In this deeply personal and powerful episode, Diana welcomes Brian Gong, LMHC, EMDRIA-Approved Consultant and co-owner of Mangrove Therapy Group, to explore how trauma, shame, and addiction are intricately linked—and how EMDR therapy offers a pathway to healing for even the deepest wounds.
Diana first heard Brian speak at the NSU/MSD Strong event in 2020—two years after the tragic Parkland shooting—and was so impacted by what he shared that she began her own EMDR journey.
In this conversation, they dive into:
The science and soul of EMDR therapy
How shame keeps people stuck—and what releases it
The cultural barriers many face when seeking mental health support
Why addiction is often a survival strategy for unresolved pain
How to begin healing—even if you can’t afford therapy
Whether you're a clinician, trauma survivor, or simply someone seeking hope and tools for your own journey, this episode will leave you feeling seen, encouraged, and empowered.
What EMDR is—and why it works
The role of somatic memory in trauma
How unresolved shame creates cycles of self-sabotage
Addiction as emotional avoidance and trauma response
Family systems, cultural shame, and representation in therapy
Why many suffer in silence—and how to break the stigma
Where to find free or low-cost trauma therapy options
How to prepare for EMDR (emotional regulation tips)
What to look for in a trauma-informed therapist
“No one’s ever heard of EMDR until they need it.” – Brian Gong
“Shame thrives in secrecy. Healing begins with safe connection.” – Brian Gong
“Addiction is often just a strategy to avoid pain.” – Diana S. Rice
“You’ve got to go through the valley to get to the mountaintop.” – Diana S. Rice
“Trauma is cumulative. What we avoid only grows.” – Brian Gong
“All emotions are powerful—but they don’t have to control you.” – Brian Gong
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