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August 10, 2023 • 79 mins
The Reverend and the Reprobate sit down with incredibly talented voice actor Dave Trosko. Trosko, who voices My Hero Academia's Present Mic and has nearly 200 other credits to his name, talks about the challenges of English overdubs, his favorite anime he's ever worked on, and whether or not you it's Present Mic or Pre-sent Mic.

@RevRepPodcast talk with Dave about the time he got cancelled and the challenges of speaking your beliefs in an industry that largely disagrees with you, how Jesus changed his life and the craziness of being an anime actor.

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(00:00):
Hi guys. Ricky Pope here fromthe Christian Nerds Unite podcast. On the
show, we dive deep into ournerdy fandoms and look at them through the
lens of our faith by chatting withChristian content creators and experts who love comics,
science, video games, media,sci fi and fantasy, discovering how
their faith shapes their creative work andtheir lives. You can listen on your

(00:23):
favorite podcast app or find links toeverything at Christian rgunite dot com. I'm
Dave Troscoe, the voice of PresidentMike from My hero Academia, and this
is why you should never listen tothe Reverend and the Reprobate creating file hosts
of Forest and Vis Kyle Man fromJay Warner Wallace. Here Davis's Hey,

(00:44):
this is day Basis to Kerry Comarroli. This is Mike Writer, this is
even This is Laham Morgan, MistrianBarker, the Fifth GP, And this
is why you should never ever,never, never, never never. How
I got suckered in. I'm soembarrassed that on your wasting your Time's got
better things to do. Nevertheless,Darling Yam and the Reprobate, Hey,
everybody, Welcome back to Part twoof The Reverend and the Reprobate Interview present

(01:08):
Mike Dave Trotska. I thought you'dlike to start after I was saying something
really cool and I mean you'd startedout. Let me just say, the
next time you say something really coolwill be the first. Well, let's
start the show. Normally it's thelast one I use it. That is
my that's one of my go tothe colloquialism. Is that the right term
colloquial. Let's say, if Ihad Internet, I would google that,

(01:32):
but I have some apprehensiousness about that. Powers here and wait debate for us
real quick. Yeah, is theword apprehensious? Is that a word?
I don't think so. It's kindof like h kennan ial. Yeah.
Yeah, let's say it's like whatdo we get through espresso? Uh Irregardless,

(01:53):
that's a big one. I've beenusing the word intense apprehensious as an
I'm app hincious about this thing comingout. It's all intensive purposes of and
tenacious. Yeah, yeahs like that. I'm tenacious that I have tenacious apprehension
like you you are, you aredetermined to be anxious about this no matter

(02:15):
what that's the surprise shows. It'sabout semantics. That's the show. Yeah,
yeah, actually yes, even withthe title of our show it is.
We could we could interview rabbis andcall it the Semitic Semantics. There
you go. I love look lookfor that this summer with Dave Trosco,
the Semitic Semantics. Dave Trosco's SemiticSemantics. I'd love to sit around as

(02:40):
Yiddish around with some rabbis. Nowwe could get Tom Leopold to do that.
Really pronounced this way. It's notSherbert, it's Srbett. There is
no r I don't know where theyare came from. Is it actually subett?
It is subett? No, Surebet, not subett, but subett I

(03:00):
call it sure. But I've justlearned of two words I've been using wrong,
just because last week I listened tothe podcast last week and you said
cupon. That's a that's a pointof contention with me and my wife.
She okay, it's it's coupon,coupon. And I said cupon, coupon,
coupon, but I do not saycouping. N W calls it couping.
Yeah, your wife calls it coupingto make me mad. Yeah,

(03:23):
I don't know, it's just couponscopon. Does your does your wife do
the thing where she like will saythings like your parents do in order to
get like, particularly your name,like separate the syllables in your name your
name, or use your first andlast name. You you just got me
fired up, dude. Yeah.She only uses my full name whenever I

(03:46):
scare her. Okay, So ifyou know, it's late at night and
she's brushing her teeth and she's doingher face, and I creep up right
behind her and just kind of sitthere like that, and then she'll turn
around and David, Yeah, he'sso much and then you know, see,

(04:12):
but is that the way that yourparents said your name? Is she
doing that intentionally or is that she'sjust saying to me? I don't I
don't know. I don't think i'dever put that those two together. But
now and I'll probably think about thatmore because I'll do the same thing with
Heather that she'll be doing something Idon't like, and so I'll say Heather,
you know, I'll say her nameright, and she'll say my name
back to me, like my momsaid. I was like, this is

(04:33):
uncalled for, Like I was callingto attention that you were doing something I
didn't like. How did your momsay your name? Well, she would
wake me up in the morning.I got to back up off the mic.
She wake him up in the morningbecause I was upstairs with right.
So she does that to me,and I go, that was very aggressive,

(04:53):
like I'm not called for her swinecall. She said, well,
mom, pancakes for you, Dadley. That is an amazing impression. His
mom is from Arkansas, so yezacks, Yeah, go hogs. So
my wife has gotten into the habitof, especially if it's something to do

(05:15):
with our son, if he likestarts to fall or to do something that
like it looks mildly dangerous, isto call me Lucas Scott, which is
my my middle name. So ifshe does something I will start calling her
Kirsten Scott, which is she absolutelyhates it so tasty. I don't know

(05:36):
why that, like, because thefirst time I did it was just as
a joke and it sent her rightto it. She's like, that's not
my name. I still like middlenames at all, right, I think
because I say had there's middle name, death sends yeah. Well, I
looked out. My name is actuallyGeorge David Troscoe Junior. So your middle

(05:58):
name, my name is the nameI go by. My son is George
David the Third. I didn't knowyou guys were royalty. I think my
dad was shooting for that. Ithink he was. I do this influence
will come kidding, does like Vivaldijust play whenever you walk into rooms?
Yeah? Yeah. In our secondson, his name is Esquire. Esquire.

(06:23):
Oh wow, you know Kyle,Yeah, Eric and Kurt. Yeah,
those are all their middle names,as they should be. Yeah,
it's a little little side note.Kyle, who's still stuck in the bathroom.
Unfortunately, Kyle was our original producerthree years ago that lasted for like
six episodes. He's our friend sincehas just massive bathroom issues for the last

(06:43):
two years, well now three years. Still in there, Still in there,
st there. My wife will feelbetter about that. And he takes
five minutes to take care of business. But isn't that like, this is
what it is. He's been inthe time. It takes two years sometimes
well really three. He got someroughage some times. That's the only place
in the house where you can getquiet. Also, at the workplace.

(07:05):
So it wasn't until about uh maybewe've been married for almost ten years and
I think it wasn't until about Iguess it was kids. Yeah, but
definitely this this last one, who'sfive, So I would say i'd put
four years on it when I actuallystarted locking the door yep to the bathroom.
Yeah, and it's it's a liberatingfeeling. And I'll do it even

(07:28):
if I don't, even if there'snobody in the house, I'll still just
be like, you know what,Yeah, I do that because I have
German shepherds. They can unlock doors. No they I don't have to lock
it, but I do have toclose the door because they will come in.
Do you well, do you doyou do it with the door open?
Do you have an open door policyat your home? Well, I'm
saying if I'm a home, that'snot the question. No, it's happen.

(07:54):
I mean even when I am alonebecause because of my master, it's
just you know, I've got myown bathroom, so I don't close the
inside door between my bathtist is fascinatingsubject, just starting to day off with.
I'm sure your listeners are just atthe team is a big fan of
the Yeah, they're leaned out theresitting, their knees are going numb as

(08:18):
their elbows are supplanted at the topthis podcast. Right now, we're just
finishing our conversation from last time wherewe talked about your go ahead yeah testimony.
Yea. So let's finish up.Let's just episode. Let's get into
and then it's just bathroom jump rightinto it. So where we where we

(08:41):
left off last time? Your yournow wife, who was your girlfriend at
the time, had come to visityou as you were the toast of London,
yes, and then you had uh, and then you had most moved
back to uh to the United States, and you guys had moved in together.
You might you said you ended theepisode by saying we were not very

(09:07):
Christian yet God was about to changethat. And that's when we cut you
off. Were called the teaser.Yeah yeah, so yeah, so hard
part of my life. That wasa pretty hard part of my life.
I would say it wasn't I mean, it wasn't hard. I was making
it hard. Okay, you know, you fell away and and uh,

(09:33):
and it was difficult to to kindof come back up for air. The
London thing totally kind of wiped alot of slates clean for me, and
it came back to the States andthen so I guess here's the story.
Yeah, here's the story. Howit all, how it all happened,
doesn't start at the beginning. Itstarts at the beginning, and then when

(09:54):
we get to the end, itstops. We'll be the judge of that.
How many interruptions. Yea, wecome back to the US, we
move in together, We're living inAddison. I'm working at the Capitol Grill
Steakhouse as a server for a coupleof years. And during that time it
was fun. I became a sambolier, interested in the wine thing, but

(10:18):
I was still a server and Istill had that little bit of that wanting
to be an actor. I endedup doing Trinity Shakespeare Festival during that time,
and there was all these fun littleprojects that were happening during that But
the big change for me, becauseI'm saying this because it all factors into
the backstory of the testimony, Iwas tired of being a server, a

(10:43):
waiter, and I wanted to bea chef. So I found this little
like gastro pub called jack Max Swilland Grill. It doesn't exist anymore,
but it was a great spot.The guy made everything from scratch. He
did Burger's pizza and a bunch ofother like things. Jack Mac, Jster
Mac, mister Jack McDonald, andhe helped. He took me in as

(11:07):
a no nothing chef. I wasa home and he was like, you've
got a great palette. I'm gonnawork with you. I'm gonna train you
how to be a chef. Andthis guy rode me like Zoro, like
he was hardened, old pirate ofa cook, if you can imagine.

(11:28):
Very sweet guy, very sweetheart,but when it came to the kitchen and
when it came to his business,he was very like, he was very
stern, which was good. It'skind of what I needed. So I
take this job. I was makinggreat money at Capitol Girl, and I
took a huge pay cut to gobe a fifteen dollars an hour kitchen manager

(11:48):
at this little you know, momand pop die of gastro pub type place.
And I got my teeth cut asa as a cook. A friend
of mine comes his motorcycle all theway from Boston to Texas and he's like,
I'm opening up a restaurant here.In Texas, and I love what
you're doing. I see what you'redoing. You're doing the molecular astronomy stuff.

(12:09):
You're really you know, advancing.Can you say that again, the
molecular lecular astronomy. I was,I was. I dabbled in the molecular
astronomy. That's like you know,foams and you know, sphears modern using
science, using the Sioux vide technique, you know, using all these different

(12:31):
bubble And started in Spain with theFerrana Dria, Spanish guy, amazing chef,
and anyways, he saw what Iwas doing. He says, I
want you to come open this restaurantwith me. It's a great opportunity.
You can be the chef to cuisine. And at Jack Max, I was,
you know, cheft to porta potty. It was like you to open

(12:54):
doors, the welcome matt, andit was it was hard and so you
know, of course I had anego even then too, and I was
like, yeah, I'm gonna godo this. So I take the offer
from my buddy. But of coursethe restaurant's not gonna open for like another

(13:15):
eight weeks or so. It wascurrently being renovated. And I go to
my boss. I'm Ster McDonald,and I'm like, hey, I have
this opportunity. I think I'm gonnatake it. I think I'm gonna play
with Molik. Want to go this? Yeah, it was an Italian restaurant
that I was going to, andthat way it's not there anymore either,

(13:37):
So most of my culinary history can'tbe revisited, but the much like history
itself. He I said, I'llfinish out my two weeks and then i'll
be I'll be gone. He says, no, you can leave now.
I'm like, oh, well,I kind of need this job. He
goes, well, whatever and justkind of cuts cuts me loose, which

(13:58):
was absolutely fine. You know,whatever I get, I get it and
get the decision. But he wehad a wedding to plan for. This
is we had already gotten engaged andthe wedding was happening, and we had
money's do and we also were livingin an apartment in Dallas, which wasn't

(14:20):
super expensive at the time, butit wasn't cheap either, and I was
about to be out of income forseveral weeks and that was rather distressing.
So I called my wife and Isay, hey, I've got bad news.

(14:41):
Let's meet up. We were wewere going to meet up at Whole
Foods and go sit at the barat Whole Foods and drink some craft beer
and discuss. And I thought aboutit, and I before I had done
any of it, I remember Isat down with a yeah, let's go
for the dollar shots. I Isat down and I basically worked out.

(15:01):
I was like, Okay, thisis the amount of money that I need
to survive over the next four fiveweeks whatever it was until the wedding starts.
And I worked it out, andI remember the number it was,
Well, it was about twenty sixfifty I think, I think that's the
number. It's very specific number thatI had worked. Twenty six d twenty

(15:24):
six hundred fifty. Yeah. Sowe needed money for rent, money for
food, and then the rest ofthe money to pay off like the caterer
and stuff for the wedding. Noneof that stuff is cheap. No,
No, we did it. Wedid it on a shoe string budget.
We did pretty darn good with thewedding, but I with molecules instead for
food. It was really the firsttime and I knew I couldn't ask my

(15:45):
parents for help because this was mebeing a man, and I had to
you know, I had to doit. I had the launch. There
was no more going back to Momand Daddy and asking for anything, especially
our relationship at the time, veryyou know, strained, I would say.
So, I was desperate and outof desperation. I remember I sat

(16:08):
in my car and for the firsttime in years, I cried out to
God and I was like, Idon't know if you're real or not,
but if you are and you canhear me, I could use some help.
And it was just a very youknow, short, very I guess,

(16:30):
jaded prayer almost just like you know, I didn't really believe what I
was doing, but I knew Ineeded something. Yeah, and I'm sure
lots of people have been there atthe end of their open that's somehow,
some where. A lot of peoplestart there their testimony. So I'm sitting
in my car. It does oftenend in cars or start in cars.

(16:53):
I was in my car and Iwas at WIT's end for whatever reason.
The host of them Jesus in carscomedie, a lot of them. Yeah,
but yes, please continue. SoI'm getting I get in my car
and I'm driving a Pontiac Grand Prixgt. It's a little it's like it's
a fleet car. It's an oldcar. They don't make them anymore.
Turn the traction control off. Ohman, it was I loved I loved

(17:15):
that car. It was a greatsedan one, very comfortable. So I
know about trash schedule. And I'mon my way to go meet my wife
at Whole Foods and I pull outof the driveway of the apartment complex.
They're off of Frankfurt and the tollway, and I'm driving down the block and

(17:37):
this car just swoops out in frontof me and cuts me off, and
I like hit the brakes. Nothinghappens, but I like hit the brakes.
I'm like, oh, what wasthat Like, I'm just like tense
like this, like dang Dallas driversand shake it off. I'm I'm shaking

(17:59):
a little bit because it was itwas very close to a bad accident.
And I drive a little bit furtherdown the road, go down to the
further I get to like a stoplight, and right before I get to the
stop light, the same thing happenswith another car. They pull out of
this driveway like they don't even seeme, and they almost clip my car.
And I'm like, what is goingon? I mean, granted it
is rush hour Frankfort and the tollway, it's busy, busy intersection. Literally

(18:25):
thousands of people that are going onthis road every day, yeah, especially
during this time. So two carsalmost hit me. I am like visibly,
I'm just I'm shaken, and I'mlike, what is going on?
Then I drive a little bit furtherdown the road. I get to where
the tollway is. There's the lightof the tollway and I'm going to be
turning left and I get into theleft turn lane and I'm going straight towards

(18:48):
a red light and I'm slowing down, but I'm going fast enough. This
car goes over three lanes of trafficand side swipes me. My whole car
pushes me off to the side.Cars damaged from nose to but yeah,
from stern to bow, from fromhead to rump. And I get out

(19:15):
and I'm like, you know whatthe heck? Dude like he's like,
we didn't even see you coming.You're speeding. I'm going I was not
speeding. And some other dude getsout of his car and goes, no,
man, you were totally in theright. You know this guy he
crossed over three lanes. He didn'tlook, he didn't see you, and
he plowed right into you. Youwant me to stay for the cops?
I said, yeah, it'd begreat. Yes, yeah, you can

(19:36):
go. It turns out it's it'san uninsured driver of an uninsured car that
wasn't even his. So great forthe police report at least, Yeah,
for sure. I call my insurancecompany. Things get get the ball rolling.
I take my car in, whichis my car is still very drivable.
It's just cosmetic damage. Praise God. Yeah, no kidding. I

(20:00):
go then drive to my wife.I'm completely out of sorts. I tell
her the story about you know,like all this stuff and that like I've
lost my job today. I justgot my car hit like and you know,
go figure. I pray to Godright before this happens, like I'm
having a bad day, and God'slike, oh, I'm gonna make your

(20:21):
day even worse with another car pushthe SMIKEE button. So that's that's where
my heart like laid on for likea couple of days. I'm like,
clearly, if there is a God, he's mad at me, and you
know whatever, But you know,all things work for good and or he
uses. He uses everything for good. So take my car in to go

(20:44):
get it praised for the damage.My still drivable car. That's old.
It's an old car at that time, I think it was almost like about
eight years old, so you know, is getting up there. I get
the report back from the the repairguys to appraise a car, and it's
like, well, we can giveyou the money, or you can just

(21:08):
have your insurance company pay you themoney. We can write you a check,
the insurance company write you a checkfor it, or we can you
know, we can do the workand then we'll send the bill and you
can just pay the deductible and itnever I'll take the check. I need
the money. It was twenty sixfifty the exact amount of money that I
needed to pay for my whole monthof friends and the rest of the wedding,

(21:30):
and with a little bit left over, start your family and all this.
Yeah, And it was like whenthat check came in the mail and
I saw it and I saw theamount, and I put it all together.
I turned to my wife and Isaid, I think we need to
start going to church. And washer response to that. It was two

(21:52):
on the notes. She was allabout it. So she was, well,
she wasn't all about it. She, like me, raised in church.
I think she was either Methodist orPresbyterian. I can't remember exactly what
it was, but she had grownup in the church. She wasn't unfamiliar
with the church. But just likeme, we had both fallen away and
we're looking for other things. Likeshe think she looked into Taoism for a

(22:15):
little bit, and I was intolike fung Shui and like, you know,
that mysticism type of things. Wewanted we wanted to believe in something,
but just there wasn't anything there thatwas really hitting it for us.
So she says, okay, well, okay, yeah, if you want
to, I guess we can startdoing that. And we did that weekend.

(22:37):
We ended up going to church.I can't remember where we went.
I know we started at Calvary Chapeland Flower Mound, I think, and
we kind of moved moved around abit and found the right spot for us
for the time being. But we'vegone through several churches since then as new
Christians to just and each one washelpful in the development of and I should

(22:59):
say, the repair of what neededto be repaired in our hearts. And
I'm happy to say like she isa much she is so strong in her
Christianity and in her faith, andshe has a fantastic wife and has become
so much more than what she waswhen we were dating, in especially in

(23:19):
the spiritual realm and in the realmof helping me be a better man,
which is what a wife should doand can be and can do. So
that but that was it. Thatwas that was that moment there. It
was so oddly specific and the factthat I had prayed and the fact that

(23:42):
I was like bitter with God afterI had prayed because of the accident,
which turned out to be the blessing. It's like here, I'll hit you
a little bit, I'll ruugh youup a little bit, but just just
wait, but just wait and andjust wait for it. And it came
in and it was. It wasgreat. It was It was very eye

(24:02):
opening to the specificity that God canuse to answer prayer. Yeah, and
it was I think that God knewobviously, he knew, he knew my
heart and he knew that I neededsomething that was that on the nose in
order for me to accept it,because like small little nudges here, how's

(24:26):
about the exact check that you're askingfor. Yeah, well, and I
do think that there's something to itwhen specifically when someone has grown up in
church and has whether it's church hurtor I'm just frustrations with the church or
frustrations with God or whatever, thatthere has to be something that kind of

(24:48):
circumvent our perceptions and our pride inorder to get the walls down enough to
where we open ourselves up to beingvulnerable to the Holy and whether that is
like I'm frustrated with you or youknow, I lost my job and I
need your help and it's like okay, yeah, yeah, and now you're
gonna have this wreck because if youjust ended up with it, it's like

(25:11):
there was this direct answer to prayerthat your wife was like, oh hey
look I found twenty six hundred dollarsin the parking lot. Yeah yeah,
like that you're probably like, ohhey, thanks God, and there's not
this like the depth of relationship versuslike, hey, this was an answered
prayer is likely a lot different thanthat trial and that you know, the
endurance that it takes and ordered foryour faith to grow in that way,

(25:34):
you know, I've told that storyseveral times to people as my testimony,
but it wasn't until just now todayretelling it that I realized there was that
period in between getting hit by thecar and then getting the check that I
was that I was very resentful.Yeah, and I think that I must

(25:57):
have set the stage because I guessI was in such desperation at that moment,
and then to have all that piledon brought me even lower in my
desperation for something that I needed.And I never put those two together until
just now. So yeah, it'sit's so, yeah, it makes sense.

(26:18):
It's interesting the way that we're emotionalcreatures. We need to go through
the play of life well and insome ways it and it's just the it's
the interesting thing that God does wheneverhe is drawing people to himself, is
that there is something that's necessary forus to realize that we need God.

(26:42):
It was like when the Israelites arelike, m whatever, God, you
know you're not that You're not thatgreat, and then horrible things would happen.
They go, God, we wantyou to come back. Yeah,
hey, by the way, wemiss you, and they'd show up and
they'd forget again. And then Ithink I almost said something bad. Well,
because maybe we'll cut this. Yeah, it was once described it's like

(27:03):
the every if if God were totalk to a counselor about his relationship with
us, that the counselor would belike, you're in a toxic relationship.
You need to bail, you needthey're going to hurt you again. Yeah,
yeah, this person is Listen,God, this person is not good
for you. They really don't bringvery much to this. They're awfully needy,

(27:23):
and they're they're gonna end up suckingyou're trying. He's like, yeah,
that's okay, that's your next sermon. We are the toxic girlfriend.
I've I've been working on that illustrationfor a little while. Right, so
yeah, there, I think thatthere is something to it. But of
first you got to do some blasphemywith that God hansel. Yeah yeah right.

(27:44):
Uh so when when you gets startcoming, you're you start going to
church, right, that's happening likeright before you get married. You get
married. At this point though,being ten years ago, you're already several
years into you your voice acting career. Yeah, You're you're being given parts,
You're you're doing things. How doesdid you go to school for any

(28:07):
of that? I went to Iwent to school for talking about that.
Yeah, I went to to TCexcellent rendition of a pig, and I
just I just started thinking of dothey have classes for like today, We're
going barnyards? Okay, everyone,barnyard animals? One of one George George
Dave had you just always been goodwith voices. I don't know as a

(28:34):
as a kid. It's a greatpig. Yes, freaking naw, he
just watched you. I played withmy voice a lot as a kid,
and and I was We are ofthe generation where at least I'd like to
think we lived in a kind ofa rural community in California when I was

(28:59):
growing up, and there wasn't muchto entertain yourselves with. There was not
cartoons on all day long, youknow, you had to wait for them,
yeah, till Saturday morning. Ifyour parents had cable and they had
you know, Nickelodeon, then occasionallyyou got those daytime stuff. But you
made your own fun. I rememberpart of my own fun was doing radio
DJ stuff with my my play schoolcassette tape thing. Oh yeah, and

(29:25):
you could record and had a littlemicrophone on it and I'd be like,
and now the two shack, I'dsing the songs and I would do the
DJ thing jack And then I rememberwith the yak back where you get like
to record fifteen seconds and then itwould look that, Yeah, that brings

(29:45):
it back. I remember the yacback. The yact back was one of
my favorite toys growing up. It'slike that they act back. And I
think Tomagotchi was around the same time. Oh yeah, how about that little
robot. Did you guys ever havehim? I don't remember the name,
but it's so a robot. Hehad a microph, he talked. I
do remember that. He was silverand had the little thing that came out.
And then there was Teddy ruck Spin. Oh yeah, good old Teddy.

(30:07):
Yeah I had. I had abig bird that you could put cassettes
up. It's chloaca. That's calledI believe the scientific term that is that
is the correct term, yet isthe chloacas? Job than You navigated those
waters very well? Yeah, thatwas really quickly too, more than I
would have. Wow, it wasa good day. Like I'm firing on

(30:30):
all cylinders today. No, theyeah, you put it, but I
would remember I would put like Iwould put, like, my favorite band
as a kid growing up was OengoBoeingo. I was creed little known band,
but everybody knows Danny Elfman, right, you know from night that was
his That was his rock band,and I was obsessed with him as a

(30:51):
kid. Yeah, I just lovedhim. They broke up in nineteen ninety
five and it was devastating. Anyways, I would put Oo Boingo in Big
Bird and you'd have like, youknow, him saying like from my heart
and my head, people understand myinvention. That is interesting. You said,
uh, that you play with yourvoice when when you say that,

(31:12):
that's typically this. When I thinkabout it, I do. I feel
like I do that all the time. That I'll be by myself or around
a bunch of people and I'll sayno, I'll just I'll just be saying
nothing or saying things that have nocontext, and I'll get a lot of
what are you doing? God?No, No, I don't know pay
it that's what that is. Ithink it is a it's They say that

(31:33):
it's one of those things that addpeople do. And like I said,
I was never like I knew Ihad officially diagnosed with it. I don't
mean either the same, but itwas like I think we all. I
talked to him about getting on medicinefor it, even before I got diagnosed.
Yeah, it's one of those thingswhere so I've heard so many people
and I'm sure you guys are inthe same boat. They're like so many

(31:53):
people are like, well everybody,essentially everyone in this generation has it in
some form, and like now itputs you on on certain parts of the
spectrum now and now there's no ADHD. Now there's only add and and all
this stuff. That's about it.That what happened? That just weird people?
Yeah, right, so that's that'spart a little. But there's this

(32:15):
he has a condition. Yeah,there was this I get to be a
victim, this neurologist who was talkingabout it, and he goes Essentially,
however you want to frame it,it's all coping mechanisms that when we were
around, you know, our ourparents who were stressed, especially whenever we
were younger, that we were thefirst generation that grew up in front of

(32:36):
television. They're like, our parentsreally didn't because TVs. You know,
my my parents are in their earlysixties, like they they maybe had a
TV in the house. But therewas only one right and it was and
that was it. And so likeour generation was the first one to kind
of get put in front of oftelevisions where we were growing up, we
were exposed to those things at ayoung age. There was programming that was

(32:59):
designed for us, and so liketalking in voices and doing those kind of
things to entertain ourselves was part ofa coping mechanism. Now, the Street
syndrome, uh pot and the differentcharacters, well yeah, I mean,
but but that you would have SesameStreet. You would also have to throw
you know, he Man and theMasters of the Universe and those guys in

(33:20):
there, and the early yeah,the fred Wolf version of the Ninja Turtles
that was in the late eighties andearly nineties, Like all of those would
would be in there where we interactedwith a bunch of different characters versus you
know, the the Mister Rogers rightwhere it was one guy who was doing
the puppets and you knew that itwas his voice and all of that and

(33:40):
it was kind of his world.Wait that was his voice. Yeah,
oh yeah, yeah, Daniel theLion is actually friend. Yeah, so
character voice, good job, I'mthe King Friday. But what's what's so
about him in particular is that kidsconnected with him just because like the genuine

(34:05):
nature of it, we didn't haveoutside of the reruns of his show.
We didn't have that. Like thestuff that we connected with was whether or
not we connected with the story thatthe characters were going through, or we
like the colors or whatever else,and so we glombed onto those things.
And this particular neuroscientist was like,you know, it's a d D is
less about a blanket diagnosis and moreabout like what our individual coping mechanisms were

(34:30):
when we were a kid because ourparents were stressed out and they set us
in front of the television. Wasit watching the screen or was it creating
our own world in order to tryto escape everything else that was happening.
Like that's that's pretty fascinating to kindof think of him, to dive down
that rabbit hole, because when youwhen you talk about like you know,

(34:51):
working on your voice or playing withyour voice, like that was that was
part of it. The imaginary worldthat we came up with, our action
figures, the comic books and thingsthat we used to write are all,
you know, sort of similar partsof the same thing. Yeah, we
used to. So when we playedas kids, I remember, I mean
I grew up in several different partsof the West Coast, you know,
southern California, northern California, Washington, and Arizona. And I remember when

(35:12):
we played as kids, though,we would always emulate either the cartoons or
the video games that we were introducedto, and we we would play or
jeez, this is bringing back memoriesfrom the second grade. I remember we
played Saved by the Bell. Yeah, and I remember we played of course
Power Rangers, right, but Ido remember playing Saved by the Bell and

(35:37):
it's like, and I remember,oh, I was devastated because the girl
that I liked was playing Kelly.And this is how this is how devastated
it was. I remember the dangnames of the second graders thirty years ago.
Yeah, Katie Hosterman, Danny Hansen. She's like, I want Danny

(36:00):
to play Zach and I was like, you play Slater and I said,
I am not Slater. I willnot play Slater. I will there will
be two Zack's. I will beone of them. It's pretty he will
be the other. Thankfully they didn'tmake me play Screech at least got the

(36:24):
Slaters. Yes, Slaters. Imean, Zach was always the cool kid,
but Ac Slater kind of had hisown thing. There's there's a there's
a He was the consolation prize ofnineties hunk though, you know, no
no doubt, but he also feltway more secure with himself than Zach did.
Zach is terrible. I don't know. There was a lot of episodes

(36:45):
where I just remember Slater being kindof a kind of a whimp, especially
when it came with the Riz throwback. Speaking of I did want to talk
about that. I know we mayhave we may have the derail just a
second time. Loved. Last week, we took a trip to Branson everywhere.

(37:12):
On our way to Branson, westopped at a brewery in Springfield,
Missouri, great little brewery. Andwhile I'm sitting there sipping my double hopped
I PA or whatever it was,I get the news that Paul Rubens had
passed away. And I don't getupset about celebrity deaths. I've never been

(37:39):
upset about a celebrity death. HeathLedger was a little jarring for me.
I think I remember that that onewas like that, I was like,
oh man, like he had hehad a real big future and you could
have done a lot. But Inever felt so emotionally affected when Paul that
Paul Rubens passed away, and Iwas it was kind of shocking to me

(38:01):
to feel that way. And I'msitting there and my wife's like, are
you okay, I'm like, Idon't think so. Like I had to
text my friend Danny. Uh,and dude, he was so funny.
He was he was the guy.Danny and I have shared a lot of
our love for Peewee and The BigAdventure, and like we had quoted those

(38:22):
movies. Uh, my wife isshe's a Napoleon Dynamite quoter. Sure,
like everything Apoleon Dynamite. I likePee's Big Adventure. Dumb and Dumber are
the two dumb and dumber biggest likequotable movies. And you know that we
always so. And then he cameout with that movie not not too recently,

(38:42):
The Peewee's Big Holiday a few yearsago. And did you see him
on Reno nine on one? Yes, Oh gosh, so so brilliant.
Yeah, he's the father of theweird roller skating guy. Yeah. Yeah.
He also played FBI invest a gatoror something. I think he had
a couple of characters. Yeah,yeah, he's one. I think he

(39:05):
ends up being the killer too.There's a great role he plays in a
in a little little known movie fromthe nineties featuring Jason Alexander called Dunstan checks
In yep, where he plays anexterminator and he is trying to exterminate He's
brilliant, brilliant trying to exterminate it. Checks In was such an underrated movie.

(39:29):
We watched that so many times.Also, it was I think we
broke it. Also another word thatgets said wrong. Not a great breast,
you know, Peewee's Big Adventure,Mats and Breakfast yep. Uh.

(39:54):
The only celebrity that I had thatI heard about that really affected me was
Norm McDonald. Yeah, well thatwas another one too, But I think
Norm was he was out of thespotlight long enough. I actually started appreciating
him posthumously way more because then hewas he was really good at guarding his

(40:22):
beliefs closeted. Yeah, and hewas unspoken, but he after watching I
just didn't didn't get it at thetime, and then looking back at his
works, brilliant. It's brilliant.Yeah, he was brilliant because he he

(40:43):
just brought the dad jokes and theold vaudevillian humor. I love that.
Oh, there's some really good onesthat he's the only other one that's like
him nowadays is Shane Gillis. ShaneGillis, I need to know. I've
been watching He's He's not like buthe's he's the same. He's well.
And one of the things I think, going back to the Paul Rubens stuff

(41:05):
that is so interesting is so whenwe had Michael Uselin on a few weeks
ago, who's the executive producer forlike every bat He bought the rights to
Batman in nineteen seventy nine. He'sbeen the EP for Batman for every iteration
of Batman on television since the sinceseventy nine, so television movies, the
animated stuff. What sold him onTim Burton as the guy to direct Batman

(41:31):
nineteen eighty nine was Pee's Big Adventure. He saw what he did with Pee's
Big Adventure and was like, thisis incredible. The cinematography, the set
design. He was like, thisis our guy. Did you know?
So this is another Paul Rubens thing? This this man so I look at
the character Paul Rubens Peewee obviously hilarious. There was a man behind that,

(41:57):
obviously, And yeah, there wassome tumultuous thing I remember growing up in
the nineties, and he got arrestedfor some indecent exposure And that was a
big thing for us kids, becauseyou're like, oh, Pete had a
weirdo, you know, like totalpetto and you're like, well, you
know, the circumstances we didn't reallyunderstand as kids and kind of makes a
little more sense as an adult.In fact, now he might win an
award for that. Yeah, butit's it was weird that a person who

(42:20):
was doing children's television was caught insuch a furious situation, so to speak,
speaking I know you are, butwhat am I? Anyways, So,
uh, Paul Rubens, yes isproducing Peewee's Big Adventure with Tim Burton,

(42:43):
and they're looking for a person todo the score for the movie.
Yeah, and Paul Rubin says,well, my favorite band right now is
this band out of southern California calledOengo Boingo, and can we get this
guy to do the music for Peewee'sBig Adventure. He's he's unknown, but
his name's Danny Elfman. Yeah,give him a shot. And Danny Elfman,

(43:07):
I think I can't remember where Iheard the story. I think it
might have been in the Nightmare beforeChristmas thing that Netflix did. But basically
Paul Rubens was the reason that DannyElfman had the anniversary the live thing.
I don't know if it's that,it was the I think it was the
movies that made us. Yeah,Danny Elfman didn't know what to do.

(43:30):
He's like, I don't know,I've never written a score before, but
I guess I'll try my hand atit doesn't ye out of the park.
And then Tim Burton's like, we'vegot a career together. And he went
on to do Batman. He wenton to do The Simpsons. He went
on to do every single Tim Burtonmovie ever. Did he do? Uh

(43:51):
Sweeney Todd? That was Sonheim?Okay, because I know that was a
musical that was made for the stagethat was in turn into this movie.
I don't know if he did,like obviously did the music for it.
He might have. He might haveworked as like a conductor for that.
I don't know. We're doing doingarrangements. But that was a little bit
of a different thing. I'm talkingmore like, you know, his original

(44:13):
thing, and he's just got that, he's got that haunting, very carnivalistic.
I don't know. He did incredibledoing the vocals for Jack two Jack
Skellington, so he did the originalsinging vocals and then Prince humperdink is the
guy who did this. I foundvery odd. I would have. I
mean I say I would have.I don't. I'm an idiot. Okay,

(44:37):
well he actually cannon he went.I would have loved to have heard
his version. They had it fromwhat I understand, they recorded him and
did the whole thing, and itwas just like Darth Vader. It's like,
you know, you're a great singer, but you're probably like you're no
actor. Yeah, you know,so he had it's kind of like Darth
Vaders, like you're really huge andyou look in the soup, but we're
gonna bring in James you ol Jones. He ended up playing the one of

(44:59):
the little kids, Barrel, There'sLuck, Luck, Shock and Barrel.
He played the little kid and PaulRubens played and Catherine. So maybe interweb
of connection, but like Paul Ruben'sjust meant the world to my youth and
my kids are at now home thisweek going through Peewee's Playhouse episode by episode,

(45:23):
and man talk about a show thatis like so good and so relevant,
Like you need to go watch itif you haven't watched it recently,
because you watch it and I rememberwatching it as a kid and thinking this
is silly and fun. I watchedit as an adult now and there's so
many moments where Paul Ruben's just almostdrops character and he's talking to the kids

(45:49):
like an adult like and he getsfrustrated with them. And you see these
moments in Peewee's Playhouse where you're like, oh, that is not for kids.
That's totally yeah, that's that's anadult joke snuck in. I think
it's the reason why my mom didn'tlove it. What what did what did
missus Pinker think about it? Aboutpee Wee's Playhouse anything? I guess Yeah,

(46:13):
yeah, she was not the biggestfan of it. Yet neither was
Majon. Yeah, it was veryirreverent for the time. Oh for sure,
because it started I mean obviously weknow Peewe's started on I believe it
was on Broadway or doing a showand it was a joke. The Kid's
Show was a joke of a kid'sshow likes Doutfire, Yeah yeah, and

(46:34):
it wasn't supposed to be really akid's show, but it ended up turning
into a kid's show and got cleanedup and whatever. But the first one
was definitely like an adult show forkids, like made up to be a
kid's show. But there was justwhat we watched this moment where he like
literally just yells at this kid lastnight during an episode and just like reads
him up and down, just like, you know, I don't know,

(47:00):
I can't remember the kid's name was. He's like, well, Fernando,
that's a really dumb idea. Idon't know what we're gonna do, really,
Fernando, Really you're gonna wash yourhands in the sink. You don't
need to use soap. I don'tknow, I don't know the voices spot

(47:20):
on whatever he was saying. Hewas just giving it to this little Yeah,
he was just like this kids justlike looking at him like, sorry,
dude, that is pretty funny.Yeah, there's there's there's a couple
of other like psychedelic moments sure too. That and then all the cartoons,
the Penny cartoons were something that Irealized. Do you remember the Penny Remember

(47:44):
the Penny cartoons? So I rememberwatching them as a kid and not thinking
very much of it. They werejust kind of silly little vignettes. They
were done in claymation. This girlnamed Penny who had two eyes as pennies,
and that had nothing to do withher at all. Yeah, it
was just But I realized after watchingseveral episodes with my kids, what they

(48:05):
would do is they would just putsome random young like five, six,
seven year old girl on a microphoneand they would say, all right,
tell us a story, and thegirl would tell us stories like last night
I had dreamed about mermaids and wewent down to the ocean and they ate
a bunch of mermaid food and Ihad hot dogs and casseroles and tacos and

(48:30):
just like this random stream of consciousnessfrom like a five year old, six
year old, eight year old girlwhatever. And then they would dub it
and then they would animate it,and I thought, this is genius.
Why is this not currently produced rightnow? This would be an incredible that
sounds like axe cop yeah, alittle bit the way we got axe cops.

(48:50):
Yeah. So The short story isthe writer of axe Coop ethan icicle,
had a brother who was about twentyyears younger than him, goes for
Christmas visiting family. He's a hecreates a bunch of web comics. He
decides he's gonna play with his littlebrother, and his little brother has a
bunch of toys who that he's brokenapart. One of them is a police

(49:12):
officer who has an ax. Theyplay axe Cop throughout this whole weekend,
and he was like, this wouldmake a great web comic, and so
he writes down the stories that hislittle brother is telling him and then throws
it online and within a week itgoes viral and turned into a huge comic
book, and then Yeah was ashow on FX for two seasons. Nick

(49:36):
Offerman voiced axe Cop and Paton Oswaldwas part of it. Like turns into
this huge thing. Yeah, anaxe Cop rides a Tyrannos hource Rex that
has machine gun arms because it's allout of the imagination of a five year
old. Yeah, and his olderbrother's just animating on and it is so
violent. It's like one of themthe most that's a little Yeah, because
this a little boy and they're like, all right, what's Axe Cop do?

(49:58):
He chops his head off off,yeah, and then he explodes it
on the ground. Yeah, yeah, pretty much with this, but yeah,
yeah exactly, and what are theydoing? You know, what are
they gonna do? Now? Thet rex jumps to the moon, and
it's only when you take it seriousand animated there becomes horrifying. Yeah,
exactly, Like when you're talking aboutyou're like, oh, yeah, that's
funny, but like when all ofa sudden, when it comes to life,
like no, no, I needa lot more blood. This is

(50:21):
actually a tv M A coming outof the imagination of this five year old
just because of because the gore.One of the things as far as like
the character goes, it's the funniestis his Axe Cops sidekick is Flute Cup,
which was what Ethan got to bebecause his brother had a recorder and
he was like, He's like,do I have a cool person that I

(50:43):
get to me? And he's like, you get to be Flute Cop and
just hands in the recorder. Sothat was his character. But anytime Flute
Cop got the blood of one ofhis enemies on him, he turned into
that thing. So Flute Cop thenbecomes avocado cop because they get into a
food fight at a market and like, all of this is ridiculous stuff that

(51:04):
had to be you know, drawnin animated, But it is. It's
that the purity of that, theimagination. Man, kids, I mean,
we're going to get into this nowbecause this isn't a very important thing
for me. Is is letting mykids have an imagination and letting them just
go with it. Now, there'sa healthy way to do that. There's

(51:30):
an unhealthy way to do that,because you know, but man, we
I feel like we grew up inthe era of stupid kids. Yeah,
Like I remember my dad's say,a stupid kid. You know, you're
a stupid kid. Yeah, Likewhat do you know? Oh, you
think you know everything? Like,well, no, I don't. Just

(51:52):
the mysteries of the universe. Yeah, but I don't think we pay enough.
Well I know, I pay prettygood attention to my kids, but
I think as a whole, asa culture, we're not listening to the
kids enough. Yeah, we thinkwe should listen to Greta Thunber. No,
she's not a kid anymore, she'sa teenage that's true. I'm talking
about the kids. I'm talking aboutthe five year olds the six year olds,

(52:15):
like, mate, you know that'sa slippery slope because you know,
we can be listening to them toomuch. And I was gonna say,
yes, yeah, there is thereis this balance, like when when you're
between your kids trying to make well, when when your kid is talking about
the life changing decisions that they maybe that's not encouraged to make, or

(52:37):
talking about like that's yeah, that'snot it. But listening right, but
listening to your kid whenever they're talkingabout about mixing pretty colors, right,
or when they're talking about the thingsthat happened in their day and there's like
an obvious embellishment, or when they'rejust they're coming up with a story like
the reason that these other things happenin my estimation from a pastoral perspective and
from a counseling perspective, and allthese things that get to be part of

(52:59):
is because that's the way they getmom and Dad's attention. Is that mom
and dad didn't like my story thatI told about the police officer with with
the acts. They didn't like mystory about the mermaid. Uh, maybe
they'll like I think it stifles thatcreativity. Yeah, for sure. When
you when my kids come up withsome crazy stuff, and there's sometimes that

(53:22):
I want to listen to it.There's sometimes that I don't, but I
always have to consciously go, youknow, no, stop hear the story,
read the poorly written comic. Whateverit is, can engage, love
it, cherish it. Because you'resixteen year old's not going to be doing

(53:43):
that. It's it's way there's lifebecomes way too literal for them, I
think, way too early, becauseI we're gonna start caring about dumb football.
Oh man, We've we've had somemarchings girls, these kids. We
this is I'm gonna derail again slightly, but it's the same thing. I
love it continue. I used todo anime conventions, go to anime conventions,

(54:06):
and one of my favorite convention memoriesthere's a backstory to it too,
but we hosted a dating advice paneland it was called Uri on Ice Dating
Advice, and Uri on Ice atthe time was a very popular cartoon.
I had to deal with figure skatingand it was the first cartoony kind of

(54:34):
It was the first anime I thinkthat was so widely spread that that had
a homosexual relationship in it and andkind of glorified that whole thing. Did
guess that, Yeah, based offof the on ice. Yeah, So
I I am hosting this panel withwith a with another voice actor, and

(54:59):
this the voice actor is h he'sa conservative man as well, but he's
also in a homosexual relationships. He'sgay, and I'm obviously not. I
am a straight white, you know, Christian guy. This guy's uh,
he was Asian. And so wehad like two kind of like really interestingly

(55:20):
contrasting viewpoints on dating. And weopened up this this question questions to these
kids. And we're talking kids fromlike twelve years old to you know,
college age kids that are interested inanime. And we're getting lots of,
you know, fun questions, andthen we get some darker questions that were
like all right, you know.And then and then these kids take it

(55:40):
upon themselves. He's like eleven,twelve, thirteen, fourteen year olds to
this and this was probably seven yearsago. They take it upon themselves to
start identifying themselves and their and theirsexuality to us. And so they'll stand
up and they'll be like, myname is so, and so I'm thirteen
years old and from here and Iidentify as a blah blah blah blah blah.

(56:04):
You know, I identify as thisgender or identify as this sexuality or
whatever. And I'm getting a littleuncomfortable with it because I'm like, we're
getting into this like territory here,Like we're just talking about silly dating advice
here, we're not really you know, And how do you know when a
girl likes you? Yeah, yeah, that's a great question, or like

(56:27):
do you pay for the first meal? Or like what is your what are
your thoughts on? Those were thethat was the intention. Then it went
this route, and it was thebeauty of it was it wasn't me.
It was the other person with me, who was completely completely different beliefs than
I did about dating and courtship whatnot. Who was like, stop, you

(56:52):
guys are twelve. You guys arethirteen. You guys are needing to identify
as kids right now. You canidentify as a kid, You can identify
somebody who doesn't know you. Donot need to be putting this on you.
And he said that, and Ithought, all right, I'm glad
you did, because I didn't.I didn't have to. And I truly
believe that like what happened to kidsjust identifying as confused stupid kids? It's

(57:16):
okay, it's okay, you know, it's okay to not know. And
that's part of the great things oflife is growing and learning. And so
at the end of this whole panel, we had parents coming up to us,
and I think this was this wasjust the beginning before things got really
crazy with all that, because Idon't remember it being it was just kind

(57:39):
of starting this whole identity movement andthe sexual identity movement, especially when it
came to kids. And we hadparents coming up to us in tears,
just saying thank you guys for beingso honest with these kids and just letting
them be kids and encouraging them tobe kids. They say, one of
them said that we sent our daughteroff to summer camp and she was she

(58:01):
had no clue about any of this, and she comes home just completely inundated
with all these thoughts and things thatshe's just not even ready for. And
here she is talking about, youknow, she's identifying as this right now,
and we know that it's hope,it's just a phase, and it's
like, you know, whatever.But we had these parents that were just

(58:23):
like they were overwhelmed with it andnow it's it can be scary out there.
Well, we're we're in a placewhere I think it's finally appropriate to
ask this question, is it isa scary place out there for kids?

(58:44):
We've talked about some things offline abouthow your faith has impacted not just the
characters that you decide to pick,but also the way that you view the
industry that you're a part of.What what do you see now when you

(59:06):
when you go to cons positively negativelyas as a voice actor, I see
a lot of people who a lotof when I see the youth, I'll
talk speak of the youth first,because you see a mix of people at
these conventions. I see a lotof kids that are just craving to be

(59:30):
a part of something, and theyhave their fandoms and that they are a
part of and their fandom families,and I see a lot of them having
grown up as a kid who wasbullied in school a lot, mostly because
I was the new guy. Soyou know, if I did anything weird

(59:51):
as the weird new guy because wemoved around a lot, but I still
I was I was slight. Iwasn't athletic. I didn't have, you
know, great looks. I gotbullied a lot. So I see these
kids and identify with that, withwith you know, Colum, with you
willdern than nerds, dweeds, geeks, goofies, whatever, and what I

(01:00:14):
think has happened. And this isjust my thought on it. There's no
science to back to back it up. But I think it's an identity that
allows them to be protected, especiallywhen it comes to the sexuality thing,
because it's like, well, youcan hate me for liking this type of

(01:00:37):
anime, or you can not likeme because I don't like that, or
you can think I'm weird because Idress a certain way. But all of
a sudden, now you can't sayanything to me to hurt my feelings because
I am identifying as whatever. Yeah. In fact, you have to be
nice to me, yeah yeah,And you have to celebrate me and you

(01:00:59):
have to make so it's like it'salmost like I can't be normal because if
I'm normal, I could be vulnerablem hm. Instead, I'm going to
be not normal or whatever, andI'm protected and you can't say anything.
So I see that a lot withwith with the youth, and I man

(01:01:22):
That's a fascinating thing because when youthink about it too, like people will
run to their of all age groupswill run to their protection, whereas just
being associated with well we'll still buteven just being associated with like one of
these fandoms, right then then thatdoes kind of put a target on your

(01:01:43):
back when you're at school. Heartbreakingthing is it is short term. Yeah,
if you make physical changes and thoseare forever, yeah, yeah,
they can be well yeah to shoreup. Yeah, but that that idea
that it's a protective thing, it'sreally interesting. It makes sense to me
because I remember, uh, lookingat those anime kids in high school and

(01:02:08):
thinking, well, at least I'mnot them, right, you know,
you know, having that sort oflike come up and so at least,
well, at least I'm not anerd that's got my nose in a Japanese
dictionary all day learning word. Yeah, there's nothing wrong reading that backwards?
And what are dragon balls? There'snothing wrong with that at all, and
it's and it's good and and Ijust you know, I wish that culture

(01:02:30):
grew with them so that they couldfeel safe in doing that and not be
bullied and not have to feel likethey had to go another direction to not
to be protected, because I thinkthat's that's at least what I've seen a
lot of is it's they're they're cravingacceptance, they're craving security, probably because

(01:02:52):
they don't have it at home.And I really don't think it comes out
of wanting attention. I think itjust comes out of wanting acceptance and relevance.
And I think protection is a reallyinteresting word. Yeah, And I
do. I find it interesting thatyou you would see that because you've you've

(01:03:15):
been in the industry now for overtwenty years, and especially when it comes
to areas where you're seeing youth change, like that's that's it. But the
people that were coming twenty years agoare now almost in their forties. Yeah,
right, And so if this isthe changes you've seen in the youth,

(01:03:37):
what's the change that you've seen inthose people who were coming to convengeance
when you were seventeen that are nowthey all land in the same spot.
Yeah, the twenty five pluses,Uh, twenty years ago where I think
I'm the same as the ones thatI that I meet now, that's that's
a that's obviously a joke. Butthey the the adult part. I see

(01:04:04):
them bringing their kids, I seethem. You know, they're a lot
more easier to interact with, Ithink because they're like, oh, man,
like I remember watching the show andnow I'm you know, watching it
with my kid. You know.I think that our generation has done a
lot of that where maybe there wasn'tenough popular culture stuff to share with us

(01:04:25):
from our parents side of things.Was watching SNL with us, you know,
right, but mine did. ButI'm watching Peewe's Playhouse with my sen
David Letterman, and yeah, butthose wouldn't have been things that like we
were as interested in. No,whenever we were growing up. I don't
know, I liked it when Look, when I was a kid, what

(01:04:47):
I would turn on was Comedy Central. Yeah, well I think I'd give
it at the time. Yeah,yeah, this is this, this is
There wasn't a lot of opportunity forthat nostalgia, right because they or if
our dads wanted to watch, well, if our dads wanted to watch the
cartoons that they grew up with,they weren't making the VHS box sets very

(01:05:10):
well. Well yeah, but therealso wasn't like I mean, if you
were to think of if you wereto put an entire season of let's just
look at Ninja Turtles, right,something that we grew up with twenty three
episodes of that on VHS. It'sit'd be thirty tapes, yeah, right,
because you're having to go through allthat, and then when DVDs came
that was easier, and now withstreaming, I think it's a lot easier
for us to share some of that. Also been thirty weeks of watching one

(01:05:33):
episode a week, but oh yeah, yeah for sure. Like I remember
looking at uh, boy Meets World, one of my favorite shows of all
times. We haven't got into thatbecause that is a huge part of my
life. In fact, I dofeel like boy It's World is somewhat of
a prophetic that's I could almost getthat word up. I don't know what

(01:05:59):
it is, but it's like,if you're dealing with something bad in your
life, you're having a hard day, and you plug in just a random
episode of Boy Meets World, thechances they will bring it up, that
they are going to bring up yourspecific issues when you watch that. And
it's happened for me several times whereI'm like this is two, this is

(01:06:20):
this is how God speaks to me. For this show three boats, World
speak to me, Corey, Yeah, but how did God speak to you
this week? Well? Colossians andBoy meets World those for the two Oh
my gosh, and and Pastor Micah. Yeah yeah, but the the notion
with the there's also this blend atthese conventions with adults and kids, and

(01:06:45):
I think that's where these mature themeskind of come out. These I keep
leaning out of friends. I thinkit's mad. I get so comfortable and
I'm just like, out of kids. Kids want to be adults, right,
yeah, Kids want to grow up, they want to sound smart,
they want to sound adult, andI think that's where they get hooked because
this sexuality is huge in anime,and it's it's to the point where it's

(01:07:12):
just very uncomfortable at times. Sofor instance, my character present Mike.
Have you guys heard of ships?You know what ships are? When people
talk about ships, No, it'sa it's a you know, it's not
a boat. It's it's a it'sa relationship between characters. So of course
when we were kids, we grewup with like Burton, Ernie rend and
Stimpy, those types, and maybethat one kid and the group is like

(01:07:36):
you know, rend and Stimpy aregay, right right, And you're like,
Burton Ernie aren't just roommates? Yeah, And you're like what no,
like back then what nowever? No? And like well no, just like
think about it, and then you'relike, well, I guess you could
have a couple of points, butyou know, come on, like they

(01:07:56):
never say people that are like Batmanand Robert are going to turn everybody gay.
Well. The thing that's happening inthe anime community a lot with these
shows is they'll take characters, especiallyin shows like like My Hero Academia or
you have all these different characters thathave different traits and very specific traits,
quirks and quirks and looks and demeanorsand stuff. It's all very two dimensional

(01:08:17):
character character work. Occasionally at thirddimension gets slipped in there with everybody like
comments on it and like, ohmy gosh acting, how dare ye?
For the most part, these thesethese characters are pretty too dimentional. So
these these kids, and I dothink adults are involved in this too.
They they ship these characters together andthey'll say, oh, so and so

(01:08:41):
is in love with this character,much like we would have with like cat
Dog or or South Park did that? Did they do an episode on ships
where they did a tweak and somebodythey were forced together? They didn't want
to be, but they were.They were drawn all these cartoons and they
were put together and and it wenton from long time. So my character
present Mike, his foil is likeor I shouldn't say foil, but like

(01:09:05):
his straight man is Izawa, andall these kids are like, oh,
present Mike and Isawa are gay.I'm like, it's not written in the
script, an Costello or gay.It's well, you're Laurel and Hardy,
you know, it's not written inthe script. It's not written in the

(01:09:26):
story. It's all secondary fan theoryabout about it. And is it the
end of the world that if theyare they're not. No, it actually
has nothing to do with the showwhatsoever. But the fact that it's gotten
so big with these assumptions of charactersexualities, or the fact just the sheer
fact that we have the sexualized cartooncharacters is like that just screams to me

(01:09:47):
as like we've got we've got abig issue here. Yeah, I mean
this is this is supposed to beinnocent stuff. We don't need to bring
that here. And of course ifI speak against that, you know I'm
homophobic and whatever, which I'm not. But I am for keeping stuff like

(01:10:09):
my hero Acadaemia and and in goodshows that are good shows for kids.
They're they're no, I wouldn't callthem super wholesome, but they're at least
they're positive, they're innocent. Yeah, and keep it, keep it like
that. I need to bring theagenda, like the unnecessary agendas. Keep
Yeah, we got no agenda here. We're just doing Heaven for a good

(01:10:30):
show for kids. And you justwant to be able to scream and knock
down buildings without other people assuming whetheror not you did it as gay one
And you know, if you seeyourself in the character, that's one thing.
And if it helps you through thingsI've had, I've had a lot
of great kids come to me whoare struggling with with sexuality and and reach
out to me with uh as fansof present Mike, and I'm I'm like,

(01:10:53):
you know, I'm there for you. You know, I get it's
a hard time, and you're there. They're confused and they're they're trying to
parse through it and make sense fortheir own and I don't know it's it's
at the end of the day.I kind of always just go back to,
hey, let's let's just keep itinnocent and remember that we can identify

(01:11:14):
as kids no matter how old youare. Just yeah, I mean,
I look fondly back on in that. In fact, that's one of my
first questions for controlled rowdiness is well, let's let's get into it all right.
One of my first questions. Wewe end all of our segments TROSCO
with a little segment we call gotto do the intro controlled rowdiness. This
is just series of rapid fire questionswhich you can answer with a shorter as

(01:11:36):
long as an answers you would liketo expect nothing from us by way of
reply response and to get us going, I'm gonna send it over to General
Greece. Uh, Biker mice fromMars or Bumping the night? Bumping the
night? Which one do you rememberfrom your childhood? There you go,
There you go, n show,mister Feenie or mister Rogers, Mister freaking

(01:11:56):
George Feenie. Are you kidding me? That? Man? William Daniels I,
I have been so tempted. Ihave had it pulled up on my
cameo so many times one hundred andfifty dollars, and I just want that
is there not like a like abackdoor on cameo because you're on Cameo.
I am, and I wish cameoto cameo another person. But I can

(01:12:18):
use mine. I can use mycameo funds to pay for another cameo.
Here you go. Do you geta discount? No, no, there's
no discount. But anyways, likeGeorge Feeney, what would you ask him
to say? I would ask himfor advice, okay, but I unfortunately

(01:12:38):
have watched so many of his cameosthat he just gives the same advice.
If it's like I'll tell you that, I'll leave advice that I left Korean
bankop or whatever it was. Ilove you all. I just want.
I want to be friends with WilliamDaniels. I want I want him to
be like my next door noble tounderstand hang out with. Yeah, I

(01:13:00):
want. I want to teach youlessons, mister Feenie. I want you
want came over. I'm going tostudy your Latin today. Whatever. I
don't know what. I don't likethat friendly, I don't do it good.
George f person name. I don'teither, but now he that character
has meant so much for My son. Actually goes to school and there's a

(01:13:23):
teacher there whose last name Miss Poenie. But she's a girl the same.
I'm pretty sure that she's pretty annoyedwith me because every time I see I'm
like, and I don't know ifshe's old enough to know what I'm talking
about, because she's like, oh, boy, that's that's weird when you're

(01:13:44):
younger than you are. Dad keepscoming up to me and he keeps on
calling me by my last name.I hope WEIRDO. Alright, I'm sorry,
Voltron Transformers, Power Rangers, PowerRangers, and I am the Red
Ranger unless Danny Hansen's playing the RedRanger, and then I have to be
the White Ranger, which means noGreen Ranger. If you're the White Ranger.

(01:14:05):
Well, the Green Ranger was kindof a didn't It wasn't the no
because the Green Ranger turned into theWhite Ranger. I thought, that's what
I'm saying. If you're the WhiteRanger, then that means there is no
Green Ranger. There is no moreGreen Ranger. Yeah. Green Rangers probably
my my first uh yeah Ranger.Oh she was party Oh yeah, I

(01:14:29):
just I remember having a show withparties. She's do some kicks and Canadian.
I know she's Canadian. Yeah,Amy Joe Osbourne Osborne, I don't
know Amy Joe Jensen. Amy JoeJensen Jensen sounds right. I just got
to meet the Power Rangers I met. I met Austin Saint John, who
was the original Red Ranger, andsomebody else who was it. Oh,

(01:14:55):
I met. I met the ladywho played Rita really Rita Repulse. I
met her at a convention. Iknew Austin Saint John, but then I
was talking to him and this guywalks up and kind of a little ragamuffin
looking scraggly dude comes up and hewas one of the celebrities too, and
I didn't know who he was.And the handler that I had just goes,

(01:15:17):
oh, that's Thomas Nicholas. Igo, who the heck is that?
She was Rookie of the Year,you know, Henry Rowan Gardner.
And I was like, oh mygosh, you and he goes, yeah,
yeah, it's man. I'm like, no, you don't understand,
man, Like I love I lovethat, and kid in King Arthur's court.
He goes, yeah, yeah,Well, the two of us ended

(01:15:38):
up going to Top Golf. Weplayed Top Golf all night long, me
and this Thomas Nicholas guy, andit was just like two peas in a
pod man. We were just cuttingit up and just having a good time.
It was like the most down toearth dude. I'm like, you
topped golf with rookie of the YearTop Golf. Yeah, of course,
he's where he got the last onein is tossed it up. I never

(01:16:01):
had had that experience with a witha like an actual like celebrity that I
actually knew and was like, oh, man, like we could have been
friends back in the day. Areyou friends now? I wouldn't text him,
No, I've texted him a coupleof times back and forth, and
we've he's responded, and he comesinto Dallas occasionally to do some shows.

(01:16:26):
He definitely plays the Henry row andGardner and then the American Pie thing,
which he was He was in that. But I'm sure if he came and
I was like, hey, rememberme from that, he probably would.
But who was he an American Pie? He was the guy that was dating
Mina serventy. Okay, so hewas that was his girlfriend or but maybe

(01:16:47):
he was Tara Reid's boyfriend. Ican't remember he was. If we had
internet, I could tell you,but we don't. It's the short,
dark, dark hair, curlyish Italianlooking guy. That's not Andy. What
does that guy's name no, JasonBiggs Biggs, Yeah, he's not him.

(01:17:11):
Here you go. He's the otherguy. Jason Biggs is Jewish too.
I'm sorry you said short or long? And we went along. Our
final question is, even though Rookieof the Year may not be your friend,
will you be our friend? DaveTrosco? Great question, Absolutely well,
there you have it, our friendDave Trosco. Yeah, thanks so
much for being on the show againmany thank you guys. We're gonna have

(01:17:34):
to do this again because every timeyou start talking, I feel like we
should just chat for three hours insteadof like limiting this to an our night.
Really do and I want to followup on more things that we were
talking about. We mentioned I mentionedbump on the night. You knew what
it was. We have to talkabout that. I would say scary stories
to tell him the dark would wouldoh yeah, would would precede that back

(01:17:56):
or mice from Mars. They're actuallybringing that back though, Well we'reandy show.
But I was gonna say, quickplug the Fall Dinner series for the
speaking Society still Pokemon, Pokemon isthis August. We're doing the canned air.
We are doing the canned air.Yes, And I talked about it,
and I said, genius idea.We're doing the canned air. We

(01:18:16):
are doing the canned there. It'sgonna be canned. It's gonna be scented
like probably garlic and rosemary or I'mbeautiful, dude, you could sell that.
I know so many women I'm gonnabuy it that would buy scented air.
Yeah, I don't know about thatanyways. The Halloween Dinner, I
am going to be basing it offof scary stories to tell in the dark

(01:18:42):
books. So there's like me tightDody Walker, there's the toe, there's
the slay spiders coming out of herface. It's gonna be a fun,
awesome Okay. So how can peopleregister for that? Uh? Go online?
Go follow Trosco Culinary on Facebook.You can look at Denton County Brewing
Companies website too, or you canlook at Trosco Culinary dot com and see

(01:19:04):
our website. We'll have all theinformation there to sign up for those dinners.
It's a I believe it's one hundreddollars per person per sit. It
is six courses, six beers andruns about three hours. Starts at six
thirty on the Saturday. We havethe side of the actual dates just yet,
but those would be posted soon.So come and dine with us in

(01:19:26):
MS. Oh, there you go. Make sure to check out all of
that stuff in it is show notesas well as where you can follow Dave.
Thank you guys for watching y'all.Let's stay hard, keep jamming.
We'll see YEA. Let's go beyondplus Ultrack
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