February 19, 2025 • 11 mins
"I have a show that I've had in mind for a couple of years, and I wouldn't say I'm too scared to pursue it. I just look at it and say, okay. I'd have a good time with that, but it would take a lot of work."
One of the benefits of audio storytelling isn't just in the words we share; it's in the experiences we create. Recently, I welcomed back Rick Allen, to turn the tables and ask me three questions. We ended up talked about dream guests, unexplored episode topics, and the creation of audio experiences. Read my blog for more insights from this episode.
Notable Moments
01:02 Dream Guests
05:24 The Magic of Audio Experiences
07:30 Chasing Creative Dreams
10:01 The Role of Technology in Storytelling
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(00:03):
Welcome to the Jody Mayberry Show. Well, last
episode, Rick Allen was my guest. And, you know, usually when I have
guests, I have them come back and ask me questions only
if they I I tend to only do it if they've it's their first
time on the episode. But Rick is
back to ask me three questions, and I think the reason why is
(00:26):
because his brother, Bob, didn't ask three questions
after he was recently on. So this is a way for Rick to have one
up on Bob. Now I could be making that up, Rick, but that just seems
what's going on here. Totally right. Totally right. I've got a scoreboard right here next
to my desk, and I get a point for this. So absolutely, man. Good. I'm
glad I could help you score one point against Bob. Alright. What is your
(00:48):
first question? Okay. So I'm hoping this one, you haven't
been asked yet, but I I like it. And
so I'll throw it out there. And, you can tell me, oh, Rick, you've already
been asked this 10 times. But who would be your dream
guest, living or dead? And then what would you ask
them? Well, I have two answers.
(01:10):
My goodness. I have, like, 12. Alright. I'll just pick the
first one that came to mind. I'll just do that. And I am
just fascinated with Theodore Roosevelt, and him
as president is, to me, like, just
that's not the peak of Theodore Roosevelt for me. I mean, such a
fascinating guy. I'd have so many questions about his time out
(01:32):
west. Rick, do you know much about Theodore Roosevelt? I wouldn't
be I think I'm near an expert here. I would I probably would
have to say no compared to what you've got. Oh my goodness. Well,
many things fascinate me about him. But when he was
younger, his mother and his wife died on the same day.
And Oh. He went out west. So he
(01:55):
was he just remade himself. He moved out to the
Dakotas and remade himself in the image of a
cowboy. And that is just amazing. He when he was younger, he
had asthma pretty severely, and he remade himself into
a strong, vigorous man who no longer had asthma.
And I just think, well, how does someone do that? Like, how strong
(02:17):
must your mind be to be able to do things like that? And he
was police commissioner in New York City. He was governor. He
was secretary of the navy, vice president, president. And
then after that, he he, went on
safaris in Africa. He nearly died exploring a river in
South America that no one had explored before. Like, the man never
(02:39):
stopped. Somebody said I forget who said it. But when
he died, somebody said, I may get this slightly
wrong. Of course, death had to take him while he was sleeping. Otherwise,
there would have been a fight. I'm
just fascinated with Theodore Roosevelt. I love it. I love it. What a
good one. And it sounds like you'd have wouldn't just have one question. You'd
(03:01):
have about a hundred and one questions. Oh my goodness. We we go
out for a hike and talk for quite a while, I think. Yeah.
Cool. Cool. Cool. Alright. Great answer. Alright. So I give can I give you
two more? Let's go. Question number two. What
is a topic you haven't explored yet, but you're
excited to talk about in the future? You know what this question
(03:23):
reminds me of? When I became a law enforcement park ranger,
part of doing that is taking the lie detector test.
And they ask you know, I said I would never I
would never give insight on the lie detector test because if you
know what's coming, then you'll think about it and it might mess you up. So
I'm not gonna say that. Oh, man. That's
(03:46):
oh, oh, god. Really? But, Rick, if I tell you and then you have to
take a lie detector test, you will have already thought through, and it'll mess with
your mind, maybe. So Okay. Alright. I won't go there. Now
that just makes for a goofy answer. Okay. The topic I've
always wanted to talk about is I used to
host a podcast for travel
(04:08):
writers and it was called great escape radio for
great escape publishing. And it was fascinating
to me because most of the shows I do, of course, there's the
park ranger show and the rest are business focused.
And it was fascinating talking to travel writers because they
do some really cool things. And because of that, I've always
(04:30):
thought, you know, it would be really neat to have a travel
podcast. And there are a lot of travel shows out there.
I just don't know, though. Video is a great format
for travel shows. I don't know if audio is a great format,
and I would like to explore that. Could you make audio work
in a travel podcast? So I talk about travel on my
(04:53):
show. I've never explored it as a topic for a stand
alone show, though. Yeah. I you know, I love the idea of making
it work with audio only. You know, the video ones are they're
great. You know, they're great. But, you know, there's something special about
just listening, as you know. I mean, everybody knows that. Listen to the radio
and, you know, like, I remember I remember growing up, I listened to
(05:16):
the Angels, the California Angels on the radio out in California.
Dick Enberg was the was the radio guy, and and, there
was just nothing like that experience. I had a transistor radio, and you'd listen to
the games on the radio every night, and it was really special. And
you knew exactly what was going on and how it felt. So I think you
could awaken some new some new ways to to
(05:37):
think about, describing it on the radio Well, what is
audio lead. What is neat about the audio experience
is, of course, it's great if you were to watch a video
about Yellowstone. But I think if you listen to a
podcast about Yellowstone and heard sounds and
descriptions Yeah. You put it together in your mind. It creates this
(06:00):
audio experience because you don't have the visual piece to look
at. And I I think I think there would be something special to
that because you have to take all of your
experiences, even if you've never been to Yellowstone. You'll put
something together in your head on what the rivers look like and the
trees and bison and whatnot. So I think there's something
(06:22):
there. Speaking of listening to the Angels on the radio, have you ever heard the
story about Ronald Reagan when he was a play by play announcer
for the Cubs out of a radio station in Iowa? Well, they
would they would send it over. Like, he would get ticker
tape play by play. Like, they'd send it to him. And then instead of
reading it, he would call it like he's watching the game. And there was
(06:44):
one game where the ticker tape machine stopped
working, but he can't say that. He's live on the radio. And he
just kept calling a game that he knew nothing about. He just
would make it he just made it up. I've always found that
fascinating. That's great. God, wouldn't you love to have
a recording of one of those? Yeah. Yeah. Listen to
(07:07):
the game that never was. The game that never was. All right, Rick. What
do you have for your third question? Alright.
Alright. Okay. So this one is, what topic do you think
is interesting, but maybe you're too scared to
pursue it? That is my goodness.
I've never thought about this. I I don't know.
(07:30):
I have a show that I've had in mind for
a couple of years, and I wouldn't say I'm too
scared to pursue it. I just look at it and say, okay. I'd
have a good time with that, but it would take a
lot of work. And what would the end result be other than
saying, hey, that's a pretty cool show. And, it all tie
(07:52):
it it ties to the I do not watch much television,
but one of the the shows my wife and I watch together
is Survivor, the reality show. Oh, yeah. Sure. And we
started watching that because when I was a park
ranger, the first year I was a ranger, I worked about
seven hours away from home. So I would drive there,
(08:15):
work for all week, come home for the weekends. And while
in my absence, my wife had started watching
Apprentice and Survivor, one other show,
Amazing Race. And so she started saving them so we and then we would
watch them together. So that is one show we've always watched together. And
I have what I think is a really good idea for a
(08:37):
show based on Survivor. And I'll use the
word scared. Rick said scared. I'll use the word. And maybe I'm just scared
like that so much time to put into it for
what really is the return. So when Rick asked for
scared, maybe he was asking for something that intimidates me to talk
about. Sure. Yeah. That's fair. I've done 2,600
(09:00):
podcast episodes by now, and I just I don't know if there's
anything I'm scared to talk about. There's probably some topics I wouldn't talk
about, but I don't know. I don't know. There's an answer anyway,
Rick. Yeah. No. That's good. That's good. That's a tough one. I that's why I
threw that at the end. I figured that'd be a interesting way to go.
Yeah. Well, it was it was good. I enjoyed those questions and thinking
(09:22):
about creating audio experience, audio
travel experiences. There may be some way I'll trade that. You know, when I
was younger, like, right after college, I
used to carry now it's real easy with your iPhone. I used to carry
a cassette recorder with me. And when I would have
conversations with people, I would turn on the recorder and just record
(09:44):
it. So somewhere, I've got a box of tapes of
conversations I recorded while I was traveling years ago. It would
it would be interesting to go back and listen to those. Yeah.
No. I think that you could get a lot of fuel from that. But, boy,
just like you talk about Yellowstone, you know, just knowing
you know, that camera's a a little bit of a crutch. Right? I
(10:06):
mean, you so there it is. And then, you
know, the the communicator doesn't have to do a whole lot more. I'm just
there's the geyser. But if you don't have that,
it forces you, right, to say, alright. Here's how I'm feeling.
It's cold. It's this temperature. I got mist on me. You know, there's
a couple of floorboards out here. Have they been paying attention out here? Does anybody
(10:28):
else come out? I mean, I don't know. The, you know, the things you could
say to make that come alive might be really might be really
interesting. I'll sign up for that one. Alright. Maybe that's all it
takes. It you know, they say a a photograph's worth a thousand
words. How many words does it take to create a mental
image? Yeah. I don't know. Maybe we'll find out someday.
(10:49):
Yeah. Yeah. That'd be worth it. Well, Rick, it was great having you back.
I'm glad I was able to help you score one point against
Bob. And now you can let him know you came on back to back
episodes. And, eventually, with the back and forth of Rick and Bob trying to
one up each other, maybe they will be the only guests that are ever on
this show. That would be great for us.
(11:11):
We'd love it. Alright, Rick. Give us one more reminder of where we can find
you. My website is
rickallenconsultinggroup.com. So r I c
k a l l e n, and then the wordsconsultinggroup.com. You can find
me there. Alright. Thank you so much, Rick, and thank you for listening
to the Jodi Mayberry Show.
(11:36):
It's not what you think. It's Sugar Jay.
Welcome to the Jody Mayberry Show. Well, last
episode, Rick Allen was my guest. And, you know, usually when I have
guests, I have them come back and ask me questions only
if they I I tend to only do it if they've it's their first
time on the episode. But Rick is
back to ask me three questions, and I think the reason why is
(00:26):
because his brother, Bob, didn't ask three questions
after he was recently on. So this is a way for Rick to have one
up on Bob. Now I could be making that up, Rick, but that just seems
what's going on here. Totally right. Totally right. I've got a scoreboard right here next
to my desk, and I get a point for this. So absolutely, man. Good. I'm
glad I could help you score one point against Bob. Alright. What is your
(00:48):
first question? Okay. So I'm hoping this one, you haven't
been asked yet, but I I like it. And
so I'll throw it out there. And, you can tell me, oh, Rick, you've already
been asked this 10 times. But who would be your dream
guest, living or dead? And then what would you ask
them? Well, I have two answers.
(01:10):
My goodness. I have, like, 12. Alright. I'll just pick the
first one that came to mind. I'll just do that. And I am
just fascinated with Theodore Roosevelt, and him
as president is, to me, like, just
that's not the peak of Theodore Roosevelt for me. I mean, such a
fascinating guy. I'd have so many questions about his time out
(01:32):
west. Rick, do you know much about Theodore Roosevelt? I wouldn't
be I think I'm near an expert here. I would I probably would
have to say no compared to what you've got. Oh my goodness. Well,
many things fascinate me about him. But when he was
younger, his mother and his wife died on the same day.
And Oh. He went out west. So he
(01:55):
was he just remade himself. He moved out to the
Dakotas and remade himself in the image of a
cowboy. And that is just amazing. He when he was younger, he
had asthma pretty severely, and he remade himself into
a strong, vigorous man who no longer had asthma.
And I just think, well, how does someone do that? Like, how strong
(02:17):
must your mind be to be able to do things like that? And he
was police commissioner in New York City. He was governor. He
was secretary of the navy, vice president, president. And
then after that, he he, went on
safaris in Africa. He nearly died exploring a river in
South America that no one had explored before. Like, the man never
(02:39):
stopped. Somebody said I forget who said it. But when
he died, somebody said, I may get this slightly
wrong. Of course, death had to take him while he was sleeping. Otherwise,
there would have been a fight. I'm
just fascinated with Theodore Roosevelt. I love it. I love it. What a
good one. And it sounds like you'd have wouldn't just have one question. You'd
(03:01):
have about a hundred and one questions. Oh my goodness. We we go
out for a hike and talk for quite a while, I think. Yeah.
Cool. Cool. Cool. Alright. Great answer. Alright. So I give can I give you
two more? Let's go. Question number two. What
is a topic you haven't explored yet, but you're
excited to talk about in the future? You know what this question
(03:23):
reminds me of? When I became a law enforcement park ranger,
part of doing that is taking the lie detector test.
And they ask you know, I said I would never I
would never give insight on the lie detector test because if you
know what's coming, then you'll think about it and it might mess you up. So
I'm not gonna say that. Oh, man. That's
(03:46):
oh, oh, god. Really? But, Rick, if I tell you and then you have to
take a lie detector test, you will have already thought through, and it'll mess with
your mind, maybe. So Okay. Alright. I won't go there. Now
that just makes for a goofy answer. Okay. The topic I've
always wanted to talk about is I used to
host a podcast for travel
(04:08):
writers and it was called great escape radio for
great escape publishing. And it was fascinating
to me because most of the shows I do, of course, there's the
park ranger show and the rest are business focused.
And it was fascinating talking to travel writers because they
do some really cool things. And because of that, I've always
(04:30):
thought, you know, it would be really neat to have a travel
podcast. And there are a lot of travel shows out there.
I just don't know, though. Video is a great format
for travel shows. I don't know if audio is a great format,
and I would like to explore that. Could you make audio work
in a travel podcast? So I talk about travel on my
(04:53):
show. I've never explored it as a topic for a stand
alone show, though. Yeah. I you know, I love the idea of making
it work with audio only. You know, the video ones are they're
great. You know, they're great. But, you know, there's something special about
just listening, as you know. I mean, everybody knows that. Listen to the radio
and, you know, like, I remember I remember growing up, I listened to
(05:16):
the Angels, the California Angels on the radio out in California.
Dick Enberg was the was the radio guy, and and, there
was just nothing like that experience. I had a transistor radio, and you'd listen to
the games on the radio every night, and it was really special. And
you knew exactly what was going on and how it felt. So I think you
could awaken some new some new ways to to
(05:37):
think about, describing it on the radio Well, what is
audio lead. What is neat about the audio experience
is, of course, it's great if you were to watch a video
about Yellowstone. But I think if you listen to a
podcast about Yellowstone and heard sounds and
descriptions Yeah. You put it together in your mind. It creates this
(06:00):
audio experience because you don't have the visual piece to look
at. And I I think I think there would be something special to
that because you have to take all of your
experiences, even if you've never been to Yellowstone. You'll put
something together in your head on what the rivers look like and the
trees and bison and whatnot. So I think there's something
(06:22):
there. Speaking of listening to the Angels on the radio, have you ever heard the
story about Ronald Reagan when he was a play by play announcer
for the Cubs out of a radio station in Iowa? Well, they
would they would send it over. Like, he would get ticker
tape play by play. Like, they'd send it to him. And then instead of
reading it, he would call it like he's watching the game. And there was
(06:44):
one game where the ticker tape machine stopped
working, but he can't say that. He's live on the radio. And he
just kept calling a game that he knew nothing about. He just
would make it he just made it up. I've always found that
fascinating. That's great. God, wouldn't you love to have
a recording of one of those? Yeah. Yeah. Listen to
(07:07):
the game that never was. The game that never was. All right, Rick. What
do you have for your third question? Alright.
Alright. Okay. So this one is, what topic do you think
is interesting, but maybe you're too scared to
pursue it? That is my goodness.
I've never thought about this. I I don't know.
(07:30):
I have a show that I've had in mind for
a couple of years, and I wouldn't say I'm too
scared to pursue it. I just look at it and say, okay. I'd
have a good time with that, but it would take a
lot of work. And what would the end result be other than
saying, hey, that's a pretty cool show. And, it all tie
(07:52):
it it ties to the I do not watch much television,
but one of the the shows my wife and I watch together
is Survivor, the reality show. Oh, yeah. Sure. And we
started watching that because when I was a park
ranger, the first year I was a ranger, I worked about
seven hours away from home. So I would drive there,
(08:15):
work for all week, come home for the weekends. And while
in my absence, my wife had started watching
Apprentice and Survivor, one other show,
Amazing Race. And so she started saving them so we and then we would
watch them together. So that is one show we've always watched together. And
I have what I think is a really good idea for a
(08:37):
show based on Survivor. And I'll use the
word scared. Rick said scared. I'll use the word. And maybe I'm just scared
like that so much time to put into it for
what really is the return. So when Rick asked for
scared, maybe he was asking for something that intimidates me to talk
about. Sure. Yeah. That's fair. I've done 2,600
(09:00):
podcast episodes by now, and I just I don't know if there's
anything I'm scared to talk about. There's probably some topics I wouldn't talk
about, but I don't know. I don't know. There's an answer anyway,
Rick. Yeah. No. That's good. That's good. That's a tough one. I that's why I
threw that at the end. I figured that'd be a interesting way to go.
Yeah. Well, it was it was good. I enjoyed those questions and thinking
(09:22):
about creating audio experience, audio
travel experiences. There may be some way I'll trade that. You know, when I
was younger, like, right after college, I
used to carry now it's real easy with your iPhone. I used to carry
a cassette recorder with me. And when I would have
conversations with people, I would turn on the recorder and just record
(09:44):
it. So somewhere, I've got a box of tapes of
conversations I recorded while I was traveling years ago. It would
it would be interesting to go back and listen to those. Yeah.
No. I think that you could get a lot of fuel from that. But, boy,
just like you talk about Yellowstone, you know, just knowing
you know, that camera's a a little bit of a crutch. Right? I
(10:06):
mean, you so there it is. And then, you
know, the the communicator doesn't have to do a whole lot more. I'm just
there's the geyser. But if you don't have that,
it forces you, right, to say, alright. Here's how I'm feeling.
It's cold. It's this temperature. I got mist on me. You know, there's
a couple of floorboards out here. Have they been paying attention out here? Does anybody
(10:28):
else come out? I mean, I don't know. The, you know, the things you could
say to make that come alive might be really might be really
interesting. I'll sign up for that one. Alright. Maybe that's all it
takes. It you know, they say a a photograph's worth a thousand
words. How many words does it take to create a mental
image? Yeah. I don't know. Maybe we'll find out someday.
(10:49):
Yeah. Yeah. That'd be worth it. Well, Rick, it was great having you back.
I'm glad I was able to help you score one point against
Bob. And now you can let him know you came on back to back
episodes. And, eventually, with the back and forth of Rick and Bob trying to
one up each other, maybe they will be the only guests that are ever on
this show. That would be great for us.
(11:11):
We'd love it. Alright, Rick. Give us one more reminder of where we can find
you. My website is
rickallenconsultinggroup.com. So r I c
k a l l e n, and then the wordsconsultinggroup.com. You can find
me there. Alright. Thank you so much, Rick, and thank you for listening
to the Jodi Mayberry Show.
(11:36):
It's not what you think. It's Sugar Jay.
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