The Datsusara Podcast

The Datsusara Podcast

DATSUSARA 脱サラ is a Japanese phrase that essentially means "To escape drudgery and find one's true path". This concept of living a life of self determination is the primary focus of the show. Episodes will feature guests that are examples of living the Datsusara way. The show is hosted by Chris Odell who is the founder of a the modern hemp gear companies, Datsusara (DSgear.com), and Odell Sports & Leisure (OdellSports.com).

Episodes

July 7, 2025 112 mins

Chris sits down with James Driskill, a Rickson Gracie black belt currently serving as Rickson's full time uke and assistant instructor. James has applied the principals of learning to many areas of life including regenerative agriculture, cannabis farming and many more topics covered in the discussion.

 

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Josh McKinney and Chris Odell have a fun talk about various topics revolving mostly around Josh's life journey from being a fat kid needing exercise to becoming a top level competitor, to founding his own gym.

Josh is also the host of a podcast that Datsusara proudly sponsors called "I Suck at Jiu-Jitsu". " where "each episode will help you suck just a little less at jiu-jitsu, or your money back"!

Josh McKinney's "I Suck at Jiu-Ji...

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March 3, 2025 82 mins

Akira The Don talks with Chris about how and why he creates music that channels the great philosophy of the ages, finding meaning in life through dark times, Chris' return to the podcast and jiu jitsu.

Akira the Don is an Artist, DJ, and architect of the Meaningwave® Universe. 

Intro and outro music by Twenty Shades of Red with excerpts from a speech by Alan Watts  (Do You...

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November 28, 2018 92 mins
Chris interviews his friend and golf instructor Bob Kotowski, a PGA professional. They discuss their love of the sport and how the lessons apply well beyond the golf course.

An accomplished PGA golf instructor and personal coach to over 10,000 students, Bob Kotowski has over 50 years of hands-on, “dig it out of the dirt” golf history. Bob has a diverse and extensive golf and athletic background, as well as formal education an...
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Dr. Oren Amitay returns to the podcast to talk with Chris about psychological techniques for calming the mind in order to combat fear, anxiety and paralysis from over conscientiousness.

Dr. Oren Amitay a psychologist trained in 8 different therapy orientations, a university lecturer and serves as an expert witness in the Ontario court system. He also has a podcast called “The Real Reality”.

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Lee Mellor is a author, criminologist and profiler specializing in abnormal homicide and sex crimes, lecturer, podcaster and singer-songwriter. In this episode Chris talks with Lee about his interesting choice of studying murder and why that is such a fascinating topic for people, free speech and the problems with modern cinema.


Guest links:
http://leemellor.com
https://twitter.com/ProfMellor
https://murderwasthecase.podbean.com
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The third in our "Ask Me Anything"(AMA) style episodes with Datsusara founder Chris Odell. Chris answers questions submitted and voted on via Reddit.

Sponsored by Datsusara
Twitter: @DatsuChris
Facebook: Chris Datsusara Odell

Intro and outro music by Twenty Shades of Red with excerpts from a speech by Alan Watts  (Do You Do It, or Does It Do You).

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Antero returns to the podcast to share his thoughts with Chris on topics ranging from meaningful occupations, to psychedelic exploration to transforming uncertainty into motivation for creation.

Antero Alli comes from a deep background of writing, directing, and producing experimental theatre and numerous underground films. He is also the author of eight books including Angel Tech, The Eight-Circuit Brain, and Towards an Archeolog...

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Travis Newaza Warner is a well known and somewhat controversial and mysterious figure in the Jiu Jitsu community. He founded the company Newaza Apparel in order to fund his competitive Jiu Jitsu journey featuring matches and title wins at high profile competitions including Gracie Worlds, and Polaris.

Chris talks with Travis about martial arts history, philosophy and it's application in brand building.


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Dr. Oren Amitay a psychologist trained in 8 different therapy orientations, a university lecturer and serves as an expert witness in the Ontario court system. He also has a podcast called “The Real Reality”.

Chris and Oren discuss psychology, raising well adjusted children, PC/SJW extremist politics, social media, and psychedelics.

 
 
 
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Jonathan Pageau is an Eastern Orthodox religious icon carver by trade. Recently he has also been speaking on and making videos which explore the symbolic worldview.

Chris talks with Jonathan about his personal Datsusara journey which led to his work as an icon carver and also his more recent endeavors exploring symbology in myth, religion, society and culture. Chris gets into his allergic response to organized religion and di...
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Dr. Clay Routledge is an author, psychological scientist, and professor. His research focuses on the many ways that people gain and maintain perceptions of meaning in life and how these perceptions contribute to psychological wellbeing, physical health, and intergroup relations.

Chris talks with Clay about how people find meaning in their lives, and the sometimes strange places that path can lead. The discussion also gets int...
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Jordan Peterson is a clinical psychologist and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto and previously at Harvard. He has written multiple books and produced hundreds of lectures on topics of psychology, mythology, neuroscience, religion, war and in particular the works and philosophy of Jung, Freud, Piaget, Rogers, Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, Kierkegaard, and Heidegger. He has also been very active in the political rea...
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September 15, 2017 56 mins
Nick Osipczak is a British Mixed Martial Artist that has fought in the UFC and also starred on "The Ultimate Fighter" tv show. Nick brings a unique perspective to the arts as he comes from a Tai Chi background and has learned how to integrate that into his MMA practice. Nick also teaches the various MMA aspects, Tai Chi, meditation and much more. He also creates sacred geometry art pieces.

Chris and co-host Peter Hyoguchi dri...
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September 1, 2017 58 mins
Matt Thornton is the founder of Straight Blast Gym International, an association of over 35 gyms worldwide engaged in training athletes in Brazilian jiu-jitsu, boxing and mixed martial arts. Matt has also been applying many of his ideas to the discipline of philosophy, where he champions skepticism, rationality, and the scientific method.

Matt speaks with Chris about the concepts of Aliveness in training and authenticity in m...
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Katy Bowman is biomechanist, author and instructor who has focused her studies and teaching on the everyday movement patterns of human beings. Katy blends a scientific approach with straight talk solutions to healthy living via everyday lifestyle choices, rather than making personal health care something that happens on a schedule in isolated situations.
 
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An accomplished healer, teacher, and martial artist, Dr. Feng, was literally born into a living philosophy. He provides a short introduction to Taoism, where he sees all practice and ritual having a foundation in gratitude. He also shares his own perspective and advice for people on the Datsusara path.


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Twitter: @DatsuChris
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Dancer, Fighter, Businessman. A 10th Planet Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Black Belt under Eddie Bravo, Richie discusses his personal Datsusara history, his present, and his future. Already an accomplished Break Dancer, Jiu-Jitsu and MMA were never his first choice. Stuck in an unhappy, unsatisfying, work situation, he, along with his brother, Geo, found escape through Jiu-Jitsu and a newly discovered passion for teaching.

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In this episode we change things up and talk with Kathy Odell who is a senior executive with over 30 years of leadership experience in early stage and high growth enterprises. Kathy talks with host Chris Odell about her history and challenges from growing up in a time where women had just entered the workplace to becoming a successful self taught executive.

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The long delayed interview with Grammy winning artist and Jiu Jitsu black belt, Ulises Bella of Ozomatli. Chris and Ben were able to sit down with him recently in Los Angeles at the Ghetto Dojo for a fun conversation full of unexpected turns. The running theme of this interview is the importance of honest self expression in music, Jiu Jitsu and life in general. Also discussed is the upcoming Ozomatli album, Nonstop Mexico to J...
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