August 7, 2025 • 34 mins
Co-Host Emily McKay (https://mountaintoppodcast.com/) Emily joins me for a long-overdue conversation on how pets affect relationships between men and women. As you might have already imagined, this went in probably every direction you could think of and then some...starting with Emily's thoughts on how men who have cats are p*ssies. Yeah, well...is that always the case? Isn't there such thing as a masculine pet cat? Should men be 'dog people' instead if they want to attract women? If so, what breeds should men think about getting as opposed to other ones? Which are the chick magnets at the local dog park? And women are certainly not off the hook. What breeds of dog should women avoid getting if they expect to get a boyfriend? And more importantly, how many cats are too much for a woman to have...turning her into 'single cat-lady'? Are chickens only for farmers? What if he has reptiles as pets? What's more, what if SHE does? Is a chick with a snake a dealbreaker, let alone 'lizard lady'? What if the two of you like each other, but his Rottweiler would probably consider her new kitten a tasty snack? What if you're a single parent and the kid tugs at your heartstrings to pick a certain person to date...all because they'd score a new puppy in the deal? What if your new wife starts coddling a duck, bunny rabbit or a baby goat instead of you? And should couples get a pet or two as a trial run before making babies? Do pets make blending families even more tricky? Most of all, discover why guinea pigs are not okay under any circumstances and should be banned from the country. Have you checked out the new Substack at https://mountaintoppodcast.com/substack
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(00:01):
How's it going everybody?
name is Scot McKay and I'm Emily McKay and we want to welcome you to the first videoversion of the mountaintop podcast Slash X & Y on the Fly that we're doing together as a
team.
All right.
Yeah absolutely.
You know, we do every tenth episode as a video show and this would be the first suchepisode that's video.
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And boy howdy, do we have a topic for you today?
This is gonna be a lot of fun I don't know how it can't be a lot of fun.
I know especially since I came up with it
Yeah, yeah, she came up with the idea for this particular show dating relationships andpets.
Yes, namely dogs and cats.
And guinea pigs and mice and rats and ball pythons.
Sheep, chickens.
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Sheeps, plural for sure.
um I actually did.
had a woman come to my house.
She said, can I bring my small pet with me?
I was like, you know, I'm open-minded.
I got nothing to lose.
She brings her snake with her.
God.
A python.
It was just a little dude, but I mean, you know, she was the snake lady up front.
Won't be little for long.
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Yeah.
Well, yeah.
Right.
Exactly.
Kind of exotic.
I mean, I thought it was actually kind of cool and sexy.
I didn't really have an opinion on it either way.
Did you pet it?
Oh, I held it and let it squeeze my neck almost to exhaustion and all that good stuff.
All that for kiss.
Well, I'm not even sure that came out of it, but she did get a free dinner out of it,which was helpful.
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But yeah.
I don't think that is what we're mostly talking about.
Nah.
But I do think guinea pigs are a relationship killer.
Yes, absolutely.
They're just worthless.
Oh, no, they're cute.
They're adorable.
But they're stinky and they're scared and they're like cats and people in Peru thinkthey're delicious.
Well, I haven't tried them.
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Yes.
They call them cui, right?
Yeah.
We we don't eat them here and we shouldn't have them as pets here either.
Basically, we shouldn't have them in the United States of America at all.
According to you.
According to me.
What say you?
I brought a pet once I brought a guinea pig into this house once remember This is whereI'm drawing my influential opinion from This is where I'm coming up with this stuff.
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household needs a guinea pig.
think every household should get rid of any guinea pig Especially ones that are antisocialand get scared easily and bite your fingers off if you try to take them out of the cage
We're just ruining its life in your own, right?
Well, let's see...we need guinea pigs chickens hamsters
Now the chicken lady on a date I mean if this is like Farmers Only.com and you're braggingabout your chickens and your tractor and stuff on your online profile Maybe although I
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think online dating in general is pretty much dead But the chicken lady is there any roomfor that in suburbia?
Usually not I mean most of these HOAs don't allow us to have chickens, so it would be adeal deal breaker for some people
Well, it would, you know, you have to break a few deals to make an omelet.
Or compromise.
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Well, you don't see where I'm going with that.
OK, there's a lot of free eggs.
you're a guy who likes his breakfast and likes eggs in general, dating a woman who's gotsome chickens might have some appeal.
Yeah, but see, then you have to make the chicken coop.
know she has to come pretty quick with the chicken coop.
No hammers, no nails, not not on my property.
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NIMBY, baby, not in my backyard.
No, that would be the guys make the chicken coop.
They set up the fence.
There's a lot of work for you guys when we, when we, when, you have a farmer's wife.
Yeah.
Well, that would indicate that I'm a farmer if he's my wife.
Half half city girl, half farmer girl.
Well, I mean, I'm not going to cheat on some farmer's wife.
You know, I'm not going to cheat with that woman.
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Those farmers have big implements to come at me with.
That's true.
Usually shotguns too.
oh It could be that.
Especially in Texas.
Yeah.
So enough about chicken women.
I don't think that's really where we're going with this anyway.
Especially dogs and cats.
That's probably most common.
I'm going to throw the quiet part out on the table out loud.
You have been on record for years and years and years that you think uh men who have catsare, well, for lack of better word, pussies.
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Yeah, I am on record for that.
Yeah, will you elaborate on that a little bit?
Well, it has been my experience with the guys that I dated prior to meeting you.
I don't have any cats, by the way.
But the profiles that I met and the guys that I had met the guys who were like totally catdudes Zero dogs.
I mean they were like anti dog totally fat right where you know, they were just Not mything.
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They weren't your thing I've heard other women say the same thing like dudes who love catsor something wrong with those guys.
Yeah, they seem I don't know they just seem different different different
And the ones I had met some of them were very feminine.
Oh, okay.
You know, we have a cat now in this house Was that your thinly veiled attempt to feminizeme somehow by making me live with a cat or where are going with this?
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So let's talk about cat ladies I Mean if a woman has one cat, I think that's pretty cool.
If she has six or eight cats, that's a red flag You're not gonna get cat number two, butthat's a different podcast for a different occasion
Cat women in general, if a woman is bragging on a first date about how she has six oreight or 10 cats and just can't stop herself from adopting another poor little cat lest it
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get euthanized, I believe personally most men are gonna run away from that.
Run away, yes.
Big What do you think?
Do think you should run away?
I would think so.
I would run away.
I mean, those things are expensive.
And the upkeep and trying to keep the problem is the sanitary part of it is hard to keepthings clean Yeah, when you have more animals than you can handle Yeah, that's a that's a
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lot of litter boxes to clean up and I don't know how you know She'd better be reallyefficient now if I loved her enough if she was amazing enough in so many ways that I Could
look past the six cats like you look past my two dogs your two hairless terriers
All right, we're going to talk about dogs in a second.
So I don't want to get ahead of myself.
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But let's just say my first impression of the male dog Cosmo was it rushed up to my footat record speed and peed on my shoe.
He was just saying he loved you.
Well, that's a that's a that's a strange way to tell me you love me to coin the wholesong.
He was making you his property.
He's marking his territory.
yeah.
I think he's a little jealous maybe of you.
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That's what I think was going on there.
Well, I'll tell you what.
uh I think as far as cats go, it's okay if women have cats.
It's okay if they say cute little things when they're playing with their cats.
That can be kind of sexy.
I like watching women play with their cats.
Which shows the nurturing side and men love that.
Yes, right.
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Because you break out the baby talk thing, but we don't want you to break it out with usjust with your cat.
And that's like where that's going.
But we as men, I kind of can see your point about
Men with cats kind of being on the feminine side.
I know some guys who are pretty macho and pretty masculine who happen to have a cat.
But those cats are masculine.
(07:15):
Yes.
There's some that's like tomboy cats.
mean, right.
You know, they're so dog-like, even though they're a cat.
Well, I can give you a case in point.
When I was living in Yuma with a bunch of roommates, probably the most macho alpha guy inthe house, know, ex-Marine guy, had a cat.
But it was a black cat, right?
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And it was a street fighter.
It was, you know, it wasn't a, it wasn't neutered.
know, junk was intact and he let it out at night and you could hear it out there going upagainst other cats and had like half of its ear torn off.
And I mean, that was an acceptable cat for a male humanoid to have.
(07:58):
Yes.
To some degree.
That would be acceptable.
That's not the same as, know, a guy taking the cat and he loves it so much.
He treats it like a baby and
Nurtures it baby talks it and just Cuddles it right that becomes a vehicle for him toexpress his feminine side is what that And that's what I've encountered.
Yes, I can completely see that So now we're gonna get to the part that we've all wanted totalk about and that's dogs Okay now gentlemen if you have a dog and it is well
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an acceptable breed that makes you look masculine.
Like throwing frisbees?
Oh, yeah, like a frisbee throwing dog, perhaps a whippet like we have.
Although I never recommend whippets to the garden variety humanoid out there, because it'skind of like dating an aerobics instructor.
No matter how good you are, they're better.
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Too athletic, too fast, too slick.
They can literally jump over the back of the couch, grab your sandwich while you'rewatching TV.
And you won't even know what happened until you look down.
mean, that's how fast they are.
Lots of training, lots of attention, lots of running.
You know, men can have a Dalmatian and put a little red bandana around its neck and takeit to the dog park and, you know, let all the women come and go, Oh my goodness, how cute.
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It's like a good peacocking prop.
A good chick magnet.
Yes.
It's a good chick magnet.
Yes.
What say you about all that?
I love a guy who has a dog.
I think it's very, for the lack of a better word, it's hot.
Because you get to see him lead and take care of this animal and that you know he knowshow to take care of things, how to look after them and protect them, and especially one
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with a well-trained dog.
Even if it's a toy, Chowinny, or a teacup Yorkie.
I didn't think about that.
That falls under the category of cats.
Right, well, we don't want that.
No, there's some dogs that...
are more cat like than they are dogs.
You know, I'm thinking about the old Batman episodes.
um There's a cat woman, not a cat boy.
(10:08):
True.
But there is a dog boy cartoon that just came out.
Yeah.
See, that's a masculine feminine thing.
Men are men are dogs.
Women are cats.
That's the oldest analogy in the world.
I think that's because whenever we tell a woman to come here, kitty, kitty, kitty, theykind of go like this.
They just kind of blink their eyes, turn their head slowly and walk in the otherdirection.
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That's what women do.
where dogs will love you no matter what and they have their tongue hanging out ready foranything.
Right?
Right.
So more on dogs and pets as you get into relationship.
Let's say man has the right kind of dog, chick has a cat.
Now they want to get into a relationship, but dogs don't get along well with cats.
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Now what?
That's when you have to decide what your standards and boundaries are.
Oh boy.
Because I know I had my two dogs and it was, they came with
package and then you had to decide you're not a dog person you had to decide whetheryou're going to take on that kind of package you know how much of that trouble can you
take because Cosmo he was a little neurotic I would say.
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little?
Just a little.
You know if a dog chasing its tail until it falls down is neurotic I think.
He needed training.
Well no he was next level from that he was pretty crazy I remember one time he got his
He got his leg caught in the leash when he was walking.
So even when he wasn't on a leash, he acted like his leg was caught in the leash when hewas hobbling around the house.
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Yeah.
The dog didn't have a bad leg.
He just trained himself to believe his leg was perpetually caught in a leash.
Well, it kept perpetually stepping on that leash to the point where he just kept that legup.
Yeah, exactly.
Kind of like that guy in India who's had his arm raised for 50 years and has never droppedit.
He went where his arm withered.
I'm surprised that um Cosmo still had a right rear leg.
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After all of that.
Well, you took on the package and then they have passed it.
Now we got two more at this time.
There's a bad joke in there somewhere that I'll say for another time faster and requiremore training than the Red Terriers did.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Although, you know, let's say the doubt that the dad has a we talked, we haven't talkedabout blended families yet.
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We need to do that too.
That's going to be a challenge.
Yeah.
But let's say
Let's say the guy has a German shepherd and you have a little kitten that might not wantto move in together.
Just get going to resolve that thing.
Somebody the likelihood is one of them is going to have to go.
Yeah, I think so.
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German shepherds and kittens, you know, dogs and cats living together isn't isn'tliterally a thing or hire a professional uh modifier or not a modifier, but a modification
dog trainer who will.
turn the dog into a cat.
Yeah, something like that.
like that.
But even then, that's extremely expensive and no guarantee.
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It sounds expensive.
I mean, the dog is an entity.
It may or may not respond to even the best of training.
What other breeds are good for men to have?
Yeah, so we're looking at golden, golden lab.
uh Labs, of course.
uh German Shepherd, my gosh, those are awesome dogs.
Especially if he was like a copper marine.
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And he adopted his service dog.
Yeah, yeah, that'd be hot.
Very hot.
But those are working dogs.
And unless you have four or five hours a day to volunteer to exercise, play with it, justhave it totally in your life, it's going to be rambunctious and so much of a headache for
you and the girlfriend or boyfriend.
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Yeah.
That it actually could tear a relationship apart.
Well, yeah, let's say that there's too much attention given to the pets.
and not enough to your honey.
Jealousy.
I've seen the dogs get jealous.
I would argue your female American hairless terrier was jealous for its entire life.
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I doubt that.
You doubt that.
What do you think was going on?
I don't know.
She loved me.
I was her person.
Yeah, I think the attention you were giving to me, she would have rather have had it.
She got so much attention in her last years, the last couple of years.
She'd wake up in the middle of the night a few times, eating, you know, differentservices.
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She was an elderly dog.
And each time I would put her back into bed and have her her in, take a little blanket andI would hug her, kiss her, say good night, hop back into bed.
And I would do this several times a night.
And I remember one time I tucked her in and said good night because I never knew when mylast day with her was.
was like four years of palliative care, basically.
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K-9 version.
And I hopped into bed, I rolled over, you said...
I you love that dog more than me.
It took me that long to come to the conclusion because well, frankly, I'm not all thatsmart.
And that's how long it took me to do that.
But yeah, that the dogs in this house rule the household.
We spend a whole lot of time around the dogs and cats in this.
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We do.
They're they're all puppies and kittens right now and probably another year or two fromnow.
They're going to settle down.
But the first few years.
Whoa.
It is something else.
Money, time, effort.
Yes.
Emotions.
Lots of effort.
You know, stuff goes undone because the dogs need to be attended.
That's absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So when you're blending a family and let's say you have a little daughter, your dad, andyou have little daughter and she goes, but daddy, she's a keeper because she's got such
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cute kittens.
She's got like six or eight kittens.
Can we just go hang out with her?
Can you can you marry her?
Because I like all our kittens.
That's going to be a thing, isn't it?
The kids are going to like choosing.
You know who you're dating based on the animals.
Yeah.
Worse.
Worse.
That just reminded me of a more serious situation.
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Let's say you have a toddler or a child that's young and you start dating a guy or a girland they have a more dominant breed.
Oh boy.
a Petty, German Shepherds.
know the bigger dogs that require a Pit Bull.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I thought she said Petty.
Like they have
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Some dog named after Tom Petty, it's a real heartbreaker or something.
A pit bull.
The bull terriers, know, the more stout, strong dogs that really need a lot uh of exercisethat need outlets and without it they can get, you know, unexpected.
Aggressive?
Yeah.
And so it could be a safety issue with the children.
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So those are things to consider when you have children and you're blending somebody elsein your relationship with your children, their animals with your children.
I was anxious to say you could see me wanting to say something instead of just relaxingand listening to you.
Yeah.
At that point, we're going to have to decide whether the pity or the toddler has to go.
That could be a tough decision.
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Not really.
You could just feed the toddler to the pity and give it over with.
Oh, it's awful.
Of course it's awful, but it's funny.
It is.
But yeah, that's when the pity has to go or the person that you are interested in.
You have to make
You have to think about these before you go into the relationship.
You do, don't you?
fall in love, because you don't want to backpedal and make excuses.
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We're going to just do extra training.
We're going to, you know, dream of all this wonderful stuff we're going to do with theanimal and not realizing that none of that's possible.
And both the animals, the children and the relationship suffers all in one.
Reality has to be there first.
And learning to know what your limits are before you go out dating and knowing what the
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writing that as a deal breaker, knowing where those limits lie.
Not until you not only get past the first few dates and decide whether the two of you likeeach other and have something in common and there's no deal breakers, but you have to
actually start.
spending time in each other's living spaces and getting to know these animals and saying,hey, is this all going to come together or is it going to end in a big uh mess, a big
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fracas?
Right.
Especially one who takes on lots of animals and it becomes overwhelming.
There's families who have 10, 8 dogs and other animals and it becomes very loud and it canuh be difficult on some people's nerves.
It's like the family I know where every time I go to their house, she's stroking a duck ora rat or a goose and the husband just looks long suffering like, you know, like it's like
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the old Jewish man.
What are you going to do?
You know, because you're not taking her blessed duck wrapped in a towel that she'scoddling away from.
That's really amazing to me.
know, interestingly enough, I don't know a whole lot of women with a whole lot of animals.
who are single and have any prospects for anything in the future other than being single.
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I don't know if they're attracting a whole lot of guys like that.
Well, I think they could.
mean, there's guys out there who feel just as determined to have lots of animals as womenare.
I believe they're out there.
I've met people like that, the men and the women, who love animals and the more themerrier.
And when you find an animal lover who is, you know,
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The problem with finding someone who's like that, who just can't stay no to bringing inmore animals is if you have two people that way, they might go in over their heads and
have too many animals.
mean, there is that.
But at least they'll be happy together.
The nice thing is you set limits for me because I would bring in more.
Every time I step foot in a pet store or see animals on Facebook or whatever, I'm like,oh, cute.
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I want a hamster.
Oh my gosh, I need fish.
I need a fish tank.
Or I'm like, oh, that hamster has to come home or the guinea pig has to come home.
Or I know I think I want rabbit.
I would have so many animals and I would be so overwhelmed.
would burn out.
So the hamsters as they die.
So you tell me no, you know, because you know, have limits.
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The one place we have boundaries in this relationship is when it comes to her and morepets.
Everything else seems to go.
But I'm kidding.
But boy, especially in pets, because it's a very.
It's a very objective reality.
I am about to bring home another cat.
Oh, the hell you are.
You're not bringing home another cat.
She's not going to bring home another cat.
Look, we got a male whippet.
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Look, folks.
All right.
If you're watching, I'm looking in the camera.
If you're listening, just listen for a sec.
We have a male whippet who would like to have the cat for dinner.
So we have to hide the cat from the male whippet in this house.
And no, we do not live in like the Playboy Mansion.
OK.
We live in a normal house.
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Mama here said, it'll just take at most 90 days to acclimate.
Six months.
Well, she's, you know, it's a sliding scale.
The goal posts are being moved here.
It'll take 90 days to get this dog acclimated to the cat so they'll all get along.
It has been a year.
No, we got the cat in November.
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it's been, it feels like five years.
It's been a long time.
They're doing better.
We're actually making progress.
Yeah.
Well that whip it still wants a piece of that cat.
Well now they can look at each other not attack each other.
They're actually calming down both of them.
As long as there's like chicken wire between them they can do that.
We're making progress.
Another year from now we'll be together.
Not that we actually do have chicken wire.
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I was being facetious because that would mean we had chickens and we certainly do not havechickens.
That was that was a boundary I said a long time ago.
That's our next call.
No I think the
Homeowners Association made that call.
Yeah, but you know, it's been on the law books to be changed in the last probably six orseven times and keeps getting voted down.
Really?
We can have like, we can have chickens now in the homeowners association?
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It keeps getting voted down.
For good reason.
And rightly so.
Texas is putting it where the HOA can't determine that, but it has not passed.
Someday.
You know, I can hear the roosters in the morning just from the other side of the fence,where it's the other county.
Yeah, but you see here's
Here's the argument for chicken.
that's the other county.
That's a long time.
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Dogs bark and bark and bark and bark and bark and bark all night.
Any hour chickens on the other hand, they they, know, cockadoodledoo in the morning andthat's it.
Only the chickens only do it when you're in the dead of sleep and need another blessedhour before you wake up.
You learn to ignore it.
I guess you would kind of like the subway in the city or any towns at night like thepolice cars.
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You just learn to sleep in the morning and it's done.
Then what good is it?
Isn't that the whole point of a rooster to wake up in the morning back before there werealarm clocks?
I guess.
I don't know.
I guess you train yourself to listen for it instead of to ignore it.
actually be a nice sound to wake up to.
I guess so if you're if you're the farmer lady.
And he helps you have eggs without without the rooster.
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You can't really have the hands laying eggs, as it turns out.
I have a friend who has chickens and I've learned a lot.
At least something's getting laid in that household.
Yeah, I take care of her chickens when she's on vacation.
Yeah, you love doing that.
Yeah, I get her eggs.
Yes, that's right.
We do we get a lot of free eggs around here, which is which is really kind of nice.
She's turning me into a chicken lady.
She's turning you into a chicken.
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Sure.
All right.
So I think we've pretty much covered everything so far.
know, women having dogs, I think guys are up for almost anything if a woman has a dog,except one time a woman had a Rottweiler.
and she had it to be her watchdog, she didn't have a man in the house.
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I nearly died visiting her for the first time.
And even after I learned to get along with the Rottweiler, the Rottweiler had thispenchant for sticking its head between your crotch and going like that full force with its
head.
But only if you're male.
Oh boy, that would be a deal breaker I would think.
And it was a very short dating relationship.
That would be the equivalent.
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I think that would be the equivalent of dating a woman whose kids are just monsters.
Yeah, but even women's kids don't put their heads between your crotch and like move theirneck upwards in a way that will destroy or your family planning in the future.
That is true.
That would be worse.
It's like, lady, look, I can just get a I can just get a vasectomy if you're worried aboutus getting pregnant here.
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I don't have to, know, you don't have to go to such extremes with the dog.
So what animals would a woman have that would probably be a turn off for guys?
Guinea pigs.
Guinea pigs seven cats is guinea pigs are stinky and noisy and you think you when youanything stinky and useless also guys if you have reptiles You may have fewer girlfriends
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Yeah, but the girlfriends you get would be pretty cool.
That's that's that's the upside.
They would be your type of woman I mean whoever has a reptile would be their type lizardlady isn't really on my list of priorities Yeah, there would be a guy who would go boom.
That's awesome.
Yeah, that's my honey
Kind of like the lion tamer chick.
It's a lion tamer guy What about like exotic animals?
(25:17):
Like what if you meet someone and realize?
they got like a pet rhinoceros or they keep antelopes or kangaroo or a chimpanzee aChimpanzee is a deal breaker.
Those things are crazy.
You have to find someone who's a passionate like you like them I dated a zookeeper on afirst date.
Yeah.
Yeah and Her being a zookeeper had nothing to do with the fact that there was no seconddate
(25:42):
I just but I thought it was really interesting to go date a zookeeper and have her tell meabout her job Lots of excrement.
yes.
It's all about cleaning.
Yeah, you think it sounds really cool She goes yeah as soon as you get to pet the peacocksa few times realize what the job really is.
I like being a veterinarian Veterinarian is a terrible job and a sad job often.
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Yeah Yeah, but enough about me um
But know what, reminds me, remember Steve Irwin and his wife?
Well, they were perfect for each other, indeed.
Yes.
So finding someone who has that same passion that you do with animals or the lack ofanimals comes in really handy.
And some people think about this.
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They substitute dogs or animals for children.
They do.
So if you don't want children, dogs are a great supplement to that.
So you find someone who has the same passion.
Here's a great question to kind of
put the finishing touches on this podcast episode.
Because I think if we didn't ask it, people would come at us with, uh, you know, torchesand pitchforks.
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I wonder if you're thinking the same thing.
Yeah.
Well, you brought it up.
Okay.
Okay.
We'll go ahead and bring yours up and see if it's the same thing.
I don't think it is then.
Um, clothes and dressing them up and doing all of these extra things for our animals thataren't animal like.
Yeah.
If you're a guy and you're doing that, don't expect to date women.
Women fine.
Go for it.
Just don't make me pay the bill.
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Boy, that's not what I was gonna ask.
Okay You mentioned people have dogs and cats instead of children.
Yeah are dogs and cats Suitable training grounds to decide whether you're ready to becomea parent or not.
They can be yes because if you have let's say dogs and Let's say the girlfriend or theboyfriend either one wants nothing.
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They don't want to take care of it It's just too much trouble to go pick up its poo.
Yes, or
They forget to feed it or they're just irresponsible in those ways.
Yeah.
You're not ready for parenthood.
They're irritated by it.
like, man, I have to take care of that darn thing again.
Those are good signs that, you know, they're going to feel that way about the children.
You're going to be taking care of them, not the other.
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Yeah.
You know, I think it's actually pretty darn good.
You know, I think they make children, what do they do?
Carry on a balloon.
Orange.
That's not real life, though.
And take care of it like a baby.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's not real life.
An animal is real, real thing.
Yes.
Yeah.
Because there's consequences to it.
That's right.
If you can't take care of cats, you probably can't take care of dogs.
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And if then, if you can't take care of dogs, you're probably not ready to adequatelyparent a human being.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
And maybe that's why guys are so attractive who do great work with dogs, because we cansee them as doing great work with children.
Oh, also.
Guys who are single parents, if they have custody of their kids and the moms can see theminteracting with the children, it's kind of sexy to women, isn't it?
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Yeah.
father is sexy to women.
Yeah.
And that kind of eludes to how he's going to treat us.
It does.
Yeah.
Is he because the animals can't speak for themselves.
They can't say, I need water or I hurt here or I'm not feeling good or I'm down or I'mfeeling happy and exuberant.
I need you to play with me.
Give me some attention.
Kind of like a one year old baby.
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Right.
And so when the guy is intuitive and he's listening to his dog and we always complainabout guys not listening.
But when guys are listening to their animals and they're like, okay, my dog needs someplaytime or my dog's not feeling well.
I think I need to take it to the vet.
I have this, this, the strong gut instinct.
When the dog, the dog with a guy.
Same difference.
When the guy has the need to love and take care and nurture in a manly way, the animals,then we know he can lead and take care of us also.
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It's.
It kind of gives us a glimpse of what life would be like with him.
It's primal.
Yeah, I think that's that's a good word.
And then when women take care of their kitty cat or, you know, they're doing nice thingsand acting all feminine and and doing things that, you know, show that she provides
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hospitality and fun and play and nurturing.
Does that count when we dress them up?
I'm going to plea the fifth on that one.
don't.
As a matter of fact, playing the fifth probably isn't the best way to put it.
I really don't know what to say to that.
I don't think I feel any sort of way towards you dressing the dogs up other than, youknow, you do what women do.
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In other words, you're going to go shoe shopping.
You're going to watch Hallmark Channel at Christmas time and you're going to dress yourdogs up in clothes.
Yeah, that's neither here nor there from a sexual attraction perspective.
But I do like what you said about
Women showing their femininity as they take care of their pets and indeed children theirsingle mom and men showing their masculinity as they provide and protect and take care of
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the pets and take care of the children and indeed when I had full custody of my littledaughter as you well know It made women feel safe and comfortable immediately because no
judge is gonna give full custody of a daughter to a male axe murderer So I'm probablypretty safe, right?
Yeah, I think it all comes full circle.
Yeah, you know
I think you're right about that.
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I would also, I would also consider that when you pick an animal, you know, if you're awoman, make sure it's an animal that would get along with most people who you pick.
And a lot of times we think that animals have an intuition of a good guy versus a bad guy.
The reality, they're only reading whether the guy is scared of them or not.
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Doesn't tell us if the guy's a good guy or a bad guy.
And if you a bad guy,
who just knows how to be calm and chill and relax and the dog will not pick up on it.
Yeah, that's the nature of, that's a big component of dog training.
Yes.
Is your emotional state will be reflected by the dog.
That's true.
Yeah.
So guys, whenever you meet a dog, you have to go lucky.
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Don't go, my God, it's a Rottweiler.
It's going to wreck my ability to be fertile in the future.
Don't think like that and you'll be good.
Yeah.
Otherwise a Rottweiler is not going to like you.
Oof.
Well, I think that about does it for this show.
It's been a good show.
It went in directions I didn't see coming.
It's been fun.
Yeah.
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Let's have some fun.
And tell him to get me another cat.
He's not going to listen.
We did used to have a guinea pig.
We had two and they're gone.
Well one of them she passed away.
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Well the other one was sent for good reason.
Poor guinea pig.
We had her a couple of days that doesn't count.
I think we have um I Don't I think we're remembering this differently But again enoughabout me until we talk to you again real soon on the next episode This is Scot McKay and
this is Emily McKay be good out there and have fun
How's it going everybody?
name is Scot McKay and I'm Emily McKay and we want to welcome you to the first videoversion of the mountaintop podcast Slash X & Y on the Fly that we're doing together as a
team.
All right.
Yeah absolutely.
You know, we do every tenth episode as a video show and this would be the first suchepisode that's video.
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And boy howdy, do we have a topic for you today?
This is gonna be a lot of fun I don't know how it can't be a lot of fun.
I know especially since I came up with it
Yeah, yeah, she came up with the idea for this particular show dating relationships andpets.
Yes, namely dogs and cats.
And guinea pigs and mice and rats and ball pythons.
Sheep, chickens.
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Sheeps, plural for sure.
um I actually did.
had a woman come to my house.
She said, can I bring my small pet with me?
I was like, you know, I'm open-minded.
I got nothing to lose.
She brings her snake with her.
God.
A python.
It was just a little dude, but I mean, you know, she was the snake lady up front.
Won't be little for long.
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Yeah.
Well, yeah.
Right.
Exactly.
Kind of exotic.
I mean, I thought it was actually kind of cool and sexy.
I didn't really have an opinion on it either way.
Did you pet it?
Oh, I held it and let it squeeze my neck almost to exhaustion and all that good stuff.
All that for kiss.
Well, I'm not even sure that came out of it, but she did get a free dinner out of it,which was helpful.
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But yeah.
I don't think that is what we're mostly talking about.
Nah.
But I do think guinea pigs are a relationship killer.
Yes, absolutely.
They're just worthless.
Oh, no, they're cute.
They're adorable.
But they're stinky and they're scared and they're like cats and people in Peru thinkthey're delicious.
Well, I haven't tried them.
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Yes.
They call them cui, right?
Yeah.
We we don't eat them here and we shouldn't have them as pets here either.
Basically, we shouldn't have them in the United States of America at all.
According to you.
According to me.
What say you?
I brought a pet once I brought a guinea pig into this house once remember This is whereI'm drawing my influential opinion from This is where I'm coming up with this stuff.
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household needs a guinea pig.
think every household should get rid of any guinea pig Especially ones that are antisocialand get scared easily and bite your fingers off if you try to take them out of the cage
We're just ruining its life in your own, right?
Well, let's see...we need guinea pigs chickens hamsters
Now the chicken lady on a date I mean if this is like Farmers Only.com and you're braggingabout your chickens and your tractor and stuff on your online profile Maybe although I
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think online dating in general is pretty much dead But the chicken lady is there any roomfor that in suburbia?
Usually not I mean most of these HOAs don't allow us to have chickens, so it would be adeal deal breaker for some people
Well, it would, you know, you have to break a few deals to make an omelet.
Or compromise.
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Well, you don't see where I'm going with that.
OK, there's a lot of free eggs.
you're a guy who likes his breakfast and likes eggs in general, dating a woman who's gotsome chickens might have some appeal.
Yeah, but see, then you have to make the chicken coop.
know she has to come pretty quick with the chicken coop.
No hammers, no nails, not not on my property.
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NIMBY, baby, not in my backyard.
No, that would be the guys make the chicken coop.
They set up the fence.
There's a lot of work for you guys when we, when we, when, you have a farmer's wife.
Yeah.
Well, that would indicate that I'm a farmer if he's my wife.
Half half city girl, half farmer girl.
Well, I mean, I'm not going to cheat on some farmer's wife.
You know, I'm not going to cheat with that woman.
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Those farmers have big implements to come at me with.
That's true.
Usually shotguns too.
oh It could be that.
Especially in Texas.
Yeah.
So enough about chicken women.
I don't think that's really where we're going with this anyway.
Especially dogs and cats.
That's probably most common.
I'm going to throw the quiet part out on the table out loud.
You have been on record for years and years and years that you think uh men who have catsare, well, for lack of better word, pussies.
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Yeah, I am on record for that.
Yeah, will you elaborate on that a little bit?
Well, it has been my experience with the guys that I dated prior to meeting you.
I don't have any cats, by the way.
But the profiles that I met and the guys that I had met the guys who were like totally catdudes Zero dogs.
I mean they were like anti dog totally fat right where you know, they were just Not mything.
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They weren't your thing I've heard other women say the same thing like dudes who love catsor something wrong with those guys.
Yeah, they seem I don't know they just seem different different different
And the ones I had met some of them were very feminine.
Oh, okay.
You know, we have a cat now in this house Was that your thinly veiled attempt to feminizeme somehow by making me live with a cat or where are going with this?
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So let's talk about cat ladies I Mean if a woman has one cat, I think that's pretty cool.
If she has six or eight cats, that's a red flag You're not gonna get cat number two, butthat's a different podcast for a different occasion
Cat women in general, if a woman is bragging on a first date about how she has six oreight or 10 cats and just can't stop herself from adopting another poor little cat lest it
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get euthanized, I believe personally most men are gonna run away from that.
Run away, yes.
Big What do you think?
Do think you should run away?
I would think so.
I would run away.
I mean, those things are expensive.
And the upkeep and trying to keep the problem is the sanitary part of it is hard to keepthings clean Yeah, when you have more animals than you can handle Yeah, that's a that's a
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lot of litter boxes to clean up and I don't know how you know She'd better be reallyefficient now if I loved her enough if she was amazing enough in so many ways that I Could
look past the six cats like you look past my two dogs your two hairless terriers
All right, we're going to talk about dogs in a second.
So I don't want to get ahead of myself.
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But let's just say my first impression of the male dog Cosmo was it rushed up to my footat record speed and peed on my shoe.
He was just saying he loved you.
Well, that's a that's a that's a strange way to tell me you love me to coin the wholesong.
He was making you his property.
He's marking his territory.
yeah.
I think he's a little jealous maybe of you.
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That's what I think was going on there.
Well, I'll tell you what.
uh I think as far as cats go, it's okay if women have cats.
It's okay if they say cute little things when they're playing with their cats.
That can be kind of sexy.
I like watching women play with their cats.
Which shows the nurturing side and men love that.
Yes, right.
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Because you break out the baby talk thing, but we don't want you to break it out with usjust with your cat.
And that's like where that's going.
But we as men, I kind of can see your point about
Men with cats kind of being on the feminine side.
I know some guys who are pretty macho and pretty masculine who happen to have a cat.
But those cats are masculine.
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Yes.
There's some that's like tomboy cats.
mean, right.
You know, they're so dog-like, even though they're a cat.
Well, I can give you a case in point.
When I was living in Yuma with a bunch of roommates, probably the most macho alpha guy inthe house, know, ex-Marine guy, had a cat.
But it was a black cat, right?
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And it was a street fighter.
It was, you know, it wasn't a, it wasn't neutered.
know, junk was intact and he let it out at night and you could hear it out there going upagainst other cats and had like half of its ear torn off.
And I mean, that was an acceptable cat for a male humanoid to have.
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Yes.
To some degree.
That would be acceptable.
That's not the same as, know, a guy taking the cat and he loves it so much.
He treats it like a baby and
Nurtures it baby talks it and just Cuddles it right that becomes a vehicle for him toexpress his feminine side is what that And that's what I've encountered.
Yes, I can completely see that So now we're gonna get to the part that we've all wanted totalk about and that's dogs Okay now gentlemen if you have a dog and it is well
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an acceptable breed that makes you look masculine.
Like throwing frisbees?
Oh, yeah, like a frisbee throwing dog, perhaps a whippet like we have.
Although I never recommend whippets to the garden variety humanoid out there, because it'skind of like dating an aerobics instructor.
No matter how good you are, they're better.
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Too athletic, too fast, too slick.
They can literally jump over the back of the couch, grab your sandwich while you'rewatching TV.
And you won't even know what happened until you look down.
mean, that's how fast they are.
Lots of training, lots of attention, lots of running.
You know, men can have a Dalmatian and put a little red bandana around its neck and takeit to the dog park and, you know, let all the women come and go, Oh my goodness, how cute.
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It's like a good peacocking prop.
A good chick magnet.
Yes.
It's a good chick magnet.
Yes.
What say you about all that?
I love a guy who has a dog.
I think it's very, for the lack of a better word, it's hot.
Because you get to see him lead and take care of this animal and that you know he knowshow to take care of things, how to look after them and protect them, and especially one
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with a well-trained dog.
Even if it's a toy, Chowinny, or a teacup Yorkie.
I didn't think about that.
That falls under the category of cats.
Right, well, we don't want that.
No, there's some dogs that...
are more cat like than they are dogs.
You know, I'm thinking about the old Batman episodes.
um There's a cat woman, not a cat boy.
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True.
But there is a dog boy cartoon that just came out.
Yeah.
See, that's a masculine feminine thing.
Men are men are dogs.
Women are cats.
That's the oldest analogy in the world.
I think that's because whenever we tell a woman to come here, kitty, kitty, kitty, theykind of go like this.
They just kind of blink their eyes, turn their head slowly and walk in the otherdirection.
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That's what women do.
where dogs will love you no matter what and they have their tongue hanging out ready foranything.
Right?
Right.
So more on dogs and pets as you get into relationship.
Let's say man has the right kind of dog, chick has a cat.
Now they want to get into a relationship, but dogs don't get along well with cats.
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Now what?
That's when you have to decide what your standards and boundaries are.
Oh boy.
Because I know I had my two dogs and it was, they came with
package and then you had to decide you're not a dog person you had to decide whetheryou're going to take on that kind of package you know how much of that trouble can you
take because Cosmo he was a little neurotic I would say.
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little?
Just a little.
You know if a dog chasing its tail until it falls down is neurotic I think.
He needed training.
Well no he was next level from that he was pretty crazy I remember one time he got his
He got his leg caught in the leash when he was walking.
So even when he wasn't on a leash, he acted like his leg was caught in the leash when hewas hobbling around the house.
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Yeah.
The dog didn't have a bad leg.
He just trained himself to believe his leg was perpetually caught in a leash.
Well, it kept perpetually stepping on that leash to the point where he just kept that legup.
Yeah, exactly.
Kind of like that guy in India who's had his arm raised for 50 years and has never droppedit.
He went where his arm withered.
I'm surprised that um Cosmo still had a right rear leg.
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After all of that.
Well, you took on the package and then they have passed it.
Now we got two more at this time.
There's a bad joke in there somewhere that I'll say for another time faster and requiremore training than the Red Terriers did.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Although, you know, let's say the doubt that the dad has a we talked, we haven't talkedabout blended families yet.
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We need to do that too.
That's going to be a challenge.
Yeah.
But let's say
Let's say the guy has a German shepherd and you have a little kitten that might not wantto move in together.
Just get going to resolve that thing.
Somebody the likelihood is one of them is going to have to go.
Yeah, I think so.
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German shepherds and kittens, you know, dogs and cats living together isn't isn'tliterally a thing or hire a professional uh modifier or not a modifier, but a modification
dog trainer who will.
turn the dog into a cat.
Yeah, something like that.
like that.
But even then, that's extremely expensive and no guarantee.
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It sounds expensive.
I mean, the dog is an entity.
It may or may not respond to even the best of training.
What other breeds are good for men to have?
Yeah, so we're looking at golden, golden lab.
uh Labs, of course.
uh German Shepherd, my gosh, those are awesome dogs.
Especially if he was like a copper marine.
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And he adopted his service dog.
Yeah, yeah, that'd be hot.
Very hot.
But those are working dogs.
And unless you have four or five hours a day to volunteer to exercise, play with it, justhave it totally in your life, it's going to be rambunctious and so much of a headache for
you and the girlfriend or boyfriend.
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Yeah.
That it actually could tear a relationship apart.
Well, yeah, let's say that there's too much attention given to the pets.
and not enough to your honey.
Jealousy.
I've seen the dogs get jealous.
I would argue your female American hairless terrier was jealous for its entire life.
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I doubt that.
You doubt that.
What do you think was going on?
I don't know.
She loved me.
I was her person.
Yeah, I think the attention you were giving to me, she would have rather have had it.
She got so much attention in her last years, the last couple of years.
She'd wake up in the middle of the night a few times, eating, you know, differentservices.
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She was an elderly dog.
And each time I would put her back into bed and have her her in, take a little blanket andI would hug her, kiss her, say good night, hop back into bed.
And I would do this several times a night.
And I remember one time I tucked her in and said good night because I never knew when mylast day with her was.
was like four years of palliative care, basically.
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K-9 version.
And I hopped into bed, I rolled over, you said...
I you love that dog more than me.
It took me that long to come to the conclusion because well, frankly, I'm not all thatsmart.
And that's how long it took me to do that.
But yeah, that the dogs in this house rule the household.
We spend a whole lot of time around the dogs and cats in this.
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We do.
They're they're all puppies and kittens right now and probably another year or two fromnow.
They're going to settle down.
But the first few years.
Whoa.
It is something else.
Money, time, effort.
Yes.
Emotions.
Lots of effort.
You know, stuff goes undone because the dogs need to be attended.
That's absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So when you're blending a family and let's say you have a little daughter, your dad, andyou have little daughter and she goes, but daddy, she's a keeper because she's got such
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cute kittens.
She's got like six or eight kittens.
Can we just go hang out with her?
Can you can you marry her?
Because I like all our kittens.
That's going to be a thing, isn't it?
The kids are going to like choosing.
You know who you're dating based on the animals.
Yeah.
Worse.
Worse.
That just reminded me of a more serious situation.
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Let's say you have a toddler or a child that's young and you start dating a guy or a girland they have a more dominant breed.
Oh boy.
a Petty, German Shepherds.
know the bigger dogs that require a Pit Bull.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, I thought she said Petty.
Like they have
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Some dog named after Tom Petty, it's a real heartbreaker or something.
A pit bull.
The bull terriers, know, the more stout, strong dogs that really need a lot uh of exercisethat need outlets and without it they can get, you know, unexpected.
Aggressive?
Yeah.
And so it could be a safety issue with the children.
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So those are things to consider when you have children and you're blending somebody elsein your relationship with your children, their animals with your children.
I was anxious to say you could see me wanting to say something instead of just relaxingand listening to you.
Yeah.
At that point, we're going to have to decide whether the pity or the toddler has to go.
That could be a tough decision.
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Not really.
You could just feed the toddler to the pity and give it over with.
Oh, it's awful.
Of course it's awful, but it's funny.
It is.
But yeah, that's when the pity has to go or the person that you are interested in.
You have to make
You have to think about these before you go into the relationship.
You do, don't you?
fall in love, because you don't want to backpedal and make excuses.
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We're going to just do extra training.
We're going to, you know, dream of all this wonderful stuff we're going to do with theanimal and not realizing that none of that's possible.
And both the animals, the children and the relationship suffers all in one.
Reality has to be there first.
And learning to know what your limits are before you go out dating and knowing what the
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writing that as a deal breaker, knowing where those limits lie.
Not until you not only get past the first few dates and decide whether the two of you likeeach other and have something in common and there's no deal breakers, but you have to
actually start.
spending time in each other's living spaces and getting to know these animals and saying,hey, is this all going to come together or is it going to end in a big uh mess, a big
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fracas?
Right.
Especially one who takes on lots of animals and it becomes overwhelming.
There's families who have 10, 8 dogs and other animals and it becomes very loud and it canuh be difficult on some people's nerves.
It's like the family I know where every time I go to their house, she's stroking a duck ora rat or a goose and the husband just looks long suffering like, you know, like it's like
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the old Jewish man.
What are you going to do?
You know, because you're not taking her blessed duck wrapped in a towel that she'scoddling away from.
That's really amazing to me.
know, interestingly enough, I don't know a whole lot of women with a whole lot of animals.
who are single and have any prospects for anything in the future other than being single.
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I don't know if they're attracting a whole lot of guys like that.
Well, I think they could.
mean, there's guys out there who feel just as determined to have lots of animals as womenare.
I believe they're out there.
I've met people like that, the men and the women, who love animals and the more themerrier.
And when you find an animal lover who is, you know,
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The problem with finding someone who's like that, who just can't stay no to bringing inmore animals is if you have two people that way, they might go in over their heads and
have too many animals.
mean, there is that.
But at least they'll be happy together.
The nice thing is you set limits for me because I would bring in more.
Every time I step foot in a pet store or see animals on Facebook or whatever, I'm like,oh, cute.
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I want a hamster.
Oh my gosh, I need fish.
I need a fish tank.
Or I'm like, oh, that hamster has to come home or the guinea pig has to come home.
Or I know I think I want rabbit.
I would have so many animals and I would be so overwhelmed.
would burn out.
So the hamsters as they die.
So you tell me no, you know, because you know, have limits.
(20:14):
The one place we have boundaries in this relationship is when it comes to her and morepets.
Everything else seems to go.
But I'm kidding.
But boy, especially in pets, because it's a very.
It's a very objective reality.
I am about to bring home another cat.
Oh, the hell you are.
You're not bringing home another cat.
She's not going to bring home another cat.
Look, we got a male whippet.
(20:36):
Look, folks.
All right.
If you're watching, I'm looking in the camera.
If you're listening, just listen for a sec.
We have a male whippet who would like to have the cat for dinner.
So we have to hide the cat from the male whippet in this house.
And no, we do not live in like the Playboy Mansion.
OK.
We live in a normal house.
(20:56):
Mama here said, it'll just take at most 90 days to acclimate.
Six months.
Well, she's, you know, it's a sliding scale.
The goal posts are being moved here.
It'll take 90 days to get this dog acclimated to the cat so they'll all get along.
It has been a year.
No, we got the cat in November.
(21:17):
it's been, it feels like five years.
It's been a long time.
They're doing better.
We're actually making progress.
Yeah.
Well that whip it still wants a piece of that cat.
Well now they can look at each other not attack each other.
They're actually calming down both of them.
As long as there's like chicken wire between them they can do that.
We're making progress.
Another year from now we'll be together.
Not that we actually do have chicken wire.
(21:38):
I was being facetious because that would mean we had chickens and we certainly do not havechickens.
That was that was a boundary I said a long time ago.
That's our next call.
No I think the
Homeowners Association made that call.
Yeah, but you know, it's been on the law books to be changed in the last probably six orseven times and keeps getting voted down.
Really?
We can have like, we can have chickens now in the homeowners association?
(22:00):
It keeps getting voted down.
For good reason.
And rightly so.
Texas is putting it where the HOA can't determine that, but it has not passed.
Someday.
You know, I can hear the roosters in the morning just from the other side of the fence,where it's the other county.
Yeah, but you see here's
Here's the argument for chicken.
that's the other county.
That's a long time.
(22:20):
Dogs bark and bark and bark and bark and bark and bark all night.
Any hour chickens on the other hand, they they, know, cockadoodledoo in the morning andthat's it.
Only the chickens only do it when you're in the dead of sleep and need another blessedhour before you wake up.
You learn to ignore it.
I guess you would kind of like the subway in the city or any towns at night like thepolice cars.
(22:44):
You just learn to sleep in the morning and it's done.
Then what good is it?
Isn't that the whole point of a rooster to wake up in the morning back before there werealarm clocks?
I guess.
I don't know.
I guess you train yourself to listen for it instead of to ignore it.
actually be a nice sound to wake up to.
I guess so if you're if you're the farmer lady.
And he helps you have eggs without without the rooster.
(23:05):
You can't really have the hands laying eggs, as it turns out.
I have a friend who has chickens and I've learned a lot.
At least something's getting laid in that household.
Yeah, I take care of her chickens when she's on vacation.
Yeah, you love doing that.
Yeah, I get her eggs.
Yes, that's right.
We do we get a lot of free eggs around here, which is which is really kind of nice.
She's turning me into a chicken lady.
She's turning you into a chicken.
(23:25):
Sure.
All right.
So I think we've pretty much covered everything so far.
know, women having dogs, I think guys are up for almost anything if a woman has a dog,except one time a woman had a Rottweiler.
and she had it to be her watchdog, she didn't have a man in the house.
(23:47):
I nearly died visiting her for the first time.
And even after I learned to get along with the Rottweiler, the Rottweiler had thispenchant for sticking its head between your crotch and going like that full force with its
head.
But only if you're male.
Oh boy, that would be a deal breaker I would think.
And it was a very short dating relationship.
That would be the equivalent.
(24:08):
I think that would be the equivalent of dating a woman whose kids are just monsters.
Yeah, but even women's kids don't put their heads between your crotch and like move theirneck upwards in a way that will destroy or your family planning in the future.
That is true.
That would be worse.
It's like, lady, look, I can just get a I can just get a vasectomy if you're worried aboutus getting pregnant here.
(24:32):
I don't have to, know, you don't have to go to such extremes with the dog.
So what animals would a woman have that would probably be a turn off for guys?
Guinea pigs.
Guinea pigs seven cats is guinea pigs are stinky and noisy and you think you when youanything stinky and useless also guys if you have reptiles You may have fewer girlfriends
(24:54):
Yeah, but the girlfriends you get would be pretty cool.
That's that's that's the upside.
They would be your type of woman I mean whoever has a reptile would be their type lizardlady isn't really on my list of priorities Yeah, there would be a guy who would go boom.
That's awesome.
Yeah, that's my honey
Kind of like the lion tamer chick.
It's a lion tamer guy What about like exotic animals?
(25:17):
Like what if you meet someone and realize?
they got like a pet rhinoceros or they keep antelopes or kangaroo or a chimpanzee aChimpanzee is a deal breaker.
Those things are crazy.
You have to find someone who's a passionate like you like them I dated a zookeeper on afirst date.
Yeah.
Yeah and Her being a zookeeper had nothing to do with the fact that there was no seconddate
(25:42):
I just but I thought it was really interesting to go date a zookeeper and have her tell meabout her job Lots of excrement.
yes.
It's all about cleaning.
Yeah, you think it sounds really cool She goes yeah as soon as you get to pet the peacocksa few times realize what the job really is.
I like being a veterinarian Veterinarian is a terrible job and a sad job often.
(26:04):
Yeah Yeah, but enough about me um
But know what, reminds me, remember Steve Irwin and his wife?
Well, they were perfect for each other, indeed.
Yes.
So finding someone who has that same passion that you do with animals or the lack ofanimals comes in really handy.
And some people think about this.
(26:25):
They substitute dogs or animals for children.
They do.
So if you don't want children, dogs are a great supplement to that.
So you find someone who has the same passion.
Here's a great question to kind of
put the finishing touches on this podcast episode.
Because I think if we didn't ask it, people would come at us with, uh, you know, torchesand pitchforks.
(26:47):
I wonder if you're thinking the same thing.
Yeah.
Well, you brought it up.
Okay.
Okay.
We'll go ahead and bring yours up and see if it's the same thing.
I don't think it is then.
Um, clothes and dressing them up and doing all of these extra things for our animals thataren't animal like.
Yeah.
If you're a guy and you're doing that, don't expect to date women.
Women fine.
Go for it.
Just don't make me pay the bill.
(27:07):
Boy, that's not what I was gonna ask.
Okay You mentioned people have dogs and cats instead of children.
Yeah are dogs and cats Suitable training grounds to decide whether you're ready to becomea parent or not.
They can be yes because if you have let's say dogs and Let's say the girlfriend or theboyfriend either one wants nothing.
(27:29):
They don't want to take care of it It's just too much trouble to go pick up its poo.
Yes, or
They forget to feed it or they're just irresponsible in those ways.
Yeah.
You're not ready for parenthood.
They're irritated by it.
like, man, I have to take care of that darn thing again.
Those are good signs that, you know, they're going to feel that way about the children.
You're going to be taking care of them, not the other.
(27:50):
Yeah.
You know, I think it's actually pretty darn good.
You know, I think they make children, what do they do?
Carry on a balloon.
Orange.
That's not real life, though.
And take care of it like a baby.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's not real life.
An animal is real, real thing.
Yes.
Yeah.
Because there's consequences to it.
That's right.
If you can't take care of cats, you probably can't take care of dogs.
(28:13):
And if then, if you can't take care of dogs, you're probably not ready to adequatelyparent a human being.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
And maybe that's why guys are so attractive who do great work with dogs, because we cansee them as doing great work with children.
Oh, also.
Guys who are single parents, if they have custody of their kids and the moms can see theminteracting with the children, it's kind of sexy to women, isn't it?
(28:37):
Yeah.
father is sexy to women.
Yeah.
And that kind of eludes to how he's going to treat us.
It does.
Yeah.
Is he because the animals can't speak for themselves.
They can't say, I need water or I hurt here or I'm not feeling good or I'm down or I'mfeeling happy and exuberant.
I need you to play with me.
Give me some attention.
Kind of like a one year old baby.
(28:58):
Right.
And so when the guy is intuitive and he's listening to his dog and we always complainabout guys not listening.
But when guys are listening to their animals and they're like, okay, my dog needs someplaytime or my dog's not feeling well.
I think I need to take it to the vet.
I have this, this, the strong gut instinct.
When the dog, the dog with a guy.
Same difference.
When the guy has the need to love and take care and nurture in a manly way, the animals,then we know he can lead and take care of us also.
(29:27):
It's.
It kind of gives us a glimpse of what life would be like with him.
It's primal.
Yeah, I think that's that's a good word.
And then when women take care of their kitty cat or, you know, they're doing nice thingsand acting all feminine and and doing things that, you know, show that she provides
(29:49):
hospitality and fun and play and nurturing.
Does that count when we dress them up?
I'm going to plea the fifth on that one.
don't.
As a matter of fact, playing the fifth probably isn't the best way to put it.
I really don't know what to say to that.
I don't think I feel any sort of way towards you dressing the dogs up other than, youknow, you do what women do.
(30:13):
In other words, you're going to go shoe shopping.
You're going to watch Hallmark Channel at Christmas time and you're going to dress yourdogs up in clothes.
Yeah, that's neither here nor there from a sexual attraction perspective.
But I do like what you said about
Women showing their femininity as they take care of their pets and indeed children theirsingle mom and men showing their masculinity as they provide and protect and take care of
(30:37):
the pets and take care of the children and indeed when I had full custody of my littledaughter as you well know It made women feel safe and comfortable immediately because no
judge is gonna give full custody of a daughter to a male axe murderer So I'm probablypretty safe, right?
Yeah, I think it all comes full circle.
Yeah, you know
I think you're right about that.
(30:58):
I would also, I would also consider that when you pick an animal, you know, if you're awoman, make sure it's an animal that would get along with most people who you pick.
And a lot of times we think that animals have an intuition of a good guy versus a bad guy.
The reality, they're only reading whether the guy is scared of them or not.
(31:20):
Doesn't tell us if the guy's a good guy or a bad guy.
And if you a bad guy,
who just knows how to be calm and chill and relax and the dog will not pick up on it.
Yeah, that's the nature of, that's a big component of dog training.
Yes.
Is your emotional state will be reflected by the dog.
That's true.
Yeah.
So guys, whenever you meet a dog, you have to go lucky.
(31:41):
Don't go, my God, it's a Rottweiler.
It's going to wreck my ability to be fertile in the future.
Don't think like that and you'll be good.
Yeah.
Otherwise a Rottweiler is not going to like you.
Oof.
Well, I think that about does it for this show.
It's been a good show.
It went in directions I didn't see coming.
It's been fun.
Yeah.
And if you're listening to this feed on the Mountaintop podcast, go tomountaintoppodcast.com.
(32:03):
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It'll be the dogs and all maybe even not with any pigs But maybe even if she has cats andif you're listening to this on the X and Y on the fly feed Which you will be listening to
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(32:48):
Yeah.
Sincerely.
Download the free book and either way we'd love to hear your feedback on the podcast andsuggest some topics.
Let's have some fun.
And tell him to get me another cat.
He's not going to listen.
We did used to have a guinea pig.
We had two and they're gone.
Well one of them she passed away.
(33:10):
Well the other one was sent for good reason.
Poor guinea pig.
We had her a couple of days that doesn't count.
I think we have um I Don't I think we're remembering this differently But again enoughabout me until we talk to you again real soon on the next episode This is Scot McKay and
this is Emily McKay be good out there and have fun
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