July 15, 2025 • 52 mins
Hosted by Dr. Sarah Hensley, Specialized Social Psychologist, Attachment Theory Expert, and Founder & CEO of The Love Doc Relationship Coaching Services with Co-host Raina Butcher, Owner/CEO of Joyful Consulting, LLC.
Welcome to "The Love Doc Podcast" Season II, where Host Dr. Sarah Hensley and her co-host Raina Butcher dive deep into the intricacies of love, attraction, attachment, relationships, and self-awareness. Dr. Hensley brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to help listeners navigate the complexities of modern romance. In each episode, Dr. Hensley tackles burning questions about love, relationships, and the mind’s complexities, drawing from her psychological research, real-life experiences, and her own individual expertise, to provide insightful perspectives and practical advice.
In this heartfelt and inspiring episode of The Love Doc Podcast, Dr. Sarah Hensley introduces listeners to one of the core members of her coaching team—Coach Elizabeth, a certified relationship coach under The Love Doc Relationship Coaching Services. With a deeply rooted background in both education and psychology, Coach Elizabeth brings a unique and powerful blend of empathy, wisdom, and joyful presence to every coaching interaction. Having taught students at every grade level from kindergarten through 12th grade, her transition into relationship coaching felt like a natural extension of her lifelong passion for helping others grow, heal, and thrive.
Dr. Hensley and Coach Elizabeth dive into a rich conversation about how coaching beautifully bridges the worlds of therapy and education. With their shared experience in academic settings, both women reflect on how effective coaching often mirrors the best aspects of teaching—offering guidance, structure, curiosity, and support, all while encouraging personal discovery and transformation. Elizabeth’s warm, non-judgmental approach is deeply inspired by the groundbreaking work of Dr. Allan Schore, whose research on joy-based attachment and right-brain emotional regulation highlights the healing potential of emotionally attuned relationships. Elizabeth coaches from a place of deep compassion and trust, creating a secure space where clients feel safe to explore, evolve, and reconnect with themselves and their partners.
Throughout the episode, Dr. Hensley poses thoughtful questions about what Coach Elizabeth sees most often in her coaching practice—especially regarding attachment styles and their impact on modern relationships. Coach Elizabeth offers her insight into the most common patterns she sees in her clients and shares her favorite attachment style to coach (you might be surprised!). She also reflects on one of her most memorable client success stories, offering an inspiring glimpse into how powerful the journey of healing and connection can be with the right support. The conversation naturally flows into topics around life-coaching balance, and how both women strive to model sustainable emotional care—both for their clients and themselves.
To close, listeners are given a deeper look into Coach Elizabeth’s extensive training and passionate philosophy. Elizabeth Pomeroy holds a Master’s degree in Counseling from Asbury University and is certified directly by Dr. Hensley in attachment-based relationship coaching. She is formally trained in trauma-informed care, attachment theory, and the science of human interaction. With a calming presence and deep emotional insight, Elizabeth specializes in healing attachment wounds, nurturing healthy communication patterns, and integrating faith-based healing strategies where desired. She believes wholeheartedly that humans are wired for connection—but sometimes need guidance navigating the complexities of love. Her coaching is grounded, joyful, and deeply transformative, helping clients bridge the gap between where they are in their relationships and where they long to be.
Tune in to "The Love Doc Podcast" every Tuesday morning for candid conversations, expert guidance, and a deeper understanding of life, love and relationships in the modern world. To see all of Dr. Hensley’s services please visit the links below and follow her on social media.
PROMO CODE FOR OUR LISTNERS: Use LOVEDOC27 to receive 27% off any of Dr. Hensley's courses or her Hybrid Group Coaching Program.
Patreons link: patreon.com/TheLoveDocPodcast
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Welcome to "The Love Doc Podcast" Season II, where Host Dr. Sarah Hensley and her co-host Raina Butcher dive deep into the intricacies of love, attraction, attachment, relationships, and self-awareness. Dr. Hensley brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to help listeners navigate the complexities of modern romance. In each episode, Dr. Hensley tackles burning questions about love, relationships, and the mind’s complexities, drawing from her psychological research, real-life experiences, and her own individual expertise, to provide insightful perspectives and practical advice.
In this heartfelt and inspiring episode of The Love Doc Podcast, Dr. Sarah Hensley introduces listeners to one of the core members of her coaching team—Coach Elizabeth, a certified relationship coach under The Love Doc Relationship Coaching Services. With a deeply rooted background in both education and psychology, Coach Elizabeth brings a unique and powerful blend of empathy, wisdom, and joyful presence to every coaching interaction. Having taught students at every grade level from kindergarten through 12th grade, her transition into relationship coaching felt like a natural extension of her lifelong passion for helping others grow, heal, and thrive.
Dr. Hensley and Coach Elizabeth dive into a rich conversation about how coaching beautifully bridges the worlds of therapy and education. With their shared experience in academic settings, both women reflect on how effective coaching often mirrors the best aspects of teaching—offering guidance, structure, curiosity, and support, all while encouraging personal discovery and transformation. Elizabeth’s warm, non-judgmental approach is deeply inspired by the groundbreaking work of Dr. Allan Schore, whose research on joy-based attachment and right-brain emotional regulation highlights the healing potential of emotionally attuned relationships. Elizabeth coaches from a place of deep compassion and trust, creating a secure space where clients feel safe to explore, evolve, and reconnect with themselves and their partners.
Throughout the episode, Dr. Hensley poses thoughtful questions about what Coach Elizabeth sees most often in her coaching practice—especially regarding attachment styles and their impact on modern relationships. Coach Elizabeth offers her insight into the most common patterns she sees in her clients and shares her favorite attachment style to coach (you might be surprised!). She also reflects on one of her most memorable client success stories, offering an inspiring glimpse into how powerful the journey of healing and connection can be with the right support. The conversation naturally flows into topics around life-coaching balance, and how both women strive to model sustainable emotional care—both for their clients and themselves.
To close, listeners are given a deeper look into Coach Elizabeth’s extensive training and passionate philosophy. Elizabeth Pomeroy holds a Master’s degree in Counseling from Asbury University and is certified directly by Dr. Hensley in attachment-based relationship coaching. She is formally trained in trauma-informed care, attachment theory, and the science of human interaction. With a calming presence and deep emotional insight, Elizabeth specializes in healing attachment wounds, nurturing healthy communication patterns, and integrating faith-based healing strategies where desired. She believes wholeheartedly that humans are wired for connection—but sometimes need guidance navigating the complexities of love. Her coaching is grounded, joyful, and deeply transformative, helping clients bridge the gap between where they are in their relationships and where they long to be.
Tune in to "The Love Doc Podcast" every Tuesday morning for candid conversations, expert guidance, and a deeper understanding of life, love and relationships in the modern world. To see all of Dr. Hensley’s services please visit the links below and follow her on social media.
PROMO CODE FOR OUR LISTNERS: Use LOVEDOC27 to receive 27% off any of Dr. Hensley's courses or her Hybrid Group Coaching Program.
Patreons link: patreon.com/TheLoveDocPodcast
Dr. Hensley’s Hybrid Group Coaching: https://courses.thelovedoc.com/group-coaching
Book one on one with Dr. Hensley or one of her certified coaches: Virtual Coaching
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Welcome to the Love Dog Podcast. I'm your co host Raina,
but you're here with our host, doctor Sarah Hensley, the founder,
CEO and just the main squeeze of the love Doc
relationship coaching services. And we are so excited today because
we have another team member on.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We do and.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
People have been so curious because I see messages and
they're like, so tell me more about you know, coach Elizabeth,
and you know, like what's her coaching style and you know,
what's she like and does she have social media? And
we're like, well, she's great. She's kind of this mystery.
But this was the perfect answer to just bring you
(00:55):
on and have our listeners meet you and you know,
hear you talk about your coaching style. Here, you talk
about how you got to where you are, and so
just tell us a little bit about yourself first and
foremost your background, your education. You know, let's let's build
your credibility because you're amazing and we love you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I love you, so tell.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Us, well, first, I have to think both of you,
because I just I'm so thrilled to be here. I
absolutely love my career and I feel like I have well. First,
doctor Sarah of course and then Raina coming in. It's
just been such a blessing to be part of this practice.
So I'm thrilled to introduce myselves to your listeners, our clients,
(01:41):
and well, I'm Elizabeth Monroy. I have a background in education.
I've taught everything from kindergarten to twelfth grade in the
policical system. But shortly into my teaching career, I realized
maybe this wasn't for me, and so I went and
got a master's degree in counseling. But as many teachers
(02:02):
will tell you, the classroom inevitably calls you back in.
So I ended up going back into teaching for a
period of time. But in the process of getting my
master's degree, I was able to do some counseling and
more of a ministry based setting, and wasn't really able
to return to it full time until I joined Sara's
(02:24):
practice a couple of years ago, and that was you know,
life had changed very drastically. I had been teaching and
this opportunity came along and here we are amazing, amazing experience.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, and what's so cool about coaching is that it
really does sort of combined teaching and counseling together and
I think that that is probably why we have both
excelled at it, because we.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Both have history of, you know, being in education.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I was in higher education before I was a coach
for a number of years, and you were in the
K through twelve. But it doesn't matter teaching skills or
teaching skills. You have to be able to break complex
things down, or at least whatever's complex at that level
down for your students and really our clientele. We do
a lot of psycho education as well as actual coaching
(03:15):
strategies for change. But I can say personally that you
have been an amazing coach. I am just now adding
another coach because I don't think my strategy is ever
going to be out a ton of coaches because I
am so protective of my coaching strategy and of my
coaching model, and I only wanted to have coaches on
(03:38):
that I deeply, deeply trust to mirror to my clients
back what I would be teaching if I were in
the seat. And you have been that person and you
have gotten all the great feedback and that is why
you are definitely still here and moving up to groups now.
Coach Elizabeth has her own groups now as well as
(03:58):
taking individual clients. So I couldn't be more proud of
where you are and how much of a wonderful addition
you have been to this company.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
I can second that.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
And obviously, you know it was really you Tube were
like the ogs, right, y'all were like the two original
I came on later and uh, you know, I just
I say this to Sarah all the time, and I'll
say it to you, Liz. Coaching is hard, and coaching
takes a very special type of person because I tried it, Gang.
(04:32):
I tried it for a minute and I was like, no,
I can't.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Do this, I'm out.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
But and it's you know, it's very serendipitous because I
feel like, you know, we're all really where we're supposed
to be, which makes it, you know, we're so in
sync with each other the whole, the relationship between all
of us works really well. And I think that a
lot of it has to do with we're we're all
very dynamically different. And so you know, because of that,
(05:02):
even though you were certified and trained under Sarah, you know,
just tell us a little bit about your coaching style.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Sure, well, I would say it's really marked with deep compassion, grace, empathy,
which I know, like that's probably the goal for a
lot of practitioners, and really non judgmentalism. I mean, clients
come to some really hard things and that's in the
feedback I get is like, Wow, thank you, Like Chris
(05:33):
was so much easier to share my story with you,
and so I really value being able to offer that
to our clients. But I also come from a bit
of a joy based model of attachment from the work
of doctor Alan Shore. He's the guy who kind of
first got me interested in attachment, and oh my goodness,
pairing that with what doctor Hensley teaches in the model
(05:56):
of the strategies that we provide to our clients through
her work has spend huge.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
So can you go a little deeper there when you
because I'm curious, I'm very curious what you mean when
because I'm not familiar with his work, what you mean
from the joy aspect of it, which makes sense because
that's all coming full circle in terms of what you
name your practice. So tell me a little bit about
or tell our listeners a little bit about what's behind that.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I would love to So doctor Shorre's model of joy
based attachment really emphasizes that secure attachment isn't just about
building safety. It's not just about the absence of threat.
It's about mutual positive, emotional, positive emotional experiences, really mutual joy.
(06:42):
That is the marker. It's sort of the animating factor.
Attachment can become secure and still be relatively emotionally flat,
okay to some degree. And so you know, one of
the phrases I got from reading some of his stuff
is joy is to relationship what fuel.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Is to a A And all of my clients hear that.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, it really becomes part of the foundational aspects of
everything else that they're learning and applying mooving forward.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Well, and it's interesting that you say that because I've
said this in the past. You know, I lost my
mom suddenly eight years ago, and and we've talked about
this too on other episodes, but you know, she had
this deep sense of like she just never really knew
how to experience joy at her core. And you know,
(07:35):
I won't get into all the reasons why I think why,
but you know, so after she passed, I I sort
of had this epiphany and I was like, the secret
to longevity is joy.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
It's the secret to living a long.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Life because because when you're sad.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Or again to relate it to what we talk about often,
or just in constant emotional distress or living in victimhood,
it really does something to the brain.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, it robs your ability to access joy.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
So you know, as Elizabeth can tell you here, we
can only experience joy when we feel safety in our
own body. And so when we feel like we are
under threat, and of course how do we stay under threat?
While our own thoughts can keep us under threat, own
processed emotions can keep us under threat, as can unsafe connections,
we are unable to tap into joy. Joy is a
(08:38):
present experience. It is an experience of being in the
present moment. And Elizabeth makes a great point here because oftentimes,
especially in the therapy world, I would say not as
much in the coaching world, but in the therapy world,
we have this idea that as long as we can
bring people back up to like a baseline of functioning,
that they've done their job.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
The therapist has done the job.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
And it's like, okay, well you're not depressed anymore, but
are you really happy? Are you experiencing joy? Do you
feel safe enough in your body to have joy. And
so I think you make a great point, Elizabeth, talk
a little bit more about that and how you try
to foster that with your clients.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
And that's the catch twenty two.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
And I tell the clients that, like, hey, we can
talk about joy all day long, but it's sort of
a front brain thing. It is a strength thing, it is,
and your work, Sarah around you know, cognitive reframing, taking
authority of your thought world is really what helps us
shift from that subconscious driving the bus to more of
that front brain way of functioning. And so that's sort
(09:39):
of the little carrot we kind of put out. There's like, hey,
not only you know is this work going to help
you change up patterns that are really difficult in your
relationship and help you learn how to process emotions in
a safe, healthy way, But you're going to access new
levels of joy in your life that is going to
shoot you forward in this.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Props absolutely, and I have so many I know you
can probably relate to this and the clients that you
take onto, you know, dismissive avoidance that live in such
a frozen state and if you really talk to them
about their emotional experiences, yeah, they don't have a lot
of low lows, but they're not having any joy either.
They're not having any high highs either, because they're stuck
in that frozen state, which is that flat affect, that
(10:21):
numbness of suppression.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And a lot of times, one of the.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Best pieces of feedback I can get from a DA
who has gone through this work is like, Wow, I'm
experiencing joy. Like I'm noticing when my kids do stuff
that I like feel really happy, or like I just
noticed my partner in a new way and they make
me feel really happy when before I just wouldn't even notice,
you know, with what they were doing to provide something
(10:46):
good to their relationship or how great of a mom
they were or dad they were or whatever. And so
they're actually tapping into joy because they finally feel safe
enough to do that. Their emotional you know, processing ability
has strengthen to the point where their nervous system is
finally feeling the effects and it's joy.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I also think it's important to put and you know,
it seems so elementary when you just think of the
word joy, right, it's this three letter word and it's
your middle name, and it's my middle name. Maybe I
shouldn't have revealed that on the pot, but it is
your middle name.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
That's totally okay.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
But it's like, when you shift that perspective of aligning
healing with joy, it really puts this.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Idea on healing that it.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
It's it's happy, right, it's happy, it's lovely, it's beautiful.
It doesn't have to be this really painful experience. It
should actually be this really joyful, beautiful.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Experience, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And and I think too many times we get stuck,
especially recently because I say a lot that like I
think as a human race, like we're reaching these higher
levels of consciousness, and some of that has to do
with social media, but sometimes you can get so like
you can get information fatigue and like there's we're infiltrated
(12:07):
with so much information. And so when it comes to healing,
I think we are reaching this higher level of consciousness
around it as a whole. But sometimes there's this negative
perspective or this negative connotation like you're broken, you have
to heal, right, And that's not really the truth, right.
(12:27):
The truth is that healing is available to you, and
healing brings you really beautiful new sensations. And I think
we're all three testaments.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Of that for sure.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, yeah, so I know you can't show favorites obviously,
but is there like a particular type of client or
it's a particular type of attachment style that you like
to coach versus another.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Oh man, I have a heart for fas.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Yeah, I think we all do.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
We are so motivated and you know, it's the pain
that inner chaos are experiencing. But it also makes them
amazing clients to work with because they are ready to
hit the ground running. That being said, I have yet
to come across the client that i've you know, seriously
been like no, this isn't gonna work. I can't, you know,
(13:18):
because of their attachment style, like right, you know, but
I will say I find the most joy myself in
helping an FA move forward.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, they have high levels of awareness usually.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, if they are FA tipped more to the anxious side,
they usually are pretty able to name their emotional experience.
As people report in that category that they are more
aware of their patterns when they come.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
You know, I would say that.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
AP and DA's are less aware of themselves in general.
Now that's just an in general statement.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, yes, So you know, in terms speaking on patterns,
and I'm sure it's the same for you as it
is for Doc, But you know, what are the most like,
what's the primary pattern that you see come into your
practice in terms of relationship dynamic Because I'm curious, I'm
(14:13):
curious if y'all are seeing different things.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I will say the most common pairing I get is
the FA with the FA of course, one leaning anxious,
one leaning avoidant, and all dynamic is just in full force.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I call it the best friends slash mortal enemies dynamic.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah, and I mean that's I can say with certainty
that that was probably my ex and me that we
were both fas, me leaning more anxious, of course, but
it's it can it can get pretty.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Nasty, yeah, it can. It can get very toxic. But
they they create such a deep friendship and like such
a deep bond because they have that core in our
need to be understood, and so I think they're really
attentive to each other's needs, at least at first until
that anxious avoidant trap just gets into full and then
it kind of cycles.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Are you know this because you've talked about it before,
But like when two fas are healed.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
It's like beautiful, It's very beautiful. Yeah, because that's you
and Donald.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
It is me and Donald.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yeah, because we do have some degree of hypervigilance toward
each other, but in a very good way, in a
way that makes us attentive to each other's needs and
able to sort of anticipate each other's needs, which is
a very fa thing to want.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Right, But we've been able to master our triggers to
the for the most part. I mean there's some catching correct,
but for the most part we get it right, and
we're able to handle conflict in a really respectful and
efficient way.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
And that is the absolute key. But we had to
be able to.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Train our nervous systems around intimacy to do that, which
is interesting.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You say two fas.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
I usually see the FA in the DA, but I
make a lot of videos on that, so that might
be why.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah, I would say that's probably my second most frequently
I will What may happen the most though, is the
person who believed their DA and then we do the
assessment and we just cover the yes.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I have that a lot too, because the FADA and
the true DA. I'd say, there's like this, I don't
know if you experiences too, But there's like this small
percentage of people that are FA DA, but they they
just don't have the they're not really fully DA, but
they're not really fully FA either.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
They're like almost in their own category.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
They lack the emotional intelligence of the FA, but they
have the reactivity. There's a lot of evidence of the
betrayal wounds there. But they may have like DA things
like they have the blinders on and they just have like.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Really a stream of consciousness.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Like no, they don't have as much of a stream
of consciousness or awareness of their own stream of consciousness.
So they're like this real blending between the FA and
the DA. But they're not necessarily like your typical FA.
So almost it's like this weird category. I always call
them like the ten percent that doesn't fit perfectly into
(17:05):
one of the four boxes. It's usually in that category
because they usually have like they're usually like DA but
with like the anger problem of the FA.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Right, yeah, And of course, I mean a reminder for everybody,
and this is something that you guys know better than me,
But attachment is on a spectrum. It's so you know,
like you always describe it because most people are visual learners.
Like if you think of a line right and secure
attachments in the middle, the DA is over here, the
(17:33):
the AP is over here, the anxious preoccupied. You know,
there's this line that people can kind of oscillate down
the line right right, And in terms of analogies, you
probably could have said that way for.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
You're so good at analogies.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Is it like she is on top, Like she can
always like just pinpoint this analogy and it makes like
the light bulb go off even that much more. I mean,
still with me even knowing you as long as I've
known you, like you'll say things and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yes, clean, yes, and the teacher, yeah, the teacher it.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Is it is.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
And that's what I've always said, like when I'm talking
to people on the phone about you all, that's one
point that I always like to make. It's like, you know,
both doctor Hinsley and Coach Elizabeth have education backgrounds, and.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Guys, teaching is a gift. It's a gift.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I like, I don't have it right and it's okay,
but it's a gift. And so when you are able
to combine your backgrounds in terms of attachment and counseling,
and then you have that and real life experience because
we know you've had some real life experience as well,
and then you add that teacher component on top of it.
(18:48):
It just makes you this triple threat in terms of
teaching our clients what they really need to know and
really getting them to the next level in terms of
their healing journey. So that was actually going to be
My next question is, in your opinion, what's the most
powerful shift that someone can make on their healing journey.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
Let me think about that. That's a good question, and
that's a hard question.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
It is a hard one.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
That's a tough one because there's there's a plethora right
of things that people can do.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, I would say that shift from self protection to
self connection right.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
That that was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I mean it's really it's when you go from asking
like how do I stop feeling this?
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Or how do I get them to change? To what
is this feeling?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Trying to teach me about my wounds, my patterns, you know,
my my feelings, so are my needs rather And when
I see clients make that shift, when they realize they
can deeply source that safety within themselves.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
It's just everything changes. Everything changes.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It does.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
And I always say, if you are in a place
where you are asking how do I get my partner
to blank? That is a key key sign that you're
not in the secure place. It has to be what
is going on with me that I am tolerating this,
or what is going on with me that I'm having
this reaction to this in this way? Right? We have
(20:26):
to point the finger back atself because that is the
only element you can control in the situation.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
It's right, right, Yes, So do you have a favorite
success story? Like obviously without mentioning names, right, because I
mean you've been doing this, how long have you been
on with with Sarah and now I.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
Mean two solid years?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, it's gone on three.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Yeah I thought that.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I thought it was going on three. So I know you've,
you know, at this point coached you know, if hundreds
of clients and you know, I know that you've you've
probably seen some people really grow. So tell us one
of those stories.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Oh my goodness, I knew when when you asked that
I had, I had my person in my head and meeting.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
So this client, the cool thing about this client is
that he started with me literally my first day in
this practice.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
And it's amazing, it really is.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
And so most clients and I'm first session, I tell them, hey,
we are solution focused practice. My goal is to get
you what you need in as few sessions as possible
and send you on your way. Right, this is a therapy,
it's coaching, so it's not really designed to like go
on forever and ever.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
But this client we're on like session forty or something.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
But when he came to us, he was in the.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Throes of breakup with the DA and he is anxious,
preoccupied textbook, and he was really engaging in some pretty
destructive self soothing behaviors.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Just really in the pit.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
And to see where he was to where he is now,
where you know, he spent some time single, he spent
some time healing, learning the tools and strategies and applying
those things. He now is on.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
The verge of getting engaged. So it's been over two years,
so be on the verge.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Of getting engaged to a wonderful woman who came into
his life. And so just seeing that transformation and being
directly a part of that has just it's been huge
for me.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
To get that's such a gift and I will say
like that was One beautiful thing about coaching is seeing
the transformation, seeing the perspective shift, seeing the light bulbs
go off, and seeing people really get it.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Yeah, and you know, I mean, I think.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
That's that's what it's all about, right, that's that's the
premise of really changing people's life so that you change
the world.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
And you, ladies, are world changers.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I'm just gonna say it, y'all are y'all are out
here changing the world, making people better. And I mean
just the fact that this guy's been with you that long, Liz,
is a true testament of how great you are at
your job. And and you know, and I have heard
tons of feedback because again it's a question I get constantly,
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what's the difference between doctor Hensley and coach Elizabeth? And
I'm like, look, there's no wrong answer here. You know,
there's no wrong answer. And if anything, you know, Liz
has a good return rate. Yeah, people come back.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Right, absolutely, That's why that's why you're still here.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
You're highly trusted, highly trusted, and honestly, you just have
this beautiful presence about you. In the few times that
I've been around you. That's that you do you do
exude joy and you exude sort of like this real
calming effect, A lot of warmth, Yes, a lot of warmth,
And I think that goes a long way when you're touching.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
It does, and I think that that I I mean,
I consider myself a kind and warm person.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
But I can be more direct.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
I can.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
It's how I would describe you and how I typically
do describe you.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Yeah, I'm I'm I prefer telling people the truth over
preserving their long term feelings, but I try to do
it as gently and respectfully as possible.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
You do, And the way that I would describe it
is it's sort of just the it's it's the shift.
And you have a doctor brain, so like your brain
is a little bit more logical and a little bit
more prescriptive, which makes you appear a little bit more direct.
I mean, think about just a regular physician, right most
of the time, most of the time they are very direct.
(24:47):
Like if you if you just you know, if you
were trying to differentiate between your physician and like a
nurse practitioner, right, like, that's how it would kind of
describe you to Like Liz, you're a nurse practitioner, doc
you're a doc, you know, and so hopefully.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
I get I just gave a good analogy. Look at
look at you.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I did it.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
But yeah, so I you know.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
But I again, for our listeners out there who are
thinking about, no, which direction do I go? Listen, I
know that both of these these women personally, you can't
go wrong. You can't go wrong, you know, And you've
been trained directly under Sarah. You follow her curriculum, and
so in terms of the tools and strategies, like in
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the groups specifically, you're gonna get it all.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
You're gonna get Yeah, you're gonna get it all. And
even the groups that you are leading, they're still taking
my online course, so they're getting a little dose of
me too. But I think some people just want to
see me because on the face, because they're who they
connect with me in this one way connection on social media,
and they're not as connected to Liz.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
But which I think we're having you on.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
We want them to be connected to you because you
have been such an asset, such an asset. And even
clients where you know, I've done one or two sessions
and they're like, okay, you know, I know now that
I have a lot of work to do, but I
can't really keep up with your price point. I feel
perfectly fine sending them to you because I know that
they're going to be in great hands.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Yep, that's right.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
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right after I would coach. And that's why I say, like,
coaching is really hard and you have to, you know,
find this level of compartmentalization, you know, because you're you
are dealing with people who are in high emotional distress
and it takes a toll. And so how do you
balance that and how do you not get things like
empathy or expectation fatigue?
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Great question.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Well, I'm a mom, so yes that that balance is
really important because when I'm not here on screen with clients,
I'm with my daughter and so you know, I even
if I'm feeling that, it's like I do have to
do a bit of that compartmentalizing.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
But I tell my clients all the time, I practice
what I preach.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, So if I'm feeling that at the end of
a session, I'll take a few minutes and do some
regulating work. I'll do some neural feedback, I'll do some breathing.
And that makes all the difference. And you know, we
happen to live close to the water. I'll go dip
my toes in the in the sand ground myself being outside.
But to be honest with you, one of my favorite
strategies for achieving balance is taking a nap now and then.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Thank you, I thank yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Nice sign that you have a good nervous system, Like
if you can take a nap and it's like a
productive nap, not like an all day nap.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Or right, right, just like a little like a little yes.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Oh man, jealous too.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I'm jealous because I have yet to master that, and
and I would really really love to, But I think
you're right.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
If I try, it'll be bang crash, boom mom.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Mom.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
If I tried, I'd just be like, hmm, what can
I scroll on social media? You know, but sometimes I will,
like if I'm really, you know, tired, I will make
a point to take the load off and take at
least take a little nap. But I think you're right,
and I've never really thought of it that way. That
is a sign of a healthy nervous system, which we're
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told our whole lives after like preschool, that naps sort
of aren't allowed, right, like societal norms have put on us. No,
you have to come to work from eight to five
every single day, and if you fall asleep at your desk,
your fire day.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
But it's like wait, in Europe, they take the is
all the time.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Yeah, I know, we don't operate that way in the US, right,
And we you and I keep odd hours because we
do evening groups, we have clients maybe in the evening.
We try to accommodate people, try to have times open
outside of a normal work schedule because you know, I
don't want to shut out people that really need help,
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but they have to be glued to a desk and
being productive from eight to five. You know, I want
to have a six pm available or something available to
them so we can we can work odd hours which
is also tough sometimes.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, And I think one of the most beautiful things
about adding you into the group segment of our services
is that you've been able to really open up some
more unique times that Doc doesn't necessarily have in terms
of her schedule.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I just don't have it because of my kids.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
So well in your content, I mean you're yeah, trying
to Yeah, there's a lot of other aspects that go
into to what you're doing, Sarah that that's.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Kind of behind the and I mean the behind the
scenes stuff is also huge.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Like even listen.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Answering emails is a huge feat for her, and because
I just because I have access to her email, Like
the infiltration of emails that come through on the hour
is pure insanity.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Don't even go to the social media message.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I mean, well we know, you know, I mean listen,
I know, because we help facilitate that. And it's we
have to, right, we have to because you're one person
and you have a very busy life. And the again
talking about just serendipity and feeling like how in sync
this is or godly it all is that we all
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came together, is that thankfully we know enough about the
foundation of attachment, and all of our backgrounds come from
you know, psychology or counseling or ministry work for you, Liz,
and teaching. It's made this perfect sort of marriage between
us that it works really well. It works so well,
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and we're excited because we're about to bring on another coach.
And you know, I think one thing that Sarah and
I both said when we interviewed our new coach is that, Wow,
she reminds us a lot of Liz.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, that's what we said.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
We were like, she's so positive and thoughtful and warm
and kind and her disposition and you know, but also truthful, yes,
you know, and we need that, you know. Going back
to just my directness, I mean, you're also not going
to deprive clients of the truth. And sometimes it is
a hard truth that they have to face. And so
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tell us a little bit about that. How do you
handle that when you have a client that's maybe making
really poor decisions or is continuing, you know.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Some self destructive behavior. How are you able.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
To connect with that client and get them to attempt
to see that these patterns are not fruitful for them.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I think something I learned and like counseling one on
one in grad school was unconditional positive regard, assuming the
best about your client, kind of setting that expectation that
you will just assume will become a.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Self fulfilling prophecy for that client.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
And so, you know, while while we're talking about the
hard things, I'm also speaking about where we're going and
and and.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
The way forward and growing.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Usually, if they've come to us, there's some level of
self awareness that has developed.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Not always, not always clients who have been dragged there.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, yeah, but the ones that are sort of starting
that self awareness and realizing like the pain of these
patterns is just becoming intolerable and starting to recognize the
ways that they're hurting themselves. And really it's just continually
putting truth in front of them, right, and also speaking
life into their story, right.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
And sometimes it's reminding them that although the change is painful,
you can choose the indefinite pain of the current patterns,
or you can choose the temporary pain that the change
or moving through the pain of detachment, or whatever the
temporary pain is, it's worth it to get to the
other side, right, So I can understand that.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I would say too, that approach really gives them this
idea that hey, someone sees the good in me, and
I don't want to let them down, right, like I
don't want to let Liz down, or I don't want
to let doctor Hensley down, like I want to show
up in a different way. And that's a big motivator.
I mean, that's a huge motivator. I know it would
for me and my people pleasing skills. I would be
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on that all day.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
And I think the interventions that we give we try
to be prescriptive. Go home, do this for this many minutes, right,
do this thing and keep practicing it instead of just
leaving session where people have just vented and they don't
have any real tools. I mean, of course, we can't
always give prescriptive tools after just one session. Sometimes all
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we can do is get through the attachment interview because
somebody has so much to say about their past or
you know, and so we try to give maybe even
just one initial strategy, and that could be Okay, we
need more coaching here, right, because we filled up the session.
But I think we try to give people really clear
tools to use so they don't just feel like they're
just talking and venting and that's all they're getting. Out
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of it, which a lot of people come from a
therapeutic setting and say I had a great therapist and
she was really kind and she she made me aware
of some things and I got to vent a lot,
but I don't actually know what to do to get better. Yeah,
and not knocking therapists. There are some good ones out there,
but this from also not good ones out there.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, And I think that is one thing that probably
sets the practice as a whole, apart from a therapy setting,
is that it really is the next level of healing
past processing, which we've you've said multiple times, and you
say in a lot of your content that I mean,
like I feel like if you had like one saying
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that I mention over and over and over again. There's
a few of them like because you know, we've we've
been told our whole life like knowledge is power. Knowledge
is power, not if you don't do anything with it.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
So I mean the one thing that you say a
lot is you know, knowledge is not enough. Knowledge is
not equal healing, right, Like, it's the integration of the tools,
it's the capacity building around the tools. It's the daily
practice of the tools. And I don't again, not like
you said not knocking therapy at all. I think therapy
serves its purpose, but coaching is is different in the
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sense of, like you just said, Liz, this isn't necessarily
like hey, it's not a long game where you have
to keep coming back and keep coming back and keep
coming back. We want you to walk away from this.
And this is why the group is so so beneficial.
It's literally the fast track to healing. It's because in
four weeks you can have these tools and strategies if
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you continue to practice them.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
It's all about continuing to practice them, if you continue
to practice them, where you can really cultivate real change
in your life.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
And I think that listen, that's what people are searching for.
That's what people are wanting. That's especially within their romantic relationships.
I mean, we all know the divorce, right, we all
know that it's high and and what it's doing to
you know, the next generation. And so I mean that's
why I say, y'all are y'all are world changers because
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you're changing people's relationships, you're saving marriages. And when you
can save the marriage and the family unit, you save
the world.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Yeah, you save the world.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
We have to be able to try to protect the
family if we can, but sometimes there are marriages that
should end. Ye tell us a little bit about that, Liz,
Like how do you approach clients when you know and
I know you see it because I see it, there's
one partner that is not interested in doing this work.
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They're too they have too much resentment, they have too
much pain, or maybe they're just too avoidant and it's
too uncomfortable for them, and they've been dragged there and
they're there and they're not participating, like they're not using
the tools, Like when do you and when do you
call it? And how do you approach that conversation of
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like and this this is it's time to call this.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
That's that's a painful conversation to have it when talked
about work life balance. That's probably when I need the
most recovery. Is asked me to have that conversation with
the client too, especially when we have that client who
has done all the things for so long everything just
having to accept.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
So it looks a.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Little bit like, you know, first we really examine, like, Okay,
have you been able to apply these tools and strategies
to yourself and set some real boundaries in this relationship
to try to change some of those dynamics, because we
know that's key to sort of initiating change. You know,
sometimes that that's most of the time, I would say
that's extremely effective. And if it's still just something that's
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really toxic, or especially if it crosses the line into abuse,
which is my all pet peeves is when people kind
of attribute abusive behaviors to attachment.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Iman like no, no, no, that yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Does not explain or excuse any kind of abuse, but
as it's the conversation around encouraging them, you know, here's
what you've done, here's what you've tried, here's how far
you've come. Now we may need to have the hard
conversation around letting go, and I'll just output.
Speaker 6 (39:54):
It like that letting go.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
And walk them through with that looks like and very painful,
but yeah, sometimes very necessary. But I usually will honestly
do all that I can to honor the client's wishes
if they're wanting to relationship. And then but if it
becomes inevitable, yeah, sometimes I have one to kind of
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break the news.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Yeah, I hate that conversation as well, And it's usually
almost always the same situation of just one partner that
a lot of times it's either a very severe DA
who like just can't scratch the surface with even self
reflection because there's too much internalized shame and they're too suppressed.
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Or sometimes it's somebody who is it's you know, even
though we can't give these diagnoses, we know there's narcissism there, right,
Like we know there's like this person has high narcissistic traits,
if not NPD, and we're just like.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
They're not getting it.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
You know, I'll never forget having one client where this
was the case and we talked about you know, we
take them through the conflict resolution plan, and instead of
saying like I feel like this was my experience and
I feel unheard, they would make an accusation, like they
couldn't understand the difference between saying in my experience, this
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is how it felt, versus I feel like you're a
terrible partner, right.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Or like I feel like you, you know, don't listen.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Like that's different than saying I feel a little bit
unheard here. Right, It's like you're making an accusation. And
then you can see like the narc spiral, right when
they lose control of the conversation or when they it's
pointed out to them that they are the ones that
are not following the rules.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
You can see it in their eyes.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
You can see like that narcissistic defensiveness come out, and
you're just like, oh, man, I was really hoping this
wasn't what that is.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
But it's what that is. And we can't give those diagnoses.
We don't.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
We're not we're not operating as clinical psychologists. We're not
operating from a clinical therapeutic setting or a diagnostic setting.
We're operating from a coaching perspective. And attachment is not
a psychological disorder. It is simply a pattern of behavior
that comes from subconscious beliefs. So we have a lot
more wiggle room. But I don't know. For me, it's
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usually one of those two situations. I don't know what
about you. Do you encounter those two situations?
Speaker 3 (42:28):
I absolutely relate. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And the tricky thing,
like you said, we can't diagnose, but how well word
that is. I'm picking up on some factors that might
be beyond or outside of attachment.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
Yes, that are a lot more static, a lot more.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Difficult to change. And this is not going to be
the setting wherever that's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
I always refer them to a clinical psychologist for an evaluation,
you know, and most of the time their partner's like,
I don't need that, and it's like, oh oh yes.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
And again I just want, you know, to point out
how beautiful that is about this practice.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
Is that like, we're not here to keep you around
to just take your money, right, Like, we're y'all.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
You know, y'all are here, I say we you know,
I'm more of a back back person operations marketing, but
I mean, y'all are here to take these people on
a journey to kind of like parenting, like of letting
them go yep, letting them go into the world to
apply what they what you've taught them, to apply what
they've learned, and hopes that they'll you know, it's a
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lifelong thing that they practice. And so I wanted to
ask you one more question because I think it's important.
So we know that you're a strong Christian woman, and
of course you know, doctor Hinsley is too, as am I,
and we talk openly about our Christianity on the pod,
but we also you know, we respect and honor those
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people who you know, maybe those aren't their belief systems.
So the way that you practice in terms of, you know,
the Christian aspect of what the Love doc offers and
then the secular aspect.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Can you just talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Sure, I am definitely a Christian and in fact, my
graduate work was from a seminary.
Speaker 6 (44:22):
Right, definitely have that background, which is.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
I think something that makes you unique.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
It makes you very unique.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Yeah, and it's a lot of where I think your
compassion comes from for sure.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yes, absolutely, And most of my clients are not believers, right,
and so it's really one of these things where I
don't put it out there. I don't necessarily go there
unless the client mentions that for themselves or you know,
expresses that they're Christians. And then I'm more than happy
to offer some of our faith based to goals and
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strategies and you know, share a little bit about especially
when it comes to managing our thought world. When it
comes even that joy based model of attachment, I'm like,
isn't this exciting that science is telling us something we
already knew?
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Right?
Speaker 6 (45:09):
And gratitude and how all of that plays into it.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
These things that kind of you know, sound a little
fluffy and cheesy, have some hard signs behind them and
are also affirmed in what we know in the Bible,
and so you know, I have that kind of always
running in the background. And also just my view of
humanity and and just the inherent worth of every single
person who's made in the image of God, and.
Speaker 6 (45:32):
That absolutely informs my practice.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
But but of course I work with clients from absolutely
every imaginable background and lifestyle, so you know that that
comes up.
Speaker 6 (45:42):
When appropriate, and if not, you know, I leave it
in the background.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Right. You meet people where they are, which again is
a beautiful thing.
Speaker 5 (45:48):
A beautiful thing. So do you have any more questions?
Speaker 2 (45:53):
I mean, I feel like I know, le, But let's
just tell the world.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
Why you do this work, and you know what keeps
you motivated doing this work and why people should book
with you.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Tell the world.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
I love my clients and I am a sojourner on
this path with them. Yes, I'm the expert in the room,
and I try to, you know, approach it with that bearing,
but also with the empathy and the compassion to walk
alongside and be able to get them where they are,
from where they are to where they want to go,
and those light bulb moments and those moments where there's
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evidence of healing and evidence.
Speaker 6 (46:35):
Of progress make it absolutely worth it.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah, more times than not, you know, we I the
vast majority of the time we're able to really be
witnessed to those changes in our clients.
Speaker 6 (46:46):
And yes, it's absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yes it truly is.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
And you know, for people that don't believe us, like
we don't want you as a perpetual customer, because then
we feel like we failed. We feel like we've failed
at our jobs. We want to feel good about ourselves.
We want to say, yes, they went through this program,
and look at how well they're doing. Look at how
happy they are, Look at how much their relationship is improved.
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Look oh they're they're with a new secure partner now
and it's going so much better. And wow, they've made
these changes and these shifts. And you know, I love
hearing a client come back and check in with me
and tell me how great they're doing. Like that is
what keeps us going. I don't want to have to
listen to someone's trauma over and over and over again
and see them stay stuck. That's exhausting for me too, right,
(47:33):
it's the growth and the outcome that keeps us going.
And so no, we don't want you as a perpetual client.
We will take you as long as you want to
check in and need and need support or want support.
And I have some long term clients that have been
with me for a really long time and they just
you know, they just check in every now and then,
and they just want, you know, for their own well being,
(47:54):
to be like, here's my accountability, here's what I'm doing,
you know, or how do I tweak this, I'm in
a new relationship or whatever it is. But when we
can send somebody off and we're like, wow, they're gonna
make it like they've just changed their lives. There's no
greater feeling than that than knowing that you've been a
positive force for good in the world. And so we
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are not here to take your money. Right if we
wanted to take your money, we could, and we're not
going to do that over and over again. You're gonna hopefully,
you know, if you do individual work, you know, maybe
five six sessions. If you're doing the group, you've got
four sessions. And then we want you to be that
little birdie that takes off with your own wings.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
And we are we're about I don't ever like to
give a timeline because timelines never work out the way
that I plan them in terms of operations, but we
are going to launch some bundle packages for both of
your one on ones very soon. It'll be a three
or five package deal, which I felt like was made
(48:56):
the most sense right because a lot of times I know,
in terms of relationship, like one partner may want to
come in like each one may want to do one
individually and then they come in together, or they may
want to do the two individually and then come in together,
or vice versa. So just be on the lookout for
the bundle one on ones. Those are coming down the pipeline,
(49:17):
and of course Lizz's group dates are posted on the
website as our Doctor Hensley's and of course for all
of our listeners included with Lizzi's groups as well. You
can put in Love Doc twenty seven at checkout and
receive twenty seven percent off any of the courses or
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any of the hybrid groups including Lizz and Liz has
a ton of dates coming up.
Speaker 4 (49:45):
So excited about that, and the feedback we have gotten
from your groups has been fantastic. You're an excellent facilitator,
excellent on your feet at answering questions and being able
to help clients in real time. And that's where that
teacher training meets counseling training, and you know, we're teacher
and psychology just meet up. Then we have a real
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powerhouse duo. And you definitely have that powerhouse. So we
are so happy that you're still here and that you
love what you do just as much as we love
having you.
Speaker 6 (50:17):
So thank you so anywhere you've stuck with me.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yay, we love you and that makes me really I
love you so much. Yeah, so thank you for being here.
Thank you for giving me hour of your time. We
know you're a busy mom, and we just we just
love you dearly.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yes we do.
Speaker 6 (50:34):
Oh, I love you though so much.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
I'm just so grateful and thank you for letting me
join me today.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
And we may do this, you know, just periodically, just
bring you on, you know, and just because this I
just love how this conversation went was really beautiful and
just you know, because we're always getting new listeners and
it's always nice for people to really get to to
hear you and meet you on a deeper level, because
I think that matters, right, that matters when you think
of like, who am I going to choose to, you know,
(51:02):
take my healing journey with, you know, in terms of facilitation.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Some of the hardest things that people deal with.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
Yeah, you want those things to be placed in good hands.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yes, yes, and both of you. I'm I know that
y'all are going to think I'm biased, but I'm really not.
I'm really not Like I can be objective here, but
I can say with one hundred and ten percent certainty
that if you're on a healing journey, either of these
ladies would be a wonderful choice to help you facilitate
(51:36):
or start or you know you, if you're in a
you know you and your partner are both needing it,
they are both a wonderful.
Speaker 5 (51:44):
Option for that.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
And we like to get to the root cause, and
we'd like to fix it for good, and we want
to see you on your way.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
We want to see you thriving. So absolutely we uh
we hope you will entrust us with your healing journey.
It's a big deal, yep.
Speaker 5 (51:58):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
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Speaker 5 (52:27):
We love you all.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
Yes, we're so grateful for all of you, and of
course until next time, peace, love, and perspective.
Welcome to the Love Dog Podcast. I'm your co host Raina,
but you're here with our host, doctor Sarah Hensley, the founder,
CEO and just the main squeeze of the love Doc
relationship coaching services. And we are so excited today because
we have another team member on.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
We do and.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
People have been so curious because I see messages and
they're like, so tell me more about you know, coach Elizabeth,
and you know, like what's her coaching style and you know,
what's she like and does she have social media? And
we're like, well, she's great. She's kind of this mystery.
But this was the perfect answer to just bring you
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on and have our listeners meet you and you know,
hear you talk about your coaching style. Here, you talk
about how you got to where you are, and so
just tell us a little bit about yourself first and
foremost your background, your education. You know, let's let's build
your credibility because you're amazing and we love you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I love you, so tell.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Us, well, first, I have to think both of you,
because I just I'm so thrilled to be here. I
absolutely love my career and I feel like I have well. First,
doctor Sarah of course and then Raina coming in. It's
just been such a blessing to be part of this practice.
So I'm thrilled to introduce myselves to your listeners, our clients,
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and well, I'm Elizabeth Monroy. I have a background in education.
I've taught everything from kindergarten to twelfth grade in the
policical system. But shortly into my teaching career, I realized
maybe this wasn't for me, and so I went and
got a master's degree in counseling. But as many teachers
(02:02):
will tell you, the classroom inevitably calls you back in.
So I ended up going back into teaching for a
period of time. But in the process of getting my
master's degree, I was able to do some counseling and
more of a ministry based setting, and wasn't really able
to return to it full time until I joined Sara's
(02:24):
practice a couple of years ago, and that was you know,
life had changed very drastically. I had been teaching and
this opportunity came along and here we are amazing, amazing experience.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, and what's so cool about coaching is that it
really does sort of combined teaching and counseling together and
I think that that is probably why we have both
excelled at it, because we.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Both have history of, you know, being in education.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I was in higher education before I was a coach
for a number of years, and you were in the
K through twelve. But it doesn't matter teaching skills or
teaching skills. You have to be able to break complex
things down, or at least whatever's complex at that level
down for your students and really our clientele. We do
a lot of psycho education as well as actual coaching
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strategies for change. But I can say personally that you
have been an amazing coach. I am just now adding
another coach because I don't think my strategy is ever
going to be out a ton of coaches because I
am so protective of my coaching strategy and of my
coaching model, and I only wanted to have coaches on
(03:38):
that I deeply, deeply trust to mirror to my clients
back what I would be teaching if I were in
the seat. And you have been that person and you
have gotten all the great feedback and that is why
you are definitely still here and moving up to groups now.
Coach Elizabeth has her own groups now as well as
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taking individual clients. So I couldn't be more proud of
where you are and how much of a wonderful addition
you have been to this company.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
I can second that.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
And obviously, you know it was really you Tube were
like the ogs, right, y'all were like the two original
I came on later and uh, you know, I just
I say this to Sarah all the time, and I'll
say it to you, Liz. Coaching is hard, and coaching
takes a very special type of person because I tried it, Gang.
(04:32):
I tried it for a minute and I was like, no,
I can't.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Do this, I'm out.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
But and it's you know, it's very serendipitous because I
feel like, you know, we're all really where we're supposed
to be, which makes it, you know, we're so in
sync with each other the whole, the relationship between all
of us works really well. And I think that a
lot of it has to do with we're we're all
very dynamically different. And so you know, because of that,
(05:02):
even though you were certified and trained under Sarah, you know,
just tell us a little bit about your coaching style.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Sure, well, I would say it's really marked with deep compassion, grace, empathy,
which I know, like that's probably the goal for a
lot of practitioners, and really non judgmentalism. I mean, clients
come to some really hard things and that's in the
feedback I get is like, Wow, thank you, Like Chris
(05:33):
was so much easier to share my story with you,
and so I really value being able to offer that
to our clients. But I also come from a bit
of a joy based model of attachment from the work
of doctor Alan Shore. He's the guy who kind of
first got me interested in attachment, and oh my goodness,
pairing that with what doctor Hensley teaches in the model
(05:56):
of the strategies that we provide to our clients through
her work has spend huge.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
So can you go a little deeper there when you
because I'm curious, I'm very curious what you mean when
because I'm not familiar with his work, what you mean
from the joy aspect of it, which makes sense because
that's all coming full circle in terms of what you
name your practice. So tell me a little bit about
or tell our listeners a little bit about what's behind that.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I would love to So doctor Shorre's model of joy
based attachment really emphasizes that secure attachment isn't just about
building safety. It's not just about the absence of threat.
It's about mutual positive, emotional, positive emotional experiences, really mutual joy.
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That is the marker. It's sort of the animating factor.
Attachment can become secure and still be relatively emotionally flat,
okay to some degree. And so you know, one of
the phrases I got from reading some of his stuff
is joy is to relationship what fuel.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Is to a A And all of my clients hear that.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Yeah, it really becomes part of the foundational aspects of
everything else that they're learning and applying mooving forward.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Well, and it's interesting that you say that because I've
said this in the past. You know, I lost my
mom suddenly eight years ago, and and we've talked about
this too on other episodes, but you know, she had
this deep sense of like she just never really knew
how to experience joy at her core. And you know,
(07:35):
I won't get into all the reasons why I think why,
but you know, so after she passed, I I sort
of had this epiphany and I was like, the secret
to longevity is joy.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
For sure.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
It's the secret to living a long.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Life because because when you're sad.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Or again to relate it to what we talk about often,
or just in constant emotional distress or living in victimhood,
it really does something to the brain.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, it robs your ability to access joy.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
So you know, as Elizabeth can tell you here, we
can only experience joy when we feel safety in our
own body. And so when we feel like we are
under threat, and of course how do we stay under threat?
While our own thoughts can keep us under threat, own
processed emotions can keep us under threat, as can unsafe connections,
we are unable to tap into joy. Joy is a
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present experience. It is an experience of being in the
present moment. And Elizabeth makes a great point here because oftentimes,
especially in the therapy world, I would say not as
much in the coaching world, but in the therapy world,
we have this idea that as long as we can
bring people back up to like a baseline of functioning,
that they've done their job.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
The therapist has done the job.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
And it's like, okay, well you're not depressed anymore, but
are you really happy? Are you experiencing joy? Do you
feel safe enough in your body to have joy. And
so I think you make a great point, Elizabeth, talk
a little bit more about that and how you try
to foster that with your clients.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
And that's the catch twenty two.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
And I tell the clients that, like, hey, we can
talk about joy all day long, but it's sort of
a front brain thing. It is a strength thing, it is,
and your work, Sarah around you know, cognitive reframing, taking
authority of your thought world is really what helps us
shift from that subconscious driving the bus to more of
that front brain way of functioning. And so that's sort
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of the little carrot we kind of put out. There's like, hey,
not only you know is this work going to help
you change up patterns that are really difficult in your
relationship and help you learn how to process emotions in
a safe, healthy way, But you're going to access new
levels of joy in your life that is going to
shoot you forward in this.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Props absolutely, and I have so many I know you
can probably relate to this and the clients that you
take onto, you know, dismissive avoidance that live in such
a frozen state and if you really talk to them
about their emotional experiences, yeah, they don't have a lot
of low lows, but they're not having any joy either.
They're not having any high highs either, because they're stuck
in that frozen state, which is that flat affect, that
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numbness of suppression.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
And a lot of times, one of the.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Best pieces of feedback I can get from a DA
who has gone through this work is like, Wow, I'm
experiencing joy. Like I'm noticing when my kids do stuff
that I like feel really happy, or like I just
noticed my partner in a new way and they make
me feel really happy when before I just wouldn't even notice,
you know, with what they were doing to provide something
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good to their relationship or how great of a mom
they were or dad they were or whatever. And so
they're actually tapping into joy because they finally feel safe
enough to do that. Their emotional you know, processing ability
has strengthen to the point where their nervous system is
finally feeling the effects and it's joy.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I also think it's important to put and you know,
it seems so elementary when you just think of the
word joy, right, it's this three letter word and it's
your middle name, and it's my middle name. Maybe I
shouldn't have revealed that on the pot, but it is
your middle name.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
That's totally okay.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
But it's like, when you shift that perspective of aligning
healing with joy, it really puts this.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Idea on healing that it.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
It's it's happy, right, it's happy, it's lovely, it's beautiful.
It doesn't have to be this really painful experience. It
should actually be this really joyful, beautiful.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
Experience, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
And and I think too many times we get stuck,
especially recently because I say a lot that like I
think as a human race, like we're reaching these higher
levels of consciousness, and some of that has to do
with social media, but sometimes you can get so like
you can get information fatigue and like there's we're infiltrated
(12:07):
with so much information. And so when it comes to healing,
I think we are reaching this higher level of consciousness
around it as a whole. But sometimes there's this negative
perspective or this negative connotation like you're broken, you have
to heal, right, And that's not really the truth, right.
(12:27):
The truth is that healing is available to you, and
healing brings you really beautiful new sensations. And I think
we're all three testaments.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
Of that for sure.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
Amen.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, yeah, so I know you can't show favorites obviously,
but is there like a particular type of client or
it's a particular type of attachment style that you like
to coach versus another.
Speaker 6 (12:53):
Oh man, I have a heart for fas.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Yeah, I think we all do.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
We are so motivated and you know, it's the pain
that inner chaos are experiencing. But it also makes them
amazing clients to work with because they are ready to
hit the ground running. That being said, I have yet
to come across the client that i've you know, seriously
been like no, this isn't gonna work. I can't, you know,
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because of their attachment style, like right, you know, but
I will say I find the most joy myself in
helping an FA move forward.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
That makes sense.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, they have high levels of awareness usually.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Yeah, if they are FA tipped more to the anxious side,
they usually are pretty able to name their emotional experience.
As people report in that category that they are more
aware of their patterns when they come.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
You know, I would say that.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
AP and DA's are less aware of themselves in general.
Now that's just an in general statement.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, yes, So you know, in terms speaking on patterns,
and I'm sure it's the same for you as it
is for Doc, But you know, what are the most like,
what's the primary pattern that you see come into your
practice in terms of relationship dynamic Because I'm curious, I'm
(14:13):
curious if y'all are seeing different things.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
I will say the most common pairing I get is
the FA with the FA of course, one leaning anxious,
one leaning avoidant, and all dynamic is just in full force.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
I call it the best friends slash mortal enemies dynamic.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah, and I mean that's I can say with certainty
that that was probably my ex and me that we
were both fas, me leaning more anxious, of course, but
it's it can it can get pretty.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Nasty, yeah, it can. It can get very toxic. But
they they create such a deep friendship and like such
a deep bond because they have that core in our
need to be understood, and so I think they're really
attentive to each other's needs, at least at first until
that anxious avoidant trap just gets into full and then
it kind of cycles.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Are you know this because you've talked about it before,
But like when two fas are healed.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
It's like beautiful, It's very beautiful. Yeah, because that's you
and Donald.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
It is me and Donald.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yeah, because we do have some degree of hypervigilance toward
each other, but in a very good way, in a
way that makes us attentive to each other's needs and
able to sort of anticipate each other's needs, which is
a very fa thing to want.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Right, But we've been able to master our triggers to
the for the most part. I mean there's some catching correct,
but for the most part we get it right, and
we're able to handle conflict in a really respectful and
efficient way.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
And that is the absolute key. But we had to
be able to.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Train our nervous systems around intimacy to do that, which
is interesting.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
You say two fas.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
I usually see the FA in the DA, but I
make a lot of videos on that, so that might
be why.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah, I would say that's probably my second most frequently
I will What may happen the most though, is the
person who believed their DA and then we do the
assessment and we just cover the yes.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
I have that a lot too, because the FADA and
the true DA. I'd say, there's like this, I don't
know if you experiences too, But there's like this small
percentage of people that are FA DA, but they they
just don't have the they're not really fully DA, but
they're not really fully FA either.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
They're like almost in their own category.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
They lack the emotional intelligence of the FA, but they
have the reactivity. There's a lot of evidence of the
betrayal wounds there. But they may have like DA things
like they have the blinders on and they just have like.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Really a stream of consciousness.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Like no, they don't have as much of a stream
of consciousness or awareness of their own stream of consciousness.
So they're like this real blending between the FA and
the DA. But they're not necessarily like your typical FA.
So almost it's like this weird category. I always call
them like the ten percent that doesn't fit perfectly into
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one of the four boxes. It's usually in that category
because they usually have like they're usually like DA but
with like the anger problem of the FA.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Right, yeah, And of course, I mean a reminder for everybody,
and this is something that you guys know better than me,
But attachment is on a spectrum. It's so you know,
like you always describe it because most people are visual learners.
Like if you think of a line right and secure
attachments in the middle, the DA is over here, the
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the AP is over here, the anxious preoccupied. You know,
there's this line that people can kind of oscillate down
the line right right, And in terms of analogies, you
probably could have said that way for.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
You're so good at analogies.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Is it like she is on top, Like she can
always like just pinpoint this analogy and it makes like
the light bulb go off even that much more. I mean,
still with me even knowing you as long as I've
known you, like you'll say things and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yes, clean, yes, and the teacher, yeah, the teacher it.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Is it is.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
And that's what I've always said, like when I'm talking
to people on the phone about you all, that's one
point that I always like to make. It's like, you know,
both doctor Hinsley and Coach Elizabeth have education backgrounds, and.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Guys, teaching is a gift. It's a gift.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
I like, I don't have it right and it's okay,
but it's a gift. And so when you are able
to combine your backgrounds in terms of attachment and counseling,
and then you have that and real life experience because
we know you've had some real life experience as well,
and then you add that teacher component on top of it.
(18:48):
It just makes you this triple threat in terms of
teaching our clients what they really need to know and
really getting them to the next level in terms of
their healing journey. So that was actually going to be
My next question is, in your opinion, what's the most
powerful shift that someone can make on their healing journey.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
Let me think about that. That's a good question, and
that's a hard question.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
It is a hard one.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
That's a tough one because there's there's a plethora right
of things that people can do.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, I would say that shift from self protection to
self connection right.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
That that was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I mean it's really it's when you go from asking
like how do I stop feeling this?
Speaker 6 (19:38):
Or how do I get them to change? To what
is this feeling?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Trying to teach me about my wounds, my patterns, you know,
my my feelings, so are my needs rather And when
I see clients make that shift, when they realize they
can deeply source that safety within themselves.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
It's just everything changes. Everything changes.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It does.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
And I always say, if you are in a place
where you are asking how do I get my partner
to blank? That is a key key sign that you're
not in the secure place. It has to be what
is going on with me that I am tolerating this,
or what is going on with me that I'm having
this reaction to this in this way? Right? We have
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to point the finger back atself because that is the
only element you can control in the situation.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
It's right, right, Yes, So do you have a favorite
success story? Like obviously without mentioning names, right, because I
mean you've been doing this, how long have you been
on with with Sarah and now I.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
Mean two solid years?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Yeah, it's gone on three.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Yeah I thought that.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I thought it was going on three. So I know you've,
you know, at this point coached you know, if hundreds
of clients and you know, I know that you've you've
probably seen some people really grow. So tell us one
of those stories.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Oh my goodness, I knew when when you asked that
I had, I had my person in my head and meeting.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
So this client, the cool thing about this client is
that he started with me literally my first day in
this practice.
Speaker 6 (21:17):
And it's amazing, it really is.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
And so most clients and I'm first session, I tell them, hey,
we are solution focused practice. My goal is to get
you what you need in as few sessions as possible
and send you on your way. Right, this is a therapy,
it's coaching, so it's not really designed to like go
on forever and ever.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
But this client we're on like session forty or something.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Wow.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
But when he came to us, he was in the.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Throes of breakup with the DA and he is anxious,
preoccupied textbook, and he was really engaging in some pretty
destructive self soothing behaviors.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
Just really in the pit.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
And to see where he was to where he is now,
where you know, he spent some time single, he spent
some time healing, learning the tools and strategies and applying
those things. He now is on.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
The verge of getting engaged. So it's been over two years,
so be on the verge.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Of getting engaged to a wonderful woman who came into
his life. And so just seeing that transformation and being
directly a part of that has just it's been huge
for me.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
To get that's such a gift and I will say
like that was One beautiful thing about coaching is seeing
the transformation, seeing the perspective shift, seeing the light bulbs
go off, and seeing people really get it.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Yeah, and you know, I mean, I think.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
That's that's what it's all about, right, that's that's the
premise of really changing people's life so that you change
the world.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
And you, ladies, are world changers.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I'm just gonna say it, y'all are y'all are out
here changing the world, making people better. And I mean
just the fact that this guy's been with you that long, Liz,
is a true testament of how great you are at
your job. And and you know, and I have heard
tons of feedback because again it's a question I get constantly,
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what's the difference between doctor Hensley and coach Elizabeth? And
I'm like, look, there's no wrong answer here. You know,
there's no wrong answer. And if anything, you know, Liz
has a good return rate. Yeah, people come back.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Right, absolutely, That's why that's why you're still here.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
You're highly trusted, highly trusted, and honestly, you just have
this beautiful presence about you. In the few times that
I've been around you. That's that you do you do
exude joy and you exude sort of like this real
calming effect, A lot of warmth, Yes, a lot of warmth,
And I think that goes a long way when you're touching.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
It does, and I think that that I I mean,
I consider myself a kind and warm person.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
But I can be more direct.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
I can.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
It's how I would describe you and how I typically
do describe you.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Yeah, I'm I'm I prefer telling people the truth over
preserving their long term feelings, but I try to do
it as gently and respectfully as possible.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
You do, And the way that I would describe it
is it's sort of just the it's it's the shift.
And you have a doctor brain, so like your brain
is a little bit more logical and a little bit
more prescriptive, which makes you appear a little bit more direct.
I mean, think about just a regular physician, right most
of the time, most of the time they are very direct.
(24:47):
Like if you if you just you know, if you
were trying to differentiate between your physician and like a
nurse practitioner, right, like, that's how it would kind of
describe you to Like Liz, you're a nurse practitioner, doc
you're a doc, you know, and so hopefully.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
I get I just gave a good analogy. Look at
look at you.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I did it.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
But yeah, so I you know.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
But I again, for our listeners out there who are
thinking about, no, which direction do I go? Listen, I
know that both of these these women personally, you can't
go wrong. You can't go wrong, you know, And you've
been trained directly under Sarah. You follow her curriculum, and
so in terms of the tools and strategies, like in
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the groups specifically, you're gonna get it all.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
You're gonna get Yeah, you're gonna get it all. And
even the groups that you are leading, they're still taking
my online course, so they're getting a little dose of
me too. But I think some people just want to
see me because on the face, because they're who they
connect with me in this one way connection on social media,
and they're not as connected to Liz.
Speaker 5 (25:55):
But which I think we're having you on.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
We want them to be connected to you because you
have been such an asset, such an asset. And even
clients where you know, I've done one or two sessions
and they're like, okay, you know, I know now that
I have a lot of work to do, but I
can't really keep up with your price point. I feel
perfectly fine sending them to you because I know that
they're going to be in great hands.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Yep, that's right.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
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right after I would coach. And that's why I say, like,
coaching is really hard and you have to, you know,
find this level of compartmentalization, you know, because you're you
are dealing with people who are in high emotional distress
and it takes a toll. And so how do you
balance that and how do you not get things like
empathy or expectation fatigue?
Speaker 6 (28:16):
Great question.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Well, I'm a mom, so yes that that balance is
really important because when I'm not here on screen with clients,
I'm with my daughter and so you know, I even
if I'm feeling that, it's like I do have to
do a bit of that compartmentalizing.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
But I tell my clients all the time, I practice
what I preach.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, So if I'm feeling that at the end of
a session, I'll take a few minutes and do some
regulating work. I'll do some neural feedback, I'll do some breathing.
And that makes all the difference. And you know, we
happen to live close to the water. I'll go dip
my toes in the in the sand ground myself being outside.
But to be honest with you, one of my favorite
strategies for achieving balance is taking a nap now and then.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
Thank you, I thank yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Nice sign that you have a good nervous system, Like
if you can take a nap and it's like a
productive nap, not like an all day nap.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Or right, right, just like a little like a little yes.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Oh man, jealous too.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
I'm jealous because I have yet to master that, and
and I would really really love to, But I think
you're right.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
If I try, it'll be bang crash, boom mom.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Mom.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
If I tried, I'd just be like, hmm, what can
I scroll on social media? You know, but sometimes I will,
like if I'm really, you know, tired, I will make
a point to take the load off and take at
least take a little nap. But I think you're right,
and I've never really thought of it that way. That
is a sign of a healthy nervous system, which we're
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told our whole lives after like preschool, that naps sort
of aren't allowed, right, like societal norms have put on us. No,
you have to come to work from eight to five
every single day, and if you fall asleep at your desk,
your fire day.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
But it's like wait, in Europe, they take the is
all the time.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
Yeah, I know, we don't operate that way in the US, right,
And we you and I keep odd hours because we
do evening groups, we have clients maybe in the evening.
We try to accommodate people, try to have times open
outside of a normal work schedule because you know, I
don't want to shut out people that really need help,
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but they have to be glued to a desk and
being productive from eight to five. You know, I want
to have a six pm available or something available to
them so we can we can work odd hours which
is also tough sometimes.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, And I think one of the most beautiful things
about adding you into the group segment of our services
is that you've been able to really open up some
more unique times that Doc doesn't necessarily have in terms
of her schedule.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I just don't have it because of my kids.
Speaker 5 (30:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:51):
So well in your content, I mean you're yeah, trying
to Yeah, there's a lot of other aspects that go
into to what you're doing, Sarah that that's.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Kind of behind the and I mean the behind the
scenes stuff is also huge.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
Like even listen.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Answering emails is a huge feat for her, and because
I just because I have access to her email, Like
the infiltration of emails that come through on the hour
is pure insanity.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Don't even go to the social media message.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
I mean, well we know, you know, I mean listen,
I know, because we help facilitate that. And it's we
have to, right, we have to because you're one person
and you have a very busy life. And the again
talking about just serendipity and feeling like how in sync
this is or godly it all is that we all
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came together, is that thankfully we know enough about the
foundation of attachment, and all of our backgrounds come from
you know, psychology or counseling or ministry work for you, Liz,
and teaching. It's made this perfect sort of marriage between
us that it works really well. It works so well,
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and we're excited because we're about to bring on another coach.
And you know, I think one thing that Sarah and
I both said when we interviewed our new coach is that, Wow,
she reminds us a lot of Liz.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, that's what we said.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
We were like, she's so positive and thoughtful and warm
and kind and her disposition and you know, but also truthful, yes,
you know, and we need that, you know. Going back
to just my directness, I mean, you're also not going
to deprive clients of the truth. And sometimes it is
a hard truth that they have to face. And so
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tell us a little bit about that. How do you
handle that when you have a client that's maybe making
really poor decisions or is continuing, you know.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Some self destructive behavior. How are you able.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
To connect with that client and get them to attempt
to see that these patterns are not fruitful for them.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I think something I learned and like counseling one on
one in grad school was unconditional positive regard, assuming the
best about your client, kind of setting that expectation that
you will just assume will become a.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Self fulfilling prophecy for that client.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
And so, you know, while while we're talking about the
hard things, I'm also speaking about where we're going and
and and.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
The way forward and growing.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Usually, if they've come to us, there's some level of
self awareness that has developed.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Not always, not always clients who have been dragged there.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, yeah, but the ones that are sort of starting
that self awareness and realizing like the pain of these
patterns is just becoming intolerable and starting to recognize the
ways that they're hurting themselves. And really it's just continually
putting truth in front of them, right, and also speaking
life into their story, right.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
And sometimes it's reminding them that although the change is painful,
you can choose the indefinite pain of the current patterns,
or you can choose the temporary pain that the change
or moving through the pain of detachment, or whatever the
temporary pain is, it's worth it to get to the
other side, right, So I can understand that.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I would say too, that approach really gives them this
idea that hey, someone sees the good in me, and
I don't want to let them down, right, like I
don't want to let Liz down, or I don't want
to let doctor Hensley down, like I want to show
up in a different way. And that's a big motivator.
I mean, that's a huge motivator. I know it would
for me and my people pleasing skills. I would be
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on that all day.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
And I think the interventions that we give we try
to be prescriptive. Go home, do this for this many minutes, right,
do this thing and keep practicing it instead of just
leaving session where people have just vented and they don't
have any real tools. I mean, of course, we can't
always give prescriptive tools after just one session. Sometimes all
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we can do is get through the attachment interview because
somebody has so much to say about their past or
you know, and so we try to give maybe even
just one initial strategy, and that could be Okay, we
need more coaching here, right, because we filled up the session.
But I think we try to give people really clear
tools to use so they don't just feel like they're
just talking and venting and that's all they're getting. Out
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of it, which a lot of people come from a
therapeutic setting and say I had a great therapist and
she was really kind and she she made me aware
of some things and I got to vent a lot,
but I don't actually know what to do to get better. Yeah,
and not knocking therapists. There are some good ones out there,
but this from also not good ones out there.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, And I think that is one thing that probably
sets the practice as a whole, apart from a therapy setting,
is that it really is the next level of healing
past processing, which we've you've said multiple times, and you
say in a lot of your content that I mean,
like I feel like if you had like one saying
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that I mention over and over and over again. There's
a few of them like because you know, we've we've
been told our whole life like knowledge is power. Knowledge
is power, not if you don't do anything with it.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
So I mean the one thing that you say a
lot is you know, knowledge is not enough. Knowledge is
not equal healing, right, Like, it's the integration of the tools,
it's the capacity building around the tools. It's the daily
practice of the tools. And I don't again, not like
you said not knocking therapy at all. I think therapy
serves its purpose, but coaching is is different in the
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sense of, like you just said, Liz, this isn't necessarily
like hey, it's not a long game where you have
to keep coming back and keep coming back and keep
coming back. We want you to walk away from this.
And this is why the group is so so beneficial.
It's literally the fast track to healing. It's because in
four weeks you can have these tools and strategies if
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you continue to practice them.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
It's all about continuing to practice them, if you continue
to practice them, where you can really cultivate real change
in your life.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
And I think that listen, that's what people are searching for.
That's what people are wanting. That's especially within their romantic relationships.
I mean, we all know the divorce, right, we all
know that it's high and and what it's doing to
you know, the next generation. And so I mean that's
why I say, y'all are y'all are world changers because
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you're changing people's relationships, you're saving marriages. And when you
can save the marriage and the family unit, you save
the world.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Yeah, you save the world.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
We have to be able to try to protect the
family if we can, but sometimes there are marriages that
should end. Ye tell us a little bit about that, Liz,
Like how do you approach clients when you know and
I know you see it because I see it, there's
one partner that is not interested in doing this work.
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They're too they have too much resentment, they have too
much pain, or maybe they're just too avoidant and it's
too uncomfortable for them, and they've been dragged there and
they're there and they're not participating, like they're not using
the tools, Like when do you and when do you
call it? And how do you approach that conversation of
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like and this this is it's time to call this.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
That's that's a painful conversation to have it when talked
about work life balance. That's probably when I need the
most recovery. Is asked me to have that conversation with
the client too, especially when we have that client who
has done all the things for so long everything just
having to accept.
Speaker 6 (38:58):
So it looks a.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Little bit like, you know, first we really examine, like, Okay,
have you been able to apply these tools and strategies
to yourself and set some real boundaries in this relationship
to try to change some of those dynamics, because we
know that's key to sort of initiating change. You know,
sometimes that that's most of the time, I would say
that's extremely effective. And if it's still just something that's
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really toxic, or especially if it crosses the line into abuse,
which is my all pet peeves is when people kind
of attribute abusive behaviors to attachment.
Speaker 6 (39:32):
Iman like no, no, no, that yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Does not explain or excuse any kind of abuse, but
as it's the conversation around encouraging them, you know, here's
what you've done, here's what you've tried, here's how far
you've come. Now we may need to have the hard
conversation around letting go, and I'll just output.
Speaker 6 (39:54):
It like that letting go.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
And walk them through with that looks like and very painful,
but yeah, sometimes very necessary. But I usually will honestly
do all that I can to honor the client's wishes
if they're wanting to relationship. And then but if it
becomes inevitable, yeah, sometimes I have one to kind of
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break the news.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Yeah, I hate that conversation as well, And it's usually
almost always the same situation of just one partner that
a lot of times it's either a very severe DA
who like just can't scratch the surface with even self
reflection because there's too much internalized shame and they're too suppressed.
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Or sometimes it's somebody who is it's you know, even
though we can't give these diagnoses, we know there's narcissism there, right,
Like we know there's like this person has high narcissistic traits,
if not NPD, and we're just like.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
They're not getting it.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
You know, I'll never forget having one client where this
was the case and we talked about you know, we
take them through the conflict resolution plan, and instead of
saying like I feel like this was my experience and
I feel unheard, they would make an accusation, like they
couldn't understand the difference between saying in my experience, this
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is how it felt, versus I feel like you're a
terrible partner, right.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Or like I feel like you, you know, don't listen.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Like that's different than saying I feel a little bit
unheard here. Right, It's like you're making an accusation. And
then you can see like the narc spiral, right when
they lose control of the conversation or when they it's
pointed out to them that they are the ones that
are not following the rules.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
You can see it in their eyes.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
You can see like that narcissistic defensiveness come out, and
you're just like, oh, man, I was really hoping this
wasn't what that is.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
But it's what that is. And we can't give those diagnoses.
We don't.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
We're not we're not operating as clinical psychologists. We're not
operating from a clinical therapeutic setting or a diagnostic setting.
We're operating from a coaching perspective. And attachment is not
a psychological disorder. It is simply a pattern of behavior
that comes from subconscious beliefs. So we have a lot
more wiggle room. But I don't know. For me, it's
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usually one of those two situations. I don't know what
about you. Do you encounter those two situations?
Speaker 3 (42:28):
I absolutely relate. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And the tricky thing,
like you said, we can't diagnose, but how well word
that is. I'm picking up on some factors that might
be beyond or outside of attachment.
Speaker 6 (42:42):
Yes, that are a lot more static, a lot more.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Difficult to change. And this is not going to be
the setting wherever that's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
I always refer them to a clinical psychologist for an evaluation,
you know, and most of the time their partner's like,
I don't need that, and it's like, oh oh yes.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
And again I just want, you know, to point out
how beautiful that is about this practice.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
Is that like, we're not here to keep you around
to just take your money, right, Like, we're y'all.
Speaker 1 (43:14):
You know, y'all are here, I say we you know,
I'm more of a back back person operations marketing, but
I mean, y'all are here to take these people on
a journey to kind of like parenting, like of letting
them go yep, letting them go into the world to
apply what they what you've taught them, to apply what
they've learned, and hopes that they'll you know, it's a
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lifelong thing that they practice. And so I wanted to
ask you one more question because I think it's important.
So we know that you're a strong Christian woman, and
of course you know, doctor Hinsley is too, as am I,
and we talk openly about our Christianity on the pod,
but we also you know, we respect and honor those
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people who you know, maybe those aren't their belief systems.
So the way that you practice in terms of, you know,
the Christian aspect of what the Love doc offers and
then the secular aspect.
Speaker 5 (44:13):
Can you just talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Sure, I am definitely a Christian and in fact, my
graduate work was from a seminary.
Speaker 6 (44:22):
Right, definitely have that background, which is.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
I think something that makes you unique.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
It makes you very unique.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Yeah, and it's a lot of where I think your
compassion comes from for sure.
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yes, absolutely, And most of my clients are not believers, right,
and so it's really one of these things where I
don't put it out there. I don't necessarily go there
unless the client mentions that for themselves or you know,
expresses that they're Christians. And then I'm more than happy
to offer some of our faith based to goals and
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strategies and you know, share a little bit about especially
when it comes to managing our thought world. When it
comes even that joy based model of attachment, I'm like,
isn't this exciting that science is telling us something we
already knew?
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Right?
Speaker 6 (45:09):
And gratitude and how all of that plays into it.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
These things that kind of you know, sound a little
fluffy and cheesy, have some hard signs behind them and
are also affirmed in what we know in the Bible,
and so you know, I have that kind of always
running in the background. And also just my view of
humanity and and just the inherent worth of every single
person who's made in the image of God, and.
Speaker 6 (45:32):
That absolutely informs my practice.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
But but of course I work with clients from absolutely
every imaginable background and lifestyle, so you know that that
comes up.
Speaker 6 (45:42):
When appropriate, and if not, you know, I leave it
in the background.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Right. You meet people where they are, which again is
a beautiful thing.
Speaker 5 (45:48):
A beautiful thing. So do you have any more questions?
Speaker 2 (45:53):
I mean, I feel like I know, le, But let's
just tell the world.
Speaker 4 (46:00):
Why you do this work, and you know what keeps
you motivated doing this work and why people should book
with you.
Speaker 2 (46:10):
Tell the world.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
I love my clients and I am a sojourner on
this path with them. Yes, I'm the expert in the room,
and I try to, you know, approach it with that bearing,
but also with the empathy and the compassion to walk
alongside and be able to get them where they are,
from where they are to where they want to go,
and those light bulb moments and those moments where there's
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evidence of healing and evidence.
Speaker 6 (46:35):
Of progress make it absolutely worth it.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah, more times than not, you know, we I the
vast majority of the time we're able to really be
witnessed to those changes in our clients.
Speaker 6 (46:46):
And yes, it's absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Yes it truly is.
Speaker 4 (46:50):
And you know, for people that don't believe us, like
we don't want you as a perpetual customer, because then
we feel like we failed. We feel like we've failed
at our jobs. We want to feel good about ourselves.
We want to say, yes, they went through this program,
and look at how well they're doing. Look at how
happy they are, Look at how much their relationship is improved.
(47:10):
Look oh they're they're with a new secure partner now
and it's going so much better. And wow, they've made
these changes and these shifts. And you know, I love
hearing a client come back and check in with me
and tell me how great they're doing. Like that is
what keeps us going. I don't want to have to
listen to someone's trauma over and over and over again
and see them stay stuck. That's exhausting for me too, right,
(47:33):
it's the growth and the outcome that keeps us going.
And so no, we don't want you as a perpetual client.
We will take you as long as you want to
check in and need and need support or want support.
And I have some long term clients that have been
with me for a really long time and they just
you know, they just check in every now and then,
and they just want, you know, for their own well being,
(47:54):
to be like, here's my accountability, here's what I'm doing,
you know, or how do I tweak this, I'm in
a new relationship or whatever it is. But when we
can send somebody off and we're like, wow, they're gonna
make it like they've just changed their lives. There's no
greater feeling than that than knowing that you've been a
positive force for good in the world. And so we
(48:14):
are not here to take your money. Right if we
wanted to take your money, we could, and we're not
going to do that over and over again. You're gonna hopefully,
you know, if you do individual work, you know, maybe
five six sessions. If you're doing the group, you've got
four sessions. And then we want you to be that
little birdie that takes off with your own wings.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
And we are we're about I don't ever like to
give a timeline because timelines never work out the way
that I plan them in terms of operations, but we
are going to launch some bundle packages for both of
your one on ones very soon. It'll be a three
or five package deal, which I felt like was made
(48:56):
the most sense right because a lot of times I know,
in terms of relationship, like one partner may want to
come in like each one may want to do one
individually and then they come in together, or they may
want to do the two individually and then come in together,
or vice versa. So just be on the lookout for
the bundle one on ones. Those are coming down the pipeline,
(49:17):
and of course Lizz's group dates are posted on the
website as our Doctor Hensley's and of course for all
of our listeners included with Lizzi's groups as well. You
can put in Love Doc twenty seven at checkout and
receive twenty seven percent off any of the courses or
(49:37):
any of the hybrid groups including Lizz and Liz has
a ton of dates coming up.
Speaker 4 (49:45):
So excited about that, and the feedback we have gotten
from your groups has been fantastic. You're an excellent facilitator,
excellent on your feet at answering questions and being able
to help clients in real time. And that's where that
teacher training meets counseling training, and you know, we're teacher
and psychology just meet up. Then we have a real
(50:08):
powerhouse duo. And you definitely have that powerhouse. So we
are so happy that you're still here and that you
love what you do just as much as we love
having you.
Speaker 6 (50:17):
So thank you so anywhere you've stuck with me.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yay, we love you and that makes me really I
love you so much. Yeah, so thank you for being here.
Thank you for giving me hour of your time. We
know you're a busy mom, and we just we just
love you dearly.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yes we do.
Speaker 6 (50:34):
Oh, I love you though so much.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
I'm just so grateful and thank you for letting me
join me today.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
And we may do this, you know, just periodically, just
bring you on, you know, and just because this I
just love how this conversation went was really beautiful and
just you know, because we're always getting new listeners and
it's always nice for people to really get to to
hear you and meet you on a deeper level, because
I think that matters, right, that matters when you think
of like, who am I going to choose to, you know,
(51:02):
take my healing journey with, you know, in terms of facilitation.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Some of the hardest things that people deal with.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
Yeah, you want those things to be placed in good hands.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yes, yes, and both of you. I'm I know that
y'all are going to think I'm biased, but I'm really not.
I'm really not Like I can be objective here, but
I can say with one hundred and ten percent certainty
that if you're on a healing journey, either of these
ladies would be a wonderful choice to help you facilitate
(51:36):
or start or you know you, if you're in a
you know you and your partner are both needing it,
they are both a wonderful.
Speaker 5 (51:44):
Option for that.
Speaker 4 (51:46):
And we like to get to the root cause, and
we'd like to fix it for good, and we want
to see you on your way.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
We want to see you thriving. So absolutely we uh
we hope you will entrust us with your healing journey.
It's a big deal, yep.
Speaker 5 (51:58):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
So you can get to the lovedoc dot com check
out all of the services there, and just a reminder
for all of our listeners, we now have a Patreon's
account patreons dot com slash the Love doc podcast. If
you are one of our super fans, you can go
there and sign up for a subscription. There's different tiers
you can check them out. I won't explain them all here,
(52:20):
but there are perks to each tier. So we would
love to have you as a super fan. But to
all of our fans, we love you, guys.
Speaker 5 (52:27):
We love you all.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
Yes, we're so grateful for all of you, and of
course until next time, peace, love, and perspective.
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