November 28, 2024 • 35 mins
In this episode, I sit down with my client, Summer, who shares her powerful journey of transformation through coaching. A first-generation Chinese Australian and corporate professional, Summer reveals how coaching helped her navigate burnout, negotiate a promotion, and step into entrepreneurship.
We explore:
- The impact of cultural expectations on first-gen women of color in business.
- How coaching differs from therapy in tackling career and business challenges.
- Overcoming self-doubt and taking bold steps in business.
- Practical strategies for salary negotiation, real estate investments, and building a heart-led business.
Whether you're navigating a corporate career or launching a business, Summer’s insights will inspire you to take the leap and bet on yourself.
Summer's contact info:
Email: summer.cwd@gmail.com
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(00:09):
Welcome
Hey, I'm Sukhi Kaur, your host and fellow
cycle breaker. I'm here to help first
generation women of color grow their
business that's been on their heart by
breaking free from limiting cultural
expectations and navigating self-doubt.
Together, we'll cultivate self-trust,
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explore how to step into your full
potential, and create success on your
terms. Let's break those much
needed cycles and build an impactdriven
life you've been dreaming of right here
in community.
welcome back to the Cycle Breaker
podcast. I'm your host, Suki Kaur, and
I'm so thrilled. To have my former
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client and my client that's actually
signing on again to work with me. Her
name is Summer
and it it's gonna be so valuable for you
to hear this episode because it's first
hand from someone that's been through the
process of finding a coach,
going through the uncertainty of finding
a coach and working on things
career, career related, business
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related, making strides and then taking a
break and coming back and like. Ready to
work on coach, working on coaching
together for like the next chapter of
growth. So in this episode we'll go
through how she went about finding a
coach and pretty much like questions that
I tend to get in my consultation. So I
hopefully this is so helpful. So Summer,
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I'll let you introduce yourself and thank
you for being on the podcast. I think
this is going to be so helpful. No, all
good. It's my pleasure. Hi everyone. My
name is Summer and I'm from Sydney,
Australia. I'm a first generation Chinese
Australian and have been I guess working
in the corporate world for the past nine
years. Right now I am in an
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exciting transitional phase as I
will be leaving my current job next month
to start on I guess a period of
exploration and self-discovery
and that's. How I reach out to Sufi
again for another, you know,
another three months of coaching. Yeah,
we worked together. What was it
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mid-year last year?We worked together for
six months and then we took a break like
you applied what you learned and the
skills and all that. And then now we're
going to coach again, which I'm super
excited about. So I'm glad that you
reached out. So tell me a little bit
somewhere about like, you know, when you
initially reached out for coaching last
year. Like what you drew you to it?
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What were you hoping that coaching can
help you with?Like how did you go about
finding it and all that?Yeah,
absolutely. To be honest, I
think the initially I I
had a really difficult period at work
and that was not at my current job. It
was my at my last job. It was extremely
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stressful and demanding
and it it was in a investment bank.
Where I dreamt since I was in
high school to get into. And finally when
I got into that career, initially I was
so excited and happy. But over the,
I guess the two years I really did burn
out and real started to realize I
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don't know if this is really for me, at
least for the long term. And that's when
I start to feel really lost and
just not sure what I should be doing with
my life. And initially
I went through actually therapy.
I actually went to therapy first.
Some of them were helpful, but what I
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noticed is that a lot of them tend to
spend a lot of time to try to dig out,
I guess what's the origin of the problems
were, rather than focusing on how
exactly I can resolve the the
these issues from now. And
that's kind of what led me to explore
coaching, because what I
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heard about coaching, obviously I
understand everyone has different styles,
but through coaching, while they
try to explore, you know, what the
problem was, but they mainly focus on,
you know, how to go from now to the
future that you do want to build.
And that's led me to really try and
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coaching out. Yeah, I really resonate
that because I also had gone through
therapy and when I found and
although I found it very helpful and I
think if somebody doesn't know where to
start, just start in therapy because you
don't know what type of support you need.
But I really like that it wasn't just
about pass. And with the mindset
coaching, it's more so like, OK, this
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happens. What are you making it mean?How
do?And it's not so much about changing
your thoughts automatically, but it's
more so like. OK, like what skill can we
learn now to move forward in the way that
we want?And like that makes such a big
difference rather than feeling like, OK,
I have to go back and do like
years of digging and like sometimes at
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work, like you said, if you're burnt out,
you don't have that extra like
energy or like just that focus like
it can't. It almost feels like more work
is added on so. Yeah, 100%, 100%.
And I do think therapy has its place. I
think just for me, I
definitely think coaching was more
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helpful. I do think, you know, like
for people who have more, you know, like
mental illness, then yeah, definitely go
therapy. I think these two roles that,
yeah, they have different roles and they
serve different purposes and finding
what's right. And and for me, I feel like
coaching really did help me a lot.
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Yeah. And I guess like, you know, finding
what right is like so important for the
person. So it's not just that every first
Gen. should just go to coaching and not
therapy or the vice versa. So I know
that in one of our in our consultation
when we first started, you had mentioned
like, you know, you're interviewing other
different coaches and you're trying to
figure out what would be the best fit.
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Could you tell me a little bit about like
what you were looking for in a coach?
Cause I know you mentioned. You
know, you like that I was first
generation Indian, even though I'm from
America, you're from Australia. It's
still the same first Gen. like similar
experiences that we can relate to. And
you mentioned like, you know, I don't,
it's helpful to not have to over
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explain like where I'm coming from and
like have somebody resonate. So tell me a
little bit about like, you know, for the
listener that might be wondering if this
is how going to be helpful like.
What were you looking for?How did you go
about doing it?Cause I liked your process
of, you know, you didn't just talk, speak
to me. You had, you meant you told me you
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were like, I have different interviews,
consultation set up with like different
coaches. So yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
right, 100%.
So I did have, I guess, very strong
preferences. So my preferences for me
personally were I I prefer a a
woman. I prefer
someone, yeah, ideally a
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first generation
and a woman of colour ideally
and and and typically maybe they would
have some corporate experience
and. And have a
niche of helping kind of
high achievers or corporate workers
has to break cycles, literally the
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the name of the podcast. And the reason
of that is I do
understand there's a lot of kind of
cultural nuances that
that is very difficult to
communicate within you know a a
session or two because that's literally
what we. The
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environment we brought up in
and you know, the nuances that our
parents or our
environment inserted into our
brain since we were little.
So for example, myself as a
Chinese and and parents being, you know,
typical Asian parents, they have very
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high expectations. You know,
I feel like that's. Not something
every everyone would understand
or our obedience towards our
parents. You know, the the sense of
having big families and and the
lack of individualism. I think all those
little things, you know, like
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it's it's so much easier to talk to you,
Suki, because I understand we share a lot
of those experiences, even though you're
Indian, I'm Chinese, but I still feel
like we share a lot of that. And
that's kind of like what I was looking
for. And as opposed to a
process, yeah, that's just how I normally
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function. I did reach out to maybe five
or six coaches that I was interested
in. And to be honest, most of
them ticked all my boxes, you know, just
on the paper, women or, you know, have
corporate experience and first
Gen. that kind of stuff.
But I just really want to find
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someone, you know, I can connect with
quite quickly who understood me
and the conversation would need to be,
you know, relatively smooth and I can,
you know, trust this person. I think
that's quite important for me to open up.
I gotta, you know, trust them. Yeah,
yeah, for sure. So where did you, you
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know, when you were interviewing and then
trying to figure out, did you have. Any
hesitations to
starting coaching?Because I know, I don't
know if all the other coaches had six
month programs, but you know, for me, I'm
like 6 months every week we show up.
Did you have any hesitation as far as
starting or like signing up and like why
now would be like the reason why you
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start and all that stuff?Yeah, sure. To
be honest, I do. I I do think
for example, a six month.
Commitment. It is, you know, a quite a
bit of a long commitment.
And for me, to be honest, the reason I
really was committed in starting
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something new was that I
was. Extremely burned out and extremely
lost. And I
was eager to, you know, try something new
and I knew therapy helps a little bit
and and I knew coaching could be
something really, really helpful. And I
feel like it's just really the pain
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and gain ratio reach a certain
point. I feel like it was. Relatively
natural for me to go down this path.
So that's that's for me. And
secondly, I think I remember back
then I remembered the monetary
or, you know, the price of this,
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you know, that was something I was
hesitating about to be completely
transparent. Yeah. But
when I thought about what I could gain
out of this, like I was just literally
doing this mental math. Cause I remember
that our our first council, I was trying
to negotiate my salary. So I was
literally be like, OK, this is the salary
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I want to get you. And if I do reach that
number, then you know this council fee.
Yeah, I feel like the, you know,
return on investment per se, even just on
the dollar amount was like tenfold
easily. And that was kind of
like what also got me over the hurdle
of, you know
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Paying a certain amount of money to
receive the service 'cause I believe that
I would gain so much by
paying this amount. And to be honest, as
a finance person, if you tell me, hey,
yeah, you like you know $100, but
tomorrow you get $1000, right?Like I will
100% do that like every time. So
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and in the end
when I have like. Mapped out
everything and you know, the
possibilities in life. And I really do
truly believe I can achieve so much more,
but I'm just kind of like stuck in a
certain phase. I think that was an
investment on myself and I would love
absolutely do that. And that's
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how I got myself over the hurdle. Yeah, I
think that's so interesting because I
think. The financial investment is
something that, you know, sometimes we're
like, oh, that's a lot, but then it
depends on what you're weighing it
against, right. Because I know you
mentioned like then you're like, OK. And
I love the way you thought about it
because you know, you're like I am in
finance, I do investments. I you always
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will think of the return on the
investment and what term would it be like
of course when we do like. You know,
investments in the stock market, you
don't expect it immediately. So six
months was something that you weed with
like what you're hoping to achieve. So I
guess like if you're comfortable sharing,
like what were some of the goals that you
came in with and that you wanted to work
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on?Like what are the, what are a few
things that you're comfortable sharing
that we worked on and achieved and was
there anything that like surprised you?
Yeah, sure. So I think the time
when I got in contact with you,
I was just not 100% satisfied at
my work. Obviously there there are a
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couple of things specifically I was
trying to work on one. The first one was
I was trying to negotiate a high salary
and in the end I did get get a promotion
and salary and that was a number I was
aiming for. So that was fantastic. It was
really, really helpful. And two,
I think that was around the time I
realised, you know, I don't
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really want to work nine to five for the
rest of my life. I want to explore some
other possibilities.
So I had quite a number of ideas. I
wanted to explore, but I just feel
like there were so many mental blocks
that even though I have some
ideas, but I don't know if that was
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like fear or just like worry.
And I I couldn't really start
many of them or the fact that I had
such. A fear for
failure that I would start something
and get so scared and just like do it at
a very small scale rather than, you
know, kind of like really making
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it bigger because I didn't want to be
seen and to fail. Yes. So. So
that was another hurdle that I was trying
to work on. And
there are two things I remember
specifically. One was.
I was trying to buy a
investment property and because there was
so much, obviously it is a very big
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decision involves involves a lot of
money as well. You know, like I'm
very money specific person.
So I find it that extremely scary to even
take the first step. Even though I have
done tons of research, I believe I've
done like you know. More, more
research than most of the people on the
market, but I just find it extremely
difficult for me to press the button and
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go ahead. So the coaching sessions
really did help me to get over that
hurdle. And I end
up buying a property in
August this year. So I'm extremely proud
of that. Yeah, I am as
well. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah,
absolutely. Yeah, I'm so
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stoked about that. Seriously. Like,
it was extremely difficult
before I did that. But once I did
that, I'm like, yeah,
wow, it wasn't actually that hard.
You know, like, I feel like it
would actually open doors for me
for a lot of other things down the track
as well. Yeah, just really helped me
gain my confidence in making decisions.
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Yeah. And I think it was interesting
because the way that I thought about
it, like when I do a consult, I
was like. OK. What are things that are
important to you? What do you want to
work on? You were like, oh, my
financial freedom, I want to set
myself up. And I think the first thing
that you mentioned was like the salary
negotiation and the promotion. And so I
was like, OK, this is like top of
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mind. So we have to work on that first.
And we did. And I think like once we did
that, then it was that open door for
all the other ideas like for your,
you know, real estate investment and
like. Any business opportunities that you
wanted to start. So I think it was
interesting to be like, OK, the
thing that was seemed like such a big
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hurdle about the negotiation for the
salary and the promotion. Once that was
done, there was this free space and
it and this happens not just with
you, but myself, everyone that I
work with. It's almost like that free
space that we want and we're
looking forward to. It almost is like
this crisis in a way because it's like.
Not as fun. It's it is exciting
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because we're done with that part. But
then it's almost like, oh, we
have this free space now what do we do?
And it's like open to options. And I
think it's interesting where we have
options. It's like scary because it's
like now our brains know that we have to
grow and we have to do different things.
And like the things that you
mentioned, like being seen and like
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doing things that are like taking actions
at bigger scales and like all that stuff.
So it's interesting that like.
When we want like the things that we
think are like so big, once we do
them, it's like opens up
opportunities, but we need to have
that space and like find some play
in it and like start doing that slowly.
And I think that's where I think coaching
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helps where it's like, oh, it's
not just about the tasks that you get
done. Is more so like the
skill that you can kind of like use for
other stuff. Cause I think you're a real
estate property. You bought that after we
finished coaching for six months and for
a few months we haven't been coaching for
most of the year we haven't been
coaching. So yeah, yeah,
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absolutely. I feel like what's coaching
really helps me is it helps me
shifts my perspectives at a lot of
times and that's really
stuck with me. And I remember that's one
thing I might have mentioned to you
before is that, well, I call
it collecting data points. And
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then how I normally use it is if I am in
a situation, let's say a work
situation and something really terrible
happened. And normally I would just
kind of like complain about a situation
like why this person is like that,
this is unfair, whatnot.
And now I would just tell myself, you
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know what, like they can behave
however they want to. And like,
that's fine. And this is just data point
that I'm collecting. And once I've
collected enough data points, I will
make my decision. And that decision,
that's mine. And I always have the choice
to, you know, either stay or
leave or do whatever I want. Yeah. And
that decision is mine, that power is
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mine. Yeah, I think we use that
reference to the data point, data
collection often because for someone that
does a lot of desk research and all the
the background work before making that
kind of decision, it's just
interesting that in one way when we're
we're intentional, we make, we do
all the research and you know, put
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the plan together and think about pros
and cons. But then sometimes our brains
are like, oh, this is the truth.
And then not until we talk it out,
we're like, OK, what was the
actual like what what actually
happened versus how are we thinking about
it? Like I always call it like what's the
story and what's like the actual
circumstance, like the data
actually, if we were just like
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objectively collecting data of what
actually happened, then it's like.
It's like a different story basically.
You know what I mean? Yeah, 100%. I
think we like, yeah, I love that
you said that cause we we did that a lot
in our sessions of like, OK,
let's just take a step back because our
emotions do like impact us so much
and they they drive what we do. So
sometimes taking a step back and being
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like having that skill to be like,
OK, wait, if I were just to step
back and see what actually happened and
collect the data and then my story,
then I can kind of sort out what's the
next step, so. I really love that you
mentioned that. So yeah, yeah,
yeah, I'm still using that. And I
realized that can be used in many
different scenarios. Yeah. So for
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example, if now I want to try
something new, let's say in my kind
of like a business that I'm trying to
build, I didn't, you know,
like I have this fear that, well,
obviously I'm going to fail and
therefore I wouldn't want to make it so
big, but. What I'm telling
myself is, OK, well, I'm just
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gonna do it. And if the market doesn't
react well to it, then that's another
data point I'm collecting, you know?
So and that's fine. And if
and you know, if it didn't have a lot
of attraction, then not many people
will see it anyways. So yeah,
so I think that's that's been helpful to
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me, you know, a lot of my other
areas as well. Yeah. Yeah. So when you
say like, for example, like. I
wouldn't want to make it so big because
I'm scared to. What does that? What would
that be? Because I know that at the end
of our sessions, was it in
January, you had started your
platform, your social media platform
for your business and like creating
groups and getting people and potential
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clients and all that. It's like, what
was it that like that scale? Like how was
that?If you remember or yeah,
yeah, definitely. So I have,
yeah, for the context, I do have
this, a social media account in a
Chinese social media platform and I have
about 30,000 followers now and I talk
about work and it was
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struggles at work and and personal life
and personal development, that kind
of stuff. And I have been
on and off coaching a few people
if they want to get offers in the
corporate finance. field or negotiate a
salary if they again are also in the
corporate finance field. So that's kind
of like the background of it. And earlier
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this year I wanted to ramp up the,
I guess, you know, quote unquote
operations a little bit and want to
do, you know, a group coaching
session. And
I I definitely find that extremely
challenging because, you know,
one, I've never done a group coaching
before and two,
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You know, I just feel like if I need
to get more people in, that means I
have to, you know, do the
marketing and advertising and talking to
more people. And to me at that time,
I just feel like, oh wow, the
the, the mass exposure on myself
will magnify my failure if
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it does happen. So yeah, that
was an idea I dwell on for weeks and
weeks, yeah. Yeah, I I and I
I asked you that not because it's just
you, but I think so many people
struggle with that of like, oh,
if I give it my all and I have these big
goals and I try to show up and then it
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then there's a there's a bigger issue.
It's almost like it's a bigger issue to
do it and try to scale and get as many
followers and market, like market
yourself and then not get
people respond versus just not doing it
and having it as an idea and as like.
Something on your calendar and as your
goals like our pretty lists that we make
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and all that stuff that's scheduling out.
So thanks for sharing that and I think
that's amazing that you have 30,000
followers because I know that
you know like I remember about cause I
know this was in like December,
January where we're talking about this
like you had created some type of
marketing post and then you got
like people already responding. So then
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it's not really like to scale, right?
It doesn't mean if you need more
people, it doesn't mean you actually
have to necessarily share more, do
more. Sometimes it just is more people
than we expect. So I think even that
like it's like accepting and being
like, OK, like accepting of that
of like, oh, this is actually
enough that I don't need to be like,
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I don't know, like hiring an agency
to help me with like ads or something
could just be simple. Yeah, 100%.
And I think now looking back, I feel
like the specific fear of, you
know, even posting the ads was
because I was thinking I don't want
to, well, I didn't want to
receive any rejections and that was
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the main thing I was scared of.
But if we just use the data points
thing, you know, point again,
is that, oh, well, like if I
get a rejection, then that's a data
point, right? Like I can ask them why
they're not interested or what's
lacking, you know, like it can be
a good thing, but you know, our
mind comes to spiral
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unless, you know, we kind of have
like a sounding board. Well, that
time with you, Suki, that helps
me kind of like really. combed through
the the different thoughts and and
realize, you know what, like
there's there's no one else in the
room, it's just myself. Right. And
then like, I think even like thinking
about it as a rejection, right? Like
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sometimes those are the best because you
do get feedback. And then in other
times, I think it's not
really so, like it's a social
media platform, right? Like if we
don't get as many responses as we
think, then we think, oh,
people don't don't want to do it.
But we don't know who's seen it,
unless we look at the actual
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insights, right? The data
analytic, and we don't know who's
seen it, we don't know who's opened
it, who's actually read it or
understand it, or who knows where
they are in their journey. They might be
too burnt out to even talk to someone
about it. It's very
nice to be able to have that skill to
look back and be like, okay,
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wait, I know I'm trying to do this
business as just a first step. This is
valuable and like this is something that
like a small hurdle. So I guess like for
someone that is in that place where
you know they're in a career where it's
traditionally accepted more like as a
first Gen. but they have something that's
like important to them that's like
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heart-led that they want to like start.
What would you advise in that case having
just more recently started and like
continuing to start and like even you
know. We worked together for six months.
We took a break for 10 months. We're
going to start another three months of
coaching. Like, what would you
like, you know, want to share as
someone that's in that place?
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Yeah, absolutely. I think what that
initial six months really helps me
understand that I have all the
answers within me and a lot of the
times. We're just too
occupied with our worries and
anxiety. And I feel
like for me that time with you,
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Zuki, you really helped me kind of
helped me regain that,
regain that power within
myself
and really kind of like learn to
understand myself a bit more.
So in a way, I feel like, you
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know, like I trust most of the people
out there, if you're listening,
that you do have that power within
yourself as well. And maybe sometimes you
just need a little bit of help and a
little bit of a, you know, push
and that's fine. And you know,
as first gen woman of color, I
do understand a lot of the struggles.
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Might be coming from, you know,
the societal expectation or our, you
know, our upbringing and that's
fine. Please do remember there are so
many of us out there and we are,
you know, kind of like having sharing
the similar struggles. And
if you do need help, yeah,
yeah, try coaching, try
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therapy, and try many other ways that
might be of help to you.
But yeah, I'm personally, I'm
really thankful for Suki. And that's the
reason I reached out again, because I
know the next phase of my life
would be exciting, but also maybe
somewhat challenging. And I do want,
you know, just a little bit more
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support along the way. Yeah. And thanks
for sharing that because I think
sometimes reaching out for
support or looking for support, it's
almost like we have that story again,
right? Like as first Gen. just should
just know what to do. And I think at
at times, at least in my
experience, when I say I don't
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know, it's almost like something that
I should hide and like not something
that's that's easily owned like something
I'm like, oh, so I'm not an
expert in this thing that I want to do.
So I think like you said, it's you
have the answers within you, you may
just need support and there's nothing
wrong with like looking for support and
each person may just need different type
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of support. It could be therapy, it
could be coaching, it could be like
simply searching online with for
whatever you're looking for and seeing
there are solutions out there and it can
be simple as like even using a I for any
questions or fig figuring out what
resources might help. So I really like
that you said that you know. It's like
the answers are within you and it's not
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just so if you're listening and you're
like, well, I'm in this island by
myself trying to figure out how to
navigate this stuff. It's there's so many
of us going through it and like
figuring it out and like getting
support, doing the things scared.
Finding out what what you know, what
words and what things resonate with us
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most. Like, you know, for
you, it's like the data point thing.
It really resonates. You're like,
wait, let me just figure out. I do my
desk research. Let me just see what to
do, right? Like it could be as simple
as that. I love that you said that
because there's so much just. I
think at times culturally there's taboo
to say you don't know or to start over
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or to not just look at the expert as an
expert starting off. So I really,
I appreciate you sharing that because I
think it's a reminder for all of us,
no matter how long we've been doing it of
like it could just be within you. You
just need to might just need a little
helping hand. So yeah, yeah,
absolutely. Thanks. Yeah, yeah. And
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so are there. So you know, with your
business, is there something that you
want to share? Like how can people find
you? And I know that we touched on it
lightly, but like. If you want to
share a little bit about who you
help, what you do and like where
people can find you, that would be
great. Yeah, absolutely. So
as I mentioned, I have worked I guess
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in corporate for over nine years right
now. So my, I guess work experience
main mainly aligned in, you
know, big four accounting firms and I
do deals and transactions and then that
led me to end up in a investment
bank. And now I came out of
IB and now works in a start-up, but
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also in the deal space. So for
my business, I specifically help
people who want to get into corporate
finance. And if you want to reach out and
if you happen to be able to read
Chinese, then you can find me on the
Chinese social media, which I'llleave
well in the short notes. Otherwise you
(32:09):
can also send me an e-mail in my e-mail
address. I'll also provide that in the
show notes. Yeah, I can add that in
the show notes so people know how to
reach out to you because I think you know
corporate fund that it's like it's very
specific type of things that you deal
with and you know you help with
negotiation and like just some of the
mindset stuff that you have worked on. So
(32:30):
I think somebody that's worked on all
these things themselves can definitely be
providing so much value and like you
said. If you're speaking not then we
could just e-mail you in English.
Yeah, 100%. Awesome. Thank you. So is
there anything else that you want to
share the any closing things, any
like goals that you have that you know
you've worked on so much already like
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you've you we are coaching,
we negotiated your salary, your
promotion, you started your
business, you have your real estate
investments like what's next for you just
so then it's.
Whatever you're comfortable sharing.
Yeah, absolutely. I think I have,
you know, followed the path that's
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well worn for, you know, over 30
years now. So I do want to use
utilize this period of my time
to explore any other
possibilities I've always had.
You know, the interest of starting my
own business. Again, I don't know if
that's what's that will lead to, but
what I really want to give myself the
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opportunity is to try things out.
So that's what I want to do in the
next, you know, three, at
least three to six months. And I'm
open to any possibilities. And I just
want to let everyone that is listening to
this episode that I believe, I
believe my dreams will come true and
yours will too. Just keep working at
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them. I love that. Thank you. And I'm so
I can't wait to see all the stuff that
you do cause there's so much that you've
already accomplished. And yeah, you just
have to like bet on
yourself and just say even saying it out
loud, like I believe my biggest dreams
will come true. Sometimes sounds so
scary, but that's so important to even
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just be honest with yourself and accept
it. And then of course we start working
on all those things. So thank you so much
for sharing and being vulnerable and.
Sharing your experience and all your
goals and aspirations. I really
appreciate that. Thank you for the
invite. Yeah, I can't wait as well.
Thanks. Awesome.
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Welcome
Hey, I'm Sukhi Kaur, your host and fellow
cycle breaker. I'm here to help first
generation women of color grow their
business that's been on their heart by
breaking free from limiting cultural
expectations and navigating self-doubt.
Together, we'll cultivate self-trust,
(00:30):
explore how to step into your full
potential, and create success on your
terms. Let's break those much
needed cycles and build an impactdriven
life you've been dreaming of right here
in community.
welcome back to the Cycle Breaker
podcast. I'm your host, Suki Kaur, and
I'm so thrilled. To have my former
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client and my client that's actually
signing on again to work with me. Her
name is Summer
and it it's gonna be so valuable for you
to hear this episode because it's first
hand from someone that's been through the
process of finding a coach,
going through the uncertainty of finding
a coach and working on things
career, career related, business
(01:13):
related, making strides and then taking a
break and coming back and like. Ready to
work on coach, working on coaching
together for like the next chapter of
growth. So in this episode we'll go
through how she went about finding a
coach and pretty much like questions that
I tend to get in my consultation. So I
hopefully this is so helpful. So Summer,
(01:35):
I'll let you introduce yourself and thank
you for being on the podcast. I think
this is going to be so helpful. No, all
good. It's my pleasure. Hi everyone. My
name is Summer and I'm from Sydney,
Australia. I'm a first generation Chinese
Australian and have been I guess working
in the corporate world for the past nine
years. Right now I am in an
(01:56):
exciting transitional phase as I
will be leaving my current job next month
to start on I guess a period of
exploration and self-discovery
and that's. How I reach out to Sufi
again for another, you know,
another three months of coaching. Yeah,
we worked together. What was it
(02:19):
mid-year last year?We worked together for
six months and then we took a break like
you applied what you learned and the
skills and all that. And then now we're
going to coach again, which I'm super
excited about. So I'm glad that you
reached out. So tell me a little bit
somewhere about like, you know, when you
initially reached out for coaching last
year. Like what you drew you to it?
(02:39):
What were you hoping that coaching can
help you with?Like how did you go about
finding it and all that?Yeah,
absolutely. To be honest, I
think the initially I I
had a really difficult period at work
and that was not at my current job. It
was my at my last job. It was extremely
(03:00):
stressful and demanding
and it it was in a investment bank.
Where I dreamt since I was in
high school to get into. And finally when
I got into that career, initially I was
so excited and happy. But over the,
I guess the two years I really did burn
out and real started to realize I
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don't know if this is really for me, at
least for the long term. And that's when
I start to feel really lost and
just not sure what I should be doing with
my life. And initially
I went through actually therapy.
I actually went to therapy first.
Some of them were helpful, but what I
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noticed is that a lot of them tend to
spend a lot of time to try to dig out,
I guess what's the origin of the problems
were, rather than focusing on how
exactly I can resolve the the
these issues from now. And
that's kind of what led me to explore
coaching, because what I
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heard about coaching, obviously I
understand everyone has different styles,
but through coaching, while they
try to explore, you know, what the
problem was, but they mainly focus on,
you know, how to go from now to the
future that you do want to build.
And that's led me to really try and
(04:28):
coaching out. Yeah, I really resonate
that because I also had gone through
therapy and when I found and
although I found it very helpful and I
think if somebody doesn't know where to
start, just start in therapy because you
don't know what type of support you need.
But I really like that it wasn't just
about pass. And with the mindset
coaching, it's more so like, OK, this
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happens. What are you making it mean?How
do?And it's not so much about changing
your thoughts automatically, but it's
more so like. OK, like what skill can we
learn now to move forward in the way that
we want?And like that makes such a big
difference rather than feeling like, OK,
I have to go back and do like
years of digging and like sometimes at
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work, like you said, if you're burnt out,
you don't have that extra like
energy or like just that focus like
it can't. It almost feels like more work
is added on so. Yeah, 100%, 100%.
And I do think therapy has its place. I
think just for me, I
definitely think coaching was more
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helpful. I do think, you know, like
for people who have more, you know, like
mental illness, then yeah, definitely go
therapy. I think these two roles that,
yeah, they have different roles and they
serve different purposes and finding
what's right. And and for me, I feel like
coaching really did help me a lot.
(05:53):
Yeah. And I guess like, you know, finding
what right is like so important for the
person. So it's not just that every first
Gen. should just go to coaching and not
therapy or the vice versa. So I know
that in one of our in our consultation
when we first started, you had mentioned
like, you know, you're interviewing other
different coaches and you're trying to
figure out what would be the best fit.
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Could you tell me a little bit about like
what you were looking for in a coach?
Cause I know you mentioned. You
know, you like that I was first
generation Indian, even though I'm from
America, you're from Australia. It's
still the same first Gen. like similar
experiences that we can relate to. And
you mentioned like, you know, I don't,
it's helpful to not have to over
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explain like where I'm coming from and
like have somebody resonate. So tell me a
little bit about like, you know, for the
listener that might be wondering if this
is how going to be helpful like.
What were you looking for?How did you go
about doing it?Cause I liked your process
of, you know, you didn't just talk, speak
to me. You had, you meant you told me you
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were like, I have different interviews,
consultation set up with like different
coaches. So yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
right, 100%.
So I did have, I guess, very strong
preferences. So my preferences for me
personally were I I prefer a a
woman. I prefer
someone, yeah, ideally a
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first generation
and a woman of colour ideally
and and and typically maybe they would
have some corporate experience
and. And have a
niche of helping kind of
high achievers or corporate workers
has to break cycles, literally the
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the name of the podcast. And the reason
of that is I do
understand there's a lot of kind of
cultural nuances that
that is very difficult to
communicate within you know a a
session or two because that's literally
what we. The
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environment we brought up in
and you know, the nuances that our
parents or our
environment inserted into our
brain since we were little.
So for example, myself as a
Chinese and and parents being, you know,
typical Asian parents, they have very
(08:23):
high expectations. You know,
I feel like that's. Not something
every everyone would understand
or our obedience towards our
parents. You know, the the sense of
having big families and and the
lack of individualism. I think all those
little things, you know, like
(08:45):
it's it's so much easier to talk to you,
Suki, because I understand we share a lot
of those experiences, even though you're
Indian, I'm Chinese, but I still feel
like we share a lot of that. And
that's kind of like what I was looking
for. And as opposed to a
process, yeah, that's just how I normally
(09:06):
function. I did reach out to maybe five
or six coaches that I was interested
in. And to be honest, most of
them ticked all my boxes, you know, just
on the paper, women or, you know, have
corporate experience and first
Gen. that kind of stuff.
But I just really want to find
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someone, you know, I can connect with
quite quickly who understood me
and the conversation would need to be,
you know, relatively smooth and I can,
you know, trust this person. I think
that's quite important for me to open up.
I gotta, you know, trust them. Yeah,
yeah, for sure. So where did you, you
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know, when you were interviewing and then
trying to figure out, did you have. Any
hesitations to
starting coaching?Because I know, I don't
know if all the other coaches had six
month programs, but you know, for me, I'm
like 6 months every week we show up.
Did you have any hesitation as far as
starting or like signing up and like why
now would be like the reason why you
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start and all that stuff?Yeah, sure. To
be honest, I do. I I do think
for example, a six month.
Commitment. It is, you know, a quite a
bit of a long commitment.
And for me, to be honest, the reason I
really was committed in starting
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something new was that I
was. Extremely burned out and extremely
lost. And I
was eager to, you know, try something new
and I knew therapy helps a little bit
and and I knew coaching could be
something really, really helpful. And I
feel like it's just really the pain
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and gain ratio reach a certain
point. I feel like it was. Relatively
natural for me to go down this path.
So that's that's for me. And
secondly, I think I remember back
then I remembered the monetary
or, you know, the price of this,
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you know, that was something I was
hesitating about to be completely
transparent. Yeah. But
when I thought about what I could gain
out of this, like I was just literally
doing this mental math. Cause I remember
that our our first council, I was trying
to negotiate my salary. So I was
literally be like, OK, this is the salary
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I want to get you. And if I do reach that
number, then you know this council fee.
Yeah, I feel like the, you know,
return on investment per se, even just on
the dollar amount was like tenfold
easily. And that was kind of
like what also got me over the hurdle
of, you know
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Paying a certain amount of money to
receive the service 'cause I believe that
I would gain so much by
paying this amount. And to be honest, as
a finance person, if you tell me, hey,
yeah, you like you know $100, but
tomorrow you get $1000, right?Like I will
100% do that like every time. So
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and in the end
when I have like. Mapped out
everything and you know, the
possibilities in life. And I really do
truly believe I can achieve so much more,
but I'm just kind of like stuck in a
certain phase. I think that was an
investment on myself and I would love
absolutely do that. And that's
(12:38):
how I got myself over the hurdle. Yeah, I
think that's so interesting because I
think. The financial investment is
something that, you know, sometimes we're
like, oh, that's a lot, but then it
depends on what you're weighing it
against, right. Because I know you
mentioned like then you're like, OK. And
I love the way you thought about it
because you know, you're like I am in
finance, I do investments. I you always
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will think of the return on the
investment and what term would it be like
of course when we do like. You know,
investments in the stock market, you
don't expect it immediately. So six
months was something that you weed with
like what you're hoping to achieve. So I
guess like if you're comfortable sharing,
like what were some of the goals that you
came in with and that you wanted to work
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on?Like what are the, what are a few
things that you're comfortable sharing
that we worked on and achieved and was
there anything that like surprised you?
Yeah, sure. So I think the time
when I got in contact with you,
I was just not 100% satisfied at
my work. Obviously there there are a
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couple of things specifically I was
trying to work on one. The first one was
I was trying to negotiate a high salary
and in the end I did get get a promotion
and salary and that was a number I was
aiming for. So that was fantastic. It was
really, really helpful. And two,
I think that was around the time I
realised, you know, I don't
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really want to work nine to five for the
rest of my life. I want to explore some
other possibilities.
So I had quite a number of ideas. I
wanted to explore, but I just feel
like there were so many mental blocks
that even though I have some
ideas, but I don't know if that was
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like fear or just like worry.
And I I couldn't really start
many of them or the fact that I had
such. A fear for
failure that I would start something
and get so scared and just like do it at
a very small scale rather than, you
know, kind of like really making
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it bigger because I didn't want to be
seen and to fail. Yes. So. So
that was another hurdle that I was trying
to work on. And
there are two things I remember
specifically. One was.
I was trying to buy a
investment property and because there was
so much, obviously it is a very big
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decision involves involves a lot of
money as well. You know, like I'm
very money specific person.
So I find it that extremely scary to even
take the first step. Even though I have
done tons of research, I believe I've
done like you know. More, more
research than most of the people on the
market, but I just find it extremely
difficult for me to press the button and
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go ahead. So the coaching sessions
really did help me to get over that
hurdle. And I end
up buying a property in
August this year. So I'm extremely proud
of that. Yeah, I am as
well. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah,
absolutely. Yeah, I'm so
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stoked about that. Seriously. Like,
it was extremely difficult
before I did that. But once I did
that, I'm like, yeah,
wow, it wasn't actually that hard.
You know, like, I feel like it
would actually open doors for me
for a lot of other things down the track
as well. Yeah, just really helped me
gain my confidence in making decisions.
(16:15):
Yeah. And I think it was interesting
because the way that I thought about
it, like when I do a consult, I
was like. OK. What are things that are
important to you? What do you want to
work on? You were like, oh, my
financial freedom, I want to set
myself up. And I think the first thing
that you mentioned was like the salary
negotiation and the promotion. And so I
was like, OK, this is like top of
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mind. So we have to work on that first.
And we did. And I think like once we did
that, then it was that open door for
all the other ideas like for your,
you know, real estate investment and
like. Any business opportunities that you
wanted to start. So I think it was
interesting to be like, OK, the
thing that was seemed like such a big
(16:56):
hurdle about the negotiation for the
salary and the promotion. Once that was
done, there was this free space and
it and this happens not just with
you, but myself, everyone that I
work with. It's almost like that free
space that we want and we're
looking forward to. It almost is like
this crisis in a way because it's like.
Not as fun. It's it is exciting
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because we're done with that part. But
then it's almost like, oh, we
have this free space now what do we do?
And it's like open to options. And I
think it's interesting where we have
options. It's like scary because it's
like now our brains know that we have to
grow and we have to do different things.
And like the things that you
mentioned, like being seen and like
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doing things that are like taking actions
at bigger scales and like all that stuff.
So it's interesting that like.
When we want like the things that we
think are like so big, once we do
them, it's like opens up
opportunities, but we need to have
that space and like find some play
in it and like start doing that slowly.
And I think that's where I think coaching
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helps where it's like, oh, it's
not just about the tasks that you get
done. Is more so like the
skill that you can kind of like use for
other stuff. Cause I think you're a real
estate property. You bought that after we
finished coaching for six months and for
a few months we haven't been coaching for
most of the year we haven't been
coaching. So yeah, yeah,
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absolutely. I feel like what's coaching
really helps me is it helps me
shifts my perspectives at a lot of
times and that's really
stuck with me. And I remember that's one
thing I might have mentioned to you
before is that, well, I call
it collecting data points. And
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then how I normally use it is if I am in
a situation, let's say a work
situation and something really terrible
happened. And normally I would just
kind of like complain about a situation
like why this person is like that,
this is unfair, whatnot.
And now I would just tell myself, you
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know what, like they can behave
however they want to. And like,
that's fine. And this is just data point
that I'm collecting. And once I've
collected enough data points, I will
make my decision. And that decision,
that's mine. And I always have the choice
to, you know, either stay or
leave or do whatever I want. Yeah. And
that decision is mine, that power is
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mine. Yeah, I think we use that
reference to the data point, data
collection often because for someone that
does a lot of desk research and all the
the background work before making that
kind of decision, it's just
interesting that in one way when we're
we're intentional, we make, we do
all the research and you know, put
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the plan together and think about pros
and cons. But then sometimes our brains
are like, oh, this is the truth.
And then not until we talk it out,
we're like, OK, what was the
actual like what what actually
happened versus how are we thinking about
it? Like I always call it like what's the
story and what's like the actual
circumstance, like the data
actually, if we were just like
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objectively collecting data of what
actually happened, then it's like.
It's like a different story basically.
You know what I mean? Yeah, 100%. I
think we like, yeah, I love that
you said that cause we we did that a lot
in our sessions of like, OK,
let's just take a step back because our
emotions do like impact us so much
and they they drive what we do. So
sometimes taking a step back and being
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like having that skill to be like,
OK, wait, if I were just to step
back and see what actually happened and
collect the data and then my story,
then I can kind of sort out what's the
next step, so. I really love that you
mentioned that. So yeah, yeah,
yeah, I'm still using that. And I
realized that can be used in many
different scenarios. Yeah. So for
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example, if now I want to try
something new, let's say in my kind
of like a business that I'm trying to
build, I didn't, you know,
like I have this fear that, well,
obviously I'm going to fail and
therefore I wouldn't want to make it so
big, but. What I'm telling
myself is, OK, well, I'm just
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gonna do it. And if the market doesn't
react well to it, then that's another
data point I'm collecting, you know?
So and that's fine. And if
and you know, if it didn't have a lot
of attraction, then not many people
will see it anyways. So yeah,
so I think that's that's been helpful to
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me, you know, a lot of my other
areas as well. Yeah. Yeah. So when you
say like, for example, like. I
wouldn't want to make it so big because
I'm scared to. What does that? What would
that be? Because I know that at the end
of our sessions, was it in
January, you had started your
platform, your social media platform
for your business and like creating
groups and getting people and potential
(21:54):
clients and all that. It's like, what
was it that like that scale? Like how was
that?If you remember or yeah,
yeah, definitely. So I have,
yeah, for the context, I do have
this, a social media account in a
Chinese social media platform and I have
about 30,000 followers now and I talk
about work and it was
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struggles at work and and personal life
and personal development, that kind
of stuff. And I have been
on and off coaching a few people
if they want to get offers in the
corporate finance. field or negotiate a
salary if they again are also in the
corporate finance field. So that's kind
of like the background of it. And earlier
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this year I wanted to ramp up the,
I guess, you know, quote unquote
operations a little bit and want to
do, you know, a group coaching
session. And
I I definitely find that extremely
challenging because, you know,
one, I've never done a group coaching
before and two,
(22:59):
You know, I just feel like if I need
to get more people in, that means I
have to, you know, do the
marketing and advertising and talking to
more people. And to me at that time,
I just feel like, oh wow, the
the, the mass exposure on myself
will magnify my failure if
(23:20):
it does happen. So yeah, that
was an idea I dwell on for weeks and
weeks, yeah. Yeah, I I and I
I asked you that not because it's just
you, but I think so many people
struggle with that of like, oh,
if I give it my all and I have these big
goals and I try to show up and then it
(23:40):
then there's a there's a bigger issue.
It's almost like it's a bigger issue to
do it and try to scale and get as many
followers and market, like market
yourself and then not get
people respond versus just not doing it
and having it as an idea and as like.
Something on your calendar and as your
goals like our pretty lists that we make
(24:02):
and all that stuff that's scheduling out.
So thanks for sharing that and I think
that's amazing that you have 30,000
followers because I know that
you know like I remember about cause I
know this was in like December,
January where we're talking about this
like you had created some type of
marketing post and then you got
like people already responding. So then
(24:24):
it's not really like to scale, right?
It doesn't mean if you need more
people, it doesn't mean you actually
have to necessarily share more, do
more. Sometimes it just is more people
than we expect. So I think even that
like it's like accepting and being
like, OK, like accepting of that
of like, oh, this is actually
enough that I don't need to be like,
(24:46):
I don't know, like hiring an agency
to help me with like ads or something
could just be simple. Yeah, 100%.
And I think now looking back, I feel
like the specific fear of, you
know, even posting the ads was
because I was thinking I don't want
to, well, I didn't want to
receive any rejections and that was
(25:08):
the main thing I was scared of.
But if we just use the data points
thing, you know, point again,
is that, oh, well, like if I
get a rejection, then that's a data
point, right? Like I can ask them why
they're not interested or what's
lacking, you know, like it can be
a good thing, but you know, our
mind comes to spiral
(25:28):
unless, you know, we kind of have
like a sounding board. Well, that
time with you, Suki, that helps
me kind of like really. combed through
the the different thoughts and and
realize, you know what, like
there's there's no one else in the
room, it's just myself. Right. And
then like, I think even like thinking
about it as a rejection, right? Like
(25:49):
sometimes those are the best because you
do get feedback. And then in other
times, I think it's not
really so, like it's a social
media platform, right? Like if we
don't get as many responses as we
think, then we think, oh,
people don't don't want to do it.
But we don't know who's seen it,
unless we look at the actual
(26:10):
insights, right? The data
analytic, and we don't know who's
seen it, we don't know who's opened
it, who's actually read it or
understand it, or who knows where
they are in their journey. They might be
too burnt out to even talk to someone
about it. It's very
nice to be able to have that skill to
look back and be like, okay,
(26:31):
wait, I know I'm trying to do this
business as just a first step. This is
valuable and like this is something that
like a small hurdle. So I guess like for
someone that is in that place where
you know they're in a career where it's
traditionally accepted more like as a
first Gen. but they have something that's
like important to them that's like
(26:52):
heart-led that they want to like start.
What would you advise in that case having
just more recently started and like
continuing to start and like even you
know. We worked together for six months.
We took a break for 10 months. We're
going to start another three months of
coaching. Like, what would you
like, you know, want to share as
someone that's in that place?
(27:15):
Yeah, absolutely. I think what that
initial six months really helps me
understand that I have all the
answers within me and a lot of the
times. We're just too
occupied with our worries and
anxiety. And I feel
like for me that time with you,
(27:36):
Zuki, you really helped me kind of
helped me regain that,
regain that power within
myself
and really kind of like learn to
understand myself a bit more.
So in a way, I feel like, you
(27:58):
know, like I trust most of the people
out there, if you're listening,
that you do have that power within
yourself as well. And maybe sometimes you
just need a little bit of help and a
little bit of a, you know, push
and that's fine. And you know,
as first gen woman of color, I
do understand a lot of the struggles.
(28:19):
Might be coming from, you know,
the societal expectation or our, you
know, our upbringing and that's
fine. Please do remember there are so
many of us out there and we are,
you know, kind of like having sharing
the similar struggles. And
if you do need help, yeah,
yeah, try coaching, try
(28:40):
therapy, and try many other ways that
might be of help to you.
But yeah, I'm personally, I'm
really thankful for Suki. And that's the
reason I reached out again, because I
know the next phase of my life
would be exciting, but also maybe
somewhat challenging. And I do want,
you know, just a little bit more
(29:02):
support along the way. Yeah. And thanks
for sharing that because I think
sometimes reaching out for
support or looking for support, it's
almost like we have that story again,
right? Like as first Gen. just should
just know what to do. And I think at
at times, at least in my
experience, when I say I don't
(29:23):
know, it's almost like something that
I should hide and like not something
that's that's easily owned like something
I'm like, oh, so I'm not an
expert in this thing that I want to do.
So I think like you said, it's you
have the answers within you, you may
just need support and there's nothing
wrong with like looking for support and
each person may just need different type
(29:43):
of support. It could be therapy, it
could be coaching, it could be like
simply searching online with for
whatever you're looking for and seeing
there are solutions out there and it can
be simple as like even using a I for any
questions or fig figuring out what
resources might help. So I really like
that you said that you know. It's like
the answers are within you and it's not
(30:05):
just so if you're listening and you're
like, well, I'm in this island by
myself trying to figure out how to
navigate this stuff. It's there's so many
of us going through it and like
figuring it out and like getting
support, doing the things scared.
Finding out what what you know, what
words and what things resonate with us
(30:25):
most. Like, you know, for
you, it's like the data point thing.
It really resonates. You're like,
wait, let me just figure out. I do my
desk research. Let me just see what to
do, right? Like it could be as simple
as that. I love that you said that
because there's so much just. I
think at times culturally there's taboo
to say you don't know or to start over
(30:45):
or to not just look at the expert as an
expert starting off. So I really,
I appreciate you sharing that because I
think it's a reminder for all of us,
no matter how long we've been doing it of
like it could just be within you. You
just need to might just need a little
helping hand. So yeah, yeah,
absolutely. Thanks. Yeah, yeah. And
(31:06):
so are there. So you know, with your
business, is there something that you
want to share? Like how can people find
you? And I know that we touched on it
lightly, but like. If you want to
share a little bit about who you
help, what you do and like where
people can find you, that would be
great. Yeah, absolutely. So
as I mentioned, I have worked I guess
(31:26):
in corporate for over nine years right
now. So my, I guess work experience
main mainly aligned in, you
know, big four accounting firms and I
do deals and transactions and then that
led me to end up in a investment
bank. And now I came out of
IB and now works in a start-up, but
(31:47):
also in the deal space. So for
my business, I specifically help
people who want to get into corporate
finance. And if you want to reach out and
if you happen to be able to read
Chinese, then you can find me on the
Chinese social media, which I'llleave
well in the short notes. Otherwise you
(32:09):
can also send me an e-mail in my e-mail
address. I'll also provide that in the
show notes. Yeah, I can add that in
the show notes so people know how to
reach out to you because I think you know
corporate fund that it's like it's very
specific type of things that you deal
with and you know you help with
negotiation and like just some of the
mindset stuff that you have worked on. So
(32:30):
I think somebody that's worked on all
these things themselves can definitely be
providing so much value and like you
said. If you're speaking not then we
could just e-mail you in English.
Yeah, 100%. Awesome. Thank you. So is
there anything else that you want to
share the any closing things, any
like goals that you have that you know
you've worked on so much already like
(32:52):
you've you we are coaching,
we negotiated your salary, your
promotion, you started your
business, you have your real estate
investments like what's next for you just
so then it's.
Whatever you're comfortable sharing.
Yeah, absolutely. I think I have,
you know, followed the path that's
(33:13):
well worn for, you know, over 30
years now. So I do want to use
utilize this period of my time
to explore any other
possibilities I've always had.
You know, the interest of starting my
own business. Again, I don't know if
that's what's that will lead to, but
what I really want to give myself the
(33:35):
opportunity is to try things out.
So that's what I want to do in the
next, you know, three, at
least three to six months. And I'm
open to any possibilities. And I just
want to let everyone that is listening to
this episode that I believe, I
believe my dreams will come true and
yours will too. Just keep working at
(33:57):
them. I love that. Thank you. And I'm so
I can't wait to see all the stuff that
you do cause there's so much that you've
already accomplished. And yeah, you just
have to like bet on
yourself and just say even saying it out
loud, like I believe my biggest dreams
will come true. Sometimes sounds so
scary, but that's so important to even
(34:18):
just be honest with yourself and accept
it. And then of course we start working
on all those things. So thank you so much
for sharing and being vulnerable and.
Sharing your experience and all your
goals and aspirations. I really
appreciate that. Thank you for the
invite. Yeah, I can't wait as well.
Thanks. Awesome.
(34:38):
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business, it's time to book a
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back and you'll have a clear plan for
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