May 12, 2025 • 31 mins
In the latest episode of the Brian D. O'Leary Show, Jim Murphy, the author of the bestselling book INNER EXCELLENCE: Train Your Mind for Extraordinary Performance in the Best Possible Life, discusses the widespread impact and philosophy behind his work. Highlighting how NFL star AJ Brown benefited from Inner Excellence's teachings during critical games, Murphy elaborates on the book's core system that promotes being fully present and mastering self for extraordinary performance. He compares his concepts to those popularized by James Clear in Atomic Habits, emphasizing the importance of redefining success and learning from perceived failures. Murphy draws from his rich background as a former professional baseball player and coach, sharing personal anecdotes and experiences that shaped his understanding of sports psychology and human behavior. He emphasizes the importance of emotional stability, adaptability, and self-mastery both in sports and life. With his heartfelt insights and practical advice, Jim Murphy offers listeners the tools to navigate their lives with clarity, purpose, and resilience.
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alright, we've got Jim Murphy heretoday and Jim is the author of,
well, not a new book, but, recentlyrepublished book called Inner Excellence
Train Your Mind for ExtraordinaryPerformance in the Best Possible Life.
You've probably heard about Jim.
First thing I think I want to talkto you about is we all may have heard
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about this book, from watching the NFLplayoffs last year in the Super Bowl.
AJ Brown had your book on the sidelines.
Can you tell us a little bit about that?
And how he
Yeah, I can
got the book.
Yeah.
So AJ uh, he got the book fromhis teammate, Moro Ojomo and, uh,
Moro Ojomo just said, Hey, um, Ithink you'd really like this book.
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Take a look at it.
And so obviously he did.
Morrow got it from, uh, DJ Giaritelliat the University of Texas, Austin.
Um, he is the Athletesin Action leader there.
And so that's where Moro got it.
So I saw a picture of AJ readingthe book on, on the sideline, but I
didn't know this was like three weeksbefore January 12th was the first time
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in the Packers Wild Card game and,uh, that I didn't have any context.
And so when I found out on the 12th, thatwas, I didn't know that he was bringing
it to every game, reading it before everygame to get centered and, and reading it
after every drive to get re refocused.
There was a specific passage I thinkthat he highlighted I saw that he would
go back to after each series is that.
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Yeah, he, he, they showed, uh, um,zoomed in on, on, uh, a few of the
pages that he had highlighted most ofthe words and, and yellow highlighter.
And, well, he, I think he reallyliked the part about, uh, having
a clear mind and unburdened heart,because being a receiver in the NFL,
it's a scary proposition, right?
And so, uh, he needs to have aclear mind if he wants, because
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there's no fear when you're present.
And so I think he really used thebook to help him get, uh, present.
So yeah, I think that leads us into.
What is Inner Excellence,the title of your book?
It's a system , as far as I canunderstand, and I think, I don't know
who said it, but Systems Over Goals ispro over amateur and we're dealing with.
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It's kinda like JamesClear, uh, atomic Habits.
Yeah.
So yeah.
Inner Excellence is an in-depth systemto learn how to be fully present
in your life, fully engaged heart,mind, and body unattached to the
results of what you're trying to do.
And, uh, learning self-mastery,learning how to master the ego.
That part of your mind is alwaysthreatened to, always comparing,
never satisfied overthinking.
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Yeah.
And, in the book, we will,get that in a little bit, but.
You talk about failuresomewhere in the middle?
I have it in my notes.
I don't have the exact page.
I wish I did, but, there's no failure,only feedback and being in this,
in similar space, I just fell intoit, I guess, trying to teach people
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these skills that you talk about.
And, you know, coming from, I come froma sports background, baseball coaching,
and I want to get to that in a moment.
But, I say I've never really failed.
I've had a lot of opportunitiesfor personal growth, is what
I say is how I reframe it.
Was it, is that, appropriate?
Yeah.
Powerful.
Yeah.
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So, um, what is, what isfailure and what is success?
It's, those words are very cliche.
And, and America, the American dream isto be a huge success and not to fail.
And, uh, so it's, it's, it's definitelyan illusion because you can say
you're, you're a marathon runner andyou have your very best time ever
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personal best, but you don't win.
So you failed.
Yeah.
I mean, it's, it's a little crazy inAmerica using, just using the wrong, wrong
barometer when wins and losses are nota good way to measure anything because.
You can win and, and playterrible or lose and play great.
And so we, we need a newdefinition of, of success.
And, and, and so much isoutta your control when you're
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performing in a business and inlife and, and sports, everything.
So we really need to re redefine what's,what's, um, what we really want most in
our life and, and with Inner Excellencewe focus on, um, training the heart
to, and training it to love most.
What's most empowering because yourheart is a control center of your life.
And you have, you quote JohnWooden in here on Success.
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And I read another book and I can't, Idon't know, I think it was, um, well,
I'm not even gonna worry about it.
But they, they had a definition ofa success that was very similar and
I think it came from John Wooden.
Also, yours is more expansivethan what I had written down.
I had written down peace of mind, a directresult of the effort to become the best.
And in your book you have a more expansivequote, like I said, peace of mind, which
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is a direct result of self-satisfactionand knowing you made the effort to
become the best of which you're capable.
And those UCLA teams, likeyou mentioned in the book, uh,
he didn't even scout really.
Amen.
And he worked on fundamentals and theirteam and making sure their team was
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on top of the best thing they can do.
And then they, you get on thefloor and the game plays out.
Maybe talk a little bit more about that.
Uh, well, let, let's lookat Scottie Scheffler.
Amazing guy.
World number one golfer, amazingcaddy Teddy Scott in Louisiana.
Um, what's the greatest gift that he has?
He's super talented, right?
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It's not golf.
Um, it, it would be golf.
If golf made it, um, you know,cured cancer or saved lives or,
or taught people anything thatwas really, really meaningful.
I mean, it does, it teaches youdiscipline and, and how to focus
and, and how to, uh, sacrifice.
So there are definitelygreat things about sports.
But the greatest gift that, that, uh,Scottie Scheffler has is, is his, his
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wisdom, which I define as to know whoGod is and who you are, what God's doing
in the world, and how you can fit in.
Or another way you can say it iswisdom is, is, uh, an expansive view
of possibilities and an an obstructiveview of connections to people and
to God, and to, and to yourself.
Your, your true self.
And so, um.
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It's important to, to recognizethat western culture is obsessed
with the symbols of success.
Okay.
When it's, it's such an illusion.
'cause we can, you can spendyour whole life pursuing that and
never get what you really want.
And why do you wantthat house in the ocean?
Why do you want that, that, uh, trophyor that raise or that nicer car?
It's 'cause you want tohave great experiences.
You wanna have a better life, right.
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You can have a million followers and amillion dollars and have a terrible life.
And so Inner Excellence is aboutpursuing what's really meaningful
and true with a capital T.
Yeah.
You brought up Scottie Scheffler.
I wrote about him yesterday, I guess,about the, the grind and the consistency
of Scottie you look at that tournament,if you watch it at all or read about
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it, and it's just uh, just relentless.
I think I put it relentless consistencywas what it was, and then it became
a record setting event for him.
I wanna talk real quickly, golf, becauseyou brought it up and what success is.
This is a personal thing for me.
I played in one golftournament my entire life.
I'm an okay golfer.
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I haven't played in a long time,but played in one golf tournament.
It was a two day event.
And I think the first day, you know, Iwas like a, at the time, maybe like a
12 or 15 handicap, something like that.
So I shot a 92, the firstday, 94, something like that.
I was like, yeah, it was okay.
But I was all over the place.
The next day.
I think I, I'd read somewhere about theseVietnam, prisoners of war where they
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would just imagine playing golf in theirhead and then imagine the course, so I
had to go on a trip and come back likethree hours each way later that night.
And so I'm just likethinking the course through.
Well, I get to the 18th hole and I'mlike, holy cow, I'm gonna break 90
for maybe the first time in my life.
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And like, I'm going, maybe I can make83 or something if I hit the shot.
So I get over the ball and I do thewhole thing, like it is, I'm on it.
I hit the shot and I'm, I, I got it.
I know, I know my distance, everything.
I shank it in the water,and I'm like, holy cow.
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But then, through this whole disciplinething, I just collected myself, got
the bogey, and got out of there.
Still made a, and I end up likethinking I was stressing out.
Like I wasn't gonna finish in thetop, but it turned out that I did.
But anyway, the point is Itell people this all the time.
I didn't lose on that shank.
I did everything I was prepared to.
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It was just a bad hit or bad luck,and so I felt, you know, that was a
very successful round, even thoughI shanked it on 18, which if you
go to the pros, you know, you'd be.
Talked about as the, goat, not thegreatest of all time, but the real, the
van de Velde or whatever it might be.
But I'm like, I would've done everythingthe same and I still felt fine.
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So I think that type of success,'cause I bettered my personal,
you know, I, I beat my self.
Mm-hmm.
You know, my previous self,I guess is what I'm saying.
So I don't know if you have any
Yeah, that's great.
And how that, it's
also, uh, um, likely that, uh, part ofyour mind was thinking about the future
a little bit when you're on, on 18.
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Is that possible?
It,
a little bit, but you know, I was, I was,
I'd like to get a good score here.
I might finish with a good score.
I just got one more hole I could.
Just finished thisscore, this whole, okay.
And now it'll end up being a great day.
Yeah.
It was very, very common.
Yeah.
Well anyway, yeah.
So you work with golfers, you work withbaseball teams or baseball players.
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You're a former baseball playeryourself, and am I correct that you
went to Portland State University?
That's right.
The Vikings,
Vikings.
I grew up in Portland, Oregon.
My,
oh wow.
My mentor of probablyall mentors is Jack Dunn.
Really?
Yeah.
Jack Dunn.
That's amazing.
My coach.
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Yeah, your coach.
So, and Mike Wantland, whoyou probably know from around.
Oh my gosh.
He is probably one of my biggestadvocates in the game of baseball too.
And so,
oh my gosh.
I grew up with those guys goingtheir camps and yeah, eventually
I worked with Coach Dunn.
That's amazing.
But yeah.
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So, you went from PortlandState to the Cubs organization?
That's about five years, right.
And yeah.
Three years of the Cubs andthen two years independent.
Okay.
All right.
And so I was gonna ask how didthe, your time as a pro athlete,
help you understand this?
Or was it, did you understand itat all in college or the pros or,
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yeah.
So, uh,
and then I know you took your journeyinto the desert, you talk about,
but did you know anything about whatyou're talking about now back then?
I sure could have used it.
That definitely would'vebeen, uh, uh, nice.
I, I started studying sportspsychology probably when I was 17.
My head coach in, uh, high school inKent, Washington Larry Book said, Hey, um,
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you should read, uh, sports psychology.
Here's a book, and it's calledMental Toughness Training
for Sports by Dr. Jim Loehr.
I carried that book with mefor years and years everywhere.
And, uh, I always remember one,one thing he said was that.
The correct emotional response toa problem is 75% of the solution.
Hmm.
And so now having emotional stabilityand behavioral flexibility, being able
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to adapt to any situation, it's one ofthe five skills of Inner Excellence.
So, um, yeah.
Remind me of the question.
Oh, I was gonna say, how did yourtime as a professional athlete
in inform where you are now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So a lot of failure, um, a lotof, uh, struggle and loneliness.
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It was, it was really hard.
I had a vision problem thatreally, um, ended my career, but I
struggled with it for my, uh, almostmy entire professional career.
I didn't know that.
And one of the biggest, um,loneliest things for me are we,
you know, we're created for love.
I shouldn't say, you know, butthat's our, our, our number
one need is unconditional love.
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And our greatest desire is tobe fully known and fully loved.
And so when I signed with the Cubs,you know, everyone's rooting for
me in Portland and Seattle and Ifelt like I let everybody down.
And, um, also, I didn't really understandwhy I was not performing well and.
I was like, man, I just feel so badabout all these relationships that
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I had that were rooting for me.
And I didn't know that I had a, a seriousvision problem, um, for my, especially
the first three years of pro baseball.
Um, but now looking back, itwas just amazing, you know, what
God did and teaching me, uh, howto handle, uh, um, adversity.
You know, one of the biggest thingswe need to learn is how to handle
fear and anxiety and adversity.
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Yeah.
So this vision problem, did you know?
You say you didn't know, butdo you, did you see signs of it
maybe in high school, college,
the hardest thing was
or did
not at all?
The game?
Um, I think it started in pro baseball.
Oh, it did?
Okay.
The, and because I think it was amental thing from, and my subconscious
mind, um, my dad was, did notwant me to become rich and famous.
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Um, kind of ironic howthings have turned out.
Um.
The, uh, he thought it wouldbe bad for my character.
And so being a pro athlete was not, um,something that he really wanted for me.
And so, um, I think there wasa bit of a mental block there
because when I turned pro, that'swhen my vision kind of went south.
Yeah.
And the hard thing, there's many hardthings to it, but one thing was my, my
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eye chart vision was better than 20/20,so I didn't know that I had a problem.
It's just what I, so what happenedwas I was struggling in school at the
University of Washington and I rememberhaving headaches when I would read and
buying a can of Coke to read, uh, with,and then I finally went to the eye
doctor for some reason, and she checkedmy dynamic visual acuity and, and which
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is the ability for your muscles towork together to track moving objects,
which is very helpful in baseball.
Pretty, yeah.
Pretty good skill to have in.
And so she checks itand she says, oh, okay.
I see the problem here.
And, uh, um, she said, by theway, what kind of work do you do?
I said, I'm a professionalbaseball player.
And she said, how did you hit the ball?
I was like, well, it's been hard.
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And she was like, whoa.
Yeah.
I can't believe you'd be ableto hit the ball without that.
So that was an issue that, that Istruggled with, um, my whole career.
Yeah.
So you, but you overcameyou work through this thing.
It's just like an almost an intractableproblem there, physically, perhaps.
So as far as mentality goes, whatwould you say the uh, for, for pro
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golfers, or pro athletes, what wouldyou say the most common mental blocks
that you see even in high performance?
You, mentioned Scottie Scheffler.
He has down days.
He doesn't win every single tournament.
I mean, he won seven times last year,I think, but first time this year.
And how do you help guyslike this Stenson and
there's, well,
Overcome it?
there's, there's twomental blocks that I see.
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One is, is not being able tolet go of your past to become
someone you've never been before.
The other one is, is, uh, um, mentalblock over some simple skill that you've,
you've always been able to do, but, butthen, uh, um, becomes this mental thing.
Mm-hmm.
And so if we talk about thesecond one first, um, so in
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golf, they call it the yips.
And, um, and in the book I mentioned that.
An NFL kicker kickers is generallynot gonna have a mental block
on a 55 yard field goal becausethe expectations are low.
The mental blocks are on thePATs, the easy things, right?
A golfer generally is not gonna havea mental block on a 40 foot putt.
They may have it on afour foot putt because the
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expectations get in their mind.
And the fear of failure,fear of being embarrassed.
And so what we wanna do is, is askyourself, am I willing to be embarrassed?
Am I willing to fail?
Am I willing to look foolishin order to master my ego?
Do I, do I just want to, uh,be successful in this moment?
Or do I wanna master my ego?
And the ego will say, oh, you justgotta be successful in this moment.
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So it's that challenge,
right?
So , I talk about sports a lot andrelate, you know, life to sports, and I
mean, you do too, in your book, but how.
Uh, so the book really is not asports book, but it has a lot of
examples from the sports world.
How do you say, all right, we're gonnatake these lessons, and this is life.
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This is what you're talking about islife, and you know, to be a better
sportsman, better athlete, whatever.
You can use some of theseskills, but we, I guess.
When we talk about, you talked aboutsuccess earlier, we see these bright,
shiny objects in the form of successas championships, Super Bowl wins,
Masters jackets, all that stuff.
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How does this work for me or my people whodon't do sports, they're just living life.
Yeah.
So, so Inner Excellence was developedover five years of, of 50 to 60
hours a week for five years straight.
Um, researching and writing about.
How to be mentally tough in themost, in the toughest pressure
situations in the world.
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And so I focused on professional andOlympic athletes, but really, um,
there's a lot of Americans that have alot more pressure than a pro athlete.
I mean, people working two jobs, there'sno off season don't have coaches like
me that are, that are, um, you know,guiding them, uh, don't have massage
therapists and trainers and all that.
And so, um, average Americanmay have it harder than the
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pro athletes that I work with.
And so, um, Inner Excellence isreally about understanding human
behavior, how your mind works, howyour subconscious works, how fear
works, and, uh, especially, um,what the heart deeply needs and
how, and, uh, um, how to train it.
And so, um, Inner Excellence is abouttraining the heart and, and, um, I mean,
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you can think about if you're a listener.
Self-centeredness is the biggest challengethat we face in performance and in life.
And it leads to three things thatreally, um, um, become huge obstacles.
And one is over analysis.
Just way too many thoughtsfrom way too many concerns.
And then the other one is, is, uh,negative thinking or judgmental thinking,
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laying down a negative verdict on yourselfor someone else, or circumstance when
you don't have all the information.
Often in life, we, we always knowwhat we want or generally know what
we want and know what we don't want.
Um, like I always have given achoice, hot tub or poke in the
eye a hundred percent of the time.
I choose the hot tub.
I'm always going for comfort.
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That's my human nature.
But that's not, um, often it'snot the best thing for me.
May not be poke in the eye, butthe best possible life has one
foot in joy, one foot in suffering.
That's how we grow.
That's how life was created.
Uh, um, we need to break down themuscles in order to get stronger.
Hmm.
The third big obstacle thatcomes is, is this, uh, um,
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self-consciousness concern from, forwhat other people think about you.
The ego amplifies our deep need tobe fully known and fully loved, and
says, Hey, if you get this success,this symbol of success, then you're
gonna get what you really want.
And so many people, perhaps most people.
And perhaps most people that aretalented in some area get fall into
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this trap where they just obsess aboutgetting more success because it's
gonna give them that temporary positivefeeling that they, that they, uh, want
when they don't realize that they'remissing out on the whole candy store.
It's of abundance and joy,
do you think it's helpful for people tohave this definition of success to walk
around with and reframe what that means.
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I, I just don't see a whole lot ofAmericans, maybe people in the entire
world understand what we mean by success.
It's this ethereal thing,but it's what Wooden says.
It's ultimately peace of mind,and you can go full stop there.
Uh, success is peace of mind.
But do people, do you see peoplesearching for peace of mind or
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is that your work Does is helpthose people who are searching?
Anxiety is at, at epidemic levelsin America and around the world, and
especially in America, we have the,the most affluence and the most anxiety
and uh, and that's not a coincidence.
People are obsessing about temporary,superficial things because they
feel, because they, they don'thave this deeper understanding.
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They feel if I get thesetemporary, superficial things,
it's gonna gimme what I want most.
Mm-hmm.
Which is the, the quote, love that I getfrom, I, I'll be somebody, I'll be enough.
So people are constantly tryingto get more things, get enough
and, and do enough so they can beenough, but they're never enough.
It's never gonna work.
We need something deeper than,than material success and rewards.
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We need to, we need a heartthat's transformed, one that
loves and, and lives fully.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And you talked about over analysisbeing one of the things, and we, in
baseball, we often talk about paralysisby analysis, where you just can't.
You start thinking about thingsso much that you can't do
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anything or your muscle seize up.
And then it's anxiety on the ballfield or whatnot, and, the mental
thing becomes physical in many ways,so I think perhaps it's anxiety.
Overabundance of anxiety in America isperhaps also correlated with physical
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issues too, with people.
Would you agree or disagree?
Yeah.
And, uh.
In pro baseball, I work witha lot of pro baseball players.
It's a unique sport because it's,there's 162 games plus we got, uh,
preseason and postseason and it's,it's, um, you're immersed in this
culture that's obsessed with results.
It's baseball is sostatistically oriented.
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And so stats are never a present thing.
But if you wanna be great,you, you need to be present.
And yet they're immersed ina culture that's obsessed
about this past future number.
And, uh, it's really hard to be whenyou're, you're hard to be your true
self and hard to have this peaceand joy and freedom when you're in a
culture immersed in a culture that'sobsessed about the, the opposite.
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This, the, the temporary superficialthings that come and go and you
can't, don't have full control over.
Hmm.
Yeah.
And as far as baseball goes, you've had along career both in and around the game.
I'm interested in something Ithink you more or less offhandedly
mentioned in the book and thatyou talked about Olympic athletes.
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You were an Olympic coach forSouth Africa, which I didn't
even know had a baseball team.
I think I saw them play in theWorld Baseball Classic one time.
But, can you tell me about howyou got into that and how you
Yeah.
It was a, a really miraclehow God has got in my life.
I've, I've, uh.
I had so many times where I felt likea failure and uh, now I look back,
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I see it was all training for me.
I got the, I went to grad school,did my master's in coaching science.
I, I interviewed 39 major leaguebaseball managers and GMs and
college and professional coaches onhow to build a championship team.
I did all of that so I can get a jobwith the Texas Rangers because I thought
after coaching one year of high schoolbaseball in O'Dea high school, inner
city Seattle, and we didn't lose a game.
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I thought, oh, my destiny isto be a superstar majors league
manager, not a not a player.
And so I went to this path ofgetting the master's in coaching
science with this long-term planof getting a job in pro baseball.
I, I end up getting the job two weeksafter graduation and, uh, um, and then
I quit halfway through the season.
That first season, it just was not abox that I was could fit into at, at the
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time I thought I was complete failure.
Now, looking back, I was, it waslike, uh, um, they were, they were
boxing me in and, and, uh, I, I hadgot a far greater things for me to do.
. So that was, um, 1999.
You know, just what am Igonna do with my life now?
Then I get a call from Major LeagueBaseball and said, would you be interested
in coaching South Africa, being their, uh,hitting coach for their Olympic trials?
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And, uh, I said, wherewill I be, um, based?
And they said, Johannesburg,which at the time was one of the
most considered, one of the mostdangerous cities in the world, right?
So I thought, are they asking me?
'cause everyone else has turned it down.
And, uh, I'm choice number 20.
Um, but I took, I took the job and, um.
The most amazing experience of my life.
Yeah.
I'm still friends with that whole group.
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Uh, in South Africa, our bat boyGift Ngoepe was living in the
tool shed of our baseball field
Pirates!
That's right, that's right.
He lived in the tool shed of ourbaseball field with his mother and
little brother, and just the mostamazing story first, uh, African player
born, ever to play in the big leagues.
Yeah.
Gift.
I remember reading about himin Sports Illustrated or,
yeah.
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Yeah.
He is awesome.
Yeah.
Well, great.
And you've got to know Tom Trebelhorn.
I take it from reading in your book.
Yeah.
Tom Trebelhorn is
Yeah
a Portland guy, played highschool baseball for Coach Dunn.
I don't know if you knew that.
Yeah.
Played third base.
He talks about him all the time.
You talk to Coach Dunn, he saw how whata great mind for the game Treb had, and
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I think Treb was the guy who basicallytaught Ricky Henderson how to steal bases.
Treb's amazing.
He actually, I was going to PortlandState taking the baseball class that
Jack was teaching and he brought Treb into speak and, and, uh, I just remember,
oh my gosh, this is so incredible.
I mean, there's probablyonly 25 people in the class.
I was like, how do I get to hear this?
And then, um.
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He, so he coached withthe Brewers and the Cubs.
He ends up coaching, uh, um, hetakes a year and coaches independent
baseball a year that I was playing.
And I had, my eyes were betterthat year, so I had a great year.
And so I played against him.
We played them in the playoffs.
3 0 7.
Thank you.
And then, uh, um, uh.
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So Treb and I became friends.
I used to go to, uh, spring training gamesand, and I would just sit with him, uh,
during the game that he's coaching in theminor leagues and uh, um, watch the game.
And he would just be telling me,I was like, Hey, tell me about
this, or why, what about that?
And, and all these amazing things.
He's brilliant.
Baseball mind.
Yeah.
He always was like, Jim, uh, uh,you just gotta keep it simple.
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It's, it's just human nature.
You just gotta understand human behavior.
Coach Dunn, you talked to him.
He, he hit 3 0 2 in the Texas-ArizonaLeague one year, so, you know, that's his,
I love Jack.
Yeah.
Yeah,
he's awesome.
I will tell him you say hi
Yeah, please.
, Thank you.
All right, well, I thinkwe're running short on time.
Jim, it's been a pleasure.
Glad to get to know youa bit and, best of luck.
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Inner Excellence.
Train your mind for extraordinaryperformance in the best possible life.
Any last words?
Sell the, soap
thanks so much, Brian.
Yeah.
Um.
I, I think it's, there's somuch fear and anxiety in America
today and, and the need is great.
And what America needs is, is youthe listener, to be their true self,
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to, to focus on what's possibleand, and true about themselves.
And, and you don't know who you canbecome and what's possible in your life.
So, um, that's why it's so importantto continue to learn and grow.
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Thanks Jim.
Okay,
thanks.
alright, we've got Jim Murphy heretoday and Jim is the author of,
well, not a new book, but, recentlyrepublished book called Inner Excellence
Train Your Mind for ExtraordinaryPerformance in the Best Possible Life.
You've probably heard about Jim.
First thing I think I want to talkto you about is we all may have heard
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about this book, from watching the NFLplayoffs last year in the Super Bowl.
AJ Brown had your book on the sidelines.
Can you tell us a little bit about that?
And how he
Yeah, I can
got the book.
Yeah.
So AJ uh, he got the book fromhis teammate, Moro Ojomo and, uh,
Moro Ojomo just said, Hey, um, Ithink you'd really like this book.
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Take a look at it.
And so obviously he did.
Morrow got it from, uh, DJ Giaritelliat the University of Texas, Austin.
Um, he is the Athletesin Action leader there.
And so that's where Moro got it.
So I saw a picture of AJ readingthe book on, on the sideline, but I
didn't know this was like three weeksbefore January 12th was the first time
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in the Packers Wild Card game and,uh, that I didn't have any context.
And so when I found out on the 12th, thatwas, I didn't know that he was bringing
it to every game, reading it before everygame to get centered and, and reading it
after every drive to get re refocused.
There was a specific passage I thinkthat he highlighted I saw that he would
go back to after each series is that.
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Yeah, he, he, they showed, uh, um,zoomed in on, on, uh, a few of the
pages that he had highlighted most ofthe words and, and yellow highlighter.
And, well, he, I think he reallyliked the part about, uh, having
a clear mind and unburdened heart,because being a receiver in the NFL,
it's a scary proposition, right?
And so, uh, he needs to have aclear mind if he wants, because
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there's no fear when you're present.
And so I think he really used thebook to help him get, uh, present.
So yeah, I think that leads us into.
What is Inner Excellence,the title of your book?
It's a system , as far as I canunderstand, and I think, I don't know
who said it, but Systems Over Goals ispro over amateur and we're dealing with.
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It's kinda like JamesClear, uh, atomic Habits.
Yeah.
So yeah.
Inner Excellence is an in-depth systemto learn how to be fully present
in your life, fully engaged heart,mind, and body unattached to the
results of what you're trying to do.
And, uh, learning self-mastery,learning how to master the ego.
That part of your mind is alwaysthreatened to, always comparing,
never satisfied overthinking.
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Yeah.
And, in the book, we will,get that in a little bit, but.
You talk about failuresomewhere in the middle?
I have it in my notes.
I don't have the exact page.
I wish I did, but, there's no failure,only feedback and being in this,
in similar space, I just fell intoit, I guess, trying to teach people
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these skills that you talk about.
And, you know, coming from, I come froma sports background, baseball coaching,
and I want to get to that in a moment.
But, I say I've never really failed.
I've had a lot of opportunitiesfor personal growth, is what
I say is how I reframe it.
Was it, is that, appropriate?
Yeah.
Powerful.
Yeah.
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So, um, what is, what isfailure and what is success?
It's, those words are very cliche.
And, and America, the American dream isto be a huge success and not to fail.
And, uh, so it's, it's, it's definitelyan illusion because you can say
you're, you're a marathon runner andyou have your very best time ever
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personal best, but you don't win.
So you failed.
Yeah.
I mean, it's, it's a little crazy inAmerica using, just using the wrong, wrong
barometer when wins and losses are nota good way to measure anything because.
You can win and, and playterrible or lose and play great.
And so we, we need a newdefinition of, of success.
And, and, and so much isoutta your control when you're
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performing in a business and inlife and, and sports, everything.
So we really need to re redefine what's,what's, um, what we really want most in
our life and, and with Inner Excellencewe focus on, um, training the heart
to, and training it to love most.
What's most empowering because yourheart is a control center of your life.
And you have, you quote JohnWooden in here on Success.
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And I read another book and I can't, Idon't know, I think it was, um, well,
I'm not even gonna worry about it.
But they, they had a definition ofa success that was very similar and
I think it came from John Wooden.
Also, yours is more expansivethan what I had written down.
I had written down peace of mind, a directresult of the effort to become the best.
And in your book you have a more expansivequote, like I said, peace of mind, which
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is a direct result of self-satisfactionand knowing you made the effort to
become the best of which you're capable.
And those UCLA teams, likeyou mentioned in the book, uh,
he didn't even scout really.
Amen.
And he worked on fundamentals and theirteam and making sure their team was
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on top of the best thing they can do.
And then they, you get on thefloor and the game plays out.
Maybe talk a little bit more about that.
Uh, well, let, let's lookat Scottie Scheffler.
Amazing guy.
World number one golfer, amazingcaddy Teddy Scott in Louisiana.
Um, what's the greatest gift that he has?
He's super talented, right?
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It's not golf.
Um, it, it would be golf.
If golf made it, um, you know,cured cancer or saved lives or,
or taught people anything thatwas really, really meaningful.
I mean, it does, it teaches youdiscipline and, and how to focus
and, and how to, uh, sacrifice.
So there are definitelygreat things about sports.
But the greatest gift that, that, uh,Scottie Scheffler has is, is his, his
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wisdom, which I define as to know whoGod is and who you are, what God's doing
in the world, and how you can fit in.
Or another way you can say it iswisdom is, is, uh, an expansive view
of possibilities and an an obstructiveview of connections to people and
to God, and to, and to yourself.
Your, your true self.
And so, um.
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It's important to, to recognizethat western culture is obsessed
with the symbols of success.
Okay.
When it's, it's such an illusion.
'cause we can, you can spendyour whole life pursuing that and
never get what you really want.
And why do you wantthat house in the ocean?
Why do you want that, that, uh, trophyor that raise or that nicer car?
It's 'cause you want tohave great experiences.
You wanna have a better life, right.
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You can have a million followers and amillion dollars and have a terrible life.
And so Inner Excellence is aboutpursuing what's really meaningful
and true with a capital T.
Yeah.
You brought up Scottie Scheffler.
I wrote about him yesterday, I guess,about the, the grind and the consistency
of Scottie you look at that tournament,if you watch it at all or read about
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it, and it's just uh, just relentless.
I think I put it relentless consistencywas what it was, and then it became
a record setting event for him.
I wanna talk real quickly, golf, becauseyou brought it up and what success is.
This is a personal thing for me.
I played in one golftournament my entire life.
I'm an okay golfer.
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I haven't played in a long time,but played in one golf tournament.
It was a two day event.
And I think the first day, you know, Iwas like a, at the time, maybe like a
12 or 15 handicap, something like that.
So I shot a 92, the firstday, 94, something like that.
I was like, yeah, it was okay.
But I was all over the place.
The next day.
I think I, I'd read somewhere about theseVietnam, prisoners of war where they
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would just imagine playing golf in theirhead and then imagine the course, so I
had to go on a trip and come back likethree hours each way later that night.
And so I'm just likethinking the course through.
Well, I get to the 18th hole and I'mlike, holy cow, I'm gonna break 90
for maybe the first time in my life.
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And like, I'm going, maybe I can make83 or something if I hit the shot.
So I get over the ball and I do thewhole thing, like it is, I'm on it.
I hit the shot and I'm, I, I got it.
I know, I know my distance, everything.
I shank it in the water,and I'm like, holy cow.
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But then, through this whole disciplinething, I just collected myself, got
the bogey, and got out of there.
Still made a, and I end up likethinking I was stressing out.
Like I wasn't gonna finish in thetop, but it turned out that I did.
But anyway, the point is Itell people this all the time.
I didn't lose on that shank.
I did everything I was prepared to.
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It was just a bad hit or bad luck,and so I felt, you know, that was a
very successful round, even thoughI shanked it on 18, which if you
go to the pros, you know, you'd be.
Talked about as the, goat, not thegreatest of all time, but the real, the
van de Velde or whatever it might be.
But I'm like, I would've done everythingthe same and I still felt fine.
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So I think that type of success,'cause I bettered my personal,
you know, I, I beat my self.
Mm-hmm.
You know, my previous self,I guess is what I'm saying.
So I don't know if you have any
Yeah, that's great.
And how that, it's
also, uh, um, likely that, uh, part ofyour mind was thinking about the future
a little bit when you're on, on 18.
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Is that possible?
It,
a little bit, but you know, I was, I was,
I'd like to get a good score here.
I might finish with a good score.
I just got one more hole I could.
Just finished thisscore, this whole, okay.
And now it'll end up being a great day.
Yeah.
It was very, very common.
Yeah.
Well anyway, yeah.
So you work with golfers, you work withbaseball teams or baseball players.
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You're a former baseball playeryourself, and am I correct that you
went to Portland State University?
That's right.
The Vikings,
Vikings.
I grew up in Portland, Oregon.
My,
oh wow.
My mentor of probablyall mentors is Jack Dunn.
Really?
Yeah.
Jack Dunn.
That's amazing.
My coach.
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Yeah, your coach.
So, and Mike Wantland, whoyou probably know from around.
Oh my gosh.
He is probably one of my biggestadvocates in the game of baseball too.
And so,
oh my gosh.
I grew up with those guys goingtheir camps and yeah, eventually
I worked with Coach Dunn.
That's amazing.
But yeah.
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So, you went from PortlandState to the Cubs organization?
That's about five years, right.
And yeah.
Three years of the Cubs andthen two years independent.
Okay.
All right.
And so I was gonna ask how didthe, your time as a pro athlete,
help you understand this?
Or was it, did you understand itat all in college or the pros or,
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yeah.
So, uh,
and then I know you took your journeyinto the desert, you talk about,
but did you know anything about whatyou're talking about now back then?
I sure could have used it.
That definitely would'vebeen, uh, uh, nice.
I, I started studying sportspsychology probably when I was 17.
My head coach in, uh, high school inKent, Washington Larry Book said, Hey, um,
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you should read, uh, sports psychology.
Here's a book, and it's calledMental Toughness Training
for Sports by Dr. Jim Loehr.
I carried that book with mefor years and years everywhere.
And, uh, I always remember one,one thing he said was that.
The correct emotional response toa problem is 75% of the solution.
Hmm.
And so now having emotional stabilityand behavioral flexibility, being able
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to adapt to any situation, it's one ofthe five skills of Inner Excellence.
So, um, yeah.
Remind me of the question.
Oh, I was gonna say, how did yourtime as a professional athlete
in inform where you are now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So a lot of failure, um, a lotof, uh, struggle and loneliness.
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It was, it was really hard.
I had a vision problem thatreally, um, ended my career, but I
struggled with it for my, uh, almostmy entire professional career.
I didn't know that.
And one of the biggest, um,loneliest things for me are we,
you know, we're created for love.
I shouldn't say, you know, butthat's our, our, our number
one need is unconditional love.
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And our greatest desire is tobe fully known and fully loved.
And so when I signed with the Cubs,you know, everyone's rooting for
me in Portland and Seattle and Ifelt like I let everybody down.
And, um, also, I didn't really understandwhy I was not performing well and.
I was like, man, I just feel so badabout all these relationships that
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I had that were rooting for me.
And I didn't know that I had a, a seriousvision problem, um, for my, especially
the first three years of pro baseball.
Um, but now looking back, itwas just amazing, you know, what
God did and teaching me, uh, howto handle, uh, um, adversity.
You know, one of the biggest thingswe need to learn is how to handle
fear and anxiety and adversity.
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Yeah.
So this vision problem, did you know?
You say you didn't know, butdo you, did you see signs of it
maybe in high school, college,
the hardest thing was
or did
not at all?
The game?
Um, I think it started in pro baseball.
Oh, it did?
Okay.
The, and because I think it was amental thing from, and my subconscious
mind, um, my dad was, did notwant me to become rich and famous.
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Um, kind of ironic howthings have turned out.
Um.
The, uh, he thought it wouldbe bad for my character.
And so being a pro athlete was not, um,something that he really wanted for me.
And so, um, I think there wasa bit of a mental block there
because when I turned pro, that'swhen my vision kind of went south.
Yeah.
And the hard thing, there's many hardthings to it, but one thing was my, my
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eye chart vision was better than 20/20,so I didn't know that I had a problem.
It's just what I, so what happenedwas I was struggling in school at the
University of Washington and I rememberhaving headaches when I would read and
buying a can of Coke to read, uh, with,and then I finally went to the eye
doctor for some reason, and she checkedmy dynamic visual acuity and, and which
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is the ability for your muscles towork together to track moving objects,
which is very helpful in baseball.
Pretty, yeah.
Pretty good skill to have in.
And so she checks itand she says, oh, okay.
I see the problem here.
And, uh, um, she said, by theway, what kind of work do you do?
I said, I'm a professionalbaseball player.
And she said, how did you hit the ball?
I was like, well, it's been hard.
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And she was like, whoa.
Yeah.
I can't believe you'd be ableto hit the ball without that.
So that was an issue that, that Istruggled with, um, my whole career.
Yeah.
So you, but you overcameyou work through this thing.
It's just like an almost an intractableproblem there, physically, perhaps.
So as far as mentality goes, whatwould you say the uh, for, for pro
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golfers, or pro athletes, what wouldyou say the most common mental blocks
that you see even in high performance?
You, mentioned Scottie Scheffler.
He has down days.
He doesn't win every single tournament.
I mean, he won seven times last year,I think, but first time this year.
And how do you help guyslike this Stenson and
there's, well,
Overcome it?
there's, there's twomental blocks that I see.
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One is, is not being able tolet go of your past to become
someone you've never been before.
The other one is, is, uh, um, mentalblock over some simple skill that you've,
you've always been able to do, but, butthen, uh, um, becomes this mental thing.
Mm-hmm.
And so if we talk about thesecond one first, um, so in
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golf, they call it the yips.
And, um, and in the book I mentioned that.
An NFL kicker kickers is generallynot gonna have a mental block
on a 55 yard field goal becausethe expectations are low.
The mental blocks are on thePATs, the easy things, right?
A golfer generally is not gonna havea mental block on a 40 foot putt.
They may have it on afour foot putt because the
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expectations get in their mind.
And the fear of failure,fear of being embarrassed.
And so what we wanna do is, is askyourself, am I willing to be embarrassed?
Am I willing to fail?
Am I willing to look foolishin order to master my ego?
Do I, do I just want to, uh,be successful in this moment?
Or do I wanna master my ego?
And the ego will say, oh, you justgotta be successful in this moment.
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So it's that challenge,
right?
So , I talk about sports a lot andrelate, you know, life to sports, and I
mean, you do too, in your book, but how.
Uh, so the book really is not asports book, but it has a lot of
examples from the sports world.
How do you say, all right, we're gonnatake these lessons, and this is life.
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This is what you're talking about islife, and you know, to be a better
sportsman, better athlete, whatever.
You can use some of theseskills, but we, I guess.
When we talk about, you talked aboutsuccess earlier, we see these bright,
shiny objects in the form of successas championships, Super Bowl wins,
Masters jackets, all that stuff.
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How does this work for me or my people whodon't do sports, they're just living life.
Yeah.
So, so Inner Excellence was developedover five years of, of 50 to 60
hours a week for five years straight.
Um, researching and writing about.
How to be mentally tough in themost, in the toughest pressure
situations in the world.
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And so I focused on professional andOlympic athletes, but really, um,
there's a lot of Americans that have alot more pressure than a pro athlete.
I mean, people working two jobs, there'sno off season don't have coaches like
me that are, that are, um, you know,guiding them, uh, don't have massage
therapists and trainers and all that.
And so, um, average Americanmay have it harder than the
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pro athletes that I work with.
And so, um, Inner Excellence isreally about understanding human
behavior, how your mind works, howyour subconscious works, how fear
works, and, uh, especially, um,what the heart deeply needs and
how, and, uh, um, how to train it.
And so, um, Inner Excellence is abouttraining the heart and, and, um, I mean,
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you can think about if you're a listener.
Self-centeredness is the biggest challengethat we face in performance and in life.
And it leads to three things thatreally, um, um, become huge obstacles.
And one is over analysis.
Just way too many thoughtsfrom way too many concerns.
And then the other one is, is, uh,negative thinking or judgmental thinking,
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laying down a negative verdict on yourselfor someone else, or circumstance when
you don't have all the information.
Often in life, we, we always knowwhat we want or generally know what
we want and know what we don't want.
Um, like I always have given achoice, hot tub or poke in the
eye a hundred percent of the time.
I choose the hot tub.
I'm always going for comfort.
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That's my human nature.
But that's not, um, often it'snot the best thing for me.
May not be poke in the eye, butthe best possible life has one
foot in joy, one foot in suffering.
That's how we grow.
That's how life was created.
Uh, um, we need to break down themuscles in order to get stronger.
Hmm.
The third big obstacle thatcomes is, is this, uh, um,
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self-consciousness concern from, forwhat other people think about you.
The ego amplifies our deep need tobe fully known and fully loved, and
says, Hey, if you get this success,this symbol of success, then you're
gonna get what you really want.
And so many people, perhaps most people.
And perhaps most people that aretalented in some area get fall into
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this trap where they just obsess aboutgetting more success because it's
gonna give them that temporary positivefeeling that they, that they, uh, want
when they don't realize that they'remissing out on the whole candy store.
It's of abundance and joy,
do you think it's helpful for people tohave this definition of success to walk
around with and reframe what that means.
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I, I just don't see a whole lot ofAmericans, maybe people in the entire
world understand what we mean by success.
It's this ethereal thing,but it's what Wooden says.
It's ultimately peace of mind,and you can go full stop there.
Uh, success is peace of mind.
But do people, do you see peoplesearching for peace of mind or
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is that your work Does is helpthose people who are searching?
Anxiety is at, at epidemic levelsin America and around the world, and
especially in America, we have the,the most affluence and the most anxiety
and uh, and that's not a coincidence.
People are obsessing about temporary,superficial things because they
feel, because they, they don'thave this deeper understanding.
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They feel if I get thesetemporary, superficial things,
it's gonna gimme what I want most.
Mm-hmm.
Which is the, the quote, love that I getfrom, I, I'll be somebody, I'll be enough.
So people are constantly tryingto get more things, get enough
and, and do enough so they can beenough, but they're never enough.
It's never gonna work.
We need something deeper than,than material success and rewards.
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We need to, we need a heartthat's transformed, one that
loves and, and lives fully.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And you talked about over analysisbeing one of the things, and we, in
baseball, we often talk about paralysisby analysis, where you just can't.
You start thinking about thingsso much that you can't do
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anything or your muscle seize up.
And then it's anxiety on the ballfield or whatnot, and, the mental
thing becomes physical in many ways,so I think perhaps it's anxiety.
Overabundance of anxiety in America isperhaps also correlated with physical
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issues too, with people.
Would you agree or disagree?
Yeah.
And, uh.
In pro baseball, I work witha lot of pro baseball players.
It's a unique sport because it's,there's 162 games plus we got, uh,
preseason and postseason and it's,it's, um, you're immersed in this
culture that's obsessed with results.
It's baseball is sostatistically oriented.
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And so stats are never a present thing.
But if you wanna be great,you, you need to be present.
And yet they're immersed ina culture that's obsessed
about this past future number.
And, uh, it's really hard to be whenyou're, you're hard to be your true
self and hard to have this peaceand joy and freedom when you're in a
culture immersed in a culture that'sobsessed about the, the opposite.
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This, the, the temporary superficialthings that come and go and you
can't, don't have full control over.
Hmm.
Yeah.
And as far as baseball goes, you've had along career both in and around the game.
I'm interested in something Ithink you more or less offhandedly
mentioned in the book and thatyou talked about Olympic athletes.
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You were an Olympic coach forSouth Africa, which I didn't
even know had a baseball team.
I think I saw them play in theWorld Baseball Classic one time.
But, can you tell me about howyou got into that and how you
Yeah.
It was a, a really miraclehow God has got in my life.
I've, I've, uh.
I had so many times where I felt likea failure and uh, now I look back,
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I see it was all training for me.
I got the, I went to grad school,did my master's in coaching science.
I, I interviewed 39 major leaguebaseball managers and GMs and
college and professional coaches onhow to build a championship team.
I did all of that so I can get a jobwith the Texas Rangers because I thought
after coaching one year of high schoolbaseball in O'Dea high school, inner
city Seattle, and we didn't lose a game.
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I thought, oh, my destiny isto be a superstar majors league
manager, not a not a player.
And so I went to this path ofgetting the master's in coaching
science with this long-term planof getting a job in pro baseball.
I, I end up getting the job two weeksafter graduation and, uh, um, and then
I quit halfway through the season.
That first season, it just was not abox that I was could fit into at, at the
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time I thought I was complete failure.
Now, looking back, I was, it waslike, uh, um, they were, they were
boxing me in and, and, uh, I, I hadgot a far greater things for me to do.
. So that was, um, 1999.
You know, just what am Igonna do with my life now?
Then I get a call from Major LeagueBaseball and said, would you be interested
in coaching South Africa, being their, uh,hitting coach for their Olympic trials?
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And, uh, I said, wherewill I be, um, based?
And they said, Johannesburg,which at the time was one of the
most considered, one of the mostdangerous cities in the world, right?
So I thought, are they asking me?
'cause everyone else has turned it down.
And, uh, I'm choice number 20.
Um, but I took, I took the job and, um.
The most amazing experience of my life.
Yeah.
I'm still friends with that whole group.
(24:52):
Uh, in South Africa, our bat boyGift Ngoepe was living in the
tool shed of our baseball field
Pirates!
That's right, that's right.
He lived in the tool shed of ourbaseball field with his mother and
little brother, and just the mostamazing story first, uh, African player
born, ever to play in the big leagues.
Yeah.
Gift.
I remember reading about himin Sports Illustrated or,
yeah.
(25:13):
Yeah.
He is awesome.
Yeah.
Well, great.
And you've got to know Tom Trebelhorn.
I take it from reading in your book.
Yeah.
Tom Trebelhorn is
Yeah
a Portland guy, played highschool baseball for Coach Dunn.
I don't know if you knew that.
Yeah.
Played third base.
He talks about him all the time.
You talk to Coach Dunn, he saw how whata great mind for the game Treb had, and
(25:33):
I think Treb was the guy who basicallytaught Ricky Henderson how to steal bases.
Treb's amazing.
He actually, I was going to PortlandState taking the baseball class that
Jack was teaching and he brought Treb into speak and, and, uh, I just remember,
oh my gosh, this is so incredible.
I mean, there's probablyonly 25 people in the class.
I was like, how do I get to hear this?
And then, um.
(25:54):
He, so he coached withthe Brewers and the Cubs.
He ends up coaching, uh, um, hetakes a year and coaches independent
baseball a year that I was playing.
And I had, my eyes were betterthat year, so I had a great year.
And so I played against him.
We played them in the playoffs.
3 0 7.
Thank you.
And then, uh, um, uh.
(26:15):
So Treb and I became friends.
I used to go to, uh, spring training gamesand, and I would just sit with him, uh,
during the game that he's coaching in theminor leagues and uh, um, watch the game.
And he would just be telling me,I was like, Hey, tell me about
this, or why, what about that?
And, and all these amazing things.
He's brilliant.
Baseball mind.
Yeah.
He always was like, Jim, uh, uh,you just gotta keep it simple.
(26:35):
It's, it's just human nature.
You just gotta understand human behavior.
Coach Dunn, you talked to him.
He, he hit 3 0 2 in the Texas-ArizonaLeague one year, so, you know, that's his,
I love Jack.
Yeah.
Yeah,
he's awesome.
I will tell him you say hi
Yeah, please.
, Thank you.
All right, well, I thinkwe're running short on time.
Jim, it's been a pleasure.
Glad to get to know youa bit and, best of luck.
(26:57):
Inner Excellence.
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Any last words?
Sell the, soap
thanks so much, Brian.
Yeah.
Um.
I, I think it's, there's somuch fear and anxiety in America
today and, and the need is great.
And what America needs is, is youthe listener, to be their true self,
(27:18):
to, to focus on what's possibleand, and true about themselves.
And, and you don't know who you canbecome and what's possible in your life.
So, um, that's why it's so importantto continue to learn and grow.
Um, I'm excited to, uh.
Uh, be here and, and hopefullymeet all the listeners.
Um, you can follow me on, uh, atInner Excellence.com, the newsletter.
(27:38):
Sign up for the VIP newsletter or uh, um,follow me on Instagram Inner Excellence,
Jim Murphy or other social media.
Yeah, I did all that this week'cause I saw that call to action.
So you gotta do the call to action
awesome
book and on the website.
Thanks Jim.
Okay,
thanks.
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