October 2, 2024 • 32 mins
Get ready to dive into the future of podcasting as Dave Jackson and Daniel J. Lewis explore exciting new developments in the industry. They discuss recent innovations in podcast tools, including Captivate's new AI transcription features that offer users enhanced control over their podcasting content. Focusing on how technology is reshaping the way podcasters create and distribute their shows, they share insights on the impact of always-on displays and mirroring capabilities for a more interactive listening experience.
Additionally, they touch on the importance of platforms like Pocketcast adopting podcasting 2.0 features and the potential for future collaborations in the space. Join them as they speculate on how these advancements will transform the podcasting landscape and enhance audience engagement.
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The episode presents a lively exploration of the future of podcasting through the lens of technological advancements and innovative strategies. Dave Jackson and Daniel J. Lewis kick off their discussion by sharing their excitement about the new AI-powered tool from Captivate, which assists podcasters in generating engaging content. This tool not only automates the creation of titles and descriptions but also provides insightful recommendations for potential guests, enhancing the podcaster's ability to connect meaningfully with their audience. The hosts emphasize how such innovations can streamline the creative process, allowing podcasters to focus more on content quality rather than production logistics.
As the conversation unfolds, the duo shifts their focus to recent updates from Buzzsprout, which now features a podcast recommendation system to foster community engagement. The hosts discuss how this new capability can help listeners discover quality content while enabling podcasters to gain visibility within an increasingly crowded marketplace. They also touch upon the importance of transcripts, highlighting that Pocketcast's recent addition of transcript support marks a crucial step toward inclusivity in the podcasting space. By making shows more accessible, these developments pave the way for a broader audience reach and engagement.
The latter part of the episode speculates on the future of podcasting, particularly about interactive features and the potential of always-on displays. Daniel and Dave envision a landscape where podcast chapters serve as time markers and interactive elements that engage listeners visually. With the ability to dynamically display chapter art, listeners could have a more immersive experience, enhancing retention and enjoyment. The hosts conclude with optimism about the future of podcasting, emphasizing that these technological advancements are tools for efficiency and gateways to more meaningful connections between creators and their audiences.
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(00:00):
Grab your spoon.
It's time for some podcasting.
2.0 stew.
This is the future ofpodcasting, where we ponder what
awaits the podcasters of today.
From the school of podcasting,here's Dave Jackson.
And from the audacity topodcast, here's Daniel J.
Lewis.
Daniel, got your spoon ready?
(00:21):
Episode 51 is on the table,and it's cooling, so get in here
quick.
I love the metaphors.
We have some interestingthings to talk about, some multiple
news items.
Now, the future of podcasting,when we talked about what we wanted
todo with the show, was never going
tobe a current news kind of show, but
more about what's coming in the future.
But along the way, there iscertainly some good news, and we've
got a pile of fun, good, cool stuff
to talk about today.
(00:49):
Absolutely.
I'm looking forward to it.
Can I cheat and talk about howI got to play something early?
I mean, it's like six days early.
But today I got to play withthe new captivate spark tool, which
is an AI tool.
And it was funny because I waswatching it, and it transcribes your
file, and then it goes in and gives
you multiple titles, multiple descriptions.
(01:14):
So again, you're in completecontrol, and it just does a ton of
stuff.
But the one, because I sawthat and I was like, all right, yes,
multiple options.
And you get to give it alittle bit of a prompt as it's making
your transcription.
So the human is involved kind of.
Before, I'd have to go backand play with a little more, but
itlooked like it was either right before
it made the transcript, I believe,
orright as it was.
(01:39):
It's both, I believe.
Because what you're doing inthe AI world, everything that we're
doing with AI, is really just sending
asingle command to the AI system.
And all of the instructions ofwhat it should do with that command
areinside that command.
So it's not like you have allthese toggles and things.
It's you describe exactly whatyou want.
(02:00):
Like, even with the upcomingApple intelligence, some developer
uncovered the actual command that
issent, and it gives all this extra
context, including it even says,
yourresponses should be in JSON format
that look like this.
So what you're doing inside ofthe spark AI thing is you're adding
tothat command with some extra context.
(02:21):
So I believe it's using thatboth when it makes the transcript
as wellas when it does other things.
So, like, you can explain yourtone of voice, you can add some other
stuff, especially if you have certain
things that are often misheard, like
podcagement, for example.
I'm surprised that thetranscription tool that I use with
podgagement, so this is like circular
here, the transcript tool that I
use to transcribe voicemails that
come through podgagement.
(02:52):
Get your own@podgagement.comactually accurately transcribed podgagement.
Even though that word did not exist.
I invented that word.
It did not exist anywhere onthe Internet before then.
So either that AI transcriptmodel was up to date enough that
hadseen it, or, I don't know, maybe
itjust guessed it, but I didn't have
to explain to it.
(03:18):
However, I could have said,anytime you think you hear me say
podcast engagement or pot engagement,
or Icould have said certain things like
that.
I'm kind of telling it,autocorrect it to this or the audacity
to podcast, I could say this is for
the podcast, the audacity to podcast.
And I'm spelling it out sothen it knows.
(03:39):
Never transcribe that word inthe middle to as the number two.
And then it knows this is theproper noun.
Certain things like that whereyou're giving it some clarification
or context.
Yeah, because captivate to mealways comes up with something where
they just thought outside the box.
And the one when they showedit, I was like, oh, there it is.
(04:00):
There's, there's the captivateI know and love.
And it is.
You can go into your podcastsettings, like you said, you can
say if you're serious or funny or
whatever, and you set all that up,
but then you can go in and have it
suggest episode ideas.
And it does this by looking atyour titles and your stats to see
what's working.
And then the one that blew meaway was, I did this and it came
upwith some ideas and it suggested
guests,and the guests were like, one was
about talking about podcast advertising
andit suggested I reach out to Heather
Osgoode and I was like, wow, that's,
that's really intelligent.
(04:36):
So it was impressive.
I'll be interested to see whenI finally get to do a whole episode
andrun through the whole thing.
But it was just one that, thatwas new.
And I guess as we're talkingabout people using new technology,
wedidn't really talk about buzzsprout,
updated their websites.
And one of the things thatthey have on a buzzsprout website
nowis the part where you recommend other
people.
(04:59):
The pod role now is now ontheir website.
So it was nice to just seethat feature in use kind of thing.
So those were some things interms of media hosts that were updating.
So that was just part of our stew.
And you know what I reallylike before we move on with the way
that captivate does this, because
someof these things, you can get third
party tools that can give you this
information or you could feed some
of this into any kind of AI model
yourself.
(05:26):
But what I really like thatcaptivate did, since captivate is
the podcast hosting provider, they
are also making your RSS feed.
And they have Amy, theirdynamic audio engine that can do
dynamic content insertion, is that
when it comes to the chapters, they
will put the chapters into your chapter
setting there inside of captivate
so youcan see it on the waveform.
(05:52):
You can adjust the positioningof those chapters if you want.
Also, you can have the AI findthe spots that might be good for
dynamic ad insertion, dynamic announcements,
any kind of content like that.
And it can find those spotsand you can see where they are and
it puts those into Amy, their dynamic
content engine, so that it's already
there for you.
(06:13):
And that's great.
And if you don't really likewhere it put it, you can just slide
it slightly to the left or right
andit's fine.
And I love the fact that itexplains why it thinks this is a
good spot.
It's like at the 29 minutes,27 second mark, we found this.
And here's why we think it'sgood, because they're, they're transitioning
from one topic to the other, whatever.
So it just, it looked really interesting.
(06:34):
The other thing that we needto clarify, at least I had to clarify
in the video where they were announcing
this, they make it sound like you
can't upload your own transcript
anymore.
And that's not true.
You can upload your own transcript.
You can't upload your owntranscript and then go, okay, now
do all that magic voodoo stuff with
the transcript.
(06:57):
They only do that with atranscript that they create.
So if you wanted to do those,like you mentioned the timestamps
andthings like that, it's not going
todo that.
If, let's say you use castmagic and you uploaded your own transcript
from cast magic, and Mark said the
reason for that is a lot of transcripts
arenot good.
(07:18):
And so now you're trying to dothese other tools and he said it
really just put them in the front
line of being tech support for all
these bad transcription tools.
And they're like, yeah, we'renot doing that.
So if you want the kind offeatures that Daniel just talked
about, where it's coming up with
ideas, where to put chapters and
all.
It's like you've got to usetheir transcript, which makes sense.
(07:38):
And it's only a dollar anhour, which is pretty cheap.
That is great.
Anytime you add AI to any kindof program.
I know Canva added AI, I'm notsure how long ago, but their price
isgoing up.
And they said one of thereasons why is we built AI and to
make all these computer generated
images,and when you got that AI thing in
the background, it's not cheap, Preston.
(08:00):
But consider this compared towhat the alternatives are like.
If you've got a 1 hour a weekpodcast and you're doing, let's say
four episodes per month, that's 240
minutes per month or 4 hours per
month.
The lowest plan on cast magic.
And we like cast magic, theydo great stuff.
(08:22):
So this is not to degradethem, but just as a comparison.
If you're on the annual planwith cast magic, you're paying $19
a month for 30 minutes.
So 5 hours of content.
Or if you're already payingfor captivate, you're paying $5 extra
per month.
And it integrates directlyinto the hosting provider experience
andyour RSS feed and all of that.
(08:47):
So that's, I wouldn't besurprised if they raise that price
inthe future.
And if they do, it would stillbe a good deal.
And you can export thetranscript, because I know working
atpodpage, it will import somebody's
whatever it is SRT file, and that
isnot meant to be read by humans.
(09:07):
And so you'll look in thetranscript section of a pod page
episode and it's just junk.
And so I always export anactual just text file copy, paste
itin there and you're good to go.
And so you will be able toexport in a couple formats, they
said text, and then if you want HTML,
so if you just want to copy and paste
it into your website, that's good
togo as well.
(09:29):
It was impressive.
Again, just fun to see newtools and new ways.
In terms of the pod roll atBuzzsprout, these features are slowly
being implemented.
And that transcript that comesfrom captivate is 2.0 enabled, which
leads us to the next thing that's
been updated.
(09:51):
Yeah, Pocketcast now supportstranscripts, and this is fantastic
because I wonder if they're taking
thecue from both sides of this, because
they already supported some podcasting
2.0 features.
Not a whole lot, I think.
Actually transcripts is onlytheir number three feature that they
support now, but they were already
supporting some features that Apple
doesn't support, but now the Apple
supports transcripts.
(10:15):
I wonder if then they wereseeing things coming from both sides,
from the Apple side and from the
independent podcasting 2.0 side,
andthey decided we're getting pressure
onboth sides.
Let's add this feature.
The transcripts are a greatthing to add.
So having that insidePocketcast is huge because after
Apple, that's the one of the next
biggest podcast apps out there, and
it's cross platform, too.
(10:42):
So that is fantastic forpodcasting 2.0 developments.
Yeah, if Pocketcast had a fewmore like the value for value featuring,
right, streaming, Satoshis, et cetera,
that would be my app because they
have Android, they have iOS, they
have a web based interface.
And I love the fact that youcan just, for me, I'm constantly
switchingfrom my computer to my phone, and
so I love the fact that I can be
listening on my computer.
(11:11):
And their web interface hasall the features.
A lot of times when you go topodcast Guru has a nice web interface,
butit doesn't have all your playlists.
You just have all your showsand things like that.
Even Apple now has a great webinterface, but they don't have your
playlist.
And you know me, I love my playlist.
Well, Pocketcast has it allthere, so it's Pocketcast.
(11:31):
You could be Dave Jackson'snumber one recommendation.
Just throw in a couple morevalue options there.
I know, Adam, right now, AdamCurry is kind of pushing to have
allthe apps, at least have that.
I'd have to go to podcastingtwo.org to figure out which tag it
is that has not so much the Satoshi
one, but the one where you can put
like a link to PayPal or buy me a
coffee.
(11:51):
The funding tag, yeah, he'shoping that people will start putting
that funding a little more prominent
in apps.
But yeah, albin over atBuzzsprout had an episode and he's
been playing with different apps,
andhe was saying how much he liked Pocketcast
because he was saying how much you
could share with it and make clips
and things like that.
So that's what made me checkit out.
(12:13):
I was like, I need to go lookat this.
There are a lot of really nice apps.
It's just a matter of, I wantone that have all the fun things,
plusthe playlist, plus the streaming
stuff.
And right now, I think myfavorite, at least this week, is
podcast guru.
It's Apple and Android.
It's got a web based version.
The web based version isoccasionally a little bit behind,
butthat's okay.
(12:36):
And they do the streamingSatoshi and I can use my own.
In this case, I'm still usingmy Albie wallethood, which is nice
because then, like true fans, I like
true fans, but I have to use, I have
to fill it up in true fans and use
it in true fans.
I don't believe at this pointI'd have to double check.
I can use my, I used to beable to use my get Albie address
intrue fans, and I think now I have
touse the true fans wallet, but I could
double check on that.
(13:03):
But speaking of true fans and Sam.
Sethi, yeah, Sam really pickedup the mantle that we were dropping
froma recent episode, and he decided
toresurrect the podcamp idea.
And he's putting together apodcamp 2.0, which I think is a great
name for it because it's both kind
of the future of podcasting content
aswell as it is sort of a resurrection
of thepodcamp idea.
(13:27):
I'm not sure if there havebeen any podcamps for a while, and
Podcamp is actually a trademark term
that you license.
So I pointed some of this outto Sam and he said, we're going to
embrace all of that.
There is a little bit ofleeway that you can have with that.
Like you might remember when Idid Podcamp Cincinnati, I did charge
an admission fee for that.
(13:48):
It was very small, though.
It was, I think, ten or $20for that for the two day conference
or twoday event.
But Podcamp 2.0 will beoverseas, somewhere near London probably.
And we'll have the link in thenotes for more details on that.
There's no set location, noset date yet.
(14:10):
It's just right now a conceptputting out the feelers and the interest,
and I think it will be fantastic.
And what's cool I love aboutthis is that this shows the reach
ofinternational podcasting.
Now, is that a major new thingin podcasting is going to happen
firstoverseas, not here in the US.
(14:31):
And I say overseas for us uspeople, but we are overseas to them.
We are the others for them.
But that's awesome thatthey'll be doing that.
And I don't know if I'll beable to make it.
I would love to make it overthere anywhere overseas someday would
be fun, but especially for Podcamp
2.0.
Love to support what Sam isworking on over there, but we might
have something like that over here
in the US at some point, as Dave
andI kind of hinted at a couple episodes
ago.
(15:01):
Yeah.
When I saw it on LinkedIn, Ithink it was, and I said, okay, good,
I can start saving now because it's
not a cheap flight.
Well, I mean, anytime I seeSam or James or, you know, mark from
Captivate or Colin Gray, anybody
I seecome to the states from overseas,
I'malways deeply appreciative of that,
just because it's a lot of money
tofly, and then when you throw in the
hotel and everything else, it's like,
holy cow.
(15:26):
So, yeah, I'm going to try,but I cannot promise.
I don't know, maybe you haveto do a GoFundMe account for.
Or you and I could carpoolover there.
We'll be there in a month.
Yeah.
And Sam is.
I mentioned true fans.
He's, I guess, not so muchwaving the white flag, because true
fans is a PWM, a PWA, a podcast.
(15:53):
Web or podcast.
It's a.
It's a web app.
And for whatever reason, noteverybody loves web apps.
And so I guess he's going toturn true fans into an actual app
that you could have on your iPhone,
your Android, etcetera.
And so that's coming in thefuture, and that's.
I know.
He's put so much work intoTruefans FM.
I was like, it's.
(16:13):
To add that on top of thework, I was like, oh, holy cow.
Because just with my limitedamount of supporting apps at Libsyn,
Ijust was like, oh, are you sure?
Are you sure you want to do that?
Holy cow.
But speaking of iPhones,someone I know got a.
A new, a newer, older iPhone,a slight newish new to you phone
I amnow rocking.
(16:39):
I was on an iPhone twelve Pro,I'm now on an iPhone 15 Pro.
And I noticed some things.
So not all of this is new.
One of these things I'll talkabout in a minute is new, but on
the, I forget exactly what generation
theyadded this, but it's definitely in
the iPhone 15 Pro, and it's then
definitely in the iPhones yet to
come after that.
(17:02):
And other devices have this, too.
And it's the always on display.
And what this does is thedisplay is designed so that it can
illuminate only the areas that it
needs to, and it can run in a very
low power mode.
Bye.
Kind of like dropping theframe rate way down or the refresh
rate, technically, is what it's doing.
(17:27):
So it's doing this so that thedisplay can remain on, but it consumes
very, very, very little power.
It's essentially giving thepower only for the pixels that are
lit up.
That's basically a way tothink of it.
So the display, as the nameimplies, is always on.
That doesn't mean it's on atfull brightness or everything is
visible and moving and animated on
the display.
(17:52):
But, like, the clock is onthere right now.
I'm looking down, I see thedate and the time.
I hid my wallpaper backgroundso that's not lighting it up.
I just have a solid black background.
But I had a thought as soon asI realized, oh, yeah, I've gotten
always on display right now.
I wanted to test something,and sure enough, it worked.
So I fired up podcast Gurudev.
(18:14):
I loaded up the latest episodeof no Agenda show where they have
rotating cover art with the chapters
andwhat I saw on my iPhone.
While it was technicallyasleep, the display was still on.
I could see the COVID artchange for each chapter.
I did not have to wake the phone.
(18:35):
I didn't have to move the phone.
I simply looked down and Icould see it now.
It was a little dim because myphone wasn't pointing at me, it wasn't
plugged into a charger, anything
like that.
But still, I could see thatthe COVID art was there.
So think about that technologyas it starts to go into more and
more devices that always on displays.
(18:57):
We've had them in the Applewatches for a long time, and I know
some Android devices have had them
for a long time, too.
So I know this technology isnot new.
It's new to me.
And I'm realizing someimplications for podcasting with
this, especially with what we're
trying to do with podcasting.
2.0 super chapters.
Imagine being able to have anykind of engagement that you can put
in the future in a chapter.
(19:19):
Being able to be visible on adisplay that is always on and probably
always able to show you whatever
thatthing is.
Pretty cool.
I know.
I've said, when Adam and Johnon the no agenda show start discussing
theartwork, many times the phone is
in my pocket and I'm like, I've heard
people say if you're in the car and
you have some sort of carplay going
on, that's actually really cool to
watch it change.
(19:46):
That's where I actually firstnoticed it.
Now, I don't have Carplay, butwith this new iPhone, what I do sometimes
is I plug it into a charger.
I use the magsafe thing so itjust sticks magnetically onto this
charger.
You know, the thing thatpeople often have where their phone
is attached to their dash in some
way or in front of their air conditioner
vent.
Well, I had my phone there,and I'm just used to seeing that
thedisplay would turn off if I'm not
actively needing navigation directions.
(20:15):
But in this case, the displaystayed on because it's always on
display.
And the COVID art for thepodcast I was listening to was visible
and able to change, even though I
was not interacting with the phone.
So that meant I didn't have totouch it, I didn't have to do anything
with it.
It was just there.
I could see it there in my car.
(20:37):
I didn't even need car playfor it.
It was just there.
And I love that.
And imagining the potentialfor that in both our phones and other
technologies we might have in the
future as podcasts get more interactive
based on what happens in a chapter,
Ithink there's some great potential
there.
(20:58):
Well, and the nice thing aboutthat always on display is it enhances
the actual experience of just consuming
the content.
When I lived in Cleveland,there was a nice restaurant.
They had great food, but theparking lot was always too small,
soyou had to kind of drive around the
block and find a place to park.
And then it was justeverything about it was kind of a
hassle to where the experience of
actually getting the food, eating
itand leaving was kind of a hassle.
(21:24):
And so when you, anytime youcan enhance the experience to make
it easier or just more interactive,
I thinkthat's going to be a bonus for anyone.
And it can help with theretention of information that you're
sharing, too.
Or think about stuff thatmaybe you really need to show people.
Like a chart.
(21:44):
Now, of course, that's in someway optimized for display at that
size.
So not extremely detailed.
But if you need to show a barchart or a pie chart or something
likethat, that is only a few bars or
afew divisions of the pie, you can
show that easily in an image so that
people get that extra context to
see what you're talking about.
Or maybe there's some kind ofvisual context so they're able to
associate that with the information
thatyou're giving them, and then they
can more easily put that into action,
remember it better.
(22:17):
Or just the entertainmentvalue of it, like with no agenda,
wherethey put up the different cover arts
that they're talking about, the artwork
that they got submitted for it, that's
just the entertainment factor to
see that and laugh at it.
Yeah, because you'll hear thembe like, well, we were going to use
this, but this was horrible.
And this.
And then you look up andyou're like, yeah, that was not good.
But I mentioned earlier abouthow I, I love to switch from my computer
to my phone.
(22:41):
And this is another thing thatyou're talking about with, I guess
it's called mirroring with your phone.
Yeah, this is brand new.
It's in macOS sequoia.
So it is only between iPhonesand macOS sequoia computers, which
are the more recent computers.
It runs on my intel iMac, soit's not an M one or M four, whatever,
exclusive thing.
(23:03):
But you do need the latestversions of the operating systems
onthe mobile device and on the computer.
But what this lets you do isyou can mirror your iPhone again,
youknow, brilliant name.
How'd they come up with that?
You're mirroring your iPhoneto your computer, but not only able
to see what's on the iPhone screen,
butinteract with your iPhone.
(23:27):
So it's basically, if youcould imagine taking your iPhone
andgluing it to your monitor and then
being able to click on things with
it, with your mouse, it's like that.
So you can scroll in apps, youcan type through your computer into
your iPhone, you interact with the
apps and the newer, the phone is
like, this didn't work all that well
on my iPhone twelve Pro because it
was an older model.
(23:51):
It did still work, but justwasn't as smooth.
It works a lot better on theiPhone 15 Pro and will work better
onnewer generations as well.
But this made me think, all ofthose podcast apps, you can now have
them on your computer through this
way and the developer doesn't have
to do anything extra with this.
I know that there is alreadythe possibility of installing some
iOS apps on an Apple silicon Mac,
but the developer has to allow that.
(24:22):
In some cases, there might bethings where they have to do a little
bit extra work to actually make that
function.
This, they don't have to doany of that.
So if you have your iPhone,maybe you don't have the always on
display, but you want to be able
tosee the artwork change while you're
listening to a podcast still through
the iPhone, you can activate iPhone
mirroring on your Mac and be able
tomove that window to wherever you
want.
(24:49):
And so you could see thatartwork change, or you can interact
withyour app, your podcast app through
yourphone, but you are using your computer.
This does also exist alreadyand it's possible on the Android
sideas well.
So I know, I'm not saying thisis a radical new thing.
That's first time ever.
But the possibilities for thisnow cross platform and what often
happens in the world of technology
is,let's be honest, Apple doesn't invent
a lot.
(25:20):
They certainly innovate and alot of things, a lot of competitors
products are made better because
of thecompetition that Apple raises with
stuff.
So when Apple makes somethinglike this so super simple, you don't
have to install anything.
If you're on the latest macOSand iOS versions, think about how
that can challenge other companies
tomake it as seamless for them, too,
like Windows and Android, to seamlessly
stream the Android device onto Windows
so that you can interact with your
Android smartphone through your Windows
computer or maybe even interact with
your Android smartphone through your
Mac OS computer, if you're one of
those psychos who works like that.
(26:03):
But that is something thatcould be done and that could be made
simpler because of the demonstration
of lookhow easy this is.
And I'm interested in thepotential for these things, like
with the always on display, the iPhone
screen, mirroring some of these things.
What kind of innovations willthat inspire?
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What kind of new potential forboth consumption and even for creation?
Because think of it this way,too many of the iPhone apps you can
use to make a podcast, basically,
you canuse those through your Mac now, too.
I don't think.
I'm not so sure about if itcan use the microphone connected
to yourMac or the camera.
(26:47):
That would be the.
I just don't know because Ihaven't thought to even test that
until just now.
But that certainly that willbe possible at some point, if it's
not already possible.
Well, and as you said that Ithought about it because Marco has
a very much air quotes, web based
version of overcast, but it doesn't
have all the, it's just a list of
your shows and you can listen to
it and it works.
(27:11):
It's fine.
But if I could then mirrorovercast on my computer now I've
gotall my playlists, et cetera, et cetera.
I just wish we could, I don'tknow, hold down Marco, maybe waterboard
him a little bit and get him to put
some 2.0 stuff into that app.
Yeah, a lot of exciting things.
And again, they're all kindof, if we think about it, they all
are somewhat going to make the experience
more entertaining, more engaging,
andjust get more people listening to
podcasts.
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So very, very cool.
Just by the way, in theinterest of full disclosure, Dave
and I are affiliates for some of
the things that we talked about,
likecaptivate and such.
They are not sponsoring this.
They did not ask to appear on this.
We each have our own affiliate links.
And in fact, if you want tosign up for captivate through our
affiliate links, I guess you could
pick which one of us is your favorite
because we'll have our links in the
notes, too.
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But nonetheless, we're talkingabout this stuff because it's interesting
and fascinating, not because we get
paid for it, but if you want to pay
us, you can certainly send us a booster
gram, stream us some sats, send a
donation offered to sponsor us, maybe
we're open to it.
And speaking of streamingsats, I did listen, I'll put a link
to this in the show notes.
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Adam Curry was on the newmedia show with Todd and Rob today.
And if you've been kind oflike me going, hey, the whole streaming
Satoshi thing is kind of glitchy
now,we kind of lost our Albie connection,
andhe said that both he and Dave Jones
have been approaching multiple companies
and it's coming.
So if you're like, well, whatare we going to do?
(28:48):
What's, you know, Alby kindof, especially if you're in the US,
you know, Alby kind of became a non
player and we understand why.
Nothing wrong against those guys.
But from what I understand,there are, they're looking at multiple
options, so we won't have just one
solution for this going forward.
So I'm looking forward towhenever they announce that and whenever
it's ready.
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I know there one was Zebedee.
I think it was something witha z.
And they're putting thingsinto place.
So fear not, we have not lostthe streaming Satoshi.
And there may be again, just,I know they were already talking
aboutinstead of every second stream or
every minute or whatever it was,
that in the future, apps may wait
and do it every 15 minutes and send
one big chunk of sats instead of
just these little streams, which
weunderstand it's a lot in some cases
to handle.
(29:44):
And as it gets more popular,that could be more of a problem.
Yeah.
And I don't think there'sreally the need to stream those payments.
I love the ability of sayingbasically for every minute I listened,
send this amount.
But who says that that amounthas to be sent exactly the moment
thatyou listened?
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Certainly there are privacyconcerns with that.
Yes, I can understand that.
But most people, I think,aren't too concerned about that yet.
But the word that I love thatyou used is several.
Because before this Albyapocalypse, it was just Alby, pretty
much everyone was just saying, yeah,
you sign up for Alby.
(30:28):
Sign up for Alby.
Integrate Alby wallet into this.
Use the Albie thing.
I'll be this, I'll be that.
Yes, there were a couple ofother competitors, but everyone was
pretty much pointing and putting
alltheir eggs in the Albie basket.
Now that that's closing, atleast in that aspect that we've been
used to.
So I'm not saying Albie is closing.
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Don't, don't get fearful over that.
But just the way it's workingis changing.
It's in some ways getting morecomplicated, but that is, but then
that's created this competitive atmosphere
where then more companies are stepping
up and saying, well, maybe we could
do something.
Or maybe like what Sam isdoing with true fans is where he
is using that new technology that
Albie uses so that that's making
iteasier for Sam to make it easier
forhis users.
(31:16):
That's what we needed, is notjust a central place, but a decentralized
idea that multiple companies can
do.
That's exciting.
Yeah.
And it is drop dead easy intrue fans to fill up your wallet.
And so what I've been doing isI'm going to have probably my, I'll
have two apps, one that I will listen
to non 2.0 enabled shows, and then
I'll have all my 2.0 enabled shows,
maybe in true fans because it is
really easy to fill up that wallet.
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But speaking of streamingSatoshis, number one, I think in
the last episode we mentioned how
Saturn might have been having a bad
day, and we hope that they, you know,
nothing bad.
Well, apparently whatever itwas has been solved and they're back.
So that's good.
And I went over to see if wehad any new boosted grams, and at
least according to my Saturn dashboard,
we don't.
But we do appreciate everyonewho does stream as they listen.
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We always deeply appreciate that.
So no boost to grams.
And with that, I think that'sgoing to do it.
Then for this episode 51 of the.
Future of podcasting, keepboosting and keep podcasting.
Grab your spoon.
It's time for some podcasting.
2.0 stew.
This is the future ofpodcasting, where we ponder what
awaits the podcasters of today.
From the school of podcasting,here's Dave Jackson.
And from the audacity topodcast, here's Daniel J.
Lewis.
Daniel, got your spoon ready?
(00:21):
Episode 51 is on the table,and it's cooling, so get in here
quick.
I love the metaphors.
We have some interestingthings to talk about, some multiple
news items.
Now, the future of podcasting,when we talked about what we wanted
todo with the show, was never going
tobe a current news kind of show, but
more about what's coming in the future.
But along the way, there iscertainly some good news, and we've
got a pile of fun, good, cool stuff
to talk about today.
(00:49):
Absolutely.
I'm looking forward to it.
Can I cheat and talk about howI got to play something early?
I mean, it's like six days early.
But today I got to play withthe new captivate spark tool, which
is an AI tool.
And it was funny because I waswatching it, and it transcribes your
file, and then it goes in and gives
you multiple titles, multiple descriptions.
(01:14):
So again, you're in completecontrol, and it just does a ton of
stuff.
But the one, because I sawthat and I was like, all right, yes,
multiple options.
And you get to give it alittle bit of a prompt as it's making
your transcription.
So the human is involved kind of.
Before, I'd have to go backand play with a little more, but
itlooked like it was either right before
it made the transcript, I believe,
orright as it was.
(01:39):
It's both, I believe.
Because what you're doing inthe AI world, everything that we're
doing with AI, is really just sending
asingle command to the AI system.
And all of the instructions ofwhat it should do with that command
areinside that command.
So it's not like you have allthese toggles and things.
It's you describe exactly whatyou want.
(02:00):
Like, even with the upcomingApple intelligence, some developer
uncovered the actual command that
issent, and it gives all this extra
context, including it even says,
yourresponses should be in JSON format
that look like this.
So what you're doing inside ofthe spark AI thing is you're adding
tothat command with some extra context.
(02:21):
So I believe it's using thatboth when it makes the transcript
as wellas when it does other things.
So, like, you can explain yourtone of voice, you can add some other
stuff, especially if you have certain
things that are often misheard, like
podcagement, for example.
I'm surprised that thetranscription tool that I use with
podgagement, so this is like circular
here, the transcript tool that I
use to transcribe voicemails that
come through podgagement.
(02:52):
Get your own@podgagement.comactually accurately transcribed podgagement.
Even though that word did not exist.
I invented that word.
It did not exist anywhere onthe Internet before then.
So either that AI transcriptmodel was up to date enough that
hadseen it, or, I don't know, maybe
itjust guessed it, but I didn't have
to explain to it.
(03:18):
However, I could have said,anytime you think you hear me say
podcast engagement or pot engagement,
or Icould have said certain things like
that.
I'm kind of telling it,autocorrect it to this or the audacity
to podcast, I could say this is for
the podcast, the audacity to podcast.
And I'm spelling it out sothen it knows.
(03:39):
Never transcribe that word inthe middle to as the number two.
And then it knows this is theproper noun.
Certain things like that whereyou're giving it some clarification
or context.
Yeah, because captivate to mealways comes up with something where
they just thought outside the box.
And the one when they showedit, I was like, oh, there it is.
(04:00):
There's, there's the captivateI know and love.
And it is.
You can go into your podcastsettings, like you said, you can
say if you're serious or funny or
whatever, and you set all that up,
but then you can go in and have it
suggest episode ideas.
And it does this by looking atyour titles and your stats to see
what's working.
And then the one that blew meaway was, I did this and it came
upwith some ideas and it suggested
guests,and the guests were like, one was
about talking about podcast advertising
andit suggested I reach out to Heather
Osgoode and I was like, wow, that's,
that's really intelligent.
(04:36):
So it was impressive.
I'll be interested to see whenI finally get to do a whole episode
andrun through the whole thing.
But it was just one that, thatwas new.
And I guess as we're talkingabout people using new technology,
wedidn't really talk about buzzsprout,
updated their websites.
And one of the things thatthey have on a buzzsprout website
nowis the part where you recommend other
people.
(04:59):
The pod role now is now ontheir website.
So it was nice to just seethat feature in use kind of thing.
So those were some things interms of media hosts that were updating.
So that was just part of our stew.
And you know what I reallylike before we move on with the way
that captivate does this, because
someof these things, you can get third
party tools that can give you this
information or you could feed some
of this into any kind of AI model
yourself.
(05:26):
But what I really like thatcaptivate did, since captivate is
the podcast hosting provider, they
are also making your RSS feed.
And they have Amy, theirdynamic audio engine that can do
dynamic content insertion, is that
when it comes to the chapters, they
will put the chapters into your chapter
setting there inside of captivate
so youcan see it on the waveform.
(05:52):
You can adjust the positioningof those chapters if you want.
Also, you can have the AI findthe spots that might be good for
dynamic ad insertion, dynamic announcements,
any kind of content like that.
And it can find those spotsand you can see where they are and
it puts those into Amy, their dynamic
content engine, so that it's already
there for you.
(06:13):
And that's great.
And if you don't really likewhere it put it, you can just slide
it slightly to the left or right
andit's fine.
And I love the fact that itexplains why it thinks this is a
good spot.
It's like at the 29 minutes,27 second mark, we found this.
And here's why we think it'sgood, because they're, they're transitioning
from one topic to the other, whatever.
So it just, it looked really interesting.
(06:34):
The other thing that we needto clarify, at least I had to clarify
in the video where they were announcing
this, they make it sound like you
can't upload your own transcript
anymore.
And that's not true.
You can upload your own transcript.
You can't upload your owntranscript and then go, okay, now
do all that magic voodoo stuff with
the transcript.
(06:57):
They only do that with atranscript that they create.
So if you wanted to do those,like you mentioned the timestamps
andthings like that, it's not going
todo that.
If, let's say you use castmagic and you uploaded your own transcript
from cast magic, and Mark said the
reason for that is a lot of transcripts
arenot good.
(07:18):
And so now you're trying to dothese other tools and he said it
really just put them in the front
line of being tech support for all
these bad transcription tools.
And they're like, yeah, we'renot doing that.
So if you want the kind offeatures that Daniel just talked
about, where it's coming up with
ideas, where to put chapters and
all.
It's like you've got to usetheir transcript, which makes sense.
(07:38):
And it's only a dollar anhour, which is pretty cheap.
That is great.
Anytime you add AI to any kindof program.
I know Canva added AI, I'm notsure how long ago, but their price
isgoing up.
And they said one of thereasons why is we built AI and to
make all these computer generated
images,and when you got that AI thing in
the background, it's not cheap, Preston.
(08:00):
But consider this compared towhat the alternatives are like.
If you've got a 1 hour a weekpodcast and you're doing, let's say
four episodes per month, that's 240
minutes per month or 4 hours per
month.
The lowest plan on cast magic.
And we like cast magic, theydo great stuff.
(08:22):
So this is not to degradethem, but just as a comparison.
If you're on the annual planwith cast magic, you're paying $19
a month for 30 minutes.
So 5 hours of content.
Or if you're already payingfor captivate, you're paying $5 extra
per month.
And it integrates directlyinto the hosting provider experience
andyour RSS feed and all of that.
(08:47):
So that's, I wouldn't besurprised if they raise that price
inthe future.
And if they do, it would stillbe a good deal.
And you can export thetranscript, because I know working
atpodpage, it will import somebody's
whatever it is SRT file, and that
isnot meant to be read by humans.
(09:07):
And so you'll look in thetranscript section of a pod page
episode and it's just junk.
And so I always export anactual just text file copy, paste
itin there and you're good to go.
And so you will be able toexport in a couple formats, they
said text, and then if you want HTML,
so if you just want to copy and paste
it into your website, that's good
togo as well.
(09:29):
It was impressive.
Again, just fun to see newtools and new ways.
In terms of the pod roll atBuzzsprout, these features are slowly
being implemented.
And that transcript that comesfrom captivate is 2.0 enabled, which
leads us to the next thing that's
been updated.
(09:51):
Yeah, Pocketcast now supportstranscripts, and this is fantastic
because I wonder if they're taking
thecue from both sides of this, because
they already supported some podcasting
2.0 features.
Not a whole lot, I think.
Actually transcripts is onlytheir number three feature that they
support now, but they were already
supporting some features that Apple
doesn't support, but now the Apple
supports transcripts.
(10:15):
I wonder if then they wereseeing things coming from both sides,
from the Apple side and from the
independent podcasting 2.0 side,
andthey decided we're getting pressure
onboth sides.
Let's add this feature.
The transcripts are a greatthing to add.
So having that insidePocketcast is huge because after
Apple, that's the one of the next
biggest podcast apps out there, and
it's cross platform, too.
(10:42):
So that is fantastic forpodcasting 2.0 developments.
Yeah, if Pocketcast had a fewmore like the value for value featuring,
right, streaming, Satoshis, et cetera,
that would be my app because they
have Android, they have iOS, they
have a web based interface.
And I love the fact that youcan just, for me, I'm constantly
switchingfrom my computer to my phone, and
so I love the fact that I can be
listening on my computer.
(11:11):
And their web interface hasall the features.
A lot of times when you go topodcast Guru has a nice web interface,
butit doesn't have all your playlists.
You just have all your showsand things like that.
Even Apple now has a great webinterface, but they don't have your
playlist.
And you know me, I love my playlist.
Well, Pocketcast has it allthere, so it's Pocketcast.
(11:31):
You could be Dave Jackson'snumber one recommendation.
Just throw in a couple morevalue options there.
I know, Adam, right now, AdamCurry is kind of pushing to have
allthe apps, at least have that.
I'd have to go to podcastingtwo.org to figure out which tag it
is that has not so much the Satoshi
one, but the one where you can put
like a link to PayPal or buy me a
coffee.
(11:51):
The funding tag, yeah, he'shoping that people will start putting
that funding a little more prominent
in apps.
But yeah, albin over atBuzzsprout had an episode and he's
been playing with different apps,
andhe was saying how much he liked Pocketcast
because he was saying how much you
could share with it and make clips
and things like that.
So that's what made me checkit out.
(12:13):
I was like, I need to go lookat this.
There are a lot of really nice apps.
It's just a matter of, I wantone that have all the fun things,
plusthe playlist, plus the streaming
stuff.
And right now, I think myfavorite, at least this week, is
podcast guru.
It's Apple and Android.
It's got a web based version.
The web based version isoccasionally a little bit behind,
butthat's okay.
(12:36):
And they do the streamingSatoshi and I can use my own.
In this case, I'm still usingmy Albie wallethood, which is nice
because then, like true fans, I like
true fans, but I have to use, I have
to fill it up in true fans and use
it in true fans.
I don't believe at this pointI'd have to double check.
I can use my, I used to beable to use my get Albie address
intrue fans, and I think now I have
touse the true fans wallet, but I could
double check on that.
(13:03):
But speaking of true fans and Sam.
Sethi, yeah, Sam really pickedup the mantle that we were dropping
froma recent episode, and he decided
toresurrect the podcamp idea.
And he's putting together apodcamp 2.0, which I think is a great
name for it because it's both kind
of the future of podcasting content
aswell as it is sort of a resurrection
of thepodcamp idea.
(13:27):
I'm not sure if there havebeen any podcamps for a while, and
Podcamp is actually a trademark term
that you license.
So I pointed some of this outto Sam and he said, we're going to
embrace all of that.
There is a little bit ofleeway that you can have with that.
Like you might remember when Idid Podcamp Cincinnati, I did charge
an admission fee for that.
(13:48):
It was very small, though.
It was, I think, ten or $20for that for the two day conference
or twoday event.
But Podcamp 2.0 will beoverseas, somewhere near London probably.
And we'll have the link in thenotes for more details on that.
There's no set location, noset date yet.
(14:10):
It's just right now a conceptputting out the feelers and the interest,
and I think it will be fantastic.
And what's cool I love aboutthis is that this shows the reach
ofinternational podcasting.
Now, is that a major new thingin podcasting is going to happen
firstoverseas, not here in the US.
(14:31):
And I say overseas for us uspeople, but we are overseas to them.
We are the others for them.
But that's awesome thatthey'll be doing that.
And I don't know if I'll beable to make it.
I would love to make it overthere anywhere overseas someday would
be fun, but especially for Podcamp
2.0.
Love to support what Sam isworking on over there, but we might
have something like that over here
in the US at some point, as Dave
andI kind of hinted at a couple episodes
ago.
(15:01):
Yeah.
When I saw it on LinkedIn, Ithink it was, and I said, okay, good,
I can start saving now because it's
not a cheap flight.
Well, I mean, anytime I seeSam or James or, you know, mark from
Captivate or Colin Gray, anybody
I seecome to the states from overseas,
I'malways deeply appreciative of that,
just because it's a lot of money
tofly, and then when you throw in the
hotel and everything else, it's like,
holy cow.
(15:26):
So, yeah, I'm going to try,but I cannot promise.
I don't know, maybe you haveto do a GoFundMe account for.
Or you and I could carpoolover there.
We'll be there in a month.
Yeah.
And Sam is.
I mentioned true fans.
He's, I guess, not so muchwaving the white flag, because true
fans is a PWM, a PWA, a podcast.
(15:53):
Web or podcast.
It's a.
It's a web app.
And for whatever reason, noteverybody loves web apps.
And so I guess he's going toturn true fans into an actual app
that you could have on your iPhone,
your Android, etcetera.
And so that's coming in thefuture, and that's.
I know.
He's put so much work intoTruefans FM.
I was like, it's.
(16:13):
To add that on top of thework, I was like, oh, holy cow.
Because just with my limitedamount of supporting apps at Libsyn,
Ijust was like, oh, are you sure?
Are you sure you want to do that?
Holy cow.
But speaking of iPhones,someone I know got a.
A new, a newer, older iPhone,a slight newish new to you phone
I amnow rocking.
(16:39):
I was on an iPhone twelve Pro,I'm now on an iPhone 15 Pro.
And I noticed some things.
So not all of this is new.
One of these things I'll talkabout in a minute is new, but on
the, I forget exactly what generation
theyadded this, but it's definitely in
the iPhone 15 Pro, and it's then
definitely in the iPhones yet to
come after that.
(17:02):
And other devices have this, too.
And it's the always on display.
And what this does is thedisplay is designed so that it can
illuminate only the areas that it
needs to, and it can run in a very
low power mode.
Bye.
Kind of like dropping theframe rate way down or the refresh
rate, technically, is what it's doing.
(17:27):
So it's doing this so that thedisplay can remain on, but it consumes
very, very, very little power.
It's essentially giving thepower only for the pixels that are
lit up.
That's basically a way tothink of it.
So the display, as the nameimplies, is always on.
That doesn't mean it's on atfull brightness or everything is
visible and moving and animated on
the display.
(17:52):
But, like, the clock is onthere right now.
I'm looking down, I see thedate and the time.
I hid my wallpaper backgroundso that's not lighting it up.
I just have a solid black background.
But I had a thought as soon asI realized, oh, yeah, I've gotten
always on display right now.
I wanted to test something,and sure enough, it worked.
So I fired up podcast Gurudev.
(18:14):
I loaded up the latest episodeof no Agenda show where they have
rotating cover art with the chapters
andwhat I saw on my iPhone.
While it was technicallyasleep, the display was still on.
I could see the COVID artchange for each chapter.
I did not have to wake the phone.
(18:35):
I didn't have to move the phone.
I simply looked down and Icould see it now.
It was a little dim because myphone wasn't pointing at me, it wasn't
plugged into a charger, anything
like that.
But still, I could see thatthe COVID art was there.
So think about that technologyas it starts to go into more and
more devices that always on displays.
(18:57):
We've had them in the Applewatches for a long time, and I know
some Android devices have had them
for a long time, too.
So I know this technology isnot new.
It's new to me.
And I'm realizing someimplications for podcasting with
this, especially with what we're
trying to do with podcasting.
2.0 super chapters.
Imagine being able to have anykind of engagement that you can put
in the future in a chapter.
(19:19):
Being able to be visible on adisplay that is always on and probably
always able to show you whatever
thatthing is.
Pretty cool.
I know.
I've said, when Adam and Johnon the no agenda show start discussing
theartwork, many times the phone is
in my pocket and I'm like, I've heard
people say if you're in the car and
you have some sort of carplay going
on, that's actually really cool to
watch it change.
(19:46):
That's where I actually firstnoticed it.
Now, I don't have Carplay, butwith this new iPhone, what I do sometimes
is I plug it into a charger.
I use the magsafe thing so itjust sticks magnetically onto this
charger.
You know, the thing thatpeople often have where their phone
is attached to their dash in some
way or in front of their air conditioner
vent.
Well, I had my phone there,and I'm just used to seeing that
thedisplay would turn off if I'm not
actively needing navigation directions.
(20:15):
But in this case, the displaystayed on because it's always on
display.
And the COVID art for thepodcast I was listening to was visible
and able to change, even though I
was not interacting with the phone.
So that meant I didn't have totouch it, I didn't have to do anything
with it.
It was just there.
I could see it there in my car.
(20:37):
I didn't even need car playfor it.
It was just there.
And I love that.
And imagining the potentialfor that in both our phones and other
technologies we might have in the
future as podcasts get more interactive
based on what happens in a chapter,
Ithink there's some great potential
there.
(20:58):
Well, and the nice thing aboutthat always on display is it enhances
the actual experience of just consuming
the content.
When I lived in Cleveland,there was a nice restaurant.
They had great food, but theparking lot was always too small,
soyou had to kind of drive around the
block and find a place to park.
And then it was justeverything about it was kind of a
hassle to where the experience of
actually getting the food, eating
itand leaving was kind of a hassle.
(21:24):
And so when you, anytime youcan enhance the experience to make
it easier or just more interactive,
I thinkthat's going to be a bonus for anyone.
And it can help with theretention of information that you're
sharing, too.
Or think about stuff thatmaybe you really need to show people.
Like a chart.
(21:44):
Now, of course, that's in someway optimized for display at that
size.
So not extremely detailed.
But if you need to show a barchart or a pie chart or something
likethat, that is only a few bars or
afew divisions of the pie, you can
show that easily in an image so that
people get that extra context to
see what you're talking about.
Or maybe there's some kind ofvisual context so they're able to
associate that with the information
thatyou're giving them, and then they
can more easily put that into action,
remember it better.
(22:17):
Or just the entertainmentvalue of it, like with no agenda,
wherethey put up the different cover arts
that they're talking about, the artwork
that they got submitted for it, that's
just the entertainment factor to
see that and laugh at it.
Yeah, because you'll hear thembe like, well, we were going to use
this, but this was horrible.
And this.
And then you look up andyou're like, yeah, that was not good.
But I mentioned earlier abouthow I, I love to switch from my computer
to my phone.
(22:41):
And this is another thing thatyou're talking about with, I guess
it's called mirroring with your phone.
Yeah, this is brand new.
It's in macOS sequoia.
So it is only between iPhonesand macOS sequoia computers, which
are the more recent computers.
It runs on my intel iMac, soit's not an M one or M four, whatever,
exclusive thing.
(23:03):
But you do need the latestversions of the operating systems
onthe mobile device and on the computer.
But what this lets you do isyou can mirror your iPhone again,
youknow, brilliant name.
How'd they come up with that?
You're mirroring your iPhoneto your computer, but not only able
to see what's on the iPhone screen,
butinteract with your iPhone.
(23:27):
So it's basically, if youcould imagine taking your iPhone
andgluing it to your monitor and then
being able to click on things with
it, with your mouse, it's like that.
So you can scroll in apps, youcan type through your computer into
your iPhone, you interact with the
apps and the newer, the phone is
like, this didn't work all that well
on my iPhone twelve Pro because it
was an older model.
(23:51):
It did still work, but justwasn't as smooth.
It works a lot better on theiPhone 15 Pro and will work better
onnewer generations as well.
But this made me think, all ofthose podcast apps, you can now have
them on your computer through this
way and the developer doesn't have
to do anything extra with this.
I know that there is alreadythe possibility of installing some
iOS apps on an Apple silicon Mac,
but the developer has to allow that.
(24:22):
In some cases, there might bethings where they have to do a little
bit extra work to actually make that
function.
This, they don't have to doany of that.
So if you have your iPhone,maybe you don't have the always on
display, but you want to be able
tosee the artwork change while you're
listening to a podcast still through
the iPhone, you can activate iPhone
mirroring on your Mac and be able
tomove that window to wherever you
want.
(24:49):
And so you could see thatartwork change, or you can interact
withyour app, your podcast app through
yourphone, but you are using your computer.
This does also exist alreadyand it's possible on the Android
sideas well.
So I know, I'm not saying thisis a radical new thing.
That's first time ever.
But the possibilities for thisnow cross platform and what often
happens in the world of technology
is,let's be honest, Apple doesn't invent
a lot.
(25:20):
They certainly innovate and alot of things, a lot of competitors
products are made better because
of thecompetition that Apple raises with
stuff.
So when Apple makes somethinglike this so super simple, you don't
have to install anything.
If you're on the latest macOSand iOS versions, think about how
that can challenge other companies
tomake it as seamless for them, too,
like Windows and Android, to seamlessly
stream the Android device onto Windows
so that you can interact with your
Android smartphone through your Windows
computer or maybe even interact with
your Android smartphone through your
Mac OS computer, if you're one of
those psychos who works like that.
(26:03):
But that is something thatcould be done and that could be made
simpler because of the demonstration
of lookhow easy this is.
And I'm interested in thepotential for these things, like
with the always on display, the iPhone
screen, mirroring some of these things.
What kind of innovations willthat inspire?
(26:23):
What kind of new potential forboth consumption and even for creation?
Because think of it this way,too many of the iPhone apps you can
use to make a podcast, basically,
you canuse those through your Mac now, too.
I don't think.
I'm not so sure about if itcan use the microphone connected
to yourMac or the camera.
(26:47):
That would be the.
I just don't know because Ihaven't thought to even test that
until just now.
But that certainly that willbe possible at some point, if it's
not already possible.
Well, and as you said that Ithought about it because Marco has
a very much air quotes, web based
version of overcast, but it doesn't
have all the, it's just a list of
your shows and you can listen to
it and it works.
(27:11):
It's fine.
But if I could then mirrorovercast on my computer now I've
gotall my playlists, et cetera, et cetera.
I just wish we could, I don'tknow, hold down Marco, maybe waterboard
him a little bit and get him to put
some 2.0 stuff into that app.
Yeah, a lot of exciting things.
And again, they're all kindof, if we think about it, they all
are somewhat going to make the experience
more entertaining, more engaging,
andjust get more people listening to
podcasts.
(27:41):
So very, very cool.
Just by the way, in theinterest of full disclosure, Dave
and I are affiliates for some of
the things that we talked about,
likecaptivate and such.
They are not sponsoring this.
They did not ask to appear on this.
We each have our own affiliate links.
And in fact, if you want tosign up for captivate through our
affiliate links, I guess you could
pick which one of us is your favorite
because we'll have our links in the
notes, too.
(28:03):
But nonetheless, we're talkingabout this stuff because it's interesting
and fascinating, not because we get
paid for it, but if you want to pay
us, you can certainly send us a booster
gram, stream us some sats, send a
donation offered to sponsor us, maybe
we're open to it.
And speaking of streamingsats, I did listen, I'll put a link
to this in the show notes.
(28:26):
Adam Curry was on the newmedia show with Todd and Rob today.
And if you've been kind oflike me going, hey, the whole streaming
Satoshi thing is kind of glitchy
now,we kind of lost our Albie connection,
andhe said that both he and Dave Jones
have been approaching multiple companies
and it's coming.
So if you're like, well, whatare we going to do?
(28:48):
What's, you know, Alby kindof, especially if you're in the US,
you know, Alby kind of became a non
player and we understand why.
Nothing wrong against those guys.
But from what I understand,there are, they're looking at multiple
options, so we won't have just one
solution for this going forward.
So I'm looking forward towhenever they announce that and whenever
it's ready.
(29:08):
I know there one was Zebedee.
I think it was something witha z.
And they're putting thingsinto place.
So fear not, we have not lostthe streaming Satoshi.
And there may be again, just,I know they were already talking
aboutinstead of every second stream or
every minute or whatever it was,
that in the future, apps may wait
and do it every 15 minutes and send
one big chunk of sats instead of
just these little streams, which
weunderstand it's a lot in some cases
to handle.
(29:44):
And as it gets more popular,that could be more of a problem.
Yeah.
And I don't think there'sreally the need to stream those payments.
I love the ability of sayingbasically for every minute I listened,
send this amount.
But who says that that amounthas to be sent exactly the moment
thatyou listened?
(30:06):
Certainly there are privacyconcerns with that.
Yes, I can understand that.
But most people, I think,aren't too concerned about that yet.
But the word that I love thatyou used is several.
Because before this Albyapocalypse, it was just Alby, pretty
much everyone was just saying, yeah,
you sign up for Alby.
(30:28):
Sign up for Alby.
Integrate Alby wallet into this.
Use the Albie thing.
I'll be this, I'll be that.
Yes, there were a couple ofother competitors, but everyone was
pretty much pointing and putting
alltheir eggs in the Albie basket.
Now that that's closing, atleast in that aspect that we've been
used to.
So I'm not saying Albie is closing.
(30:49):
Don't, don't get fearful over that.
But just the way it's workingis changing.
It's in some ways getting morecomplicated, but that is, but then
that's created this competitive atmosphere
where then more companies are stepping
up and saying, well, maybe we could
do something.
Or maybe like what Sam isdoing with true fans is where he
is using that new technology that
Albie uses so that that's making
iteasier for Sam to make it easier
forhis users.
(31:16):
That's what we needed, is notjust a central place, but a decentralized
idea that multiple companies can
do.
That's exciting.
Yeah.
And it is drop dead easy intrue fans to fill up your wallet.
And so what I've been doing isI'm going to have probably my, I'll
have two apps, one that I will listen
to non 2.0 enabled shows, and then
I'll have all my 2.0 enabled shows,
maybe in true fans because it is
really easy to fill up that wallet.
(31:48):
But speaking of streamingSatoshis, number one, I think in
the last episode we mentioned how
Saturn might have been having a bad
day, and we hope that they, you know,
nothing bad.
Well, apparently whatever itwas has been solved and they're back.
So that's good.
And I went over to see if wehad any new boosted grams, and at
least according to my Saturn dashboard,
we don't.
But we do appreciate everyonewho does stream as they listen.
(32:11):
We always deeply appreciate that.
So no boost to grams.
And with that, I think that'sgoing to do it.
Then for this episode 51 of the.
Future of podcasting, keepboosting and keep podcasting.
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