他们有这些巨大的指南针和工厂，这对蜜蜂来说是完美的。
它不是
我现在就告诉你，我们的很多工厂都在漳州。
好吧
在宁波附近
不对，离厦门很近啊
好吧，工厂这么干净的原因是非常干净哦
它很干净，因为没有草，没有昆虫，没有老鼠，它一尘不染，事实上有一小块草，其他的都是石头和混凝土。
它制造食物
但是动物必须穿越滚烫的管道
混凝土为了进入甚至进入你知道
他们非常努力地保持它尽可能卫生，我理解他们为什么这样做。
在某些方面，这让消费者感觉更舒服，因为消费者喜欢他们超越了创造我的食物所必需的。
那肯定很干净
一定很安全
我明白我不一定同意但我明白
你也在谈论化学产品的使用，我相信他们中的一些人会有化学产品。
但我们只做咖啡和茶就可以了
没有太多，还有几个，对吧？我想我们干洗了一些东西，你知道有一些化学过程。
但总的来说，这是咖啡和茶，你能做的只有这么多，我不想说服你太多。
但我想强调一点
上海是个垂直城市是的
很明显，上海人不太喜欢他们的梯田梯田是蜜蜂的完美栖息地，为什么它们提供了资源的有利位置，b会在半径3到5公里的地方觅食，好吗？
所以他们并不真正关心阳台上有什么，嗯，他们提供的都有角落。
它们是遮天蔽日和风的避难所，嗯，它们没有食物运输或低食物运输，但我们仍然
可以让我们在恐怖中的无名时代为我们工作
这也将是与人们的最小互动
因为它们会飞起来，所以我有几家公司实际上正在讨论在露台上安装蜂箱的想法。
那太好了是啊
我认为这就是要走的路。
这么说吧当然
我知道我们会遇到例如
你有很多孩子
所以我不会建议幼儿园有蜂巢，因为孩子们很可爱，对吧？
但如果我们看看欧洲巴黎的夏尔登·德·卢桑堡
公共艺术中有公共蜂箱，这很好，我也是这么认为的，在约翰逊公园。
我们应该做你知道是的
一个小栅栏区，这样韩国人就不会碰蜜蜂了，因为蜜蜂是
合法的食草动物，对吧？
他们永远不会攻击你，除非你去那里踢蜂窝，否则他们没有意义。
但是你不知道小孩子，对吧？
是啊没错
这就是为什么栅栏是的
栅栏应该在那里
另外，我想告诉你一件事，你之前谈到了你的童年记忆，我们必须小心，因为伊朗蜜蜂总是有黄蜂和黄色夹克，因为它们比它们早。
好吧
所以有时我们可能会被黄色夹克或黄蜂蛰
我想这是一只蜜蜂，我看到了。
如果你不想被他们蛰到，不
这不是一个愉快的是
嗯，我其实想问你，我知道很多人都知道蜂蜜，嗯，我最近从云南的供应商那里买了很多蜂蜜。
但他们也问我是否愿意买蜂王浆，嗯，还有蜂王浆。
我以前从未尝试过，嗯，我最近买了我的第一个罐子，嗯，嗯
他们让我冷冻它以将其保存在冰箱中，嗯，我不知道这是否更可取。
但是我每天都吃一小勺，他们说蜂王浆有很多好处，这是真的吗？蜂王浆的东西是怎么回事？
当我还是个孩子的时候，我妈妈给了我勺子尖的蜂王浆
我不知道这是个好例子还是坏例子
它被证明有好处，好吗？
好吧，现在我无法量化我可以更多地谈论的好处，例如
马来酸是蜜蜂体内的毒液，这项研究提供了抗炎特性和潜在的抗癌特性，但回到蜂王浆上来，所以肯定不是哈尔
好吧
我根本不会把它放在冰箱里，我会的，因为它是一个活的有机体。
我会留着它
在冰箱里好吧
顺便说一下，不要把蜂蜜放在冰箱里，只要蜂王浆。
好吧
嗯，但是我不会用太多蜂王浆，因为它的生产方式迫使蜜蜂必须耕种，好吗？
所以蜂王浆就是它们喂养幼虫和蚁后的东西
是的，任何幼虫，所以重点是有一种幼虫的强制生产，还有蜂王浆的提取
好吧好吧
所以，但这不太可能是非常合乎道德的，但我认为如果我们仍然可以使用一个温和的观点来解决这个问题，是的。
我想你知道我们确实和一些当地厨师合作过
我们做了一些食物研究，我想除了蜂王浆，你听说过蜜蜂面包吗？
不
这是一个误导性的名字，但那是英文名字。
所以在冬天，蜜蜂把蜂蜜花粉混合在一起
好吧
因为那是他们吃的花粉是蛋白质，蜂蜜是碳水化合物，是的
然后他们用酶发酵这些，所以蜜蜂面包就像泡菜开菲尔酸奶一样，就像这种发酵食品一样，所以有更多的买家可以买到，帮助上帝植物等等。
所以当然
顺便说一句，这只是10岁的研究人员，所以我想这么做，但当然
我不会为了让酵素发挥作用而把蜜蜂挤出来
所以我们读了一些研究，我们试着用乳酸菌复制这些，好吗？
酸奶用的那个是的
所以我们有了所谓的养蜂
是一种发酵的蜂蜜花粉
利息解
它尝起来很有趣，因为一开始像蜂蜜和花粉一样甜。
然后余味就像有点酸，和酸奶一样酸，对吧？
所以很有趣是在riscarton下午茶
顺便说一句，有趣的菜单
这通常对身体有益
是的，因为它更容易获得生物，我明白了。
因为发酵正确有趣，这就像一个新事物，或者人们一直在吃这个吗？
我们只是不知道而已
嗯
我会这么说
作为一个大众消费，也达到FMB行业是一个相对十年的好吗？
发现有趣，我的意思是如果你想在亚马逊上看看
他们以疯狂的价格出售，真的吗？
非常疯狂的价格
我们也有，因为我是为自己做的。
因为我喜欢它，我为一些厨师做的，他们也喜欢它。
对，我是说蜂王浆也不便宜，对吧？
就像那样的东西很贵，就像我买的一个小罐子一样，我可以买三、四、五罐普通蜂蜜，是的。
正确，是的，因为有很多体力劳动，你真的必须去拿出来
幼虫
顺便说一下，你如何重现皇后区？
嗯你一个鸡蛋一个鸡蛋拿出来
这叫嫁接，这是一项非常激烈的体力工作，伙计。
你可能有一双很棒的眼睛，就像哦
你需要耶哦
我已经过了那部分了，好吗？
是呀
我无法想象，因为我看了看那里，我明白看到女王会稍微大一点
这有点容易，但对我来说是不可能的。
我太老了，不适合这样做，我们为客人做恶作剧，所以
例如，我们标记女王好的
这样客人更容易发现
你知道，这很有趣，我的意思是，这不仅仅是为了客人，原因是皇后区
它们能活3到5年而蜜蜂通常能活6到8年
它们的寿命非常不同，但我们标记女王，每年都有特定的颜色，是的
例如去年
是红色的吗？所以去年我们有所有的红色皇后，这样我们就可以确定所有的皇后是如何正确的。
是呀
有趣的是，这很酷，你发现这会影响蜜蜂看到蜂后的方式吗？
前五秒他们太可爱了，因为服务员
这种蜜蜂一直在女王周围喂养和清洁她，是的，因为
蜂王作为蜂王不会自己做这件事
他们太可爱了，因为他们试图把它刮掉，是的
但顺便说一句
这是一个水性标记，哦
是呀
它会留下来，但就在今天，我意识到我要关闭我们四月的一个冬季，我想我们的一个女王，她能够划掉市场，因为我找到了她，这是一样的，因为我认出了颜色。
但她已经没有记号笔了，没关系。
不，这很有趣，所以你们，我的意思是很高兴看到你们和所有的蜜蜂都有真正的互动，你可以认出它们，这很酷，是的。
那很少见你知道的
我想现在很多城市人
嗯···
有离开城市拥有自己农场的想法
有他们自己的蜜蜂
有自己的花园，就像我和很多厌倦城市生活的朋友交谈一样
他们正试图慢慢离开，种植自己的食物，这样就能稍微自给自足一点，我想这就是为什么YouTube上的所有视频都如此成功，对吧？
无论是宅基地之类的东西，它都正在成为越来越多人的愿望，我认为蜜蜂是其中很大的一部分，照顾好我想邀请像你这样的每个人。
或者你的客人，或者你的观众，他们有这个愿望要减肥，啊哈
所以
例如，我已经在上海住了六年了，就在去年，我开始了我的屋顶菜园，去年我说为什么我要等这么久，是的。
所以如果你有屋顶或者如果你有机会住在花园里也一样
我有三四个人在上海收养了蜂箱，我有点指导他们，当他们需要时，我会给他们支持和帮助，例如冬天来了。
我去那里，我帮助他们准备蜜蜂，所以如果你看，如果你读过任何关于宅基地等的书
我是鸡后院圣经的超级粉丝
好吧
因为我的意思与你刚才说的完全相关，对吗？
所以我正在读这本书，他们总是在寻找最容易开始的动物的图表
对，因为鸡肉是
蜜蜂很有趣吗？
蜜蜂真的是你应该开始养蜂的第一种动物，同时又慢又快
它很慢，因为它是季节性的，所以你跟随季节，所以你在三月四月学到了什么
你必须等一年才能申请，对吗？
但它很快，因为无论你做什么，你应用的技术，我都会说不超过一周。
你看到结果了，所以学习很快，对吧，非常有趣。
而对于其他活得更久的动物，你需要更多的时间来学习对山羊的巨大粉丝
你这么说真有趣
我说我特别喜欢山羊
太好了，拜托，他们是吗？
它们太好了，是的。
它们太不可思议了，我只是在和我的朋友谈论山羊。
因为它们被认为是理想的背包动物，当你去打猎的时候，如果你有一只鹿
你知道，你必须打包一百磅的肉，这是狩猎中最困难的部分，信不信由你，只是把肉拿出来。
所以他们说山羊
比马更好，因为山羊会留在你身边，你是山羊的阿尔法，而马
如果它受到惊吓就回家
它只是跑回家，它不会来找你，它只是直接回家。
然后你必须把所有的肉都打包出来，而不是马，而山羊会过来包围你
试着创造一个安全区，对吧？
这样好多了
是呀
顺便说一句，我很想去，我知道我们想谈谈这个，但是
你知道在上海有很多这种小型农场开放参观，对吧？
是的，你可能有
看到很多人，他们有绵羊、鸡和山羊，所以我有一个朋友，他个人知道在minhunk碰巧有一个这样的农场
好吧
离我们的养蜂场不远，所以我去了那里，那是夏天，我看到这些绵羊和山羊带着一大包羊毛。
我问了，所以是时候让他们明白了。
哦，我们不知道如何，哦，所以在八月左右
我在教几个上海牧羊人，是的，去引导他们自己的目标和羊
是的，这有点超现实。
一个外国人在上海教他们如何分享山羊，他们自己的目标是
但是动物们当然遭受着
但他们能正确地学习是件好事
我是说一旦他们学会了
然后他们会教下一个要来的人
将这些信息传递给他们的能力将有助于下一个接受这份工作的人
你说亚瑟
因为这正是我想和上海城市蜜蜂一起做的
我不知道我要在上海呆多久，我想找到一个养蜂人社区，他们可以接管，然后你能知道传播殖民地照顾他们吗？
如果在这个播客之后
更多的人可以联系是的
那太棒了，对吧？
这是最好的，一旦你
让您希望信息得到持续使用、转移和改进
作为下一个接管并继续前进的人，理想情况下，你知道，我不知道你是否想让它成为志愿者。
社区或最终成为实际工作的权利
谢谢，我很喜欢这个，你知道的。
我希望你知道什么
所以我来自人工智能病房，所以我们使用它的商业模式，称为smsas，作为服务更软，对吧？
所以我发明了这个公式，我现在向一些公司提议，这是公共汽车，让我们保持服务，好吗？
所以你只需支付费用，你有层次，好吗？
你有三层，根据你支付的费用，我们为你提供蜂箱，我们照顾它们，如果有蜂蜜，如果你愿意，我们会给你蜂蜜。
我们可以训练你的员工做同样的事情，偶尔你可以做品尝活动，而不是保持忙碌的活动，所有的事情都在你身边，这才是真正的愿景，你知道你是否有
这主意不错，在上海十五二十面
我过着我的生活
我不认为我不认为这是不合理的，我认为这是非常可行的，是的。
但你你我还是需要找到一家公司开始
因为我被扶轮社邀请了，顺便说一句，谢谢你，蒂安娜，我有
有机会与几家公司交谈，其中一些公司真的尝试过，是的
但是后来他们开始在他们的建筑上征求他们大院的许可
这当然
似乎不太可能没有
即使是合法的，也没有人会拿走这个。
我想澄清一下这个东西在中国上海的十个殖民地下它被认为是爱好嗯哼
所以你唯一的义务就是不要打扰任何人，对吗？
这当然
我们知道，好吧，每个人都可以抱怨，但是如果你有自己的花园，如果你有自己的屋顶，没有人可以抱怨，对吧？
但我是说现在人们甚至抱怨小狗。
是的，亚瑟，你是对的，是的
我是说我们处在一个非常敏感的社会，对吧？
是的，如果这里的人更少，土地更开阔一点，那就更好了。
我想如果你把蜂箱放在露台上，另一边会更好。
除非有人去那里，否则没有人会真正意识到，因为我没有影响，我的意思是小狗更明显，是的
正确无误
我是说我今天学到了很多东西，顺便说一句，这非常不可思议。
你是一个很棒的主人，因为这真的就像一个超级正常的流畅对话，亚瑟
非常感谢，我已经这样做一段时间了，我又看到了，他们是怎么找到你的？
城市蜜蜂，你们有什么样的社交媒体？
我们有微信公众号，你可以输入城市蜜蜂上海
呃，我们还有一家微店，上海城市蜜蜂，好吗？
你们在那里卖什么？
呃我们卖蜂蜜
嗯哼，我们卖一些商品。
下一个哈哈哦
有人去买些商品吗？
是的。
我们有这些，我们有啊，现在是圣诞节，我们应要求制作两个不同的圣诞礼品盒。
嗯嗯是
也让人们品尝不同种类的蜂蜜，因为我们有不同种类的蜜蜂。
不同种类的蜂蜜
上海都市蜜蜂微信公众号微店
否则我的名字是Marco Sentinelli，你可以在微信上这样找到我。
尤其是如果你看到一群蜜蜂，请给我打电话。
太棒了，我会把所有这些都写在描述中，我希望你们去给马可打电话。
我要去看看是的蜜蜂没事
保重，每个人，拜拜听起来很棒。