December 20, 2024 • 52 mins
In this episode of the Kathy Barnett Show, host Kathy Barnette interviews Harrison Tinsley, who shares his harrowing journey through a custody battle that intertwines personal relationships with the broader societal issues of political polarization and gender identity. Tinsley recounts the challenges he faced in family court, the impact of his ex-partner's beliefs on their son, and his transformation into an activist advocating for children's rights. The conversation highlights the complexities of navigating parental rights amidst a changing cultural landscape and the importance of speaking out against perceived injustices. In this conversation, Kathy Barnette discusses the implications of recent legislation affecting parental rights and children's gender identity in schools. She emphasizes the importance of parental involvement in children's lives, the dangers of trusting strangers over parents, and the need for community action to protect children from harmful ideologies. Barnette calls for courage among parents and advocates for a return to traditional family values, highlighting the urgency of the current societal challenges regarding education and child safety.
Takeaways
Harrison Tinsley's story illustrates the personal impact of political polarization.
The challenges of family court can be exacerbated by societal issues.
Custody battles often involve complex emotional and legal struggles.
Children's rights are increasingly at risk in the current political climate.
Activism can emerge from personal experiences with injustice.
The role of Child Protective Services can be crucial in custody cases.
Parents must be vigilant about their children's well-being in a changing society.
Legislation is evolving in response to gender identity issues.
Open dialogue about gender identity is essential for children's safety.
The fight for parental rights is a pressing issue in today's society. Banning policies that require parental notification about gender identity is concerning.
Children should not be put in a position to choose between parents and strangers.
Parents have a fundamental right to know about their children's well-being.
Legislation is increasingly favoring the rights of the state over parental rights.
The narrative around gender identity is being pushed aggressively in schools.
One incident of harm to a child is too many; we must protect the vulnerable.
Community action is essential to combat harmful ideologies in education.
Courage is needed to speak out against the current trends in society.
The future of our children depends on the actions we take today.
We must empower each other by sharing our stories and experiences.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Harrison Tinsley's Story
03:05 The Impact of Political Polarization on Personal Relationships
05:51 Navigating Family Court Challenges
09:13 The Struggles of Custody and Gender Identity Issues
11:56 The Role of Child Protective Services
15:09 Becoming an Activist for Children's Rights
18:05 Current Status of Custody and Advocacy Efforts
20:58 Legislative Responses to Gender Identity Issues
24:12 The Broader Implications of Gender Ideology
26:35 Legislation and Parental Rights
32:14 Child Safety and Trust Issues
36:58 The Role of Parents in Education
41:16 Courage and Community Action
48:28 Future of Education and Child Protection
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everyone, this is Cathy Barnett.
Thank you so much for listening to the Cathy Barnett Show.
I'm just going to jump right in.
We have a riveting story by a rather young man battling the system.
What we're going to talk about today is very much in the news today, especially whenyou're looking at what U.S.
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Representative Nancy Mace is trying to accomplish with her bill.
in protecting women's spaces against transgender or men who believe they are women justbecause they don't address and hair and nails.
So I'm going to bring my guest right on in Harrison Tinsley.
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Hello, sir.
How are you?
I'm not standing.
How are you doing?
I am doing well.
Thank you so very much for coming on.
just want you to just jump right in to the beginning of your story and kind of walk usthrough what it is that kind of this tsunami just from I have not intentionally I did not
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dive deep into your story because I want to hear it firsthand is very difficult.
when you're trying to suss out what is true when you start Googling stories, you don'treally know what is real, what is not real.
And so, but I heard about your story and I wanted to bring you on.
So I'm just going to turn it over to you.
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Yeah.
Well, thank you so much for having me.
Nancy Mase is definitely a hero.
And my story starts like five, five, six years back.
I was in the Bay area.
I met a girl.
karaoke, I sang her a song, we ended up dating and falling in love.
And we didn't agree politically.
And I thought that was something that we could get past.
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But unfortunately, America has become so polarized that caused a lot of problems.
And just a few months into our relationship, she got pregnant.
And thankfully, we were both stoked about that.
And we found out it was a boy and agreed upon the name Sawyer, which was amazing.
And we were both thrilled.
And I was always extremely enthusiastic about everything.
Wanted to be in his life and his mom posted when she announced that she was pregnant onsocial media.
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She was like, baby, so we're doing December.
I'll love you.
Whether you're a boy or girl or neither.
And that was kind of concerning.
That was the red flag number one.
So that was your first red flag boy, girl or neither.
Yeah.
Even though she was stoked that it, that he was a boy.
So it was interesting, but yes, that was a big red flag for sure.
And,
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You know, pregnancy went on super stoked and enthusiastic, being a part of everything, youknow, going to doctor's visits.
And, essentially she just got really hostile towards me.
seemed like over politics and I was just started to get like threatened, daily.
She would also talk to my mom and sister and threaten it that I wouldn't be in Sawyer'slife if I wasn't like more politically correct, essentially.
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And, this is around what year, what year is this?
2019.
Okay, so Donald Trump's in office.
The world is on fire.
There is no middle ground with this man.
Apparently either you really appreciate him or he's Hitler according to some.
And so I guess she was on the of the opinion that he was really, really bad and a danger,a threat to democracy and all of that.
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That's, that's how it seemed.
Yeah.
Where were you at that time?
Where were you politically at that time?
You know, conservative, somewhat libertarian, but I wasn't as political then as I am now.
It's stronger in my convictions as I looked into things more and more.
when she started threatening you with not being able to see your son, has she deliveredthe baby at that point or was she still pregnant?
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No, this is just during pregnancy.
OK.
Yeah.
So she's pregnant.
And it gets to a point where roughly halfway into her pregnancy, basically sends me likebreaks up with me, sends me a cease and desist letter from her attorney, you know, saying
not to talk to her and different legal threats, which I respected.
And essentially I didn't know when my son was born.
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found out one week later from social media, one of her friends reaching out to me andtelling me and sending me a picture.
And that was heartbreaking.
Of course.
And from there, I figured out what I was going to do.
went to this legal self-help center in San Francisco and they helped me file all thisstuff.
took about two months.
Filed this giant filing for a parentage, custody and visitation of my son in February.
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So two months after he was born.
And from there, it took 13 more months just for me to meet him.
So I got to finally meet him when he was 15 months old in spite of knowing about him thewhole time.
was travesty.
was heartbreaking.
But it made me stronger man to be a better dad for him and a better fighter for the futureof the children of America.
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So now we're in 2022 almost at this point.
No, this is just 2020.
So this is 2020 at the height of all the craziness that we have been going through.
Yeah, 2021.
Yeah, yeah, 2020, 2021.
But nevertheless,
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And I keep bringing up politics because it's kind of this parallel world we've been livingin where one day we would agree to disagree on issues, but generally we just moved right
along.
knew people who, a Democrat and a Republican living in the same household, they just agreeto disagree and they just created a life to each other.
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And then all of a sudden in our country was 2016 happened.
It was like the, not only the introduction of MAGA with Donald Trump, but also theintroduction of this mind virus that seemed to grip the mind and heart and soul of half
the nation.
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And you, one would think that maybe she's mad at you initially, but at some pointthroughout the first 15 months of the child's life.
Something in her would say, you know, maybe he should at least meet his child.
But unfortunately, what I find is that the mind virus is so strong.
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These people are just not flexible.
They're very rooted in their worldview.
Yeah, the mind virus is definitely very strong, very unfortunate.
It definitely propagandizes a lot of people and makes them
Emotionally react to things that they would otherwise logically probably not have suchvisceral reactions to.
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So she wasn't flexible at all.
she was trying very hard 15 months.
Yeah.
She was doing everything she could to, not let me meet him, making it impossible withCOVID restrictions, making up lies about me, the most horrendous lies possible that were
crazily untrue and horrific.
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And just something that.
no one should have to go through.
unfortunately in family court, it's a common occurrence that lies are said about the otherparent.
And not just any family court, but this is family court in California, right?
In San Francisco, California.
And San Francisco, know what?
I mean, again, which is another world of in and of itself, San Francisco family court.
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So here you are at the time you're 27 years old.
When your son is conceived, now you're going into, you're a young man.
You're in California, which is bad enough when you're trying to fight against a woke mindvirus, but you're in San Francisco, the epic center of this woke mind virus.
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And what begins to happen with around 15 months of your child's life?
I get to visit with him, which is spectacular.
Just getting to look into his eyes for the first time and hug him for the first time wasamazing.
mean, just there's nothing like it.
Like the amount of love in your heart just opens up in ways you could never imagine whenyou have a kid.
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really changes who you are.
And just getting to experience that was just miraculous.
And yeah, I'm so thankful that it finally got to happen.
They did make it as hard as possible.
They tried to have people be there when I was visiting with them and all these things.
But I fought for a few months through all of that nonsense and I moved to the Bay Area andthe judge actually, who said it was a travesty that I hadn't seen them for 15 months as
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well, gave me half custody immediately when I moved to the Bay Area.
So super thankful for that.
And I started to have him half the time.
And yeah, just started to bond is the end of the story?
No.
Okay.
Well, what happened next?
Well,
The lies about me became more heinous and more widespread.
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She started to defame and harass me online pretty regularly and horrendously.
And so I was awarded a temporary restraining order because of it was such bad defamation.
It was verifiably untrue.
as well as- some of the things, do you mind sharing?
What were some of the things she said about you that would allow a court to award you?
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A restraining order.
The worst thing is possible.
Like you can think like Brett Kavanaugh or Johnny Depp.
just very horrible things that are completely untrue.
Right.
Yeah.
And so from there, I had half custody, got this temporary restraining order because I wasbeing defamed so much.
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And his mom started to call him they, them and pretend that I believe herself as well ashim were non-binary.
Now, how old is your son at this point?
Roughly two.
So at two years old, she had decided that she saw something within him or maybe heverbalized it as a two year old.
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I don't know if they're even speaking very clear early at that age.
I can't recall.
I have two kids of my own, but you know, time, time begins to blend together.
But somehow she had gathered enough information to believe that her son was transmittingto her that he was actually not a he.
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He was a non-binary.
Well, I disagree with the premise and so that she pushed that idea herself to either getat me or because she started to identify that way herself or she wanted to be able to show
off to her friends that she had, you know, some sort of special
or whatever, think people often use it nowadays as like a Gucci handbag, so to speak,virtue signal of their compassion, because they have a What was it that, what was she
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communicating to you and to the court and to others that she noticed about her son thatgave her the impression that he was trying to tell her
That he was really not a he, he was a she or that he was non-binary altogether.
What was she saying?
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Yeah, well, she didn't really describe it in detail.
I think it was more of like the idea that kids should be non-binary until they can choosefor themselves, perhaps.
OK.
But he I can just tell you, I was spending a lot of time with him and my half custody timeI spent every second with him.
The whole time I had half custody and.
He definitely did not feel that way.
He always adamantly said he's a boy and wants to be a boy.
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He never went along with it, not even a little bit.
So he wasn't expressing that for sure.
It was being forced upon him.
And sometimes she would put dresses on him and makeup on him or coerce him.
She took him to Disneyland one time and he told me after.
It was like, Dada, when I went to Disneyland, I couldn't go on the rides unless I wore myprincess shoes and I didn't want to wear princess shoes.
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I wanted to wear boy shoes.
Right.
So it seemed much more like it was being forced upon him.
And he had no interest in it at all.
I don't think a two year old can even comprehend such an abstract idea.
Yeah, so it was definitely being forced upon him.
So there was that and the restraining order which ended up being violated as well.
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And his mom ended up getting arrested for child endangerment and placed on a 5150 while hewas with her.
What is the 5150?
Involuntary psychiatric hold by the police.
Okay.
So she was displaying some suicidal tendencies.
well, it wasn't, it wasn't that I can't speak to what police officers essentially madetheir decision, but we did subpoena all the body cam footage from the night.
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And then basically there was just a, night where she had a big fight with her roommate andwas acting very erratic or manic and she was possibly a danger to herself or others,
including of course.
And so that was horrifying and ended up getting a trial granted to me because of thosethings, mainly that one and some other little broken court orders and stuff.
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And so, yeah, we ended up having a four day trial ended up being five days and they didn'treally let me submit a lot of evidence for attorney sort of just objected to everything
that I or witnesses said.
And so I tried to waste the court's time so that we ran out of time and didn't get topresent our evidence.
We didn't really get to cross examine her, which seems completely against the courtsystem.
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But yeah, after the trial, though, regardless, you we presented all this evidence and westill felt confident that there's no way they can't, you know, benefit us in some way.
But a few weeks later, the court gave their decision and decided to keep custody 50 50.
And, you know, that was a little devastating.
You know, it was just like, wow, I finally had my chance to actually present, you know,how crazy this all is and how much danger soldiers in and the court didn't do anything.
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So I'm going to have to try something else.
And I decided I was going to start to speak out publicly.
And so I'm thankful to like Daily Wire and Matt Walsh and they, they broke my story andabout everything that had happened.
And from there, I just started doing.
as many interviews and events as possible, speaking at the Capitol against some of thecrazy anti-parent bills in California, just doing all these interviews, speaking up how we
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need to protect kids, especially from gender ideology, how it doesn't belong anywhere nearthem, how it should be classified as child abuse in my opinion, and just how this is just
a crazy social contagion that needs to stop, we're hurting children irreversibly.
No, there's all these D transitioners now, Chloe Cole, who's amazing, speaking up and kidscan't come.
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Amazing.
Yeah.
She totally is.
She's such a bright light and she's so positive.
I really enjoyed the time with her.
And so now you become an activist.
whereas at the 27 year old man, you were, you would have identified as conservative, butnot very politically involved.
But now this issue with your son, like I've seen with so many parents has.
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forced people to pay attention and to engage in the world of politics like they neverwould have imagined before.
So now you're an activist, then what happened?
Well, people need to start speaking up before it comes to their front door.
Yes.
You know, I really believe that that's important.
That's how we can stop this is everyone just speaks what they believe.
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Everyone's too scared to say the truth.
But the time is now we have the momentum and the high ground.
Everyone knows this stuff is wrong.
Don't be like me.
Don't wait till it happens to your kid or to your niece or nephew.
You need to start speaking up right now and we can end this.
But I agree.
So, so where, so where is the situation with your son?
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So you're now, is it still 50 50 with you and his mother?
So we decided to appeal that decision and to try to get the appeals court to reverse thatand right.
you know, did get granted a criminal protective order because of the violation of thetemporary temporary restraining order.
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but the family court didn't give me a family court restraining order, which wasridiculous.
they pretty much had to, but they didn't.
And, I mean, I started to start speaking out as much as I can doing whatever I can tospeak up and speak out for truth and for protecting kids.
And I'm just in the middle of this journey of.
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fighting for truth and for the future of America.
And I essentially one day just got a bunch of missed calls from the San Francisco police.
And I went and I picked Sawyer up and there had been another incident with his mom andphysical violence in front of him and her even getting him possibly involved in the
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violence.
And so basically I picked him up and I filed the next part in court the next day.
which the court actually denied, which was really shocking.
But thankfully, CPS stepped up and gave me temporary custody and did this wholeinvestigation.
And I just feel like it was a miracle that God gave me these CPS workers he did thatreally care about children and not politics.
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His mom lied about me every which way and just brought up all this political stuff, butthey didn't care about any of that.
They just did their job to protect Sawyer and found out the truth.
Yeah.
So there are still some good ones out there.
And so where is Sawyer now?
Well, so they did this whole investigation and we ended up coming to agreement anddependency court, which is a step above family court.
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And essentially I have full custody of Sawyer.
So I have full physical custody and we have split legal custody, but I have the decisionmaking ability.
So essentially I have full physical and legal custody of him.
he's.
Wow.
safe with me and this is in California, San Francisco of all places and CPS whoessentially made this happen.
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Yes.
Well bravo.
And how old is Sawyer?
He's four.
He's turning five soon.
Wow.
This baby has been through a lot in his young life.
He absolutely has, but he's thriving being with me and having a stable environment.
Right.
He's just an incredible kid and I'm so blessed and lucky to have him.
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And just to have saved him, just, it's such a dream come true.
So many people thought it was impossible.
I mean, it's hard just as a dad to win custody.
Yeah.
but you add in, you know, the politics and the gender stuff and it's just so spectacularthat I was able to win.
And I'm so thankful.
And I just want to help other people protect their kids.
Cause a lot of parents are going through family court and having this gender stuffweaponized against them.
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know, like Jeff Younger just lost custody of his son.
And I think they're going to start to.
give us some Lupron or something similar and, you know, Adam Vena, some friends of minethat are just lose custody over the gender stuff.
it's just terrifying really.
I mean, it is a very real issue.
And as I'm watching what's unfolding with represent US representative, Mace proposal, shehas proposed a bill.
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want to get the wording right.
A resolution actually to mend the US house rules to prohibit
single sex facilities being used by biological men.
As most people know, especially if you're watching and listening to my podcast, you knowthat US that of all places, Delaware has elected the first, what they are calling trans, I
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don't know, the trans man, trans woman, US representative Sarah.
who 10 years ago was Tim McBride.
So Tim McBride, who now 10 years later is calling himself Sarah, is a man who dresses likea woman.
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I guess he believes he is a woman as well.
And he has won the US House of Representatives seat, one of the seats out of Delaware.
state and now he is on his way January 6th to the US House.
And the question has come up whether or not he will be allowed to use women onlyrestrooms.
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And there are many who are saying, well, of course, like, it's a none, it's a nonestarter.
We shouldn't even be talking about this.
And to talk about it.
is to be a bully, is to be insensitive, is to be a rube, is to be the worst type of humanbeing.
And I disagree with that vehemently.
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I believe there are only two genders.
I've been very clear about that.
And everything else is a mental health disorder, waiting for a compassionate psychiatristto sit down and begin to have a conversation with that person.
And although I can have, and I believe we should have sympathy for people who arestruggling with this mental illness, I do not believe it is my responsibility to afflict a
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mental illness upon myself in order to make someone else feel comfortable about theirmental illness.
I do not believe that I should be solicited and drawn into this play acting.
just to make someone else feel comfortable with where they find themselves.
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And for some reason, that is really disturbing to a lot of people that I will notvoluntarily throw myself into a mental health crisis in order to make someone who is going
through a mental health crisis feel better about it.
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Well, you're absolutely correct.
There's only two sexes.
and anything else is just a personality or a mental disorder.
It's insane that we're even considering this stuff.
The reality is the vast majority of Americans agree that women should have their own safespaces such as locker rooms and bathrooms.
They should have their own sports and opportunities protected.
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You know, we're having guys break girls world records, taking their scholarships, win alltheir state titles.
Paralyzing girls, knocking their teeth out, punching them in the face.
Yeah, and everyone knows that's wrong at the end of the day.
And everyone also doesn't want, you know, schools keeping secrets from parents, takingtheir kids to school, calling them a different name, putting the dress on and then putting
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their normal clothes back on and giving them back to the parents and pretending likenothing's happened in California.
Because who's undressing your child?
Who's monitoring the undressing and the redressing of your child in these?
facilities outside of your home.
And why should I trust this stranger more than I trust my husband or my family or myself?
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It's very illogical what we're going through, but I believe it's intentional.
I do not believe we've arrived at this point where we are supposed to all pretend thatsuddenly after thousands of human history,
that suddenly we've forgotten that there's only two genders.
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And now miraculously, we're all supposed to pretend that now you can just make it up asyou go.
There can be 84, 87 different genders, and we're all supposed to just pretend that this isokay.
And it's not okay.
It's not okay to me as a woman.
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I believe I have every right to be able to go into my own safe space and not have to worryor guess if there's a man in here with me and what his motivations may be.
I believe it's unfair to our children who are being groomed, who are being mutilated inmany cases and demoralized.
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I don't believe that is fair for our young boys who are supposed to just stand by.
and not do anything and just watch the degradation of our world.
It's evil and it's wrong and they're expecting us to take part in the lie to literallycall them by names and things that they aren't actually.
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There's nothing loving or compassionate about affirming a delusion.
We need to tell these people the truth even if it's hard to hear sometimes that Godcreated you as a man or woman and that's what you'll always be every
Cell in your body is XX or XY.
There's nothing compassionate.
We don't tell any of our kids that are anorexic to not eat dinner.
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You know, you don't tell your kid if they want to say that they're Spider-Man to swing offof buildings.
We don't, we don't affirm anything else.
This is the only thing that we're pretending it's okay to affirm a delusion.
It's not, and everyone knows it's wrong.
And we have this momentum.
We're going to end this.
This is the battle of our lifetime.
And you can see,
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Like right now, everyone's speaking up about it from President Trump to JD Vance to ElonMusk.
mean, Elon Musk moved his businesses out of California because of AB1955, whichessentially gives schools the power to keep secrets about gender from parents.
mean, this is insane.
How insane is that?
I was going to ask you about that.
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On July of this year, 2024, California Governor Gavin Newsom signed a first in the nationlaw.
banning school districts from passing policies that require schools to notify parents iftheir child asks to change their gender identification.
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What that mean, and I want you to respond to this, this bill that he signed into law, bansrules requiring school staff to disclose a student's gender identity or sexual
orientation.
to any other person without the child's permission.
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Now you're talking about a five-year-old, a seven-year-old, a 12, a 13, a 15, a childgiving permission to tell their parents what's going on with them.
This bill that has been signed into law requires the California Department of Education tooffer resources to parents.
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and students about how to manage conversations about gender and identity privately.
And according to the Northern California ACLU, the Safety Act would, in addition topreventing forced disclosure of LGBTQ plus identity, would also provide information for
parents and education personnel on acceptance and the creation of safe spaces fortransgender students.
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I mean, it's wicked.
It's weird.
It makes you question them as a whole.
How could you do something so terrible?
I mean, they won't even give your kid a Tylenol without contacting you first.
So I'm not sure how they could do something as large as changing their gender behind yourback.
And it's a very common thing too, to anyone who thinks it's uncommon.
mean, there's thousands of stories all around the country, especially California, ofcourse.
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But I was stoked to see someone like Elon Musk step up and
You move his businesses out over it.
They've tried to pass lots of other bills like 665 where, you know, kids can almostemancipate themselves at 12 years old at 12 years old and go to government shelters where
they can transition and AB 957, which it was a miracle that Newsome vetoed, but that thatwas directly telling family courts to have judges rule in the favor of the affirming
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parent.
I told them when I was talking to the legislators, like, I should be the first one to wincustody because my son says he's a boy.
So his mom by saying he's non-binary is not affirming him.
And they did actually agree with me that that's how it's worked, that would work.
I don't know that in practicality it would have gone like that, but it was interesting.
yeah, I mean, look, these people are child-regulation advocates.
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too is telling you this, right?
He says I'm So we're looking to the child.
I mean, again, this is just such grooming behavior of getting children to not trust.
the very people they should trust, mom and dad.
And instead to put their trust in strangers who we don't know what strangers will do,right?
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When I was growing up, the thought was stranger danger.
You don't have to be fearful and run away from a stranger, but you need to be cautiouswhen you're meeting, when you're walking into the space of adults you don't know,
especially as a female.
as a little girl walking into a room full of strange men.
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need to be cautious about that.
And now we're saying, no, no, no, no, no, see, you trust the room full of completestrangers who have not invested their life into your wellbeing.
And the ones you should not trust are your parents who have come together, created aloving environment, who is working for you.
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in the battle for you.
Don't trust those people.
Trust us, the court, the elected politicians, the janitor, the teacher, the principal.
Trust us, not your parents.
That's the dynamics we're in right now.
Yeah, parents have a right to their kids.
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We love them way more than any government person or a teacher ever will.
It's a delusional idea that they should have more rights to our kids than us.
That's clearly what they want.
And you brought up like being a woman.
It's interesting that they're now those same people are putting men into women's lockerrooms and letting them undress in front of them and pretending that that's compassionate
or a pro woman or feminist.
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I it's just the opposite of the truth.
It's very Orwellian.
And these people are child mutilation advocates.
They're literally having kids take surgeries and hormones.
that will mutilate their bodies forever, sterilize them for life.
children cannot consent to that in any way, shape or form.
It's sick and evil, needs to absolutely be stopped.
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I mean, we are literally ruining kids' lives.
I mean, just a couple of points here.
One, because you've said it a number of times that these are not isolated incidents.
And again, as we're watching the unfolding of Nancy Mace and
the newly elected US representative Sarah slash Tim McBride, who's the man in women'sdresses wanting to go into women's spaces.
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As we're watching all of this unfold, one of comments that's coming from the left is thatthis is just an isolated incident, that this is not happening everywhere.
It's not prevalent.
There's not.
men trying to go into women's spaces all around the nation, and Republicans are justisolating and bullying this one person.
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That's not the case.
There are a number of incidents, thousands of incidents, whether it is apparent, almostalways white young moms who want to transition their boys.
into little girls all across the nation.
You mentioned some of them already, two of them already, but you see this all across thenation with little boys and parents, wanting to transition their little boys, but you
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certainly see men, grown men look very much like a man.
They're not pretending very well at all wanting to have access.
to women only spaces, whether we're talking about Riley Gaines and the other girls on theswim team, or the boy who, you know, paralyzed a young girl by hitting her in the face too
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hard with a volleyball.
We all saw the Olympics that just happened not too long, the Paris Olympics that just tookplace where two men are allowed to box and beat up on a girl.
We're allowing men to beat up on girls publicly and we're all supposed to just sit around,watch this and say, yeah, that's normal.
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That's not normal, right?
So it's not isolated incidents.
We have a number of examples that we can pivot to now to say this is a growing epidemic, agrowing problem, almost like a mind virus that once it catches people, it seems to really
grip them mind, body, and soul.
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But here's the other argument, is that even if it was just one person...
That would be my whole world if it was me.
It's your whole world when it happened to Sawyer, right?
And we cannot discount letting the litmus test being, well, once we get past a thousandpeople, then we will call it an issue or maybe 2000 people.
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Once we hit a million people, then it will become a problem that we need to address.
No, I say one is one too many.
Just like one illegal coming over the border and killing one American, raping and killingone American girl.
That's one, one too many times, right?
When it doesn't have to be, we need to have this mindset, I believe, of protecting themost vulnerable people in our society.
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I believe that that is the litmus test of how great our nation is, is how we treat
the least of us are the weakest of us.
How do we treat that person, the one who can't defend themselves like a two-year-old boyfrom beginning a process that will have irreparable damage to him?
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One is way too many.
Gaines is awesome, courageous individual.
I'm so proud to know her.
She's incredible.
But quite frankly, if you just think about it logically, it doesn't even make sense.
Their argument, because they're trying to say that it doesn't happen like it barely everhappens, but also that it's OK.
So it's like, is it OK then or is it not OK?
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Because they're acting like, it never happens barely.
Which one is it?
Are you acknowledging that it's not OK if it happens a lot?
It kind of seems like what they're getting.
Harrison, that is a wonderful retort to that, right?
Is it should we not?
Should we not concern ourselves with it because one, it doesn't happen that often, orshould we not concern ourselves with it because it's perfectly normal?
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Which one is it?
It can't be both.
But this is the genius, the evil genius of the Democrat party and their ability to createnarratives.
They will talk out of both sides.
of their mouth and unfortunately in time past the Republican Party or even theconservative right.
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We don't have a ready retort.
A ready counterpoint to push against their evil narrative.
But to your to your point that you made many times, I I've been talking about this now.
I started homeschooling my children.
at this point 12 years ago, because I saw 12 years ago what most people are just nowwaking up to.
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I saw it when my daughter went into kindergarten and I found out she had a guidancecounselor.
And I'm thinking to myself, why does my five-year-old have a guidance counselor?
What is this guidance counselor going to guide my five-year-old on?
I was thinking like I had a guidance counselor when I was in high school.
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that talked me through whether I was going to take the ACT, the SAT, which college I wasgoing to go to, what career path I was going to take.
But why would a five, why would my five year old need a guidance counselor talking to herabout those things?
So I emailed my daughter's guidance counselor.
I asked for her teaching objectives.
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It was 35 of the most ridiculous things.
And I just remember
Three of them, number five was gonna teach my five-year-old how to distinguish between atruth and a lie, to which I thought to myself, most adults I know can't distinguish
between a truth and a lie.
So what rubrics are you, as a guidance counselor, is gonna take into my five-year-olddaughter's classroom and teach her that?
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Number 35 was gonna come home with the permission slip because they were gonna be talkingabout little boys and girls anatomy and how they work at five.
But it was really number 15 that sent off sirens for me and my husband because number 15was teaching my daughter how to recognize and respect different family configurations,
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which of course, as we know today is buzzword for teaching them to to only affirm LGBTQnarratives.
And I saw that
12 years ago now and I'm so very grateful because my babies have not been touched by thewoke mind virus.
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But although I was very outspoken about and I've been outspoken for a very long time aboutit.
Most people have not they've really cowered on this topic for obvious reasons because it'sgoing to cost us something to speak up and say there are only two genders and everything
else is a mental health crisis.
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waiting for a compassionate psychiatrist to sit down with them.
But today, since Donald Trump won, just a couple of weeks ago, there's a sense of couragethat has been reintroduced into the American people's spine.
And I am watching Americans stand up, even, you know, even it's like kind of like a turtlesticking his head out.
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but they're standing up saying, a minute, this is wrong.
I don't agree with this.
That's magnificent.
You homeschool your kids and yeah, the time to speak up is right now.
We have this opportunity to put an end to this craziness.
know, Trump won.
We have everybody just realizing this is wrong.
Maybe you have to dig deep inside yourself.
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Yeah.
Find some courage spine to speak up, speak the truth, what you truly believe.
I mean, otherwise you're going to have to look at yourself in the mirror every night.
You're going to have to look your kids and grandkids in the eyes and say what you did atthis moment in history when we put an end to this nonsense.
Cause that's what's happening.
We've got their number.
We're coming for them.
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It's absolutely unacceptable to mutilate kids.
You know, we have to protect them.
They're the most innocent, wonderful, vulnerable amongst us.
have a duty to protect them.
We're going to protect them.
We're also going to protect women and their spaces.
And this is just madness.
and we're ending it.
So everybody speak up.
You got to be brave.
You have to have conviction.
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Your life will open up when you start to speak the truth.
You'll become a better person and will create a better future for the children of America.
Yes.
And isn't that what it's really about is to create is to the older you get, the more itbecomes very much solidify within me that
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It's all about my posterity.
What kind of world am I going to leave behind for my children?
That's what most people, especially at my age, we begin to think, right?
Right now in your age, it's all about creating a life and working and the economy ofthings.
But as you get older, it really does become about what kind of world am I going to lead tothe next generation?
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And I love how you just said that to everyone in this moment.
This is the moment.
And when it comes to your doorstep, because most people think, this happens to people likeHarrison Tinsley, it doesn't happen to me.
But this will the LGBTQ AI plus alphabet mafia is coming to your doorstep and you willhave to say within yourself, what did I do at this exact moment?
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Because when it comes to your doorstep, will anyone be there to stand up with you?
Or will you have wasted and squandered the moment where you can get become a part of amovement of Americans who are beginning to find their backbone again and standing up
against this onslaught of craziness that is that that has just been unleashed upon us?
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Will you be able to say when it comes to your doorstep?
I did everything within my power to fight against this onslaught.
Or will you stand at your doorstep when this mafia is knocking and say, my goodness, Isquandered the opportunity to build community, to get involved, to effect change, to not
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be alone in this moment.
I love how you said that.
Yeah, I mean, if not you, who if not now, when it's like all the great stories, you know,we see the Lord of the Rings and Star Wars and we watch these movies and everyone watches
and pretends that I'd be on the side of the good guys fighting against the bad guys,having the courage against all odds, against all the different, you know, threats and
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cancellations.
But the reality is, is you have that opportunity right now.
Right now.
This is the war on children.
It's happening right now.
You have the ability to speak up.
You're going to have to look your kid in the eye and say that you did everything youcould.
There wasn't one more thing you could have done for them to be there for them to fight forthat, for them to protect them.
This is your star Wars moment, your Lord of the Rings moment.
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And if you watch those movies and pretend, you know, or world war two or, know, whateverit is, and you pretend that you would have done something courageous, you know, or
fighting against slavery.
Like if you actually think you would have been a good guy in those situations, as opposedto just sat quietly and done nothing.
then you'd be speaking up right now.
Yes.
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courage, takes conviction against, you no matter what the odds are, no matter what thethreats are, you have to fight for kids, for the truth.
Harrison, I love it.
You are, I mean, talk about the conviction, but you're right.
That is such, I mean, you're, I mean, like, you're just providing so many pearls.
If you think you would have been one of those Abraham Lincoln aides who would have stoodon this side,
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of abolishing slavery, if you like to envision yourself as being on the right side, allyou have to do is look at where you are right now on so many issues.
And if you are silent today, guess what?
You would have been silent back in 1862.
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was 1863 that Abraham Lincoln abolished slavery with the Emancipation Proclamation.
And if you are silent today,
You would have been silent back then too.
If you lack courage, you would have lacked courage then.
If you would have been so worried about being disinvited to the Christmas party of yourneighbor or people un-liking you and blocking you on social media, if you're concerned
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with that today, guess what?
You would have been one of those people who either would have fought against
Abraham Lincoln to keep slavery or you would have been one of even the worst wise youwould have been the ones on the fence who had nothing to say who would have been lukewarm
and if you read Revelation chapter 3 when Jesus get to the church Who is lukewarm thechurch who sits on a fence the church who's not hot nor cold?
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He said you make me sick.
I want to vomit when I think about you That's how horrible you are
So yeah, I know I'm laying it on thick because the time calls for it.
It is either now or never.
And as Harrison said, if not you, then who?
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And if not now, then when are you gonna get off the sidelines and start looking around?
And you won't have to look that far, I assure you, to find people who are say, I'm meetingup here, I am going here, we are sending letters to this legislator, we are going to this.
School board is literally in your community.
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If you are in a community, you have a public school board and you can do if nothing else,you can just show up and sit and take notes and put yourself in the put yourself in the
path of of resisting the foolishness because if you're waiting, if you think just votingfor Donald Trump is enough 2016
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2020 should have taught you the lesson.
We have been given a reprieve and it is encumbered upon each and every one of us to do ourpart.
Donald Trump is not Jesus.
He cannot do it on his own.
It's going to take the rest of us to get engaged.
Harrison, I give you the final word.
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There's this darkness that has been falling over our society, over us as a people, but wecan be the light.
We can protect the kids.
We can win against all odds, no matter what.
We just have to be brave, speak the truth, protect the most vulnerable.
This is the moment in history.
Everyone has a chance to be someone that makes a difference, to fight for something thatmatters.
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Children matter.
Women matter.
The truth matters.
This is it.
This is going to be in the history books.
Where will you stand?
What will you tell your grandkids when it comes to your door?
or when it comes to this world, you know, look, the UK's banned it, countries in Europehave banned it because of the CAS files, they've banned this child mutilation stuff for a
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reason.
You follow the data, the actual science, this stuff is not working, it's not helping withtheir mental health outcomes in any way, or form.
It's potentially making them worse.
And we're gonna stop it, speak up, be brave, save the kids.
Let me ask you one more question before I let you go.
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Sawyer is turning five next month.
That means he will start public school next year.
And like I said, like I read off earlier, Gavin Newsom, governor of California, GavinNewsom has signed into law AB 1955 that allow that bans school boards.
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from past school districts from passing policies that require schools to notify parents iftheir child asked to change their gender identification.
Have you given any thought to what you're going to do with your son and his education?
I'm figuring out the best way to keep him safe from all this nonsense.
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I'll absolutely make sure that he is in an environment, whether that's home school or aschool that's non-woke, where he can just thrive and learn.
about normal kid stuff and have this crazy gender ideology and propaganda nowhere nearhim.
And he's gonna have an amazing life and I'm always gonna protect him and fight for otherpeople's kids as well.
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yes, our school system is definitely flawed.
It is perhaps move out of California should be on that list of top 10 things to do toprotect you never know.
But you never know.
But what I do know is that it really is going to be young men like yourself.
young men, young women, but primarily young men who are really going to affect the kind ofchange and inject the kind of courage into our culture that we need.
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We've seen it, we talked a lot during the Trump campaign, the presidential campaign, oflooking at these young men who are sick and tired of being told to just shut up, sit down.
Believe the woman, you have no opinion, your masculinity is toxic.
And it's so encouraging to meet a young man.
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You're still a very young man, but it's really encouraging to know that you started thisfight at 27 to be a part of your child's life.
That says so much in the culture in which we're living in today that has so manyderogatory opinions about our young people and specifically about our young men.
And it really does my heart well to see you fighting for what is right because we reallydo need men to stand up.
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And if enough people stand up and speak out against this, this will end.
Thank you kindly.
We do need more men.
personally see much more moms and women speaking up on these issues and more men need tobe bold and have some conviction and be the protectors that they were made to be so we can
have a thriving society and protect children.
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Yeah, well, I love it.
Well, everyone that is Harrison Tinsley.
I am so very grateful Harrison that you would stop by and share your story.
This is what we must do.
It's like iron sharpening iron, everyone.
We must tell our stories.
It truly empowers each and every one of us.
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It gives us whatever that that we need to know that we're not alone and that there arepeople who are out here fighting.
So Harrison, thank you so very much for coming.
Please tell Sawyer we said, hey, I would love to meet him one day.
I'm so very.
So happy for you and your family and I look forward to hearing the rest of your story in acouple of years from now.
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It sounds wonderful.
Thank you so much, Kathy.
everyone, this is Cathy Barnett.
Thank you so much for listening to the Cathy Barnett Show.
I'm just going to jump right in.
We have a riveting story by a rather young man battling the system.
What we're going to talk about today is very much in the news today, especially whenyou're looking at what U.S.
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Representative Nancy Mace is trying to accomplish with her bill.
in protecting women's spaces against transgender or men who believe they are women justbecause they don't address and hair and nails.
So I'm going to bring my guest right on in Harrison Tinsley.
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Hello, sir.
How are you?
I'm not standing.
How are you doing?
I am doing well.
Thank you so very much for coming on.
just want you to just jump right in to the beginning of your story and kind of walk usthrough what it is that kind of this tsunami just from I have not intentionally I did not
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dive deep into your story because I want to hear it firsthand is very difficult.
when you're trying to suss out what is true when you start Googling stories, you don'treally know what is real, what is not real.
And so, but I heard about your story and I wanted to bring you on.
So I'm just going to turn it over to you.
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Yeah.
Well, thank you so much for having me.
Nancy Mase is definitely a hero.
And my story starts like five, five, six years back.
I was in the Bay area.
I met a girl.
karaoke, I sang her a song, we ended up dating and falling in love.
And we didn't agree politically.
And I thought that was something that we could get past.
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But unfortunately, America has become so polarized that caused a lot of problems.
And just a few months into our relationship, she got pregnant.
And thankfully, we were both stoked about that.
And we found out it was a boy and agreed upon the name Sawyer, which was amazing.
And we were both thrilled.
And I was always extremely enthusiastic about everything.
Wanted to be in his life and his mom posted when she announced that she was pregnant onsocial media.
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She was like, baby, so we're doing December.
I'll love you.
Whether you're a boy or girl or neither.
And that was kind of concerning.
That was the red flag number one.
So that was your first red flag boy, girl or neither.
Yeah.
Even though she was stoked that it, that he was a boy.
So it was interesting, but yes, that was a big red flag for sure.
And,
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You know, pregnancy went on super stoked and enthusiastic, being a part of everything, youknow, going to doctor's visits.
And, essentially she just got really hostile towards me.
seemed like over politics and I was just started to get like threatened, daily.
She would also talk to my mom and sister and threaten it that I wouldn't be in Sawyer'slife if I wasn't like more politically correct, essentially.
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And, this is around what year, what year is this?
2019.
Okay, so Donald Trump's in office.
The world is on fire.
There is no middle ground with this man.
Apparently either you really appreciate him or he's Hitler according to some.
And so I guess she was on the of the opinion that he was really, really bad and a danger,a threat to democracy and all of that.
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That's, that's how it seemed.
Yeah.
Where were you at that time?
Where were you politically at that time?
You know, conservative, somewhat libertarian, but I wasn't as political then as I am now.
It's stronger in my convictions as I looked into things more and more.
when she started threatening you with not being able to see your son, has she deliveredthe baby at that point or was she still pregnant?
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No, this is just during pregnancy.
OK.
Yeah.
So she's pregnant.
And it gets to a point where roughly halfway into her pregnancy, basically sends me likebreaks up with me, sends me a cease and desist letter from her attorney, you know, saying
not to talk to her and different legal threats, which I respected.
And essentially I didn't know when my son was born.
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found out one week later from social media, one of her friends reaching out to me andtelling me and sending me a picture.
And that was heartbreaking.
Of course.
And from there, I figured out what I was going to do.
went to this legal self-help center in San Francisco and they helped me file all thisstuff.
took about two months.
Filed this giant filing for a parentage, custody and visitation of my son in February.
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So two months after he was born.
And from there, it took 13 more months just for me to meet him.
So I got to finally meet him when he was 15 months old in spite of knowing about him thewhole time.
was travesty.
was heartbreaking.
But it made me stronger man to be a better dad for him and a better fighter for the futureof the children of America.
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So now we're in 2022 almost at this point.
No, this is just 2020.
So this is 2020 at the height of all the craziness that we have been going through.
Yeah, 2021.
Yeah, yeah, 2020, 2021.
But nevertheless,
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And I keep bringing up politics because it's kind of this parallel world we've been livingin where one day we would agree to disagree on issues, but generally we just moved right
along.
knew people who, a Democrat and a Republican living in the same household, they just agreeto disagree and they just created a life to each other.
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And then all of a sudden in our country was 2016 happened.
It was like the, not only the introduction of MAGA with Donald Trump, but also theintroduction of this mind virus that seemed to grip the mind and heart and soul of half
the nation.
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And you, one would think that maybe she's mad at you initially, but at some pointthroughout the first 15 months of the child's life.
Something in her would say, you know, maybe he should at least meet his child.
But unfortunately, what I find is that the mind virus is so strong.
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These people are just not flexible.
They're very rooted in their worldview.
Yeah, the mind virus is definitely very strong, very unfortunate.
It definitely propagandizes a lot of people and makes them
Emotionally react to things that they would otherwise logically probably not have suchvisceral reactions to.
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So she wasn't flexible at all.
she was trying very hard 15 months.
Yeah.
She was doing everything she could to, not let me meet him, making it impossible withCOVID restrictions, making up lies about me, the most horrendous lies possible that were
crazily untrue and horrific.
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And just something that.
no one should have to go through.
unfortunately in family court, it's a common occurrence that lies are said about the otherparent.
And not just any family court, but this is family court in California, right?
In San Francisco, California.
And San Francisco, know what?
I mean, again, which is another world of in and of itself, San Francisco family court.
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So here you are at the time you're 27 years old.
When your son is conceived, now you're going into, you're a young man.
You're in California, which is bad enough when you're trying to fight against a woke mindvirus, but you're in San Francisco, the epic center of this woke mind virus.
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And what begins to happen with around 15 months of your child's life?
I get to visit with him, which is spectacular.
Just getting to look into his eyes for the first time and hug him for the first time wasamazing.
mean, just there's nothing like it.
Like the amount of love in your heart just opens up in ways you could never imagine whenyou have a kid.
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really changes who you are.
And just getting to experience that was just miraculous.
And yeah, I'm so thankful that it finally got to happen.
They did make it as hard as possible.
They tried to have people be there when I was visiting with them and all these things.
But I fought for a few months through all of that nonsense and I moved to the Bay Area andthe judge actually, who said it was a travesty that I hadn't seen them for 15 months as
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well, gave me half custody immediately when I moved to the Bay Area.
So super thankful for that.
And I started to have him half the time.
And yeah, just started to bond is the end of the story?
No.
Okay.
Well, what happened next?
Well,
The lies about me became more heinous and more widespread.
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She started to defame and harass me online pretty regularly and horrendously.
And so I was awarded a temporary restraining order because of it was such bad defamation.
It was verifiably untrue.
as well as- some of the things, do you mind sharing?
What were some of the things she said about you that would allow a court to award you?
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A restraining order.
The worst thing is possible.
Like you can think like Brett Kavanaugh or Johnny Depp.
just very horrible things that are completely untrue.
Right.
Yeah.
And so from there, I had half custody, got this temporary restraining order because I wasbeing defamed so much.
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And his mom started to call him they, them and pretend that I believe herself as well ashim were non-binary.
Now, how old is your son at this point?
Roughly two.
So at two years old, she had decided that she saw something within him or maybe heverbalized it as a two year old.
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I don't know if they're even speaking very clear early at that age.
I can't recall.
I have two kids of my own, but you know, time, time begins to blend together.
But somehow she had gathered enough information to believe that her son was transmittingto her that he was actually not a he.
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He was a non-binary.
Well, I disagree with the premise and so that she pushed that idea herself to either getat me or because she started to identify that way herself or she wanted to be able to show
off to her friends that she had, you know, some sort of special
or whatever, think people often use it nowadays as like a Gucci handbag, so to speak,virtue signal of their compassion, because they have a What was it that, what was she
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communicating to you and to the court and to others that she noticed about her son thatgave her the impression that he was trying to tell her
That he was really not a he, he was a she or that he was non-binary altogether.
What was she saying?
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Yeah, well, she didn't really describe it in detail.
I think it was more of like the idea that kids should be non-binary until they can choosefor themselves, perhaps.
OK.
But he I can just tell you, I was spending a lot of time with him and my half custody timeI spent every second with him.
The whole time I had half custody and.
He definitely did not feel that way.
He always adamantly said he's a boy and wants to be a boy.
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He never went along with it, not even a little bit.
So he wasn't expressing that for sure.
It was being forced upon him.
And sometimes she would put dresses on him and makeup on him or coerce him.
She took him to Disneyland one time and he told me after.
It was like, Dada, when I went to Disneyland, I couldn't go on the rides unless I wore myprincess shoes and I didn't want to wear princess shoes.
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I wanted to wear boy shoes.
Right.
So it seemed much more like it was being forced upon him.
And he had no interest in it at all.
I don't think a two year old can even comprehend such an abstract idea.
Yeah, so it was definitely being forced upon him.
So there was that and the restraining order which ended up being violated as well.
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And his mom ended up getting arrested for child endangerment and placed on a 5150 while hewas with her.
What is the 5150?
Involuntary psychiatric hold by the police.
Okay.
So she was displaying some suicidal tendencies.
well, it wasn't, it wasn't that I can't speak to what police officers essentially madetheir decision, but we did subpoena all the body cam footage from the night.
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And then basically there was just a, night where she had a big fight with her roommate andwas acting very erratic or manic and she was possibly a danger to herself or others,
including of course.
And so that was horrifying and ended up getting a trial granted to me because of thosethings, mainly that one and some other little broken court orders and stuff.
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And so, yeah, we ended up having a four day trial ended up being five days and they didn'treally let me submit a lot of evidence for attorney sort of just objected to everything
that I or witnesses said.
And so I tried to waste the court's time so that we ran out of time and didn't get topresent our evidence.
We didn't really get to cross examine her, which seems completely against the courtsystem.
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But yeah, after the trial, though, regardless, you we presented all this evidence and westill felt confident that there's no way they can't, you know, benefit us in some way.
But a few weeks later, the court gave their decision and decided to keep custody 50 50.
And, you know, that was a little devastating.
You know, it was just like, wow, I finally had my chance to actually present, you know,how crazy this all is and how much danger soldiers in and the court didn't do anything.
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So I'm going to have to try something else.
And I decided I was going to start to speak out publicly.
And so I'm thankful to like Daily Wire and Matt Walsh and they, they broke my story andabout everything that had happened.
And from there, I just started doing.
as many interviews and events as possible, speaking at the Capitol against some of thecrazy anti-parent bills in California, just doing all these interviews, speaking up how we
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need to protect kids, especially from gender ideology, how it doesn't belong anywhere nearthem, how it should be classified as child abuse in my opinion, and just how this is just
a crazy social contagion that needs to stop, we're hurting children irreversibly.
No, there's all these D transitioners now, Chloe Cole, who's amazing, speaking up and kidscan't come.
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Amazing.
Yeah.
She totally is.
She's such a bright light and she's so positive.
I really enjoyed the time with her.
And so now you become an activist.
whereas at the 27 year old man, you were, you would have identified as conservative, butnot very politically involved.
But now this issue with your son, like I've seen with so many parents has.
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forced people to pay attention and to engage in the world of politics like they neverwould have imagined before.
So now you're an activist, then what happened?
Well, people need to start speaking up before it comes to their front door.
Yes.
You know, I really believe that that's important.
That's how we can stop this is everyone just speaks what they believe.
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Everyone's too scared to say the truth.
But the time is now we have the momentum and the high ground.
Everyone knows this stuff is wrong.
Don't be like me.
Don't wait till it happens to your kid or to your niece or nephew.
You need to start speaking up right now and we can end this.
But I agree.
So, so where, so where is the situation with your son?
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So you're now, is it still 50 50 with you and his mother?
So we decided to appeal that decision and to try to get the appeals court to reverse thatand right.
you know, did get granted a criminal protective order because of the violation of thetemporary temporary restraining order.
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but the family court didn't give me a family court restraining order, which wasridiculous.
they pretty much had to, but they didn't.
And, I mean, I started to start speaking out as much as I can doing whatever I can tospeak up and speak out for truth and for protecting kids.
And I'm just in the middle of this journey of.
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fighting for truth and for the future of America.
And I essentially one day just got a bunch of missed calls from the San Francisco police.
And I went and I picked Sawyer up and there had been another incident with his mom andphysical violence in front of him and her even getting him possibly involved in the
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violence.
And so basically I picked him up and I filed the next part in court the next day.
which the court actually denied, which was really shocking.
But thankfully, CPS stepped up and gave me temporary custody and did this wholeinvestigation.
And I just feel like it was a miracle that God gave me these CPS workers he did thatreally care about children and not politics.
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His mom lied about me every which way and just brought up all this political stuff, butthey didn't care about any of that.
They just did their job to protect Sawyer and found out the truth.
Yeah.
So there are still some good ones out there.
And so where is Sawyer now?
Well, so they did this whole investigation and we ended up coming to agreement anddependency court, which is a step above family court.
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And essentially I have full custody of Sawyer.
So I have full physical custody and we have split legal custody, but I have the decisionmaking ability.
So essentially I have full physical and legal custody of him.
he's.
Wow.
safe with me and this is in California, San Francisco of all places and CPS whoessentially made this happen.
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Yes.
Well bravo.
And how old is Sawyer?
He's four.
He's turning five soon.
Wow.
This baby has been through a lot in his young life.
He absolutely has, but he's thriving being with me and having a stable environment.
Right.
He's just an incredible kid and I'm so blessed and lucky to have him.
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And just to have saved him, just, it's such a dream come true.
So many people thought it was impossible.
I mean, it's hard just as a dad to win custody.
Yeah.
but you add in, you know, the politics and the gender stuff and it's just so spectacularthat I was able to win.
And I'm so thankful.
And I just want to help other people protect their kids.
Cause a lot of parents are going through family court and having this gender stuffweaponized against them.
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know, like Jeff Younger just lost custody of his son.
And I think they're going to start to.
give us some Lupron or something similar and, you know, Adam Vena, some friends of minethat are just lose custody over the gender stuff.
it's just terrifying really.
I mean, it is a very real issue.
And as I'm watching what's unfolding with represent US representative, Mace proposal, shehas proposed a bill.
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want to get the wording right.
A resolution actually to mend the US house rules to prohibit
single sex facilities being used by biological men.
As most people know, especially if you're watching and listening to my podcast, you knowthat US that of all places, Delaware has elected the first, what they are calling trans, I
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don't know, the trans man, trans woman, US representative Sarah.
who 10 years ago was Tim McBride.
So Tim McBride, who now 10 years later is calling himself Sarah, is a man who dresses likea woman.
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I guess he believes he is a woman as well.
And he has won the US House of Representatives seat, one of the seats out of Delaware.
state and now he is on his way January 6th to the US House.
And the question has come up whether or not he will be allowed to use women onlyrestrooms.
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And there are many who are saying, well, of course, like, it's a none, it's a nonestarter.
We shouldn't even be talking about this.
And to talk about it.
is to be a bully, is to be insensitive, is to be a rube, is to be the worst type of humanbeing.
And I disagree with that vehemently.
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I believe there are only two genders.
I've been very clear about that.
And everything else is a mental health disorder, waiting for a compassionate psychiatristto sit down and begin to have a conversation with that person.
And although I can have, and I believe we should have sympathy for people who arestruggling with this mental illness, I do not believe it is my responsibility to afflict a
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mental illness upon myself in order to make someone else feel comfortable about theirmental illness.
I do not believe that I should be solicited and drawn into this play acting.
just to make someone else feel comfortable with where they find themselves.
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And for some reason, that is really disturbing to a lot of people that I will notvoluntarily throw myself into a mental health crisis in order to make someone who is going
through a mental health crisis feel better about it.
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Well, you're absolutely correct.
There's only two sexes.
and anything else is just a personality or a mental disorder.
It's insane that we're even considering this stuff.
The reality is the vast majority of Americans agree that women should have their own safespaces such as locker rooms and bathrooms.
They should have their own sports and opportunities protected.
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You know, we're having guys break girls world records, taking their scholarships, win alltheir state titles.
Paralyzing girls, knocking their teeth out, punching them in the face.
Yeah, and everyone knows that's wrong at the end of the day.
And everyone also doesn't want, you know, schools keeping secrets from parents, takingtheir kids to school, calling them a different name, putting the dress on and then putting
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their normal clothes back on and giving them back to the parents and pretending likenothing's happened in California.
Because who's undressing your child?
Who's monitoring the undressing and the redressing of your child in these?
facilities outside of your home.
And why should I trust this stranger more than I trust my husband or my family or myself?
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It's very illogical what we're going through, but I believe it's intentional.
I do not believe we've arrived at this point where we are supposed to all pretend thatsuddenly after thousands of human history,
that suddenly we've forgotten that there's only two genders.
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And now miraculously, we're all supposed to pretend that now you can just make it up asyou go.
There can be 84, 87 different genders, and we're all supposed to just pretend that this isokay.
And it's not okay.
It's not okay to me as a woman.
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I believe I have every right to be able to go into my own safe space and not have to worryor guess if there's a man in here with me and what his motivations may be.
I believe it's unfair to our children who are being groomed, who are being mutilated inmany cases and demoralized.
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I don't believe that is fair for our young boys who are supposed to just stand by.
and not do anything and just watch the degradation of our world.
It's evil and it's wrong and they're expecting us to take part in the lie to literallycall them by names and things that they aren't actually.
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There's nothing loving or compassionate about affirming a delusion.
We need to tell these people the truth even if it's hard to hear sometimes that Godcreated you as a man or woman and that's what you'll always be every
Cell in your body is XX or XY.
There's nothing compassionate.
We don't tell any of our kids that are anorexic to not eat dinner.
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You know, you don't tell your kid if they want to say that they're Spider-Man to swing offof buildings.
We don't, we don't affirm anything else.
This is the only thing that we're pretending it's okay to affirm a delusion.
It's not, and everyone knows it's wrong.
And we have this momentum.
We're going to end this.
This is the battle of our lifetime.
And you can see,
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Like right now, everyone's speaking up about it from President Trump to JD Vance to ElonMusk.
mean, Elon Musk moved his businesses out of California because of AB1955, whichessentially gives schools the power to keep secrets about gender from parents.
mean, this is insane.
How insane is that?
I was going to ask you about that.
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On July of this year, 2024, California Governor Gavin Newsom signed a first in the nationlaw.
banning school districts from passing policies that require schools to notify parents iftheir child asks to change their gender identification.
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What that mean, and I want you to respond to this, this bill that he signed into law, bansrules requiring school staff to disclose a student's gender identity or sexual
orientation.
to any other person without the child's permission.
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Now you're talking about a five-year-old, a seven-year-old, a 12, a 13, a 15, a childgiving permission to tell their parents what's going on with them.
This bill that has been signed into law requires the California Department of Education tooffer resources to parents.
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and students about how to manage conversations about gender and identity privately.
And according to the Northern California ACLU, the Safety Act would, in addition topreventing forced disclosure of LGBTQ plus identity, would also provide information for
parents and education personnel on acceptance and the creation of safe spaces fortransgender students.
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I mean, it's wicked.
It's weird.
It makes you question them as a whole.
How could you do something so terrible?
I mean, they won't even give your kid a Tylenol without contacting you first.
So I'm not sure how they could do something as large as changing their gender behind yourback.
And it's a very common thing too, to anyone who thinks it's uncommon.
mean, there's thousands of stories all around the country, especially California, ofcourse.
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But I was stoked to see someone like Elon Musk step up and
You move his businesses out over it.
They've tried to pass lots of other bills like 665 where, you know, kids can almostemancipate themselves at 12 years old at 12 years old and go to government shelters where
they can transition and AB 957, which it was a miracle that Newsome vetoed, but that thatwas directly telling family courts to have judges rule in the favor of the affirming
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parent.
I told them when I was talking to the legislators, like, I should be the first one to wincustody because my son says he's a boy.
So his mom by saying he's non-binary is not affirming him.
And they did actually agree with me that that's how it's worked, that would work.
I don't know that in practicality it would have gone like that, but it was interesting.
yeah, I mean, look, these people are child-regulation advocates.
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too is telling you this, right?
He says I'm So we're looking to the child.
I mean, again, this is just such grooming behavior of getting children to not trust.
the very people they should trust, mom and dad.
And instead to put their trust in strangers who we don't know what strangers will do,right?
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When I was growing up, the thought was stranger danger.
You don't have to be fearful and run away from a stranger, but you need to be cautiouswhen you're meeting, when you're walking into the space of adults you don't know,
especially as a female.
as a little girl walking into a room full of strange men.
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need to be cautious about that.
And now we're saying, no, no, no, no, no, see, you trust the room full of completestrangers who have not invested their life into your wellbeing.
And the ones you should not trust are your parents who have come together, created aloving environment, who is working for you.
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in the battle for you.
Don't trust those people.
Trust us, the court, the elected politicians, the janitor, the teacher, the principal.
Trust us, not your parents.
That's the dynamics we're in right now.
Yeah, parents have a right to their kids.
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We love them way more than any government person or a teacher ever will.
It's a delusional idea that they should have more rights to our kids than us.
That's clearly what they want.
And you brought up like being a woman.
It's interesting that they're now those same people are putting men into women's lockerrooms and letting them undress in front of them and pretending that that's compassionate
or a pro woman or feminist.
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I it's just the opposite of the truth.
It's very Orwellian.
And these people are child mutilation advocates.
They're literally having kids take surgeries and hormones.
that will mutilate their bodies forever, sterilize them for life.
children cannot consent to that in any way, shape or form.
It's sick and evil, needs to absolutely be stopped.
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I mean, we are literally ruining kids' lives.
I mean, just a couple of points here.
One, because you've said it a number of times that these are not isolated incidents.
And again, as we're watching the unfolding of Nancy Mace and
the newly elected US representative Sarah slash Tim McBride, who's the man in women'sdresses wanting to go into women's spaces.
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As we're watching all of this unfold, one of comments that's coming from the left is thatthis is just an isolated incident, that this is not happening everywhere.
It's not prevalent.
There's not.
men trying to go into women's spaces all around the nation, and Republicans are justisolating and bullying this one person.
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That's not the case.
There are a number of incidents, thousands of incidents, whether it is apparent, almostalways white young moms who want to transition their boys.
into little girls all across the nation.
You mentioned some of them already, two of them already, but you see this all across thenation with little boys and parents, wanting to transition their little boys, but you
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certainly see men, grown men look very much like a man.
They're not pretending very well at all wanting to have access.
to women only spaces, whether we're talking about Riley Gaines and the other girls on theswim team, or the boy who, you know, paralyzed a young girl by hitting her in the face too
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hard with a volleyball.
We all saw the Olympics that just happened not too long, the Paris Olympics that just tookplace where two men are allowed to box and beat up on a girl.
We're allowing men to beat up on girls publicly and we're all supposed to just sit around,watch this and say, yeah, that's normal.
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That's not normal, right?
So it's not isolated incidents.
We have a number of examples that we can pivot to now to say this is a growing epidemic, agrowing problem, almost like a mind virus that once it catches people, it seems to really
grip them mind, body, and soul.
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But here's the other argument, is that even if it was just one person...
That would be my whole world if it was me.
It's your whole world when it happened to Sawyer, right?
And we cannot discount letting the litmus test being, well, once we get past a thousandpeople, then we will call it an issue or maybe 2000 people.
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Once we hit a million people, then it will become a problem that we need to address.
No, I say one is one too many.
Just like one illegal coming over the border and killing one American, raping and killingone American girl.
That's one, one too many times, right?
When it doesn't have to be, we need to have this mindset, I believe, of protecting themost vulnerable people in our society.
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I believe that that is the litmus test of how great our nation is, is how we treat
the least of us are the weakest of us.
How do we treat that person, the one who can't defend themselves like a two-year-old boyfrom beginning a process that will have irreparable damage to him?
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One is way too many.
Gaines is awesome, courageous individual.
I'm so proud to know her.
She's incredible.
But quite frankly, if you just think about it logically, it doesn't even make sense.
Their argument, because they're trying to say that it doesn't happen like it barely everhappens, but also that it's OK.
So it's like, is it OK then or is it not OK?
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Because they're acting like, it never happens barely.
Which one is it?
Are you acknowledging that it's not OK if it happens a lot?
It kind of seems like what they're getting.
Harrison, that is a wonderful retort to that, right?
Is it should we not?
Should we not concern ourselves with it because one, it doesn't happen that often, orshould we not concern ourselves with it because it's perfectly normal?
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Which one is it?
It can't be both.
But this is the genius, the evil genius of the Democrat party and their ability to createnarratives.
They will talk out of both sides.
of their mouth and unfortunately in time past the Republican Party or even theconservative right.
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We don't have a ready retort.
A ready counterpoint to push against their evil narrative.
But to your to your point that you made many times, I I've been talking about this now.
I started homeschooling my children.
at this point 12 years ago, because I saw 12 years ago what most people are just nowwaking up to.
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I saw it when my daughter went into kindergarten and I found out she had a guidancecounselor.
And I'm thinking to myself, why does my five-year-old have a guidance counselor?
What is this guidance counselor going to guide my five-year-old on?
I was thinking like I had a guidance counselor when I was in high school.
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that talked me through whether I was going to take the ACT, the SAT, which college I wasgoing to go to, what career path I was going to take.
But why would a five, why would my five year old need a guidance counselor talking to herabout those things?
So I emailed my daughter's guidance counselor.
I asked for her teaching objectives.
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It was 35 of the most ridiculous things.
And I just remember
Three of them, number five was gonna teach my five-year-old how to distinguish between atruth and a lie, to which I thought to myself, most adults I know can't distinguish
between a truth and a lie.
So what rubrics are you, as a guidance counselor, is gonna take into my five-year-olddaughter's classroom and teach her that?
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Number 35 was gonna come home with the permission slip because they were gonna be talkingabout little boys and girls anatomy and how they work at five.
But it was really number 15 that sent off sirens for me and my husband because number 15was teaching my daughter how to recognize and respect different family configurations,
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which of course, as we know today is buzzword for teaching them to to only affirm LGBTQnarratives.
And I saw that
12 years ago now and I'm so very grateful because my babies have not been touched by thewoke mind virus.
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But although I was very outspoken about and I've been outspoken for a very long time aboutit.
Most people have not they've really cowered on this topic for obvious reasons because it'sgoing to cost us something to speak up and say there are only two genders and everything
else is a mental health crisis.
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waiting for a compassionate psychiatrist to sit down with them.
But today, since Donald Trump won, just a couple of weeks ago, there's a sense of couragethat has been reintroduced into the American people's spine.
And I am watching Americans stand up, even, you know, even it's like kind of like a turtlesticking his head out.
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but they're standing up saying, a minute, this is wrong.
I don't agree with this.
That's magnificent.
You homeschool your kids and yeah, the time to speak up is right now.
We have this opportunity to put an end to this craziness.
know, Trump won.
We have everybody just realizing this is wrong.
Maybe you have to dig deep inside yourself.
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Yeah.
Find some courage spine to speak up, speak the truth, what you truly believe.
I mean, otherwise you're going to have to look at yourself in the mirror every night.
You're going to have to look your kids and grandkids in the eyes and say what you did atthis moment in history when we put an end to this nonsense.
Cause that's what's happening.
We've got their number.
We're coming for them.
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It's absolutely unacceptable to mutilate kids.
You know, we have to protect them.
They're the most innocent, wonderful, vulnerable amongst us.
have a duty to protect them.
We're going to protect them.
We're also going to protect women and their spaces.
And this is just madness.
and we're ending it.
So everybody speak up.
You got to be brave.
You have to have conviction.
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Your life will open up when you start to speak the truth.
You'll become a better person and will create a better future for the children of America.
Yes.
And isn't that what it's really about is to create is to the older you get, the more itbecomes very much solidify within me that
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It's all about my posterity.
What kind of world am I going to leave behind for my children?
That's what most people, especially at my age, we begin to think, right?
Right now in your age, it's all about creating a life and working and the economy ofthings.
But as you get older, it really does become about what kind of world am I going to lead tothe next generation?
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And I love how you just said that to everyone in this moment.
This is the moment.
And when it comes to your doorstep, because most people think, this happens to people likeHarrison Tinsley, it doesn't happen to me.
But this will the LGBTQ AI plus alphabet mafia is coming to your doorstep and you willhave to say within yourself, what did I do at this exact moment?
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Because when it comes to your doorstep, will anyone be there to stand up with you?
Or will you have wasted and squandered the moment where you can get become a part of amovement of Americans who are beginning to find their backbone again and standing up
against this onslaught of craziness that is that that has just been unleashed upon us?
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Will you be able to say when it comes to your doorstep?
I did everything within my power to fight against this onslaught.
Or will you stand at your doorstep when this mafia is knocking and say, my goodness, Isquandered the opportunity to build community, to get involved, to effect change, to not
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be alone in this moment.
I love how you said that.
Yeah, I mean, if not you, who if not now, when it's like all the great stories, you know,we see the Lord of the Rings and Star Wars and we watch these movies and everyone watches
and pretends that I'd be on the side of the good guys fighting against the bad guys,having the courage against all odds, against all the different, you know, threats and
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cancellations.
But the reality is, is you have that opportunity right now.
Right now.
This is the war on children.
It's happening right now.
You have the ability to speak up.
You're going to have to look your kid in the eye and say that you did everything youcould.
There wasn't one more thing you could have done for them to be there for them to fight forthat, for them to protect them.
This is your star Wars moment, your Lord of the Rings moment.
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And if you watch those movies and pretend, you know, or world war two or, know, whateverit is, and you pretend that you would have done something courageous, you know, or
fighting against slavery.
Like if you actually think you would have been a good guy in those situations, as opposedto just sat quietly and done nothing.
then you'd be speaking up right now.
Yes.
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courage, takes conviction against, you no matter what the odds are, no matter what thethreats are, you have to fight for kids, for the truth.
Harrison, I love it.
You are, I mean, talk about the conviction, but you're right.
That is such, I mean, you're, I mean, like, you're just providing so many pearls.
If you think you would have been one of those Abraham Lincoln aides who would have stoodon this side,
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of abolishing slavery, if you like to envision yourself as being on the right side, allyou have to do is look at where you are right now on so many issues.
And if you are silent today, guess what?
You would have been silent back in 1862.
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was 1863 that Abraham Lincoln abolished slavery with the Emancipation Proclamation.
And if you are silent today,
You would have been silent back then too.
If you lack courage, you would have lacked courage then.
If you would have been so worried about being disinvited to the Christmas party of yourneighbor or people un-liking you and blocking you on social media, if you're concerned
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with that today, guess what?
You would have been one of those people who either would have fought against
Abraham Lincoln to keep slavery or you would have been one of even the worst wise youwould have been the ones on the fence who had nothing to say who would have been lukewarm
and if you read Revelation chapter 3 when Jesus get to the church Who is lukewarm thechurch who sits on a fence the church who's not hot nor cold?
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He said you make me sick.
I want to vomit when I think about you That's how horrible you are
So yeah, I know I'm laying it on thick because the time calls for it.
It is either now or never.
And as Harrison said, if not you, then who?
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And if not now, then when are you gonna get off the sidelines and start looking around?
And you won't have to look that far, I assure you, to find people who are say, I'm meetingup here, I am going here, we are sending letters to this legislator, we are going to this.
School board is literally in your community.
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If you are in a community, you have a public school board and you can do if nothing else,you can just show up and sit and take notes and put yourself in the put yourself in the
path of of resisting the foolishness because if you're waiting, if you think just votingfor Donald Trump is enough 2016
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2020 should have taught you the lesson.
We have been given a reprieve and it is encumbered upon each and every one of us to do ourpart.
Donald Trump is not Jesus.
He cannot do it on his own.
It's going to take the rest of us to get engaged.
Harrison, I give you the final word.
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There's this darkness that has been falling over our society, over us as a people, but wecan be the light.
We can protect the kids.
We can win against all odds, no matter what.
We just have to be brave, speak the truth, protect the most vulnerable.
This is the moment in history.
Everyone has a chance to be someone that makes a difference, to fight for something thatmatters.
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Children matter.
Women matter.
The truth matters.
This is it.
This is going to be in the history books.
Where will you stand?
What will you tell your grandkids when it comes to your door?
or when it comes to this world, you know, look, the UK's banned it, countries in Europehave banned it because of the CAS files, they've banned this child mutilation stuff for a
(48:10):
reason.
You follow the data, the actual science, this stuff is not working, it's not helping withtheir mental health outcomes in any way, or form.
It's potentially making them worse.
And we're gonna stop it, speak up, be brave, save the kids.
Let me ask you one more question before I let you go.
(48:31):
Sawyer is turning five next month.
That means he will start public school next year.
And like I said, like I read off earlier, Gavin Newsom, governor of California, GavinNewsom has signed into law AB 1955 that allow that bans school boards.
(48:56):
from past school districts from passing policies that require schools to notify parents iftheir child asked to change their gender identification.
Have you given any thought to what you're going to do with your son and his education?
I'm figuring out the best way to keep him safe from all this nonsense.
(49:17):
I'll absolutely make sure that he is in an environment, whether that's home school or aschool that's non-woke, where he can just thrive and learn.
about normal kid stuff and have this crazy gender ideology and propaganda nowhere nearhim.
And he's gonna have an amazing life and I'm always gonna protect him and fight for otherpeople's kids as well.
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yes, our school system is definitely flawed.
It is perhaps move out of California should be on that list of top 10 things to do toprotect you never know.
But you never know.
But what I do know is that it really is going to be young men like yourself.
young men, young women, but primarily young men who are really going to affect the kind ofchange and inject the kind of courage into our culture that we need.
(50:07):
We've seen it, we talked a lot during the Trump campaign, the presidential campaign, oflooking at these young men who are sick and tired of being told to just shut up, sit down.
Believe the woman, you have no opinion, your masculinity is toxic.
And it's so encouraging to meet a young man.
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You're still a very young man, but it's really encouraging to know that you started thisfight at 27 to be a part of your child's life.
That says so much in the culture in which we're living in today that has so manyderogatory opinions about our young people and specifically about our young men.
And it really does my heart well to see you fighting for what is right because we reallydo need men to stand up.
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And if enough people stand up and speak out against this, this will end.
Thank you kindly.
We do need more men.
personally see much more moms and women speaking up on these issues and more men need tobe bold and have some conviction and be the protectors that they were made to be so we can
have a thriving society and protect children.
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Yeah, well, I love it.
Well, everyone that is Harrison Tinsley.
I am so very grateful Harrison that you would stop by and share your story.
This is what we must do.
It's like iron sharpening iron, everyone.
We must tell our stories.
It truly empowers each and every one of us.
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It gives us whatever that that we need to know that we're not alone and that there arepeople who are out here fighting.
So Harrison, thank you so very much for coming.
Please tell Sawyer we said, hey, I would love to meet him one day.
I'm so very.
So happy for you and your family and I look forward to hearing the rest of your story in acouple of years from now.
(52:06):
It sounds wonderful.
Thank you so much, Kathy.
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