BKP #350 [EN] Leon Hung, Adventurer Life

Leon has been around the world doing psychiatric therapy, but has been recently doing a lot of traveling/camping on motorcycles and going through life very differently from our normal Shanghai-er. Again check him out on Popcorn club as well as his new venture with regards to teaching and promoting mental wellbeing.

Episode Transcript

(00:11):
all right Leon welcome back
hey good to see you
I'm really happy that you are here
you've been on a lot of traveling so it's been tough to book you, how has that been going
I think I did ten adventures last year in total
like almost once a month
it's been crazy yeah
you how did long did it
take for you to get that motorcycle license

(00:34):
oh okay well
it's only been ah only to be like what two weeks
it's not that far it's not that far yeah
it's only two weeks because I actually
I I know how to ride a motorcycle yeah from China
so I already know the basics and everything so yeah
I just booked it and I go to the examination

(00:55):
you could do it in double language?
or it was only in Chinese
it's only in Chinese okay
it's only in Chinese but I mean like they're multiple choices yeah
they're multiple choice and most of them they have a little sign number yeah
like 40 and like okay well
this the maximum speed this wrote 40 oh right
you can common sense your way out of it actually

(01:18):
because riding a motorcycle especially in ShanghaI is really difficult I think getting the the license plate very difficult
the license plate is very difficult yeah
that's why I actually don't have the ShanghaI license plate right
if you notice
I didn't notice yeah
it's a license from zhejiang okay
zhejiang likes yeah
yeah cause like the huae one is like half a million it's so expensive

(01:40):
and they're so hard to come buy so
I'm not buying one yeah
absolutely
I'm not getting one oh
so I'm using the one from zhejiang yeah
if I get caught
it's like 200quaI each okay
so 200quaI versus half a million
yeah you know what not even
not even a consideration
yeah not even considerations
and you're not writing it all the time right
I almost write it everything actually
yeah

(02:00):
you almost write it every day yeah
if I get caught
I get caught it's all right
it's okay
it's okay it's a it's a what
it's it's probably the least risky thing about riding a motorcycle that's compared to other
that's true like we were just saying I'm terrified right
I'm terrified

(02:20):
I've been on like an electric scooter right
and some of them go very fast oh
yeah yeah
yeah
they're fast I once it gets to like 20 something
30 something I'm like
I'm not okay right
if anything goes wrong
there's some kind of wobble I'm done right
what am I doing right
right but this is a as I was saying like this is a really good mindset actually like riding with fear I think that's the best mindset like

(02:48):
I think last year for me the biggest lesson that I learned from all this adventure
is I love doing dangerous thing yeah
I always do it in the safest way possible
like I'd rather do dangerous thing in a safe way than to do savings in a dangerous way so having that mindset of fear it humbles you down
you know this is a really good mindset you would be an amazing rider

(03:10):
I would not because I can't get past the fear of getting on the motorcycle right
I think that takes a lot more time I think if I did enough training yeah
I'd be build up a confidence but then I might not be this scared like you know
I feel like there's like this balance of you know once you feel trained enough to do this then you're less scared

(03:33):
and you should be more scared yeah
but there's always uncertainty like riding a boat like there's always uncertainty anything can kill you on the road yeah
like a low paddles of rock
I know
or like someone who just didn't look and open the door and you crashing anything can kill you on the road
so that stuff happens even on a normal bicycle yes
so even on a bicycle I'm terrified every time I ride

(03:56):
if you're riding like 780 kilometers per hour no way
then I'm yeah
so that was one of the things that my mom told me never to do oh
okay the other one was go get tattoos and I've already gotten those
and the other one was like don't get on a motorcycle and I haven't done that and I don't plan to like that's not on the list but like for me riding a motorcycle

(04:21):
it's a very Zen experience because like when I ride motorcycle
I don't listen to music because I really do have to focus correct and like for example
a couple months ago I was doing island looping in Taiwan so I was traveling the whole and the whole Taiwan it took me about a week or so and I fail actually
I I didn't actually get to finish it because they got hit by one of the biggest ThaI food that I've ever seen in thirty years and I was trapped in the mountain okay

(04:48):
but anyway my point being is I I ride ten twelve hours a day there's no music it just me and the bike in the row so my mind is only focusing on you know my my vision
I'm looking at you know potential dangers I'm listening to the sound of the engine and you enter the state of reason yeah and you have a lot of time for thinking right

(05:09):
like you just have a lot of time or of thinking about a lot of stuff yeah
so for me like riding motorcycle I actually reduce my time of meditation in the morning oh
you have to yeah
because I have motorcycles so whenever I write
I just get into that that
state yeah of meditation and like just focusing on all the senses and everything that must be fantastic it's a great feeling yeah

(05:34):
it's an amazing feeling um a lot of people have said that the reason why our grandfathers or previous have better
mental state is because they didn't have headphones they didn't have all of the entertainment that we have
so they actually spent a lot of time just being bored and being bored requires your mind to think of something and it's often they self reflected a lot more than we do

(06:03):
because they just didn't have all of these distractions they didn't have television they didn't have atmosa at radio how long can you listen to the radio
for you know so very often they had time to just sit stare think and we don't have nobody has that time now speaking of
which like I want to go off topic a logo for this is talking about radio I feel like people replacing reading book so reading book to listen to podcast me

(06:32):
and I I actually realized that in myself too I used to read a lot but now like I'm listening to John b Peterson
hubberman I'm listening to all these people and I learned so much and yeah what's your take on it
do you think it's like replacing that this reading habit I I used to read when I was very young yeah

(06:53):
and then I quit reading for a very long time okay
I've tried picking up like paper books now and it's enjoyable for a little bit but I just find that I enjoy the audio version better
oh okay so you do audiobooks yeah
I do audiobooks okay listen to podcasts but I just it gives me more time right

(07:17):
so I can ride a bike and then listen to a podcast I can get on the metro and listen to a podcast and not worry about missing my stop
right right
right because reading a book
requires vision and very often you zone into a book and you lose I guess time and then all of a sudden like you look up and you're like three stops pass right

(07:43):
that happens a good amount right
so it's good to have audiobook that's kind of in your ear yeah
I don't absorb as much yes
I find that issue as well yeah how to focus actually
I get stimulated by other things and I got distracted I was okay well
what was it adorable
but I just don't have the time to be a hundred percent focused on that's why I don't watch a video like I don't watch video things I just listen to all of my entertainment is now just audio

(08:08):
oh I see I see what about you i
see that's a thing I I I also have a theory because I I work in a I used to work in a in a love
international school collaborative a love international school and I mess that there's so many kids nowaday with adhd yeah
and I I think that's the reason like I think we take information a lot faster than the older generation

(08:32):
because we have we can play on our cell phone while listening to podcasts
and while you're eating yeah back in our grandfather's generation they
they don't do that
they do one thing at a time so I think this is why it's not like the adhd as it's a defect
but I think they just taking information in a very different rate yeah
probably faster and they process things a lot faster and that's why they can do multitask to reach that capacity or else to get bought okay yeah

(09:00):
if they don't get that simulation they they get they get bored yeah
so I I think this is a thing and I see that in myself as well like now I'm like so do a little bit of multitasking listen to podcast while I'm like could be reading something like that
or like so you don't think it's good
I think it's different
I don't know if it's better or was I can see both pros and con here's how I see our parents actually

(09:25):
crave social interaction you'll find that their generation they enjoy going out and talking to their friends more they enjoy that kind of like热闹
my mom calls it hmm and it's because they never had to always be on call and our generation actually enjoys peace and quiet more because we're always on call there's always this stuff going on that when we have quiet

(09:55):
we're like oh this is nice
but their generation they're always quiet and they want something that's a little bit more noisy a little bit
so they're actually the really big reverse from us and that that line is always whenever the internet happened right
I feel like it too but because after the love traveling and most of time when I go travel I travel by myself oh

(10:21):
really okay
cause the way I travel I I go to new place very difficult I rent a motorcycle and I have a sleeping bag my tent with me yeah
and I'm just gonna be on the road for two weeks
half a month and every single day I'm just like sleeping in a ten yeah
so yeah sometimes I don't brush my teeth
it's hard to come by if I'm stuck in the mountain

(10:44):
I'll I'll try my best like right shower so who's gonna do that with me ten times a year
no
most people
not they'll do it one I think there you'll find friends that'll do like one or two with you yes
but there's no way that everyone's gonna do that have that kind of rate right yeah
right right
right so most of the time I do it by myself and whenever I come back

(11:04):
my friends would be like hey
how was the trip
it's amazing I saw your photo and I realized that I it's not like I don't want to share with them but I realize that even if I share it's a they they might not get it and cause they weren't there and
some of the experience is really hard to tell through language yeah
like that Zen state of like riding a motorcycle in for ten hours twelve hours that's almost like meditate for twelve hours a day yeah

(11:30):
for two weeks straight it's really hard to tell people hmm and also
I I I feel like when I'm doing all this adventure by myself I sometimes also get lonely but when I get back I feel like if I share those experiences it will ruin the moment that I have of myself if th
I want to surf that little

(11:51):
yeah that's just for me
that's just for me yes
that's just for me so yeah
it's weird I actually asked wanted to ask you do you even notice a lot of the scenery like if you're always focused on the bike the road like your so
and you're also talking to yourself on the inside like at some point like the scenery doesn't really exist to you

(12:12):
oh you you have to because when when you're
on the motorcycle
you do have to pay attention to everything uh
huh from low rocks to the wind to the temperature
the moist in the air because all those things actually do affect your bike performance
but then how often are you just like looking around and being like wow
this is fucking gorgeous oh yeah
I do then I'll try slow it then I'll yeah right slow down or I'll even like just stop stop

(12:36):
just tick it in just tick it because I have a roof for myself so like going back to like doing dangerous thing in a safe way I sell like several roof for myself yeah
um if I write for one hour I I set up alarm well
not set alarm but I'll just look at the clock like everyone hour I have to stop and take a break okay
good because like that's the thing about losing attention you didn't you don't know you lose attention until things tapped up yeah until like oh shit oh

(13:00):
I listen to this so this is the rule I for myself so every one hour I'll be like stopping so I'll be like looking for a place where okay
have a nice stop
yeah and chill and everything
so
that's great to hear because like I can imagine even just on a road trip with your friends like you see straight road so long that all of a sudden like you don't pay attention anymore

(13:22):
and that's how accidents happen
yes all the time you're just like bubble and you fall asleep whatever
like your brain just shuts down
and you didn't know until it happened right
until it already happened actually
usually when things end up
like oh fuck that up
yeah that's why I'm not and this is not for me
that's a set of rules for myself a set of rules when i
when I write like no music

(13:43):
no radio no parts
as a lifeguard when I was a kid
they tell you it's an hour on and then an hour off all the time you have to come off the chair after an hour
some place or half an hour okay
but it's okay
they force you because it's so peaceful sometimes that you're just you cannot it's physically impossible to keep that attention going yeah

(14:06):
so they tell you an hour on an hour off so it's always two or three lifeguards at time yeah
yeah it's just it's too hard to keep attention and being like how many people in the pool is you know
is anyone dropped like that kind of stuff is very important so I get it that I think that's a great rule do they teach you that in like motorcycle school
no but I I have a friend who had a lot more experience in adventure than I do so I learned a lot from that friend actually

(14:29):
got you
I learned so much from from that friend and also like on the road I meet other riders I meet other adventures and we'll talk we'll share because I do think often time adventure
we're lonely in some way because we're doing something that most people like you are crazy why are you risking your life?
why are you
that's how I'm thinking right all the time whenever you say this stuff

(14:53):
why are you doing this?
isn't that high phone
why do you why don't you go to the highway
why do you have to head back to the mountains
more dangerous
but it's more fun there
it's prettier
it's pretty it's more fun there and I don't want to take the safe route
if I'm taking 100 percent safe route I might start to stay at home yeah
so I'm taking a risk that I think I can handle it
it's sort of like the border

(15:15):
yeah the border of it
but I meet other adventurers and we'll share our experiences
what's a good tip that someone's given you
other than this like take a break every hour
I feel like that's a great rule
I think the best rule I had this doing the dangerous thing in a safe way

(15:39):
I think that includes a lot of things already
and it just changed my mind
and like that's why today I'm I'm wearing like motorcycle pants
it's only a while right but like that's the thing because I know what I'm doing dangerous thing
and just changing my mind on a lot of things
I think that's like the best rule
And a lot of things I learned from other adventurers,

(16:01):
it's like how lonely it can feel uh huh that that how to deal with that loneliness
because you're on the road and you take in all the experience all by yourself
and when you go home maybe don't wanna share and also when I'm on the road even if I miss my friends
I don't call them
I don't I don't contact with them oh
I think that's great

(16:21):
that's a good idea
yeah yeah
because I'm doing this because I want to live like a different lifestyle
like just for a little bit
just have a different life if I'm still on on my phone
you're not there
I'm not there
I'm not I'm not enjoying
I'm not being in the moment
so I just go off grid
like you can't really find me
and actually it's like some of some of the time like last year during August

(16:46):
I went to a desert near near inner Mongolia okay to watch the meteor shower
okay
go off the grid for three days there's no signal in the desert as well
there's no signal in a lot of inner Mongolia
yeah and a free day it was lonely actually like three days it's lonely
because it's just all by myself
do you know what

(17:06):
so I've been to inner Mongolia
and I think the thing that freaks me out the most is that it's so hard to find
I guess placeholders or your direction right
because everything's just flat and green or like flat and like desert
and all of a sudden you're like I don't know which way is what

(17:28):
and I don't know where I came from and you just feel kind of lost
right because there's no sense of direction
there's no point of reference
yeah no point
exactly the point of reference like okay
this is the reference
and then all of a sudden I can imagine what like pirates felt like
because the sea is just flat
yeah and all of a sudden you're like I'm I have nowhere I have no idea where I am yeah that kind of scares me too

(17:53):
I also have this feeling and when I was at the desert um
it's straight but it's feels caustrophobic oh
yeah I know
exactly what you're talking about place
you're the one I mean exactly it's a very strange feeling right
it feels open
It is the exact opposite
I don't know what that feeling is but i didn't like it

(18:14):
so I was like oh no I don't like this this is very uncomfortable for me yeah
and that's that's why if you're oan adventure and if you meet another adventurer
it's one of the most exciting feeling
because a it's hard to find someone with a similar mindset in yeah in the big city
so you find someone who is similar and secondly
you just met someone on the road
so you can talk about anything you want you can be hundred percent honest about everything

(18:39):
because you probably never gonna see that person ever again and it's just a one time thing
but you have this like sense of bonding yeah like on on the road if you meet someone
if someone need to help
you out of your way just to help them
because there's a little sense of community
I can get that
so but it's like a one time thing
and you we could see each other for one time we share a lot of like deep talk deep bonding

(19:02):
sharing your life your trauma and everything
but then that's it like you're never gonna see each other again probably
do you know what I think it is and it's just a theory yeah
I think it's because you're so relieved to see someone that's alive
you're like oh thank god I am not going to die
he's alive which means I can probably be alive thank god okay

(19:24):
we're okay
could be could be could be
but I I all I really enjoyed those experience because yeah
it feels like going back to pre industrialization like pre industrial revolution
where people probably hunt together as when you know that person
you just naturally have this animal instinct of help each other out bond even though it's a stranger yeah

(19:47):
so but of course
you also be aware of dangerous like sometimes but you can tell yeah if someone is good can you
I think I have a pretty good instinct
yeah I mean you are in that industry of like spotting this guy's probably a little bit weird yeah
I think I have a really strong instinct
some things like the when I was a kid when I was studying in uk

(20:09):
there was just one time I was hanging out with friends in the bar and when I got into the bar
I already feel something wrong like my hair standing up my my stomach feel upset and I told my friend
hey I think we should leave, my friends like why we just got here?
I was like I don't know but I just don't feel that so we left and then right after we left like ten minutes later

(20:30):
there was someone stabbing the other person in the bar
and like there are so many examples like this
I can't explain it, I'm a psychologist so I'm technically like a man of science
but this is something that I cannot explain right that that that instinct that I have
and the more adventure the more you learn to rely on it yeah

(20:55):
yeah
yeah you have to yes
because there are lot of things like when you're out there
doing all these adventure or when I was doing humanitarian mission for doctors without boarders
you don't have enough information to make a reasonable or logical conclusion of things
There are a lot of question marks there
so the only thing that can rely on is your instinct
uh

(21:15):
huh and they are often right I I think it's the animal thing I think it's survival yeah
it's just something that I can't explain through science but I think it's we all have it actually
I think so too
but it's just for a lot of people you live in the safe environment a contained civilization
people lose that touch but once you put out put yourself out there long enough it comes back

(21:37):
I agree it comes back and I but I also think it requires one like you said the right environment but also the ability to train that feeling like you need to be in that environment and be like oh
this is what it feels like to get let's say pickpocketed right
because if you're not there

(21:57):
and you don't know
what the experience is like
people can tell you oh
yeah in you know in Rome
you're going to get pickpocketed well
you have and you in your head you're like I get it okay but your body has no idea what it feels like and then all of a sudden you're like oh
my stuff is gone yeah yeah yeah
yeah some sometimes like that instinct happens when we're doing martial art training too yep when you when you're spoiling like

(22:23):
there's just a sense that you know what you're opening and do they experience
it takes time
it takes time yeah
like reading off those
those those body language
yeah it just takes time and I watch like the really good guys do it yeah
and they can do it eyes closed like you know it's like in jujitsu
there's not there's a little bit of like vision but a lot of it's just by face

(22:44):
it's just feeling yeah
because you're just in contact with the person so you kind of understand where the guys moving
yes yes experience
yeah it just takes time but I love what you're talking about for like loneliness because I think that people now are lonelier than ever and

(23:06):
here's my theory and I've been saying this a lot on my podcast
I don't think that people are adding new friends to their lives
in fact they are depending on old friends that they've had whether from work or childhood
and then hoping that these friends carry them over forever

(23:29):
The way they should look at themselves is the marketing funnel right
you have all of these people that are aware of you
you funnel them down to people that are kind of interested in you
some of them become good friends
and then some of them are become the best friends
there's this big marketing funnel but if you don't keep adding people top

(23:54):
eventually these good friends leave you they have lives if whatever
they're going someplace else
whatever it happens they pass away
but this is only getting smaller
and most people are not adding people on the top
and they think that oh these people can carry me
but I believe that you have an emotional gas tank that these people are like supporting

(24:21):
and when you go from let's say three friends to two you're probably still okay
but once you hit one, it's too late you you cannot survive on 33%
and then by 33% you've not added people on top
and you require all of this funneling to get back to 66%

(24:42):
and by then a lot of people just quit
and they're just like "what am I doing? I'm so sad what's going on?"
They don't know that it's actually because you've gone to 66% and you didn't notice that things are going bad
and when you got to 33% things were on E on empty

(25:02):
and you don't really know because you havent spent the time to...
do you think that's due to aging or does that it's about the generation nowaday
I think it's a little bit of everything
I do think it's aging,
but I also think that a lot of people get out of college and you or university and you hear "how do I make friends?"

(25:23):
a lot of people say that because they think that friendship comes from proximity
like they're so used to friends of proximity that they've forgotten that they can choose friends
you can go out and be like friends of choice
I think that is a lost kind of skill

(25:44):
that's why a lot of people sleep with their boss or co-workers
because those are people in proximity and they don't realize that they can go out and find these people
I have an interesting research in my head, I want to share they they study the psychology of loneliness
they study the gender difference and they realize that for for men

(26:08):
a. men have like a smaller social group we will rely on the very few people that we connect with partner family friends
and they also look at how men find friends
and they look at work so men if you work in a full time job
you'll be able to find friends over there okay
but if it's a women

(26:28):
it doesn't matter if it's a part time job that you do once a week or once a month
they can still manage to make friends over there and hence interesting
They also look at the recovering time after divorce and men took 3x longer than women because they have a smaller social circle

(26:49):
so just like you said 3 person let's say your mom,your dad, and your partner
yeah partners gone divorce
one foot is gone yeah before women is maybe 1/10 or 1/20, so maybe gender plays a role maybe
I also think maybe age plays a role
cause I just fresh off college everything is new, so you trying out this you trying out that

(27:11):
but once you hit certain age you're like "I don't want to try this, this is not for me"
you already have your fixed circle, your comfort zone and you stick in it
so it's harder for you to sort of expand right
I think the newer generation the way that they make friends is very different like internet also

(27:33):
me I think
the way that they make friends is very different
but ultimately
we as a social animal
I think we all have that innate ability to bond with each other
I agree with that
so if I look at the definition of loneliness
hmm it's a very simple equation like the quality and the quantity of the social connection that you have over the quantity and quality that you want

(27:57):
okay
so it's all about desire
so what I'm guessing here is I don't know if the younger generations get more lonely
because I feel that they might have potentially hypothetically speaking they have a lower desire or want
so their want is lower
the the want is lower

(28:18):
yeah
the want is lower
so it's actually easier to satisfy them I interested because the social connection the friendship you know
the physical touch for example
like having a hug with a friend
those are things maybe for a newer generation we plays by other things like texting is that replaceable in certain level I mean like for me I I of course

(28:45):
I think there's always that need in us but I also feel like over time the need could decrease it's a hundred percent replaceable but I can see there might be a trend that decrease that need a little b
I I feel like
and they don't know they need it yeah
also think they might also don't know that they need it they never tried it they never experienced a one hot fun friend so potentially yeah

(29:11):
huh
that's interesting because I think as humans I there are certain things that are universally human
and I think one of them is touch I think the ability to experience a handshake a hug just like to be able to dance next to someone it's huge that feeling is addictive one

(29:39):
but also just like it's human we understand that this is almost part of being human it's part of not being a robot like
I think we've traveled and in our heads we've become so robotic that we've stopped realizing that we're also animals like we also need this kind of physical touch smell these senses that were all kind

(30:04):
ignoring because of the digital age
which is just visual and audio they're all important smell
touch taste they're so important to us and we're kind of like putting them on the back burner because they're not instagrammable you know yes
yes
yes and so people kind of forget that these things are necessary for like what I think is

(30:29):
simplified into happiness it's universal
but there's also cultural difference okay
Asian culture they probably need a little bit less touch hmm then what we consider like the western culture
so there there's a possibility that that what would this would self decrease over time yeah

(30:49):
I can still imagine that happening
ugh imagining that happening
I see it happening
don't get me wrong I'm kind of on board with you because I do see people that I mean in Asia that like to be kind of at arms length like the most physical interactions might maybe handshake

(31:10):
whereas I've always been a hugger like I love hugging yeah
I think a hug is one of the best things that you can do when you meet someone new okay
and I see I get turned down for hugs all hahaha
all the time I I have an extreme hypothesis
yeah
my head
and I want to share and it's gonna sound crazy it's gonna sound crazy but you know why we have social connection because we're so so animal okay why are we so so animal

(31:35):
cause we need each other surviving a hunter gather society but for majority population right now
we're living a civilized society it's a lot more safer so maybe the social need doesn't really help us to survive
or we don't need that to survive like you can actually live a life without social interaction like mental have a different issue but physically you can survive right yes

(31:59):
you can like just order why my
I don't dampen meet one you can order all these things you can survive without it so maybe the social need that we have to connect with each other is just leftover you know like in the future age wher
blah blah
if you don't have need that to survive maybe one day not within a lifetime

(32:20):
but maybe one day that need would go extinct
I can imagine just just like a tail right
like yeah we don't need that to survive anymore so it's gone yeah so maybe that social need would be the same thing in I don't know a hundred year
two hundred years but that could be the case and it's happening right now

(32:40):
it is happening it can happen as we speak yeah
like if you completely not a mental health issue
but actually do we need friends to survive
probably no
but the mental health issue is part of the issue
yes it's part of them but like if you use time right right
if you use like generations yeah to to overcome it then maybe that that could be overcome I guess from a yeah

(33:08):
if you're talking about an evolutionary standpoint
like you're talking a large amount of time yeah
it could happen I can't imagine what those relationships are like though like to the point where each person is is just like I guess the matrix where you're in a tube almost right

(33:29):
you just you only need this tube and it kind of gives you everything like that's terrifying to me like I cannot imagine being stuck like that it is
but if you think about the newer generation if we assume for the newer generation
the major tool for them to communicate with each other is
their phone

(33:49):
is their phone
then what difference does it make that you're talking to a real person or an ai
I don't know if you really believe this
can you like let's say you have an Instagram account yeah
like a hundred thousand follower how many of them that you're sure that they're a real person actually
oh very few yeah

(34:09):
so like if you can text with them and talk to them can you tell the difference between chap gpt and real person
I don't think I can um
I'm finding it harder and harder yeah
yeah so why
isn't it replaceable
then if we're just doing online technical
because it's not real can you tell

(34:31):
like what what difference does it make in terms of value that the emotional value that that it gives you what difference does it make I'll give you
I'll give you a robottle then I do care about what's real and I do because and I know real is kind of subjective
subjective it's weird truth is subjective yeah
but I'll reverse that question and ask you okay if you were being cheated on

(34:56):
would you want to know and I think most people would say yes but you could live your whole life without knowing and you'd probably be happier you probably but why do you want to know
because it's real because I want to know the truth and I think that's the same
thing with this like I would want to know that I'm talking to a real human and that would make me feel I I just I have that need and it might not make me happier because you know

(35:27):
maybe I had a really good time with this aI yes
but I want to know what's real I want to know that it is a real human and there is something I guess built into us
that's like I want to know what's real I want to know that my partner is not cheating on me I want to know that I am talking to a real human like

(35:48):
but okay I'm talking crazier yeah
let's go extreme
go for let's go extreme
what I also see is that maybe because we're we're so used to online texting and everything I I think the interaction that the newer generation have is different yes
than the older generation so throughout time maybe you feel more comfortable talking to a aI than talking to a person because it over time

(36:14):
maybe a person will become a little bit more self center because like everything that you have served you so the ability to emphasize with a person you know the empathy sympathy
it's it's harder and harder to get because hard half dart right
so maybe over time people prefer actually talking to you a robot than a person I already see that trend oh really

(36:37):
yes I already see that trend
where people are not comfortable
dealing with awkward conversations okay and because they're uncomfortable in those conversations they use the term I'm very introverted
iron

(36:57):
I don't like talking
and they use that as an excuse to be like I don't want to talk anymore
right
right and a lot of people the younger generation will use that very often as an excuse to just be like I don't socialize and they kind of turn themselves into this like lonely human being
because they're like they convinced themselves that they're introverted whether they are or not and then they're just like because it's harder and harder to talk to people

(37:25):
it is yeah it is and again it's not something that you actually need to survive or like you needed to survive but like over time like
but but over time like imagine if you work in a I don't know like a tech company it company yeah
you can do all the things by yourself if everyone is just tass oriented

(37:47):
do you have to make friends with people
although please I'm coming off from my profession yeah
being a psychologist sort of lonely as well
the the very little teamwork involved unless I'm doing less so let's say I'm doing a case um and the raxio nevosa sure eating disorder yeah
that I work with doctors nutritionists but aside from that most of the time I work alone

(38:08):
alone yeah and I do think that in the future
to come there will be more job like this mm
hmm
that require less teamwork
but
huh
I get where you
I get where you're coming from okay
and I think that

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that is less
I I hate to use the word almost holistic
okay
because I believe that a human is a full being and there are many parts involved to all sorts of sickness and health in general yes
most of the time it's not just one thing it's several things yes

(38:50):
so I would like to in an ideal world have multiple people work on me as a human
and not just go to the pharmacist and get painkillers for pain
like in fitness a lot of people used to be like "Well I'm just gonna take some pain killers"
painkillers instead of maybe going to the physiotherapist and being like well maybe it's this

(39:15):
and then going into cardiologist and be like
maybe it's your heart and then maybe if they all work together
you have this like full picture of what it could be and what you need to work on
right yep that makes sense yeah
but I do see the trend where each individual doesn't talk to the other individuals
and then you just think "oh it's probably this" that is the easier way to make money

(39:41):
and also like downstairs we were talking about my take on whether or not people are getting more lonely
I I actually feel the trend is not loneliness I feel the trend is anxiety because I anxiety and not loneliness okay
okay I that's what I that's from my experience yeah
cause I I work with kids and ever since covet like the cases I have inside it's sky rocket and I was sharing that that experience that that that hypothesis I have I think one of the reason it's becaus

(40:19):
there's no age limit
there's no age restriction hmm and I I started this thinking like two months ago because I saw news in Australia
they putting a h restriction for using Instagram or social media like it's good
I think it's a good idea you'll be force sixteen or thirteen year old like they
they serve like bedtime so like after ten they say you notification and then your accounts deactivated stuff like that

(40:46):
It's liberal thinking but I actually do think there should be some sort of filter for the younger generation you know
we we consider all the toxic thing in the internet is like the porn you know the the sexual content of the violent
I think that they are harmful, they are toxic
but they are not the worst part
I think the worst toxic thing in the internet for the younger generation are those middle aged man complaining about life

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I don't have money do this pay for my mortgage yeah to
despair
I don't know what the meaning of life is oh my god my boss is stupid
like I think this is toxic because
and this is crazy but but I think it takes the hope out of the can
when they see the future when they see the adult like there's no hope in the world so then why am I studying so hard?

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for even if I study a degree I get the law I might get replaced by AI
and even if I keep my job my boss is stupid
and I just think this is the worst part of the internet it's like those 叔叔
those complaint and if you enjoy your life
people like us we don't spend that much time on internet, we're telling people how great that is

(42:03):
so you end up having those the worst not the worst but like the loudest people are usually
the people who are most unsatisfied and that painted the world for them
and the worst part is this is also part of reality like you can't deny it
you can't tell the kid no life is not like that it's all candy in that
you can't tell them because that's not what they've seen on the internet

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and it's also true it's also part of the reality, now me as a psychologist
I need to re-introduce hope to them
but it's hard because it's contradict with everything that they see the world
it's it's hard and that's where anxiety is coming from despair like okay
why am I even doing this right now
why why do I have to work hard
why do I have to study hard

(42:49):
if the world is like this
what is this all for? you know like when during my time when when I was a kid
I grew up watching anime yeah
comic book you know Manga there it's all about HOPE!
like if you work hard if you put your effort into a the friendship and you know you can live a good life
but now I don't think that's the case

(43:12):
I also think art is a big thing
hmm like I just came back from Cambodia two weeks ago
and I'm sorry but I realized that I don't really like Cambodia a lot
not because it's a poor country like I've been to a lot of poor countries like Philippines

(43:33):
and I like those places because I like the sound of the city when I walk down the street
the bars are playing great music when I walk down the street
They are happy people
exactly! because art teaches people to enjoy abstract thing yeah
if you don't have art
you only think about survival you think of money you know those tangible stuff
so I don't like Cambodia because I feel like it's a place with no art

(43:57):
hmm
and that's a big impact and now if you look at the the entertainment that we have nowaday
yeah
do you know what 微短剧 like the small tv series
today I don't consider those at art like it's not abstract thing
because if you look at the the material that they create it's about okay

(44:21):
someone get bully at work do you know who my dad is？
my dad is richer than your dad
I've seen it, this is not art
this is not abstract
yeah
so I think that also plays a role so it coming off from my personal point of view like maybe the solution as art literature music

(44:42):
drama that's really interesting
it's a very romantic
it's a very romantic way of thinking but I do think so mm
hmm I I do think if you can show them how to appreciate art they would have this after thinking that with knowing that okay
maybe life is not just about money maybe I can have a good life enjoying life by just sitting by the beach

(45:03):
playing the guitar listen to great music maybe that's a solution to it
my devil's advocate argument would be that art really reflects life
um a lot of I'll give you a good example
my friend cn her name is jungle butterfly on ridiculous

(45:26):
but her song was like is about how
I don't really wanna talk
to people I feel anxiety when I talk to people like being social is very tough on my you know on my mental wellbeing and that you know clip
went viral because people really people relate to it people see that that that is exactly how I feel I do feel very anxious when I talk and when I'm social when I'm and so

(45:54):
it art is really reflecting what other people are feeling thus when people feel very
kind of in the pits of that despair that's what the art becomes and it's just reflecting what societies has given them and there's not a lot of that hopefulness

(46:16):
maybe because people aren't feeling hopeful you know it's just really hard to feel that way and then produce art or literature or movies that make you feel hopeful
you think it's a vicious cycle yeah
I think it's just coming and it's a spiral it's just going down the toilet as opposed to going upwards
okay can I can I give a count to
I'll give sure I personally think the most noble purpose of creating art is to give people courage to live

(46:44):
sure and talking about that despair that loneliness in art in in music
when I feel let's say you go for a bad breakup
you don't listen to happy song
no
no go for the worst yeah
breakup song the one that like balls your eyes out and crying
but it's therapeutic you actually feel better

(47:06):
afterwards you feel like you understood sure by someone else correct so I actually don't think it gonna drill down I do think that after you listen to those things this therapeutic element to it that
spiral out of it and go up interest it give you courage yeah

(47:26):
like no I kind of get what you're saying yeah
yeah the the courage to live and I recently I watch a movie called lookback okay
have you no it's animate movie from from Japan okay
so long like long story shot it's about a girl who likes to write comics as an old kid met another friend who also like to make comment and become friends so they write comics together oh

(47:51):
one day one of the girl decided oh
I'm sorry I want to go to the big city and study university yeah
I can write comics with you so the girl left unfortunately something terrible happened she got killed oh no
so the other girl become a really famous comic writer one of the best in Japan and look back to the whole thing was oh

(48:14):
if I've never met that that girl who got killed
if I never met her if we never write comics together
maybe she would survive
maybe she wouldn't go to the university and study art
maybe she would survive
that's basically the the whole story yeah
but when I look back to that to that story

(48:34):
um
I think because in in the story
the girl wanted to go to university because for her whole life she was very long she she anxiety talking to people was because she met the other girl that's how she came out
got the courage to go
got the courage to to go out so ultimately
my interpretation of the movie is if you're doing art even if you change one person life in a very small way that's still worth doing yeah

(49:04):
that's still like that's the most noble purpose of doing art yeah
and in one extent if you believe art is a language it's expression then maybe that's also the meaning of social reinteraction to change each other's life path
I agree with that a hundred percent and part of the reason I do this podcast yeah
nice so like writing that music of this pair you're also changing people's life you're also creating possive impact there would be people who spiral down yeah

(49:33):
but I'm sure
there will be a lot of people spiral up as well
and I think it's just one person that yeah live a better life because of your art that's the meaning of your work jungle butterfly
yeah
jungle butterfly
she's hahaha she's great um
but I just feel like in order to spiral out of something yeah you need to still have that hope you know and without that hope you just you never get there you never break out of that downwards

(50:07):
you know and to what you were saying I do feel like there is a little bit of lack of hope at the moment like it's just really hard to feel like the world is a good place the world is you know hmm
I think a lot of it comes from
were getting more and more isolated

(50:28):
and like I said before the
barriers to communication have gone so high because everyone kind of breaks into their own echochambers yeah
and these echochambers become places where language changes right
you know and when language changes in order for me to jump into your space I have to learn a whole new language right

(50:54):
and then it becomes really hard for me to jump into those spaces because there are such high virus entry that people just stop doing it okay
a great example is the young people sometimes I know we're both speaking Mandarin
but their Mandarin my Mandarin are not the same
and I'm just like what did you just say?
and it's just all this internet speak that I'm lost on and I'm like I understand why people don't want to communicate anymore

(51:21):
because the barrier to entry for me to talk to someone who's not in my echo chambers so high
and that's only gonna get worse because those echo chambers are shrinking
and it's just becoming these people that have these small groups and they're happy in those groups happy
but like these groups will never have new people

(51:42):
because your barriers are just getting higher and higher and you're separating yourself more
but they're getting their friends among their group know like the younger generation like so probably harder for us to jump in jump in yeah
probably like
but then they hardly hear the same shit over and over when I was sixteen year old
yeah probably wouldn't enjoy too much having a thirty forty year old jumping to my friend group absolutely

(52:07):
what are you doing
yeah
why are you here yeah
please get lost right
absolutely maybe is ancient but sorry can I jump back to the hope topic because something you said
just inspire me to think about one thing because I I think now a big part of my job when I do when I'm handling a case about anxiety
it's about hope yeah

(52:28):
and I always tell my my patient one thing have you are you
a movie nut do you like movie
I don't watch
I don't have a lot of culture
oh okay okay
do you know Forrest gum
yeah of course
shawsha redemption yes okay
so I'm I'm comparing this to movie for Forrest gum life is a box of chocolate
never no one gonna get
what you gonna get
yeah right
so you just keep on running and good things gonna happen to you

(52:49):
I think that's complete bullshit okay
it's objectively a good movie but I hate the message actually
hmm
I don't think
that's what hope is
it's not like you keep on running and good things gonna happen to you I don't think
that's what hope is
I think hope is shaw sharp redemption okay all right with a low spoon every single day you take the hole you take the hole at the end put some get out
right
you can get out and I think this is what hope is you

(53:11):
you start doing something
not because you see hope I'm working on something I'm putting my sweat and blood on something not because I see hope it's because I'm putting my effort into it that's when hope happened and that's why
I tell my kid if you don't see hope
hope won't just happen land on you and something good that's not what hope is

(53:31):
you have to start doing it you have to open yourself to the possibility then you have room for hope to land on you
I'm not sure you got the right message from Forrest Gump
okay
wait
because I have a comparison okay right
do you remember Jenny
like his girlfriend
the worst person in the world

(53:53):
I hate Jenny
you know what
I actually I actually like her, and I'll tell you why
she's someone who have a dream hmm want to go to LA
actress life doesn't work awhile she become a stripper yeah
I think and end up getting aids yeah
Pr0stitute too
and then also the military officer right?

(54:14):
His whole family devoted his life and to to the country yeah and he ended up lost no legs yeah
no no legs so I feel like the movies mocking people who work hard to chase after the dream okay
that's my that's my take on it
it makes me feel really uncomfortable because people who work hard didn't end up well

(54:35):
but for Forest Gump he didn't do anything
there's no goal he just keep on running and good things just keep happening to him like I get the message right
I get it you wanna give people hope
but I don't think that's the way and at the same time you're mocking people
I feel like you're mocking Jenny you're mocking the lieutenant
Lieutenant Dan yeah
Yeah, lieutenant Dan, you're mocking those people who work hard and they didn't end up well

(54:58):
they didn't get what they deserve yeah and Forest Gump...
yeah so maybe
maybe I'm misreading it...
maybe I'm reading into a little bit too much
but it makes me feel so uncomfortable
so I see your point I see your point to this yeah
but Forest also overcame
like he spent his time consistently playing ping pong and got better and better and better

(55:26):
in a lot of ways his ability to not think about anything else and just play pingpong is a lot like the spoon
the hours and just ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba and just eventually good things that hope does come
but there's no goal though he's not doing it to pursue something it's all about chasing after dream

(55:49):
it makes him happy
okay yeah yeah yeah
like yeah
I'll I'll give you a story that I called on another podcast recently okay
Matthew Mcconaughey is talking to this old lady in Italy and he says that she's very fit

(56:10):
and she goes yeah you know I I go and I swim around in this little bay I don't know if you've heard this story?
she says I go and swim around in this bay and his immediate reaction is how far do you swim
how fast do you swim
and he realizes that's such an American such a modern thing to do right

(56:36):
and the old lady responds with I just swim until I don't want to swim anymore hmm
and it clicks for him and he gets it
and I've been saying that for years don't need a goal you do what you like to do until you don't want to do it anymore and just keep doing that

(56:56):
and all of these people in ShanghaI are like
Arthur, you've been stuck on let's say this level of rock climbing for three years
I'm like "yeah but I like I like it like I'm happy just doing this and eventually ten years
when you've gotten injured and you've quit I'll still be here and I'll be better than you

(57:21):
because I've continuously done this thing right at a slow pace yes...
but I'm happy doing it right?
and there's something about that, where everyone's measuring everything and everyone's trying to one up no
right
right I don't want I just want to be happy
right
yeah I I I like what you said but I also think that I agree but I think there are steps yeah

(57:44):
we'll talk about someone who have no hope hmm
so first thing is you induce hope by giving them something that motivate them the goal once you have that then you learn a different level
which is the level that you're talking about and join the process doing what you love so I think they're like steps you have to get there you have to get there you have to first do that American way o

(58:04):
I think uh huh right you because it's it's if a kid coming in with no hope on younger generation my patient coming with no hope it's hard to tell them just try to enjoy what you're doing yeah
because there's nothing that they enjoy like it so you first have to give them something then they learn to get rid of that thing yeah
it does yeah um

(58:26):
I got there early I'm lucky okay right
because I got there when I was young and I learned swimming
and I learned that hard work pays off like all of that stuff very young okay right
I think Sports when you're young really just builds character yes
absolutely
um
it's also about learning failure yeah
that you're not gonna always win

(58:47):
every snow way that you're gonna win all the time there's always someone better than you and there's always and just grind and it helps
yes
and I think a lot of younger generations don't have that um a lot of the younger generation gets the participation
trophies or they also feel very hopeless cause there are so many people on top of them that they're just like I'm never gonna get noticed no matter what you know there's

(59:11):
there's this balance where on one side everyone gets trophies and on the other side even if I work as hard as I can there's this thing called talent
that doesn't allow me to move up anymore and that's the kind of two sides of the coin free of talent
I I don't know if I ever told you
I was a professional musician before I become a psychologist oh

(59:32):
I see all of the photos of you playing on stage so I have an idea
yeah I was a I was a musician and actually that was the only thing that I wanna do when I was a kid okay
only thing that I wanna do but I eventually quit music I tell people I quit music because
it I could make a living out of it that's part of the reason yeah

(59:53):
don't get me wrong that's part of the reason but actually
a big reason is at certain point I feel like I just don't have the talent yeah to to achieve whatever
that I wanna do and here's my tick on talent I do believe that there are like one percent of people who have great talent on things like genius who are just wire differently yeah
I believe that

(01:00:14):
me too
but I think for most people
they quit before they hit the barrier oh
they they they haven't put up enough effort enough sweat and blood to to train yourself to feel the barrier yeah
and they just quit as oh
I don't have to you
don't know you're not like you didn't put in the effort yeah to feel it I feel it it's an excuse yes for for people to give themselves yes

(01:00:39):
and cause I go through the same thing I went through this the same thing
I work with amazing talented genius musician
and it it really hurt my ego a little bit yeah
honestly it has to yeah
I played I started playing music when I was five year old I played Guitar when I was like eight year old
so by the time I met one of my my friend in high school I've been playing music for what like six years and

(01:01:06):
then this friend just pick up guitar for half a year it plays better than I do oh my god
that was a terrible feeling that realization of oh my god
this is a genius right in front of me
and I just don't have what it takes to do it but I still grind
and I officially quit music as a career at the age of 27 mm hmm at the age of 27 but I think chasing after dream

(01:01:34):
it's one of the most difficult things on off it's one of the most romantic amazing experience
but it's the suffering and the pain like yeah
I don't think people actually understand because the self doubt like you lose sleep thinking about it alright
I'm not gonna do it because it matters to you it's the only one thing that you want to do and then at the same time you go for the self doubt how do

(01:01:54):
I have what it takes you lose sleep you lose appetite over it it's a very painful experience yeah
but it's still worth having is still worth having and these are the concept I have about what hope is
what dream is but nowadays is going back like nowadays going back when a kiss oh
I just don't have the talent that kid smarter than I am that kid swims yeah faster than I am I I have to motivate them in a way that are

(01:02:22):
you sure that's talent maybe that person work harder than you are how do you know this is purely genetic talent and like oh it's so good that like I can give us some example like Nate Roberson okay
I don't know this person okay
it's a five foot eight NBA player okay
that tells you yeah
haha yeah
talent matters for that one percent but if if you let's say you want to do whatever that you want to do maybe you don't have to be that top one percent to do it yeah

(01:02:49):
you can compensate it with effort mm hmm with hard work you can you can compensate it
and I agree with that I I think this is how
I induce hope to people to sort of deal with the anxiety problem and I I find it I would say that it works actually
it has to yeah works here's what I find is the big issue with children okay and I see it very evidently okay

(01:03:21):
in jujitsu classes in ShanghaI I think a lot of gyms now
their main source of income is children's classes for jujitsu it's a lot of gyms are like that um and I've noticed the students really enjoy jujitsu when they're in the gym
what is the first thing that little

(01:03:43):
Jimmy says to mom and dad when they see mom and dad take a walk guess after the classroom yeah
mom comes to pick him up
what's the first thing that kid says to mom
ah it's great
I wanna come back again tomorrow
where's the phone
oh
hahaha it's never hahaha

(01:04:04):
that makes sense
ninety percent of those kids will see the ie whoever's picking them up手机呢
all the time
I see it so much and you see this kid have a good time and the parents are like how do I get my kid to really love
jujitsu like you guys

(01:04:25):
do how do I get your kid
I because they're like I've spent all this time giving them options trying to let them find what they love
they love the phone they are addicted to that phone and they're trying to enjoy other things but their brains addicted to that film yeah
of course I mean like you have like Facebook Instagram

(01:04:47):
TikTok you have the most genius people working on it to get people addicted to it yep
you have a specialized in doing that yeah
that's their whole job
that's a whole job yeah to get you addicted to it so of course
I mean like it's a losing battle
it's a losing battle and so these parents are pushing these kids find your passion
find your interest something that you love and maybe they found it on the way

(01:05:12):
but it's been overshadowed by this basically drug addiction that's in a form and so they maybe they've gone through it and they really enjoyed it but just their brain is
telling them I just wanna play on that phone yeah
they dope them in addiction yeah
is so strong in these kids that they fail to realize that this is something I can be great in this is something that I can really do because even probably during that training session

(01:05:41):
they're thinking about that game that I was playing
you know
hearts you think there should be a restriction
a hundred percent I think that these kids are so addicted to these things that they just they've forgotten what it feels like to just live yeah
live to live right
on a motorcycle they'll never understand the value of that you know to be without a phone to be without

(01:06:06):
and just just be here in the moment I had a conversation with one of the adventure in one of my trip I think it was in what was i
I forgot too many trips
yeah
I met this person oh up
in the mountain in my home song okay
north of Thailand yeah
met this person and we're having a chat about like adventure and we're like oh like

(01:06:31):
it would be nice if we have more friends like adventure in the world and I told my friend
if the majority of people in the world are people like us this world would be terrible yeah
this world wouldn't be no I know exactly what you're thinking
if the majority of people are never like you that will

(01:06:52):
be interesting
but it would probably be less functional than it is a hundred percent so
yeah
maybe I'm not
I'm not loving where this conversation is going
I understand I'm sorry
but I understand what you are thinking I'm sorry
cause that's a that's a feeling that I always have like oh I'm a nerd like oh I want more friends like me but now I think about if the whole world of four people like me

(01:07:18):
do I want to live in that world
I don't know yeah I get you
and I understand that the world needs people to push it forward right
okay you can't just stay in the same place like me I'm more than happy to just stay in one place I'm happy for the world to kind of move backwards a couple steps oh
you know
let's not even go forward let's go back a couple steps aren't you curious

(01:07:41):
well no
oh I'm actually more curious about things that we've forgotten than things that we can discover
okay okay what are the things that you're most curious about
I mean it would be cool to see how dinosaurs actually died
let's say what's on the bottom of the ocean

(01:08:05):
if aliens made the pyramids like basic things like that was there really an Atlantis like like things that we've forgotten as humans would be cooler than you know I guess other stuff that we're curren
I I do think with
the technology people are losing the sense of wonder because it is easy to get answer yeah

(01:08:28):
there seems to be like whatever that you don't know chatchI believe Google give answer yeah
so people lose that sense of curiosity and and wonder it seems like we we can all give an answer to all sorts of things done
um it's why I don't like when things are measurable okay
um I think that when things become measurable

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they become kind of boring yep
um
I love talking about would king kong beat up Godzilla
right
that's but all Batman vs superman right
but if you start measuring like superman is x amount strong and and just start putting numbers to things that's the boring part of the conversation

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the interesting part are the immeasurables right
like well Batman has you know all of this prep time now what like right
there is all these immeasurables that are make the conversation far more interesting right
whereas once you measure things oh
x is greater than y
this is why they win well
that's not a fun conversation anymore yeah that becomes quite boring to me yeah you know

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which is why when people start talking about money
it's the last thing I wanna talk about because money is so measurable it's and it's so boring definitive yeah
yeah and I don't wanna talk about that I would much rather just be like yo king Kong would whoop his ass because you know
king Kong has you know the brains to do that
like that's so much more interesting hence maybe the solution to to the trouble that we have as art abstract hence maybe

(01:10:04):
maybe it helps like it it opened up a whole new world of imagination and wonder and curiosity that that after a feeling is important yeah
physician is measureable definitive I'll be boring and the world is becoming more and more
digitalized and measurable and less interesting to me yeah you know

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and that's why I love my adventure cause whenever I go adventure
I don't plan anything I don't know where I'm gonna sleep I don't know when I just got around motorcycle and I just head follow the sun not even gps follows up okay
I'm okay I'm in the east side of the country I'm gonna head west yeah
that's it and no gps and I just like follows under skull and I can I'm not ready for that yet

(01:10:49):
that's too terrifying for me what's so terrifying about it
I like to know where I am what purpose is
this of what purpose is it peace of mind safety
I guess
don't you think that you can handle yourself don't you have to confident yourself that you can handle it oh
no no oh

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I'm comfortable in
like I like the risk a little bit but I also know that there are things out there
like maybe the east side of the
the island and the west side of the island if I don't know where I am maybe the snake is a different snake that bit me like what

(01:11:33):
if there are bears on this side and nothing on that side there are things that I cannot overcome that I don't know about and that's terrifying can I give you example
go for it um so going back to the Taiwan I look into it yeah um
four days in I already know the typhoon gonna hit real bad yeah

(01:11:54):
gonna hit real bad
I would have left so i
I I decide to quit I decide
okay this time I couldn't finish it yeah
so I have to circle back now
I have two way to go either go through the highway which is fast and safe straight line all the way but it's boring
because riding a motorcycle highway it's one of the most boring

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and most of the most boring and also
a little bit dangerous too because you're fast
or I can go through the mountain
which the mountain would be significantly more dangerous but I decide to go with the mountains mountains
a little bit more more fun
I'm only 4 day in and I don't have a charger on the bike on the bike so I have little battery left so I go to restaurants

(01:12:40):
I ask them can I charge my my phone here?
so I charge up my external battery yeah
the power bank they start heading to the mountain voila two hours later it start to rank real hard so in the mountain riding a motorcycle when it's raining
slipper it's already dangerous to begin with yeah
what's the worst thing is my pop and got wet

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yeah so now it's leaking back power I only have 16% left
and I have 4 more hours to drive to to get out of the mountain to head somewhere safe yeah
but I only have two more hours before the sunset and in the mountain there's no street lights yeah
I'm only relying on the lamp which is really dangerous

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so I have to make a quick call what do I do 16%
no way it can last four four hours with gps on right and at night I can barely see and you're riding a motorcycle the wind if it's in front of you
that's fine you just drive slower right if it's behind you
you're pushing you faster it's still fine the most dangerous side to side side to side

(01:13:42):
because you lose balance and if the row is wet and the mountain there all these yeah kind of curve up and down you have to put in the the right gear with poor vision
right and no gps or you don't know how sharp the turn is tell me you stopped I didn't I didn't so I 14 percent 16 percent left what i
decide to do I stop

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I use 10 minute to memorize a map as best as I could remember
okay how many turns later after turn right or left
I just use time to remember as much
as I can yeah
I switch off the phone I just go for it and every one hour or so turn back on check it if I got it yeah and at the end of you I managed to get out

(01:14:25):
but I was soaking wet yeah I was soaking wet it was dangerous and everything but when I had down the last
I took off my helmet and I just breathe I made it and I'm so happy yeah
I can imagine I'm so happy
like
the the feeling that I'm alive I survive this like you know that you know habituation like no habituation is when a human being exposed to the same stimulus over time we spawn decrease okay so if I po

(01:14:59):
you feel uncomfortable I hold it there for twenty minute you forgot about it yeah
that's the feeling of a life
yeah we we take it for granted
and after that that that trip after that four hours driving at home and that's a gift of feeling alive hmm I I it's strongest feeling ever and I'm so happy yeah
because I took on that risk yep well because I didn't know whether or not I can do it but I have confidence that I might

(01:15:27):
be able to do I just have to be extra cautious I just have to focus for four hours and I did and and this is what I mean like you don't get those feeling if you're always in control
yeah
you you don't get that and when I tell people I did that like you're crazy
yeah
you're crazy you should have just stayed or you should just stick the highway why do you do that

(01:15:51):
because I blessed with the feeling of a life yeah
and I think it's one of the greatest it is I understand you
I recently I don't know if I told you but we recently went out to BalI okay and
I I always think that I'm a very good swimmer

(01:16:12):
I grew up swimming I just assume that I'm a very good swimmer right
and then I saw this beautiful like rock formation that was out there no idea how far it was but I was just like swim out there and then I got out there I touched the rock is beautiful
and then all of a sudden I started swimming back and I was not coming back the water just kept pulling me in the wrong direction

(01:16:35):
oh shit
and in the beginning I was like yeah make it it's not a big deal it's not that far like I can see the coast wasn't happening and then in my head I was like my girlfriend is on that beach
and she's gonna tell the story of how her boyfriend just disappeared just never came back because you know

(01:16:58):
she's tanning she has no idea um you know this far out and I'm gonna be gone I'm just not gonna go back and terrified at that point I was like what am I gonna do water keeps pulling me out
I'm supposed to swim this way but I keep going there and I'm getting kind of tired at one point and I'm just like I'm not gonna make it yeah and then eventually

(01:17:23):
I start swimming like kind of perpendicular and I'm making a little bit more progress and eventually I make it back to shore wow
and I was just like oh
thank fucking god like
I would be stuck but then I get what you're saying like the ability to like talk to the ocean and be like yeah

(01:17:44):
we're gonna do this and I under I respect that this is the ocean and you swallowed up far better swimmers than me and I'm just gonna try and please like god of the sea whatever
whatever
just let me get back to shore yeah
and that's a great feeling like putting your feet in the sand oh I can stand yeah you know that feeling is like thank god yeah

(01:18:11):
but like I get it but if you ever ask me would you do that again no hell no I get that that feeling is great really but
it's addictive
oh no
it's addictive
I'm way I'm way too old to sing that haha again
now way too old
I also realized that like you're like through the process when you swimming you have that self talk right so I have to say the self talk and I realize that that self talk it's very interesting yeah

(01:18:41):
because while I'm writing I'm keep asking myself why the fuck do I do this
yep
why am I in this position
why am I in this position
why don't I just stay home
while my bad play my phone video game will be so happy
much happier
why am I doing this
and in that experience I came over answer uh because I don't wanna die that's why
I'm risking my life which is weird but like hmm I don't wanna die that is one of my biggest fear yeah

(01:19:05):
but not the biggest the the biggest fear is like I didn't live my life
yeah
I don't want to die but what I'm most afraid of I didn't live my life yeah
so that's why I'm in this situation and and that that that self Pep talk that you can do
it helps focus
just focus yeah and within that four hours I think it's one of the most focused moment I ever have in my life hmm I can feel everything goes thing every single thing on my tire yeah the the the wetnes

(01:19:37):
defection I can feel everything yeah it's a fantastic feeling like once you're in that situation
your body being pushed the limit you open up so many different senses yeah
like okay now
I sound like a crazy person but but but I like I talk to a lot of adventure to like adventure or two everybody have more or the same feeling in those people that have been there understand it right ri

(01:20:03):
even though like it sounds crazy but I can't explain it to you but it's true yeah it's true
my takeout or take away from multiple like water based debts was oh
you just have to train harder like go home and like double your you know mileage like you just have to swim more like you're never gonna I'm never gonna reach what I was when I was eighteen

(01:20:29):
but I can definitely do better than I am now hmm you know
like I'll never hit that peak like we were swimming way too much like twice a day
or whatever that was way too much but you can do better than today like I'm swimming less today than you know I was and so I could be doing more
why not just do a little bit more and make yourself slightly safer

(01:20:52):
yes I think that's be dangerous but also be safe yeah
yes nature is always bigger than us oh
for sure yeah
like I have this feeling because I came a lot
right now I came a lot right now and I think about the technology that we have you know the air conditioning the fan everything we're trying to replace what nature could have given us yes

(01:21:13):
and what nature can give us is so much better actually like if you live in a place with amazing weather
it's so much better than air con like the the smell of a fresh flower it's better than any perfume they can smell surely anything that we look for in comfort that that technology give us actually
you make sure have a better version of it it's free hmm

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I don't agree with this
I understand what you're getting at okay
but there is
the feeling of a room at sixty nine degrees that's just perfect and I don't there's something to that that I really enjoy like food right
like like msg okay

(01:21:56):
it tastes good salt but like fresh food is so much better than anything like
I'm not with you on this one
I really I think there are certain foods and certain spices that I think I think a great
hmm cold bottle of coke oh is better than anything I can find naturally

(01:22:17):
it's just it's freshly chemically made to be perfect for your senses a fresh can of coke is unreal
you can give me a hundred coconuts, and I'll still be like "I want that Coke"
there's something about technology that does really yeah
also I know you used to own a restaurant yeah

(01:22:39):
so in your point of view
do you think freshness of a food is the most important thing to create
it is very important
okay but not the most important
but I think the ability to pair natural with unnatural there is something that you understand the human senses that can you know kind of make food better

(01:23:03):
that's what great chefs do
cause I I compare like the Japanese cuisine and the Chinese cuisine and realize Chinese have a very interesting way of cooking they they add a lot of things you know
like steaming the stir they love the way before Japanese relatively
sim simpler
but it's all about the freshness yes
and maybe is a personal preference but I lean that was the the the Japanese yeah way like my body likes it more hmm like with the y maI in in China like

(01:23:33):
sometimes I order like a noodle I was I was too salty my mouth got dry afterward yeah
taste good but I my body doesn't like it well as compared to like Japanese food all it textures is fresh yeah
add a little bit of soy sauce that's good to go yeah good to go
I'm with you to a point I think that there's value in junk food I just like I think there's value in Coca Cola

(01:24:00):
it's good to have play a game on your phone every once in a while
okay
yeah the ability to have junk food for your brain junk food for your body sometimes
it's great
ultimately is about choice yeah
like if someone is addicted to it
the person doesn't have a choice correct
so it's all about do you have the ability to make the choice

(01:24:23):
yeah do you aware that there are different options out there
yeah yeah
and then that's hard like it's hard to like limit yourself to only this amount
and you know own I only drink one can of coke every month I limit myself to one can of coke a month if that
I'll drink the shit out of that coke

(01:24:44):
I'm very curious what what is your tip to self discipline?
self behavior like how
just use your calendar calendar
yeah in what way sorry
like what yourself okay
this is the day that's the day and you just wait for it yeah
yeah it's the way that I organized my entire life one day what am

(01:25:05):
I doing jujitsu
like I already know what I'm gonna do
this entire week from Monday on because I planned out the whole week and I will tell you every hour
every fifteen minutes what I've got to do that
and I used to be more strict about it but it changed
but now I've given myself a little bit of leeway like I'll delete things if it's necessary

(01:25:27):
but I try my best this is what I'm gonna do
this week and as long as you take the clearly just basically the choice out of it okay and you just do it
okay and so you know if this is the day that I'm having that coke I'm gonna have the shit out of that coke
but that's that's it like oh you have no choice

(01:25:50):
so that's the practical part yeah
sitting on a Canada
but what of the self talk like I'm sure halfway through the month you're like, "oh I really want a fucking coke"
then how do you get yourself out of it?
I really want that coke and I'm gonna have it on that day
that's it yeah
I don't have it's not the time it's not your time to have that coke you don't you just don't allow yourself to be like you

(01:26:15):
don't indulge yourself
you just I that's the day you're gonna have it oh
there's no other like option
oh
yes
say no
that's a very strong mindset yeah
like I feel like I couldn't do it like I think mentally I'm a lot weaker if I want to have it okay
maybe it's time for a cheat day
oh

(01:26:36):
I mean and I allow myself like if it's let's say something social right
yeah and I think social situations it's really difficult because you have a lot of friends a lot of peer pressure yeah
and your friends are like hey
we're going to hogo and it
would be really nice to have like a can of coke with your hot pot yes

(01:26:57):
ninety nine percent of the time I'll say no I'll say I'm just having water
but you have to allow yourself that one percent to just be like this is your junk food like then just do it you know
like it's not the end of the world don't like whip yourself for it but just allow yourself be like all right

(01:27:18):
and that that percentage is different for everyone I think I sit at around one or two percent or I'm just like which is extreme it's a little extreme
it's it's very extreme that's why I'm asking like how do you where does that come from
I don't know I started doing it when I got to China and I just kept doing it crazy right
wow

(01:27:39):
is it does that have anything to do with family is it okay to ask like
it's not parenting no
family environments
I think maybe a little bit with swimming I think swimming we just had that schedule and you just had to do it and it doesn't really matter like my coach
would say it doesn't matter if you're on your period if you've broken a leg
you're getting in the water like

(01:28:00):
good luck you know
that is so spotty like spot the way of training yeah
it was I have friends we've thrown up and you're getting back in the water like
you throw up blue Gatorade everything looks like shit you just well getting back in like good luck
I I I push myself only in survival situation like during the summer I went to xinjiang have you been to xinjiang

(01:28:27):
not yet it's on my list it's hard
I I just let you know it's hard as a corner cause I I run the motorcycle I couldn't even get gas without help of the local like they need to check your id before I add gas it's one of the most beautif
that's what
I hear of yeah
so there's a place called duku road okay
duku Gonglu and they only opened around two months every year because the rest of the time they they close because it's too cold and snow mountain but that road was beautiful

(01:28:54):
beautiful
it's beautiful like within that one road you can experience all fall season from snow mountain to the Springfield and and hot desert yeah
one row you get to experience all fall season it's amazing yeah
desert and snow mountain grass field here's the thing I lost my passport on the second day no

(01:29:17):
so what'd you do that's crazy
it's crazy but I was like but I still want to continue my trip I don't want to go back to the city and you know wait for a day or two so you know what
I make some call to my friends I asked them what to
do like okay you know what
you can go to a certain city on your way you just take a detour go to a certain city yeah
you can get it okay
you know what
let's do that and now let's enjoy my trip yeah

(01:29:41):
voila I can go get it on that day turns out so now my flight it's about twenty four hours later yeah
and I'm really really far I think it's a one thousand three hundred kilometers away
that's really far
I only have one one more day to go now I have an option I can cancel my flight yeah

(01:30:04):
and I can just book another one correct that's what
I would have done yeah
yeah that's what most people have done yeah
then I look at the map I calculated that if I don't sleep if I keep on ride for around 22 hours I will hit it on time so I calculated the resting time I skip sleeping
skip eating if I do it like one hour fifteen minute break every hour fifteen minute break about twenty one twenty hour I can get it I can make it I still three hours of leave yeah

(01:30:31):
so I should I do it
should I do it
you know what
let's try yeah
and I did I throw up three times on the road it was so enough like I have to go through sandstorm in the middle of desert the highway middle of the
night on the motorcycle it's not that heavy and whenever this truck went by I feel like I suck in by them yeah

(01:30:54):
twenty front one hour no sleep no eating keep on riding that's wild and I push myself to it so I will push myself like the way that you do the discipline okay
I'm not gonna sleep I'm not gonna it just has some like chocolate bar
yeah
keeps the bar just keep on going I will do it if it's for that right if it's just a coke or like a cigarette I'm weak

(01:31:17):
yeah
I'm so weak on it like I'm trying so hard to quit see not trying so hard but like I do nickel and gum
yeah I saw
yeah I do nickel and gum um I have a rude I don't buy secret
yeah but if you're in bars that cigarettes coming no matter where you are
and I'm hanging out with friends with small devil like hey Leon
do you want a cigarette
yes of course

(01:31:39):
I don't have the same sort of like mental strength as you do I'm a lot weaker
so I'll tell you that when we were at the bar girls come up all the time and they're like have a drink with me yeah and no matter how hot the girls were I would not drink alcohol
yeah and I've been sober for fifteen plus years nice

(01:32:01):
and it's just you just put down a foot
and you say this is not even an option you just take it off the table and then if it's not an option
your brain is just like well
I can't so I'll do something else just not an option the same way that coke is not an option right
just your brain is just telling you we can't do that so next what else can we do like let's find a way around this

(01:32:26):
because you're not drinking that coke
maybe you're born this way I feel like you're just wired differently
I don't think so no no
it's a self talk
it's a there's a lot of self talk
I see yeah that is very interesting I want to study I want to study this is great
because I think this level of self discipline it's something that really lack off in in modern day I agree

(01:32:50):
I feel like people are including myself like over indulge ourselves too much and I I think in order to do great things to achieve great things that is necessary
but I have the discipline I just don't have the motivation yeah
I'm just like I have great discipline in staying right here

(01:33:11):
okay
you are achieving of of staying where you feel comfortable
and that's perfectly fine I feel like there's just so much momentum that you're just like well
you know I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing
that's amazing
yeah
that's great
that's great I think this
is a great place to end again ah
ah before we end

(01:33:31):
tell everyone about your practice where are you looking to go with this
right right um
so I have this new practice
this new project
that's ongoing right now
where I basically want to train people and ultimately I want to train more psychologists yeah
because I see this definitely a huge need in mental health

(01:33:52):
but aside from that you know
like I share a lot of passion about art in the sport cars yeah
art adventure
psychology and I also think that's important
so my practice separate into different part the lower level why I just talk about movie and art and music and psychology relationship

(01:34:13):
so those are like in group setting
uh people
if they're interested come in and join them
would have a chat and then one level higher
where you will do sort of like a one on one session multilamate
like what's going on with your life
what about your career
what you wanna do or like I do
some consultation therapy
I do that right that's what level higher
but the highest level that I want to do is to be able to train more psychologists and professions yeah

(01:34:38):
who can inspire other people to make this world
a better place to influence more people so this
is what I'm doing right now
it's really fresh I only started like very recently yeah
I'm so passionate about this project i
feel like I'm like filtering out and condense all the experience and all my passion I have for the past 35 year of my life yeah

(01:34:59):
condencing to this project that sounds awesome
I'm doing do you have a name for it yet
I'm thinking about dreamboat
okay
yeah it's so corny
it's a little corny yeah
it's very corny do you know one piece
do you know the anime one piece
yeah that's a bunch of people going on an adventure together on the boat and having this great thing and don't know where it's gonna end

(01:35:21):
but it's a process of matter these aren't you it's
like at the end of the day it's the adventure is not about getting back home safe in one piece right
it's really about the story that I get to tell the experience I have so I don't know I haven't really fixed on the name yet because I now I'm like just trying it out yeah

(01:35:41):
with people around me and I already have like I I'm very lucky that I have a lot of friends express their interest and they always sign up like after Chinese New Year
they only sign up and I'm great start doing it in a way
but also this is a new experience for me like starting up business all by myself like scary yeah exciting
but but really scary so there are lot of things that I just have to try and I'll see what

(01:36:06):
kind of obstacle right
this is your shawshank redemption with the spoon you gotta keep going at it
yes
yeah I get you excited I'm very excited to see it if there's more news about it like once you get somewhere with it
please come back let tell us more about it
can I send you a poster absolutely maybe after the chance yeah
so we can put this

(01:36:26):
yeah
for sure that we okay yeah
thank you thank you so much
alright that's it with Leon see you guys later bye bye
好吧Leon欢迎回来
嘿很高兴见到你
你旅行了很多次，所以很难给你预订，进展如何？
我想去年我一共经历了十次冒险
几乎一个月一次。
这太疯狂了
你怎么做到的？
帮你拿到摩托车驾照
哦好吧好吧
才过了两周
没有那么远，没有那么远，是的
只有两周，因为我实际上
我知道如何从中国骑摩托车，
所以我已经知道了基础知识和一切，所以是的。
我刚刚预订了它，我去参加考试，是的，
你可以用双语做?
或者只是中文的
只有中文好吗
只有中文，但我的意思是它们是多选的，是的。
它们是多项选择题，大多数都有一个小标志号，是的。
大概40岁，还可以。
这是最大速度，这写的是40，哦，对。
实际上，你可以用常识来摆脱它
因为骑摩托车真的很难，尤其是在上海，我认为拿到车牌很难。
车牌很难是的
这就是为什么我实际上没有上海车牌，对吗？
如果你注意到
我没注意到是的
这是浙江的许可证，好吗？
浙江喜欢耶
是的，因为像Huae一样的那个大概要50万，太贵了。
它们很难买到，所以
绝对
如果我被抓了
每个人200英镑，好吗？
所以200块对50万
是的，你知道吗，甚至没有
甚至没有考虑
是啊甚至没有考虑
你不是一直在写，对吧？
我几乎把一切都写下来了
是呀
你几乎每天都写，是的
如果我被抓了
我被抓住了，没关系。
没事没事
没关系，这是一个什么
与其他摩托车相比，骑摩托车可能是风险最小的事情
他们中的一些人走得很快哦
耶耶
是呀
他们很快，一旦达到20岁左右。
如果出了什么差错
我做对了什么
对，但这是我所说的，这是一个非常好的心态，实际上就像带着恐惧骑马一样，我认为这是最好的心态，就像
我认为去年对我来说，我从所有这些冒险中学到的最大一课
我喜欢做危险的事情吗？
我总是以最安全的方式做这件事
你知道这是一个非常好的心态，你会成为一个了不起的骑手。
我不会，因为我无法克服骑摩托车的恐惧，对吧？
我想这需要更多的时间，我想如果我做了足够的训练，是的。
我觉得有一种平衡，你知道，一旦你觉得自己训练有素，可以做到这一点，你就不那么害怕了。
你应该更害怕
但是总是有不确定性，比如乘船，总是有不确定性，任何东西都可能在路上杀死你，是的
就像低沉的岩石桨
我知道
或者像一个没有看和开门的人，你撞坏任何东西都会在路上杀死你
所以即使在普通自行车上也会发生这种情况，是的
如果你以每小时780公里的速度骑行
所以这是我妈妈告诉我永远不要做的事情之一
另一个是不要骑摩托车，我没有这样做过，我不打算喜欢，这不在清单上，但就像我骑摩托车一样。
这是一种非常禅宗的体验，因为就像我骑摩托车一样
我不听音乐，因为我真的必须正确聚焦，比如
几个月前，我在台湾做环岛旅行，所以我环游了整个台湾，花了我大约一周左右的时间，实际上我失败了。
但不管怎样，我的观点是，我每天骑十到十二个小时，没有音乐，只有我和自行车在一排，所以我的注意力只集中在你知道我的愿景上。
就像你有很多时间或思考很多事情一样，是的
所以对我来说，就像骑摩托车一样，我实际上减少了早上冥想的时间哦
你必须是的
因为我有摩托车，所以每当我写作时
我只是进入那个那个
冥想的状态，就像专注于所有的感官和一切，这一定很棒，这是一种很棒的感觉，是的。
这是一种奇妙的感觉，嗯，很多人都说我们的祖父或以前的祖父有更好的原因
精神状态是因为他们没有耳机，他们没有我们所有的娱乐。
所以他们实际上花了很多时间只是无聊，无聊需要你的大脑去思考一些事情，通常他们比我们更多地自我反思
因为他们没有所有这些干扰，他们没有电视，他们没有收音机，你能听收音机多久？
因为你知道，他们经常有时间坐下来凝视思考，而我们现在没有人有时间谈论
就像我想跑题一样，这个标志是在谈论收音机，我觉得人们正在取代阅读书，所以阅读书来听播客我。
你认为这就像我很小的时候就养成的阅读习惯一样吗？是的。
然后我很长一段时间都不看书了，好吗？
哦，好吧，所以你做有声读物，是的
我做有声读物，好吧，听播客，但我只是给了我更多的时间，对吧？
这样我就可以骑自行车，然后听播客，我可以上地铁听播客，而不用担心错过我的车站。
对吧对吧
对因为看书
需要远见，通常你会专注于一本书，我猜你会浪费时间，然后突然就像你抬头看，你就像三站通过一样，对吗？
这发生了很多，对吧？
所以耳朵里有有声读物是件好事
我没有吸收那么多是的
我也发现了这个问题，是的，实际上如何集中注意力？
我被其他事情刺激，我分心了，我很好。
可爱吗？
但我只是没有时间百分之百专注于这就是为什么我不看视频，就像我不看视频一样，我只是听我所有的娱乐现在只是音频。
哦，我明白了，我明白了，你呢？我
看，这是一件事，我也有一个理论，因为我在一个我曾经在一个恋爱中工作的地方工作。
国际学校合作一所爱的国际学校，我搞砸了，现在有这么多孩子患有多动症，是的。
我想这就是我认为我们获取信息的原因
比老一代快得多，因为我们有，我们可以在听播客的时候玩手机，然后喜欢你和你的朋友说话。
当你吃东西的时候，是的，回到我们祖父那一代，他们
他们不这样做，他们一次做一件事，所以我认为这就是为什么它不像多动症，因为它是一个缺陷。
但我认为他们只是以非常不同的速度获取信息，是的
可能更快，他们处理事情的速度要快得多，这就是为什么他们可以做多任务来达到那个容量，或者被收购，好的，是的
如果他们没有得到那个模拟，他们就会感到无聊
或者像这样，你认为这不好。
我认为这是不同的，
我不知道这是更好还是更好，我可以看到优点和缺点，这就是我如何看待我们的父母
渴望社交互动，你会发现他们这一代人更喜欢出去和朋友聊天，他们更喜欢那种热闹
我妈妈称之为嗯，这是因为他们从来不需要总是随叫随到，我们这一代人实际上更享受和平与安静，因为我们总是随叫随到，当我们安静的时候，总会有这种事情发生。
我们就像哦，这很好，但是他们这一代总是很安静，他们想要更吵一点的东西。
所以他们实际上与我们截然相反，这条线总是在互联网出现的时候，对吧？
我也喜欢，但是因为在爱情旅行之后，大多数时候我去旅行时都是自己旅行，哦
真的没事
因为我旅行的方式，我去新的地方非常困难，我租了一辆摩托车，我有一个睡袋，我的帐篷，是的。
所以是的，有时我不刷牙，是的
不
大多数人
不，他们会做一个，我想在那里你会找到朋友，他们会和你一起做一两个，是的。
但是不可能每个人都有这样的速度，对吧？
对吧对吧
对，所以大多数时候我都是自己做的，每当我回来的时候。
我的朋友会说嘿
旅行怎么样？
太神奇了，我看到了你的照片，我意识到我并不是不想和他们分享，但我意识到即使我分享了，他们也可能不明白，因为他们不在那里，有时
有些经历很难通过语言来表达
就像那种禅宗状态，比如骑摩托车10小时12小时，这几乎就像每天冥想12小时，是的
连续两周很难告诉人们嗯，而且
我想去冲浪
是的，那只是给我的。
那只是给我的，是的。
那只是给我的，所以是的。
这很奇怪，我真的问了，我想问你，你是否注意到很多风景，比如如果你总是专注于自行车，就像你的道路一样
你也在内心自言自语，好像在某个时候风景对你来说并不存在。
哦，你必须这么做，因为当你
在摩托车上
你确实要注意一切呃
从低矮的岩石到风再到温度
空气中的潮湿，因为所有这些都会影响你的自行车性能
但是你多久会环顾四周，然后说哇
这太他妈华丽了哦耶
只需勾选它，只需勾选它，因为我自己有一个屋顶，所以喜欢回去，喜欢以安全的方式做危险的事情，我为自己卖了几个屋顶，是的。
嗯，如果我写一个小时，我会很好地设置闹钟。
很好，因为这就是失去注意力的原因，你没有，你不知道你会失去注意力，直到事情发生，是的，直到哦，妈的，哦
祝你一站愉快
是的，冷静和一切
所以
很高兴听到这个消息，因为我可以想象，即使只是和你的朋友在公路旅行中，你也会看到很长的直路，突然间你就不再注意了。
事故就是这样发生的
是的，你一直就像泡泡一样，你睡着了，不管怎样。
就像你的大脑关闭了一样
直到事情发生你才知道，对吧？
直到它实际上已经发生
通常当事情结束时
就像哦，去他妈的
这是我自己的一套规则，一套规则，当我
当我像没有音乐一样写作时
没有收音机没有零件
当我还是个孩子的时候当救生员
他们告诉你上一个小时，然后休息一个小时，一个小时后你必须离开椅子。
某个地方或半小时可以
但没关系
他们强迫你，因为有时太平静了，你只是你不能，身体上不可能保持这种注意力，是的
他们告诉你休息一小时，所以每次只有两三个救生员。
是的，只是很难保持注意力，就像游泳池里有多少人一样，你知道。
有人像这样放弃这种东西非常重要，所以我明白了，我认为这是一个很好的规则，他们会在摩托车学校教你吗？
没有，但是我有一个朋友比我有更多的冒险经验，所以我从那个朋友那里学到了很多东西。
抓到你了
我从那个朋友那里学到了很多，也喜欢在路上遇到其他骑手，我遇到其他冒险，我们会谈谈，我们会分享，因为我确实认为经常时间冒险。
我们在某种程度上很孤独，因为我们正在做一些大多数像你这样的人都很疯狂的事情，你为什么要冒生命危险？
你为什么
你为什么要这么做？
那不是高手机吗
为什么你为什么不去高速公路
你为什么要回到山里
更危险
但那里更好玩
它更漂亮
那里很漂亮，更有趣，我不想走安全的路。
如果我走100%安全的路线，我可能会开始呆在家里，是的
所以我在冒险我觉得我能处理好
有点像边境
是的，它的边界
但我会遇到其他冒险家，我们会分享我们的经验
别人给你的小费是什么？
除此之外，比如每小时休息一下
我觉得这是个好规矩
我认为最好的规则是以安全的方式做危险的事情
我认为这已经包括了很多东西。
这改变了我的想法
这就是为什么我今天穿的像机车裤
这只是一段时间，但这就是问题所在，因为我知道我在做危险的事情。
只是改变了我对很多事情的想法
我想这是最好的规则
我从其他冒险家那里学到了很多东西，
就像它会感到多么孤独，嗯，如何处理这种孤独
因为你在路上，你独自经历了所有的经历
当你回家的时候，也许不想分享，当我在路上的时候，即使我想念我的朋友
我不给他们打电话
我不我不和他们联系哦
我觉得那很好
好主意.
耶耶
因为我这样做是因为我想过不同的生活方式。
就像一点点
如果我还在打电话，就有不同的生活
你不在那里
我不在那里
我没有我不喜欢
我不在这一刻
所以我就离开了网格
就像你真的找不到我一样
实际上，就像去年八月的一些时间一样
我去了内蒙古附近的一个沙漠看流星雨
好吧
断网三天沙漠里也没信号
内蒙古很多地方都没有信号
是的，空闲的一天很孤独，实际上就像三天一样，很孤独。
因为这都是我自己的事
你知道吗
所以我去过内蒙古
我觉得最让我害怕的是很难找到
我猜占位符或你的方向是对的
因为一切都是平坦和绿色的，或者像平坦和沙漠一样
突然之间你就像我不知道哪条路是什么
我不知道我从哪里来，你只是觉得有点失落
对，因为没有方向感。
没有参考点
是啊没意义
完全是参考点，就像好的一样
这是参考
然后突然间我能想象海盗的感觉
因为大海只是平坦的
是的，突然间你就像我一样，我无处可去，我不知道我在哪里，是的，这也让我害怕。
我也有这种感觉，当我在沙漠的时候
它是直的，但感觉有点恐怖哦
是啊我知道
正是你所说的地方
你就是那个人，我的意思是，这是一种非常奇怪的感觉，对吧？
感觉是开着的
恰恰相反
我不知道那是什么感觉但我不喜欢
所以我想，哦，不，我不喜欢这样，这对我来说很不舒服，是的。
这就是为什么如果你在冒险，如果你遇到另一个冒险家
这是最令人兴奋的感觉之一
因为在大城市里很难找到有类似心态的人
所以你找到一个相似的人，其次
你刚刚在路上遇到了一个人
所以你可以谈论任何你想谈论的事情，你可以对一切百分之百诚实
因为你可能再也见不到那个人了，这只是一次性的。
但是你有这种亲密的感觉，是的，就像在路上遇到某人一样
如果有人需要帮助
你不碍事只是为了帮助他们
因为有一点社区意识
我可以得到那个
所以这就像是一次性的事情
你我们可以见一次面，我们分享了很多深谈，深厚的感情
分享你的生活你的创伤和一切
但那就像你们可能再也见不到对方了
你知道我认为这是什么吗？这只是一个理论。
我想那是因为你看到活着的人松了一口气
你就像哦，感谢上帝，我不会死的。
他还活着，这意味着我可能还活着，感谢上帝，好吗？
我们没事
可能是可能是可能是
但我真的很喜欢这些经历，因为是的。
感觉就像回到工业化前，就像工业革命前一样
当你认识那个人时，人们可能会一起打猎
你只是天生有这种动物本能，即使是陌生人，你也会互相帮助
所以但是当然
你也会意识到危险，就像有时一样，但是你可以分辨出是的，如果有人很好，你能吗？
我觉得我的直觉很好
是的，我是说你在那个行业，发现这个人可能有点奇怪，是的
我想我有很强的直觉
有些事情，比如我小时候在英国学习的时候
只有一次我和朋友在酒吧闲逛，当我走进酒吧时
我已经感觉到有什么不对劲了，比如我的头发竖起来了，我的胃感到不安，我告诉了我的朋友。
嘿，我想我们应该离开，我的朋友们喜欢我们为什么刚到这里吗？
我就像我不知道，但我就是感觉不到，所以我们离开了，然后在我们离开十分钟后
有人在酒吧里刺伤了另一个人
就像有很多这样的例子一样
我解释不了我是个心理学家所以严格来说我是个科学家
但这是我无法解释的事情，我的直觉
冒险越多，你就越学会依赖它
是呀
是的，你必须是的
因为有很多事情，比如当你在外面的时候
做所有这些冒险或者当我为没有寄宿生的医生做人道主义任务时
你没有足够的信息来对事情做出合理或合乎逻辑的结论
那里有很多问号
所以唯一能依靠的就是你的直觉
额
嗯，他们通常是对的，我认为这是动物的问题，我认为这是生存的问题，是的。
这只是我无法通过科学解释的事情，但我认为我们实际上都有。
我也这么想。
但对很多人来说，你生活在一个安全的环境中，一个封闭的文明中
人们失去了这种联系，但一旦你付出了足够长的时间，它就会回来。
我同意它会回来，但我也认为它需要像你说的那样，合适的环境，但也需要训练那种感觉的能力，就像你需要在那种环境中，就像哦
这就是被扒窃的感觉，对吧？
因为如果你不在那里
而你却不知道
体验是什么样的
人们可以告诉你哦
是的，在罗马。
你会被扒窃的
你有，在你的脑海里，你就像我明白了，但你的身体不知道那是什么感觉，然后突然你就像哦
我的东西不见了耶耶耶
是的，有些时候，当我们进行武术训练时，这种本能也会发生，是的，当你溺爱的时候
只是有一种感觉，你知道你在打开什么，他们经历了什么
这需要时间
这需要时间，是的。
就像读那些
那些那些肢体语言
是的，这只是需要时间，我看着真正的好人这样做，是的
他们可以闭着眼睛做，就像你知道的柔术一样
没有一点像视觉，但很多只是靠脸。
只是感觉是的
因为你只是和这个人联系，所以你知道他们在哪里移动
是的是的经验
是的，这只是需要时间，但我喜欢你所说的孤独，因为我认为现在的人比以往任何时候都更孤独
这是我的理论，我在播客上说了很多
我不认为人们会在生活中添加新朋友
事实上，他们依赖于他们工作或童年时的老朋友
然后希望这些朋友永远带着它们
他们应该以销售漏斗的方式看待自己
你有那么多人知道你
你把他们介绍给对你感兴趣的人
他们中的一些人成了好朋友
然后他们中的一些人成为最好的朋友
有一个很大的销售漏斗，但是如果你不继续增加人数
最终这些好朋友离开了你，他们有自己的生活
他们要去别的地方
无论发生什么，他们都会死去
但这只会越来越小
大多数人没有在顶部添加人员
他们认为这些人可以背着我
但我相信你有这些人支持的情感油箱
当你从三个朋友变成两个朋友时，你可能仍然没事。
但是一旦你击中一个，就太晚了，你无法靠33%生存。
然后有33%的人你没有在上面添加人。
你需要所有这些漏斗才能回到66%
到那时很多人就辞职了
他们就像这样，"我在做什么？我很难过，发生了什么事？"
他们不知道这实际上是因为你已经达到了66%，你没有注意到事情正在变得糟糕。
当你达到33%的时候，东西是空的。
你真的不知道，因为你没有花时间去…
你认为这是由于衰老还是现在这一代人的原因？
我觉得什么都有一点
我确实认为它在老化，
但我也认为很多人大学毕业后，你或大学听到“我如何交朋友？”
很多人这么说是因为他们认为友谊来自接近
就像他们习惯了亲近的朋友，以至于忘记了他们可以选择朋友
你可以出去做你的朋友
我觉得这是一种失传的技能
这就是为什么很多人和他们的老板或同事上床
因为这些人就在附近，他们没有意识到他们可以出去找到这些人
我脑子里有一个有趣的研究，我想和他们分享他们研究孤独的心理
他们研究了性别差异，他们意识到对于男性来说
A.男人有一个较小的社会群体，我们将依赖于我们与伴侣家庭朋友联系的极少数人
他们还研究了男人如何找到朋友
他们看工作，所以如果你做全职工作，男人
你可以在那边找到朋友
但如果是女性
你一周做一次还是一个月做一次的兼职工作并不重要
他们仍然可以设法在那里交朋友，因此很有趣。
他们还研究了离婚后的恢复时间，男性比女性花的时间长3倍，因为他们的社交圈较小。
就像你说的3个人，假设你妈妈、你爸爸和你的搭档。
是的，搭档离婚了。
一只脚不见了，是的，在女性可能是1/10或1/20之前，所以也许性别可能起了作用
我还觉得年龄也有影响
因为我刚从大学毕业，一切都是新的，所以你尝试这个你尝试那个
但是一旦你到了一定的年龄，你就会说“我不想尝试这个，这不适合我”
你已经有了你的固定圈子，你的舒适区，你坚持下去。
所以你很难扩展，对吧？
我认为新一代的交友方式也很不同，就像互联网一样。
我我想
他们交朋友的方式很不一样
但最终
我们作为社会动物
我认为我们都有与生俱来的相互联系的能力
我同意。
所以如果我看孤独的定义
嗯，这是一个非常简单的等式，比如你所拥有的社会关系的质量和数量，以及你想要的数量和质量。
好吧
所以这都是关于欲望的
所以我猜我不知道年轻一代是否会变得更加孤独
因为我觉得他们可能有潜在的假设，他们有较低的欲望或需求
所以他们的需求更低
想要的更低
是呀
需求较低
所以实际上更容易满足他们，我感兴趣，因为社会联系，你知道的友谊。
例如物理触摸
比如和朋友拥抱
这些东西可能对于新一代来说，我们可以通过其他东西来玩，比如发短信，在一定程度上是可以替代的，我的意思是对我来说，我当然可以。
我认为我们总是有这种需求，但我也觉得随着时间的推移，需求可能会减少，它是百分之百可替代的，但我可以看到可能会有一种趋势，随着时间的推移，需求会减少一点，哦
我我感觉就像
他们不知道他们需要它
也认为他们可能也不知道他们需要它，他们从未尝试过，他们从未经历过一个性感有趣的朋友，所以可能是的。
呵呵
这很有趣，因为我认为作为人类，我有一些东西是普遍的人类。
我认为其中之一是触摸，我认为体验握手、拥抱的能力就像能够在某人旁边跳舞一样，这种感觉很容易上瘾。
但就像它是人类一样，我们明白这几乎是人类的一部分，它不是机器人的一部分
我想我们已经旅行过了，在我们的头脑中，我们已经变得如此机器人，以至于我们不再意识到我们也是动物，就像我们也需要这种身体接触，嗅觉，这些感觉，都有点像
因为数字时代而忽略
这只是视觉和音频，它们都是重要的气味。
触摸品味它们对我们来说非常重要，我们有点像把它们放在次要位置，因为它们不可安装，你知道的，是的。
是的
是的，所以人们有点忘记了这些东西是必要的，就像我认为的那样。
简化成幸福，它是普遍的
但也有文化差异
亚洲文化，他们可能需要比我们认为的西方文化少一点接触。
所以有可能随着时间的推移，这会自我减少，是的
我仍然可以想象发生了什么
呃，想象一下发生了什么
我看到它发生了
我认为拥抱是你遇到新朋友时能做的最好的事情之一
我看到我被拒绝拥抱哈哈哈
我一直有一个极端的假设
是呀
我的头
我想分享，这听起来很疯狂，听起来很疯狂，但是你知道为什么我们有社会联系，因为我们太动物了，好吧，为什么我们这么动物？
因为我们需要彼此在猎人聚集的社会中生存，但现在对于大多数人来说
我们生活在一个文明的社会，这个社会要安全的多，所以也许社会需求并不能真正帮助我们生存。
或者我们不需要它来生存，就像你实际上可以在没有社交互动的情况下生活一样，比如精神上有不同的问题，但身体上你可以生存，是的。
你可以只订购为什么我的
我不抑制遇见一个，你可以订购所有这些东西，没有它你也能生存，所以也许我们必须相互联系的社会需求只是剩下的，你知道，就像在未来的时代，你有aI blah一样
废话连篇
如果你不需要它来生存，也许有一天，而不是一生中
但也许有一天这种需求会消失
我可以想象就像尾巴一样，对吧？
就像是的，我们不再需要它来生存了，所以它消失了，是的，所以也许这种社会需求在我不知道一百年后会是一样的。
200年了，但这可能是事实，而且现在正在发生。
它正在发生，它可能在我们说话的时候发生，是的
比如如果你完全没有心理健康问题
但实际上我们需要朋友才能生存吗？
可能没有
但心理健康问题是问题的一部分
是的，这是其中的一部分，但就像如果你正确使用时间一样
如果你用几代人来克服它，那么也许这是可以克服的，我想是的。
如果你说的是进化论的观点
就像你在说很长时间一样，是的
这是可能发生的，我无法想象这些关系是什么样的，尽管就像每个人都在的地方一样，我猜你在管子里的矩阵几乎是对的。
你只需要这个管子，它就能给你一切，这对我来说很可怕，就像我无法想象被卡住那样。
但是如果你想想新一代，如果我们假设新一代
他们相互交流的主要工具是
他们的电话
是他们的手机
那么你在和真人或人工智能说话有什么区别呢？
我不知道你是否真的相信
你能说你有一个Instagram账号吗？
比如十万追随者，其中有多少人你确定他们实际上是一个真实的人？
哦，很少，是的。
所以如果你能和他们发短信并和他们交谈，你能区分gpt和真人吗？
我想我不能嗯
是啊那为什么呢
它不是可以更换的吗？
那么如果我们只是在做在线技术
因为这不是真的，你能看出来吗？
主观，这很奇怪，事实是主观的，是的
你想知道吗？我想大多数人会说是的，但是你可以一辈子都不知道，你可能会更开心，但是你为什么想知道？
因为这是真的，因为我想知道真相，我认为这是一样的。
也许我和这个人工智能玩得很开心，是的。
但我想知道什么是真实的，我想知道它是一个真实的人，我想我们体内有某种东西。
这就像我想知道什么是真实的，我想知道我的伴侣没有欺骗我，我想知道我在和一个真实的人说话，比如
让我们走极端
go for让我们走极端
我还看到的是，也许因为我们已经习惯了在线短信和一切，我认为新一代的互动是不同的，是的
比老一辈人多，所以在整个过程中，也许你觉得和人工智能说话比和一个人说话更舒服，因为随着时间的推移
也许一个人会变得更以自我为中心，因为就像你为你服务的一切一样，强调与你认识的人的同理心同情的能力
越来越难得到，因为难的一半飞镖是对的
所以也许随着时间的推移，人们更喜欢用机器人而不是人和你说话，我已经看到了这种趋势，哦，真的吗？
是的，我已经看到了这种趋势。
人们不舒服的地方
铁
我不喜欢说话
他们以此为借口好像我不想再说话了
对吧
对，很多人，年轻一代会经常以此为借口，就像我不社交一样，他们会把自己变成一个孤独的人
因为他们就像他们说服自己他们是内向的，不管他们是不是，然后他们就像，因为与人交谈越来越难。
是的，是的，这不是你真正需要生存的东西，或者你需要生存，而是随着时间的推移
但是随着时间的推移，想象一下，如果你在一家我不知道的科技公司工作，它是一家公司，是的。
如果每个人都只是tass导向，你可以自己做所有的事情
你必须与人交朋友吗？
作为一个心理学家也有点孤独
我和医生营养学家一起工作，但除此之外，大多数时候我都是独自工作。
独自一人，是的，我确实认为在未来
来会有更多这样的工作mm
嗯···
需要更少的团队合作
但是
呵呵
我得到了你
我知道你从哪里来，好吗？
我认为
那是更少的
我讨厌用几乎整体这个词
好吧
因为我相信一个人是一个完整的存在，一般来说，各种疾病和健康都涉及许多部分，是的
大多数时候不仅仅是一件事，而是几件事，是的
所以我希望在一个理想的世界里，有多个人把我当成一个人来工作。
而不仅仅是去药剂师那里拿止痛药来止痛
就像在健身时，很多人过去会说“好吧，我要吃一些止痛药”
止痛药，而不是去看物理治疗师，就像嗯，也许是这个。
然后去看心脏病专家，就像
也许是因为你的心脏如果他们齐心协力
你对它可能是什么以及你需要做什么有一个完整的了解
对，是的，这有道理，是的
但我确实看到了一种趋势，即每个人都不与其他人交谈
然后你就会想“哦，可能是这个”，这是更容易赚钱的方法。
就像楼下一样，我们在谈论我对人们是否变得更加孤独的看法
我真的觉得趋势不是孤独，我觉得趋势是焦虑，因为我焦虑而不是孤独，好吧。
好吧，这就是我的经验，是的。
因为我和孩子们一起工作，从那以后，我就一直觊觎我里面的箱子，它是天空火箭，我分享了那次经历，我的假设，我想原因之一是因为社交媒体。
没有年龄限制
没有年龄限制，嗯，我两个月前就开始这么想了，因为我在澳大利亚看到了新闻。
他们对使用Instagram或社交媒体设置了h限制，就像它很好一样
我认为这是个好主意，你会像他们一样被迫十六三岁
他们就像睡觉时间一样服务，所以就像十点以后，他们说你通知了，然后你的账户停用了这样的东西。
这是自由主义的想法，但我确实认为应该为年轻一代设置某种过滤器。
我们认为互联网上所有有毒的东西都像色情，你知道，暴力的性内容。
我认为它们是有害的，有毒的。
但它们不是最糟糕的部分
我认为互联网对年轻一代最有害的事情是那些抱怨生活的中年人
我没有钱支付我的抵押贷款，是的
绝望
我不知道生命的意义是什么天啊我的老板太蠢了
就像我认为这是有毒的，因为
这太疯狂了，但我认为这让希望破灭了。
当他们看到未来，当他们看到成年人就像世界上没有希望一样，那我为什么要这么努力学习？
因为即使我攻读了学位，我也可能会被人工智能取代
即使我保住了工作，我的老板也很愚蠢。
我只是觉得这是互联网上最糟糕的部分，就像那些叔叔一样
那些抱怨，如果你喜欢你的生活
像我们这样的人，我们不会花那么多时间在互联网上，我们告诉人们这有多棒
所以你最终会有最糟糕的，而不是最糟糕的，但就像声音最大的人通常一样
最不满意的人，为他们描绘了世界
最糟糕的是，这也是现实的一部分，你不能否认。
你不能告诉孩子没有生活不是那样的，里面都是糖果。
你不能告诉他们，因为那不是他们在网上看到的。
这也是事实，这也是现实的一部分，现在我作为一名心理学家
我需要重新给他们带来希望
但这很难，因为这与他们所看到的世界相矛盾
这很难，这就是焦虑来自绝望的地方，比如好吧。
为什么我现在要这么做？
为什么为什么我要努力工作
为什么我必须努力学习
如果世界是这样
这一切是为了什么？你知道，就像我小时候一样
我是看动漫长大的
漫画书，你知道漫画，都是关于希望的！
就像如果你努力工作，如果你把精力投入到友谊中，你知道你可以过上美好的生活
但现在我不这么认为了
我也认为艺术是一件大事
我两周前刚从柬埔寨回来
我很抱歉，但我意识到我真的不太喜欢柬埔寨。
不是因为它是一个贫穷的国家，就像我去过很多贫穷的国家，比如菲律宾。
我喜欢这些地方，因为当我走在街上时，我喜欢城市的声音
当我走在街上时，酒吧正在播放美妙的音乐
他们是快乐的人
没错！因为艺术教会人们享受抽象的东西，是的
如果你没有艺术
你只考虑生存，你想到钱，你知道那些有形的东西。
我不喜欢柬埔寨，因为我觉得那是一个没有艺术的地方。
嗯···
这是一个巨大的影响，现在如果你看看我们现在的娱乐
是呀
你知道什么是微短剧吗？
今天我不认为艺术不是抽象的东西
因为如果你看看他们创造的材料，还可以。
有人在工作中被欺负，你知道我爸爸是谁吗？
我爸比你爸有钱
我看过了，这不是艺术
这不是抽象的
是呀
所以我认为这也发挥了作用，所以从我个人的角度来看，这可能是艺术文学音乐的解决方案。
戏剧，真的很有趣。
这是一个非常浪漫的
这是一种非常浪漫的思维方式，但我确实这么认为，嗯
嗯，我确实认为如果你能向他们展示如何欣赏艺术，他们会在知道后有这个想法，好吗？
也许生活不仅仅是钱，也许我可以过着美好的生活，享受生活，只是坐在海滩边
弹吉他，听美妙的音乐，也许这是一个解决方案
我认为艺术确实反映了生活
我的朋友cn她的名字是荒谬的丛林蝴蝶
但她的歌是关于如何
我真的不想谈
对人们来说，当我和人们交谈时，我感到焦虑，就像社交对我的心理健康来说非常困难一样，你知道，剪辑
艺术真的反映了别人的感受，因此当人们感到非常
在绝望的深渊中，艺术就变成了这样，它只是反映社会给了他们什么，没有多少希望。
也许是因为人们没有感到希望，你知道，很难有这种感觉，然后创作出让你感到希望的艺术、文学或电影。
你认为这是一个恶性循环
我认为它刚刚到来，它是一个螺旋，它只是沿着马桶走下去，而不是向上走。
好吧，我能数一下吗？
当然，谈论艺术中的绝望和音乐中的孤独
当我觉得让我们假设你去一个糟糕的分手
你不听快乐的歌
不
不做最坏的打算
分手歌喜欢球你的眼睛和哭泣
但这是一种治疗，你真的感觉好多了。
之后你觉得你被别人理解得肯定是正确的，所以我实际上不认为它会继续下去，我确实认为在你听了这些东西之后，这种治疗元素实际上可能会
摆脱它，提高兴趣，它给你勇气，是的
就像不，我有点明白你在说什么，是的
是的，生活的勇气，我最近看了一部叫《回头好吗》的电影。
你知道吗，这是来自日本的动画电影，好吗？
太长了，就像长篇故事一样，这是关于一个喜欢写漫画的女孩，一个老孩子遇到了另一个也喜欢发表评论并成为朋友的朋友，所以他们一起写漫画哦
有一天一个女孩决定
我可以和你一起写漫画，所以女孩离开了，不幸的是，发生了可怕的事情，她被杀了，哦，不
所以另一个女孩成为了一个非常著名的漫画作家，日本最好的漫画作家之一，回头看整件事是哦
如果我从未见过她如果我们从未一起写过漫画
也许她能活下来
也许她不会去大学学习艺术
也许她能活下来
这基本上就是整个故事，是的
但是当我回头看那个故事的时候
嗯
我想是因为在故事里
这个女孩想上大学，因为她一生都很长，她焦虑地和别人说话是因为她遇到了另一个女孩，这就是她出来的方式。
有勇气去
终于有勇气走出去
我对这部电影的理解是，如果你在做艺术，即使你以非常小的方式改变了一个人的生活，那仍然是值得做的，是的
这仍然是做艺术最崇高的目的
在某种程度上，如果你相信艺术是一种语言，它是表达，那么也许这也是社会再互动改变彼此生活道路的意义。
我百分之百同意这一点，这也是我做这个播客的部分原因
很好，就像写这对夫妇的音乐一样，你也在改变人们的生活，你也在创造积极的影响，会有人螺旋式下降，是的
也会有很多人螺旋上升
我认为只有一个人因为你的艺术过上了更好的生活，这就是你工作丛林蝴蝶的意义。
是呀
丛林蝴蝶
她哈哈哈她很棒嗯
但我只是觉得为了摆脱一些事情，是的，你仍然需要有希望，你知道，没有希望，你就永远不会到达那里，你永远不会从向下突破。
你知道，对于你所说的，我确实觉得现在有点缺乏希望，就像很难感觉到世界是一个好地方一样，你知道，嗯
我认为很多来自
变得越来越孤立
就像我之前说的
沟通障碍变得如此之高，因为每个人都闯入了自己的回音室，是的
这些回声室成为语言变化的地方
你知道，当语言发生变化时，为了让我进入你的空间，我必须学习一门全新的语言，对吧？
然后对我来说，跳进这些空间变得非常困难，因为有如此高的病毒入口，人们只是停止这样做，好吗？
一个很好的例子是年轻人，有时我知道我们都在说普通话。
但是他们的普通话我的普通话不一样
我就像你刚才说什么？
我只是在网上迷失了方向，我想我明白为什么人们不想再交流了。
因为我和不在我回音室的人说话的门槛太高了
这只会变得更糟因为回声室在缩小
这些人有这些小团体，他们在这些团体中很开心，很开心。
但就像这些群体永远不会有新人一样
因为你的障碍越来越高，你越来越分离自己
但是他们让他们的朋友在他们的团队中知道，就像年轻一代一样，所以我们可能更难加入进来，是的。
大概喜欢
但是当我十六岁的时候，他们很少一遍又一遍地听到同样的废话
是的，可能不会太喜欢让一个三四十岁的人跳到我的朋友群里。
你在干什么？
是呀
你为什么在这里是
请迷路，对吗？
绝对可能是古老的，但抱歉，我能回到希望的话题吗，因为你说的话。
是关于希望的
我总是告诉我的病人一件事，你就是你。
一个电影迷，你喜欢电影吗？
我不看
我没什么文化
哦好吧好吧
你知道阿甘口香糖吗
是啊当然了
Shawsha救赎是的好吧
从来没有人会得到
你会得到什么？
是啊没错
所以你只要继续跑，好事就会发生在你身上
我认为这完全是胡说八道
客观上这是一部好电影，但实际上我讨厌这个信息
嗯···
我不觉得
这就是希望
你不会一直跑下去，我不认为好事会发生在你身上。
这就是希望
我想希望是肖尖锐的救赎，好吧，每天用低勺子，你把洞拿走，你把洞放在最后，放一些出去。
对吧
你可以出去，我想这就是你的希望。
你开始做某事
我告诉我的孩子如果你看不到希望
希望不会只发生在你身上，希望不是好事
你必须开始做，你必须向可能性敞开心扉，然后你就有希望降落在你身上的空间。
我不确定你从阿甘那里得到了正确的信息
好吧
等等
因为我有一个比较，好的，对吧？
你还记得珍妮吗
比如他的女朋友
世界上最糟糕的人
我讨厌珍妮
你知道吗？
我真的喜欢她我来告诉你为什么
她是一个有梦想的人，嗯，想去洛杉矶
女演员的生活暂时不起作用，她成了脱衣舞女
我想最后会得艾滋病是的
也是妓女
还有军官，对吧？
他的整个家庭将他的一生都奉献给了国家，最后他失去了一条腿。
不，没有腿，所以我觉得电影嘲笑努力追逐梦想的人，好吧
那是我的，那是我的看法
这让我感到很不舒服，因为努力工作的人最终都不会好起来。
但是对于阿甘，他什么也没做。
没有目标，他只是继续奔跑，好事一直发生在他身上，就像我得到正确的信息一样
我明白你想给人们希望
但我不认为这是一种方式，同时你在嘲笑别人
我觉得你在嘲笑珍妮你在嘲笑中尉
丹中尉耶
是的，丹中尉，你在嘲笑那些努力工作却没有好结果的人
他们没有得到他们应得的，是的，阿甘森林…
是啊所以也许
也许我看错了…
也许我读得有点多了
但这让我觉得很不舒服
所以我明白你的意思了，我明白你的意思了，是的。
但是森林也克服了
就像他一直在打乒乓球，变得越来越好
在很多方面，他不去想其他任何事情，只是打乒乓球的能力很像勺子
时间和只是ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba，最终希望确实到来的美好事物
但是没有目标，尽管他这样做不是为了追求什么，而是为了追逐梦想。
这让他很开心
好吧是啊是啊是
就像是
我会给你一个我最近在另一个播客上讲的故事，好吗？
马修·麦康纳正在意大利和一位老太太聊天，他说她非常健康。
她说，是的，你知道，我去了，我在这个小海湾里游泳，我不知道你是否听过这个故事？
她说我去这个海湾游泳，他的第一反应是你游多远？
你游得有多快？
他意识到这是一个美国人，一个现代的正确做法。
老太太回答说，我只是游泳，直到我不想再游泳了，嗯
它为他点击，他明白了。
多年来我一直在说，不需要目标，你可以做你喜欢做的事情，直到你不想再做了，然后继续这样做。
上海的所有人都喜欢
Arthur你已经坚持攀岩三年了
我就像"是的，但是我喜欢，我喜欢，就像我很高兴这样做，最终十年
当你受伤退出的时候，我还会在这里，我会比你更好
因为我一直在以缓慢的速度做这件事，是的…
但我很高兴这样做，对吗？
这是有道理的，每个人都在衡量一切，每个人都试图超越不
对吧
对我不想我只想开心
对吧
是的，我喜欢你说的话，但我也认为我同意，但我认为有步骤是的。
我们会谈论一个没有希望的人
所以第一件事是你通过给他们一些激励他们目标的东西来激发希望，一旦你有了目标，你就会学到不同的水平。
这就是你所说的水平，加入这个过程，做你喜欢的事情，所以我认为它们就像你必须到达那里的步骤，你必须到达那里，你必须首先按照美国的思维方式去做。
我认为啊哈对你来说是对的，因为如果一个孩子对年轻一代没有希望，我的病人没有希望，很难告诉他们只是试着享受你正在做的事情，是的
因为他们没有什么喜欢的，所以你首先必须给他们一些东西，然后他们学会摆脱那个东西，是的
是的，嗯
因为我年轻的时候就到了那里，我学会了游泳。
我明白了努力工作是有回报的，就像所有这些东西一样，非常年轻，好吗？
我认为年轻时的运动真的可以塑造性格，是的
绝对
嗯
也是关于学习失败
你不可能永远赢
你会一直赢的每一种下雪方式，总会有比你更好的人，总会有，只是研磨，这很有帮助。
是的
我认为很多年轻一代没有，嗯，很多年轻一代都有参与
有一种平衡，一方面每个人都得到奖杯，另一方面，即使我尽我所能努力工作，也有一种叫做天赋的东西。
这不允许我再晋升了，这就是没有天赋的硬币的两面
我不知道我是否告诉过你
在我成为心理学家之前，我是一名专业音乐家哦
我看到你在舞台上表演的所有照片，所以我有个主意。
是的，我是一个音乐家，实际上这是我小时候唯一想做的事情，好吗？
我唯一想做的事，但我最终放弃了音乐，我告诉人们我放弃音乐是因为
我可以以此谋生，这是部分原因，是的
别误会我的意思，这是部分原因，但实际上
一个很大的原因是在某些时候我觉得我只是没有天赋来实现任何事情
这是我想做的，这是我对天赋的评价，我相信有1%的人在天才等方面有很好的天赋，他们只是性格不同，是的。
我相信
我也是
但我认为对大多数人来说
他们在遇到障碍之前就放弃了
他们他们他们还没有付出足够的努力足够的汗水和鲜血来训练自己去感受障碍
他们只是辞职了，哦
我不需要你
不知道你不像你没有付出努力，是的，去感受它，我觉得这是人们给自己的一个借口，是的
因为我经历了同样的事情，我经历了同样的事情。
我和才华横溢的天才音乐家一起工作
这真的有点伤害我的自我意识
老实说，它必须是
我五岁时开始演奏音乐。我八岁时演奏吉他。
所以当我在高中遇到我的一个朋友时，我已经演奏音乐六年了
然后这个朋友才拿起吉他半年，它弹得比我好，哦，我的上帝
那是一种可怕的感觉，意识到哦，我的上帝
这个天才就在我面前
我只是没有能力做到这一点，但我仍然在努力。
我在27岁正式退出音乐事业，嗯，27岁，但我认为追逐梦想
这是最困难的事情之一，也是最浪漫、最神奇的经历之一。
但这是痛苦和折磨
我不认为人们真的理解，因为自我怀疑就像你失眠一样，想着它好吧。
我有它让你失眠的东西，你因此失去食欲，这是一次非常痛苦的经历，是的。
但它仍然值得拥有仍然值得拥有，这些是我关于希望的概念
梦想是什么，但现在就像现在回到亲吻的时候一样
我只是没有比我聪明的孩子游泳比我快的天赋，我必须以一种方式激励他们
你确定这是天赋，也许那个人比你更努力，你怎么知道这是纯粹的遗传天赋，就像哦，这太好了，就像我可以给我们举一些例子，比如内特·罗伯逊，好吗？
我不认识这个人好吧
这是一个5英尺8NBA球员
这告诉你是的
哈哈耶
天赋对那1%来说很重要，但是如果你想做你想做的事情，也许你不一定要成为那前1%。
你可以用努力来补偿它，嗯，用努力来补偿它，你可以，你可以补偿它。
我同意这一点，我认为这就是
我给人们带来了解决焦虑问题的希望，我发现了，我会说它实际上是有效的。
它必须是有效的，这就是我发现的孩子们的大问题，好吧，我看很明显，好吧。
在上海的柔术课上，我想现在很多健身房。
那么小的第一件事是什么？
吉米对爸爸妈妈说，当他们看到爸爸妈妈在教室后散步时，猜猜是什么
妈妈来接他
那孩子对妈妈说的第一句话是什么
啊太棒了
我想明天再来
电话在哪里
噢
哈哈哈从来没有哈哈哈
有道理。
90%的孩子会看到手机呢
一直
我看到了很多，你看到这个孩子玩得很开心，父母就像我如何让我的孩子真正去爱一样
像你们一样的柔道
我怎么才能得到你的孩子？
他们喜欢手机，他们沉迷于手机，他们试图享受其他东西，但他们的大脑沉迷于那部电影，是的
当然，我的意思是就像你有Facebook Instagram一样
TikTok你有最天才的人在做这件事，让人们上瘾，是的
你有专门做这件事的人，是的
那是他们的全部工作
这是一个完整的工作，是的，让你上瘾，所以当然
我的意思是这是一场失败的战斗
这是一场失败的战斗，所以这些父母敦促这些孩子找到你的激情
找到你感兴趣的东西，你喜欢的东西，也许他们在路上找到了。
但它被一种形式的基本毒瘾所掩盖，所以他们可能已经经历过了，他们真的很享受，但只是他们的大脑
告诉他们我只想玩手机
他们让他们上瘾
对这些孩子来说是如此强大，以至于他们没有意识到这是我可以做得很好的事情，这是我真正可以做的事情，因为即使在那次训练中
他们在想我玩的那个游戏
你知道的
你认为应该有限制的心
百分之百我认为这些孩子对这些东西上瘾了，他们只是忘记了活着的感觉，是的
为了生活而生活
在摩托车上，他们永远不会明白没有手机的价值
就在这里，我在一次旅行中与一次冒险进行了交谈，我想它在我
我忘记了太多的旅行
是呀
我遇到了这个人哦起来
在山里在我家的歌里好吧
在泰国北部。
遇到了这个人，我们正在谈论冒险，我们就像哦，就像
如果我们有更多像世界冒险这样的朋友就好了，我告诉了我的朋友。
如果世界上大多数人都是像我们这样的人，这个世界会很糟糕，是的
这个世界不会是不，我完全知道你在想什么
如果大多数人永远不会像你一样，那就会
有趣
但它可能会比100%的功能更少，所以
是呀
我想活在那个世界吗
我不知道是的我懂你
我明白这个世界需要人们来推动它前进，对吗？
你知道的
我们甚至不要前进，让我们后退几步，你不好奇吗？
嗯不
好吧，好吧，你最好奇的事情是什么？
我的意思是，看到恐龙是如何死亡的会很酷。
比方说海底有什么
如果外星人创造了金字塔，就像那些基本的东西一样，真的有亚特兰蒂斯，就像我们作为人类已经忘记的东西一样，会比你知道的更酷，我想我们目前正在研究的其他东西是真的。
我我确实认为
技术人员正在失去惊奇感，因为很容易得到答案，是的
似乎有什么你不知道的聊天，相信谷歌会给出答案，是的。
所以人们失去了好奇心和好奇心，似乎我们都可以对所做的各种事情给出答案
嗯，这就是为什么我不喜欢事情是可衡量的，好吗？
嗯，我认为当事情变得可衡量时
他们变得有点无聊，是的
嗯
我喜欢谈论金刚会打哥斯拉吗
对吧
这可是蝙蝠侠对超人的比赛，对吧？
但是如果你开始像超人一样测量x量，然后开始把数字放在谈话中无聊的部分。
有趣的部分是不可估量的，对吧？
就像蝙蝠侠让你知道所有这些准备时间一样，对吧？
所有这些不可估量的东西都让谈话变得更加有趣，对吧？
然而一旦你测量了东西哦
x大于y
这就是他们赢得好的原因
这不再是一个有趣的对话，是的，对我来说变得很无聊，是的，你知道。
这就是为什么当人们开始谈论金钱时
这是我最不想谈论的事情，因为钱是如此可衡量，而且它是如此无聊的确定性
是的，我不想谈论这个，我宁愿像你金刚一样打他的屁股，因为你知道
金刚有你知道的大脑做这件事
就像那更有趣一样，因此也许是解决我们作为艺术抽象的问题的方法，因此也许
也许这很有帮助，就像它打开了一个充满想象力、奇迹和好奇心的全新世界一样，这种感觉很重要，是的。
数字化和可衡量的，对我来说不那么有趣，是的，你知道的。
这就是为什么我喜欢我的冒险，因为每当我去冒险
这对我来说太可怕了，这有什么可怕的？
我想知道我在哪里目的是什么
这是什么目的？安心安全。
我猜
你不认为你能处理好自己吗？你不需要相信自己能处理好吗？哦
不不哦
就像我有点喜欢风险一样，但我也知道外面有些东西。
就像也许是东边
岛和岛的西侧，如果我不知道我在哪里，也许蛇是另一条蛇，它咬了我，就像什么？
如果这边有熊，那边什么都没有，有些事情我无法克服，我不知道，这很可怕，我能给你举个例子吗？
去吧，嗯，所以回到台湾，我调查了一下，嗯
我已经知道台风会来袭四天了
会打得很糟糕
我会离开的，所以我
我我决定退出我决定
好吧，这次我吃不完，是的。
所以我现在必须绕回来。
我有两条路要走，要么穿过高速公路，这是快速安全的直线，但很无聊。
因为骑摩托车高速公路是最无聊的
最无聊的也是
也有点危险因为你太快了
或者我可以穿过这座山
哪座山会更危险，但我决定和山一起去。
多一点乐趣
我才进来4天，我的自行车上没有充电器，所以我的电池所剩无几，所以我去餐馆。
我问他们我可以在这里给手机充电吗？
所以我给我的外部电池充电，是的
充电宝，他们开始去山上，瞧，两个小时后，它开始排名非常靠前，所以下雨的时候在山上骑摩托车。
拖鞋一开始就很危险
最糟糕的是我的流行音乐湿了。
是的，所以现在它正在漏电，我只剩下16%了。
我还有4个小时的车程要出山去安全的地方
但是离日落只有两个小时了，山上没有路灯，是的。
我只靠灯这真的很危险
所以我必须打个快速电话，我该怎么办？16%
它不可能在右边有全球定位系统的情况下持续四个四个小时，晚上我几乎看不见，如果它在你面前，你就骑着摩托车在风中行驶
没关系，如果它在你后面，你就开慢一点。
你把你推得更快了，这仍然很好，最危险的一边到另一边。
因为你会失去平衡，如果行是湿的，山在那里，所有这些都是向上和向下的曲线，你必须在视力不好的情况下换挡。
对，没有全球定位系统，或者你不知道转弯有多急，告诉我你停下来了，我没有，我没有，所以我14%16%离开了我
决定做我停止
我用10分钟来记住一张地图
好吧，右转或左转后转多少圈？
我只是用时间来记住
尽我所能，是的
我关掉手机，我只是去拿，每隔一个小时左右就打开一次，检查一下我是否收到了，是的，在你结束时，我设法出去了。
但我湿透了，是的，我湿透了，这很危险，一切都很危险，但当我最后一次倒下时
喜欢
你觉得不舒服，我在那里拿了20分钟，你忘记了，是的。
这就是生活的感觉
是的，我们认为这是理所当然的
因为我承担了这个风险，是的，很好，因为我不知道我是否能做到，但我有信心我可以做到。
能够做到，我只需要格外小心，我只需要专注四个小时，我做到了，这就是我的意思，如果你总是在控制，你就不会有那种感觉。
是呀
你不明白，当我告诉人们我这样做的时候，好像你疯了一样
是呀
你疯了，你应该留下来，或者你应该沿着高速公路走，你为什么要这么做？
因为我拥有生命的感觉
我认为这是最棒的之一，我理解你。
我最近，我不知道我是否告诉过你，但我们最近去了巴厘岛，好吗？
然后我看到了这个美丽的岩层，不知道有多远，但我就像在那里游泳，然后我到了那里，我触摸了这块岩石，它很漂亮。
然后突然我开始游回来，我没有回来，水一直把我拉向错误的方向。
哦，狗屎
一开始我想是的，让它成为一个没什么大不了的，它没那么远，就像我可以看到海岸没有发生一样，然后在我的脑海里，我想我的女朋友在海滩上。
她会讲述她男朋友是如何失踪的，再也没有回来，因为你知道
我就像哦
感谢他妈的上帝就像
我会被卡住，但后来我明白了你的意思，就像与海洋交谈的能力一样，就像是的
随便
让我回到岸边
这是一种很棒的感觉，就像把你的脚放在沙子里，哦，我能站起来，是的，你知道那种感觉就像感谢上帝，是的
但我明白，但如果你问我，你会再做一次吗？不，见鬼，不，我明白那种感觉真的很棒，但是
会上瘾的
噢不
会上瘾的
现在太老了
我也意识到，就像你在游泳的过程中一样，你有自言自语的权利，所以我必须说自言自语，我意识到自言自语非常有趣，是的
是呀
为什么我处于这个位置？
为什么我处于这个位置？
我为什么不就待在家里
虽然我的坏玩我的手机视频游戏会很开心
快乐多了
我为什么要这么做？
在那次经历中，我过来回答，呃，因为我不想死，这就是原因。
但不是最大的恐惧，最大的恐惧就像我没有过我的生活一样
是呀
它有助于集中注意力
集中注意力，是的，在那四个小时内，我认为这是我一生中最集中注意力的时刻之一，嗯，我能感觉到一切都在进行，轮胎上的每一件东西，是的，潮湿，你知道
叛逃我能感觉到一切，是的，这是一种奇妙的感觉，就像一旦你处于这种情况
你的身体被推到极限，你打开了这么多不同的感官
就像现在没事一样
我听起来像个疯子，但是我喜欢和很多冒险交谈，喜欢一两个冒险，每个人都有更多或相同的感觉，那些去过那里的人理解得很好，对吗？
尽管这听起来很疯狂，但我无法向你解释，但这是真的，是的，这是真的。
我的外卖或从多个像水基债务中拿走的是哦
但我绝对可以做得比现在更好，嗯，你知道的。
为什么不多做一点，让自己稍微安全一点呢？
是的，我认为这很危险，但也很安全，是的
是的大自然总是比我们大哦
当然，是的
就像我有这种感觉，因为我经常来。
现在我经常来，我想到了我们拥有的技术，你知道空调，风扇，我们试图取代大自然能给我们的一切，是的
大自然能给我们的东西要好得多，实际上，如果你生活在一个有惊人天气的地方
它比空调好得多，就像鲜花的味道一样，比任何香水都好，他们肯定能闻到任何我们寻找的舒适的东西，这项技术实际上给了我们
你确保有一个更好的版本，它是免费的，嗯
我不同意这一点
我明白你的意思，好吗？
但是有
69度的房间的感觉太完美了，我不知道有什么我真的很喜欢的，比如食物，对吗？
就像味精一样，好的。
它尝起来很好，但就像新鲜食物一样，比任何东西都好
我真的认为有些食物和香料我认为很棒。
嗯，一瓶冷可乐，哦，比我能自然找到的任何东西都好。
只是它是新鲜化学制成的，非常适合你的感官，一罐新鲜的可乐是不真实的。
你可以给我一百个椰子，我还是会说“我想要可乐”
技术确实有一些东西
我还知道你曾经拥有一家餐馆，是的
所以在你看来
你认为食物的新鲜度是最重要的吗？
这很重要
好吧但不是最重要的
但我认为将自然与非自然配对的能力，你了解人类的感官，你能知道某种程度上让食物变得更好吗？
这就是大厨该做的
因为我比较了日本菜和中国菜，意识到中国人的烹饪方式非常有趣，他们添加了很多东西，你知道。
就像蒸搅拌一样，他们喜欢日本之前的方式
更简单
但这都是关于新鲜度的，是的
也许是个人偏好，但我倾向于日本人，是的，就像我的身体更喜欢它一样，嗯，就像中国的y mai一样。
有时我像面条一样下单，我太咸了，后来口干舌燥，是的。
味道不错，但与日本食物相比，我的身体不太喜欢它，所有的质地都很新鲜，是的。
加一点酱油，就可以走了，是的，就可以走了。
偶尔在手机上玩游戏是件好事
好吧
是的，给你的大脑吃垃圾食品的能力，有时给你的身体吃垃圾食品。
它很棒
最终是关于选择的
就像如果有人沉迷其中
这个人没有正确的选择
所以这一切都是关于你有能力做出选择吗？
是的，你知道外面有不同的选择吗？
耶耶
然后这很难，就像很难把自己限制在这个数量一样
你知道我自己的，我每个月只喝一罐可乐，如果那样的话，我一个月只能喝一罐可乐。
我要喝掉那该死的可乐
我很好奇你对自律的建议是什么？
自我行为，比如如何
只需使用您的日历日历
是啊，以什么方式抱歉？
比如你自己好吧
就是这一天，就是这一天，你只要等待它，是的
是的，这就是我有一天组织我整个生活的方式
我在练柔术
就像我已经知道我要做什么一样
从周一开始的整个星期，因为我计划了整个星期，我会每小时告诉你一次。
每十五分钟我都要做些什么
我以前对它更严格，但它改变了
但现在我给了自己一点回旋余地，比如如果有必要，我会删除一些东西。
但我尽力了，这就是我要做的。
本周，只要你把清晰的基本选择拿出来，好吧，你就去做。
好吧，所以你知道如果这是我喝可乐的日子，我会把可乐弄得一团糟。
但就是这样，就像哦，你别无选择。
所以这是实际的部分，是的
坐在加拿大
但是自我对话呢？我肯定一个月的一半你会说，“哦，我真的很想喝杯可乐”
那你怎么让自己摆脱困境？
我真的很想要那杯可乐，我会在那一天得到它，哦
就是这样，是的。
我没有，现在不是时候，现在不是你喝可乐的时候，你没有，你只是不允许自己像你一样。
不要放纵自己
你只是我，那一天你会拥有它，哦
没有其他类似的选择
噢
是的
说不
这是一个非常强大的心态，是的。
就像我觉得我做不到一样，我认为如果我想拥有它，我在精神上要虚弱得多
也许是时候作弊了
噢
我是说，我允许自己说，如果让我们说一些社交的事情，对吗？
是的，我认为社交场合真的很难，因为你有很多朋友，很多同龄人压力，是的
你的朋友们说嘿
我们要去Hogo和它
如果你的火锅里有一罐可乐就好了，是的。
99%的时候我会说不，我会说我只是在喝水。
但是你必须允许自己那1%就像这是你的垃圾食品一样，然后就去做吧，你知道的。
好像这不是世界末日，不喜欢为此鞭打自己，而是允许自己没事。
每个人的比例都不一样，我想我坐在1%或2%左右，或者我只是觉得这有点极端，有点极端。
这是非常极端的，这就是为什么我问，你是怎么做到的，这是从哪里来的？
我不知道，我到中国后就开始做了，我一直在疯狂地做，对吧？
哇
这和家人有什么关系吗？可以问一下吗？
这不是养育孩子
家庭环境
我想游泳可能有一点，我想游泳我们刚刚有那个时间表，你必须这样做，这并不重要，就像我的教练一样。
会说如果你摔断了一条腿，如果你在经期也没关系
你下水就像
祝你好运你知道的
这太不稳定了，就像训练的方式一样。
我有朋友我们吐了，你又回到水里了，就像
你吐了蓝色的佳得乐，一切看起来都像狗屎，你只是像好运一样回来了。
我我我只在生存的情况下推动自己，就像夏天我去了新疆，你去过新疆吗？
还没有，它在我的清单上，这很难。
我只是想让你知道这很难，因为我开摩托车，没有当地的帮助，我甚至无法加油，就像他们需要在我加油之前检查你的身份证一样，这是我发现的最漂亮的方式之一。
那就是
我听说过。
有个地方叫Duku路
Duku Gonglu，他们每年只开放两个月左右，因为其余时间他们会关闭，因为那里太冷了，还有雪山，但是那条路很漂亮。
美丽
这条路非常美，在这条路上你可以体验整个秋季，从雪山到斯普林菲尔德，还有炎热的沙漠。
一排你可以体验整个秋季，这太棒了，是的
沙漠和雪山草地这是我第二天丢失护照的事情没有
你做了什么疯狂的事
这太疯狂了，但我还是想继续我的旅行，我不想回城里，你知道等一两天，所以你知道吗？
我给我的朋友打了几个电话，我问他们该怎么做。
好吧，你知道吗？
你可以顺路去某个城市，你只是绕道去某个城市，是的
你可以得到它，好吗？
你知道吗？
让我们开始吧，现在让我们享受我的旅行
瞧，我可以在那天去拿，原来现在我的航班大约是24小时后，是的。
我真的真的很远，我想它在一千三百公里之外。
那真的很远
我只有一天的时间了，现在我可以选择取消我的航班，是的。
我可以再预订一个正确的，就是这样。
我会做的，是的。
是的，这就是大多数人所做的，是的
然后我看了看地图，我计算出如果我不睡觉，如果我继续骑行大约22个小时，我会准时到达，所以我计算了休息时间，我跳过了睡觉。
跳过吃饭，如果我这样做，比如一小时十五分钟休息，每小时十五分钟休息，大约二十一到二十小时，我可以得到它，我可以做到，我还有三个小时的假期，是的。
所以我应该这么做吗？
我应该这么做吗
你知道吗？
让我们试试是
我做到了，我在路上吐了三次，这就足够了，就像我必须在沙漠中间穿越沙尘暴一样，高速公路中间
晚上骑摩托车没那么重，每当这辆卡车经过时，我都觉得我被他们吸了进去，是的
二十个小时前，不睡觉，不吃饭，继续骑马，这太疯狂了，我把自己推向它，所以我会像你遵守纪律一样推动自己，好吗？
我不会睡的，我不会睡的，只是有一些像巧克力棒一样的东西。
是呀
保持酒吧继续前进，如果是为了这个，我会做的，如果只是可乐或香烟，我很虚弱。
是呀
我太虚弱了，就像我很努力地想退出一样，看，不是很努力，而是像我做镍和口香糖一样。
是啊我看到了
是的，我做镍和口香糖，嗯，我很粗鲁，我不买秘密。
是的，但是如果你在酒吧，无论你在哪里，香烟都会来。
我和朋友们一起玩小恶魔，比如嘿莱昂
你要烟吗
是的，当然。
我没有像你一样的精神力量，我要虚弱得多。
所以我要告诉你，当我们在酒吧的时候，女孩们总是来和我喝一杯，是的，不管女孩们有多性感，我都不会喝酒。
是的，我已经戒酒15多年了
只是你刚刚放下了一只脚
你说这甚至不是一个选项，你只是把它从桌子上拿下来，然后如果这不是一个选项
你的大脑就像
我不能，所以我会做其他事情，只是不是一个选项，就像可乐不是一个选项一样，对吧？
只是你的大脑告诉你我们不能这么做，所以接下来我们还能做什么，比如让我们找到解决这个问题的方法。
因为你不能喝可乐
也许你生来如此，我觉得你只是与众不同
我不这么认为不不
这是自言自语
有很多自言自语
我明白了，是的，这很有趣，我想学习，我想学习，这太好了。
因为我认为这种程度的自律是现代真正缺乏的，我同意。
我觉得人们包括我自己都过于放纵自己，我认为为了做伟大的事情来实现伟大的事情是必要的
但我有纪律，我只是没有动力
我就像我在这里有很强的自制力一样
好吧
你正在实现留在你感到舒适的地方
这很好，我觉得有太多的动力让你感觉很好。
你知道我会继续做我正在做的事
太神奇了。
是呀
那太好了
那太好了我觉得这个
是再次结束的好地方
啊在我们结束之前
告诉每个人你的实践，你想去哪里？
对吧对吧嗯
所以我有了这个新的实践
这个新项目
现在正在进行中
我基本上想培训人们，最终我想培训更多的心理学家，是的
因为我认为这绝对是心理健康的巨大需求
但除此之外你知道
就像我在跑车上分享了很多对艺术的热情一样
艺术冒险
心理学我也认为这很重要
所以我的实践分为不同的部分，较低的层次，为什么我只谈论电影和艺术，音乐和心理学的关系
所以这些就像在团体设置中一样
呃人们
如果他们有兴趣进来加入他们
会聊天，然后再高一级
在那里你会做一些类似一对一的会话
比如你的生活发生了什么
那你的事业呢
你想做什么或喜欢我做什么
一些咨询疗法
我做得对，这就是更高的水平。
但我想做的最高水平是能够培养更多的心理学家和专业人士
谁能激励其他人创造这个世界
一个更好的地方来影响更多的人，所以这个
就是我现在正在做的
真的很新鲜，我最近才开始，是的。
我对这个项目充满热情
感觉我就像过滤和浓缩了我过去35年生活中的所有经历和激情，是的
凝结成这个听起来很棒的项目
我正在做，你有它的名字吗？
我在想梦中情人
好吧
是啊太老土了
有点老套是的
这很老套，你知道一件吗？
你知道动漫一件吗？
是的，那是一群人一起在船上冒险，玩得很开心，不知道会在哪里结束。
但这是一个物质的过程，这些不是你，而是
就像在一天结束的时候，冒险不是要完好无损地回家，对吧？
这真的是关于一个故事，我可以讲述我的经历，所以我不知道我还没有真正确定名字，因为我现在只是在尝试一下，是的。
和我周围的人在一起，我已经喜欢上我了，我很幸运，我有很多朋友表达了他们的兴趣，他们总是在春节后注册。
他们只注册，我很好，开始以某种方式做这件事。
但这对我来说也是一次新的经历，就像独自创业一样，可怕，令人兴奋。
但是真的很可怕，所以有很多事情我必须尝试，我看看会发生什么。
有点障碍吧
这是你用勺子的肖申克救赎，你必须继续努力。
是的
是的，我让你兴奋，我很兴奋能看到它，如果有更多关于它的消息，比如一旦你有了它。
请回来，让我们告诉我们更多关于它的信息。
我可以给你发一张海报吗？绝对可以在有机会之后。
所以我们可以把这个
是呀
确定我们没事，是的
谢谢太谢谢你了
好吧，里昂就这样，回头见，拜拜。