BKP #349 [中] 杨国伟, UnTillTheEdge

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(00:08):
大家好今天来的是杨国伟欢迎
哈喽哈喽
大家好啊
我拉你过来其实也是因为我们两个都有同个爱好
嗯啊
就是EDC
可以这么说吗
可以可以啊
你跟大家说一下你的品牌吧先
我的品牌叫 UnTillTheEdge
是 UnTill

(00:30):
对是两个 L
然后本身大家可能会觉得是一个错别字吧
但是这是我自己呃算是一个错误的巧合吗
哈哈
对应该是这样子说
因为本身哦
它的中文名字叫直至边缘
OK make sense
make sense吗对了
对然后为什么是两个l

(00:53):
是因为当时在想这个品牌名字的时候
我就花了很长时间
嗯因为本身我喜欢呃
户外或者说是偏城市户外的那种嗯
文化
然后会受到比如说像日本那种娜娜
米卡那种品牌的嗯
影响然后
我当时会想着
取一个类似于像他们这种

(01:13):
比较开启的那种品牌名
OK
呃一直找不到一个方向嘛
然后我一般在没有呃
灵感的时候就会去看一些纪录片
或者说就会出去徒步
II agree
我一到外面我觉得真的很开放
一一个头脑就是呆在办公室

(01:34):
呆在室内我觉得真的很难
就是有灵感
对一出去就真的完全不一样
对我会被我很容易被框住
嗯就是想法上面会被框住
但是出去之后
因为你呃接触到的不管是视觉啊
还是各种感官
你都会打开呀
然后他的灵感就
会慢慢进来
然后刚开始有这个想法的时候

(01:56):
是因为我在徒步的时候
呃
我不知道你有没有去过那个马蹄湾
嗯没有在哪
在儿庄呢
啊没有
就在在grand Canyon的一部分
然后它那个形状像马蹄一样
我没去过
然后
然后它那边就是你要开车过去之后
它有个停车场
然后你要徒步到那个峡谷的边缘

(02:18):
OK
然后你才能看到那个马蹄的那个形状
啊
然后当时是我在川西那边徒步的时候
联想到了呃
我去马蹄湾的那那么一个过程
然后就想嗯
我看到那个边缘的时候
我就会本能性的往那边去走
OK

(02:38):
然后是因为
我觉得我到了那个边缘之后
我能看到更更更好的那个风景吧
是当然
对
我觉得好像大家本人都会这样子去做
包括爬山的时候也会
是你会给自己去设一个点
比如说我要去到那一边
嗯那很多人设的是
比如说我要爬到山的顶顶顶峰

(02:59):
对
我之前也是这样子想的
那所以
但是我不会想着说我要爬到顶
我可能只是到一个
之前是想着我要爬到顶的
但是后来我看了很多纪录片
我发现我好像现阶段没有那个能力
去爬到一个山顶

(03:20):
我我们徒步的时候
很多人都会说我一定要有个目的
那个目的就是我说的
哎就是那所谓的边缘
可是
我后面发现有目的不是特别就不是特别好的一个方向
我宁愿就是享受这个过程就够了

(03:41):
可是很多人就是徒
因为徒步应该是很享受看风景的一
个过程yeah
可是太多人就是我要尽快到顶
对对尽快到这个景点
我就有的时候觉得
我不要快
我要慢下来
我要享受
对对对
可是特别是我觉得

(04:02):
特别是上海这一群人
徒步的那群那群人
嗯很多都不是为了享受
都是为了我要到景点
我要拍一个照
我要说我完成了
更多是因为手手啊
哎也是对
我觉得也是
手手我也觉得我很喜欢这个手手
嗯是我理解

(04:24):
嗯就太有目的性了
嗯所以我有的时候觉得
很多人说我要到那个edge
我有的时候我不一定要到那个edge啊
我就就差不多就i'm happy
对但但是在嗯
最早的时候
品牌名字就是叫 Til The Edge
嗯
但是后来爬山的时候我发现
一是我到不了

(04:46):
二是我为什么一定要到那边
没必要
但是我之前是不知道的
那直到什么时候
直到我真的很尽力了
因为当时去爬高原嘛
嗯从3,000多要走到5,000多呀
哦
那我发现我很想到那边
但是我真的到不了
嗯
我已经尽力了
我到不了
因为搞反了
各种原因

(05:08):
但是我有没有说我后悔我没有到不了
其实没有
但是我很享受
我在朝那个方向去的那个过程呀
哦所以我后来就在这个前面加了个UN
嗯
那就是 UnTillTheEdge
对那大家乍一看就会觉得
你这就是一个错别字啊

(05:28):
对
然后我因为我自己有点强迫症嘛
我就会觉得嗯
我是不是应该把它改成正确的写法
no
然后这个
这个问题困扰了我半年的时间哈
哈哈
OK
然后我就要找
我一定要找到一个呃说法

(05:49):
能让这个UnTill 它 make sense 的
嗯然后我就上网去找了很多research
然后后来发现啊
其实在早期的英语里面
我不知道
这是不是一个官方的一个说法
嗯那其实
Untill 它最早有一个说法就是两个l
是是是对的
只是因为要那个打印机

(06:10):
他们打印两个l他容易变模糊哦
所以他就变成了一个l
这我完全不知道
但我不知道这是不是一个官方的说法
i don't know哈哈哈
然后我也查到
比如说在十十九世纪60年代的时候
嗯那double l它也是在一个学术书里面
也有人这样子使用的

(06:31):
那就no problem
对那就哎
我自己就哎
舒服了
那这样子他同时可以表达两个意思
就是我可以到边缘
嗯我也可以不要到边缘
那这样子就因人而异了嘛
因为有些时候确实我也能到
嗯但是也有部分情况是我是到不了
但我把这个目目的这个弱弱化掉

(06:53):
我想focus的是你在这一个过程中
嗯是这样子的对
我只是觉得我看到两个l有两个杠
其实我看着是蛮舒服的
我当时也是呀
我的下意识是就里面加加u n
我会觉得哎
这应该就是一个正确的写法
嗯然后后来我来上海之后

(07:15):
我朋友跟我说
你这是个错别字
我查了一下
哎他好
好像真的是个错别字
因为你去Google上面搜
嗯那他说他会
这这是一个raw spelling
yeah
然后但是我看那个单个l的时候我就觉得不舒服
我就觉得他就应该是两个l
可是你有两个l

(07:36):
然后你又是他也是
你现在在卖一把刀
我觉得很正常啊
就是一个手把
我觉得完全没问题
哎这个也也可以
就是我希望嗯
比如说大家关注这个品牌之后
然后你对这个品牌的解读
就是你自己的
嗯就像你听歌一样吗
你听到这首歌
你就会有自己的一些感受

(07:57):
我希望大家可能对于品牌
如果愿意去解读的话
也是这样子吧
嗯
呃然后我不管是在做设计的时候
还是在日常生活中也我也会听歌嘛
那所以刚刚那款刀
它的名字就是the Angel
嗯那就是因为它是我的第一款
然后也是我整个阶段性的开始

(08:21):
嗯哼就像音乐的那个前奏一样
所以我有很多灵感
都是从音乐上面来的
对但但我本身不是一个做音乐的人
我不是个做音乐的
我也不是对
但是
我会比较享受音乐带给我的那个氛围
嗯
然后很多设计灵感我的灵感就会来
来源于很多地方嘛

(08:41):
对然后不同的文化
然后音乐这些可能都是我的灵感
所以你为什么开始做倒我
因为我
我先给你说我的故事吧
可以我
我开始感兴趣应该是疫情那段时间
我们关着家
然后比较难

(09:03):
比较难接触到一些外面东西
我就每天看YouTube啊
然后每天看YouTube的时候
就看到这些人在review这些刀
嗯嗯嗯
我应该看了几百个
嗯就一直在那边看看
看我也不知道为什么
这个东西突然那么就是那么吸引到我
男生减速带

(09:23):
就哈哈哈
真的就是他
就是这把刀
是这样的
真的那把刀就就各样
然后这个钢是什么
钢铁叭叭叭
就说了一大堆
嗯哇怎么这么深
怎么这么多
然后他的video
就这
全部看完
全部看完,就一直在那边就是背景音乐

(09:45):
就一直在听一直在看
嗯然后突然有灵感化
这把刀怎么这么好看
就重复看几遍我 no problem
嗯
然后就买了
就就入坑了感觉哎
你是在国内入坑的？
啊对
我在这边入坑的
然后就开始问了一些朋友
朋友就给我一个应该就是贩子吧
就是卖卖这个东西的

(10:06):
哈哈哈
我就好OK我我买个小的试试看
对很舒服
就一直啪啪啪啪
就手就不停的在开关
开关开然后就那个就很爽那个
对对对对对对
然后就开始买了
越来越多嗯就就入坑了吗
嗯然后就后面感觉太多了
就开始送朋友了

(10:26):
嗯嗯因为这个钱好像是应该是嗯
就买不完的
嗯
我就觉得我现在
我今天
我现在带的就是我一直想买的一把
然后嗯
那个giant mouse
啊
不是啊我今天带的是啊Chris Reeve
噢噢对你之前跟我分享过我的 Sebenza

(10:47):
嗯我觉得这把就是i don't know
就是我觉得最简单的
最经典的一把美国刀
i love it我不知道为什么
这个东西就怎么看就是很舒服
钛合金的
然后这个应该是Magna cut
所以是非常高端的材料呀

(11:07):
对然后我就觉得this is it我够了
我不需要后面的嗯
然后我就done了
我就觉得这一把是
我再也不需要一把别的刀
那你好理性啊
啊我就that that's enough for me就这样就够了
那那你这个
你算是找到了一把
很非常合适自己的一个刀
那是
对那很理性啊
那像国外很多不管是国外还是国内

(11:30):
他们开始收藏刀之后
他们就会疯狂的去收集自己喜欢的刀
就停不下
其实跟Biubiu跟耶是一样的
对的
对不是为了说日常用的
更多可能是自己喜欢嘛
他会有那种不能说是收集癖吧
就是当我看到自己喜欢的时候
我都喜都喜欢
把它呀
占有就是那种

(11:50):
然后说到我做刀
其实可以说的很长很长
我能说吗
go for it
啊okay
然后最早我喜欢的并不是刀
而是那些兵器
啊
然后为什么喜欢兵器呢
是因为这个不是男生的本性吗
哦对啊但跟普

(12:11):
跟大部分的男生我接触比较多
是因为我爸爸
他是一个Taichi master OK
我在从小的时候
我接触到那种传统的武术很多
嗯
然后我们老家那边会有武馆
然后
那武馆里面就会放各种各样的兵器
然后我都是可以一把把拿来玩的

(12:31):
然后呃呃
然后我也
我爸爸也会经常跟我说一些他们呃
比如说很江湖的那些事情
比如说有人来所谓的那种踢馆
来切磋这种
我就会被那种文化非常的吸引吗
我小的时候也是
对我一样
对的对
然后我爸就会教我一些
比如说呃如何做那种防卫啊

(12:54):
包括一些一些竞技的一些技巧
然后我就非常喜欢
因为作为一个男孩子嘛
然后我从小学的时候开始
我就自己画刀
嗯
当时画的呢是那种
嗯
中国那种长的剑或者是那种大刀啊
再加上国内早期有那些电视剧
类似于风云雄霸天下

(13:14):
然后他们里面那些刀就好帅
嗯
然后我就从那个时候
我先照的那些样子画
然后画画画
画到后面
我就开始自己去添加一些自己的
对自己的元素
然后那个就是一个契机
然后从那个时候就开始画
嗯然后后面就断掉了
嗯

(13:35):
因为我在在美国时候我学的是商科嗯
哼但本来我是想要学设计的
嗯但我爸爸会说嗯
如果你学了设计之后我很难帮你
要给你提供一些自己的资源
然后我当时就听了他的
我就去读了伤嗯

(13:56):
然后你不后悔吗
多多少少会有一点吧
嗯因为我感觉可能自己在画画上面
因为我没有完全
我没有课系统的学过画画
嗯
我很多时候画画都是凭自己灵感的
然后我也不打稿
就拿一支笔就自己开始画
然后我在画画的时候我可以进入到那种他们说的心流理

(14:18):
哎当然
我可以画好几个小时不停的那种
然后很多画都是拿那个点绘
嗯一个一个点
yeah stepling
对啊一个一个点
然后组成一个画
那个是我在高中的时候
是因为当时我读的那高中
是一个国际高中
嗯然后有一个美术老师嘛

(14:39):
可是你不觉
得画画现在是还是可以学的
现在也不算晚
也是可以自己去上课
自己去学
嗯因为我也是学金融的
我大学也是金融的啊
然后听着爸爸为了这件事
去学了一个金融
那我们有好多东西好像哈哈哈

(14:59):
可是我觉得我不后悔嗯
啊不管是我投行的经历
不管是我这些东西虽然很苦
嗯
很累
这些都是有帮助的
嗯然后未来你不管进什么领域
学商还是有很多帮助的
嗯我觉得这个东西我完全不后悔
我可以现在如果我去开

(15:21):
比如说我去开一个柔术馆
嗯那些还是很有帮助的
嗯我也知道哦
我我的income statement大概长什么样子
我这些东西我都很清楚
嗯那这些是这些skills跟我一辈子的
嗯然后如果我想学画画
我想学柔术
想学体whatever
我都可以学

(15:41):
这样也不算晚对吧
嗯就像你当时问我有没有后悔的事
我停顿了一下嘛
哎呀
就是我的第一反应
不是后悔吧
我可能是
我觉得我失去了一个增长这个技能的那个机会啊
在当时要
但这个技能我是后面可以自己再捡起来的
也可以再补的对
然后另外一个奇迹呢

(16:01):
就是我在美国毕业回来之后
我进入到了一家国内的公司
嗯那
那家公司他们就是做刀具的呀
那就是非常非常纯的纸做刀具
嗯
然后
呃我是帮他们从早期的那种

(16:23):
很中国式的那种
呃贴牌那种公司那种拿货打标
嗯
然后帮他们转型到做那种独立的品牌
那是18年的时候开始进到那个公司里
然后帮他们从早期的国内贴牌一直做到现在

(16:45):
我们在那家公司在国外应该有 20多个经销商啊
哇great
对然后包括像美国比较大的那些dealer
嗯啊
Blade HQ
yeah啊
mountain
或者是
就已经我觉得已经算是做成了嘛
yeah
比较成熟了
然后帮他们去接了一些

(17:07):
我帮他们开发了
我帮他们建立了DLOR这条线
然后呃
帮他们跟国外的设计师去
第一次去尝试合作嗯
然后后来他们建了工厂
然后帮他们把代加工
OEM这条线也搭建起来呀
然后后面
我觉得嗯

(17:27):
我差不多可以出来自己去尝试一下了
因为公司里面他会受限
他会框住我的很多想法
因为其实你那段时间
1819年那段时间
美国的说
美国的市场对中国产出的刀是很

(17:50):
就很有点鄙视的
因为那个时候中国出的那些刀
很多美国的市场都会说这个东西不好
这个东西太便宜
这个材质不好
八八八我记得那段时间真的
大家都是说Chinese Knipe SOCK
budget knife
永远只停留在
只停留在budget knife
对的对然后现在你去看
不管是v nice
VV这这些真的都是高端好的设计品牌

(18:15):
真的做出来
他们是第一梯队呀
然后之前嗯
我18年去做的时候
当时Vlive已经展露锋芒了
所以我有很多的一些模式
就会参考他们的
of course
对然后没想到
因为怎么说
早期
因为中国品牌进入美国EDC这个市场

(18:36):
应该是从1415年才开始的嗯
然后出来了一个WeKNIFE
然后他们很多的模式就更偏西化一点
然后在国外呃
一下子就起来了嘛
嗯哼
然后占的市场份额也非常大
然后也让美国的那些

(18:56):
这个community里面的人
开始认可呀
国内的一些比较呃高端的品牌
然后所以慢慢慢慢的
会有一些呃国外玩刀的人
会对国产的刀呃
会有一个呃
想法上面的转变对
但是你说那些鄙视的人永远都在哦

(19:20):
肯定有对
而且现在只也有一个方面
也是更会鄙视
对在MADE in China
在美国就不是一个很好的一个
从来都是吧
对的
可是我也看到win life
那个时候
从一个比较budget
然后middle range的嗯
然后开始做高端的嗯

(19:41):
你看到这个过程的时候
你就觉得啊
我能这样子做吗
大家都把你定义成比较budget
或是比较midrange的
嗯啊
突然开始做好的东西
嗯贵的东西
然后大家就说他
他能转这个吗
哎真的转出来
现在we live真的还蛮多
不是budget很很贵的一些life

(20:02):
也都出来了
嗯i'm impressed
我觉得是不容易的
嗯可能它当时出来的时候
在国外它是budget life
yes made orange
但在国内他们已经算是高端的
高端了
他们的起步在国内就是高端的IC
主攻一些钛合金的嗯
然后用一些比较高端的钢材IC
然后他们一开始

(20:23):
就会跟国外的设计师去合作呀
所以他们进入那个市场的方式
就非常的符合西方人的那种想法
很顺他们
就进去了
再加上他们在市场推广上面
这块都做的非常非常好
我自己是这样觉得的

(20:45):
所以嗯
包括他们每年都会去参加展会
对的
包括成为展会的那个赞助商
嗯嗯
这些都对他们品牌有非常大的
呃很好的一些作用
然后他们跟布雷
HQ那边去建立很紧密的那种联系啊
这些都是他们能做到呃

(21:06):
现在这个地步的一个原因嘛
然后这些东西
都是国内那些品牌做不到的我觉得
你为什么觉得他们做不到
因为我没有觉得这个很
这个只是需要一个人
就是推进
比如说啊
我有一把刀我是

(21:26):
是we Banter
我很喜欢那个we Banter
嗯就是Ben Peterson啊
哦哦对
那个we Banter
他一出的时候
我一直看Ben Peterson
一直在看blade HQ的那些review
嗯然后
Ben Peterson这个人出了那把刀的时候
我说必须要买
不只是必须要买
必须要买
蓝色的就是Ben blue
就一直喜欢那个

(21:46):
哦所以我就知道的
那个嗯
啊其实他那那个时候一出
那把刀我买了
嗯搞丢了我很可惜哈哈哈
是
我很喜欢那把
嗯
我也很喜欢这个人
那我就买了
可是也是v nine出的
嗯然后后面他们第二个
那个MINI
好像叫Mini Banter
嗯baby Banter

(22:06):
嗯然后是savivi处的
就是他们的
比较budget budget brand
对
哎我就很喜欢
我就觉得哇
他又出了一个更小的更符合手人体的
我就感觉
对对是great
嗯
可是他们就是找到这些比
圈内比较网红的人
嗯他们合作说
let's let's work together
我帮你做一把你想做的刀

(22:29):
然后他Ben Peterson也花了很多时间设计
设计设计中呢
出了一个 webanter
嗯然后现在这一点
整条都是跟WeKnife Civivi在做
嗯that's great
我觉得你说的难的
你觉得不难呢
嗯但是我觉得难
难的是去改变他们那种mindset
嗯就是国内这种做这个类目的

(22:51):
那种品牌方
他们自己的那种mindset
改变是很难的
因为我自己了解下来
很多开始去做这个类目的
他们早期是做一些工工厂
嗯就是阳江嘛
他们最早
可能是帮国外的一些这种行业
做代加工
对的
所以嗯

(23:11):
他们不愿意去当那个
第一个吃螃蟹的人
嗯
但是
呃vnife他们的老板本身很年轻
然后我听说
听说好像是一个英语老师还是怎么样
所以他的想法就会比较细化一点
然后格局也很大

(23:31):
所以他做了很多尝试
然后每个尝试
呃是中国品牌第一次做的
但是在国外品牌来说
这是很常见的一个事情
对的
合作啊包括那些签约设计这种呀
所以他只是把那种国外的一个模式
搬到国内来
我就是这个意思
我就觉得这个很正常啊
你只要找到一个大有一个following的人

(23:53):
然后跟他说嘿
你的这些粉丝会想看到ABCD
那我帮你做到ABC
然后你出第一个
也就就我们合作嘛
我觉得这个是很natural的一个东西
你做不能
就是需要一个
对就是一个mindset
很难就是这样理解

(24:13):
对然后我之前自己做的时候
我也有尝试着去跟阳江那边的工厂
因为我觉得他们有实力啊
他们有机床
嗯
其实是可以合作的嘛
那我可以出设计
但是他们会说
哇我不愿意去做自己的品牌
嗯啊
你看啊比如说v life

(24:35):
他们做的这么成功
你知道他们砸了多少钱吗
也很多
对你知道他们在这上面花了
说你没有几百个上千个w呀
你不要去玩这个
他们是这样觉得的
但是我因为我对接过很多国外的
那些个人的
那种小品牌
或者studio那种

(24:55):
他们可能就是一个人
对
在运营对
whole thing
全部都都这样子做
没错为什么你们就不愿意呢
嗯
嗯我也看过
嗯我也理解这个想法
因为我觉得在这边很多人就觉得
如果你要做这个东西
你需要做大
然后我并不觉得你要做大

(25:17):
你很多中型行业
而中型的企业就可以做的小小的
中型的你就三四个人
可以可以可
如果有这个品牌
你可以做着那super big
可是你可以养活一个家庭
你可以养活十几个员工
no problem我觉得完全没有问题

(25:39):
可是我在中国有的时候就觉得很多
他们说你要做
你要做党
你要做很多
然后就一直砸钱
并不需要
因为国内人会觉得做大才能赚钱
要
可是我并不觉得是这样的
对但是嗯
现在
我觉得慢慢开始会有这种观念在吧

(26:00):
嗯就是自己几个小团队
开始去做一个品牌
但是对于阳江工厂那边的人来说
我理解
他们是完全觉得这个想法是不可行的
嗯哼我怎么样
三四个人一个小team
把这个品牌做到国际化
要
他们是觉得这个是不可能的事情
嗯

(26:20):
可是有这么多案例
你给他们看这么多案例也转不过去
没有那么多的案例
国内
国内没有
没有可是你去看国外有很多啊
他们看不到
可是你可以给他们看嘛
他们不愿意去看
就是在他们的那个思想框架里面
这个东西就是进不来的

(26:41):
嗯如果能进得来那就是能理解
但是
这个东西就进不到他们的框架里面去
嗯哼
所以说
这可能也是我能进来的一个机会
对我觉得是个契机
of course
我愿意这样子去做
因为我看到嗯有人这样做
或者说
国内还没有真正开始有人这样做呀

(27:01):
国外有人这样做
但国内还没有真正有人开始这样做
嗯所以我觉得
我应该在这个时候去做一些尝试呀
所以才有了我自己的一个一个品牌嘛
然后我没有想要做大呀
我也没有想要把自己框在一个地方呀
对
我希望的方式就是

(27:22):
一年当中
我有一半的时间我是在工作
我有半的时间我要去感受更多的灵感
对去找更多的灵感吧
这个东西停不了
嗯然后我之前一年半的时间
我是把自己框在家里面的呀
每天就画图啊

(27:42):
那本
然后很有用的
对
因为我之前没有学过那种画图的东西
呀那我就得自己慢慢一点一点去学
然后憋了憋了可能两年的时间吧
然后我才做出来了
两款设计
嗯
一个就是这个intro
对还有一个就是一个小的直刀
OK
然后它的名字叫detril

(28:06):
OK
其实就是你的trail啊
那trail那就是徒步的那条路
嗯我是想要嗯
前面有一个inch在
然后你接下来你要确定
你要走的那条路
嗯就是deter
然后那这条路可能会通到RDH
是这样子的一个过程
懂吗
对对对
所以它是就像其实就像歌一样

(28:29):
它会有一个起伏
嗯然后包括我的logo也是一样
它是它其实是马蹄湾的那个边缘
哦
很抽象完全不具象
啊
对他就是那一条边缘
这个logo去过
可是OK
那grand Candy啊
对可是我没有
我没有去过这个马蹄湾
哦那其实grand Candy也一样啊
OK

(28:49):
他就是你到了那个大峡谷那个边缘
就是那一条边缘啊对
灵感就是从那边来的嘛
嗯
因为我
你也抓好这个时间
因为我不知道什么时候发
开始发生的
就他现在知道
没有那么popular了
我不知道什么时候开始发生的

(29:09):
就现在大家都是知道
就大家都是小直道
你去看网红现在全部都在推小直道
就觉得
我现在必须要有一个Fixplay在身上
而不是一个一个开
可以开关的
可能就是这一两年开始的
可是现在大家都是啊
small Fixplay
哈哈哈

(29:30):
我不知道为什么
你有没有想过
我没有想过
我没有关注到
就说现在
我
我一直有关注
但是我没有感觉到这个趋势
就是我感觉到it's crazy
哦现在
因为我之前在做的时候
那个小的直刀就一直很流行really对

(29:50):
然后我一直都觉得大家都喜欢
有这个action
然后就有的听这个feeling
嗯
那一段时间我觉得大家都是喜欢一个
有可能是因为小直到现在做的人多
哎呀
然后
maybe
你看到的东西
是大家想要让你看到的嘛yeah
that's true
哈哈哈
对包括小直刀

(30:11):
它更容易加工呀
然后携带的话其实也更方便一点
嗯嗯
更实用吗
我觉得很多就是因为这个
室外这个徒步这一群人开始起来了
你说国内还是国外啊
boss
然后因为现在很多人喜欢这种徒步啊
或是你说的以前的bushcraft

(30:32):
嗯现在就
大家就觉得
我拿一把这个好像不太适合
对吧这个你还要开还要关
如果里面的这个joint不好了
可能就就不太好带出去
可是现在大家都是一个一个fix play
就感觉没有什么很坏的
嗯

(30:54):
我我
我不会理解
我不会太去理解
大家都理解的那些东西
对就是有些东西
比如说呃
比如说大家现在都流行持刀呀
我可能不会为了大家喜欢我就去设计
哦对
我可能是这个阶段

(31:15):
我需要去设计一把
嗯哼
那我才会去设计
OK
对我不喜欢
被被带着走吧
嗯那就像
比如说像incho一样呀
它的韧形
嗯我很喜欢那个韧round
yeah
非常非常的圆
对的为什么呢
是因为我看到大部分的刀
他们都把头做的很尖
啊对

(31:36):
然后aggressive嘛
嗯
我不喜欢
就是我自己本身不喜欢那种
很很aggressive的那种刀
嗯然后
但是大家都觉得
刀
就应该是给人那种很锋利的感觉的
嗯
然后这就是我刚刚开始做品牌的时候

(31:56):
我有点自嗨了
要我想要做的不一样
嗯你们都做尖的那我就做圆圆的
嗯我也不知道为什么要做圆的
我就是要跟你们不一样
嗯
我
我好像从初中开始我就有这种意识在
我就是我要跟别人不一样
要不管是从穿着上面
还是如果大家都去做这个事情
我就不做

(32:17):
对呀
我就是这样子的
哦
你知道我为什么觉得你要做圆的吗
嗯
我很喜欢圆的
我觉得那个有那个belly真的很好用
就是因为开盒子很方便
嗯嗯就是你不需要用尖的
嗯就用那个圆的烘过去就很舒服
嗯嗯所以我开盒子
我都是喜欢稍微有一点圆弧度了

(32:38):
在下面
嗯因为他这样子你直接拉就开了
而不是需要用那个tip这样子拉
这还是不一样
你不觉得用tip会更方便一点吗
我喜欢有那个belly
因为你的那个tip
会把里面的东西穿破
对的对对对
这是所以我喜欢那个belly在那边
那个圆的
就很就比较
不会把里面box里面的东西搞坏嗯嗯

(33:00):
因为我当时我也不是说完全意思流吧
啊就是做圆的
还有部分原因是
当时做这把刀
是为了符合你在户外去切
比如说你想要在案板上面
嗯自己切一下东西
OK你到时候可以去试一下
嗯他拿来切东西会很舒服
OK
是因为他那个软会把整个切
的那个线提高一点

(33:21):
嗯
你这样子切
平时那个韧
比较煎的时候你需要这样子切啊哈
但是如果他那刃比较高
你可以这样子提起来一点就好了
可是我不
我用刀的时候从来不是提起来
上下这样子切的
嗯我觉得这样子切很不舒服
切菜啊我从来不吃蔬菜的
啊哈哈哈

(33:41):
我都是吃肉的
所以我就觉得这个东西有点不舒服
嗯嗯
嗯
但那个是我当时的想法
嗯对
当时觉得应该这样做
我就按照自己的
我想我都已经出来自己做品牌了
对呀
我为什么
完全不按照自己的意愿去设计呢
of course
那我就应该那样子做的
嗯嗯

(34:02):
但是哈哈
呃很遗憾的是
这把刀在国外开始做测评之后
他并没有收到一个呃很好的反馈
呃feedback啊
对就是大家会觉得我这个韧性太
太pass了
啊
就大家还是会普遍觉得你带一点尖的

(34:23):
尖尖的那种就会更好用
嗯interesting
就这个东西
它很很深
呀
那我那把刀一看
给人感觉圆圆的
完全没有那种威胁性
我是自己觉得很piss那种
嗯
大家都会觉得
嗯不一定一定要吧
就是要
其实他的韧性是蛮特别的

(34:45):
就我自己来说啊
他他的韧性是蛮特别的
但是因为大家固有的那个思维
就是那样子的
可是所以你知道
很多船上的那种啊水手
嗯
他们的刀就是圆的
嗯他们没有一个point
大部分都是圆的
因为是来啊
what you call
就是割那个rope

(35:06):
嗯
所以他们从来不需要一个尖的东西
嗯他们永远都是圆的是这样子割的
嗯嗯
导致很多船上的都是这样子
这个这个形状
对但是那是很少一部分人
包括很少对刀具这个社区里面
他们本身因为跟
枪这个东西联系的比较紧密嘛

(35:29):
所以你这个东西
他本身就需要有那种攻击的属性在嘛
嗯
所以大家可能更期望看到的
都是那种尖尖的那种感觉
对呀
对然后我现在的设计
嗯那你会符合他们的一些反馈吗
就是下一把看的比较min一点

(35:51):
不会min但是从功能上面我会呃参考
我会参考一下他们给我的建议吧
嗯但是那个建议还是一样
我不喜欢你直接给我建议
对我希望你给我建议我自己能消化掉
要我能完全理解
嗯那可能我才会这样子去做

(36:12):
要
然后因为我自己一个人做
我知道我的能力有限
嗯
所以当时就通过国外的一个一个刀友
就认识了国内的另外一个品牌
然后他们也是刚开始
嗯然后那个主理人呢
之前是玩乐队的一个拱手
嗯
然后但他人在阳江嘛

(36:32):
嗯他比较熟悉那边的那个整个宫殿
然后他们自己也在做品牌
然后我就尝试去跟他们合作
然后包括今年的1月24号
嗯
Vegas的那个销售
啊对你们
你们会去沙丘
对我们会去沙丘
我一直想去我一直没去过
it looks amazing

(36:53):
我每次看到这个这个那些video
我都感觉哦
都是同类人
我都很想去啊
对对对对对
是我可以不买
我可以在里面逛一天一天
一整天都在对对对
你办几天
我就想去几天这样
但是我去不了啊因为签证的问题
签证啊对
然后呃过去
我本来不是说我们是6月份联系的吗

(37:14):
然后我当时说9月份会来上海呀
后面时间就一直拖着
就在家做设计
然后我会帮他们出一批设计
然后放到那个销售上面呀
嗯
同时的话就想要试着去更多的合作吧
把我自己的一些想法去实现出来

(37:35):
去实现出来
包括其实
嗯单说EDC这个文化
只是这个称呼现在这这些年才有
但是你说随身带刀这个文化
其实不管是中国
每个民族其实都有都有
包括中国也是吗
那汉人汉族可能不多

(37:56):
嗯但是你像藏族蒙古
我朋友是青海的也是
对他们就有带刀的这个文化
然后那这个文化就并不是呃
人跟工具的那么一个关系
特别是像藏族那边
那这把刀可能是他们一个身份的象征
嗯
或者说他们成人之后他们会配一把刀

(38:18):
这样子
嗯
那我后面自己有个想法
就是我想要去拍一种纪录片
OK
去到这些不同的呃
少数民族里面
去了解他们用这种刀的文化
嗯包括他们的EDC是什么样子的呀

(38:40):
然后他们那些i would love it
我一定会看
就他们东西是怎么样做出来的呀
然后我想要结合他们的东西
然后再把那些元素
加到我自己的设计里面去
嗯然后嗯我不想做的很商业化嘛
就想做的更精致

(39:02):
我不知道我现目前能力
能不能把它做精致吧
嗯之前想的只是我自己一个人
去做啊
但是后来把这想法说出来之后
跟我合作的那个品牌
他们想要把它做的更精致一点
或者说更
更纪录片一点
更正规一点吧
那种把人文呐

(39:24):
包括视觉这块的感受
都尝试的去拉高一点
嗯
因为我自己早期看那个纪录片比较多
但是我
我之前想的方法都是很真实的去记录
没有没有过多的添加的一些东西啊
但是现在还是在
现在还停留在一个想法阶段

(39:46):
然后我可能明年会试着去呃
把它转化成那种
呃呃怎么说
明年明年会试着去开始去
实施吧
OK
前期的一些规划嗯会去做
嗯
你觉得他你现在还没有做

(40:07):
你觉得他们的EDC
跟我们的有什么区别
没有区别
没有区别
只是我觉得有
我
我也是乱猜的
因为我也不知道
嗯可是我觉得现在EDC文化
是表达自己的个性
是在表就跟穿搭跟纹身是差不多的

(40:32):
嗯就是我要我拍这张照片
今天早上拿了我的皮夹手表啊刀相机
whatever这就我今天带身上带的
这些东西就是表达我的一个lifestyle
嗯然后我觉得EDC就是你拍的好看
所以很多人就会点赞
可是就是show我这个人

(40:55):
的
日常生活是需要哪些东西
然后对我来说哪些东西比较重要
嗯
啊
大部分
我觉得至少国外的EDC文化是这样
就是秀一下我每天需要ABCD
嗯然后这些东西都有一点美感
所以我拍一下

(41:16):
嗯
我说我当时说没有区别
是因为嗯它
它本身赋予的那个功能还是
一样的那当然那就是用然后包括
以物寄情嘛
嗯就是把自己的一些呃
情感依托在这个物件上面
嗯我我觉得这个大框架是一样的

(41:38):
可是那至于说他们那边是
这个是在文化里面
对这个就是这一把刀
我不管你是谁这一把刀
大概就会讲长这个样子
嗯就不是像我自己去出去买一把刀
很符合符合我这个个性的一把刀
嗯我觉得这是不一样的
他们的是这

(41:59):
你不管你是谁这把刀就是这样
然后我们是比较嗯有选择的
嗯哪一把刀更适合我我就买哪把刀
嗯我觉得这个区别是很大的
还是因为
呃这个跟文化也有关系吧
就是他们国内的

(42:20):
他们用刀
可能会更依赖于传统的那种样式
或者说是上面用的那些装饰品
纹路那可能都是更偏传统一点
对那国外那边
嗯他们创新就比较多
不管从呃款式上面结构上面材料上面

(42:40):
都不一样
包括用途
嗯哼他们都会分的非常非常的细呀
这也是因为国内
他慢慢
慢慢的就从早期开始有用刀这个习惯
到后面大家没有这个习惯在了
或者这个文化淡了
他淡了对了
所以才没有衍生出像国外这种

(43:01):
这么多的
就带versity的
这么对的这些样式吗
嗯嗯
所以我觉得
他们用的有一点像装饰品啊
就而不是一个
只是一个代表性的一个东西
而不是
我经常会把这一把刀拿出来用的
那个
就不是我想要去做纪录片要focus的点

(43:23):
OK因为我自己也买那种装饰性很
强的啊包括国内龙泉那种呀
他们也是装饰性很强的
但是那个不是我想要去做纪录片
想要去去采集的东西
嗯
我可能想要去采集的是那些真正
比如说牧民啊
啊或者说那些像贵州那种
他们生活在比较户外的那些农民

(43:45):
或者说那些真正用少数民族
他们回真的会用的那种嗯
不精致对
但是那个是他们真正能随身带
天天用的东西
对的
而那些东西
可能只是我想要去挖掘的一些东西
那
那这些东西挖掘出来之后
那那

(44:06):
比如说像他们比较装饰性那些东西
那些元素
嗯我提取出来
再加在这个上面
不
那再接再加上
嗯国外EDC那种所谓的结构
嗯跟材料
那可能会诞生出一个
我同意我完全理解
我我自己想要的
嗯
我自己最终想要去做出来的那个DH

(44:30):
嗯哼
是这样子的
嗯对
包括呃
你之前提到的EDC
这个美国的EDC
呃主要还是说美国嘛
因为欧洲那边跟美国那边
还是不大一样吧
然后跟国内的EDC
呃还是现在发展来看

(44:52):
我觉得还是有一些区别的
应该有很大的区别吧
嗯国内现在的EDC
包括你在小红书上面搜
你搜EDC他们可能出来的除了刀之外
还有一些小玩具
嗯
比如说
推牌啊有
指尖陀螺啊
嗯
他有玩具的属性在
对
然后开瓶器
我觉得都不多了吧

(45:12):
开个开瓶器就更功能性一点啊
但是你像推牌啊
指尖陀螺那种啪啪臂那些
就是纯玩的呀
日常把玩的那种东西
啊哈
这个在美国我觉得就没有那么那样
对了
流行吗没有
大家不会说哦
我everyday carry掏出来哎一个小玩具

(45:33):
这个红脖子
哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈
不会不会去干这个事情吗
但是国外他们的年轻人
嗯
啊他们可能会喜欢这一些
呃国内喜欢
嗯嗯像EDC那种玩具类的
我自己接触到的

(45:55):
那他们可能会喜欢二次元文化的
这种呀他们会多一点点
嗯工具属性不是那么强
但是他们喜欢那种小小的
但是很精致的那种
嗯很很精致的那种东西
然后外面会比较fancy一点呀
然后功能比较多花哨
然后又会带一些呃

(46:17):
比如说工业风
或者说是机械风
嗯哼然后
呃欧式那种
很很欧洲的那种
复古的那种
纹理那种
对呀
他们会在装饰上面去下很多功夫
材料上面会去下很多功夫
要
但是那种刀我是不舍得拿来用的

(46:37):
要
我是必须要用的
对如果这个东西不能用
我我我拿它干嘛
所以
它就衍生出了国内的这种EDC文化呀
就是这个东西
它的装饰品
装饰性很强呀
然后实用性会削弱掉很多呀
我甚至不舍得用
嗯
我那个刀我3,000块钱

(46:59):
我拿买一只高端的钛合金的刀呀
我拿它划纸箱我都不舍得啊
真的划完之后那纸箱上面那个胶条
它就会黏在你那个刀刃上面呀
我要花很长时间去把它清理掉
哈哈哈清理不好
我那刀刃上面就会有一条划痕呀
哇看到好难受
哈哈哈
所以我当时也在想我到底要做哪

(47:20):
一种我要做那种实用性的
我还是要做那种
呃装饰性比较强的
那我就会回归到我本身
我自己喜不喜欢那些很花哨的东西
no
我也不是很喜欢
对包括我穿衣服也一样
我不喜欢穿那种颜色很多的
yeah

(47:40):
然后我身上也没有什么logo
嗯
我也不喜欢把那种大logo打在那上面
一样我想尽量弱化掉logo这个东西吧
就好像Chris Reeve那把刀
我不用看logo啊
我看这个刀型我就知道
就知道它就是它对的
那这也是我想要做到的一个效果
我想你们那个intro就很很明显啊

(48:03):
没有几个刀是长那个样子啊
对对对所以挺难的
一个点吧
就是你要去做一些新的东西
但是这个东西他的接受度不高
嗯哼
但是我又想要依托这个东西去生活
去赚钱呀
很难你知道你需要什么吗
经纪人
我觉得

(48:24):
每一个公司都需要两个
一个是做设计的
一个是做商的
嗯对
然后如果你们有两个人一
一个管钱
一个管设计
你有的时候这个人就会很纠结
就坐在那边
可是你有两个
你就专门做这个
你就一直画图
然后我一直在这边卖
就OK了对对对

(48:44):
我看到太多公司就是失败在这
我自己我发现我自己不擅长的点
我不擅长去做
嗯跟很多不同不同认知的人去沟通
我很难
嗯
比如说咱们俩能聊得来

(49:04):
我希望我们中间有一个渠道的
嗯我可能只能跟这一个渠道的人
我能很好的去沟通
但是跟其他不同渠道
的你让我去沟通我很难
我缺这个技巧
嗯虽然我学的是communication
但是是因为我之前完全不会communication
你年纪多大
我93年的

(49:24):
93的啊
我发现
嗯
我不知道什么时候开始的
年轻人都说我不擅长沟通
然后用我是i人当这个借口
嗯啊我看到太多
嗯
其实我觉得是因为现在沟通

(49:47):
跟不一样的领域的人沟通门槛高
嗯你们用的语言
你们用的沟通方式就很不一样
嗯导致你需要学习一段时间
你才能跟他们沟通
不管是文化的故障不管是代沟不管是就很多槛在那边

(50:12):
很累啊可是沟通是最重要的
沟通是最重要的
如果你不沟通
不能跟别的领域的人沟通
你永远都会出问题
因为他们看得到的东西你看不到
是是这样的
嗯我我不是说我不擅长沟通
嗯其实我能沟通的很好
嗯
那只是说沟通对我来说他是一个技巧

(50:35):
对比较累
那只是说
我更愿意跟什么样的人去沟通而已
那有些人你跟他沟通时间长了
我会很疲态
嗯我会不愿意再继续沟通
我也会
对但是有些人
就像我可以跟一些朋友
从晚上9点钟开始喝酒
一直聊天到凌晨5点还不够的那种

(50:57):
啊对
你说我不擅长沟通吗
我绝对不是啊
但是我得找到那种很让我舒服
这种沟通的方式吗
但是你让我去跟工厂老板的对接
我也可以聊四五个小时
我也可以一屁股坐一个下午
但是聊完之后
我需要休息
我可能后面的一天
我一句话我都不想说

(51:18):
对的我懂就会
像每次喝多了就是那种
就是那种感觉
你知道吧
好好累呀
对对对
所以说我觉得我不擅长沟通
是这个点吧
嗯并不是说我没有这个能力呀
有但是一个是很享受
一个是很不舒服

(51:38):
嗯那
我可能更情愿
待在比较舒服的那个区域里啊
可是必须要走到不舒服的区域
对啊但是我现在有
因为我知道自己出来创业了嘛
嗯所以那个技能我就需要去掌握
对的包括我我我爸爸
他本身是商人
嗯
他的这项技能就很强耶
从小他们那一代跟我们不一样

(52:02):
我我之前很崇拜我爸
他各方面的技能都非常强
而且他也做过很多很多不同的
呃领域
领域吧就是他之前啊
年轻的时候
我爸是从小开始学学武术的
嗯
你说过对
早期学南拳
嗯后来学太极拳

(52:22):
太极拳后来就是拿了很多的奖牌
然后后来变成了那个裁判
嗯然后这是他的一个身份
然后同时他又是消防员
早期的消防员
然后后来嗯
变成了
呃企业家
嗯
所以他的头衔是非常非常多的

(52:43):
包括我爸
后来我爸也跳舞
你看他之前也跳舞啊
武术跟跳舞是很类似的啊
对对对
只要身体动起来
对他跳舞又能跳到
不是爱好
他可以比如说去去去杭州
或者去北京那边呀
去上大舞台那种
他又可以
这些东西都是他的兴趣爱好

(53:03):
但他每个兴趣爱好
都能做的有点东西出来呀
而不是只是爱好
所以这个是我很羡慕的地方所以
嗯但是嗯
你看到他每方面都做的很好
然后沟通能力也很强
但是我又看到他另外一面嘛
就是也会很累呀

(53:24):
真的好累好累
但我又不希望
我又很羡慕他的那些能力
但是我又不希望像他
哈哈哈我也不希望像他那么累
你知道吗
可是你觉得他觉得累吗
他他享受啊
啊很
他享受他他的那些头衔

(53:44):
对的
因为那些头衔给他也也是成就他的
现在的一个
今年今年不一样
可是我前面几年
基本上我在中国这一段时间
嗯
我的
我的每周都排的很满
可以说我

(54:05):
我先周一二我上柔术
周三去攀岩
周四去打拳
周五休息
可能就去dating
或者出去玩一玩
搜索一下
周六射箭
周几就每天都是排着满的
早上在健身房
晚上上班
然后晚上有兴趣爱好
我很多朋友都会跟我说

(54:26):
你活的这么累干嘛
哈哈哈
你活的这么累干嘛
可是我没有觉得累
对对对不只是不觉得累
我每一那一段时间
每一个半小时都排着满满满的
或是知道我这半个小时到底在干嘛
嗯你去看我的那个calendar
全都是噔噔噔
一个block一个block一个block的

(54:48):
然后他们就说
你不休息吗
嗯
我我在培养我的兴趣爱好啊
这就算休息啊
嗯可是他们说你
你攀岩真的算休息吗
呀
我就很享受这个过程
我每次去攀岩馆
我又有朋友在
我又在进步
就各样的好处

(55:09):
it s great
就这个时间
虽然你觉得是排得满满满的
完全没有做别的东西的时间
可是我排的满满满的
都是因都是我爱做的
事情对对对
导致我没有觉得累
我没有觉得不开心
我其实觉得我活的比你们开心多了
嗯
因为你们每天下下班就是看电视睡觉

(55:31):
嗯我
我充满着兴趣爱好
对对对
所以就我就觉得很值
我觉得
你爸就可能就是往这个方向在想
嗯时间多了也在做我爱做的事情
那就对
其实把那半个小时
如果把他们那你那半个小时
都把它列成一个表格的话

(55:51):
那就是我做做
我在做我喜欢的东西
对的
那那你还要干嘛
要分半个小时还是十分钟
还是一个小时呢
就好像我坐半个小时
半个小时
我一共坐了5个小时
嗯
这是我喜欢的东西
然后也可以等于我徒步的5个小时
说我的身体在遭受

(56:13):
那种酸痛啊
那种对的
但是我在做自己喜欢的事情
对的
这个事情
就是我觉得很享受这个事情呀
你不理解
你就不理解
我之前去hitchhike
嗯
徒步搭车在国内
哦OK
国内应该比较安全吧
我不知道
安全啊很安全

(56:35):
很有意思
非常有意思呀
之前我想要徒步踏车是因为我看了
呃中国一个旅行家叫谷岳
嗯他从他也是在美国
但是他中国人
嗯华裔吧好像是
他从国内开始徒步搭车去德国见他女朋友
哈哈酷
哈哈哈哇
然后

(56:55):
那个是我的开始想要徒步的一个点呀
就是一个契集吧
看看完他的之后
呃徒步搭车去去德国
我说还能这样子耶
然后14年
呃我就从美国暑假回来了嘛
然后就跟我云南的同学
我说要不要徒步搭车
要

(57:15):
他说可以啊
走我们就设计了一条路线
哇
从国内的
呃大理开始
OK沿着国道就是开始啊
真的就是这样子
然后一直到香格里拉就是两周的时间
然后就路上给我所有的那个feedback

(57:36):
都是非常非常好的
就是我没有经历过的
可能我一天要走六七个小时呀
我搭不到一辆车
对
是有的就是我已经我
我之前最多的时候
一天好像走了30多40公里
哇
搭不到一辆车
嗯但是等到真的有辆车
他愿意停下来的时候

(57:58):
就是那一下
真的那那个感觉好像做其他事情
我没有get到
呃没有体验过那种感觉
很好很好很好
然后路上也遇到了很多不一样的人
有趣的人
然后每一个人
他们都会很乐意的去跟你分享
他们在路上经历的一些事情

(58:19):
对啊
然后我们也会带一些
比如说他们之前是自己自己旅游的
比如我们是两个人嘛
对啊到最后一天我们变成了7个人
还是8个人
酷
那就坐不了一辆车了
对
但是他们会开始去尝试着去搭车了
对
因为他们知道我们是一路搭车过来的
对的

(58:40):
而他们也会试着去搭车过
很有意思
很有意思
但这个事情你现在让我去做我
好像就不会去做了
嗯为什么
没有当时的那个冲动
嗯当时做那个事情很很很冲动呀
有一个

(59:01):
有一个很强的那种passion在那边嗯
必须要去做
就执行力非常高要
但是现在去做
你就会开始去顾虑这些东西
然后顾虑那些东西
老了
你是老了吗
呀我觉得是老了啊
我小的时候也是
就什么都不怕let's go
嗯

(59:21):
我觉得就是年纪越大
你想的东西太多了
你要考虑的东西也太多了
就慢慢没有这种
说走就走的这个过程
但是说走就走感觉就很好
我我第一次徒步是在grand Candy嗯
从最上面开始到最下面
我第一次徒步就这么
就是我不知道的

(59:42):
我不知道
你这个徒步要我报过来看下要怎么徒
他的路程有多远
要徒多少时间
同学就说走啊
去徒步我说好啊
反正有点脏了
这么多徒步的路线
对关看下
必须去的吗
那就去了
我也不知道
他们说这个是一个新手路线啊
我就去了
应该没什么问题
我也没有穿什么东西
我穿了件背心哦

(01:00:04):
外面套了一个蝴蝶
我就走了呀
然后也没有带那么多吃的哦
水也没有带
水也没有带
what are you doing
水在车里面
嗯但是我跟我一起那个同学
他走的时候把车钥匙锁车里面了
然后我们基本上

(01:00:26):
自己的水就没有了
在路上问朋友要了两瓶水
啊
然后当时一路因为他是在最上面嘛
你要去到那个谷底呀
那一段我就走的很开心呀
回来的路好
但是你回来的时候你要往上走呀
it's terrible
你要往上走
哈哈哈哈
哎呦我的天呐哈哈哈
然后中间有很长一段路

(01:00:49):
嗯那个路上你是看不到一个人的呀
然后你就会听到朋友之前跟你讲
关Kana一年要死多少人
有有多少徒步的人找不到
对找不到
连根的尸体都找
不到人在哪里都不知道
是的
但是我之前完全不怕
嗯哼
我就知道我只要往上走我就能走的到

(01:01:09):
就一定走的到
对的对一定走的到
对我当时走最差的状态是
我的脚已经迈不动了啊
我是手提脚我是手去提我的脚耶耶
然后这样子走
然后一直走到天快黑了啊
实在走不动了耶
天黑了很吓人的耶
我没有任何的装备

(01:01:29):
我也没有保暖的东西
而且他的温差很大
特别大特别特别大
然后我就只有一件糊底
然后上午的时候我还把糊底脱掉
我就穿件背心啊
这个no problem因为白天是还还是蛮热的
但是我换上我后面皮脱了一层
啊我不知道
哈哈我不知道
对的
我是感觉背上很痒然后我拿手一撕呀

(01:01:51):
一层皮呀
我当时快天黑的时候我已经走不动
就站在路边
因为身体没有能量呀
我没有吃什么没有带吃的
对
就等于我空腹有氧哈哈哈太夸张了
后来我就站在路边问路人要吃的
of course
他们就把自己做的那种苦皮给我

(01:02:11):
然后吃完之后我才有一点能量
继续对
爬完之后鸡肋但是很爽
上瘾了呀
那个是第一次徒步
嗯
然后后面14年回国的之后开始去徒步
搭车耶然后那个是最长的一次徒步

(01:02:31):
然后慢慢慢慢我就开始回
回美国之后就会去很多地方呀
去徒步了
我是在那个时候才开始找到感觉的
嗯就是
呃他
他走多了之后
他会进入到一种状态里面呀
这个状态你可能没有
徒步的人你不大好去解释那种

(01:02:55):
我到现在也不知道应该怎么样去解释
吧就是
我可以说
很多我的朋友都跟我说一模一样的话
我也没有到这个状态
我最开心的就是
我们一边徒步
然后我偶尔会停下来看一下
风景又好
我又是跟着朋友

(01:03:17):
就这个很完美啊
我就觉得这个feeling是对的
你又是身边最close的一些朋友
嗯然后你们再做一个很难的一件事
我就觉得世界是很美好的
嗯that's what a feeling
嗯所以我每次去徒步
都是约几个真的很close很好的朋友

(01:03:37):
然后我们又带吃的
嗯又
我记得我们上次去我也忘了在哪啊
我们爬一个山
山顶上有一个水库
嗯
我们爬到上面真的已经累到不行了
然后应该是要准备下大雨了
可是我们爬到上面我腿也是哦

(01:03:58):
膝盖后面特别酸
然后大家就把脚咚放到水库里
嗯泡一下脚哦
然后五六个人就躺在水库旁边
一个人哎
我有牛肉干啊我有薯片
就他pass pass pass pass
然后就一边喝水一边吃一点零食
泡几个人就在那边泡着脚

(01:04:20):
对
amazing这个feeling就是当下
你就在收集那种能量
回回来了
回到身体里面
啊it was amazing
我觉得那个feeling特别好
对所以我就很喜欢
很多人说他们徒步为了收手是不好的
no我就是为了收手而徒步

(01:04:40):
嗯我就是喜欢跟我的朋友
做一件很难的事情
嗯sa wrong
我觉得你们很多人就是觉得social是
是哦你没有真的爱徒步
你只是喜
欢来social fine
可是我就是喜欢来
so why not why not
对why not
我跟我的朋友来
然后我们做了一件很难的事情

(01:05:01):
然后我在这边一边聊天
一边一边爬山
it's great i love it
所以我我对
这个东西就是
跟着朋友做一件好玩的事情
my favorite对
我是很难遇到这样的朋友啊
对不多
嗯就是
我身边的朋友说
我说去徒步啊
他妈走一天

(01:05:22):
哈哈哈疯了吧
太累了
你要你要多跟这些攀岩的人
hang out那些攀岩的人
哈哈no problem
因为我不怎么去
收手吧嗯
然后更多的时候
可能也可能是我现阶段的原因造成的

(01:05:42):
不是说我不愿意
嗯是可能现在的我的情况导致我呀
是这种状态
对但我希望的可能是
每周我都能跟朋友去do something
对
yeah可以是任何事情
对但是
我希望能更多的去亲近那种大自然
那我推荐你

(01:06:03):
我不知道你跟我是不是也是那种
你时间排的很满
不是啊
那我推荐你
就专门把时间抠出来一点时间你在
不管是在手机上
不管是在anything
你就专门把
就说周五下午 10点到

(01:06:24):
you know whatever
就专门抠出来这个时间说
我要跟
随便不管是谁搜索就好
我真的觉得这个这个就让我很free
我看到我的calendar上写了哦
我必须要把这个时间填满
那我可能周一我就说嘿
要不我们周五10点半去做

(01:06:46):
do something嗯
我就每every week我就会把这个时间填满
然后这个时间就专门
留给一手手
嗯
很有用的
嗯可能是我想的太
太好了吧
比如说像首秀这种
我想要一做
我就把它做的很很让我自己满意那种

(01:07:08):
嗯我之前有试着让我自己完全放空
很自由的那种
嗯是我一二一年辞职之后
嗯我自己开始一个人去旅游
嗯就沿着国内那个地图吗
不是中国地图
不是鸡的形状吗
对我就沿着沿海

(01:07:28):
嗯
沿海这个城市从深圳开始OK
到惠州然后到福建到浙江上海
OK沿着那个一直
对就一直一个人
我就一个人玩
然后去每个不同的城市
我就找当地的同学或者是朋友
哦
那很好啊玩了
玩了大概一两个月的时间
然后后来又去了呃四川

(01:07:51):
然后往西藏那边走
嗯然后那个那一整个状态不稳定
但是我很喜欢
of course对
然后就是一个人可以背着包去城市
去
你觉得
这是基因里面有的一个一个因素吗
没有no
你爸没有
我爸喜欢热闹

(01:08:12):
嗯我喜欢一个人
嗯
我是那种独处的时候或者说人少一点
我汲取的能量会多一点
啊me too
对但是人多了之后
因为我可能比较敏感
人多了之后
我可能要处理的信息就很多
嗯
喜欢徒步也是因为在徒步的时候
我可能就是一个人

(01:08:33):
嗯然后很很单纯的
我不用去考虑那么多东西呀
然后那种感觉
就会让我有能量回来的感觉
对我觉得是一个时代的问题
要吃真吗
我觉得这个是一个代购
哦这个好大
他们他们以前没有互联网嗯所以他

(01:08:56):
们需要
deal with的信息很少
我们每天都有互联网
每天信息是无限的
对
所以我们享受就是quiet他们
因为信息不多
所以他们享受稍微热闹一点
我觉得是一个代购
我觉得是时代的变化

(01:09:17):
而不是人的
我之前有一度一段时间
我是排斥用social media的呀
我在美国V 年啊
我没有Instagram
我没有Facebook
没有然后当时我在在学校里面
走的时候会会有他们来问我
他说哎因为可能是我穿着的原因吧
嗯
他们会觉得哎蛮蛮蛮有意思的

(01:09:40):
他说哎你挺酷的
你有没有自己的那个呃
social media可以可以联系一下这种
我说我没有哦
你看着很年轻
为什么你这么old school
他说为什么你这么old school
什么old school
哈哈哈为什么会觉得我那么old school
就是我当时有抵触去用那些东西

(01:10:02):
我觉得
可是现在你必须要用啊
对这就是我不喜欢的点
就是哈哈哈
之前是因为工作原因
我开始去用社交媒体
对去用Instagram去
去跟这个社会去有更多的那种联系嘛
但是当我自己开始去做的时候

(01:10:25):
就好像你在小红书看到我之前有在发
但是这段时间我就一条都没看到
对的我注意到你来之前我
我还特意去看了一下
就是为什么呢
不是说我不喜欢
是那个不是我本人要去做的事情好像
嗯
就需要一个经纪人

(01:10:45):
那就是我刻意需要去做的事情
耶
然后那个东西嘛
你都你都已经自己出来创业去做
你都说你已经
出来去做你自己想做的事情了
然后你要
又要去做一些自己不喜欢的事情
那不就很矛盾吗
哈哈哈
非常矛盾啊就是

(01:11:05):
又不能玩
很很好的做自己你就很累
可是这个就是开做品牌的一个困扰
对必须要
我知道我选了一条难的路嘛就是
我又想着要把这些所有的事情
都让我自己一个人handle掉
但是慢慢慢慢觉得我可能不适合啊

(01:11:27):
我做了之后我才知道我可能不适合
那就试着去找解决的方法喽
当然也可以找适合的合伙人
我觉得找到适合的合伙人会放松很多
对所以你做你合适的事情
他做他合适的事情
对分工很清楚的时候就突然哎

(01:11:48):
this not so bad
对对所以我现在好的是
呃我
我找到了一个比较
我觉得自己聊得来的一个合作伙伴
嘛也是另外一个品牌的
嗯然后我们俩一样大然后两个小孩
OK哈哈哈哈哈哈然后也是长头发
然后可能对音乐都会有一点点感觉

(01:12:10):
嗯但是两个人兴趣爱好还是很不一样
就是他完全
没有涂过布呀
但是我又有那种比较浓的户外的情节
呀然后这个是
那你把他拉进你的领域
他把你拉进他的领域
对对对
但是我们的那个渠道又是通的呀
所以这种信息就很好交换嘛

(01:12:31):
我完全理解
对所以现在就觉得嗯其实也要去
如果你要去改变的话
你就试着去有一些动作
嗯去做一些尝试
要啊
可能你想要的结果就会来
而不要永远只停留在想我之前就
是一直在想想想哎呀想非常非常多

(01:12:51):
但是做的很少啊
发现你可能只有做了之后
他才会有一个反馈要
然后那个反馈不管是好的还是坏的
可是至少是反馈
对但是
他可能都会让你
更往你想要的那个方向去要
我我现在感觉是这样子的
就是我之前想要的我那个状态

(01:13:13):
可能是我之前想要的那个状态
那是不是我以后
或者是现在要的那个状态也不是
哎
对我完全完全对
呃我在变
我不可能就像
就像我之前的想法是我要当一个呃
环球旅行家耶
我自己背一个包耶我就要去徒步了

(01:13:37):
全世界走
我就想要这样子
我我我去当一个博主啊
然后我觉得完全没问题
你真的还想的话
也是可以的
他淡了啊
他淡了他变淡了
那就没有那么想了
嗯

(01:13:57):
想当然是通过另外一个方式呀
我也我也去去很多国家
我可能也是一个人
但是我会把刀具这个东西嗯加进去
那可能国内走完了我往中亚走
嗯然后我往欧洲走我往非洲走
每个民族他们其实都有这个刀的
文化债没错

(01:14:18):
回到美国美洲那边
哎那我觉得这样子好像
会更现实一点吧
我觉得然后
我又能去看不同国家的一些风土人情
然后又能有自己的呃
business这种

(01:14:38):
然后会有income
yeah
那完了现阶段觉得这样子就很好
i agree
对
然后那现在我觉得我想的已经够了
嗯好
就叫开始做对
然后就会从明年的销售开始
然后慢慢慢慢的去先试着让我去
攒到那一部分

(01:15:00):
要去启动这个项目的资金
yeah
然后接下来我就会开始一步一步去做
i'm very excited
然后这个就是the trail
yeah
就是那种地区
就是那条路
i got
对能不能到无所谓
对了但是我又就往那个方向去

(01:15:22):
下去后你们两个人
我希望你们两个都可以来上一下电台
聊一下一些享受
或是这个东西开始起步了
过一会时间你们两个人再上
我们两我们三个一起聊好吧
可以啊可以啊
对因为上售之后
我们那边德国还有一个IW是不是

(01:15:45):
酷外仔
你们结束的时候你们有空
随时欢迎
可以啊可以啊
呀对
因为他他嗯
他其实有很多想法是跟我不一样的
但是我们相互理解
对这就很有趣
就这个我觉得是能碰撞的
这个我觉得才是真正能碰撞出东西的
大家能相互理解
但是又有一些新的观点在

(01:16:06):
然后又能做到融合
嗯
why not
就很好就是这样子
OK好啊
我们今天差不多录到这边
再跟大家说一下品牌
然后你们的小红书啊
这些跟大家说一下
不介绍了
我觉得如果你是在这个圈子里面
我是希望大家就能很自然的发现我
哈哈哈

(01:16:27):
OK没问题
不想去推广
OK来这啊
拜拜
好拜拜
Hello everyone, today guest is Yang welcome
Hello. Hello.
Hello, everybody.
I dragged you here because we both have the same hobby
Uh-huh.
EDC
Can you say that?
Yes, yes.
Tell everyone about your brand first.
My brand is UnTillTheEdge.
Is UnTill
Yes, it's two Ls.
Then everyone may think it is a typo.
But is this myself, uh, a wrong coincidence?
Ha ha.
Yeah, that's the way it should be.
Because of itself
Its Chinese name is Till the Edge
Yes, and then why two l's?
It was because when I was thinking of the brand name at that time
It took me a long time.
Well, because I like it, uh
Outdoor or the kind that is more urban. Hmm.
culture
Then you will be affected by, for example, Nana like in Japan
Mika's brand. Hmm.
Impact then
I was thinking
Take one similar to them
The brand name that is more open
Uh, I haven't been able to find a direction
Then I usually don't have uh
When I'm inspired, I watch some documentaries
Or go out on a hike
As soon as I went outside, I felt really open.
One mind is in the office.
I find it really hard to stay indoors.
Just inspired
Yeah, it's really different as soon as you go out
Yes I will be framed by me easily
Well, the idea will be framed on it.
But after going out
Because what you, uh, touch is visual.
Or the senses?
You will open it.
Then his inspiration
Will come in slowly
And when I first had this idea
It's because when I was hiking
Ah.
I don't know if you've ever been to that horseshoe bay
Hmm no I havent been
Are you in Erzhuang?
Ah, no.
Part of the grand Canyon
And it's shaped like a horseshoe.
I haven't been there.
And then...
And then it's over there after you're going to drive over.
It has a parking lot
And then you hike to the edge of that ravine.
And then you can see the shape of that horseshoe.
Ah!
Then it was when I was hiking over there in western Sichuan
Reminds me of uh
The process of my going to Horseshoe Bay
And I thought, hmm.
When I saw that edge
I instinctively went there
Then because
And I feel like I've gotten to that edge.
I can see a better and better view
Yes of course
Right
I feel as if everyone would do it themselves
Including when climbing mountains
You set a point for yourself.
Let's say I want to go over there.
Well, a lot of people set it up as
For example, I want to climb to the top of a mountain.
Right
That's what I thought.
So
But I don't think about going to the top.
I might just be one
I thought I was going to climb to the top
But then I watched a lot of documentaries
I find that I don't seem to have that ability at this stage
To climb to the top of a mountain
When we hiked
Most people would say I have to have a purpose
That's what I said.
Hey, it's the so-called edge.
But
I later found that if there is a goal, it is not a particularly good direction.
I'd rather just enjoy the process.
But many people are disciples
Because hiking should be a great way to enjoy the scenery
A process yeah
But there are too many people, but I want to get to the top as soon as possible.
Yes, yes, get to this attraction ASAP.
I sometimes feel
I don't want to be fast
I'm going to slow down.
I want to enjoy
Yes, yes, yes.
But especially I think
Especially this group of people in Shanghai
The group of people on foot
Well a lot of it is not for enjoyment
It's all because I want to go to the attraction
I want to take a picture.
I'd say I'm done.
It's more because of hands.
Hey, that's right.
I don't think so either.
I also think I like this hand very much
Yeah, I understand
Well, that's very intentional.
Yeah, so sometimes I think
A lot of people say I'm going to the edge
Sometimes I don't have to go to that edge
I'm almost happy
Yes but but in um
At the earliest
The brand name is Til The Edge
OK
But later, while climbing the mountain, I realized that
One is that I can't get there.
The second is why I have to go there
No need.
But I didn't know that.
Until when?
Until I really tried my best
Because I was going to climb higher altitude at that time
Well, from more than 3,000 to more than 5,000
Oh.
Then I found that I really want to go there
But I really can't get there.
OK
I've done my best.
I can't get there.
Because it's reversed.
various reasons
But did I say I regret not being there?
Actually no
But I enjoyed it.
I'm in the process of going in that direction
Oh, so I put a UN in front of it.
OK
So that's UnTillTheEdge.
Right. So people, at first glance, think
Is that a mistake?
Right
Then I'm a little obsessive-compulsive
And I thought, hmm.
Should I change it to the correct spelling?
And then this.
This question has bothered me for half a year.
Ha ha.
Then I'm looking for
I must find a uh explanation
Make this UnTill make sense
Well, then I went online and found a lot of research
And then found out later?
In fact, in early English
I don't know.
Is this an official statement?
Well that's actually
Untill it first has a saying that it is two l
Yes, yes, yes.
Just because I want that printer.
They print two l, it is easy to become blurred.
So he became a l
I had no idea.
But I don't know if that's an official statement.
I don't know hahaha
Then I also found out
For example, in the 1960s
Well that double l it's also in an academic book
Some people also use it like this
Then no problem
Yes, then
I'll do it myself
Comfortable
So he can say two things at the same time.
That I can go to the edge
Well I can also not go to the edge
So your mileage may vary
Because sometimes I do get there too
Well, but there are also some cases where I can't get there.
But I took away the weakness of this object.
I want to focus on you in this process
Well, that's right.
I just think I see two l's with two bars
Actually, it looks pretty comfortable to me.
Me too.
My subconscious is to add u n to it.
I would think hey
This should be the correct way to write it.
Well, then after I came to Shanghai
My friend told me
Is this a typo?
I checked
Hey, how is he?
It seems like a typo.
Because you go to Google and search
Well, he said he would.
This is a wrong spelling
Then, but when I look at that single l, I feel uncomfortable.
I think it should be two ls
But you have two l's.
And then you are him too
You are now selling a knife
I think that's normal.
It's a handle.
I think it's totally fine.
Hey, this is also acceptable.
Just I hope hmm
For example, after everyone pays attention to this brand
Then your interpretation of the brand
It's your own.
Yeah, like when you listen to music?
You hear this song
You will have some feelings of your own
I hope you may be interested in branding
If you are willing to interpret
Is that so?
OK
Well, then I don't care when I'm designing
I also listen to music in my daily life
That's why the knife just now
Its name is the Angel
Well, that's because it's my first model.
And that was also the beginning of my whole phase
Hmm, like the prelude to the music
So I have a lot of inspiration.
It all comes from music
Yeah, but -- I'm not a musician per se.
I'm not a musician.
I'm not right either
But
I enjoy the atmosphere that music brings to me.
OK
Then a lot of design inspiration will come to me
It comes from many places.
Yeah. Then, different cultures.
And music, that might have been my inspiration.
So why did you start knocking me down?
Because of me
Let me tell you my story first
Yes, I
I became interested in the epidemic period
We're locked up.
Then it's harder
It's harder to get in touch with some outside things
I just watch YouTube every day.
And then every day when I watch YouTube
I see these people reviewing these knives
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
I should have seen hundreds
Well, just keep looking over there
See, I don't know why.
And this just sort of drew me to it all of a sudden.
Boys speed bumps
Just hahaha
That was him?
This is the knife.
It's the following.
Really, that knife is all kinds
Then what is this steel?
Steel blahblahblah
They said a lot
Hmm wow why so deep
Why so much?
And then his video
Here it is.
Watched it all
After watching it all, it's always there. It's the background music
I've been listening and watching
Well, then suddenly there was inspiration
Why is this knife so beautiful?
Just watch it a few times, I have no problem
OK
And I bought it.
Fell for the hobby
Did you enter the hobby in China?
Yes
I got into it here
So I started asking my friends.
My friend introduced me to a dealer
He sells this kinda stuff
Hahaha
I'm OK, I'll buy a small one and try it out.
Yeah, very comfortable.
Just keep popping
Just keep opening and closing
The switch is on, and then it's that cool.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Then I started buying
More and more, are you in the pit?
Well, then it felt like too much
I started gifting them to friends
Hmm, because this money seems to be supposed to be um.
I can't buy them all.
OK
I feel like I am now
I today
I'm carrying the one I've always wanted to buy
And then um
The giant mouse
Ah!
No, I brought it today. Yeah, Chris Reeves.
Oh, yeah. You shared my Sebenza with me before.
Well, I think this one is I don't know.
It's what I think is the simplest.
The most classic American knife
I love it. I don't know why
This thing is very comfortable.
Titanium
Then this should be Magna cut.
So it's a very high-end material.
Yeah, and then I thought this is it
I don't need anymore
And then I'm done
I think this one is
I don't need another knife
How rational are you?
Ah I just that that's enough for me
Then you
You kind of found one
A very suitable knife for you
That is
Yeah, that's rational.
It's a lot like abroad, whether it's abroad or at home
After they started collecting knives
They will go crazy to collect their favorite knives
Can't stop
It's the same with Biubiu and Yay.
Right.
Yes, not for daily use.
More likely, I like it.
He has that kind of collector's fetish, right?
It's when I see that I like it.
I like them all
Take it
Possession is that
Then I talk about making knives
In fact, it can be said very, very long.
Can I say it?
Ah okay
And the first thing I didn't like about knives
But those weapons
Ah!
Then why do you like weapons?
Is it because it's not in the nature of boys?
Oh yeah but with pu
I have more contact with most boys
It's because of my dad
He's a Taichi master OK
I was growing up
I have been exposed to that traditional martial arts a lot
OK
Then there will be a martial arts hall in our hometown.
And then...
There will be all kinds of weapons in the martial arts hall
Then I can play with it all
Then uh uh
Then I also
My dad also used to tell me things about them, uh
For example, those things that are very Jianghu
For example, some people come to the so-called dojo storm
To learn from this
I was very attracted to that culture
Me too, when I was little.
Same for me
Right, right.
Then my dad would teach me some
Like, uh, how to do that kind of defense?
Including some skills in some competitions
And I loved it.
Because as a boy
And I started when I was in elementary school.
I drew my own knives.
OK
What was it drawed at that time?
OK
That kind of long sword or that kind of big knife in China?
In addition, there were those TV dramas in the early days of China
It's kind of like the wind and the cloud dominates the world
Then those knives in them are so handsome
OK
And then I went from there
The ones I drew first
And I would draw.
Draw to the back
I started adding some of my own
To their own elements
And that was an opportunity.
And I started from there.
Well, then it broke at the back.
OK
Because when I was in The States, I studied business. Hmm.
Hmph, but I originally wanted to study design
Yeah, but my dad would say, yeah.
It's hard for me to help you if you learn design.
To provide you with some of your own resources
And I listened to him.
I went to read the injury
Then don't you regret it?
There will be a little bit more or less
Well, because I feel like I might be drawing.
Because I'm not completely
I didn't learn drawing systematically.
OK
I draw a lot from my own inspiration
Then I don't make drafts either
Just take a pen and start drawing by yourself
And when I draw, I can get into what they call flow.
Oh of course
I could draw for hours, non-stop.
Then a lot of drawings are drawed with that point
Well one by one
Yeah, one by one
Then form a drawing
That was when I was in high school
It was because of the high school I was in at the time
It's an international high school.
Well, then there is an art teacher
But you don't know
You have to draw, you can still learn it now
It's not too late
You can also go to class by yourself
Learn by yourself
Well, because I also study finance.
My university is also in finance.
Then listen to dad for this
I went to study finance
Then we have a lot of things, it seems hahaha.
But I don't think I regret it. Hmm.
Ah, whether it's my investment banking experience
Whether it's me, these things are hard
OK
Very tired
And that's helpful.
Well, no matter what field you enter in the future
There's a lot of help.
Well, I don't think I regret this at all.
I can now if I drive
For example, if I open a jujitsu studio
Yeah, those are helpful.
Well, I know that too.
What does my income statement look like?
I know these things very well
Well, these are the skills I've had all my life
Well, then if I want to learn to draw
I want to learn jiu-jitsu
Learn whatever you want
I can learn
It's not too late, is it?
Yeah, like when you asked me if I had any regrets
And there was a pause.
Oh, dear.
That was my first reaction.
Not regret
I might be
I feel like I missed an opportunity to develop this skill.
At that time
But I can pick up this skill myself later.
You can also make up for it.
And then another miracle?
After I graduated in the United States
I joined a domestic company
Hmm that
That company makes knives.
Very, very pure paper for knives.
OK
And then...
Well, I was helping them from the early days
Very Chinese kind
Well, the kind of OEM company that takes goods and labels them.
OK
And then help them transition to being that kind of independent brand
That's when I started working in that company in 2018
Then help them from the early domestic OEM until now
Our company should have more than 20 distributors.
Wow great
Yes and then include those bigger dealers like the US
Uh-huh.
Yeah
Or maybe
It's already done, I think it's done
More mature
Then I helped them pick up some
I helped them develop it
I helped them build the DLOR line
Then uh
Help them with foreign designers
The first time I tried to cooperate, eh?
And then they built the factory.
Then help them process it.
The OEM line has also been established.
Then behind
I think, hmm.
I'm almost ready to go out and try it myself.
Because he will be limited in the company.
He frames a lot of my ideas.
Because in fact, during your time
During the period of 1819
America says
The US market is very sensitive to the knives produced by China
I'm a little despised
Because of those knives produced in China at that time
Many American markets will say this is not good.
This stuff is too cheap.
This material is not good.
I remember that time really
Everyone says Chinese Knipe SOCK
Forever only stay
Just stay on the budget knife
Right, right, and now you look.
Whether v nice
VV, these are really high-end good design brands.
Really make it
They are the first tier
And before that
When I did it in 18
Vlive was already showing his edge
So I have a lot of patterns.
Will refer to them
Yeah and then didn't expect
Because how to say
early
Because Chinese brands have entered the US EDC market
It should have only started in 1415. Hmm
Then a WeKNIFE came out.
And a lot of their models tend to be a little more westernized.
Then abroad, uh
I got up all of a sudden
Uh-huh.
Then it accounts for a very large market share
Then let those in the United States also
People in this community
Start recognizing
Some domestic, er, high-end brands
Then so slowly
There will be some, uh, foreign knife players
It will be against domestic knives.
There will be a uh
The shift in thinking is right
But you said those who despise will always be there.
Definitely right
And there's only one side to it.
It is also more despised
Yes, MADE in China
It's not a very good one in America.
Always
Right.
But I also see a winning life
At that time
From a comparative budget
And the middle range
Then start making high-end um
When you see this process
What do you think?
Can I do this?
Everyone defines you as a comparative budget
Or midrange
Uh-huh.
Something that suddenly starts to do well
Hmm expensive stuff
Then everyone said he
Can he transfer this?
Hey, really turn it out
Now we live quite a bit
No, budget, expensive life
They're all out.
I don't think it's easy
Well, maybe when it came out
It's budget life abroad
But in China, they are already considered high-end
High end
Their starting point in China is high-end IC.
Mainly attacking some titanium alloys
Then use some higher-end steel ICs
Then they start
I will cooperate with foreign designers
So the way they entered that market
It's very much in line with the idea of Westerners
It goes well with them.
Just went in
Plus their marketing activities
This piece is very, very well done.
I think so myself
So, uh
Including them going to the exhibition every year
Right.
Including being the sponsor of the exhibition
OK
This is very significant for their brand
Uh, good stuff.
Then they talked to Bree
HQ is going to establish a very close connection?
These are all they can do uh
One of the reasons for this situation
And then these things
It's all what domestic brands can't do, I think
Why do you think they can't do it?
Because I don't think this is very important.
It just takes one person.
Is to push
Like what?
I have a knife. I am
Ÿ we Banter
I love that we Banter
Well, it's Ben Peterson
Oh, that's right.
That we Banter
As soon as he came out
I keep watching Ben Peterson.
Been reading those reviews of blade HQ
Well then
When Ben Peterson got out of that knife
I said I had to buy it.
No, I just have to.
Must buy
The blue one is Ben blue
I've always liked that
Oh so I know
That um
Ah, in fact, as soon as he came out at that time
I bought that knife
Well, I'm sorry I lost it, hahaha.
Yes
I loved that one.
OK
I like this guy too
I'll take it then.
But it's also v nine
Well, then they are second behind
That MINI
It's called Mini Banter.
Yeah, and then savivi
It's theirs.
Compare budget budget brands
Right
Oh I like it
And I thought, wow.
He made a smaller one that fits the human body better.
I feel
Yes yes great
OK
But they just found these
People who are more popular in the circle
Well, they teamed up to say
I'll help you make a knife you want to make
And Ben Peterson spent a lot of time designing it.
What about the design?
There was a webanter
Hmm and now this
The whole thing is done with WeKnife Civivi
I think what you said is difficult.
Do you think it is not difficult?
Well, but I find it difficult.
It's hard to change their mindset
Well, it's the kind in China that does this category.
That kind of brand
Their own kind of mindset
Change is hard.
Because I know it myself
Many people started to do this category
They were working in factories in the early days.
Well, it's Yangjiang
They were the first
Maybe it's to help some of these industries abroad.
do OEM
Right.
So, uh
They don't want to be that person.
The first person to eat crabs
OK
But
Uh vnife their boss himself is young
Then I heard
I heard it seems to be an English teacher or something.
So his ideas will be more refined
Then the pattern is also very large
So he tried a lot.
Then every attempt
Well, it's the first time a Chinese brand has done it.
But for foreign brands
This is a very common thing
Right.
Cooperation, including those contracted to design
So he just took that foreign model.
Move to China
That's what I'm saying.
I think this is normal.
You just have to find someone with a big following
And say, hey.
Your fans will want to see ABCD.
Then I'll help you do ABC.
Then you get the first one.
It's just us working together
I think this is a natural thing
You can't
Just need one
Yes, it's a mindset
It's hard to understand that
Yes, and then when I did it myself before
I have also tried to contact the factory in Yangjiang.
Because I think they have the strength.
They have machines.
OK
In fact, it is possible to cooperate.
Then I can come up with a design.
But they will say
Wow, I don't want to be my own brand.
Uh-huh.
You see, for example, v life
They were so successful.
Do you know how much money they spent?
Also a lot
Yes you know they spent on this
Say you don't have hundreds or thousands of w
Don't play this.
They think so
But I have contacted a lot of foreign countries because of me.
Those personal
That kind of small brand
Or a studio
They could just be one person
Right
In operation
All do it like this
That's right, why don't you want to?
OK
Yeah, I read them too.
Yeah, I understand that.
Because I think a lot of people here think
If you want to make this thing
You need to go big.
Then I don't think you want to go big.
You have many mid-sized industries
However, medium-sized enterprises can do small
You only have three or four people in the medium size.
Yes, yes, yes.
If there is this brand
You can be super big
But you can support a family
You can support a dozen employees
No problem, I don't think it's a problem at all
But I sometimes feel a lot when I am in China.
They say you're going to do it.
You want to be a party
You have a lot to do.
Then keep throwing money
No need.
Because domestic people will think that only by going big can they make money.
want
I don't think so.
Yeah, but, uh
Now.
And I think it's starting to happen.
Well, just a few small teams.
Start building a brand
But for the people at the Yangjiang factory
I understand.
They thought it was completely impossible.
Hmm, how am I?
Three or four people, a small team
To internationalize this brand
want
They think it's impossible.
OK
But there are so many cases
You can't turn it around even if you show them so many cases.
Not so many cases
domestic
Not in China
No, but you can see a lot abroad.
They can't see it.
But can you show them?
They don't want to look.
It's in their mental framework
This thing just can't get in.
Well, if I can get in, I can understand
But
This thing can't get into their frame.
Uh-huh.
So that's it.
This might also be an opportunity for me to come in
I think it's an opportunity
I would like to do it this way
Because I saw, well, someone doing that.
Or rather
No one in the country has really started to do this yet
Some people abroad do this
But no one in the country has really started doing this yet
Hmm so I think
I should try something at this time
That's why I have my own brand.
Then I didn't want to be big
I didn't want to frame myself in one place either
Right
The way I want it to be
During the year
I work half the time
I have half the time to feel more inspired
Yeah, for more inspiration.
This thing can't stop
Well then I spent a year and a half before
I'm framing myself at home
Draw every day.
That one
Then very useful
Right
Because I hadn't learned that kind of drawing stuff before.
Ah, then I have to learn it slowly by myself
Then I held it back for maybe two years
Then I made it
Two designs
OK
One is this intro.
Yes, the other one is a small straight knife.
Then its name is detril
It's actually your trail
That's the trail. That's the trail
Hmm I want um
There's an inch in front
Then you next you have to make sure
The road you want to take
Well, it deters
Then this road might lead to RDH.
It goes something like this.
Understand?
Yes, yes, yes.
So it's, like, really, like a song.
It has its ups and downs.
Well, and then including my logo is the same.
It's -- it's actually that edge of Horseshoe Bay.
Oh.
It's abstract. It's not concrete at all.
Ah!
That's the edge for him.
This logo has been
But OK.
That grand Candy?
Yeah, but I didn't.
I have never been to this Horseshoe Bay
Oh, so is grand Candy
He is you to the edge of that Grand Canyon
That's the edge, right?
That's where inspiration comes from
OK
Because of me
You also seize this time
Because I don't know when to send it.
Started to happen
As far as he knows now
Not so popular anymore
I don't know when it started.
And now you know it.
Just everyone is a little straight
You go to see Internet celebrities and now they are all pushing small straights
Just feel
I have to have a Fixplay on me now
Rather than opening one by one
It can be switched on and off.
Maybe it started in the past year or two
But now everyone is.
Hahaha
I don't know why.
Have you ever considered
I didn't think about it.
I didn't notice
Just say now
i
I've been following
But I'm not feeling this trend.
It's just that I feel it's crazy
Oh, now.
Because when I was doing it before
That little straight knife has always been popular, really
Then I always thought everyone liked it
Have this action
Then there is listening to this feeling
OK
For a while I thought everyone liked one
It may be because there are many people doing it until now.
Oh, dear.
And then...
What you see
Is that what everyone wants you to see?
Hahaha
Yes, including small straight knives.
It's easier to process.
Then it is actually more convenient to carry
OK
Is it more practical?
I think a lot of it is because of this
Outside, this hike, this group of people started up.
Do you mean domestic or foreign?
And then because a lot of people like this kind of hiking now.
Or the old bushcraft you said.
Well now
People think
I'll take a handful. This doesn't seem to fit
Right? You have to turn this on and off.
If this joint inside is bad
It may not be easy to take it out.
But now everyone is playing a fixed game
It feels like there's nothing bad.
OK
I I
I will not understand
I don't quite understand
That everybody understands.
Yes, there is something
Like uh
For example, everyone is popular with knives now
I might not design it just because people like it.
Oh, that's right.
I may be at this stage
I need to design one
Uh-huh.
Then I will design
No, I don't.
Be taken away
Well that's like
For example, like incho.
Its toughness
Yeah, I like that tough round
Very, very round.
Yes, why?
It's because I see most of the knives
They all have their heads pointed.
Ah, that's right.
And aggressive
OK
Ah, I don't like it.
It's just that I don't like that myself
A very aggressive knife
Well then
But everyone thinks
knife
It should give people a very sharp feeling.
OK
And this is when I first started branding.
I got a little cocky.
What I want to do is different
Well, if you all make pointed ones, I'll make round ones.
Hmm, I don't know why it's round.
I just want to be different from you.
OK
i
I seem to have had this awareness since junior high school
I just want to be different from others
Whether it is from wearing
Or what if everyone did it?
I won't do it
Right.
That's who I am
Oh.
Do you know why I think you want to be round?
OK
I like round ones.
I think it works really well with that belly.
It's because it's convenient to open the box.
Hmm, that is, you don't need to use a pointed one.
Well, it's very comfortable to bake with that round one.
Hmm, so I opened the box.
I like a little bit of roundness
Down there.
Well, because he is like this, you can just pull it away.
Instead of pulling like this with that tip
It's still different
Don't you think it would be more convenient to use the tip?
I like having that belly
Because of your tip
It will wear through the contents.
Right, right, right, right.
That's why I like that belly over there
The round one?
Just compare
I won't break the contents of the box inside. Hmm.
Because I didn't mean it completely at the time, did I?
Ah, it's round.
Part of the reason is
I made this knife at that time
It's to fit your cut outdoors.
Say you want to be on the chopping board
Hmm, cut something yourself
OK, you can have a try then.
Well, he'd be comfortable cutting things with it.
It's because his soft one can cut the whole thing.
Raise that line a bit
OK
You cut like this
The usual toughness
When frying, you need to cut it like this.
But if his blade is higher
You can lift it up a little like this.
But I don't
I never lift it when I use a knife
Cut up and down like this
Well, I don't think it's comfortable to cut like this.
Chopping vegetables, I never eat vegetables
Ahahaha
I always eat meat.
So I thought this was a little uncomfortable.
OK
OK
But that's what I had in mind.
Yeah, that's right.
At the time, I thought it should be done
I follow my own
I think I've already come out and made my own brand
Right.
Why do I
It's not designed at all according to your own wishes
That's what I should have done.
OK
But haha
Uh, unfortunately
After this knife was evaluated abroad
He didn't receive a, er, very good feedback.
Uh, feedback?
Yes, people will think that my toughness is too much
Too passing
Ah!
As far as people are concerned, you will still generally think that you are a little pointed.
The pointed one will work better.
Hmm interesting
Just this thing.
It's deep.
Yeah.
Then take a look at my knife
It feels round.
Not that threatening at all
I'm the one who feels pissed off
OK
Everyone will think
Well, it doesn't have to be.
Just want
In fact, his toughness is quite special
Just me.
He -- he has a very special kind of resilience.
But because of the inherent thinking
That's what it looks like.
But so you know
The kind on a lot of boats, sailors
OK
Their knives are round
Well, they don't have a point
Most of them are round.
Because it's coming.
Just cut the rope
OK
So they never needed a pointy thing.
Well, they're always round. That's how it's cut.
OK
It's like this on many boats
This shape
Yeah, but that's a tiny minority of people.
Including very few pairs of knives in this community
They themselves because of the
Guns are more closely related
So you, this thing
Does he need to have that kind of attack attribute?
OK
So you might expect to see
It's all that sharp feeling
Right.
Yes, and then my current design
Hmm, would you match some of their feedback?
Just look at the next one more min.
No min, but from the function, I will refer to it.
I'll refer to the advice they gave me.
Yeah, but the advice is still the same.
I don't like it when you give me direct advice
Yes, I hope you can give me advice. I can digest it myself.
If I can fully understand
Well, maybe that's why I do it.
want
Then because I do it alone
I know my abilities are limited
OK
So at that time, through a knife friend abroad
I met another domestic brand
And they were just getting started.
Well, what about the host?
I used to play a hand in the band
OK
Then but others are in Yangjiang
Well, he's familiar with the whole palace over there
And they were branding themselves.
And I tried to work with them.
And that includes January 24 of this year.
OK
The Vegas sale
Ah to you
You will go to the dunes.
Yes, we'll go to the dunes.
I've always wanted to go. I've never been.
Every time I see this, this, these videos
I feel it all
All the same
I really want to go.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Yes, I can not buy it.
I can walk around in it day by day
All day long
How many days do you do it?
I just want to go for a few days
But I can't go because of visa issues.
Visa, yes.
Then uh go over
Didn't I say we contacted in June?
Then I said at the time that I would come to Shanghai in September
The time has been delayed since then
Design at home
Then I will help them come up with a batch of designs
Then put it on that sale.
OK
At the same time, I would like to try to cooperate more.
To bring some of my own ideas to life
To make it happen
Including in fact
Well, just talk about the culture of EDC
It's just that this name has only been available for so many years now.
But you said that the culture of carrying a knife with you
In fact, whether it is China
In fact, every ethnic group has it
Including China?
There may not be many Han Chinese.
Yeah, but you're like a Tibetan Mongolian.
My friend is also from Qinghai.
Yeah, so they have this culture of knives.
Then this culture is not, uh
The relationship between people and tools
Especially the Tibetan side
Then this knife could be a status symbol for them
OK
Or when they grow up, they're given a knife.
like this
OK
Then I have an idea of my own later
I wanted to make a documentary.
Go to these different uh
Among ethnic minorities
To understand the culture in which they use this knife
Well, what does their EDC look like?
And they would love it
I will definitely watch
How are they made?
And I wanted to combine their stuff.
Then put those elements
Add it to my own design
Yeah, and, yeah, I don't want to be very commercial.
I just want to make it more refined
I don't know what I'm capable of now.
Can you make it exquisite?
Well, I was just thinking about myself
Do it!
But then I said it out loud.
The brand I work with
They wanted to make it more refined
Or more
More documentary
Be more formal
The kind of humanities
That includes the visual aspect.
Try to pull it higher
OK
Because I watched that documentary more in the early days
But I
The method I thought about before is very real to record
No, there are not too many things added.
But it's still there.
It's still in the idea stage.
Then I might try to go next year to uh
Transform it into something that
Uh uh what to say
Next year I will try to start next year
Do it.
Some early planning will be done
OK
Do you think you haven't done it yet?
What do you think of their EDC?
What's the difference with ours?
No difference.
No difference.
It's just that I think there is
i
I'm guessing too
Because I don't know.
Well, I think the current EDC culture
Is to express one's personality
It's at the watch, it's the same as wearing it and getting a tattoo.
Well, it's just me who asked me to take this picture
Took my wallet watch and knife camera this morning
Whatever I brought with me today
These things are an expression of my lifestyle
Well, then I think EDC is what you shoot well.
So many people will like it
But just show me
of
What do you need for daily life?
And what's important to me?
OK
Ah!
Most
I think at least the EDC culture abroad is like this
Just to show I need ABCD every day
Well, then there's a little bit of beauty to these things.
So I take a picture
OK
And I said -- I said there was no difference.
Is it because um it
The function it gives itself is still
The same, of course, that is to use and then include
Do you want to send love with goods?
Well, just put some of your own uh
The emotion is attached to the object.
Well, I think the big picture is the same.
But as for their side, it is
This is in the culture.
Yes, this is the knife.
I don't care who you are, this knife
It will probably look like this.
Well it's not like I'm going out and buying a knife myself
A knife that fits my personality
Well, I think it's different.
Theirs is this.
You don't care who you are, this knife is just like that
Then we are more um selective
Well, I'll buy whichever knife suits me better.
Yeah, I think that's a pretty big difference.
Or because
Well, this has something to do with culture, right?
It's from their country.
They use knives
May rely more on the traditional style
Or the decorations used above.
The lines may be more traditional.
Yes, abroad.
Well, they innovate more
No matter from the, er, style, structure, material, etc.
Are different
Include purpose
Hmm, they will divide it very, very finely.
This is also because of domestic
He slowly
Slowly, the habit of using knives started from the early days
People don't have this habit anymore
Or the culture is weak
He's light. That's right.
Therefore, there is no such thing as abroad.
So many.
With adversity
Is that right about these styles?
OK
So I think
They use it a bit like ornaments.
Just not one
Just a representative of something
Instead of
I often take this knife out for use
That
That's not what I want to focus on doing a documentary
OK, because I buy that kind of decoration myself, it's very decorative.
Strong, including the domestic Longquan kind
They are also very decorative
But that's not what I want to do in a documentary
Something I want to collect
OK
What I might want to collect are those real
Like herders?
Ah, or those like Guizhou.
They're farmers who live outside.
Or those who actually use minorities
The kind they actually use. Hmm.
Not refined, right?
But that's something they can really take with them.
Things you use every day
Right.
And those things
Maybe it's just something I want to dig up
that
After these things are excavated
Nana
Like, you know, things that are more decorative.
Those elements
Well I extract it
Add to this
No.
Then add on
Well, the so-called structure of foreign EDC
Well, with the materials
That might give birth to a
I agree. I totally understand.
I want it myself
OK
The DH I eventually want to make myself
Uh-huh.
It looks like this.
Yeah, that's right.
Including uh
The EDC you mentioned earlier.
This is America's EDC.
Well, it's mainly the United States
Because Europe and the United States
Still not the same
Then talk to the domestic EDC.
Well, it's still developing
I think there are still some differences
There should be a big difference
Well, the current EDC in China.
Including your search on Xiaohongshu.
If you search for EDC, they may come out except for knives.
And some small toys
OK
Like what?
Push the card, yes
Fingertip spinner
OK
He has the properties of a toy
Right
Then the bottle opener
I don't think there are many
It's more functional to open a bottle opener.
But you push cards.
Fingertip spinners, snapping arms
It's just for fun.
The kind of thing you play with every day
Ah-ha.
In America, I don't think it's that way.
That's right.
Is it popular? No.
People won't say oh
I carry a little toy out everyday
This red neck
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Won't you do this?
But their young people abroad
OK
Ah, they might like some of this
Uh domestic like
Hmm, toys like EDC
I came into contact with it myself
Then they might like the two-dimensional culture.
Well, they'll have a little more.
Well, the tool attributes are not that strong
But they like that little
But it's a delicate one.
Well, it's a very delicate kind of thing.
Then it will be more fancy outside
Then the functions are more fancy
Then bring some uh
Take industrial style.
Or mechanical wind
Hmm and then
Uh, the European one.
Very European kind
The retro kind
Textured
Right.
They put a lot of effort into decorating
A lot of work goes into the materials
want
But I'm not willing to use that kind of knife
want
I have to use it.
Yes, if this thing doesn't work
What am I doing with it?
So
It gave rise to this domestic EDC culture
This is it.
Its decorations
It's very decorative.
Then the practicality will be weakened a lot
I don't even want to use it.
OK
My knife is 3,000 yuan
I'll buy a high-end titanium knife.
I don't even want to scratch it into a carton.
After really scratching, the tape on the carton
It will stick to your blade.
I'm going to take a long time to clean it up
Hahaha, it can't be cleaned up well.
There'll be a scratch on my blade
Wow, it's so hard to see
Hahaha
So I was thinking, what am I going to do?
The kind that I want to do that is practical.
I'm still going to do that
Well, it's more decorative.
Then I will return to myself
I don't like those fancy things myself.
I don't really like it either.
Yes, including my clothes.
I don't like to wear that kind of color a lot
Then I don't have any logo on me.
OK
I don't like to put that big logo on it either.
Same, I want to weaken the logo as much as possible.
Like Chris Reeves' knife
I don't need to see the logo.
I know it when I look at this knife shape
Just know it's right.
That's what I'm trying to do.
I think your intro is obvious.
Few knives look like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it was difficult.
One point
You're going to do something new.
But his acceptance of this thing is not high
Uh-huh.
But I want to rely on this thing to live
Go make money
It's hard. Do you know what you need?
broker
I think
Every company needs two
One is for design.
One is a businessperson
Yeah, that's right.
Then if there are two of you
A money manager
One tube design
Sometimes you get torn
Just sit over there
But you have two
That's what you do.
You just keep drawing.
Then I've been selling here.
It's OK, right, right.
I see too many companies fail here.
Myself I discovered something I'm not good at
I'm not good at it
Well, communicate with many people with different perceptions
I have a hard time
OK
For example, we can talk
I wish there was a channel between us
Well, I may only be able to talk to people in this one channel.
I can communicate well.
But unlike other channels
You asked me to communicate, it's hard for me.
I'm missing this skill.
Well, even though I studied communication
But because I had no communication at all
How old are you?
My '93
93.
I found that
OK
I don't know when it started.
Young people say I'm not good at communication
Then use I am introverted as an excuse
Hmm, I see it too much
OK
In fact, I think it is because of communication now
The barrier to communication with people in different fields is high
Yeah, that's your language.
Your communication style is very different
Well, it causes you to need to study for a while.
You can communicate with them
Whether it's a cultural failure, whether it's a generation gap, whether it's a lot of thresholds over there
It's tiring, but communication is the most important thing
Communication is the most important thing
If you don't communicate
You can't communicate with people in other fields.
You will always have problems
Because what they can see, you can't.
It's true. It's true.
Well I'm not saying I'm not good at communication
Yeah, I can communicate pretty well actually.
OK
That's just to say that communication to me he's a skill
Yes, tired.
That's just saying
What kind of person would I rather communicate with?
There are some people you have been communicating with for a long time.
I will be very tired
Well, I would be reluctant to continue communicating.
So would I.
Yeah, but some people
Like I can talk to some friends
Drinking from 9pm
It's not enough to talk until 5am
Ah, that's right.
Are you saying I'm not good at communication?
I'm definitely not.
But I have to find something that I'm comfortable with.
Is this the way to communicate?
But you asked me to connect with the factory owner.
I can also talk for four or five hours
I can also sit on my butt all afternoon
But after chatting
I need to rest.
I may be the day after
I don't want to say a word
Yes, I understand.
Like every time you drink too much
That's what it feels like.
You know what?
So tired
Yes, yes, yes.
So I don't think I'm good at communication.
Is it this point?
Well, it's not that I don't have this ability.
Yes, but one is very enjoyable.
One is very uncomfortable
Hmm that
I might prefer
Stay in a more comfortable area.
But you have to go to the uncomfortable area
Yeah, but now I do.
Because I know I started my own business
Hmm, so that's a skill I need to master.
Yes including me my dad
He is a businessperson himself
OK
His skill is very strong
Their generation was different from ours since childhood
I used to adore my dad
He is very skilled in all aspects
And he's done many, many different things.
Uh field
The field is before him.
When Young
My dad started learning martial arts when he was a child
OK
You said yes.
Early learning Nanquan
Well, then I learned Tai Chi.
Tai Chi later won a lot of medals
Then he became the referee
Yeah, and that's one of his identities.
And then he's a firefighter at the same time
Early firefighters
And then, uh
Became
Uh entrepreneur
OK
So his titles are many, many
Including my dad
And then my dad started dancing.
Did you see him dance before?
Martial arts is similar to dancing, isn't it?
Yes, yes, yes.
As long as the body moves
Yes, he can dance to
Not a hobby
He can, for example, go to Hangzhou.
Or go to Beijing.
Go to the big stage
He can
These are all his hobbies
But every interest he has
You can do something. Come out
Rather than just a hobby
So this is the place I envy so
Yeah, but yeah.
You see him doing well in every way
Then the communication skills are also very strong
But I saw another side of him
It will be very tiring
Really tired so tired
But I don't want to
I also envy his abilities
But I don't want to be like him
Hahaha, I don't want to be as tired as him either.
And you know what?
But do you think he is tired?
He... he enjoyed it.
Ah very
He enjoyed his titles.
Right.
Because those titles also achieved him for him
The current one.
This year is different
But a few years ago
Basically, I have been in China for a while
OK
my
Mine is full every week
You can say me.
I'll do jiu-jitsu on Monday and Tuesday
Rock climbing on Wednesday
Go boxing on Thursday
Closed on Friday
Maybe dating
Or go out and play.
Do a search.
Saturday archery
It's full every day of the week
Morning in the gym
Work at night
Then have hobbies in the evening
Many of my friends will tell me
Why are you so tired?
Hahaha
Why are you so tired?
But I didn't feel tired.
Yes, yes, no, just not feeling tired.
I every once in a while
It's packed every hour and a half.
Or know what the hell I've been doing for half an hour
Well, look at my calendar
It's all thump thump thump
One block at a time
And they're like, "Oh, my God."
Don't you rest?
OK
I-I'm taking up a hobby.
Is this a break?
Yeah, but they said you
Is rock climbing really a break for you?
Yeah.
And I really enjoyed it.
Every time I go to the gym
I have friends again
I'm making progress again
For various benefits
Just this time
Although you think the line is full
There's absolutely no time for anything else.
But I'm full
It's all because of what I love to do
Things are right
So I didn't feel tired.
I don't feel unhappy.
I actually think I'm happier than you are.
OK
Because you watch TV and sleep after get off work every day.
Well, I
I am full of hobbies
Yes, yes, yes.
So I think it's worth it.
I think
Your dad might be thinking in this direction
Well, I have more time to do what I love to do
That's right.
In fact, for half an hour
If you give them your half hour
If it is listed in a table
That's what I do
I'm doing what I love.
Right.
Then what are you going to do?
Is it half an hour or ten minutes?
Or an hour?
It's like I'm sitting for half an hour.
Half an hour.
I sat for a total of 5 hours
OK
That's my kind of thing.
Then it can also be equal to the 5 hours I walked
Said my body was suffering
That kind of pain?
That's right.
But I'm doing what I love.
Right.
This thing
I just think I'm enjoying it.
You don't understand.
You don't understand
I was hitchhiking
OK
hitchHiking in the country
Oh OK
It should be safer in China
I don't know.
It's safe. It's safe.
That was interesting.
It's very interesting.
Before I wanted to hitchhike because I saw it
Uh, a Chinese traveler named Gu Yue
Well he's from he's also in America
But he is Chinese
Hmm, abc, it seems
He hitchhiked from China to Germany to meet his girlfriend
Haha cool
Hahaha wow
And then...
That's the point where I wanted to hitchhike at the beginning
Just a set of deeds
After watching him
hitchhike to Germany
I said it can still be like this
in2014
Well, I'm back from the US on summer vacation
Then with my classmates in Yunnan
I said do you want to hitchhike?
yes
He said yes.
We designed a route
Wow
From within the country
Uh, Dali starts
OK, along the national highway is the beginning.
It really is.
Then it's two weeks all the way to Shangri-La.
Then give me all that feedback on the way
Very, very good.
That's what I haven't experienced
Maybe I walk six or seven hours a day.
I couldn't get a ride.
Right
There is, that is, I am already me
I had the most before
I seem to have walked more than 30 to 40 kilometers in a day
Wow
Can't get a car
Yeah, but wait till there's actually a car.
When he is willing to stop
That's it.
Really? That -- that felt like doing something else.
I didn't get it
Uh, never experienced that feeling
Very good very good
Then I met a lot of different people on the road
Interesting person
And then everyone
They will be happy to share it with you
Some of the things they experience on the road
Right.
Then we will also bring some
For example, they used to travel by themselves
For example, are we two?
Yeah, by the end of the day, there were seven of us.
Still 8 people
Cool!
Then you can't ride in a car
Right
But they'll start trying to get rides.
Right
Because they knew we hitchhiked all the way here
Right.
And they try to get rides.
But you let me do this now
It's like I won't do it
Yeah, why?
I didn't have the urge at that time
Well, it was very impulsive to do that at that time.
There is one
There's a strong kind of passion over there
It has to be done.
Execution is very important
But do it now.
You start to worry about these things
Then worry about those things
old
Are you getting old?
Yeah, I feel old.
Me too, when I was little.
Don't be afraid of anything let's go
OK
I think it's just getting older.
You think too much.
You have too many things to consider
Slowly there is no such thing
The process of walking away
But it feels good to just leave
My first hike was at grand Candy
Start at the top and go to the bottom.
That was my first hike.
That's what I don't know.
I don't know.
You want me to report this hike and see how to learn
How far is his journey?
How long will it take?
Classmate just say go
Go for a hike I said ok
It's a bit dirty anyway
So many hiking trails
Check it out.
Do I have to?
Then go
I don't know.
They say this is a novice route.
So I went.
It should be fine.
I'm not wearing anything either
I'm wearing a vest
There is a butterfly on the outside.
I'm leaving
Then I didn't bring so much food.
No water
No water
Water in the car
Well, but the classmate I was with
He locked the car keys in the car when he left
Then we basically
Your own water is gone.
I asked a friend for two bottles of water on the way.
Ah!
And then all the way because he was on top
You're going to the bottom of that valley
I was happy to leave that part
Good way back
But when you come back, you have to go up.
You're going up.
Hahahaha
Oh my god hahaha
And there's a long way to go.
Well, you won't see anyone on that road.
Then you will hear what your friend told you before
Kana, how many people die in a year?
How many hikers can't be found
Can't find it
Even root's body
I don't know where anyone is
Yes!
But I wasn't scared at all.
Uh-huh.
I knew I could walk up there.
You'll be able to get there.
Yes, yes, it must be there.
Yeah, I think the worst I could have been.
I can't move my feet anymore.
I'm a hand foot I'm a hand to lift my foot yeah yeah
Then go like this
And you keep going until it gets dark.
I can't walk anymore.
It's dark and scary
I don't have any equipment.
I don't have anything warm either
And he has a huge temperature difference.
Very big, very big.
Then I only have one paste bottom
And then in the morning, I took the paste off.
I'm wearing a vest
That's no problem because it's still pretty hot during the day
But when I put it on, there was a layer of skin on the back.
Ah, I didn't know that.
Haha, I don't know.
Right.
I felt an itch on my back, so I tore it off with my hand.
A layer of skin
I couldn't walk as it was getting dark.
Standing on the side of the road
Because the body has no energy
I didn't eat anything I didn't bring anything to eat
Right
It means that I have oxygen on an empty stomach, hahaha, it's too exaggerated.
Then I stood on the side of the road and asked passers-by for food
They gave me the bitter skin they made.
Then I have a little energy after eating
Continue to
After climbing, it's tasteless but cool
Addicted
That was the first hike.
OK
Then I went back to China for the next 14 years and started going hiking
Yeah, and that was the longest hike ever
Then slowly and slowly, I began to return
After returning to the United States, I will go to many places
Went for a hike
That's when I started to feel it
Yeah, it is.
Uh he
After he left too much
He will enter a state
You may not have this status.
People on foot, you can't explain that
I still don't know how to explain it.
It is.
I can say
A lot of my friends say exactly the same thing.
I'm not in this state either.
I am happiest
We were hiking.
And then I would occasionally stop and take a look.
The scenery is nice
I'm following my friend again.
Is this perfect?
I think this feeling is right
You are some of the closest friends around
Yeah, and then you do one more difficult thing.
I think the world is a beautiful place
Yeah, so every time I go hiking
It's all about a few really close and good friends
Then we brought food
Hmm again
I remember the last time we went, and I forgot where it was.
We climb a mountain
There is a reservoir on the top of the mountain
OK
We were really exhausted climbing up there
Then it should be ready for heavy rain.
But when we climb on it, so do my legs.
The back of the knee is particularly sore
And they put their feet in the reservoir.
Well, soak your feet.
Then five or six people were lying next to the reservoir
Alone
I have beef jerky. I have chips.
Then just drink water and eat a snack
Soak a few people and soak your feet over there
Right
Amazing feeling right now
You're harvesting that energy.
Back.
Return to the body
I think that feeling is very good
Yeah, that's why I like it.
A lot of people say it's bad for them to hike to stop
No, I'm just hiking to stop
Well, I just like being with my friends
Do a hard thing
I think a lot of you think social is
Yeah, you don't really love hiking.
You just like
Huan Lai social fine
But I just like to come
I'm coming with my friends.
And we did a very hard thing.
Then I'm chatting here
I was climbing a mountain.
So I am right
This thing is
Do a fun thing with a friend
It's hard for me to meet such a friend.
Yeah, not much.
Yeah, it is.
My friend said
I said go hiking.
Fucking walk for a day
Hahaha, are you crazy?
So tired
You want to talk to these climbers more
Hang out with the climbers
Haha no problem
Because I don't go much
Stop it
And then more often
It may or may be caused by my current situation
It's not that I don't want to
Well, maybe my current situation caused me to
Is this state
Yes but what I hope might be
Every week I can do something with my friends
Right
Yeah, it could be anything
Yeah, but yeah.
I hope to get closer to that kind of nature more
Then I recommend you.
I don't know if you and I are the same
Your schedule is full
No.
Then I recommend you.
Just carve out a little time for you to be there
No matter on the phone
In anything
You specifically put
Just say it's Friday at 10:00 pm
Just find this time to say
I want to follow
No matter who it is, just search
I really think this this frees me up
I saw it on my calendar
I have to fill this time
Then I might say hey on Monday
Why don't we do it at 10:30 on Friday?
I just fill this time every week
Then this time is dedicated
Left to one hand
OK
Very useful
Well, maybe I was thinking too much.
Great.
For example, like the first show
I want to do
I just make it very satisfying to myself
Well, I've tried to completely empty myself before.
Very free kind
Well, after I quit my job a year or two
Well, I started traveling alone.
Well, just follow the map of the country?
Not a map of China
Isn't it in the shape of a chicken?
Yeah, I went along the coast.
OK
This coastal city starts from Shenzhen OK.
To Huizhou and then to Fujian to Zhejiang and Shanghai
OK, follow that all the way.
Yes, always alone
I play alone
Then go to each different city
I will find local classmates or friends
Oh.
That's good. It's fun.
Played for about a month or two
Then I went to, er, Sichuan later.
Then go to Tibet
Well, then that whole state is unstable
But I loved it.
Then a person can go to the city with a bag on their back.
Go
What do you think?
Is it just a factor in the genes?
No no
Your dad didn't
My dad likes to party
Well I like someone
OK
I'm the kind of person who is alone or less crowded.
I draw a little more energy
Yes, but after more people
Because I may be more sensitive
After more people
I may have a lot of information to process
OK
I also like hiking because when I'm hiking
I may be alone
Well, then very simple
I don't have to think about so many things.
Then that feeling
It gives me the feeling of energy coming back
Yeah, I think it's a matter of time.
Do you want to eat real?
I think this is a purchasing agent.
Oh, this is so big.
They didn't have the internet before, so he
We need
Deal with little information
We have the Internet every day.
Information is limitless every day
Right
So we enjoy quieting them
Because there's not much information.
So they enjoy a little bit of fun.
I think it's a purchasing agent.
I think it's a change of time.
Rather than human
I had a time
I'm against social media
I was in the US for V years
I don't have Instagram.
I don't have Facebook.
No, and then I was at school.
They will ask me when they leave
He said hey, maybe it's because of my clothes.
OK
They will find it interesting
He said hey you're cool
Do you have your own uh
Social media can contact this
I said I didn't.
You look so young.
Why are you so old school?
He said why are you so old school
What old school
Hahaha why do you think I'm so old school
It's just that I was resistant to using those things at the time
I think
But now you have to use it.
Yeah, that's what I don't like about it.
It's hahaha.
It was because of work before.
I started using social media.
Yeah, go on Instagram.
To have more of that kind of connection with this society
But when I started doing it myself
It's like you were posting before you saw me in Xiaohongshu.
But I haven't seen a single one in all this time.
Yes, I noticed that before you came, I
I also went to take a look.
That's why.
It's not that I don't like it.
It's not something I'm going to do myself, it seems
OK
You need a broker
That's what I deliberately need to do
Yeah!
And that thing
You have already started your own business
You say you have
Come out and do what you want to do
Then you want
I'm going to do something I don't like
Isn't that contradictory?
Hahaha
Very contradictory. It's just
Can't play
It's good to be yourself, you're tired
But this is a problem with opening a brand
Yeah, it has to.
I know I chose the hard way
I'm thinking about all these things again
Let me handle it all by myself
But slowly I feel that I may not be suitable.
I didn't know until I did it that I might not be a good fit
Then try to find a solution.
Of course, you can also find a suitable partner
I think finding the right partner will relax a lot
Yeah, so you do what's right for you.
He does what is right for him.
When the division of labor is very clear, it suddenly
Yes, yes, so I'm fine now.
Uh, I
I found a comparison
A partner I feel I can talk to
Well, it's another brand.
Yeah, and then we're the same age, and then two kids.
OK, hahahahaha, and then long hair too.
Then maybe there will be a little feeling for music
Well, but their interests are quite different.
That he is completely
It's not coated.
But I also have that kind of strong outdoor plot
Ah, and this is
Then you pull him into your realm
He pulls you into his realm
Yes, yes, yes.
But our channel is open again.
So this kind of information is easy to exchange.
I totally understand.
Yeah, so now I'm thinking, well, I'm going too
If you want to change
You just try to have some movement
Well, go and try something.
Yes.
Maybe the result you want will come.
And don't just stop thinking about me forever
I've been thinking about it, oh, I think a lot.
But doing very little?
After finding out that you may only do it
He will have a feedback request.
And that feedback, good or bad.
But at least it's feedback.
Yeah, but yeah.
He might even let you
Go in the direction you want
I feel like this now
That's the state I wanted before
Maybe it's the state I wanted before
Is that me later?
Or the state you want now is not
Hey
Yeah, I was totally, totally right.
Well, I'm changing.
I can't be like
Like my previous thought was that I was going to be a uh
Globetrotter!
I'm carrying a bag myself, I'm going hiking
Go all over the world
That's what I wanted.
I am going to be a blogger
Then I thought it was totally fine
If you really want to
It is also possible.
Is he weak?
He fades. He fades.
Then don't think so
OK
Of course it's another way.
I have also traveled to many countries
I might be alone too
But I would add knives.
Then maybe I'll go to Central Asia after I finish my domestic tour.
Well, then I went to Europe. I went to Africa.
Every ethnic group actually has this knife
Cultural debt is correct
Back to America.
Hey, then I think it looks like this
Would be more realistic
I think then
I can also see some customs and practices in different countries
Then you can have your own uh
This business
Then there will be income
That's it, at this stage, I think it's fine
Right
And now I think I've thought enough
Yeah, OK.
It's called getting it right.
Then it will start from next year's sales.
Then slowly and slowly try to let me go first
Save that part
Funding to start this project
And I'm just going to start doing it one step at a time.
And this is the trail
That's the area.
That's the way.
It doesn't matter if it can arrive or not.
That's right, but I'm going in that direction again.
After you go down, the two of you
I want you both to come on the radio.
Chat for some enjoyment
Or this thing is starting to take off
You two come back in a while
The two of us, the three of us, can we talk together?
Yes, yes.
Yes, because after the sale
We still have an IW in Germany, right?
Cool Boy
When you're done, you're free.
Anytime welcome.
Yes, yes.
Yeah, right.
Because he he um
He actually thinks a lot differently from me
But we understand each other.
Yeah, that's interesting.
That's it, I think it can collide.
This, I think, is what can really collide with things.
We understand each other.
But there are some new perspectives
And then you can do fusion.
OK
That's good. That's it.
OK, okay.
We're almost there today.
Let me tell you about the brand again.
Then your Xiaohongshu
Let me tell you about that.
Don't introduce
I think if you are in this circle
I hope people will find me naturally
Hahaha
OK, no problem.
Don't want to promote
OK, come here.
See you.
Okay, bye.

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