BKP #362 [中] Talita , 9个月在南美算度假吗？

Talita 可以说是环岛了南美吗？绕了一大圈，有危地马拉，洪都拉斯，哥斯达黎加，哥伦比亚，秘鲁，玻利维亚，智利，阿根廷，南极，巴西，古巴，墨西哥。

Episode Transcript

(00:08):
可以
hello 大家，我是 Arthur
这是我的博客
然后今天来的是Toledo Talita 哈哈
Talita！ Talita！
啊这个名字哪里来的
这名字其实很多年以前是我姐姐给我起的
啊啊
我以为她是个英语名
但但我后来发现
她可能更像一个西班牙语名

(00:30):
你姐是亲姐
呃不是表姐
然后她是哪来想到的呢？
他可能某一天在翻杂志的时候
觉得这个名字蛮可爱的
然后就当时正好我需要一个名字
然后就stuck了
然后就一直用到现在
对没有变过
没有变过
很多人都是
特别是在中国
我感觉是这个工作那选一个英文名字

(00:52):
然后下一个工作哦已经有了一个这个人
那我选一个另外一个英文名
呃但我这个名字因为不是很常见
对的不太容易撞名
所以没有发生过那个情况
哈哈哈
okay好
我带你上我的这个博客
是因为你旅游
可以说是旅游吗
9个月了
可以
嗯it's that's crazy

(01:13):
9个月是很长的一个休息
呃确实yeah
呃怎么
为什么开始
嗯就可能正好时机也比较合适吧
因为当时我呃
离开了上一份工作
所以时间比较充裕
我而且十几年前开始

(01:35):
就一直很想去这个南美洲这个目的地
我而且呃
南美洲又比较远嘛
所以我觉得我如果要去的话
我一定要有一个很长很充裕的时间
能好好的玩一下那里
那我觉得现在时间呃
也到位了啊
钱也算是攒了
一些吧也够
然后就出发了
然后为什么喜欢南美呢

(01:56):
就你
我觉得大部分中国的朋友会选择日本
东南亚最多跑一个澳洲
南美是真的有点远
呃就是远
所以产生了一种美感啊
就好奇嘛
对那里的好奇
可能比对其他的大陆都要更多一点
嗯哼

(02:17):
哪里产出的好奇呢
你不觉得这边也没有很推广南美
南美对中国来说
maybe巴西有点咖啡
然后我们两两个练柔术
可是没有很大的推广在这
嗯但也不能说没有
就是你小时候没有看过一部电影

(02:37):
叫春光乍泄吗
当时没有吗
就是张国荣和
我不看电影的
啊
OK这段你可以切掉
no problem
就说
呃张国荣和那个叫什么
那个梁朝伟
还有张震
当时有一部很有名的电影
其实在阿根廷取景的
他当时就有一些

(02:59):
反正比较浪漫的印象吧
关于世界尽头啊
最南面的灯塔
包括一些世界上最大的瀑布啊
一些很浪漫的回忆
还有一些像影视作品
像马尔克斯
就是你一直觉得南美是个很魔幻
他们总会把对
很魔幻嘛
所以就加上距离
就产生了一些神秘的美感

(03:19):
哦
我从来没去过
然后我也不是特别感兴趣
所以我因为even though我住新泽西
住美国那么久
我最多墨西哥
墨西哥OK
然后就没了
然后再往再往南
基本上没兴趣
嗯古古巴

(03:39):
古巴我OK
我可以
我觉得很一个比较适中的距离
对的我也觉得OK OK
我我年纪
可是你要我跑
再往基本上没那么感兴
趣
所以我就跟你的想法还区别蛮大的
嗯可能还是人的性格不一样吧
对就从小

(03:59):
我其实对于很多别的目的地
就就会比较好奇多一点
然后那边又是一个比较特别的存在
yeah啊所以我大家都应该知道
我是特别不喜欢旅游的一个人
我能不旅游的话尽量
因为我觉得我上海的schedule那么好
就我想要玩的东西

(04:20):
全部都安排的整整齐齐的
然后一旅游
特别是9个月的旅游
我感觉
我就把我整个归好的一个schedule
全部都打乱
我很理解
就是因为如果我
呃有一些规划的短期的
像一两周的旅行的话
我可能的每天的健身的行程

(04:42):
我的柔术的训练的行程都完了
对都完了
回来之后我可能又要重建一下
就你可能还会懒几天
然后就
前前后后可能会有一个月的时间
你的你的训练就泡汤了
对这种感觉对吧
呃我非常理解
但是但9个月又不一样啊
他就是你
就当做这段时间就是你

(05:03):
是另外一个schedule就好了
uh i agree你先跟大家说一下
你去了哪一些国家吧
我们先过一下这整个行程
因为蛮长的
呃
我先是从中美洲的危地马拉开始的
嗯然后从危地马拉去了洪都拉斯
然后从洪都拉斯飞到了哥斯达黎加
我在那边因为定了一个潜水的行程

(05:25):
过然后从哥斯达黎加飞到哥伦比亚
从哥伦比亚走陆路到秘鲁
然后从秘鲁一路玩
到了玻利维亚和智利
然后从智利开始
我就呃
就是因为智利是个比
较狭长的国家吗
对吗我就一会儿阿根廷
一会儿智利
一会儿阿根廷
一会儿智利
这么呃

(05:45):
一边横穿着
一边往南走
最后呃
最南是走到了阿根廷的乌斯怀亚
然后从那边坐了去南极的船
然后呃
从南极回来之后开始
就等于是往北回来的路程了
从回到了
呃从阿根廷去了巴西嗯
然后就往西边开始

(06:06):
往东边开始
对对对沿着东东海岸一路往回走
然后在巴西待了两个多月之后
去了古巴
最后在墨西哥
嗯玩了一圈
然后就回来了
就整个行程就是这样
it's long嗯
然后你巴西待了那么久是为了什么
嗯巴西
主要是呃

(06:28):
因为
巴西每年有一个非常重大的节日
是狂欢节嘛
很多可能你也看过一些视频啊
Instagram上面
所以
当时我看到今年巴西的狂欢节的日期
是呃
2月28号开始到3月初的那一个礼拜
那时候我刚到巴西
在1月上旬
我想嗯

(06:48):
来都来了
那我就等嘛
我就在巴西花了点时间等狂欢节过
一个月
呃
两两个多月
两个多月
就我我原来的计划
其实每个国家可能是一个多
一个月左右
就是多多少少
有的时候超
有的地方超一点
有的地方少一点
但是巴西因为为了要等狂欢节

(07:10):
是花了两个两个多月
嗯哼
值得吗先问
先问值得吗这个肯
呃就是
巴西
其实是我整个在南美洲最喜欢的国家
嗯呃
当然拉丁美洲我最喜欢
后来是墨西哥
但是在南美大陆上

(07:31):
我最喜欢的其实就是巴西
而且我最喜欢的城市是圣保罗
嗯圣保罗为什么
嗯
就可能我也是体验了很多
就有有很多人可能觉得里约更有名
然后去的人更多
但是我我在圣保罗
我是就是
我
可能更不喜欢那些特别旅游的城市吧

(07:51):
然后圣保罗
它是一个等于是南美洲最大的城市
就是有点像上海
就是在那边生活
你会感觉到城市的一个便捷性
嗯它不管是交通啊
饮食啊住宿
还有它能提供给你的文化生活
还有包括娱乐生活
以及我在圣保罗因为待的时间长
我还在那里练了一个月的柔术yeah

(08:15):
就不能完全荒废柔术嘛
所以整个那段时间我觉得是最充实
然后也是呃
交到了最多当地朋友的
嗯
所以整体下来
我现在对圣保罗是嗯
南美top one
我很多朋友出去旅游的时候
他们都会希望在当地make friends

(08:36):
可是我发现很多人就是做不了这一步
他们可能就觉得
虽然我想有获得到一些国际的朋友
可是我迈不出这第一步
跟陌生人说话
然后跟陌生人聊天
你为什么没有这个问题
呃
我其实不是一个很主动外向的艺人

(08:58):
就是
我大部分是靠别人主动来聊天的
然后
但是嗯
圣保罗的特点是
因为我在那边训练柔术嘛
那毕竟我每天去管理训练管理
也有很多朋友
所以我们就是其实是柔术是一个媒介

(09:19):
通过练柔术
我在那里认识了很多当地的朋友
他们有带我出去吃饭
然后带我晚上出去泡吧
甚至带我去一些他们以前读书啊城市
做就是读书的地
方走带我去老城区做city work啊之类的
都都是通过柔术促成的吧这些
yeah我这个也是我常听到的一个故事

(09:40):
就是你跑去什么城市
你只要去了柔术馆
他们哦
你是你不是这边的
那我们带你出去玩
这个我经常听到
是的是的是的
yeah是一个
我觉得是一个secret的一个
对是就很好的一个旅行体验
而且是um
我们

(10:00):
我们经常如果出去旅游的话也会跑去
什么带带上攀岩鞋啊
然后去当地的攀岩馆
去看一看他们的啊
然后馆是长什么样子
他们路线是怎么定的
这些都有
或是带一个Rash guard
带一个短裤就去冲浪馆
对对对
然后冲浪馆就哦
我小的时候很爱冲浪

(10:22):
可是冲浪的文化
我现在越来越不喜欢了
嗯现我觉得如果你去一些旅游景点
我们小的时候没有抢旺的这个啊
这个啊
文化现在旅游景点就旅游客
把这些地方就搞乱了

(10:44):
就很会抢
然后又不是那种很有礼貌的
这种冲浪人
经常就i don't love it
所以不怎么玩了
我有有体会
因为我在墨西哥有一个很有名的浪点
嗯叫Buenos Aires Condado
就是他们号称是墨西哥的pipeline OK
一个很好的浪点
然后呃

(11:06):
因为浪好嘛
所以他每一道浪出来
大概都会至少有四五个人抢站起来
嗯
大家其实都不太讲所谓的交通规则呀
就不会
真的不会让
所以小的时候我觉得人也少
然后大家知道的那些surf spot
可能比较神秘一点
又没有又没

(11:26):
有Internet所以无法
就是传达出来这个地方很好
所以大家都有自己的秘密的
几个地方啊
我们都可以
特别是我们以前去Hawaii冲浪
是早上5点半
6点就大家就已经out there了
我6点到
已经有一大批人已经在开始冲了

(11:46):
就oh shit好
那我们就这样开始吧
可是感觉那个时候很social
就是大家冲浪完会回来
然后找一个超市
去买一点poke或者什么
然后就大家就超市外面吃一吃
hang out就that was fun
可是现在
我觉得这个文化已经淡很多了

(12:07):
嗯可能还是游客的关系
因为对于大部分莫呃
像卡哇伊啊那些人来说
冲浪就跟你早上去公园跑步
应该是一样的
一样的对吧
就是很多人是冲完浪之后回去冲个澡
去上班上班去上学呀
是这样就就真的太生活
融入生活的一部分了
但是很现在很多浪点
因为大家都是可能游客

(12:28):
或者其他地方来的浪人
他每天就是
我就是为了冲浪来的
所以他对冲浪的目的性啊
太强了
对然后嗯
表现出来可能就是你说的文化变了
yeah以前不是
真的不是这样的
所以我就觉得呢
我宁愿就是在beach上
反正我也有很多时间
如果我是旅游的话

(12:49):
我就坐在beach上躺一躺
发发呆躺一躺
偶尔出去游一圈
然后再回来
就没有那么大的冲浪的一个欲望了
嗯it's fine
也理解yeah
那你觉得最好玩的啊
这个巴西的城市
SA Paulo你先跟我们说一下
你待了两个月

(13:10):
一天大概是玩什么东西
从早到晚
呃也没有那么多玩的啦
就是
我在SA Paolo的生活就是相对很规律
我每天要么是上午要么是晚上
我肯定会去柔术馆里训练一下
哪一个柔术馆
呃
uh alliance okay
对然后会在那边上两节课吧

(13:33):
哦一天两练
嗯
总归一节g一节no g吧
加在一起
嗯然后会练一下
剩下来等于是就是会有半天的时间
可能一开始前一两个礼拜
我会找一些像美术馆啊啊
就博物馆
还有一些比较比较偏游客一点的点

(13:53):
去打卡去看一看
后面就是瞎逛了
就是就是
之前我们有一些区
有一些区有一些block的街道
我那个氛围我很喜欢
那我今天下午就是去那里放松
然后逛到哪里是哪里
哪里累了就在那边休息一下
然后看看书啊之类的
that's fun那个我可以感觉到
就是很多现在旅游客都是啊

(14:16):
我需要这三个地方都打卡
然后就很急
感觉你就没有那么急
因为时间多了
是的是的
因为我不赶时间
就像我也对
我有个体会
就是呃
我当时在布宜诺斯艾利斯的时候
因为
我认识了几个刚从南极下船的朋友
也是呃是新加坡人

(14:37):
他们因为是请假出来的嘛
他们后来会在Buenos Aires待三天
然后我当时那三天正好也在
我们就约着一块玩
他们的行程就是从上午到晚上
然后每天可能有呃至少5-6个点
然后我大概
每天只能加入他们的其中一到两个

(14:57):
right我就我
就差不多了
我就觉得嗯
我够了然后剩下的我以后
有时因为我待的时间比他们长嘛
我会找别的日子再去
这样
你的西班牙语怎么样
我是在那边现学的
现学
嗯我在呃危地马拉和玻利维亚
都找了西语的教练

(15:19):
就就老师一对一的上了洗浴课
一共就是现在属于呃日常的
就是旅游场景的交流
简单一点没有问题
但是你如果说的太快或者呃
跟我聊一些超出那些场景的
我可能一下会反应不过来

(15:39):
那你用的主要就是英文为主
嗯看国家
其实有一些国家发展的比较呃
像墨西哥啊yeah
那你英文OK
对哥斯达黎加这些
他们英语其实都还比较普及了right
但是有像嗯
在玻利维亚或者呃哥伦比亚

(15:59):
很多地方
你就发现他们确实英语完全不会
他们英语甚至到就是呃
1234的英语他们也不懂
就是他们说数字就one two three
four这种也是不行的
就是也要靠
那怎么沟通
用西语嘛
后来就这也是逼迫我
一定要学一些西语的理由
所以现在还在学吗

(16:20):
现在回来也有继续在每天再练一下
你就是什么Duolingo这种吗
呃我希望不是吧
那也不是
我在看书
就是我找了一些教材
所以在想
因为我之前也是
上了可能有几十个小时的洗浴课嘛
所以想呃
但整体来说不是很
我想通过看一些那种正规的

(16:42):
呃怎么说呢
体系化的教材看一下
呃教学体系里面他是怎么个教的
嗯
有我觉得会帮
因为我
已经理解了很多语法之后我再去看他
我觉得就很简
就是会看得懂
看得懂会让我继续看下去
如果我完全看不懂

(17:02):
或者这是个很难的部分
我觉得我可能会很容易放弃
就跟我以前读书一样
但是我有
我觉得
我已经对他有了一些基础的认识
然后我读他
我会其实
是对我以前学过的一些东西的梳理
所以我反而会现在是蛮主动的
每天会花呃一两个小时在做这个事情
uh huh
ah that's useful
然后我觉得

(17:23):
refuge那边也会西班牙语的蛮多的
是的是的是的
i don't know why
就这个
这个馆一大堆我们有墨西哥有有个
对还真的蛮多的
对我们这个月底会有
我们的教练从西班牙过来啊哈
到时候
希望我的西班牙语他可以听懂吧

(17:44):
所以你是训练啊
Spanish的原因是
你还想回去吗
我有一点想啊
是是的是的
说maybe live there
有有这个可能性
那倒也没有
OK我嗯我还是一个很传统的中国味
所以我我觉得
我长时间的生活肯定是会在国内的

(18:05):
这个也是我想问的
哈哈哈
但是我如果有下次有这样的机会
或者就是过两年我也是呃
如果有合适时机的话
我可能还是会回去再呃
旅行一段时间吧
去一些我之前没有去过
或者是可能我之前因为语言的限制

(18:25):
不能够更深入的了解的文化什么的
下次我希望
我能够把这个语言稍微再进阶一点
之后再去
你觉得会更就是更方便right
对是的
就是就就是和local交朋友这一块
就是如果你和别人的交流
因为很多的local他们都不能说英文

(18:48):
嗯哼就是如果你和他们的交流
只能只局限在很浅的层面的话
其实确实是比较难去有更多的了解
对啊
我一来中国的时候就是这个问题啊
big problem嗯
就很难找到真的朋友
因为你来到这边
我的我的
那个时候我的普通话基本上就是啊

(19:09):
我喜欢红色那种
那种很简单的这个中文
后面慢慢慢慢就变得更好
嗯是
一开始还是蛮难找到real FRIENDS
或是找到local FRIENDS
只能这么说
所以慢慢慢慢学会了就oh much better
然后真的在不管是在酒吧

(19:33):
不管是在工作方面
你找到friends
可以跟你沟通
可以跟你深入的沟通
那你才真的感觉到oh i belong here
可是吃的是我下一个问题
我真的觉得你不管是去墨西哥
普通的美国人跑去墨西哥也会说那个
我忘了那个名字叫什么

(19:53):
什么Takunuma's revenge
就是你一去基本上就是拉肚子
拉三三天
啊那我可能是一个肠胃比较好的人
就不是稍微吧
因为我以前去印度也吃过呀
一些印度路边摊
然后也没有太对
我在印度待半个月也从没有问题

(20:13):
嗯我在墨西哥
可能每天都会或多或少吃一些路边的
dumpling然后也no problems
uh huh lucky因为我们去巴厘岛
我去巴厘岛大概三四次
然后经常有人说Bali belly这个东西
Bali belly就基本上你去了巴厘
然后食物中毒

(20:34):
you are out for至少四五天
大家都说Bally belly大概四五天
然后我也从来没有过
but经常听到
就经常有人say did you get bally belly
然后我就嗯
所以在美国
就是因为我一些在美国的朋友
他们也觉得墨西哥代购会

(20:55):
尤其是街边的
他主要都是街边的就会不卫生
容易拉肚子
怎么样啊
所以这是一种美国社会的共识
yeah
就你去墨西哥就有的有这个可能性
我我去之前不知道
okay啊
我现在知道了
哈哈哈
因为他们说是水质的问题

(21:15):
i don't know but我从来也没有过
but我担心
就是你去一个陌生的城市自然会有嘛
你从一个i don't know生理学的一个角度
你的你有这个菌在你身体里面
然后他们的父有不同的菌
他们总有会打起来的
可是you have no problems就有点对

(21:37):
我嗯旅行圣体
哈哈哈
而且其实墨西哥
呃
已经是所有的我刚去过那些国家里
在饮食方面最让我满意的了
i know Mexican food is so good
对肯定是yeah
就就是南美再好的也比不上墨西哥
巴西没有吗
就吃那么多肉

(21:57):
巴西还可以
巴西的好是因为他有很多的亚裔
然后呃
还有日本人的社群在那边很大嘛
所以他的亚洲菜系做的非常的好
所以在巴西
我其实除了他本土的肉之外
吃了很多
呃呀呃日料啊

(22:19):
中餐啊韩国餐
越南菜那那边的都挺好吃的呀
呃我对巴
西菜也是满意的呀
而且巴西菜会借鉴很多
呃亚洲菜系的做法
就是他的炒啊什么的
就是你就看看
看得到一些做法
会跳出了那个西餐的那个范畴
但别的大部分的国家就真的horrible
嗯真的吗

(22:40):
阿根廷我听说也很好吃啊
阿根廷
嗯哈哈哈对不起
no problem
阿根廷他阿根廷的肉是还可以的
就是阿根廷的优点在于你吃牛肉啊
其实是当时我刚到阿根廷的时候
我觉得哇

(23:00):
他的牛排啊
他的质量是OK的
而且价格也都是当时我在北部
物价还不是很离谱的地方
嗯哼我觉得是很nice的
但是你不可能每天吃牛排啊
我可以啊
我one hundred percent我可以
那我不可以
就是
当我在五天里面吃了第三顿牛排之后
我已经觉得有点我不想再吃了

(23:21):
嗯然后
然后除了牛排之外
他那里的一些主要的食物
就有点太单调了
就是像南美洲的饺子
印第安纳达
还有什么像意大利馅饼一样的那种
炸的那种饼
milanese他们叫
没吃过嗯
就
反正就是有点类似于我们的炸鸡排

(23:44):
或者下但是它是薄薄的那种
不像我们能看到那种呃
很厚实而且那种有汁水那种
打得很薄那些
呃
还有什么主流的
嗯甚至我在阿根廷的时候
认识了一个很好的朋友
我还在他家住了半个月
去他的家乡住了半个月

(24:05):
他的家乡号称是阿萨多之乡
就是阿萨多
是呃
也是阿根廷烤很有名的一种烤肉
其实就是烧烤嘛
烤肉的一种方法
他他号称他们家乡的阿萨德
因为他们那里是呃
比较农业比较发达的几个区域
就是牛养牛啊什么的比较多嘛

(24:26):
他说他们那里的
他那里的阿萨德是整个阿根廷最好的
我就吃了
之后吃了两天
我就就这玩意
这还最好
我就就是食材可能是不错
但是你就这么烤一烤
然后夹在干干巴巴的面包里面
一夹给你了就觉得很浪费
i be so happy对
连一点点的sauce

(24:47):
什么都没有
哦没有
他就是就是烤完的肉
然后切成小块
对然后就夹在汉堡里面
那种冰冷的面包
就预制好的就给你了
这样每天都差不多这样
而且等的时间还长
他们的阿萨德要先把那个木炭哦

(25:07):
呃把把木头
不是把木炭
是把木头先烧成一小块小块的炭
就一块块小碎炭
然后再拿碎炭
它其实有点像低温慢烤吧
然后把碎炭再拿过去烤那个肉
嗯嗯
导致每次吃那个都得等两个小时
ah
可是i don't know

(25:28):
因为我是大肉食者嘛
我每次回到回到美国
我最开心的就是把我的烤架set up起来
然后早上
有的时候早上太阳都还没出来
我已经把昨天晚上腌制的猪排
全部都包锡箔纸
然后开始低温开始烤

(25:49):
so i get it would you would would
that's my favorite
我跟你是反的
就是我也可以吃肉
但是我可以很久不吃肉
我我很喜欢呃
蔬菜啊
或者是其他的碳水之类的东西
所以你觉得吃的maybe有一点点
还是在巴西no problem

(26:10):
嗯巴西还可以吧
嗯巴西还可以
别的南美都不太行
相对好一点的可能还有秘鲁
嗯因为秘鲁也是吃鸡的嘛
呃
呃海鲜
还有他受也是日本人多
那种现代日料的
嗯巴西
呃秘鲁有很多不错的餐厅
都是日系的风格

(26:31):
影响比较大
还有秘鲁的名菜
他的国菜叫Ceviche
其实就有点类似于我们的潮汕生腌
就那种生鱼片
我们叫秘鲁生鱼片
所以我很喜欢做
可是
呃怎怎么了
我对别的地方的啊
生鱼就特别小心啊

(26:52):
you know对
因为你真的不知道
大家不知道
如果Ceviche就是生鱼
然后你用柠檬汁或是青柠汁
就泡一会儿
然后它括号是用这个啊acid
怎么说这个酸来把它消毒
括号嗯
可是that's so dangerous
有的时候我真的不知道啊

(27:13):
是的是的是的
所以你没有吃坏肚子
我真的i'm shocked
呃
就钢铁肠胃啊
旅行圣体啊
amazing
speech我很喜欢
我我有一个朋友叫Hugo啊
也是练柔术的
他基本上在上海
他出名也就是做speech的
哇我很喜欢
uh huh

(27:34):
but
Peruvian我一直觉得是
Peruvian的chicken是最有名的
Peruvian的
他们烤鸡
他们呃
其实烤鸡也有
就是很常见的食材
但是嗯
就是秘鲁菜的
另外两个很有特色的部分
其实一个是吃羊驼肉

(27:55):
对的羊我也知道
嗯那个羊驼肉和吃那个叫呃kui
就是豚鼠
哈嗯
好吃吗
呃very good
你有没有吃过我们国内的竹鼠
没有
呃不如竹鼠
OK哈哈哈
你可以去试一

(28:16):
下竹鼠
只要是鼠类的i'm not sure
因为竹鼠它的那种油脂啊
嗯
它的香气什么的还是完胜那个豚鼠的
okay
interesting呃我
我觉得这种这种动物类我还没有啊
那就你可能是
对对对理解理解哈哈哈

(28:37):
很正常很多很多游客
尤其是西方人到那边也不吃
yeah
因为它是
它是一个完整的竹鼠
i know
那个样子
就是就是
趴着的那个
端上来给你
是的
然后你是no problem
是不是let's go
啊我什么都吃
完全不怕

(28:57):
怕它咬我
no怕
就这个肉不好吃
怕哦
肉不好吃
你不吃你也不知道它好不好吃啊
嗯
看着你的哦
有的时候我还是
嗯嗯
它有一个脸
它有一个整体的一个身体
我有的时候嗯
啊那没有
那还没有

(29:17):
没有嗯
got you
习惯了我们常年在国内生活的人
不就什么都吃吗
嗯
我觉得现在在变呢
特别是国内现在很多人很i bet you
现在很多小朋友是没有看
看过烤全羊的
或是整只猪的猪头

(29:39):
i bet you很多都没看过
呃
特别是在住在上海
住在这些大城市的一些
对对对
那是因为他们现在只看到澳洲
就是一盒一盒在超市过来的
就我从小在上海长大
我也从来没有在上海看过烤全羊和整
整个我有在那个
在那个澳门路那边啊

(30:00):
那些集市上
是的是的
那还还是有的
然后我们去内蒙的时候
你看我去内蒙我everyday都可以吃到
是我
我也都是在那些地方才能看到完整的
这样整只的这种羊啊什么
it's so delicious
所以我很自信的可以每天都吃烤肉

(30:20):
我每天都可以吃牛排我都吃不腻
no problem
365天
我可能要平衡一下
哈哈哈
蔬菜什么的
嗯加一点水果我就淡了就OK
啊水果他们也不怎么吃
嗯巴西还好其他地方水果其实种的也
really that's weird hmm

(30:42):
因为巴西有巴西梅嘛大家都对
巴西梅阿萨伊很很不错
巴西整体一个是
他就种植很多水果的
呃历史啊什么应该也有一些吧
然后还有啊
那个智利的车厘子季我也碰到了
yes对可是我我在美国长大了

(31:04):
我觉得我们California的车厘子更好吃
啊
哈哈哈哈哈
那我那我那我力荐一个我们国内的
汉源黑珍珠
我也觉得很好吃
在四川
真的真的真的真的
我没吃过
so i don't know
呃可能刚刚下市
啊哈你等明年吧
OK
真的就它叫黑珍珠

(31:26):
就是一个个很大然后越是深色
对对对深色的那个车厘子okay
i'll try it next year
哈哈哈那你觉得这个整个trip下来
获得的是什么
你觉得真的有一些改变吗
呃在你身上肯定还是有了

(31:47):
嗯嗯就是
呃主要去还是
我觉得一些
我自自身的一些对待东西的看法吧
对待事物的看法吧
因为去南美
就包括没有去之前
很
就是大家对他会有很多的刻板印象

(32:07):
就会觉得这样那样的怎么样
然后包括去了之后
我们路上有的时候遇到其他的人
他也会告诉我一些就我们会
交流嘛
别人也会说一些大家的看法或者见闻
但是我后来就发现就是你的
呃知道了
就是你从别人耳朵听到

(32:27):
或者就是去过
甚至是去过的人嘴里听到的
和你真正实际的感受的都是不一样的
所以什么都比不上你真正的去感受
这个i agree
你有你一开始有什么刻板印象吗
嗯挺多的
第一个肯定就是担心安全了
嗯因为都说很乱了
什么遍地毒枭了
什么还有什么拿着枪指着你

(32:49):
是那种什么枪击啊
一起抢劫啊有有有
yeah我听
不能说没有
肯定有肯定有
没遇到肯定有
但是整体来说也没有那么普遍
没有那么普遍
或者我在包括我在阿根廷的
呃不不是阿根廷
我在墨西哥的时候遇到一个女孩子
伦敦的呃她马上要回国了呀

(33:12):
她走之前她问我
她要不要把她的一个那种电击棒
防身用的给我
我想了想
因为
当时我已经在拉美旅行的9个月了嘛
这已经是最后一个月了
而且墨西哥我待了几天
我觉得不至于吧
我就没有要他
后来想想是的是的
他说这里的安全情况可能嗯
还是比伦敦好的
所以他就把他带回伦敦

(33:35):
是的他觉得
他觉得嗯对
墨西哥城比伦敦的治安要好
yeah um
我觉得纽约的也是越来越差
but大家都会听到恐怖故事嘛
对就感觉
那每一个恐怖故事都会放的很大
然后好的故事就不怎么放大

(33:56):
导致大家都对每个地方都有一点恐惧
对吧我觉得我们去泰国之前你在
小红书上或者whatever
你在查泰国旅游
然后就会给你推很多哦
这个被人
这个人被绑架
这个人被
然后你就oh my god
我怎么推这么多东西
可是你去
其实it's fine no problems

(34:19):
所以我觉得这些比较危险的比较
但是你自己的安全意识肯定要有
of course对
就是我觉得这个也是
呃
就是安全肯肯定是一直在发生的
因为提醒我最多的全部都是当地人
就是我在街上
我其实手机是有一个链条的
我可以就是斜斜挎在身上

(34:41):
怎么样
但是无数次街上会有人会告诉我
你不要背在身上
对
就是
你不要让别人看得到你的手机在手上
就是其实他们就是呃
low opportunity
就是你要降低
嗯其实拉美人
他们主观上来说是一个很懒的民族
嗯他们其实不太愿意动脑筋

(35:03):
就是包括他们想犯罪也不是很愿意
动脑筋的
犯罪就是你不要把机会放在他面前
那他会想哦
那我试一试
就是你如果你不让他看到那个机会
他其实也就懒得去动脑筋
去创造这个机会
我觉得是这样的
这个整个民族是
我理解这个点我其实很同意

(35:24):
我觉得你不要给这个机会对
问题是我经常在这个博客上也说的
我觉得中国太安全了
是的
然后很多中国人是没有这个意识
他去别的地方要多么保守
虽然他的小红书也在推这个东西危险

(35:46):
这个东西危险
你要小心做这个
可是你没有活在这个环境过
你就get不到
你应该手机一
出去了手机放口袋或者手机放包
然后包抱着最好比较安全
因为纽约就是这样
你最好就是走路的时候

(36:07):
最好不要戴耳机
最好不要一边走路一边看手机
因为有可能一个bike直接过来吧
手机就杠了
是是是是
我后来也是
呃
我也算是一路上一直给自己提醒提醒
就是我在街上但你总归要看手机的
我们要看路啊
看谷歌map要查很多的东西嘛

(36:28):
你尽量找之前就是先看一圈周围
然后往你
一定不要再沿着非机动车道的地方看
手机那别人不拿你拿谁
你肯定是往靠里面
如果有店铺的话就走两步
走到店铺里或者走到店铺门口啊
这样再看会好一些吧
反正还有就是

(36:48):
我在那边确实后面有有一些应激反应
就是很习惯性而且对
而且国外是用钱包的是要用钱的
就是不像我们已经开始less了
所以时不时的
可能隔个十几秒钟或者半分钟
我会下意识的摸一下口袋
看一下我钱包还在不在
很就是有一点应激了已经
我其实在回来的时候

(37:10):
有没有把这些的习惯都忘了
忘了我已经忘了你全部忘了
哈哈哈现在我们我我就
可能还是我适应力比较好吧
我现在就很喜欢在街上走
直接手机往裤子后面那个口袋一插
就terrible
idea
对呃在国内当然不要紧
但是在国外我是绝对不敢的

(37:31):
对
是的是的
因为我妹妹是在意大利Florence留学了
然后我跟你说
意大利特别是罗马的扒手是世界级
的扒手然后是真的
你可以随便的一个口袋
他都能爬的出来

(37:51):
所以你要特别特别小心
然后我最近看到一个啊
有一些人在研究哪些人是最容易
嗯就是被成为目标
对的成为目标
你有看到这个吗
没有看到这个研究
他们把一大堆
就是坐监狱最煎熬的一些人

(38:14):
然后给你看很多很多照片
然后很多很多video
然后他们就指出哪一些人会变成目标
很多都是亚洲人
重点不是因为他们是亚洲人
而是他他们形容这些人的时候
就觉得这个人没有意思

(38:36):
就是他没有一个很强大的confident
然后又是感觉到
我不应该欺负那个人的那个气质吧
okay
然后他就觉得
这个人走路也是有点害羞的
可能这样的
然后一直看手机
他们就会挑出这种人
就觉得他比较容易欺负

(38:57):
那我就应该去牛OK
然后
基本上很多都是中国人在这边的
没有意识到的一些习惯
你去别的国家
他们就会觉得那个人比较容易欺负
导致我没
我觉得
在这边应该意识到这些东西更多一点

(39:18):
哎那我给你讲一个我的小故事
就是我其实一路当中是遇到过一次
差点被偷钱包的
而且
我的钱包确实已经从我的身上离开了
当时在那个是在智利的首都
圣地亚哥那个
那个城市也是
我去之前很多人跟我说
就是现在偷盗非常严重

(39:40):
我觉得网传在这部分上
网传还是可信的
就是就是
就是
舆论上说这个城市现在偷盗非常严重
那可能真的
就是很严重
我到那里的第一天的上午就出了
刚在酒店把包放下
出门决定吃个午饭啊
然后出门不到5分钟我就碰到了偷盗

(40:01):
而且是他们一些很常见的
拉美当地的套路
就是会先在你背上泼一盆
很臭臭的那种酸水
我一开始以为会不会是树上
因为当时我在一个
而且是市区比较好的一个中
比较中心的一个公园吧
嗯是
中午之前11点左右
也不是一个很危险的时间嘛

(40:22):
然后我当时觉得
可能是树上是不是有鸟屎掉下来了
然后接着有一个人过来
他就说你好像这个脏了
然后你要不要去那里擦一下
我当时其实抱了一些警惕的
我觉得这个人可能不是什么好人
我就不用不用我自己擦
我有纸我有湿巾纸什么的
就我身上正好背了一个小包
他就非常想让我去边上擦一下
我就完全不理他

(40:42):
后来大概僵持了
很僵持了可能半分钟一分钟
他就走了
然后我继续在那里等那个红绿灯
我想离开这个区域对去别的地方擦嘛
在等红绿灯的时候又来了一个人
那个时候
其实我的警惕心有一点下降了
然后那个人就跟我说
哎你头上还是脏的
我说对好像是那个
他说对对对
这里是的

(41:03):
他也有他也他也碰到了怎么怎么样
然后他就跟我聊天聊起来了
那我就我真的确实当时放松警惕了
然后嗯是什么时候意识到不对的大家
他就跟我又聊了一段时间之后
之前的第一个人回来了哦
我就觉得而且他回
来之后他上来就很莫名其妙
就开始想动手动脚的

(41:24):
主动要帮我擦
就是说这里这里怎么怎么样的
我觉得我当时就对你不认识我
说你离我远一点
你不要碰我这样的
然后在我跟他就是呵斥那个人的时候
呃第二个就是我还放松警惕那个人
他突然之间走了呀
就像像交了一个闪现一样的走了

(41:44):
我觉得你怎么会突然间走的这么快
然后我马上摸摸我的口袋
发现我的钱包没有了
就他们是一伙的呀
啊然后
然后我就马上把我的包收拾好
冲上去追那个人呀
呃然后追了个几十米之后追上了
how然后他就把钱包还我了
可能当时我的情绪也比较
就是气势展现出来了一种

(42:05):
就是你还我这个样子
没有使用任何的什么技巧啊
或者怎么样
就是瞪着他你给我
把我的钱包还给我
后来他就还我了
所以也就嗯
well done
对啊对啊对啊
但是我觉得那也是一个很好的警醒
就是他
其实发生在我旅途的可能中间吧
嗯
他就是
我可能当时已经习惯了很多欧美的呃

(42:25):
拉美的国家然后有一点放松警惕了
然后他给我
虽然没有没有造成什么损失
很好但是给我敲了一记警钟
所以后面那几个国家
我又开始就是警惕起来
就是认真起来了吧
警觉一些很重要的
对因为我我也是
我觉得这些东西你要去旅游的时候

(42:46):
你要准备好
这个心态是
问题是我有的时候觉得
你把这个心态准备好了
有可能就不enjoy
这个trip
就你所有的人都有可能是坏人的
这个眼光看
那还是危险的
那你就觉得那what am i doing here

(43:07):
就大部分人我觉得是美好的
可是你也要小心
就是这个这个矛盾
有的时候
这个矛盾的点我我很对
我很有体会
尤其是在古巴的时候
嗯
因为在古巴
尤其是哈瓦那
所有的你看网上的攻略
包括所有的当地人
我到那边第一天
LBNB我们的那个房东

(43:28):
他们跟我说
你不要跟任何人
街上跟你说话的人说话
不要相信任何街上和你说话的人
然后嗯对
就是
我相信他们这么提醒一定是有道理的
一定是有道理
但是这确实是
就像我说的那个你
你说的那个感受就是
那我在街上走
我就就是有那么多人来跟我说话

(43:49):
我就全部都不理
我也觉得i know很奇怪
我为什么要来这里呢
yep对吧这个感觉有有有
嗯我有一次跟啊我女朋友吵起来
嗯然后就是我们在我们在巴厘岛吧
然后明显是一个骗局

(44:11):
明很明显的一个骗局
有个人过来
然后说你刮一刮这个东西
看你赢不赢
我们就是在做活动
然后刚好我赢了几万块
然后他赢了一个iPhone
哦you won
然后你要来我们的这个这个酒店
明天来我们的这个酒店
来pick up your prize
我知道是假的

(44:31):
他也知道是假的
然后我说let's go to try uh huh
you don't know uh huh
然后我我好奇的点是
他什么时候要我出钱
他什
么时候要我把皮夹拿出来刷一个卡
我只要知道这个骗局长什么样子
对i'm curious
我也知道是骗局

(44:52):
他应该也知道我知道是骗局
他很有信心能骗到你
可是我就很好奇
他什么时候过来跟我要钱
因为一定有some point
这个钱是要从我的手上到他的手上
说i wanna know
然后我女朋友就很生气
说你去干嘛
我说我很confident
我应该出的来

(45:13):
说他们一大堆人把你打了怎么办
说maybe那我就跑啊
可是我也就在想i just wanna know
我就很好奇这个骗局是怎么搞的
嗯就
可是从他们的他的角度就是
what if you're dead
那也有可能
对我觉得都可以理解

(45:34):
都可以理解
是的是的是的
就是
还有包括我相信如果你真的要去的话
说不定你你我
我是这么感觉的
就是如果这个区域这个地方危险
你的身体会就先于你的大脑
怎么说呢
就是他会
你的身体
你的直觉会告诉你这个地方危险
他可能会阻止你
你真的说不定第二天到了那个酒店

(45:55):
在门口看了一下之后
你说不定就不进去了呀
因为你的气就是里面的气场氛围
包括怎么样让你觉得不是
如果是武力上的危险
说不定你直接退出来
这个就是在很多像欧美啊
那些比较不好的街道
我不一定会去记哪些街道不好
因为我只要走上那个街道
我就知道这里不对

(46:16):
这里气场不对
说不定你到时候你的身体会告诉你
你觉得是你travel很多才练
出来的吗
还是你本身就有的
我觉得可能是经验
对旅行经验
是的因为我觉得啊
现代的上
一定是住在上海很久的人

(46:37):
一定不知道
有可能
一定不知道
因为我觉得
现在大多数住在比较安全的地方
这个意识已经被洗掉了
你从小就没有被抢过
你从小没有被打过
你不知道这个地方是危险的
除非你有这个经历
你有感觉到

(46:58):
我啊有可能被投
我一开始来上海的时候
曾经i don't know 11年10
man更早因为我们在复旦也留学过
可能就在0304年你都来过
那个时候扒手特别多
对特别多
然后我记得有一次从啊
火车站
从哦那个也是很多

(47:19):
可是我们是在外滩
然后坐了一个轮渡到啊陆家嘴嗯
刚刚下船的时候
我转一个头跟我妹妹要说一句话
然后那个人的手
已经这么伸进了我妹妹的包
我说嘿然后他也看我一下
然后就两个人同时往反方向跑

(47:40):
还好没有抓到东西
可是我们就啊
这边有危险
要小心一点
是的是的
可是这种东西你常常发生的时候
你就知道啊
this doesn't feel right
可是有很多人
现在已经没有这个experience了
已经没有这个体验了
他们不知道什么东西是危险的
哪些地方是危险的

(48:01):
有可能有可能
这嗯
可能是跟我常年以来
其实很习惯一个人出去旅行的习惯
当你一个人出去的时候
你会更加的小心吧
嗯关注在一些安全方面的东西
你觉得一个女生solo travel
嗯why
因为我妹妹也这样

(48:22):
我也有经常会跟她说小心
呃也can't stop
那怎么说呢
就是呃
这是why
主要是因为还是我本身的好奇
因为我想去做
所以那我就去做了
而且呃
我是觉得
你只要有一个基本的安全意识
不要去明知道它很危险

(48:43):
做很多就是危险的事情的话
事实证明
我这一圈走下来
no problems对是的
mostly no problems
对yeah
嗯哼
所以也没有那么世界
也没有想的那么可怕
哎真的真的
甚至我在去巴西的狂欢
里约狂欢节之前
我那些圣保罗的朋友yeah哇

(49:05):
他们可担心了
对于他们圣保罗人
而且你知道
我们柔术馆里是一些一米8
i know
呃常年健身yup训练柔术的大汉
他们觉得里约是个非常
非常危险的地方
yeah哦
狂欢节
那真的是个就是世界上最危险的地方
他觉得你
你呃
你怎么可以一个人去里约狂欢节

(49:26):
这么就是这个
这个太crazy了
这真的是不可能的
这太危险了
他们每个人的反应
基本上给我都是这个样子的嗯
嗯
然后你还是照样了
嗯对
差不多吧
因为当时我正好狂欢节那几天
我有另外一个朋友
我们约约了一块
对是另外一个女生
两个女生
这但区别不大
我觉得可以

(49:47):
呃狂欢节
包括街头的block
还有他官方的那个
那个桑巴游行
我都去看了
街头那些
就是可能十几个
对我看那些video都超好玩
十几万个人的一些是嗯
是很好玩
就是会很疯狂
但呃
我的手机
全程就是绕缠在手上

(50:07):
然后拽在手里这样
然后
而且你本身也不带什么贵重物品嘛
大家都就是可能一个小的胸包
然后全程拽着
也就就就冲进去了这样
i get it
而且他们
而且
他们的狂欢节是从早上6点多就开始

(50:28):
yeah到晚上
就是你早我有我有一
有一天我有一场vlog我很想去看
所以是他写的是7点
所以我大概在6点多起 6:50
反正7点前我就出发往那个方向走了
我就发现街上有很多人
他们跟我一样
是刚刚make跑出来准备过去的
但是也有很多人是刚结束回来的

(50:50):
那就是他的那个 24小时
是真正的24小时不间断的
有很多人就加入那个狂欢
休息加入休息
这样太疯狂了
that's我觉得that's my favorite kind of party
uh huh就那种party
就是it doesn't stop
就继续嘛
everyday就是
是的是的
早一早到晚上就是non stop对

(51:10):
我们以前在
不管是美国的一些Florida的
那种音乐节
就是三四天就不停的
那永远都有一个party
你随时都可以找到一个party
在什么什么酒店的pool
然后不是这个party
你过12个小时在另外一个party
还是看到这一批
这一批人

(51:30):
嗯哼我们就是一直轮换轮换轮换的
that's the best
对对对
就从早到晚
然后
早上的party跟晚上的party都不一样
都好玩
是的是的是的
i miss that
嗯你
即使我是一个很不party的人
但我觉得很好玩是
这也就是我想问的
你觉得作为一个不party的人嗯

(51:51):
然后能适应到这个节奏吗
嗯就是因为他毕竟只是一个礼拜嘛
对一个礼拜是long啊
我
我也没有一一整个礼拜每天都这样
就我大概参与街头的party
也就前面两两天
多3天不到1点
然后就后面
后面后面我就

(52:13):
呃因为我后面订了第三天的票
是那个桑巴游行
嗯就是就是等于是官方的那个
最重要的那个活动
那个
是从晚上10点多到第二天早上6点吧
嗯呃
看就是演就是桑巴学那些学校的那个
表演的那些
呃基本上
对就就是可能前面两天把精力耗尽

(52:35):
然后好好休息了一下
之后再熬了个通宵
嗯哼这样就对
因为是短期的
所以我觉得我很愿意去感受它但但
但是因为我也不是这么喜欢party的人
所以长期的我肯定不行
it's tough因为你去这个地方

(52:55):
嗯也是为了这个party而去的
是你就感觉
那我应该就是全身全力的
party一下就投资进去
是然后体验完
再而且现场的氛围也会把你带动进去
是的是的yeah
嗯
所以也不用担心这个适不适合你
就是去放开了体验就好了

(53:16):
嗯我的问题
我也觉得
我很多朋友的问题经常就是
我到了这边
我what if我放不开
what if
我在这个地方
然后大家都在party
可是我在那边很紧身的
又不跳舞又不有可能吗
我不相信你啊我i'm just asking
啊应该不呃

(53:40):
肯定还是有可能的吧嗯就如果真
的很放不开的人
嗯那其实这种人在旅行中会很无聊
对就是要先学会把自己放开
yeah是这样的
肯肯定是有这样的人的
因为我在这边都有
我在这边也经常看到
更夸张我去日本

(54:00):
然后日本的那些business people
很多都需要几瓶酒
慢慢慢慢才放开
就他们那个这个房房子的
我一定要规规矩矩的
这种culture就很难
对在一个像巴西在一个像南美的地方

(54:21):
where everyone就是比较relaxed loose
嗯哼就完全不一样的一个culture
对就是拉美的氛围肯定是更热情
更容易带动人一点
但是第一步
你自己主观的还是要先open your mind
对所以你觉得这个trip结束
你有更open一点吗

(54:42):
你有一些呃比较大的变化吗
open这一点还好
因为我
我觉得我本来就是一个比较open的人
就是我本来就是一个很愿意就是不
呃就是你如果访问了对方
就是另外一个国家
在当地的话
呃那你就去体验他就不会去judge
就是
我最不喜欢的是有些人他到了那里

(55:04):
去评价
嗯这个东西的好坏这个文化的好坏
怎么样
我觉得你在这里你就去体会他就好了
嗯就不是说你来就是站来审判他
或者就是
就是以一个什么发达或者怎么样
其他地方来的人的视角
去对他指指点点的呀
我觉得在那边就是

(55:25):
就是呃
还是保持一个比较平等的心态
去融入或者去体验就可以了
嗯嗯但是有我觉得这个情况是
就是会遇到一些
游客他们呃
不开放另说
他们还喜欢judge这样的

(55:47):
啊可是
所以你觉得你没有太大的一个心
心态的一点变化一定有
一定有心态肯定有对对对
就是我觉得9个月
在一个完全不一样的一个环境
一定有一个心态的一个转变
就更因为拉美人都有一点随意吧

(56:07):
嗯就是懒懒散散的
随意的那些
所以我觉得你刚开始的时候
会容易被他们逼疯
有一些时间观念
有一些呃对
时间观念这点不说了
大家都有
一些就呃
比如说我们习惯了国内的基建
它其实非常的便捷
不管是高高铁

(56:27):
他们肯定当然没有了
但是我们的路啊
高速啊什么修的都很好
就是但是我刚到那边的时候
好几次我发现我需要用
可能其实就200公里的路
100多240公里或者280公里的路
我要花8个小时
10个小时
那一整天的时间在路上

(56:47):
就为了从a到b
其实才多远
其实就是200多公里呀啊
然后而且他们就你都不知道他们
当时我是觉得很崩溃
怎么会这样
后来时间长了也就习惯了
就是这里的节奏吧yeah
嗯
就会
心态上我觉得主要就是一些转变

(57:08):
这也是我回来之后我有很多朋友
他们会觉得我整个人更
呃心态他们觉得更好
更随意了
一点relax
对对更放松
我觉得是好事
是的是的是的
因为这边我跟你说
我爸爸是华尔街的
因为他大部分工作都在华尔街上

(57:30):
他花了i think至少10年就退休后
花了10年才把他
的那么急的那个心态
静下来然后even now
我觉得他现在哇
70多了都
有的时候是每天i gotta do something
i gotta do something
i gotta就是这种已经刻在他的头脑里

(57:55):
就是我必须要do something的
这个feeling是很难很难洗掉的
然后我觉得这不只是我把
这是很多
特别是在一线城市的一些朋友
都有这个feeling
就是我要产出
我要be productive

(58:15):
我要有价值
可是有的时候你就像relax啊
嗯那我觉得你也不用去想太多
强求怎么样
就是让想产出的人去产出
想休息的人休息就好了
我i agree
因为每每个人的性格不一样
就是我我
我有一些朋友

(58:36):
他好就是他
他是摩羯座
他就是工作狂
他就是要要有事业
想要做什么
想要怎么
就是达到什么价值啊
怎么样我很好啊
我很就是我觉得很棒啊
虽然我觉得他有一点过于累了
对要求自己有点高了
可能有的时候甚至影响到身体

(58:57):
但是我觉得整体还是好的
你就多注意些身体
但对我来说
我就是想休息
那也没错啊
就我就是一个很懒散的人
那很那就那我就过懒散的生活吧
这样的
yeah
i agree with that i think that's a good place to end
uh huh
我很开心你过来分享这件事
因为我觉得你最后那句话真的

(59:20):
it it fits me would you do that you want to do that
i think that's great okay okay
uh大家这是Teleta啊
谢谢拜拜
谢谢拜拜
Okay.
Hello everyone, my name is Arthur
This is my podcast.
And then today is Toledo Talita haha
Talita!
Where did this name come from?
My sister actually gave me that name many years ago.
Uh.
I thought it was an English name.
But then I found out
it might be more like a Spanish name.
Your sister is your biological sister.
Not a cousin.
Then where did she think of it?
Maybe one day when she was flipping through a magazine,
and thought this name was quite cute.
And I happened to need a name at that time.
and then it stuck.
and it has been used until now.
Yes, it hasn't changed.
It hasn't changed.
Many people do this,
especially in China.
I feel like this is the job, so choose an English name.
Then the next job oh already has one of this name
So I choose another English name.
But my name is not very common,
so it's not easy to have the same name.
So that hasn't happened.
Ha ha ha.
Okay.
I'll take you to my podcast.
Because you travel.
Can I say it's a trip?
Nine months.
Yes.
It's crazy.
Nine months is a long break.
Yeah, indeed.
What?
Why did you start?
Maybe it was just the right time.
Because at that time, I
I left my previous job,
so I had more time.
And since more than ten years ago,
I've always wanted to go to South America.
And,
South America is far away,
So I thought if I were to go,
I must have a long and abundant time
to have a good time there.
I think the time is right now.
is also in place.
and saved some money.
and enough money.
Then I set off.
Then why do I like South America?
Just you.
I think most Chinese friends will choose Japan.
or Southeast Asia, or maybe Australia.
South America is really far away.
It's far.
So it creates a kind of beauty.
Just curious.
Curiosity about it.
maybe more than other continents.
Huh.
Where does your curiosity come from?
Don't you think South America is not promoted here?
For China, South America
maybe Brazil has some coffee,
and we both practice jiu-jitsu.
but it's not promoted much here.
But it's not that there's none.
When you were a kid, you didn't watch a movie
called Happy Together?
Didn't you have it?
It's Leslie Cheung and
I don't watch movies.
Ah.
OK, you can cut this part.
No problem.
Just say
Leslie Cheung and that guy,
Tony Leung
and Zhang Zhen.
There was a famous movie at that time.
which was actually filmed in Argentina.
He had some
some romantic impressions anyway.
about the end of the world,
the southernmost lighthouse,
including some of the world's largest waterfalls.
and some romantic memories.
and some like film and television works.
such as Marquez,
You always think that South America is magical.
They always think that
It's magical.
So adding distance
which creates some mysterious beauty.
Oh.
I've never been there.
and I'm not particularly interested.
So even though I live in New Jersey,
living in the US for so long,
I've been to Mexico.
Mexico is okay.
and that's it.
And then further south,
I'm not interested.
Cuba,
I'm okay with Cuba.
I can.
I think it's a moderate distance.
Yeah, I think so.
I'm old.
But if you ask me to run,
I'm not interested in going further south.
Thank you.
So I have a different idea from you.
Maybe it's because of our different personalities.
Since I was young,
I was actually more curious about many other destinations.
I was more curious about them.
And it's a special place over there.
Yeah, so everyone should know that
I'm a person who doesn't like traveling very much.
I try not to travel as much as possible.
Because I think my schedule in Shanghai is so good,
I have everything I want to do
are all arranged neatly.
But when I travel,
especially a nine-month trip,
I feel
I will disrupt my entire well-organized schedule.
all disrupted.
I understand.
it's because if I
if I have some short-term planned
like a one or two-week trip,
my daily fitness schedule
and my jiu-jitsu training schedule
Yes, all of them.
I might have to rebuild it after I come back.
You might be lazy for a few days,
and then
It may take a month or so.
your training will be ruined.
This feeling, right?
I can understand that.
But nine months are different.
It's just you.
just treat this period as if you
as if it's another schedule.
Uh, I agree. You can first tell everyone
which countries you have been to.
Let's go through the entire itinerary first.
because it's quite long.
Uh.
I started from Guatemala in Central America.
Then I went to Honduras from Guatemala.
Then I flew from Honduras to Costa Rica.
I booked a diving trip there.
Then I flew from Costa Rica to Colombia.
I traveled by land from Colombia to Peru.
Then I played all the way from Peru
I went to Bolivia and Chile.
And then from Chile,
I just
because Chile is a relatively narrow country,
a relatively narrow country, right?
Right? I was in Argentina for a while,
and then Chile.
and then Argentina,
I went to
So,
I crossed it horizontally
and southward.
Finally,
I finally reached Ushuaia, Argentina.
Then took a ship to the South Pole from there.
and then
After returning from the South Pole,
it was like a journey back to the north.
From returning to
from Argentina to Brazil.
and then started to go westward
and then eastward,
Yes, yes, yes, we went back along the east coast.
After staying in Brazil for more than two months,
I went to Cuba.
Finally, in Mexico,
and finally in Mexico.
and then I came back.
That's the whole itinerary.
It's long.
Why did you stay in Brazil for so long?
Well, Brazil.
mainly because
because
there is a very important festival every year,
It's the carnival.
Many of you may have seen some videos on Instagram.
on Instagram.
So,
I saw the date of this year's carnival in Brazil.
Yes.
from February twenty-eighth to the week before March first.
I had just arrived in Brazil at that time,
In early January,
I thought, well,
Since I'm here,
so I just waited.
I spent some time in Brazil waiting for the carnival.
a month.
Uh.
more than two months.
I thought
My original plan
each country might be about a month or so,
about a month.
more or less.
sometimes more,
and a little more in some places.
and less in some places.
But Brazil spent more than two months
it took more than two months.
Uh-huh.
Is it worth it?
First, is it worth it?
Yes, it is.
Brazil.
is actually my favorite country in South America.
Uh-huh.
Of course, I like Latin America the most.
Later, it was Mexico.
But on the South American continent,
my favorite country is actually Brazil.
And my favorite city is Sao Paulo.
Why do I like Sao Paulo?
Um.
Maybe I have experienced a lot.
Many people may think Rio is more famous
and more people go there.
But I'm in Sao Paulo.
I am
I
I may prefer cities that are not so touristy.
And then Sao Paulo.
it's the largest city in South America,
It's a bit like Shanghai.
When you live there,
you will feel the convenience of the city.
Whether it's transportation,
food, accommodation,
and the cultural life it can provide.
and entertainment life.
And because I stayed in Sao Paulo for a long time,
I also practiced jiu-jitsu there for a month.
I couldn't completely give up jiu-jitsu.
So I think that was the most fulfilling time.
and also,
I made the most local friends.
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So overall,
I think Sao Paulo is the
the top one in South America.
When many of my friends go traveling,
they all hope to make friends locally.
But I found that many people just can't take this step.
They may think that
Although I want to make some international friends,
but they just can't take this first step.
Talking to strangers.
and chat with strangers.
Why don't you have this problem?
Uh.
I'm not a very proactive and outgoing artist.
that is,
I mostly rely on others to take the initiative to chat.
Well,
But, um,
The characteristic of Sao Paulo is that
because I train jiu-jitsu there.
Because I manage training every day,
I have many friends.
So, Brazilian jiu-jitsu is a medium.
Through practicing jiu-jitsu,
I met many local friends there.
They took me out to eat,
and took me out to bars at night.
and even took me to the cities where they used to study.
where they used to study.
They took me to the old city for city work and other things.
All of these are facilitated by Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
Yeah, I've often heard this story.
When you go to a city,
as long as you go to a jiu-jitsu gym,
they will say,
Oh, you're not from here.
then we'll take you out to play.
I often hear this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's a
I think it's a secret.
It's a great travel experience.
Yes, um.
Um, we
we often bring
we bring climbing shoes and
go to the local climbing gym
to see what they have.
and see what the gym looks like
and how their routes are set.
and all of these.
Or bring a rash guard
and shorts to the surfing hall.
Yeah.
and then go to the surfing hall.
I loved surfing when I was a kid.
but the culture of surfing
I don't like it more and more.
Now I think if you go to some tourist attractions,
there weren't so many tourists when we were kids.
this,
Now, tourists at tourist attractions
and they mess up these places.
They are very aggressive.
And they're not very polite.
these surfers
I often don't like it.
So I don't play much.
I have experienced it.
Because I have a famous surf spot in Mexico,
called Buenos Aires Condado.
They claim to be the pipeline of Mexico.
It's a good surf spot.
And then,
Because the waves are good,
so every wave comes out,
at least four or five people would rush to stand up.
Um.
Everyone doesn't really follow the so-called traffic rules.
and won't
really won't yield.
So when I was young, there were fewer people.
And the surf spots that everyone knows
might be a little mysterious.
There was no
and no internet, so it couldn't
to convey that this place is good.
everyone has their own secret
secret spots.
we can all go.
Especially when we went surfing in Hawaii before,
at five thirty in the morning.
At six o'clock, everyone was already out there.
I arrived at six o'clock,
there were already a large number of people surfing.
Oh shit.
Let's just start like this.
But I felt very social at that time.
After surfing, they would come back
and then find a supermarket
and buy some poke or something.
and then we would eat outside the supermarket.
We hung out and it was fun.
But now,
I think this culture has faded a lot.
Maybe it's because of tourists.
Because for most people,
for people like Kawaii,
surfing is like going for a morning run in the park.
it should be the same.
It's the same, right?
Many people go back to take a shower after surfing
go to work or school.
It's really integrated into life.
it's integrated into life.
But now, many surf spots
because they are all tourists
or surfers from other places.
Every day, they
I just come for surfing.
So their purpose of surfing
is too strong.
Yeah, and then um.
It may be manifested as the change in culture.
Yeah, it wasn't like this before.
it wasn't like this.
So I think that
I'd rather be on the beach.
I have a lot of time anyway.
If I were traveling,
I would just lie on the beach,
and just lie down and daze.
occasionally go for a swim,
and then come back.
I wouldn't have such a strong desire to surf.
Well, it's fine.
I understand. Yeah.
What do you think is the most fun?
this city in Brazil.
Tell us about Sao Paulo first.
You stayed for two months.
what did you do every day?
From morning to night.
There aren't so many things to do.
That is,
My life in Sao Paulo is relatively regular.
I go there either in the morning or in the evening.
I definitely go to the jiu-jitsu gym to train.
Which one?
Uh.
Uh, Alliance Okay.
Yes, and then I'll take two classes there.
Two classes a day.
Um.
One is G and the other is no G.
All together.
I'll practice.
The rest of the time will be spent practicing.
Maybe in the first one or two weeks,
I will find some places like art galleries, museums,
museums,
and some more touristy places.
to check in and take a look.
Then I'll just wander around.
That is,
There are some areas before
some blocks with some streets.
I really like the atmosphere there.
So this afternoon I'm going there to relax
and then just wander around.
I'll take a rest there when I'm tired.
and read a book or something.
That's fun. I can feel that.
many tourists are like that.
I need to visit all three places.
and they are in a hurry.
I don't feel so rushed.
Because you have more time.
Yes, yes.
Because I'm not in a hurry.
Just like me.
I have an experience.
that is,
when I was in Buenos Aires,
you.
I met some friends who just got off the ship in Antarctica.
who were also from Singapore.
They took leave to come out,
They would stay in Buenos Aires for three days.
And I happened to be there for those three days.
so we made plans to play together.
Their schedule was from morning to night.
and they had at least five or six stops per day.
And I probably
I could only join one or two of their activities.
I just
that's enough.
I felt like
I was enough, and then I would go to the rest later.
because I stayed longer than them,
I will go on other days.
Yes.
How is your Spanish?
I learned it there.
On the spot.
In Guatemala and Bolivia,
I found Spanish coaches.
I took one-on-one Spanish lessons with teachers.
Now it's mainly for daily
for the communication in travel scenarios.
Simple conversations are no problem.
But if you speak too fast or, uh,
or talk about something beyond those scenes,
I may not be able to react immediately.
So you mainly use English.
Well, depending on the country,
some countries have developed relatively well,
like Mexico, yeah.
Your English is good.
and Costa Rica,
English is actually quite common there, right?
But there are places like, um,
in Bolivia or Colombia,
many places,
you will find that they really don't know English at all.
They don't even know the English for
they don't even understand the English for one, two, three, four.
They can't even say numbers like one, two, three,
or four, which is also not okay.
They also need to rely on
How do they communicate?
Use Spanish?
Later, this also forced me
the reason why I must learn some Spanish.
So are you still learning it?
I still practice every day when I come back.
Are you using Duolingo?
I hope not.
No.
I'm reading books.
I found some textbooks.
So I'm thinking,
Because I have also
I took maybe dozens of hours of Spanish classes.
So I'm thinking,
But overall, it's not very good.
I want to see some regular
uh, how to say,
systematic textbooks to see
how they teach in the teaching system.
Um.
I think it will help.
Because I
After I have understood a lot of grammar, I will look at it.
I think it will be simple.
I can understand it.
If I can understand it, I will continue to read.
If I can't understand it at all,
or it's a difficult part,
I might give up easily.
just like when I was studying before.
But I have
I think
I have some basic understanding of it.
When I read it,
I will actually
it's actually a review of what I have learned before.
So I'm actually quite proactive now.
I spend one or two hours a day doing this.
Yes.
Ah, that's useful.
And I think
There are many Spanish speakers in Refuge.
Yes, yes, yes.
I don't know why.
Just this.
There are a lot of Spanish speakers in this hall.
Yes, there are really many.
Yes, we will have it at the end of this month.
Our coach will come from Spain.
At that time,
I hope he can understand my Spanish.
So you are training Spanish
The reason for Spanish is
Do you still want to go back?
I kind of want to.
Yes, yes, yes.
Maybe live there.
There is a possibility.
Not really.
I'm still a very traditional Chinese.
So I think
I will definitely live in China for a long time.
This is also what I want to ask.
Hahaha.
But if I have such an opportunity next time,
or in two years, I will also, um,
if there is a suitable opportunity,
I might go back and
travel for a while.
to places I haven't been before,
or maybe because of language limitations before,
I couldn't learn more about the culture and so on.
Next time, I hope
I can improve my language skills a little bit.
and then go.
Do you think it will be more convenient?
Yes.
It's about making friends with locals.
If you communicate with others,
because many locals can't speak English.
Well, if you communicate with them
is limited to a very shallow level,
it's really hard to have a deeper understanding.
Yes.
This was the problem when I first came to China.
It's a big problem.
it's hard to find real friends.
Because when you come here,
My my
At that time, my Mandarin was basically
I like red.
which is very simple Chinese.
But it gradually became better.
Yes.
It was hard to find real friends at first.
or local friends.
I can only say that.
So I gradually learned and it was much better.
Then, really, whether it's in a bar
or at work,
you can find friends
who can communicate with you,
and communicate with you deeply.
Then you really feel like you belong here.
But the food is my next question.
I really think that whether you go to Mexico
even ordinary Americans who go to Mexico will say
I forgot what it's called.
Takunuma's revenge.
It means you will basically have diarrhea.
for three days.
Maybe I have a good stomach.
Not just a little bit.
Because I've eaten Indian food before.
some Indian roadside stalls,
and I didn't have any problems.
I stayed in India for half a month without any problems.
Well, in Mexico,
I might eat some dumplings on the roadside every day
and I didn't have any problems.
Lucky, because when we went to Bali,
I've been to Bali about three or four times,
and people often say Bali belly.
Bali belly means you get food poisoning when you go to Bali.
and then food poisoning.
you'll be out for at least four or five days.
Everyone says Bali belly for about four or five days.
But I've never had it.
But I often hear
and people often ask me if I got Bali belly.
and I said yes.
So in the US,
because some of my friends in the US
they also think that Mexican代购 will
especially those on the street.
They are mainly on the street, so they are unhygienic,
and cause diarrhea.
Yeah.
So it's a consensus in American society.
Yeah.
there's a possibility that you'll get it when you go to Mexico.
I didn't know before I went.
Ha ha ha.
I know now.
Ha ha ha.
Because they say it's a water quality problem.
I don't know, but I've never had it.
But I'm worried.
When you go to a strange city, it's natural to have it.
From a physiological point of view,
you have this bacteria in your body,
and then they have different bacteria.
and they will always fight.
But you have no problems.
I'm a travel body.
Ha ha ha.
And actually, Mexico
Uh.
is the most satisfying in terms of cuisine
the most satisfying in terms of cuisine.
I know Mexican food is so good.
Yes, definitely.
Even the best in South America can't compare to Mexico.
What about Brazil?
Just eat so much meat.
Brazil is okay.
The reason why Brazil is good is that it has many Asians.
and
and a large Japanese community there,
So their Asian cuisine is very good.
So in Brazil,
I actually eat a lot besides their local meat,
I've eaten a lot.
Japanese food,
Chinese food, Korean food,
and Vietnamese food, which are all delicious.
I'm satisfied with Brazilian cuisine.
I'm satisfied with Brazilian cuisine.
And Brazilian cuisine will learn a lot from
Asian cuisine.
such as stir-frying.
Just look at it,
you can see some cooking methods
that are beyond the scope of Western cuisine.
But most other countries are really horrible.
Really?
I heard Argentina's food is also delicious.
Argentina.
Ha ha ha, sorry.
No problem.
Argentina, Argentina's meat is not bad.
The advantage of Argentina is that you eat beef.
Actually, when I first arrived in Argentina,
I thought wow,
their steaks
the quality is OK.
and the price was reasonable when I was in the north.
where the prices weren't too outrageous.
I thought it was very nice.
But you can't eat steak every day.
I can.
I can.
But I can't.
That is,
After eating the third steak in five days,
I already felt a bit tired of it.
Well, and then,
Besides steak,
the main food there
are a bit too monotonous.
like South American dumplings,
Indiana Dada,
and fried pastries like Italian pizza,
fried pancakes.
Milanese, they call it.
I haven't tried it.
Yes.
Anyway, it's a bit like our fried chicken cutlet.
or fried, but it's thin,
unlike the kind we can see, uh,
thick and juicy,
and thin ones.
Uh.
What else is mainstream?
Even when I was in Argentina,
I met a very good friend.
I even stayed at his home for half a month.
and I lived in his hometown for half a month.
His hometown is known as the hometown of Asado.
It's Asado.
Yes.
which is also a famous grilled meat in Argentina.
It's actually barbecue.
a method of barbecue.
He claims that their hometown's Asado
because there are
are several regions with developed agriculture.
there are more cows and other animals.
He said that the
their Asado is the best in Argentina.
I tried it.
and ate for two days.
This is the best.
this is the best.
Maybe the ingredients are good,
but you just roast it like this,
and then put it in the dry bread.
I feel it's a waste to eat it.
I'd be so happy.
without even a little sauce.
and no sauce at all.
No.
It's just the roasted meat
and then cut into small pieces.
Yes, and then it's put in the burger.
The cold bread
It's pre-made and given to you.
It's almost the same every day.
and the waiting time is long.
Their Assad has to first burn the charcoal, oh,
Uh, the wood.
not charcoal,
to burn the wood into small pieces of charcoal,
and then they turn them into small pieces of charcoal,
and then take the charcoal
It's actually a bit like low-temperature slow roasting.
and then use the charcoal to roast the meat.
Yeah.
It takes two hours to eat each time.
Ah.
But I don't know.
Because I'm a big meat eater.
Every time I go back to America,
the happiest thing is to set up my grill.
In the morning,
sometimes when the sun hasn't even risen in the morning,
I have wrapped the pork chops I marinated last night
all wrapped in foil,
and start roasting at a low temperature.
I get it, I think I would.
That's my favorite.
I'm the opposite of you.
I can eat meat too,
but I can go without meat for a long time.
I really like
Vegetables,
or other carbohydrates.
So you think maybe you eat a little bit.
or in Brazil, no problem.
Well, Brazil is okay.
Brazil is okay.
but other South American countries are not so good.
Perhaps Peru is a little better.
Because Peru also eats chicken.
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Uh, seafood.
and Peru has many Japanese people.
with modern Japanese cuisine.
Hmm, Brazil.
There are many good restaurants in Peru,
with Japanese style.
which has a great influence.
And Peru's famous dish,
its national dish is ceviche.
It's actually a bit like our Chaoshan raw fish.
like sashimi.
We call it Peruvian sashimi.
So I really like to make ceviche.
Yes.
Uh, what's wrong?
I'm very careful about
I'm very careful about raw fish.
You know.
because you really don't know.
and people don't know.
If ceviche is raw fish,
and then you use lemon juice or lime juice
and soak it for a while.
and then use this acid
the acid is used to disinfect it.
Brackets, um.
But that's so dangerous.
Sometimes I really don't know.
Yes, yes, yes.
So you didn't get sick from eating it.
I'm really shocked.
Uh.
You have a strong stomach.
travel body.
Amazing speech.
I really like it.
I have a friend named Hugo.
who also practices jiu-jitsu.
He basically lives in Shanghai.
He is famous for giving speeches.
Wow, I really like it.
Uh huh.
but
I always think that
Peruvian chicken is the most famous.
Proving the
They roast chicken.
They, um,
They also have roast chicken,
which is a common ingredient.
but um
are actually Peruvian dishes.
are two other distinctive parts.
One is to eat alpaca meat.
Yes, I know about alpacas.
The alpaca meat and the guinea pig.
which is guinea pig.
Huh?
Is it delicious?
Is it good?
Have you ever eaten the bamboo rat in our country?
No.
It's not as good as bamboo rat.
OK.
You can try
Bamboo rat.
As long as it's a rat, I'm not sure.
Because the fat and aroma of the bamboo rat
嗯
and its aroma is still better than that of guinea pigs.
OK.
Interesting.
I don't think I have tried this kind of animal before.
Then you may be
Yeah, yeah, I understand.
It's normal that many tourists
especially Westerners, don't eat it there.
Yeah.
Because it is
It's a complete bamboo rat.
i know
It looks like
Yes,
the one lying down.
and served to you.
Yes.
and you say no problem.
Let's go.
Ah, I eat everything.
I'm not afraid at all.
I'm afraid it will bite me.
No.
The meat is not delicious.
No.
The meat is not delicious.
You don't eat it, so you don't know if it's delicious.
Yeah.
Look at you.
Sometimes I still
Uh-huh.
It has a face.
and it has a whole body.
Sometimes I think
Ah, no.
There is no.
No.
Got you.
People who are used to living in China all year round
we eat everything, right?
Hmm.
I think it's changing now.
Especially in China, many people now, I bet you.
many children have never seen
seen a roasted whole lamb
or the whole pig's head.
I bet many of them haven't seen it.
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Especially those who live in Shanghai
or in these big cities.
Yes, yes.
That's because they only see Australian
which are just boxes in the supermarket.
I grew up in Shanghai,
I have never seen a whole roasted lamb or pig in Shanghai.
I have seen it at
on Aomen Road,
in those markets.
Yes, yes.
Yes, there are still some.
When we went to Inner Mongolia,
I could eat it everyday when I went to Inner Mongolia.
Yes.
I can only see the whole sheep in those places.
whole sheep and other animals.
It's so delicious.
So I'm confident to eat barbecue every day.
I can eat steak every day and never get tired of it.
No problem.
Three hundred and sixty-five days.
I may need to balance it.
Ha ha ha.
I need to add some vegetables
Add some fruits and I'll be fine.
They don't eat much fruit either.
Well, Brazil is okay, but other places don't grow much fruit.
That's really weird, hmm.
Because Brazil has acai berries, everyone knows about it.
acerola and acai are very good.
In Brazil, overall,
it grows a lot of fruits.
There should be some history and so on.
And also,
I also encountered the Chilean cherry season.
Yes, but I grew up in the US.
I think the cherries in California are better.
Hmm.
Ha ha ha.
Then I recommend a domestic one.
Hanyuan black pearl.
I also think they are delicious.
In Sichuan,
I really, really, really, really.
I haven't eaten it.
I don't know.
Maybe it's just off the market.
You can wait for next year.
OK.
It's really called black pearl.
They are big and the darker the color,
Yes, the darker ones.
Okay, I'll try it next year.
Ha ha ha, so what do you think you've gained from this whole trip?
what did you gain?
Do you think there are some changes?
Well, for you, there must be some changes.
Yes.
Mainly,
I think some
my own views on things.
and views on things.
Because going to South America,
even before going there,
very,
there were many stereotypes about it.
and they would think this or that about it.
And after we went there,
we sometimes met other people on the road,
they would also tell me some things that we would
we communicate,
Others would also share their opinions or experiences.
But later I found that
knowing
what you hear from others' ears
or have been there
or even from people who have been there
are different from your real feelings.
So nothing compares to your own real experience.
I agree with this.
Did you have any stereotypes at first?
Yes, quite a few.
The first one is definitely safety concerns.
Because it's said to be very chaotic.
there are drug lords everywhere,
and people pointing guns at you.
like shootings
and robberies. Yeah.
I heard.
I can't say there aren't.
There must be.
I haven't met, but there must be.
But overall, it's not that common.
It's not that common.
Or when I was in Argentina,
No, not Argentina.
When I was in Mexico, I met a girl.
She was from London and was about to go back home.
Before she left, she asked me
if she could give me one of her stun guns
for self-defense to me.
I thought about it.
因为
I had been traveling in Latin America for nine months,
and it was the last month.
And I had been in Mexico for a few days.
I thought it was not necessary.
so I didn't take it.
Later, I thought yes, yes.
He said the safety situation here might be
was better than London.
so he brought him back to London.
Yes, he thought.
he thought it was right.
Mexico City is safer than London.
Yeah, um.
I think New York is getting worse and worse.
But everyone hears horror stories.
Yeah, it feels like
Every horror story is exaggerated.
and good stories are not emphasized.
So everyone is a little scared of every place.
Right? I think before we go to Thailand, you are on
on Xiaohongshu or whatever,
you're searching for Thailand travel,
and you will be recommended a lot.
This person was
this person was kidnapped,
and this person was
and you'll say, oh my god.
Why are there so many things?
But when you go,
It's fine, no problems.
So I think these are more dangerous.
But you must have your own safety awareness.
Of course.
I think this is also
Uh.
safety is always happening.
Because the ones who remind me the most are all locals.
When I'm on the street,
I actually have a chain for my phone.
I can just wear it diagonally across my body.
How about it?
But countless times on the street, someone will tell me
don't carry it on your back.
Yes.
就是
don't let others see your phone in your hand.
In fact, they are, um,
low opportunity.
that is, you should lower
In fact, Latinos
subjectively, they are a very lazy nation.
They don't really like to use their brains.
Even if they want to commit a crime, they don't want to.
use their brains.
Crime is that you don't put opportunities in front of them.
they will think,
then he will try it.
If you don't give them the opportunity,
they will not bother to use their brains
to create this opportunity.
I think so.
This entire nation is.
I understand this point and I actually agree.
I think you shouldn't give him this opportunity.
The problem is that I often say on this podcast
I think China is too safe.
Yes.
Many Chinese people don't have this awareness.
how conservative they are in other places.
Although their Xiaohongshu also promotes the danger of this thing.
this thing is dangerous.
You should be careful doing this.
But you haven't lived in this environment.
you can't get it.
You should keep your phone
put your phone in your pocket or bag when you go out.
and hold the bag in your arms, which is safer.
Because that's how it is in New York.
It's best not to wear headphones
don't wear headphones.
or look at your phone while walking.
Because a bike might come directly and hit you.
and your phone will be hit.
Yes, yes, yes.
Later, I also
Uh.
I reminded myself all the way.
I'm on the street, but you still have to look at your phone.
We need to watch the road.
Check Google Maps, and you need to check many things.
Try to look around first before looking at your phone.
and then look at you.
Don't look at your phone along the non-motorized lane.
If you don't look at your phone, who will?
You must look inside.
If there are shops, just take two steps
walk into the store or stand at the door.
It's better to look like this.
Anyway,
I did have some stress reactions behind me over there.
It's just a habit, and yes.
And in foreign countries, people use wallets and money.
unlike us who have started to use less cash.
So from time to time,
every ten or fifteen seconds or half a minute,
I will subconsciously touch my pocket
to see if my wallet is still there.
I'm already a little stressed.
When I came back,
have I forgotten all these habits?
I forgot that I have forgotten all of them.
Ha ha ha, now I, I just
maybe I have a better adaptability.
I now like walking on the street.
I just put my phone in the pocket at the back of my pants.
It's a terrible idea.
It's a terrible idea.
Of course, it doesn't matter in China.
but I would never do that abroad.
Yes.
Yes, yes.
Because my sister is studying in Florence, Italy.
And let me tell you,
Thieves in Italy, especially in Rome, are world-class.
pickpockets, and it's true.
and they can pickpocket any pocket
they can pickpocket it.
So you have to be very careful.
And recently I saw one.
some people are studying which people are most likely
to be targeted.
Yes, the target.
Have you seen this?
I haven't seen this research.
They put together
the most tortured people in prison.
and show you a lot of photos
and many videos.
and then they pointed out who would be the target.
Many of them are Asian.
The point is not that they are Asian,
but when they describe these people,
they think these people are boring.
they felt that these people were not confident.
And then they feel
that I shouldn't bully that person.
Okay.
Then they think that
that this person walks a little shy.
Maybe like this.
And keep looking at their phones.
they will pick out such people
and think he is easy to bully.
Then I should go, you know, okay.
Then,
Basically, there are many Chinese here.
some habits that they are not aware of.
If you go to other countries,
they will think that person is easy to bully.
It leads me to
I think
we should be more aware of these things here.
Well, let me tell you a little story of mine.
I actually encountered once
almost had my wallet stolen.
And
my wallet had indeed been taken away from me.
It was in the capital of Chile, Santiago.
Santiago.
and that city.
Before I went, many people told me that
that theft is very serious now.
I think the online rumors
the online rumors are credible.
That is to say,
that is,
The public opinion says that theft is very serious in this city.
It may be true.
it's really serious.
On the morning of my first day there, it happened.
I just put my bag down at the hotel,
I decided to have lunch outside.
Then, within five minutes of leaving, I encountered theft.
and it was some of their common
the local Latin American tricks.
They would first pour a basin of
very smelly and sour water.
I initially thought it might be from a tree,
because I was in a
and it was a better central park in the city.
and relatively central park.
Yes.
It was around eleven o'clock before noon,
It wasn't a dangerous time.
Then I thought
maybe there was bird poop falling from the tree.
Then a person came over.
he said you seemed to be dirty.
and asked if I wanted to wipe it there.
I was actually a little cautious.
I thought this person might not be a good person.
I didn't need to wipe it myself.
I had paper, wet wipes and so on.
I happened to have a small bag on my back.
He really wanted me to wipe it there.
I just ignored him.
Then it was a stalemate.
for maybe half a minute or a minute.
and he left.
Then I continued to wait for the traffic light there.
I wanted to leave this area and wipe it somewhere else.
While waiting for the traffic light, another person came.
At that time,
my vigilance actually dropped a little bit.
Then that person said to me,
Hey, your head is still dirty.
I said yes, it seems so.
He said yes yes yes.
Here.
He also touched it and so on.
Then he started chatting with me.
I really let my guard down at that time.
When did I realize something was wrong?
After he chatted with me for a while,
the first person came back.
I felt that after he came back,
he came up and was very strange,
he started to touch me.
and offered to help me wipe.
saying things like this and that.
I thought I didn't know you at that time.
I said stay away from me.
don't touch me.
When I scolded that person,
The second one, I was still relaxed,
he suddenly left.
He just disappeared like a flash.
I thought how could you leave so suddenly.
Then I immediately touched my pocket
and found that my wallet was gone.
They were in cahoots.
And then,
Then I quickly packed my bag
and rushed up to chase him.
Uh, and then I chased him for dozens of meters and caught up.
Then he returned my wallet.
Maybe my emotions at that time were also
I showed a kind of momentum.
just like you return it to me.
without using any skills or anything.
or anything else.
I just stared at him and said,
and give me back my wallet.
Then he returned it to me.
So, um.
Well done.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I think it was also a good reminder.
It's him.
it happened in the middle of my journey.
Yeah.
He was
I might have been used to many European and American
and Latin American countries, and I was a little relaxed.
Then he gave me
Although it didn't cause any loss,
but it gave me a wake-up call.
So in the following countries,
I started to be vigilant again.
and became more serious.
It's important to be vigilant.
Yes, because I also
I think when you travel,
you need to be prepared.
This mentality is
The problem is that sometimes I think
you are ready for this mentality,
you may not enjoy
the trip.
Everyone around you might be a bad person.
From this perspective,
it's still dangerous.
Then you might think, what am I doing here?
Most people think it's beautiful.
But you should also be careful.
This contradiction
Sometimes,
I have a deep understanding of this contradiction.
I have a deep understanding.
especially in Cuba.
Hmm.
Because in Cuba,
especially in Havana.
all the online guides,
and all the locals,
The first day I arrived there,
LBNB, our landlord,
they told me that
don't talk to anyone.
don't talk to anyone who talks to you on the street.
Don't trust anyone who talks to you on the street.
And um yes.
That's right.
I believe their reminder must be reasonable.
I think it makes sense.
But this is indeed
As I said,
the feeling you mentioned is that
When I'm walking on the street,
there are so many people talking to me.
and I just ignore them all.
I also think it's weird.
why I came here.
Yeah, I feel the same way.
Once I had a fight with my girlfriend.
And we were in Bali.
It was obviously a scam.
It was obviously a scam.
Someone came over
and said you scratch this thing
and see if you win.
We were doing an event.
And I happened to win tens of thousands of yuan.
and he won an iPhone.
Oh, you won.
Then you come to our hotel
Come to our hotel tomorrow
to pick up your prize.
I knew it was fake.
He also knew it was fake.
Then I said, let's go and try it.
You don't know.
Then what I'm curious about is
when he would ask me to pay.
Start.
when he would ask me to take out my wallet and swipe a card.
I just want to know what this scam looks like.
Yes, I'm curious.
I also know it's a scam.
He should also know that I know it's a scam.
He is confident that he can deceive you.
But I'm curious
when he will come to ask me for money.
Because there must be a point.
The money will be transferred from me to him.
I just wanna know.
Then my girlfriend got angry
What are you going to do?
I said I'm confident
I should be able to pay.
What if a bunch of people beat you up?
I said maybe, then I'll run.
But I was just wondering
I'm curious how this scam works.
Well,
But from their perspective,
what if you're dead?
That's also possible.
Yes, I think it's all understandable.
it's understandable.
Yes, yes, yes.
Yes.
And I believe that if you really want to go,
maybe you and I
I feel that
If this area is dangerous,
your body will precede your brain.
In other words,
It means
your body
your intuition will tell you that this place is dangerous.
It may stop you.
Maybe the next day when you arrive at the hotel,
after taking a look at the door,
you might not go in.
Because your qi, the atmosphere inside,
including how to make you feel uncomfortable.
If it's a physical threat,
you might just back out.
This is in many places like Europe and America,
or those bad streets.
I don't necessarily remember which streets are bad.
Because as soon as I walk on that street,
I know something is wrong here.
the aura is wrong.
Maybe your body will tell you at that time.
Do you think you have developed it through travel?
you've developed it?
Or is it something you already have?
I think it may be experience.
Yes, travel experience.
Yes, because I think
Modern people
must be people who have lived in Shanghai for a long time.
they must not know.
Possibly.
they must not know.
Because I think
Most people live in relatively safe places now.
This awareness has been washed away.
You have never been robbed since you were a child.
or been beaten.
You don't know this place is dangerous.
Unless you have this experience,
you feel it.
I might be robbed.
When I first came to Shanghai,
I don't know, in twenty eleven, ten.
earlier, because we also studied at Fudan University.
Maybe you came here in two thousand three or four.
There were many pickpockets at that time.
There were many.
I remember one time from
the train station,
Oh, there were many pickpockets there.
But we were on the Bund.
and took a ferry to Lujiazui.
When we just got off the ferry,
I turned my head to say something to my sister.
Then that person's hand
had already reached into my sister's bag.
I said hey, and he looked at me too.
and both of us ran in opposite directions.
Luckily, he didn't get anything.
But we just
there's danger here.
Be careful.
Yes.
But when this kind of thing happens frequently,
you know that
This doesn't feel right.
But many people
no longer have this experience.
have no such experience.
They don't know what is dangerous.
and which places are dangerous.
It's possible.
Well,
It may be because I have been used to
I'm used to traveling alone.
When you go out alone,
you will be more careful.
You will pay more attention to safety.
Do you think a girl solo travels?
Why?
Because my sister does the same.
I often tell her to be careful.
I can't stop her.
How to say?
That is,
This is why.
It's mainly because of my own curiosity.
Because I want to do it.
so I just did it.
And, um,
I think
as long as you have a basic sense of safety
don't do things that you know are dangerous,
and don't do many dangerous things,
It turns out that
I've been through this journey
Yes.
mostly no problems.
Yeah.
Uh-huh.
So the world is not that bad,
as scary as I thought.
Really, really.
Even before I went to the carnival in Brazil,
before the Rio Carnival,
my friends in Sao Paulo, yeah, wow.
they were so worried.
For them in Sao Paulo,
And you know,
there are some one point eight meters tall men
I know.
They are big men who exercise and train jiu-jitsu all year round.
They think Rio is a very
very dangerous place.
I
Carnival.
is really the most dangerous place in the world.
They think you, you
Uh.
how can you go to Rio Carnival alone?
This is just
It's too crazy.
It's really impossible.
It's too dangerous.
Everyone's reaction
was basically like this.
Uh-huh.
And you still went.
Yeah, almost.
Yeah, more or less.
Because I happened to be during the carnival.
I had another friend.
we made an appointment.
Yes, it was another girl.
Two girls.
But it's not much different.
I think it's okay.
Carnival
including the street block parties
and the official
the official samba parade.
I went to see them.
The street ones
there were maybe a dozen.
I watched those videos and they were super fun.
There were hundreds of thousands of people.
It's fun.
It's crazy.
But,
my phone
was wrapped around my hand
and hold it in your hand.
and then
And you don't carry any valuables with you.
Everyone just wears a small chest bag,
and then hold it all the time.
and just rush in like this.
I get it.
And they
I
Their carnival starts at around six in the morning.
until night.
I have a video log
One day, I had a vlog that I really wanted to watch.
So it was written as seven o'clock.
So I got up around six, six fifty.
Anyway, I set off in that direction before seven o'clock.
I found that there were many people on the street.
just like me,
who had just made up and were going to the party.
But there were also many people who had just finished.
That's his twenty-four hours
is really twenty-four hours non-stop.
Many people joined the carnival
rest and then rest.
It's crazy.
I think that's my favorite kind of party.
That's the kind of party.
It doesn't stop.
It just goes on.
Everyday, it's non-stop.
That's it.
It's non-stop from morning to night.
We used to be in
whether it's in Florida in the US
music festivals,
It lasted for three or four days without stopping.
There was always a party going on.
You can always find a party.
at the pool of a hotel.
And if you don't go to this party,
and twelve hours later, you'll be at another party.
or another party,
the same people.
We just keep rotating.
That's the best.
Yes yes yes.
from morning to night.
and
The morning party is different from the evening party.
Both are fun.
Yes, yes, yes.
I miss that.
Yes.
Even though I'm not a party person,
but I think it's fun.
This is what I want to ask.
As a person who doesn't like parties,
can you adapt to this rhythm?
Well, it's only a week after all.
It's long.
我
I didn't do it every day for a whole week.
I only participated in the street party
just for the first two or three days.
for less than three days.
And then after that,
and then I
because I booked the ticket for the third day,
for the samba parade.
It's the official
the most important event.
that
from ten pm to six am the next day.
Um.
It's the performance of the schools that learn samba.
and performances.
Basically.
Maybe I've exhausted my energy in the first two days,
and then rested well.
and then stay up all night.
That's right.
Because it's short-term,
so I think I'm willing to experience it.
But because I'm not such a party person,
so I definitely can't do it for a long time.
It's tough because you go to this place
you go there for the party.
You feel like
I should just go all out
and you just invest yourself in the party.
After experiencing it,
And the atmosphere of the scene will also drive you in.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So don't worry about whether it suits you or not.
Just go and enjoy the experience.
My question is
I also think
my friends' problem is often
I'm here,
what if I can't let go?
what if
I'm in this place,
and everyone is partying,
but I'm very cautious over there,
and I don't dance or anything.
I don't believe you. I'm just asking.
I don't think so.
It's definitely possible. If someone is really
people who are really not open-minded.
In fact, such people will be bored during the trip.
Yeah, you have to learn to let go first.
Yeah, that's right.
There must be such people.
Because I have seen them here.
I often see it here.
What's more, when I went to Japan,
and Japanese businesspeople
many of them need several bottles of wine
and slowly let go.
In their houses,
they must be very formal.
It's hard to adapt to this culture.
In a place like Brazil or South America,
where everyone is more relaxed and casual.
It's a completely different culture.
The atmosphere in Latin America is definitely more passionate
and more likely to inspire people.
But the first step,
you still need to open your mind subjectively.
So do you think after this trip,
are you more open?
Have you changed a lot?
I'm a little more open.
Yes.
I think I'm already a relatively open person.
I'm willing to
If you visit another country,
another country,
in the local place,
you just experience it and don't judge it.
that is,
What I dislike most is that some people go there
to evaluate
the quality of this thing, the quality of this culture,
and so on.
I think you should just experience it here.
It's not that you come to judge him
or
or from a developed place or something,
or from other places
to point fingers at it.
I think over there,
just
it's better to keep a relatively equal mindset
just to integrate or experience it.
But I think in this case,
you will encounter some
tourists who, um,
not open-minded,
but also like to judge others.
But
So you think you don't have a big change in mentality.
there must be a change in mentality.
There must be a change in mentality, yes.
I think in nine months,
in a completely different environment,
there must be a change in mentality.
Because Latinos are a little casual,
They are lazy and casual.
and casual.
So I think at the beginning,
you will be easily driven crazy by them.
Some sense of time.
and some, uh, yes.
I won't talk about the sense of time.
Everyone has.
Some, um,
For example, we are used to domestic infrastructure.
which is very convenient.
such as high-speed rail,
Of course, they don't have it.
But our roads
highways, and other infrastructures are well built.
But when I first arrived there,
several times I found I needed to use
maybe it's only two hundred kilometers.
or two hundred and eighty kilometers,
I had to spend eight hours
or ten hours.
I spent a whole day on the road.
just to go from point A to point B.
is actually not far.
It's only over two hundred kilometers.
And you don't even know that they
I felt very frustrated at that time.
How could this happen?
But later, I got used to it.
It's just the pace of life here. Yeah.
Yeah.
Just get used to it.
Mentally, I think it's mainly some changes.
After I came back, many of my friends
they think I'm more
and they think I'm more
more casual.
A little bit more relaxed.
Yes yes yes.
I think it's a good thing.
Yes, yes, yes.
Because I tell you,
my father is from Wall Street.
most of his work is on Wall Street.
I think it took him at least ten years after retirement
It took him ten years to calm down
his anxious mentality
to calm down. And even now,
I think he is now
he's over seventy years old.
Sometimes every day, he has to do something.
I gotta do something.
This feeling is already engraved in his mind.
that he must do something.
This feeling is hard to wash away.
And I think it's not just me.
many people
especially for some friends in first-tier cities.
have this feeling.
I need to produce,
be productive,
and be valuable.
But sometimes you just want to relax.
Well, I don't think you need to think too much.
or force yourself.
Let those who want to produce produce,
and those who want to rest can do so.
I agree.
Everyone has a different personality.
For me,
I have some friends.
He is just like that.
He is a Capricorn.
He is a workaholic.
He just wants to have a career.
what he wants to do
and what he wants to do.
and achieve some value.
I'm fine.
I think he is great.
Although I think he is a little too tired.
He is a bit too demanding of himself.
Maybe sometimes it even affects his health.
But I think it's overall good.
You should pay more attention to your health.
But for me,
I just want to rest.
That's okay.
I'm just a very lazy person.
So I'll just live a lazy life.
That's it.
Yeah.
I agree with that, I think that's a good place to end.
Uh huh.
I'm happy that you came to share this with me.
because I think your last sentence is really
It fits me.
I think that's great, okay, okay.
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