December 8, 2024 • 57 mins
Norma signed up for a lunch with laughter series Traci offered, and ended up receiving a fun Santa-Nosis session just for her! Like many people, Norma had a more negative attitude towards the holidays. Traci began uncovering why and then created a hypnosis session on the fly to help Norma get through the holidays with Woo-Santa!
Traci Norma discuss their recent activities and experiences. Norma shares her newfound interest in pet sitting, including alpacas, and Traci shares information on her "Hypnotize Yourself For Happiness" program. Norma mentions reconnecting with an old friend and exploring background music for audios. They discuss various hypnosis techniques, including Traci's innovative approaches to regression therapy, such as redecorating traumatic memories and using humor to reframe negative experiences. Traci emphasizes the importance of making clients' memories positive and shares specific client success stories. They also touch on the concept of secondhand trauma and the impact of revisiting memories.
Norma Bowen 12-18-24 TRANSCRIPTION
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Traci Kanaan and Speaker 1 discuss their recent activities and experiences. Traci shares her newfound interest in pet sitting, including alpacas, and her work on a free "Hypnotize yourself for happiness" program. Speaker 1 mentions reconnecting with an old friend and exploring background music for audios. They discuss various hypnosis techniques, including Traci's innovative approaches to regression therapy, such as redecorating traumatic memories and using humor to reframe negative experiences. Traci emphasizes the importance of making clients' memories positive and shares specific client success stories. They also touch on the concept of secondhand trauma and the impact of revisiting memories.
Outline
Pet Sitting and New Ventures
- Norma shares her newfound interest in pet sitting, mentioning she will be looking after alpacas in January.
- Norma talks about expanding their pet sitting business to include dogs, bunnies, chickens, and alpacas.
- Norma expresses excitement about her recent experience staying with a Great Dane, a bunny, and chickens.
- Norma mentions sending out an audio letter to 107 people and receiving a response from one person, indicating the message reached more than one person.
Reconnecting with Old Friends and Music Collaboration
- Norma reconnects with an old friend who is a recording technician in Las Vegas and discusses potential collaboration for background music for audios.
- Traci shares her excitement about recording 14 mini videos for a "Hypnotize yourself for happiness" program to be given out for free this Christmas. Norma talks about starting to take notes for a keynote speech in Nice, France, in May, focusing on metaphysical wellness.
- Traci Kanaan and Norma discuss the high cost of attending the Hypno Thoughts conference in Canada and consider alternative, more affordable options like the Pacific Northwest Hypno conference.
Hypnosis Unconferences and Personal Reflections
- Traci Kanaan and Norma discuss various hypnosis unconferences, including the New England Erotic Hypnosis Unconference and the Midwestern Erotic Hypnosis Unconference.
- Norma humorously refers to their journey as an "existential kink" and mentions reaching out to a friend named Mary.
- Traci Kanaan reflects on the life-changing moment of entering hypnosis through the erotic hypnosis track and the influence of her first hypnosis instructor, Mark Cunningham.
- Traci Kanaan shares her experience with regression therapy and her initial reluctance to conduct full-blown regressions due to the emotional intensity.
Regression Technique
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Traci Kanaan (00:04):
Music, none of what happens on this podcast is
planned in advance. My guests,my clients, are real people with
incredible stories. They aregraciously sharing their
hypnosis session and theirhealing journey with you, the
listener, you will experiencefirst hand, their highs, their
(00:26):
lows and their laps. Hello,
Norma Bowen (00:31):
hello.
Traci Kanaan (00:33):
Happy holidays. Hey you too.
Norma Bowen (00:39):
I've just been I've just gone down a little Amazon
road.
Traci Kanaan (00:45):
Oh, that's easy to do this time of year, right?
Yeah,
Norma Bowen (00:48):
started up a cart full of books. You'd get a real
kick out of this first one thatI've that I've ordered. I've
already heard the audio book,and now I've had to order the
the actual book, Cassia,urbania. Have you ever heard of
her? Okay, she's a Taoist nun,uh, who worked her way through
(01:09):
all of her stuff, all of herdivinity and stuff, by being a
world class dominatrix.
Traci Kanaan (01:18):
Oh, wow. She
Norma Bowen (01:19):
has and she has a school called the Academy in New
York, and she works online, andher book is called unbound.
It's, it's essentially tappinginto your inner DOM and sub and
using using that to ask for whatyou want. Boom, right. And then
(01:44):
while I was on there, up comes,up comes, oh, what was the next
one? Sacred kink? Yeah, yeah.And so I've ordered that one
too. That one's about we getwhat we want, but often what we
want is really dark. And Ithought, Oh, my God, that's so
(02:08):
right. I mean, even as a kid, Iwas so Did you ever watch dark
shadows? Oh, God, God. It wasall vampires and and Gothic,
right? And I wanted to be that,that lonely woman walking the
streets at night with the sad,depressed, horrible woman. And,
(02:29):
you know, so I created that inmy own life. It was, oh,
Traci Kanaan (02:33):
wow, shit.
Norma Bowen (02:36):
Now I gotta read that one. And then there was
another one that came up. Butthey were all, they all had to
do with little bit about kink,but also about give. Oh, that
was the other one. There'sanother one about giving and
receiving. It's like, oh,because it's just great that
you're talking today about thewhole receiving thing, because
that's a real that's a realissue for me. And I totally see
(02:59):
how it's It's all coming upright now. Okay,
Traci Kanaan (03:04):
yeah, giving. And yeah, because some people are
excellent givers, and they don'tknow how to receive, and it
blocks the whole chain. Yeah,blocks it all. And because some
people get joy from giving, too,and when you cut off their
source of joy, you're cuttingoff their source of joy, yeah,
(03:28):
yeah, as well as cutting off anappreciation for yourself, yeah.
So I'm my husband's a giver likethat. He just it's very
difficult for him to acceptstuff, and so I'm like, Don't
block my happy.
Norma Bowen (03:47):
That's a good way of putting it. Yeah, I have,
I've, I've often, I've, I'vealways been, I had a hard time
with receiving you. And youknow, it occurred to me, my my
mother would always say, well,we can't afford it, norm, but
here you go. We can't afford it,but here you go. So that's how I
had to receive everything that,oh, I'm putting you on debt by
(04:11):
by getting what I want. So,yeah, yeah,
Traci Kanaan (04:16):
can't afford it,
Norma Bowen (04:20):
but here you go.
Traci Kanaan (04:24):
All right, we need to just tap that shit out right
now. Oh, honey, yeah, we can'tafford it. We can't afford it,
but here you go. Here you go. Wecan't afford it. Can't afford
it, but you fucking bought itanyway, but you fucking bought
(04:45):
it anyway, and it's mine,
Norma Bowen (04:48):
and it's mine. Oh, my,
Traci Kanaan (04:52):
oh my, I can let it go. I can let it go. It's
safe to let it go. It's. Safe tolet it go. It's an old program.
It's an old program. So all theperson giving me the gift they
couldn't afford learned it too.So
Norma Bowen (05:10):
all the they couldn't afford that they've
learned it too. Yes, I
Traci Kanaan (05:15):
let it go. So I let it go. Take a nice deep
breath in, grab your wrist, blowit away and say, Peace.
Norma Bowen (05:34):
Yeah.
Traci Kanaan (05:36):
Does that feel better? Yeah, much, much. One of
the things I just read thisquote, love the giver more than
the gift,
Norma Bowen (05:46):
oh yeah.
Traci Kanaan (05:49):
And I was like, oh yeah. And 50 some years, never
thought,
Norma Bowen (05:56):
yeah, yeah. It's funny because it I think you
kind of naturally do that withyour kids. When they give you
the the crappy ashtray and youdon't even smoke, right? You
just love them so much that you,of course, I'm going to keep you
This is beautiful, honey, but assoon as they hit like 19,
Traci Kanaan (06:18):
yeah, and you need to remodel,
Norma Bowen (06:22):
yeah, yeah, yeah. We start to, we start judging
the the gift more than the Yeah,yeah, okay, thanks. That's it.
That's a good quote to thinkabout.
Traci Kanaan (06:33):
Oh yeah. That one caught me too. I was just like,
oh wow. All right. Noted, yeah,noted, so, so today's topic is
santinosis. Yeah, we can takethis either way, and maybe we'll
take it both ways, because wegot the time. The for the way
(06:58):
that I was intending to go wasto kind of get back into that
kid like state of everything ismagical, and using Christmas
gift giving, obviously, if youwere raised in a different
faith, go with that. But we canalso do the magic of giving to
(07:21):
the magic of being Santa. Youhave a preference,
Norma Bowen (07:26):
you know, I can't say I do, because Christmas is
it's almost a non thing thesedays for us. So, so yeah,
there's
Traci Kanaan (07:41):
tell me what that means, a non thing,
Norma Bowen (07:55):
it's it's not necessarily a Happy Time for me
and and I think that that alsoit, it also ends up being that
way for my for my kids, who are,you know, they're adults. And it
just, it's forced and difficult.
Traci Kanaan (08:15):
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, forced and difficult. I
call
Okay, and how do you know it'snot a happy time for you?
Norma Bowen (08:32):
Um, what? Yeah, that's interesting. Um, I,
because I've been reflecting onthis a lot. I don't have, I
don't have a lot ofacquaintances here, so I don't
have any invitations to partiesor anything other than the
volunteer appreciation lunch,you know, for the thrift store
(08:57):
that I volunteer at. You know,that kind of thing. So socially,
it feels really isolating forme, and I'm already and I'm
already kind of physicallyisolated, but then I realized,
no, no, this was my choice. Thisis my choice. And, yeah, there's
(09:21):
just this, this sense of,there's always the should there
I should be, I should befestive, and I should be going
to parties, and I should bebaking and going around and
(09:43):
giving people baked goods that Idon't eat myself and and I
should be just all these thingsof what you should be doing,
just because it's this time ofthe year, and I'm just, I'm a
rebel by nature. And I just wantto say you to all of it, okay,
yeah. And I really, I reallywant to, I want to run away at
(10:10):
Christmas, but I want, I want itto be something that I'm going
to rather than running away, youknow, I want to eventually get
down to Mexico for a few monthsevery year, and to be a going to
something rather than runningaway from something,
Traci Kanaan (10:28):
you know, okay, yeah. Well, if you're, if you're
running away from Christmas,going to a Catholic nation is
probably
Norma Bowen (10:40):
even think of that. I did not even think of it. Oh,
my God, just
Traci Kanaan (10:49):
to be Captain Obvious.
Norma Bowen (10:54):
Thank you. Bad news, ganda,
Traci Kanaan (11:00):
yeah, so cool. Okay, so I chose this. Could you
un choose it if you wanted?
And if you were to UN choosethis for your reasons, what
would they be? I
Norma Bowen (11:24):
I could un choose it if I if there were things
that I was actually interestedin going to Okay, and people
that I was actually interestedin spending time with, Okay,
that's it. And maybe what it isis that I'm coming to grips with
the fact that I'm a bit of asnob.
Traci Kanaan (11:45):
Maybe it's, you know, so we, I was talking about
this with a friend of mine lastnight. It's not that you're a
snob, it's just that maybe thesepeople don't share your vibe,
yeah?
Norma Bowen (11:54):
Well, yeah, yeah, that that is it. I'm kind of,
I'm moving into this, this wholemetaphysical era of my life. And
there are a lot of people aroundthat are into this. So yeah,
yeah, I am sort of the woo, wooweirdo and and, yeah, coming to
coming to terms with the factthat, oh, right, I actually have
always been the weird girl inthe corner. And because I've
(12:17):
been judging everybody all thistime, I never saw myself as the
weird girl. I saw myself assomehow better than, and now I
realize that, no, I actually wasjust the weird girl. Hey, I love
the weird girls.
Traci Kanaan (12:30):
So, so, so a couple weeks ago, I'm in David
Snyder's group, and there'sabout 10 of us around the world
that were in his mega platinumprogram, yeah, and he agreed to
host it at my little nudistcommunity, which was hilarious.
(12:51):
So about six of them came down,six or seven of them came down,
and it was awesome, reallyawesome. Uh, and what would he
actually present in the nude?No, oh, no, we actually, we had
the meetings at my office, whichis about a mile and a half up
the road. But one of the suit,one of the students, did go to
(13:12):
one of the other communities andchecked it out, because he was
curious. And like, this is agreat place if you're curious,
and he got to do it before itdropped into the 30s at night.
So yay him. Anyhow, what wasreally cool is Thursday night,
(13:33):
because our retreat startedFriday, I held a Friends of Lou
gathering, and because I there'sa couple people in my community,
you know, nudists tend to bevery nature and little more
earthy. And there's a couple ofthem that I had had
conversations with over theyears, so that are into some
(13:56):
kind of Woo. So like one of thegirls, she does a sound bowl,
Tibetan sound bowl meditation. Iinvited her. I invited my
acupuncturist. I invited, um,He's, um, my board of directors,
and he's really into past liferegression. And then another
couple during COVID ended upwatching everything on gaia.com
(14:18):
and so I invited them all, inaddition to the megas and then
David Snyder. And it was justgreat fun, great fun. I bet
everybody got to share theirWoo. So that might be an
interesting thing that you cando if you wanted put it on
Facebook as just an event.Friends of Lou and in if you
(14:45):
don't want them in your house,do a zoom gathering. But there
might be other people just likeyou out there that it's, you
know, on a different vibrationallevel,
Norma Bowen (14:56):
yeah, it's, it's, it's a it is happening. It's
happening very. Slowly, veryslowly, but, but a woman that's
just sort of reappeared in mylife after like, 30 years
almost, and she's now studyingto become a hypnotherapist, and
she's just just enrolled in theschool that I graduated from a
few years ago. And so those kindof little, little happenstances
(15:22):
are happening. And now she'sgoing to share a table with me
at a metaphysical fair in thespring. Oh, cool. So, yeah, so
it is, it is happening. It ishappening slowly and and which
is kind of how I I like to workslowly. And yeah, I am, I am
(15:43):
pursuing, looking into, youknow, forming little circles
wherever I can, yeah, yeah.Cool, yeah. Cool,
Traci Kanaan (15:53):
cool, yeah. My little friends of woo thing was
a hit. And actually, the onelady was so excited. She goes,
Can we do this every month? AndI was like, Yeah, but you're
going to have to do it because,yeah, my wound capacity right
now. So awesome. So Christmas isa non thing, not a happy time
(16:15):
for me and the kids, forced anddifficult. Not a lot of
acquaintances, except for theChristmas party at the thrift
store. Physically isolating, butyour choice. I should be doing
parties. I should be bakinggoods, but I have this big fuck
(16:35):
you to all of it. I'm trying torun away from Christmas by going
to Catholic based Mexico. So howcould you make the holiday
season the best possible foryou?
Norma Bowen (16:58):
What I am i where I'm putting the changes in now
is I'm, rather than focusing onwhat I should be doing, I'm I'm
focusing on What I want to bedoing
(17:40):
from a, from a, I don't know howto how to put this from a place
of healing, sort of knowing thatif, rather than doing all of the
should ing, what I want to bedoing can be just as
(18:15):
just as I
want to say magnanimous
Traci Kanaan (18:23):
Okay,
Norma Bowen (18:27):
as what I should be doing,
Traci Kanaan (18:29):
alright, I have a fun idea. Do you want to play?
Yeah, okay, alright, so we'll doa mini hypnosis session. I think
I got enough I can. Oh, cool.Alright, so go ahead and close
your eyes. Take a nice deepbreath in when you exhale, just
think to yourself, relax. Takeanother nice deep breath in and
(18:56):
when you exhale, just think toyourself, relax and go ahead and
take another nice deep breathin, and when you exhale, just
think to yourself, relax and goahead and breathe normally.
You're an old pro at hypnosis,so I'm just not going to do a
(19:19):
lengthy induction, if that'sokay, but you can just imagine
what I'd like to be hypnotizedby all the times you've been
hypnotized before happening allat once. As I count down from
five each and every time you'vebeen hypnotized, magnifies more
and more and four dropping down,down, down, and three, nice and
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relaxed, connecting to theground and yet, connecting
above, from three to two,connecting with yourself and. On
one all the way down, all theway down. And what I'd like you
(20:09):
to imagine is that you are inthe most favorite room you've
ever been in your life. It couldbe a room that you had, a place
that you visited, but whereverthis is, I want you to imagine
being in that room, noticingwhat you see, what you hear,
(20:30):
what you taste, what you feel,what you smell. And what's so
special about this room is thatthis is where I'm going to call
it Woo. Santa is coming, Santa,that is everything Woo. And you
can make this Santa astraditional or untraditional as
(20:54):
you want, but woo Santa haseverything you could possibly
want. So go ahead and imagineyourself receiving this visit
from Wu Santa, and he brings youeverything you could ever want.
(21:16):
So go ahead. What are those?Some of some of those things
that he's bringing you, or sheor it, they, them, depending on
your pronouns. Confidence,confidence,
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a tribe, a tribe.
Magnetism magnetism,
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what else?
Norma Bowen (22:20):
Worthiness?
Traci Kanaan (22:22):
Worthiness, fun, fun.
(22:42):
More dogs. More dogs.
What else do?
Norma Bowen (23:04):
Security,
Traci Kanaan (23:06):
security?
Anything else? No. Connection,connection, good. Let's work
(23:31):
with that list for now. And ifyou think of others, feel free
to shout them out at any time.Let's go ahead and start with
confidence. And I want you toimagine Lou Santa brings you
confidence, and I want you tosee yourself trying on that
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confidence, playing with thatconfidence, and what does that
look like for you? So it's a bigsnake. Okay, awesome.
Norma Bowen (24:09):
Using it like a boa, and it's yeah, it's just
Traci Kanaan (24:20):
okay. What do you do with the snake?
Norma Bowen (24:40):
Just having it draped over my shoulders, and
it's giving me a sense of
Traci Kanaan (24:54):
control that
Norma Bowen (24:59):
doesn't come. From power, like a negative kind of
power. It's a it's a controlthat comes from within.
Traci Kanaan (25:16):
Beautiful comes from within, okay, and with that
boa draped over your shoulders,giving you that control that
comes from within, how does thisaffect your tribe? I
Norma Bowen (25:45):
They want one too.
Traci Kanaan (25:48):
They want one too. They're not afraid of it. No,
you're not afraid of beingdifferent. Okay, imagine
yourself with the wholecommunity as big or as little.
(26:09):
That works for you, of peoplewith Boas exhibiting the same
confidence as yourself and
how does that feel?
Norma Bowen (26:32):
It's pretty awesome. I'm seeing the streets
of Lady Smith with with snakesaround their necks and and, and
and passers by are just lookingand saying, oh, I want that.
Traci Kanaan (26:47):
Nice. I want that. Alright. Well, that just kind of
falls right in with magnetism,doesn't it,
Norma Bowen (26:56):
yeah, yeah.
Traci Kanaan (26:59):
So think of the magnetic power that a tribe of
people with snakes as boas, withcontrol that comes from within,
think of how that resonates, andnow tie that into worthiness and
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and fun.
How does this feel?
Unknown (27:45):
Good.
Traci Kanaan (27:48):
And what about security?
Norma Bowen (27:58):
Well, that that big snake. That boa is a boa
constrictor, and it's a verypowerful, dangerous thing. So I,
I actually, it actually is thesecurity that I need right
there. It's a physical securityright there. Perfect
Traci Kanaan (28:17):
physical security. It intimidates people who are
weak in it attracts people whoare strong and bold, doesn't it?
Yeah, yeah, good. What aboutthat sense of connection? I
(28:48):
there's the connection to thesnake and then connection to the
other people in the tribe.
Unknown (28:57):
Once I
Norma Bowen (29:05):
is that they're able to, if they're able to walk
around with a snake around theirneck, that means that they have
they are at that level, thatthat that level of power, that
that sort of energetic level,that that I can actually create
that connection with them. Andso that it's like the snake is
(29:28):
evidence that they're that we'reon the same wavelength, Mm, hmm,
and so the connection is easierand and deeper and more
meaningful and more honest andauthentic.
Traci Kanaan (29:51):
Easier, deeper, more meaningful and authentic.
And honest and honest. Good. Howis all this feeling now? The
(30:14):
confidence, the tribe,magnetism, worthiness, fun,
security and connection. And theconnection is easier, deeper,
more meaningful, authentic andhonest. Yeah,
Norma Bowen (30:32):
it feels really powerful. Mm, hmm.
Traci Kanaan (30:36):
Feels really good. I saved this one for last war
dogs. Yeah, didn't want to bringthe dogs in too soon with all
the snakes.
Norma Bowen (30:50):
Yeah, I volunteer walking dogs. And, Oh, nice. And
I want to walk more. And I'm,I'm house sitting and dog
sitting this weekend. So this issomething else I'm venturing
into, and the whole Mexicothing, going to Mexico to help
(31:12):
with the with the doggies there.That's what I can be running to
Traci Kanaan (31:18):
Nice. So now think of this. This, woo Santa, how
does this change your holiday?
This note that you did this allyourself. I was just your guide
(31:40):
in the whole thing, but you cantap into woo Santa anytime.
Norma Bowen (31:50):
It's, yeah, it's, it's kind of, it's, it's given
me an a new perspective on allall year round. Doesn't just
have to be Christmas, but
(32:19):
it gives me new perspective,
Traci Kanaan (32:22):
because if you were to hold the state most of
the day, you would probablystart To attract these snake
people.
Norma Bowen (32:34):
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Traci Kanaan (32:42):
So think about that, and then being able to
reach out to any one of thesneak people at any time your
tribe.
For myself, I have lots ofacquaintances, but I have a very
tight circle of friends. Yeah,yeah, yeah, I've cultivated that
tight circle over years. And,you know, I approach the the
(33:07):
tight circle is, it's a ebb andflow thing. You know, sometimes
people just cycle out forwhatever reason. They've
changed, they've moved, andthen, you know, somebody takes
their place.
(33:29):
So now, how is your holidayseason feeling for you? Now?
Norma Bowen (33:40):
Less daunting,
Traci Kanaan (33:42):
daunting, okay, all those shoulds. Should be
baking. I should be doingparties. Check in with your
(34:02):
snakes, what do they say?Bucket, yeah. And how does it
feel?
Norma Bowen (34:10):
Fine.
Traci Kanaan (34:11):
It's okay, isn't it? Yeah. So now think of the
gift that you're givingyourself. You're giving yourself
a break from the shoulds anddoing what truly makes you
happy,
(34:38):
and feel the comparison betweenthat. Okay, all right, so we got
the snake tribe going on, andthen Norma, you really should be
baking Christmas cookies. Yeah,where's your happy? Oh, yeah.
Norma Bowen (35:00):
Yeah, I'm I'm over with the Snape tribe. Well, it
just occurred to me today, thewhole the thrift store lunches
this afternoon, I'm not going,I'm walking the dog.
Traci Kanaan (35:13):
That a happier place for you. Yeah? But
Unknown (35:16):
yeah.
Traci Kanaan (35:17):
So now, how does that feel? You're making your
own choices. Are they going tolike you any less because you're
not there,
Norma Bowen (35:27):
they're not even going to notice. There's
hundreds of people there,they're not going to notice. Oh,
Traci Kanaan (35:35):
so it's okay, but you'll make a big difference to
that dog, and maybe that dogwill make a big difference for
you. All right, so let's checkin with snake tribe one more
time. Um, oh, that's right, youreally should be decorating for
(35:57):
the holidays. Hmm?
Norma Bowen (36:04):
I'm lighting candles. That's good enough.
Traci Kanaan (36:06):
Perfect. Your decorations, your way, right?
Yeah, all right. Do you sayanything special when you light
the candle?
Norma Bowen (36:16):
No, but I'm going to start to I'm, I just feel
like I need to have, or I wantto have a little more ritual in
my life. And, yeah, I thinkthat's, that's a good start
there.
Traci Kanaan (36:34):
So you'll create a ritual. And you know, really,
most Christmas religioustraditions all started with
somebody who said, Hey, I shoulddo this ritual. Had it. Some of
them thought on, you know, sogood. Go ahead and take a moment
(36:56):
and thank woo Santa for bringingyou all these gifts, the
confidence tribe, magnetism,worthiness, fun, security,
connection and more dogs. I Hmm.
(37:25):
So thank you, woo Santa forthat, and now let's flip it
around. What will you do withthese gifts? I'm not going to
tell you you should give back,because that's entirely your
(37:45):
choice. What would you like todo with these gifts?
Norma Bowen (37:56):
I want to share it with, with with the people who
have shown an interest.
Traci Kanaan (38:08):
You want to share them with people who've shown an
interest. Cool. And how will youdo that?
Norma Bowen (38:21):
I can't believe this is coming up. Fuck this. It
keeps coming back to doing anaudio, sharing an audio with
I've got, like, over 100 namesthat that entered a draw, that
they didn't get drawn, and Ineed to send them something, you
know, and I, and I want to sendan audio, and I want to start
(38:43):
doing that. I want to startcreating audios and sending them
to to clients and stuff likethat. And awesome, I'm, I feel
so challenged by it, and it's sostupid, because I should be just
fine with it. It's, there'sanother should, you know, okay,
Traci Kanaan (39:00):
oh, I should be doing it all right. But what
would truly make you happy? Um,
Norma Bowen (39:09):
doing that and feeling comfortable, learning
how to do it, learning how to doit and feel comfortable with it,
taking on that challenge. Oh,god, that's it all comes back to
learning how to do it easily andeffortlessly, so that I can just
do it as quickly as it, as it asI can do a ham on a pair of
jeans. Mm, hmm,
Traci Kanaan (39:32):
perfect. Oh, so think about sharing like so one
audio times 100 right? How doesthat feel? One audio, perfect
gift to send out to 100 people.And what if a couple of them are
snake people?
Norma Bowen (39:53):
Yeah, yeah. I know a lot. Them are I connected with
a number of them? Oh, my God,your tribe is right there. Yeah,
yeah, I keep showing up. Okay,so
Traci Kanaan (40:09):
what's who's in the way of you connecting with
this tribe?
Norma Bowen (40:18):
My ego.
Traci Kanaan (40:21):
Oh, your ego, okay, what's your ego doing for
you? Um,
Norma Bowen (40:28):
keeping me separate, keeping me uh, yeah,
just keeping me separate,keeping me safe,
Traci Kanaan (40:35):
okay, keeping me separate and safe. It's keeping
you the weird girl in thecorner, isn't it? Yeah,
Unknown (40:43):
yeah, yeah,
Traci Kanaan (40:44):
okay. All right, so no matter what we do, can
you, can you remain the weirdgirl in the corner? Yeah, okay.
What if you attracted otherweird girls to your corner that
(41:06):
kind of made you happy there.Yeah,
Norma Bowen (41:08):
it does. It does. But, and, and I'm wary, though,
because I have attracted theweird girls and I and, and what
the experience lately has beenthat either I'm too weird for
them or they're too weird forme. Okay, it doesn't last. So
we've gotta find a happy mediumof weird, I guess, or I, oh, I
(41:31):
want to have a larger sphere ofweird acceptance.
Traci Kanaan (41:36):
Perfect. So a larger sphere of weird
acceptance, yeah. And the way todo that, that audio seems like
an easy
Norma Bowen (41:54):
Yeah? And of course, the thing is, is that
it's already created. It'salready there on my computer. I
just need to send it out and andbecause that one's created, and
I know I've done it, I know Ican do it again, Mm, hmm, and
just
Traci Kanaan (42:13):
I can do it again. Alright, so let's get you past
that. You've sent out this audioto 100 people. What do you
experience?
Norma Bowen (42:26):
Such relief? And
Traci Kanaan (42:33):
so it's relief if you send it, yeah, and if you
don't send it, how is that weirdgirl in the corner gonna feel
Norma Bowen (42:46):
even weirder because, oh, obviously, I don't
think I have something worth
Traci Kanaan (42:52):
Sharing. Oh, look at that. Something worth
sharing. Yeah, I
Okay, so let's pile on. Youdon't do anything about this
audio, and that weird girlremains in the corner till the
(43:14):
end of the year, and then youstill don't do anything. So that
weird girl is all by herself inthe corner yet another year and
another year and another yearand another year and another
(43:40):
year, whereas all she had to dowas just send out one shitty
audio.
Oh, fuck. Oh, Tracy, I
Norma Bowen (43:55):
have such I have such ideas for for others too.
They don't have to be shitty.And, and,
Traci Kanaan (44:02):
oh man,
Norma Bowen (44:04):
I just, I'm, yeah, I'm just constantly stopping
myself from doing things that II know that I want to do.
Traci Kanaan (44:13):
So if you don't do it for yourself, can you do it
for the weird girl in thecorner?
Unknown (44:18):
Yeah,
Traci Kanaan (44:21):
because she's lonely, and you may attract some
people that aren't truly part ofyour tribe, but that's okay.
They usually don't hang long.
(44:45):
Good. So turn this around. What?What is the next smallest step
you can do to send out thataudio you.
Norma Bowen (45:13):
There's, you know, there's nothing stopping me from
just doing it. My My daughter isshe's actually done all of the
data entry for me. The contactsare there, and the in the email
list and and there's really notmuch stopping me from doing it
other writing a cover letter.Okay, I can writing a cover
(45:36):
letter.
Traci Kanaan (45:37):
Writing a cover letter. Let me help you out.
Happy holidays.
Norma Bowen (45:47):
Happy crappy holidays. If you're anything
like me, they suck kinda alittle bit. So audio that helps
you connect with yourself,because that's what it is. It's
connecting hand and heart andgut and yeah,
Traci Kanaan (46:08):
good. All right, so you got the cover letter, and
you send it out. And whathappens next?
Norma Bowen (46:35):
I get responses from people, and people start
booking discovery calls,
Traci Kanaan (46:41):
perfect.
How does that feel? Kind ofsurprising, yeah, and then you
find more snake people, yeah,
Unknown (46:58):
yeah,
Traci Kanaan (47:02):
awesome. And what you've also done there is that
you've completed the giving andreceiving cycle. I'm sorry
receiving and giving, becauseyou receive these gifts from Lu
Santa, and now you're re giftingthem in the best possible way
(47:22):
that you become Lu Santa.
Does that make sense? Yeah,cool. Feel that connection, that
cycle of giving and receiving,receiving the gifts from Lu
Santa, and then giving the giftsto others, so that you become Lu
(47:45):
Santa
and feel that connection, thatpattern that circle over and
over, that giving and receiving,so that you're continuing the
(48:10):
flow of giving and Receivinginstead of stopping it at the
giving part and
you might even encourage thepeople you send it to to share
(48:31):
it with others so that you canreach even more people you
I go ahead and breathe in howgood. That feels.
(48:58):
Good make this sensation sostrong inside you that nobody
can take it away, not even youthe cycle of giving and
receiving, knowing that beforethe day is over, you will record
this audio and this coverletter, because you skipped the
(49:23):
thrift store dance, not anexcuse. Thrift Store party and
knock it out.
Good. Give me a nod when you gotit. Awesome. All right, I'm
(49:44):
going to count from one to five,but when I get back to five,
you'll return to your regularwaking consciousness, starting
with one, connecting with wooSanta and two. Giving and
receiving, keeping that cyclegoing and flowing. And three, so
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that you become Lu Santa andencouraging others to join your
snake truck. And four,reconnecting with all the
goodness that's you. And 1234,confidence, tribe, magnetism,
(50:30):
worthiness, fun, security andconnection with more dogs on
five, eyes open, wide, awake.
Oh,
Norma Bowen (50:49):
fabulous, holy shit. That was just that was
awesome. Thank you.
Traci Kanaan (50:56):
Oh, you're so welcome.
Norma Bowen (50:58):
Oh, I love that. And I think one of the best
things about IT WAS WOO, WOOSanta was really, really sexy.
Oh,
Traci Kanaan (51:06):
perfect, yeah,
Norma Bowen (51:07):
yeah, yeah, that that was wonderful. So tell me,
did you, did you already havethis in your, in your toolkit,
or is this something that you'vejust come up with? Or what,
what? Tell me, how did you how'dthat happen?
Traci Kanaan (51:27):
Santinosis is a derivative of superhero
hypnosis. And then what I do theyear before I did Yoda Gnosis,
so I pick characters that havequalities that my client needs.
And because it was the holidays,I just went with Santa Gnosis.
(51:47):
But when you weren't, you know,a traditional, you know, I
bounced off the memories as akid, and it didn't appear that
you had any that you were intouch with. It was like,
alright, new direction. And so Ijust flowed. And then, so I went
with woo Santa, because thegifts that you wanted were wooy,
(52:07):
yeah, yeah, wooey, yeah. Sowhat? So, yeah, finding those
characters and creating, youknow, on the fly,
Norma Bowen (52:20):
yeah, I love it. It's fabulous. So,
Traci Kanaan (52:23):
so the lesson here was the giving and the
receiving. You know, Santa's agiver, bad receiver.
Norma Bowen (52:36):
Oh, that, yeah, yeah. I really, I have no idea
where the snake came from.That's that was just fucking way
out of the world. The only thingI can think of is, it is the
other day my my daughter,noticed that there's a
production of Nosferatu. I guessthere's a new a new film. And I
(53:00):
was getting all up, up in armsabout that. Oh no, sir. Oh God,
is are you talking about the oldone, or the one with Palace
Kinski? Do you know who callsKinski? That's Natasha Kinski,
dad. And then I've been thinkingabout Natasha Kinski and the
snake poster for the past threedays. So that's the only that's
the only reason why I wouldthink that the snake would come
(53:20):
up. Just the weirdest thing. Ijust love it. I mean, love it,
Traci Kanaan (53:25):
you know, it didn't matter. Doesn't matter.
Norma Bowen (53:27):
No, who cares? It's, yeah, it's very,
Traci Kanaan (53:29):
I would trust your first impressions, because
there's something in there andso, but with the snake, it was,
you know, it was a boaconstrictor. So it's very, it's
protecting you. It's, it's closeto you. Um, yeah,
Norma Bowen (53:45):
it wasn't a boa constrictor, though. It was a it
was one of those yellow it was along yellow one. Oh, okay, but
it was but, but I was using itas a boa, like a feather, is
what I meant by that. But here'sno another thing that just came
to me, but I, while I was inMexico, I had a Mayan astrology
chart done, and apparently my myspirit animal is serpent. So
(54:11):
there you go. That's there'sanother reason why it's coming
up. Oh so cool. Fuck. I lovethis shit and and thank you.
You. I feel like you've justsort of reaffirmed my faith in
what we do, because I get, I,yeah, I just start to lose faith
in in what I do, because I'mnot, I don't get a lot of
(54:32):
clients because I'm not reallyputting myself out there. Mm,
hmm. So yeah, just put myselfout there a little more, right?
Traci Kanaan (54:40):
That's it. Yeah, it's definitely it so awesome.
Well, good. I'm so glad youenjoyed this. I think I'm
actually going to make this ahilarious hypnotist episode,
because this fits the fits inwith the concept of creative
hypnosis. Yeah. Really doeslittle bit of laughter, so No
(55:02):
kidding.
Norma Bowen (55:03):
Yeah, that's another thing. Thank you so
much. I really find that, Idon't know if it's that, because
you, I know that there's alwayslaughter underneath what you're
doing, and it really, it feedsme as well, because that could
have, that could have been areally heavy, sad thing, and it
(55:23):
wasn't. It just felt reallylight and and joyful. So yeah, I
really appreciate that aboutwhat you do, and I want that's,
that's why I'm here talking toyou, so I can help. I can view
myself with it as well. Yeah.
Traci Kanaan (55:37):
So yeah, with the regression, there's a time and
place for it. You know, ofcourse, hypnotherapy schools,
that's their bread and butter,so everybody should do
regression. But I just rememberthe first time I saw somebody
kicking and screaming andpunching a pillow, and I was
like, oh, fuck no, I'm spending40 hours a week with that. Yeah,
Unknown (55:59):
yeah.
Traci Kanaan (56:00):
There's other ways to get the change that you want,
I mean, and but there's a timesometimes you just need to punch
a pillow and get it out of yoursystem. But
Norma Bowen (56:13):
not every time, not every
Traci Kanaan (56:15):
time, Yep, yeah. So typically, a lot of my
clients are ones that are tiredof crying, and they're like, I
need a new approach. Yeah,
Norma Bowen (56:25):
yeah. That's, that's essentially what I say to
people, don't, don't come to meif you, if you still want to
talk about it and process it,get get all that done with
someone else. Yeah, come to mewhen you want to do you know,
just get rid of it, release it.Yeah, yeah, yeah. So
Traci Kanaan (56:39):
awesome.
Unknown (56:40):
Thank you.
Traci Kanaan (56:41):
Thank you so much. And Deb couldn't join us. She's
having some family health thatshe's going through, yeah, so,
but I'll make sure she gets acopy of this as well. So,
alright, alright, thanks. Well,have a great holiday season, and
thank you. You too. We'll catchyou, I think after the first of
(57:04):
the year, that's right, okay?All right, take care. All right.
Bye, bye. You.
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lows and their laps. Hello,
Norma Bowen (00:31):
hello.
Traci Kanaan (00:33):
Happy holidays. Hey you too.
Norma Bowen (00:39):
I've just been I've just gone down a little Amazon
road.
Traci Kanaan (00:45):
Oh, that's easy to do this time of year, right?
Yeah,
Norma Bowen (00:48):
started up a cart full of books. You'd get a real
kick out of this first one thatI've that I've ordered. I've
already heard the audio book,and now I've had to order the
the actual book, Cassia,urbania. Have you ever heard of
her? Okay, she's a Taoist nun,uh, who worked her way through
(01:09):
all of her stuff, all of herdivinity and stuff, by being a
world class dominatrix.
Traci Kanaan (01:18):
Oh, wow. She
Norma Bowen (01:19):
has and she has a school called the Academy in New
York, and she works online, andher book is called unbound.
It's, it's essentially tappinginto your inner DOM and sub and
using using that to ask for whatyou want. Boom, right. And then
(01:44):
while I was on there, up comes,up comes, oh, what was the next
one? Sacred kink? Yeah, yeah.And so I've ordered that one
too. That one's about we getwhat we want, but often what we
want is really dark. And Ithought, Oh, my God, that's so
(02:08):
right. I mean, even as a kid, Iwas so Did you ever watch dark
shadows? Oh, God, God. It wasall vampires and and Gothic,
right? And I wanted to be that,that lonely woman walking the
streets at night with the sad,depressed, horrible woman. And,
(02:29):
you know, so I created that inmy own life. It was, oh,
Traci Kanaan (02:33):
wow, shit.
Norma Bowen (02:36):
Now I gotta read that one. And then there was
another one that came up. Butthey were all, they all had to
do with little bit about kink,but also about give. Oh, that
was the other one. There'sanother one about giving and
receiving. It's like, oh,because it's just great that
you're talking today about thewhole receiving thing, because
that's a real that's a realissue for me. And I totally see
(02:59):
how it's It's all coming upright now. Okay,
Traci Kanaan (03:04):
yeah, giving. And yeah, because some people are
excellent givers, and they don'tknow how to receive, and it
blocks the whole chain. Yeah,blocks it all. And because some
people get joy from giving, too,and when you cut off their
source of joy, you're cuttingoff their source of joy, yeah,
(03:28):
yeah, as well as cutting off anappreciation for yourself, yeah.
So I'm my husband's a giver likethat. He just it's very
difficult for him to acceptstuff, and so I'm like, Don't
block my happy.
Norma Bowen (03:47):
That's a good way of putting it. Yeah, I have,
I've, I've often, I've, I'vealways been, I had a hard time
with receiving you. And youknow, it occurred to me, my my
mother would always say, well,we can't afford it, norm, but
here you go. We can't afford it,but here you go. So that's how I
had to receive everything that,oh, I'm putting you on debt by
(04:11):
by getting what I want. So,yeah, yeah,
Traci Kanaan (04:16):
can't afford it,
Norma Bowen (04:20):
but here you go.
Traci Kanaan (04:24):
All right, we need to just tap that shit out right
now. Oh, honey, yeah, we can'tafford it. We can't afford it,
but here you go. Here you go. Wecan't afford it. Can't afford
it, but you fucking bought itanyway, but you fucking bought
(04:45):
it anyway, and it's mine,
Norma Bowen (04:48):
and it's mine. Oh, my,
Traci Kanaan (04:52):
oh my, I can let it go. I can let it go. It's
safe to let it go. It's. Safe tolet it go. It's an old program.
It's an old program. So all theperson giving me the gift they
couldn't afford learned it too.So
Norma Bowen (05:10):
all the they couldn't afford that they've
learned it too. Yes, I
Traci Kanaan (05:15):
let it go. So I let it go. Take a nice deep
breath in, grab your wrist, blowit away and say, Peace.
Norma Bowen (05:34):
Yeah.
Traci Kanaan (05:36):
Does that feel better? Yeah, much, much. One of
the things I just read thisquote, love the giver more than
the gift,
Norma Bowen (05:46):
oh yeah.
Traci Kanaan (05:49):
And I was like, oh yeah. And 50 some years, never
thought,
Norma Bowen (05:56):
yeah, yeah. It's funny because it I think you
kind of naturally do that withyour kids. When they give you
the the crappy ashtray and youdon't even smoke, right? You
just love them so much that you,of course, I'm going to keep you
This is beautiful, honey, but assoon as they hit like 19,
Traci Kanaan (06:18):
yeah, and you need to remodel,
Norma Bowen (06:22):
yeah, yeah, yeah. We start to, we start judging
the the gift more than the Yeah,yeah, okay, thanks. That's it.
That's a good quote to thinkabout.
Traci Kanaan (06:33):
Oh yeah. That one caught me too. I was just like,
oh wow. All right. Noted, yeah,noted, so, so today's topic is
santinosis. Yeah, we can takethis either way, and maybe we'll
take it both ways, because wegot the time. The for the way
(06:58):
that I was intending to go wasto kind of get back into that
kid like state of everything ismagical, and using Christmas
gift giving, obviously, if youwere raised in a different
faith, go with that. But we canalso do the magic of giving to
(07:21):
the magic of being Santa. Youhave a preference,
Norma Bowen (07:26):
you know, I can't say I do, because Christmas is
it's almost a non thing thesedays for us. So, so yeah,
there's
Traci Kanaan (07:41):
tell me what that means, a non thing,
Norma Bowen (07:55):
it's it's not necessarily a Happy Time for me
and and I think that that alsoit, it also ends up being that
way for my for my kids, who are,you know, they're adults. And it
just, it's forced and difficult.
Traci Kanaan (08:15):
Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, forced and difficult. I
call
Okay, and how do you know it'snot a happy time for you?
Norma Bowen (08:32):
Um, what? Yeah, that's interesting. Um, I,
because I've been reflecting onthis a lot. I don't have, I
don't have a lot ofacquaintances here, so I don't
have any invitations to partiesor anything other than the
volunteer appreciation lunch,you know, for the thrift store
(08:57):
that I volunteer at. You know,that kind of thing. So socially,
it feels really isolating forme, and I'm already and I'm
already kind of physicallyisolated, but then I realized,
no, no, this was my choice. Thisis my choice. And, yeah, there's
(09:21):
just this, this sense of,there's always the should there
I should be, I should befestive, and I should be going
to parties, and I should bebaking and going around and
(09:43):
giving people baked goods that Idon't eat myself and and I
should be just all these thingsof what you should be doing,
just because it's this time ofthe year, and I'm just, I'm a
rebel by nature. And I just wantto say you to all of it, okay,
yeah. And I really, I reallywant to, I want to run away at
(10:10):
Christmas, but I want, I want itto be something that I'm going
to rather than running away, youknow, I want to eventually get
down to Mexico for a few monthsevery year, and to be a going to
something rather than runningaway from something,
Traci Kanaan (10:28):
you know, okay, yeah. Well, if you're, if you're
running away from Christmas,going to a Catholic nation is
probably
Norma Bowen (10:40):
even think of that. I did not even think of it. Oh,
my God, just
Traci Kanaan (10:49):
to be Captain Obvious.
Norma Bowen (10:54):
Thank you. Bad news, ganda,
Traci Kanaan (11:00):
yeah, so cool. Okay, so I chose this. Could you
un choose it if you wanted?
And if you were to UN choosethis for your reasons, what
would they be? I
Norma Bowen (11:24):
I could un choose it if I if there were things
that I was actually interestedin going to Okay, and people
that I was actually interestedin spending time with, Okay,
that's it. And maybe what it isis that I'm coming to grips with
the fact that I'm a bit of asnob.
Traci Kanaan (11:45):
Maybe it's, you know, so we, I was talking about
this with a friend of mine lastnight. It's not that you're a
snob, it's just that maybe thesepeople don't share your vibe,
yeah?
Norma Bowen (11:54):
Well, yeah, yeah, that that is it. I'm kind of,
I'm moving into this, this wholemetaphysical era of my life. And
there are a lot of people aroundthat are into this. So yeah,
yeah, I am sort of the woo, wooweirdo and and, yeah, coming to
coming to terms with the factthat, oh, right, I actually have
always been the weird girl inthe corner. And because I've
(12:17):
been judging everybody all thistime, I never saw myself as the
weird girl. I saw myself assomehow better than, and now I
realize that, no, I actually wasjust the weird girl. Hey, I love
the weird girls.
Traci Kanaan (12:30):
So, so, so a couple weeks ago, I'm in David
Snyder's group, and there'sabout 10 of us around the world
that were in his mega platinumprogram, yeah, and he agreed to
host it at my little nudistcommunity, which was hilarious.
(12:51):
So about six of them came down,six or seven of them came down,
and it was awesome, reallyawesome. Uh, and what would he
actually present in the nude?No, oh, no, we actually, we had
the meetings at my office, whichis about a mile and a half up
the road. But one of the suit,one of the students, did go to
(13:12):
one of the other communities andchecked it out, because he was
curious. And like, this is agreat place if you're curious,
and he got to do it before itdropped into the 30s at night.
So yay him. Anyhow, what wasreally cool is Thursday night,
(13:33):
because our retreat startedFriday, I held a Friends of Lou
gathering, and because I there'sa couple people in my community,
you know, nudists tend to bevery nature and little more
earthy. And there's a couple ofthem that I had had
conversations with over theyears, so that are into some
(13:56):
kind of Woo. So like one of thegirls, she does a sound bowl,
Tibetan sound bowl meditation. Iinvited her. I invited my
acupuncturist. I invited, um,He's, um, my board of directors,
and he's really into past liferegression. And then another
couple during COVID ended upwatching everything on gaia.com
(14:18):
and so I invited them all, inaddition to the megas and then
David Snyder. And it was justgreat fun, great fun. I bet
everybody got to share theirWoo. So that might be an
interesting thing that you cando if you wanted put it on
Facebook as just an event.Friends of Lou and in if you
(14:45):
don't want them in your house,do a zoom gathering. But there
might be other people just likeyou out there that it's, you
know, on a different vibrationallevel,
Norma Bowen (14:56):
yeah, it's, it's, it's a it is happening. It's
happening very. Slowly, veryslowly, but, but a woman that's
just sort of reappeared in mylife after like, 30 years
almost, and she's now studyingto become a hypnotherapist, and
she's just just enrolled in theschool that I graduated from a
few years ago. And so those kindof little, little happenstances
(15:22):
are happening. And now she'sgoing to share a table with me
at a metaphysical fair in thespring. Oh, cool. So, yeah, so
it is, it is happening. It ishappening slowly and and which
is kind of how I I like to workslowly. And yeah, I am, I am
(15:43):
pursuing, looking into, youknow, forming little circles
wherever I can, yeah, yeah.Cool, yeah. Cool,
Traci Kanaan (15:53):
cool, yeah. My little friends of woo thing was
a hit. And actually, the onelady was so excited. She goes,
Can we do this every month? AndI was like, Yeah, but you're
going to have to do it because,yeah, my wound capacity right
now. So awesome. So Christmas isa non thing, not a happy time
(16:15):
for me and the kids, forced anddifficult. Not a lot of
acquaintances, except for theChristmas party at the thrift
store. Physically isolating, butyour choice. I should be doing
parties. I should be bakinggoods, but I have this big fuck
(16:35):
you to all of it. I'm trying torun away from Christmas by going
to Catholic based Mexico. So howcould you make the holiday
season the best possible foryou?
Norma Bowen (16:58):
What I am i where I'm putting the changes in now
is I'm, rather than focusing onwhat I should be doing, I'm I'm
focusing on What I want to bedoing
(17:40):
from a, from a, I don't know howto how to put this from a place
of healing, sort of knowing thatif, rather than doing all of the
should ing, what I want to bedoing can be just as
(18:15):
just as I
want to say magnanimous
Traci Kanaan (18:23):
Okay,
Norma Bowen (18:27):
as what I should be doing,
Traci Kanaan (18:29):
alright, I have a fun idea. Do you want to play?
Yeah, okay, alright, so we'll doa mini hypnosis session. I think
I got enough I can. Oh, cool.Alright, so go ahead and close
your eyes. Take a nice deepbreath in when you exhale, just
think to yourself, relax. Takeanother nice deep breath in and
(18:56):
when you exhale, just think toyourself, relax and go ahead and
take another nice deep breathin, and when you exhale, just
think to yourself, relax and goahead and breathe normally.
You're an old pro at hypnosis,so I'm just not going to do a
(19:19):
lengthy induction, if that'sokay, but you can just imagine
what I'd like to be hypnotizedby all the times you've been
hypnotized before happening allat once. As I count down from
five each and every time you'vebeen hypnotized, magnifies more
and more and four dropping down,down, down, and three, nice and
(19:46):
relaxed, connecting to theground and yet, connecting
above, from three to two,connecting with yourself and. On
one all the way down, all theway down. And what I'd like you
(20:09):
to imagine is that you are inthe most favorite room you've
ever been in your life. It couldbe a room that you had, a place
that you visited, but whereverthis is, I want you to imagine
being in that room, noticingwhat you see, what you hear,
(20:30):
what you taste, what you feel,what you smell. And what's so
special about this room is thatthis is where I'm going to call
it Woo. Santa is coming, Santa,that is everything Woo. And you
can make this Santa astraditional or untraditional as
(20:54):
you want, but woo Santa haseverything you could possibly
want. So go ahead and imagineyourself receiving this visit
from Wu Santa, and he brings youeverything you could ever want.
(21:16):
So go ahead. What are those?Some of some of those things
that he's bringing you, or sheor it, they, them, depending on
your pronouns. Confidence,confidence,
(21:45):
a tribe, a tribe.
Magnetism magnetism,
(22:09):
what else?
Norma Bowen (22:20):
Worthiness?
Traci Kanaan (22:22):
Worthiness, fun, fun.
(22:42):
More dogs. More dogs.
What else do?
Norma Bowen (23:04):
Security,
Traci Kanaan (23:06):
security?
Anything else? No. Connection,connection, good. Let's work
(23:31):
with that list for now. And ifyou think of others, feel free
to shout them out at any time.Let's go ahead and start with
confidence. And I want you toimagine Lou Santa brings you
confidence, and I want you tosee yourself trying on that
(23:52):
confidence, playing with thatconfidence, and what does that
look like for you? So it's a bigsnake. Okay, awesome.
Norma Bowen (24:09):
Using it like a boa, and it's yeah, it's just
Traci Kanaan (24:20):
okay. What do you do with the snake?
Norma Bowen (24:40):
Just having it draped over my shoulders, and
it's giving me a sense of
Traci Kanaan (24:54):
control that
Norma Bowen (24:59):
doesn't come. From power, like a negative kind of
power. It's a it's a controlthat comes from within.
Traci Kanaan (25:16):
Beautiful comes from within, okay, and with that
boa draped over your shoulders,giving you that control that
comes from within, how does thisaffect your tribe? I
Norma Bowen (25:45):
They want one too.
Traci Kanaan (25:48):
They want one too. They're not afraid of it. No,
you're not afraid of beingdifferent. Okay, imagine
yourself with the wholecommunity as big or as little.
(26:09):
That works for you, of peoplewith Boas exhibiting the same
confidence as yourself and
how does that feel?
Norma Bowen (26:32):
It's pretty awesome. I'm seeing the streets
of Lady Smith with with snakesaround their necks and and, and
and passers by are just lookingand saying, oh, I want that.
Traci Kanaan (26:47):
Nice. I want that. Alright. Well, that just kind of
falls right in with magnetism,doesn't it,
Norma Bowen (26:56):
yeah, yeah.
Traci Kanaan (26:59):
So think of the magnetic power that a tribe of
people with snakes as boas, withcontrol that comes from within,
think of how that resonates, andnow tie that into worthiness and
(27:31):
and fun.
How does this feel?
Unknown (27:45):
Good.
Traci Kanaan (27:48):
And what about security?
Norma Bowen (27:58):
Well, that that big snake. That boa is a boa
constrictor, and it's a verypowerful, dangerous thing. So I,
I actually, it actually is thesecurity that I need right
there. It's a physical securityright there. Perfect
Traci Kanaan (28:17):
physical security. It intimidates people who are
weak in it attracts people whoare strong and bold, doesn't it?
Yeah, yeah, good. What aboutthat sense of connection? I
(28:48):
there's the connection to thesnake and then connection to the
other people in the tribe.
Unknown (28:57):
Once I
Norma Bowen (29:05):
is that they're able to, if they're able to walk
around with a snake around theirneck, that means that they have
they are at that level, thatthat that level of power, that
that sort of energetic level,that that I can actually create
that connection with them. Andso that it's like the snake is
(29:28):
evidence that they're that we'reon the same wavelength, Mm, hmm,
and so the connection is easierand and deeper and more
meaningful and more honest andauthentic.
Traci Kanaan (29:51):
Easier, deeper, more meaningful and authentic.
And honest and honest. Good. Howis all this feeling now? The
(30:14):
confidence, the tribe,magnetism, worthiness, fun,
security and connection. And theconnection is easier, deeper,
more meaningful, authentic andhonest. Yeah,
Norma Bowen (30:32):
it feels really powerful. Mm, hmm.
Traci Kanaan (30:36):
Feels really good. I saved this one for last war
dogs. Yeah, didn't want to bringthe dogs in too soon with all
the snakes.
Norma Bowen (30:50):
Yeah, I volunteer walking dogs. And, Oh, nice. And
I want to walk more. And I'm,I'm house sitting and dog
sitting this weekend. So this issomething else I'm venturing
into, and the whole Mexicothing, going to Mexico to help
(31:12):
with the with the doggies there.That's what I can be running to
Traci Kanaan (31:18):
Nice. So now think of this. This, woo Santa, how
does this change your holiday?
This note that you did this allyourself. I was just your guide
(31:40):
in the whole thing, but you cantap into woo Santa anytime.
Norma Bowen (31:50):
It's, yeah, it's, it's kind of, it's, it's given
me an a new perspective on allall year round. Doesn't just
have to be Christmas, but
(32:19):
it gives me new perspective,
Traci Kanaan (32:22):
because if you were to hold the state most of
the day, you would probablystart To attract these snake
people.
Norma Bowen (32:34):
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Traci Kanaan (32:42):
So think about that, and then being able to
reach out to any one of thesneak people at any time your
tribe.
For myself, I have lots ofacquaintances, but I have a very
tight circle of friends. Yeah,yeah, yeah, I've cultivated that
tight circle over years. And,you know, I approach the the
(33:07):
tight circle is, it's a ebb andflow thing. You know, sometimes
people just cycle out forwhatever reason. They've
changed, they've moved, andthen, you know, somebody takes
their place.
(33:29):
So now, how is your holidayseason feeling for you? Now?
Norma Bowen (33:40):
Less daunting,
Traci Kanaan (33:42):
daunting, okay, all those shoulds. Should be
baking. I should be doingparties. Check in with your
(34:02):
snakes, what do they say?Bucket, yeah. And how does it
feel?
Norma Bowen (34:10):
Fine.
Traci Kanaan (34:11):
It's okay, isn't it? Yeah. So now think of the
gift that you're givingyourself. You're giving yourself
a break from the shoulds anddoing what truly makes you
happy,
(34:38):
and feel the comparison betweenthat. Okay, all right, so we got
the snake tribe going on, andthen Norma, you really should be
baking Christmas cookies. Yeah,where's your happy? Oh, yeah.
Norma Bowen (35:00):
Yeah, I'm I'm over with the Snape tribe. Well, it
just occurred to me today, thewhole the thrift store lunches
this afternoon, I'm not going,I'm walking the dog.
Traci Kanaan (35:13):
That a happier place for you. Yeah? But
Unknown (35:16):
yeah.
Traci Kanaan (35:17):
So now, how does that feel? You're making your
own choices. Are they going tolike you any less because you're
not there,
Norma Bowen (35:27):
they're not even going to notice. There's
hundreds of people there,they're not going to notice. Oh,
Traci Kanaan (35:35):
so it's okay, but you'll make a big difference to
that dog, and maybe that dogwill make a big difference for
you. All right, so let's checkin with snake tribe one more
time. Um, oh, that's right, youreally should be decorating for
(35:57):
the holidays. Hmm?
Norma Bowen (36:04):
I'm lighting candles. That's good enough.
Traci Kanaan (36:06):
Perfect. Your decorations, your way, right?
Yeah, all right. Do you sayanything special when you light
the candle?
Norma Bowen (36:16):
No, but I'm going to start to I'm, I just feel
like I need to have, or I wantto have a little more ritual in
my life. And, yeah, I thinkthat's, that's a good start
there.
Traci Kanaan (36:34):
So you'll create a ritual. And you know, really,
most Christmas religioustraditions all started with
somebody who said, Hey, I shoulddo this ritual. Had it. Some of
them thought on, you know, sogood. Go ahead and take a moment
(36:56):
and thank woo Santa for bringingyou all these gifts, the
confidence tribe, magnetism,worthiness, fun, security,
connection and more dogs. I Hmm.
(37:25):
So thank you, woo Santa forthat, and now let's flip it
around. What will you do withthese gifts? I'm not going to
tell you you should give back,because that's entirely your
(37:45):
choice. What would you like todo with these gifts?
Norma Bowen (37:56):
I want to share it with, with with the people who
have shown an interest.
Traci Kanaan (38:08):
You want to share them with people who've shown an
interest. Cool. And how will youdo that?
Norma Bowen (38:21):
I can't believe this is coming up. Fuck this. It
keeps coming back to doing anaudio, sharing an audio with
I've got, like, over 100 namesthat that entered a draw, that
they didn't get drawn, and Ineed to send them something, you
know, and I, and I want to sendan audio, and I want to start
(38:43):
doing that. I want to startcreating audios and sending them
to to clients and stuff likethat. And awesome, I'm, I feel
so challenged by it, and it's sostupid, because I should be just
fine with it. It's, there'sanother should, you know, okay,
Traci Kanaan (39:00):
oh, I should be doing it all right. But what
would truly make you happy? Um,
Norma Bowen (39:09):
doing that and feeling comfortable, learning
how to do it, learning how to doit and feel comfortable with it,
taking on that challenge. Oh,god, that's it all comes back to
learning how to do it easily andeffortlessly, so that I can just
do it as quickly as it, as it asI can do a ham on a pair of
jeans. Mm, hmm,
Traci Kanaan (39:32):
perfect. Oh, so think about sharing like so one
audio times 100 right? How doesthat feel? One audio, perfect
gift to send out to 100 people.And what if a couple of them are
snake people?
Norma Bowen (39:53):
Yeah, yeah. I know a lot. Them are I connected with
a number of them? Oh, my God,your tribe is right there. Yeah,
yeah, I keep showing up. Okay,so
Traci Kanaan (40:09):
what's who's in the way of you connecting with
this tribe?
Norma Bowen (40:18):
My ego.
Traci Kanaan (40:21):
Oh, your ego, okay, what's your ego doing for
you? Um,
Norma Bowen (40:28):
keeping me separate, keeping me uh, yeah,
just keeping me separate,keeping me safe,
Traci Kanaan (40:35):
okay, keeping me separate and safe. It's keeping
you the weird girl in thecorner, isn't it? Yeah,
Unknown (40:43):
yeah, yeah,
Traci Kanaan (40:44):
okay. All right, so no matter what we do, can
you, can you remain the weirdgirl in the corner? Yeah, okay.
What if you attracted otherweird girls to your corner that
(41:06):
kind of made you happy there.Yeah,
Norma Bowen (41:08):
it does. It does. But, and, and I'm wary, though,
because I have attracted theweird girls and I and, and what
the experience lately has beenthat either I'm too weird for
them or they're too weird forme. Okay, it doesn't last. So
we've gotta find a happy mediumof weird, I guess, or I, oh, I
(41:31):
want to have a larger sphere ofweird acceptance.
Traci Kanaan (41:36):
Perfect. So a larger sphere of weird
acceptance, yeah. And the way todo that, that audio seems like
an easy
Norma Bowen (41:54):
Yeah? And of course, the thing is, is that
it's already created. It'salready there on my computer. I
just need to send it out and andbecause that one's created, and
I know I've done it, I know Ican do it again, Mm, hmm, and
just
Traci Kanaan (42:13):
I can do it again. Alright, so let's get you past
that. You've sent out this audioto 100 people. What do you
experience?
Norma Bowen (42:26):
Such relief? And
Traci Kanaan (42:33):
so it's relief if you send it, yeah, and if you
don't send it, how is that weirdgirl in the corner gonna feel
Norma Bowen (42:46):
even weirder because, oh, obviously, I don't
think I have something worth
Traci Kanaan (42:52):
Sharing. Oh, look at that. Something worth
sharing. Yeah, I
Okay, so let's pile on. Youdon't do anything about this
audio, and that weird girlremains in the corner till the
(43:14):
end of the year, and then youstill don't do anything. So that
weird girl is all by herself inthe corner yet another year and
another year and another yearand another year and another
(43:40):
year, whereas all she had to dowas just send out one shitty
audio.
Oh, fuck. Oh, Tracy, I
Norma Bowen (43:55):
have such I have such ideas for for others too.
They don't have to be shitty.And, and,
Traci Kanaan (44:02):
oh man,
Norma Bowen (44:04):
I just, I'm, yeah, I'm just constantly stopping
myself from doing things that II know that I want to do.
Traci Kanaan (44:13):
So if you don't do it for yourself, can you do it
for the weird girl in thecorner?
Unknown (44:18):
Yeah,
Traci Kanaan (44:21):
because she's lonely, and you may attract some
people that aren't truly part ofyour tribe, but that's okay.
They usually don't hang long.
(44:45):
Good. So turn this around. What?What is the next smallest step
you can do to send out thataudio you.
Norma Bowen (45:13):
There's, you know, there's nothing stopping me from
just doing it. My My daughter isshe's actually done all of the
data entry for me. The contactsare there, and the in the email
list and and there's really notmuch stopping me from doing it
other writing a cover letter.Okay, I can writing a cover
(45:36):
letter.
Traci Kanaan (45:37):
Writing a cover letter. Let me help you out.
Happy holidays.
Norma Bowen (45:47):
Happy crappy holidays. If you're anything
like me, they suck kinda alittle bit. So audio that helps
you connect with yourself,because that's what it is. It's
connecting hand and heart andgut and yeah,
Traci Kanaan (46:08):
good. All right, so you got the cover letter, and
you send it out. And whathappens next?
Norma Bowen (46:35):
I get responses from people, and people start
booking discovery calls,
Traci Kanaan (46:41):
perfect.
How does that feel? Kind ofsurprising, yeah, and then you
find more snake people, yeah,
Unknown (46:58):
yeah,
Traci Kanaan (47:02):
awesome. And what you've also done there is that
you've completed the giving andreceiving cycle. I'm sorry
receiving and giving, becauseyou receive these gifts from Lu
Santa, and now you're re giftingthem in the best possible way
(47:22):
that you become Lu Santa.
Does that make sense? Yeah,cool. Feel that connection, that
cycle of giving and receiving,receiving the gifts from Lu
Santa, and then giving the giftsto others, so that you become Lu
(47:45):
Santa
and feel that connection, thatpattern that circle over and
over, that giving and receiving,so that you're continuing the
(48:10):
flow of giving and Receivinginstead of stopping it at the
giving part and
you might even encourage thepeople you send it to to share
(48:31):
it with others so that you canreach even more people you
I go ahead and breathe in howgood. That feels.
(48:58):
Good make this sensation sostrong inside you that nobody
can take it away, not even youthe cycle of giving and
receiving, knowing that beforethe day is over, you will record
this audio and this coverletter, because you skipped the
(49:23):
thrift store dance, not anexcuse. Thrift Store party and
knock it out.
Good. Give me a nod when you gotit. Awesome. All right, I'm
(49:44):
going to count from one to five,but when I get back to five,
you'll return to your regularwaking consciousness, starting
with one, connecting with wooSanta and two. Giving and
receiving, keeping that cyclegoing and flowing. And three, so
(50:07):
that you become Lu Santa andencouraging others to join your
snake truck. And four,reconnecting with all the
goodness that's you. And 1234,confidence, tribe, magnetism,
(50:30):
worthiness, fun, security andconnection with more dogs on
five, eyes open, wide, awake.
Oh,
Norma Bowen (50:49):
fabulous, holy shit. That was just that was
awesome. Thank you.
Traci Kanaan (50:56):
Oh, you're so welcome.
Norma Bowen (50:58):
Oh, I love that. And I think one of the best
things about IT WAS WOO, WOOSanta was really, really sexy.
Oh,
Traci Kanaan (51:06):
perfect, yeah,
Norma Bowen (51:07):
yeah, yeah, that that was wonderful. So tell me,
did you, did you already havethis in your, in your toolkit,
or is this something that you'vejust come up with? Or what,
what? Tell me, how did you how'dthat happen?
Traci Kanaan (51:27):
Santinosis is a derivative of superhero
hypnosis. And then what I do theyear before I did Yoda Gnosis,
so I pick characters that havequalities that my client needs.
And because it was the holidays,I just went with Santa Gnosis.
(51:47):
But when you weren't, you know,a traditional, you know, I
bounced off the memories as akid, and it didn't appear that
you had any that you were intouch with. It was like,
alright, new direction. And so Ijust flowed. And then, so I went
with woo Santa, because thegifts that you wanted were wooy,
(52:07):
yeah, yeah, wooey, yeah. Sowhat? So, yeah, finding those
characters and creating, youknow, on the fly,
Norma Bowen (52:20):
yeah, I love it. It's fabulous. So,
Traci Kanaan (52:23):
so the lesson here was the giving and the
receiving. You know, Santa's agiver, bad receiver.
Norma Bowen (52:36):
Oh, that, yeah, yeah. I really, I have no idea
where the snake came from.That's that was just fucking way
out of the world. The only thingI can think of is, it is the
other day my my daughter,noticed that there's a
production of Nosferatu. I guessthere's a new a new film. And I
(53:00):
was getting all up, up in armsabout that. Oh no, sir. Oh God,
is are you talking about the oldone, or the one with Palace
Kinski? Do you know who callsKinski? That's Natasha Kinski,
dad. And then I've been thinkingabout Natasha Kinski and the
snake poster for the past threedays. So that's the only that's
the only reason why I wouldthink that the snake would come
(53:20):
up. Just the weirdest thing. Ijust love it. I mean, love it,
Traci Kanaan (53:25):
you know, it didn't matter. Doesn't matter.
Norma Bowen (53:27):
No, who cares? It's, yeah, it's very,
Traci Kanaan (53:29):
I would trust your first impressions, because
there's something in there andso, but with the snake, it was,
you know, it was a boaconstrictor. So it's very, it's
protecting you. It's, it's closeto you. Um, yeah,
Norma Bowen (53:45):
it wasn't a boa constrictor, though. It was a it
was one of those yellow it was along yellow one. Oh, okay, but
it was but, but I was using itas a boa, like a feather, is
what I meant by that. But here'sno another thing that just came
to me, but I, while I was inMexico, I had a Mayan astrology
chart done, and apparently my myspirit animal is serpent. So
(54:11):
there you go. That's there'sanother reason why it's coming
up. Oh so cool. Fuck. I lovethis shit and and thank you.
You. I feel like you've justsort of reaffirmed my faith in
what we do, because I get, I,yeah, I just start to lose faith
in in what I do, because I'mnot, I don't get a lot of
(54:32):
clients because I'm not reallyputting myself out there. Mm,
hmm. So yeah, just put myselfout there a little more, right?
Traci Kanaan (54:40):
That's it. Yeah, it's definitely it so awesome.
Well, good. I'm so glad youenjoyed this. I think I'm
actually going to make this ahilarious hypnotist episode,
because this fits the fits inwith the concept of creative
hypnosis. Yeah. Really doeslittle bit of laughter, so No
(55:02):
kidding.
Norma Bowen (55:03):
Yeah, that's another thing. Thank you so
much. I really find that, Idon't know if it's that, because
you, I know that there's alwayslaughter underneath what you're
doing, and it really, it feedsme as well, because that could
have, that could have been areally heavy, sad thing, and it
(55:23):
wasn't. It just felt reallylight and and joyful. So yeah, I
really appreciate that aboutwhat you do, and I want that's,
that's why I'm here talking toyou, so I can help. I can view
myself with it as well. Yeah.
Traci Kanaan (55:37):
So yeah, with the regression, there's a time and
place for it. You know, ofcourse, hypnotherapy schools,
that's their bread and butter,so everybody should do
regression. But I just rememberthe first time I saw somebody
kicking and screaming andpunching a pillow, and I was
like, oh, fuck no, I'm spending40 hours a week with that. Yeah,
Unknown (55:59):
yeah.
Traci Kanaan (56:00):
There's other ways to get the change that you want,
I mean, and but there's a timesometimes you just need to punch
a pillow and get it out of yoursystem. But
Norma Bowen (56:13):
not every time, not every
Traci Kanaan (56:15):
time, Yep, yeah. So typically, a lot of my
clients are ones that are tiredof crying, and they're like, I
need a new approach. Yeah,
Norma Bowen (56:25):
yeah. That's, that's essentially what I say to
people, don't, don't come to meif you, if you still want to
talk about it and process it,get get all that done with
someone else. Yeah, come to mewhen you want to do you know,
just get rid of it, release it.Yeah, yeah, yeah. So
Traci Kanaan (56:39):
awesome.
Unknown (56:40):
Thank you.
Traci Kanaan (56:41):
Thank you so much. And Deb couldn't join us. She's
having some family health thatshe's going through, yeah, so,
but I'll make sure she gets acopy of this as well. So,
alright, alright, thanks. Well,have a great holiday season, and
thank you. You too. We'll catchyou, I think after the first of
(57:04):
the year, that's right, okay?All right, take care. All right.
Bye, bye. You.
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.