May 7, 2025 • 24 mins
How can community transform your life and success? Discover the profound impact of building meaningful connections in this quick-hit episode of the Overlap Podcast. Hosts Sid and Keith dive into the intersections of work, fitness, faith, and leadership, exploring how community fuels personal growth and enriches every aspect of life. From shared suffering to diverse friend groups, learn why prioritizing community is a game-changer for your happiness and success.
What You Will Learn
- Why community is a critical driver of personal and professional success
- How shared experiences accelerate friendships and growth
- Practical ways to find and build diverse communities that enrich your life
Key Topics Discussed
- The role of community in overcoming isolation and fostering joy
- How shared suffering, like jiu-jitsu or business peer groups, builds deep bonds
- The value of diverse friend groups, including faith-based and professional communities
- Why prioritizing community over screen time can transform your life
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Keith (00:00):
Having friends that don't just pat me on the back all the time has
made me, our friend group has mademe a better human all the way around.
Yeah.
Sid (00:18):
Welcome everybody to another episode of the Overlap podcast.
A quick hit by the way, and even in thequick hits, we dive into the intersections
of work, fitness, family, faith,parenting, and leadership, with the idea
that growth in one area of your lifefuels growth in all areas of your life.
Um, we, we do these quick hitswhere they're quick ideas,
quick moments of inspiration.
(00:40):
That you can kind of digest on thedrive to or from work or to your next
appointment, something like that.
But we don't dive in foran hour, hour and a half.
It's more like 15, 20 minutes or reallyhowever long we kind of break 'em out for.
But we, we have lists of topics that weend up thinking might not take, you know?
(01:03):
The full hour or so.
However,
Keith (01:05):
a quick hit has definitely turned into an hour before
Sid (01:09):
because we like to talk about things, I guess.
Uh, good thing we got a podcast.
Hey, speaking of that,thanks for listening.
Um, so quick hit today is really based on.
Um, something that Keith brought tomy attention and I think it might even
have been a year ago, but I've actuallythought about it a lot since then.
Keith (01:30):
Um, Sid, I'm profound pretty much all the time.
If you would just listen.
Sid (01:36):
I'm moving on from there.
I'm moving on, movingon because I'm, I mean,
Keith (01:40):
I say a lot of profound shit.
Sid (01:42):
You maybe, and maybe I just don't listen.
Maybe I just don't listen.
Maybe it's just me.
Maybe it's just me.
Uh, but there's just so muchbullshit like hidden in there
that it's hard to decipher.
I guess today what I wantedto talk about is, is we were.
(02:03):
Leaving Juujitsu and I think it wasa night class, which was different
for us and rare for me to be at.
Yeah.
Rare for me too.
Um, I was at one last night, by theway, but, um, but it was, it was rare.
And there was a guy that wasvisiting from another gym.
He had been at our, at our academy for.
I don't know, three orfour weeks at that point.
(02:26):
And, and I think you had talked tohim a little bit and he was talking
about his experience at this other,uh, gym that I didn't even know
was a Juujitsu gym in our area.
Uh, turns out it wasn't reallymuch of one, and he found our
gym And, and you said this, thatI don't think that we realize.
(02:46):
What we have here.
And I thought, oh, okay.
That's just, you know, 'cause we'vegot, you know, great professors and,
uh, we've got some, uh, great training.
Uh, the facilities are pretty nice.
Um, yet they're showers.
So you can shower right thereand kind of go on about your day
or, or not be sticky and grossdriving home or, or, or whatever.
(03:11):
Right.
And turns out that's notwhat you were talking about.
You were talking about.
The fact that we have this kindof community within Juujitsu
amongst other things too.
And it got me thinking about all of them.
So tell me about your, your conversationwith that guy and why you said that.
Keith (03:32):
I believe that one of the things that's missing in society
today, and that is the biggestthing in my life that gives me.
The most joy is the communitiesin which I find myself in.
Sid (03:48):
Yeah,
Keith (03:49):
yeah.
And you know, I, I work at thechurch some, so I get to talk to
a lot of people that are, which is
Sid (03:56):
still shocking.
That
Keith (03:57):
is struggling.
Yeah.
And they even let me talk sometimes.
Oh yeah.
Just baffled.
Um, what should I. You
Sid (04:07):
should listen to me more.
I, I don't know.
I don't know.
I did for a little while and thenit got me, it got me nowhere.
But go ahead.
Keith (04:15):
Go ahead.
And so, community is thebest thing in my life.
Sid (04:23):
Yeah.
Keith (04:24):
Like, and I, I'll probably get a little emotional about it.
There you go.
Yeah.
Because I really think that, youknow, that el adage, you know,
you become what you hang around.
Oh yeah.
What I see a lot right now is thatpeople don't have good community.
Sid (04:43):
It's pervasive.
Yeah.
Once you mentioned it, Istarted seeing it everywhere.
It really did open my eyes that,um, number one, we're blessed.
Uh, and, and I don't know, or we just, um.
I, I, I, uh, you know,I, I just got lucky.
Uh, we have a CrossFit gym witha community there that is built
(05:07):
around kind of people pushingthemselves to become better.
There's a little bit of fun competition,you know, but everyone is kind of
overcoming little obstacles and fearsand, and, uh, and, and getting better.
It's fantastic.
Like it enriches my life and I don'tknow that I ever thought about it.
(05:29):
I
Keith (05:29):
mean, we even do pullups as a community.
Sid (05:31):
Oh, I know.
We should probably postthat in this episode.
We should, uh, yeah.
Weighted pullups and someone justholding onto you're back while
you're trying to do a pull up.
Um, I'm probably somewherearound 12 of Correct.
Feel like that strict pullups feellike, I feel like that's hyperbole.
I don't know that you can do 12.
I'm gonna bet you a hundred dollars
Keith (05:53):
that I can't do 12.
Strict Can 12
Sid (05:55):
strict get your chin over the bar?
Keith (05:57):
Yes, I can do 12.
All right.
That's on.
It's on, it's on.
You can video.
It's and we will post it on social media.
Oh my
Sid (06:03):
God.
It's on, I'm actually,
Keith (06:06):
he's just jealous right now 'cause he can't do 12
'cause he is got a gimp arm.
Sid (06:10):
Oh, my, my arm is, is on its way back.
I had, I had, uh, shoulder surgery.
I think I did eight Tuesday or Wednesday.
Strict pull-ups.
I, I don't think it was weighted.
Keith (06:23):
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Back to the community.
Yep.
I do think that I took thatfor granted until you mentioned
that, that my life is enriched.
(07:53):
Uh, you even mentioned, um, our littlegroup text, you know, uh, that, and I
don't know that I thought about that.
'cause I thought I roll around inlife thinking that other people
live their life like we do.
And they don't.
And I started seeing thatafter you mentioned it.
And that's where I do think parents getso involved in their kids because they
(08:18):
don't have their own community, they don'thave their own little lives, and they get
too wrapped up in what their kid, whattheir kids are doing, and who they're
hanging out and what they're doing.
And did they.
Did they score 10 pointsin the basketball game?
Oh, you're fixing
Keith (08:32):
to get on one of my step boxes.
Yeah.
And, and
Sid (08:34):
they've got personalized training for all of their stuff and one-on-one
coaching and all this other stuff whereman, and, and the parents probably aren't
going on date nights and they're nottaking trips with their friends and, and
including their family and all that stuff.
And, um, you know why, you know
Keith (08:55):
how to build community.
How's that?
You have to make time for it.
I know.
And you gotta realize that it'simportant, like friendships take time.
Yeah.
The you, the, the reason that you andI are friends is because we take time.
Sid (09:10):
Yeah.
I do think this, I do think you can,um, I do think you can accelerate
it through shared suffering.
Definitely so shared suffering is,especially for men, I think I, I
know, and that sounds so lame comingoutta my mouth, but I think that's
the, that's like the critical driver.
'cause I, man, I've given it somethought once you said it and I was
(09:33):
like, how are we such good friends?
Oh, we do tough shit togetherall the time, I think.
And then all we do is give each othera hard time about it, and then we do
it again the next day or the next week.
Keith (09:46):
I think the secret is you must try to break each other's arm.
I don't know about that,
Sid (09:53):
but yeah, let's take shared suffering and let's take it in a non-physical way.
Um, 'cause we were talking about how doyou get into communities and one of them
that I was in, and I talk about it onthis podcast all the time, man, it was.
Life altering was getting into a businesspeer group of other landscapers and
(10:13):
non-competing markets and, um, reallygetting personal and vulnerable about
our businesses, uh, about our, um.
You, you, you know about our successesand mainly our failures and learning
from each other, visiting each other'sbusinesses, knowing each other's families.
(10:34):
Um, Clint Allison is on my willtoday, right now if I were to die.
He shows up, my wife knows exactlywho to call and who to talk to
about unwinding that business andwhat to do with it or, or whatever.
Um, in peer groups.
In the business world,I think is fantastic.
(10:56):
Uh, some are better than others,and I just got lucky in that one.
But you could find, and I, I left that oneand found another one that was super good,
but it wasn't as close and as personal.
Um, I, I think that's another wayand shared suffering is kind of
how each other get through it.
Like, I mean, you, uh, you, you've seenClint and Chad Warwick, those guys,
(11:16):
like, I mean like we love each other.
Keith (11:18):
Dude, I told you that.
And we've gone broke together.
Dude, I've told you when I came backfrom getting to hang out with, you know,
your little clique, um, I was blown away.
Yeah.
Like that.
Y'all had this
20 year relationship.
Yeah, man.
Like that was so cool.
(11:38):
It's crazy.
Sid (11:39):
It's crazy.
Keith (11:40):
And, and I, I take it for granted, but Syd, if there's one thing that I see.
You do as you pursue it?
I do.
Most people don't.
Sid (11:51):
Well, I grew up playing soccer.
I was always on a team and I love it.
You know, it like it gave meaccess to, I don't know, people and
feedback and I feed off of that.
Well, I think our last episode wewere talking about our 80 20 and
I, I have recognized that prettyearly on that that's kind of
what I am as like a team builder.
Keith (12:12):
I also think in.
Culture today, we've been fed thislie that we don't need people.
Sid (12:19):
Uh, well, I maybe I've, maybe I've been deaf to that.
Maybe I've been deaf to your, uh,your poignant comments and also
deaf to We don't need people.
Yeah.
Because I don't know that I hear that.
And I, and if I did hear it, Iwould say, well, that's stupid.
Well, think about it.
You need, without people,I get nothing done.
And without people, I don't
Keith (12:37):
have really any joy.
Yeah.
Society tells us, youknow, it's all about you.
I don't know.
It's all, it's all about you.
You're saying that and I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know that I hear that.
Watch social media.
Sid (12:50):
Okay.
Yeah, I do.
Maybe my algorithm's different,but think about this.
If you climbed a mountain andyou didn't have anyone there
with you, would that be any fun?
If you went and won a Juujitsutournament by yourself and you were
the only one there've done that,would that be any fun I've done?
No.
Keith (13:07):
Scott was there with you.
No, no.
Well, but I've done tournaments by myself.
Yeah, yeah.
But Scott was there, right?
No.
No one was there.
No one was there.
What Juujitsu tournament did you go to?
I was in Atlanta a couple years ago.
I had, and one else was there.
I signed up and nobody went.
Oh, and you still went?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That wouldn't have been any
Sid (13:23):
fun.
Was it fun?
No.
No.
I would never do it again.
Yeah.
Keith (13:26):
Now Scott's done that all the
Sid (13:28):
time.
He's done that plenty of times.
But he's a psycho.
Keith (13:30):
Yeah.
Sid (13:30):
Uh, and, and he is good at Jiujitsu.
That helps him.
That's and that's probablywhy he roped us into it all.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know?
'cause it's no fun.
Yeah.
Um, you've got some other points on,on how do you get into community?
I said peer groups.
Uh, what, what's your dude?
A place of faith is wonderful, man.
It really is.
(13:51):
It really is.
I mean, and, and, and, and,and good places of faith.
Recognize that community iskind of how you get to people.
Mm-hmm.
Not necessarily just on Sunday, but howdo you get people plugged in and, and,
and, and creating opportunities forthem to create it their own community.
And you brought up a great,
Keith (14:10):
and you brought up a great point also.
I think we look forlike one set of friends.
Oh yeah.
But if you hadn't have gotten in thelandscape peer group, your business
wouldn't have grown uhuh like it did.
No.
So it's okay to have differentsegments of people Oh my God.
(14:33):
To feel different emotionaland needs in your life.
That's a good one,
Sid (14:39):
man.
That's one of my Okay.
Uh, look, I'm gonna, I'm gonna ventureout here and be a little bit, um.
Well, vulnerable.
Maybe I'm just gonna step into alittle bit of a controversial comment.
That's one of the things that I sortof, uh, uh, I'm cautious about, uh,
(15:03):
faith-based communities is, and look,I say that where you and I do, you and
I were running a dang small group, youknow, so I'm not like opposed to it, but
I'm always like a little leery because.
It feels like if you're in that groupthen, then you're, if you've got something
else going on, it, it, it, it mustpale in comparison or you're, you're,
(15:26):
you're silly for having, why wouldyou need another group besides this?
Right.
I. I'm like, I, well, you know, Iget a lot out of that peer group.
I also get a lot outof this CrossFit deal.
I get a lot out of this wholegroup over here in Juujitsu, and
I, frankly, I do Juujitsu now.
(15:47):
I a, a tournament.
Sure, that'd be fun.
Whatever.
Uh, where are we gonna go eat is gonnabe way more important to me that I
kind of do it just for the community.
I have picked up on that.
That's where my friends are, you know,and I, I like choking people, you know,
and I like, I like the chess aspectof it and the physical aspect of it,
(16:10):
but I really like just the people.
I like
Keith (16:14):
the people.
Me too.
I like it.
And you know what?
Some of them oppose what I believe.
Sid (16:20):
Oh man.
Oh my God.
There's one, there's, there's afew specifically in the group.
And I'm probably, I go outta my way tobuild relationships with that person.
Keith (16:33):
And you know what, that's what actually.
And so I'll go spiritual here.
That's what we're called to do.
I think so too.
That's what we're called to do is walkinto circles that may not I think so too.
Look at Jesus himself
Sid (16:46):
and be a pretty good representative of that.
Yeah.
So that they can go, oh man, maybe notall of those guys are, are like that,
Keith (16:55):
you know?
Um, and you know what?
Walking into circles thatnecessarily don't agree with me.
Has made me a betterhuman all the way around.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, having friends that don't just patme on the back all the time has made
(17:17):
me, has made a friend group, has mademe a better human all the way around.
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Keith (18:48):
and this is where I think a lot of founders and a lot of
business owners go wrong, is no onetells them they're not in charge.
Oh.
'cause we walk around.
All day long with people saying yes to us.
Sid (19:05):
Yeah.
Keith (19:06):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so it's great.
Community is for that, is tomake you feel like you are not
always in charge because at.
You're not always in charge.
Sid (19:17):
Well, I'd say some are.
Some are and some are there tojust help you feel like seen,
accepted and stuff like that.
Yeah, right.
You know?
Yeah.
Um, I think there's some of that.
I, I, I do think churchgroups are, are good.
Um mm-hmm.
Man, and, and our church does a good job.
I mean, they really do push smallgroups and I believe that's where
people get sticky, you know?
(19:38):
Mm-hmm.
And stick to the churchbecause they now have a little
community and, and they like.
Meet people at church and they,they, you know, they, they, they,
they build a, like an adult network.
But I find it so fascinating thatpeople live their lives up through
their twenties, they have kids, andthen all of a sudden their whole
(20:01):
social world stops at that point.
And I don't know that I everstopped being in community.
I played like men's league soccer from.
From the time before Imet my wife till about,
I don't know, whenever I tore my groinlike four or five years ago, you know,
(20:23):
now I got a little PTSD about that.
It hurts so bad.
I was like, eh, I don't knowthat I wanna do that again.
But, you know, I've got all these othercommunities that, that, that sort of
fill in and, ah, man, our lives arejust so much better because of that.
And we, we.
You mentioned, uh, I don't know ifit was a couple of podcasts, uh, ago,
but we've got some, we've got someself-awareness because we're probably
(20:46):
not just in our own head all the time.
We're around people all the time.
Yeah.
And we're getting feedback.
We're getting feedbackfrom physical activity.
We're getting feedbackfrom others with us.
Um, we're in, we're in community.
Keith (21:02):
I'll go spiritual again.
Okay.
The Bible says if you don't have friends.
Probably not being friendly.
Sid (21:09):
Is that what it says?
Yeah,
Keith (21:11):
literally.
Okay.
It says to be a friend.
That sounds like a parent, you know?
It says to
Sid (21:14):
be a friend.
Be a friend.
That sounds like Jordan.
My wife talking to my youngest.
Hey, you don't have any friends.
Maybe you're not very friendly.
Keith (21:21):
Yeah.
Sid (21:22):
Yeah.
Jesus
Keith (21:22):
said
Sid (21:23):
that too.
Jesus said that too.
Mm-hmm.
Okay, well that's the quick hit is.
Community is one of the main aspects ofour lives being enriched and probably
indirectly, uh, a key component ofour success in life as well, um,
(21:44):
is being in community and, and, andKeith did kind of hit the nail on
the head that it's not just one.
There's lots of them out there and peoplemight say, I don't have time for that.
I. And I would probably say you probablyhave more time for community than you do
scrolling on your phone for eight hoursa week or, uh, watching Netflix for 10
(22:12):
hours a week, or just get up earlier.
You know, something like that.
You've got time.
It's just do you prioritize it enough?
And what I would.
Like to impress upon youis that man, it's worth it.
Totally.
So it's, it's worth it.
It's worth it.
(22:34):
Um, your life will justget so much better.
And I did.
And good things come out of it.
Good things come out of it.
This podcast came out of community 100%.
Uh, some could say that's good,some could disagree with that.
Not maybe, I don't know.
But hopefully that's not you.
I do appreciate you guyslistening, um, to the podcast.
Um.
(22:55):
We've had, we've had some significantimprovements in our podcast.
Thank you, Tim.
Oh god, our listenership has,uh, grown because of that.
Well, maybe we're getting better withour content too, but we do appreciate it.
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And hopefully you will share thesepodcasts with friends, family,
uh, whatever, to, uh, to maybehelp them get into community.
I'm sure you know someone thatneeds to get into community
and they're just lonely.
Uh, and I. Maybe this will inspire themto go find a group to to be a part of.
It is probably a little scary at first.
(23:38):
I don't know what it's like to not bein something like that, but I'll tell
you this, it was pretty scary for meto reach out to a business peer group
and, and, and then go be a part of them.
Uh, but once I did it.
It, it really did transformmy life significantly.
So I don't want you to miss out on that.
(23:59):
Uh, Keith, you got anythingelse to add on community?
No, man.
Just find, find one.
Yeah, find one.
Find multiple.
If you, if it's not agood fit, go find another.
If easy And
Keith (24:11):
if all of them are not a good fit, it may be you.
I.
Sid (24:17):
Maybe you.
All right.
Well, we wanted to keep it a quickhit so we won't keep beating it,
uh, beating this, uh, this point.
Well, and we
Keith (24:25):
really want need squares.
Sid (24:26):
Yeah.
Squares are.
Having friends that don't just pat me on the back all the time has
made me, our friend group has mademe a better human all the way around.
Yeah.
Sid (00:18):
Welcome everybody to another episode of the Overlap podcast.
A quick hit by the way, and even in thequick hits, we dive into the intersections
of work, fitness, family, faith,parenting, and leadership, with the idea
that growth in one area of your lifefuels growth in all areas of your life.
Um, we, we do these quick hitswhere they're quick ideas,
quick moments of inspiration.
(00:40):
That you can kind of digest on thedrive to or from work or to your next
appointment, something like that.
But we don't dive in foran hour, hour and a half.
It's more like 15, 20 minutes or reallyhowever long we kind of break 'em out for.
But we, we have lists of topics that weend up thinking might not take, you know?
(01:03):
The full hour or so.
However,
Keith (01:05):
a quick hit has definitely turned into an hour before
Sid (01:09):
because we like to talk about things, I guess.
Uh, good thing we got a podcast.
Hey, speaking of that,thanks for listening.
Um, so quick hit today is really based on.
Um, something that Keith brought tomy attention and I think it might even
have been a year ago, but I've actuallythought about it a lot since then.
Keith (01:30):
Um, Sid, I'm profound pretty much all the time.
If you would just listen.
Sid (01:36):
I'm moving on from there.
I'm moving on, movingon because I'm, I mean,
Keith (01:40):
I say a lot of profound shit.
Sid (01:42):
You maybe, and maybe I just don't listen.
Maybe I just don't listen.
Maybe it's just me.
Maybe it's just me.
Uh, but there's just so muchbullshit like hidden in there
that it's hard to decipher.
I guess today what I wantedto talk about is, is we were.
(02:03):
Leaving Juujitsu and I think it wasa night class, which was different
for us and rare for me to be at.
Yeah.
Rare for me too.
Um, I was at one last night, by theway, but, um, but it was, it was rare.
And there was a guy that wasvisiting from another gym.
He had been at our, at our academy for.
I don't know, three orfour weeks at that point.
(02:26):
And, and I think you had talked tohim a little bit and he was talking
about his experience at this other,uh, gym that I didn't even know
was a Juujitsu gym in our area.
Uh, turns out it wasn't reallymuch of one, and he found our
gym And, and you said this, thatI don't think that we realize.
(02:46):
What we have here.
And I thought, oh, okay.
That's just, you know, 'cause we'vegot, you know, great professors and,
uh, we've got some, uh, great training.
Uh, the facilities are pretty nice.
Um, yet they're showers.
So you can shower right thereand kind of go on about your day
or, or not be sticky and grossdriving home or, or, or whatever.
(03:11):
Right.
And turns out that's notwhat you were talking about.
You were talking about.
The fact that we have this kindof community within Juujitsu
amongst other things too.
And it got me thinking about all of them.
So tell me about your, your conversationwith that guy and why you said that.
Keith (03:32):
I believe that one of the things that's missing in society
today, and that is the biggestthing in my life that gives me.
The most joy is the communitiesin which I find myself in.
Sid (03:48):
Yeah,
Keith (03:49):
yeah.
And you know, I, I work at thechurch some, so I get to talk to
a lot of people that are, which is
Sid (03:56):
still shocking.
That
Keith (03:57):
is struggling.
Yeah.
And they even let me talk sometimes.
Oh yeah.
Just baffled.
Um, what should I. You
Sid (04:07):
should listen to me more.
I, I don't know.
I don't know.
I did for a little while and thenit got me, it got me nowhere.
But go ahead.
Keith (04:15):
Go ahead.
And so, community is thebest thing in my life.
Sid (04:23):
Yeah.
Keith (04:24):
Like, and I, I'll probably get a little emotional about it.
There you go.
Yeah.
Because I really think that, youknow, that el adage, you know,
you become what you hang around.
Oh yeah.
What I see a lot right now is thatpeople don't have good community.
Sid (04:43):
It's pervasive.
Yeah.
Once you mentioned it, Istarted seeing it everywhere.
It really did open my eyes that,um, number one, we're blessed.
Uh, and, and I don't know, or we just, um.
I, I, I, uh, you know,I, I just got lucky.
Uh, we have a CrossFit gym witha community there that is built
(05:07):
around kind of people pushingthemselves to become better.
There's a little bit of fun competition,you know, but everyone is kind of
overcoming little obstacles and fearsand, and, uh, and, and getting better.
It's fantastic.
Like it enriches my life and I don'tknow that I ever thought about it.
(05:29):
I
Keith (05:29):
mean, we even do pullups as a community.
Sid (05:31):
Oh, I know.
We should probably postthat in this episode.
We should, uh, yeah.
Weighted pullups and someone justholding onto you're back while
you're trying to do a pull up.
Um, I'm probably somewherearound 12 of Correct.
Feel like that strict pullups feellike, I feel like that's hyperbole.
I don't know that you can do 12.
I'm gonna bet you a hundred dollars
Keith (05:53):
that I can't do 12.
Strict Can 12
Sid (05:55):
strict get your chin over the bar?
Keith (05:57):
Yes, I can do 12.
All right.
That's on.
It's on, it's on.
You can video.
It's and we will post it on social media.
Oh my
Sid (06:03):
God.
It's on, I'm actually,
Keith (06:06):
he's just jealous right now 'cause he can't do 12
'cause he is got a gimp arm.
Sid (06:10):
Oh, my, my arm is, is on its way back.
I had, I had, uh, shoulder surgery.
I think I did eight Tuesday or Wednesday.
Strict pull-ups.
I, I don't think it was weighted.
Keith (06:23):
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Back to the community.
Yep.
I do think that I took thatfor granted until you mentioned
that, that my life is enriched.
(07:53):
Uh, you even mentioned, um, our littlegroup text, you know, uh, that, and I
don't know that I thought about that.
'cause I thought I roll around inlife thinking that other people
live their life like we do.
And they don't.
And I started seeing thatafter you mentioned it.
And that's where I do think parents getso involved in their kids because they
(08:18):
don't have their own community, they don'thave their own little lives, and they get
too wrapped up in what their kid, whattheir kids are doing, and who they're
hanging out and what they're doing.
And did they.
Did they score 10 pointsin the basketball game?
Oh, you're fixing
Keith (08:32):
to get on one of my step boxes.
Yeah.
And, and
Sid (08:34):
they've got personalized training for all of their stuff and one-on-one
coaching and all this other stuff whereman, and, and the parents probably aren't
going on date nights and they're nottaking trips with their friends and, and
including their family and all that stuff.
And, um, you know why, you know
Keith (08:55):
how to build community.
How's that?
You have to make time for it.
I know.
And you gotta realize that it'simportant, like friendships take time.
Yeah.
The you, the, the reason that you andI are friends is because we take time.
Sid (09:10):
Yeah.
I do think this, I do think you can,um, I do think you can accelerate
it through shared suffering.
Definitely so shared suffering is,especially for men, I think I, I
know, and that sounds so lame comingoutta my mouth, but I think that's
the, that's like the critical driver.
'cause I, man, I've given it somethought once you said it and I was
(09:33):
like, how are we such good friends?
Oh, we do tough shit togetherall the time, I think.
And then all we do is give each othera hard time about it, and then we do
it again the next day or the next week.
Keith (09:46):
I think the secret is you must try to break each other's arm.
I don't know about that,
Sid (09:53):
but yeah, let's take shared suffering and let's take it in a non-physical way.
Um, 'cause we were talking about how doyou get into communities and one of them
that I was in, and I talk about it onthis podcast all the time, man, it was.
Life altering was getting into a businesspeer group of other landscapers and
(10:13):
non-competing markets and, um, reallygetting personal and vulnerable about
our businesses, uh, about our, um.
You, you, you know about our successesand mainly our failures and learning
from each other, visiting each other'sbusinesses, knowing each other's families.
(10:34):
Um, Clint Allison is on my willtoday, right now if I were to die.
He shows up, my wife knows exactlywho to call and who to talk to
about unwinding that business andwhat to do with it or, or whatever.
Um, in peer groups.
In the business world,I think is fantastic.
(10:56):
Uh, some are better than others,and I just got lucky in that one.
But you could find, and I, I left that oneand found another one that was super good,
but it wasn't as close and as personal.
Um, I, I think that's another wayand shared suffering is kind of
how each other get through it.
Like, I mean, you, uh, you, you've seenClint and Chad Warwick, those guys,
(11:16):
like, I mean like we love each other.
Keith (11:18):
Dude, I told you that.
And we've gone broke together.
Dude, I've told you when I came backfrom getting to hang out with, you know,
your little clique, um, I was blown away.
Yeah.
Like that.
Y'all had this
20 year relationship.
Yeah, man.
Like that was so cool.
(11:38):
It's crazy.
Sid (11:39):
It's crazy.
Keith (11:40):
And, and I, I take it for granted, but Syd, if there's one thing that I see.
You do as you pursue it?
I do.
Most people don't.
Sid (11:51):
Well, I grew up playing soccer.
I was always on a team and I love it.
You know, it like it gave meaccess to, I don't know, people and
feedback and I feed off of that.
Well, I think our last episode wewere talking about our 80 20 and
I, I have recognized that prettyearly on that that's kind of
what I am as like a team builder.
Keith (12:12):
I also think in.
Culture today, we've been fed thislie that we don't need people.
Sid (12:19):
Uh, well, I maybe I've, maybe I've been deaf to that.
Maybe I've been deaf to your, uh,your poignant comments and also
deaf to We don't need people.
Yeah.
Because I don't know that I hear that.
And I, and if I did hear it, Iwould say, well, that's stupid.
Well, think about it.
You need, without people,I get nothing done.
And without people, I don't
Keith (12:37):
have really any joy.
Yeah.
Society tells us, youknow, it's all about you.
I don't know.
It's all, it's all about you.
You're saying that and I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know that I hear that.
Watch social media.
Sid (12:50):
Okay.
Yeah, I do.
Maybe my algorithm's different,but think about this.
If you climbed a mountain andyou didn't have anyone there
with you, would that be any fun?
If you went and won a Juujitsutournament by yourself and you were
the only one there've done that,would that be any fun I've done?
No.
Keith (13:07):
Scott was there with you.
No, no.
Well, but I've done tournaments by myself.
Yeah, yeah.
But Scott was there, right?
No.
No one was there.
No one was there.
What Juujitsu tournament did you go to?
I was in Atlanta a couple years ago.
I had, and one else was there.
I signed up and nobody went.
Oh, and you still went?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That wouldn't have been any
Sid (13:23):
fun.
Was it fun?
No.
No.
I would never do it again.
Yeah.
Keith (13:26):
Now Scott's done that all the
Sid (13:28):
time.
He's done that plenty of times.
But he's a psycho.
Keith (13:30):
Yeah.
Sid (13:30):
Uh, and, and he is good at Jiujitsu.
That helps him.
That's and that's probablywhy he roped us into it all.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know?
'cause it's no fun.
Yeah.
Um, you've got some other points on,on how do you get into community?
I said peer groups.
Uh, what, what's your dude?
A place of faith is wonderful, man.
It really is.
(13:51):
It really is.
I mean, and, and, and, and,and good places of faith.
Recognize that community iskind of how you get to people.
Mm-hmm.
Not necessarily just on Sunday, but howdo you get people plugged in and, and,
and, and creating opportunities forthem to create it their own community.
And you brought up a great,
Keith (14:10):
and you brought up a great point also.
I think we look forlike one set of friends.
Oh yeah.
But if you hadn't have gotten in thelandscape peer group, your business
wouldn't have grown uhuh like it did.
No.
So it's okay to have differentsegments of people Oh my God.
(14:33):
To feel different emotionaland needs in your life.
That's a good one,
Sid (14:39):
man.
That's one of my Okay.
Uh, look, I'm gonna, I'm gonna ventureout here and be a little bit, um.
Well, vulnerable.
Maybe I'm just gonna step into alittle bit of a controversial comment.
That's one of the things that I sortof, uh, uh, I'm cautious about, uh,
(15:03):
faith-based communities is, and look,I say that where you and I do, you and
I were running a dang small group, youknow, so I'm not like opposed to it, but
I'm always like a little leery because.
It feels like if you're in that groupthen, then you're, if you've got something
else going on, it, it, it, it mustpale in comparison or you're, you're,
(15:26):
you're silly for having, why wouldyou need another group besides this?
Right.
I. I'm like, I, well, you know, Iget a lot out of that peer group.
I also get a lot outof this CrossFit deal.
I get a lot out of this wholegroup over here in Juujitsu, and
I, frankly, I do Juujitsu now.
(15:47):
I a, a tournament.
Sure, that'd be fun.
Whatever.
Uh, where are we gonna go eat is gonnabe way more important to me that I
kind of do it just for the community.
I have picked up on that.
That's where my friends are, you know,and I, I like choking people, you know,
and I like, I like the chess aspectof it and the physical aspect of it,
(16:10):
but I really like just the people.
I like
Keith (16:14):
the people.
Me too.
I like it.
And you know what?
Some of them oppose what I believe.
Sid (16:20):
Oh man.
Oh my God.
There's one, there's, there's afew specifically in the group.
And I'm probably, I go outta my way tobuild relationships with that person.
Keith (16:33):
And you know what, that's what actually.
And so I'll go spiritual here.
That's what we're called to do.
I think so too.
That's what we're called to do is walkinto circles that may not I think so too.
Look at Jesus himself
Sid (16:46):
and be a pretty good representative of that.
Yeah.
So that they can go, oh man, maybe notall of those guys are, are like that,
Keith (16:55):
you know?
Um, and you know what?
Walking into circles thatnecessarily don't agree with me.
Has made me a betterhuman all the way around.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, having friends that don't just patme on the back all the time has made
(17:17):
me, has made a friend group, has mademe a better human all the way around.
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Keith (18:48):
and this is where I think a lot of founders and a lot of
business owners go wrong, is no onetells them they're not in charge.
Oh.
'cause we walk around.
All day long with people saying yes to us.
Sid (19:05):
Yeah.
Keith (19:06):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so it's great.
Community is for that, is tomake you feel like you are not
always in charge because at.
You're not always in charge.
Sid (19:17):
Well, I'd say some are.
Some are and some are there tojust help you feel like seen,
accepted and stuff like that.
Yeah, right.
You know?
Yeah.
Um, I think there's some of that.
I, I, I do think churchgroups are, are good.
Um mm-hmm.
Man, and, and our church does a good job.
I mean, they really do push smallgroups and I believe that's where
people get sticky, you know?
(19:38):
Mm-hmm.
And stick to the churchbecause they now have a little
community and, and they like.
Meet people at church and they,they, you know, they, they, they,
they build a, like an adult network.
But I find it so fascinating thatpeople live their lives up through
their twenties, they have kids, andthen all of a sudden their whole
(20:01):
social world stops at that point.
And I don't know that I everstopped being in community.
I played like men's league soccer from.
From the time before Imet my wife till about,
I don't know, whenever I tore my groinlike four or five years ago, you know,
(20:23):
now I got a little PTSD about that.
It hurts so bad.
I was like, eh, I don't knowthat I wanna do that again.
But, you know, I've got all these othercommunities that, that, that sort of
fill in and, ah, man, our lives arejust so much better because of that.
And we, we.
You mentioned, uh, I don't know ifit was a couple of podcasts, uh, ago,
but we've got some, we've got someself-awareness because we're probably
(20:46):
not just in our own head all the time.
We're around people all the time.
Yeah.
And we're getting feedback.
We're getting feedbackfrom physical activity.
We're getting feedbackfrom others with us.
Um, we're in, we're in community.
Keith (21:02):
I'll go spiritual again.
Okay.
The Bible says if you don't have friends.
Probably not being friendly.
Sid (21:09):
Is that what it says?
Yeah,
Keith (21:11):
literally.
Okay.
It says to be a friend.
That sounds like a parent, you know?
It says to
Sid (21:14):
be a friend.
Be a friend.
That sounds like Jordan.
My wife talking to my youngest.
Hey, you don't have any friends.
Maybe you're not very friendly.
Keith (21:21):
Yeah.
Sid (21:22):
Yeah.
Jesus
Keith (21:22):
said
Sid (21:23):
that too.
Jesus said that too.
Mm-hmm.
Okay, well that's the quick hit is.
Community is one of the main aspects ofour lives being enriched and probably
indirectly, uh, a key component ofour success in life as well, um,
(21:44):
is being in community and, and, andKeith did kind of hit the nail on
the head that it's not just one.
There's lots of them out there and peoplemight say, I don't have time for that.
I. And I would probably say you probablyhave more time for community than you do
scrolling on your phone for eight hoursa week or, uh, watching Netflix for 10
(22:12):
hours a week, or just get up earlier.
You know, something like that.
You've got time.
It's just do you prioritize it enough?
And what I would.
Like to impress upon youis that man, it's worth it.
Totally.
So it's, it's worth it.
It's worth it.
(22:34):
Um, your life will justget so much better.
And I did.
And good things come out of it.
Good things come out of it.
This podcast came out of community 100%.
Uh, some could say that's good,some could disagree with that.
Not maybe, I don't know.
But hopefully that's not you.
I do appreciate you guyslistening, um, to the podcast.
Um.
(22:55):
We've had, we've had some significantimprovements in our podcast.
Thank you, Tim.
Oh god, our listenership has,uh, grown because of that.
Well, maybe we're getting better withour content too, but we do appreciate it.
Thank you to our sponsors andhopefully you guys will, um, use them
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And hopefully you will share thesepodcasts with friends, family,
uh, whatever, to, uh, to maybehelp them get into community.
I'm sure you know someone thatneeds to get into community
and they're just lonely.
Uh, and I. Maybe this will inspire themto go find a group to to be a part of.
It is probably a little scary at first.
(23:38):
I don't know what it's like to not bein something like that, but I'll tell
you this, it was pretty scary for meto reach out to a business peer group
and, and, and then go be a part of them.
Uh, but once I did it.
It, it really did transformmy life significantly.
So I don't want you to miss out on that.
(23:59):
Uh, Keith, you got anythingelse to add on community?
No, man.
Just find, find one.
Yeah, find one.
Find multiple.
If you, if it's not agood fit, go find another.
If easy And
Keith (24:11):
if all of them are not a good fit, it may be you.
I.
Sid (24:17):
Maybe you.
All right.
Well, we wanted to keep it a quickhit so we won't keep beating it,
uh, beating this, uh, this point.
Well, and we
Keith (24:25):
really want need squares.
Sid (24:26):
Yeah.
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