OMG... WTH did Inspector Preston say now?!

Preston Kincaid is no stranger to controversy... or to speaking his mind. And in the last episode we talked a bit about his recent comments in favor of content creators "having a villain" in their videos in order to hook attention. So! We figured who better to elaborate on that view than the man himself? This is worth listening to the entire episode, as Inspector Preston shares his journey into becoming a controversial figure in the home inspection industry, emphasizing the importance of authenticity, storytelling, and audience engagement. We even get into the risks and rewards of creating content that pushes boundaries, the significance of building genuine connections with followers, and the balance between drama and education in social media content. And this isn't just a talk about the benefits of engaging content... we get into the cause and effect that contact can have on our businesses in real life, as well as how you're perceived within the real estate industry.

The TLDR:

• Preston has unintentionally become a controversial figure in content creation.
• Authenticity and storytelling are crucial for engaging an audience. 
• Risk and reward must be carefully balanced in content creation. 
• The evolution of content creation can lead to unexpected challenges.
• Engaging with the audience fosters a deeper connection.
• Villains in storytelling can enhance viewer engagement.
• Content should appeal to a broad audience to be effective.
• Attention spans are short, requiring rapid-fire content delivery.
• Building genuine relationships with followers is essential.
• Content should serve the audience, not just the creator.
• The home inspection community is largely supportive and friendly.
• People often bond over heroism and defense against industry bullies.
• Drama can attract viewers, but educational content is equally important.
• Inspectors should encourage clients to attend inspections for better understanding.
• There is a distinction between being a home inspector and a professional consultant.
• Emotional investment in work can lead to better client relationships.
• Navigating controversy requires careful communication and timing.
• Self-reflection is crucial for personal and professional growth.
• Helping clients beyond inspections can build lasting trust.
• Elevating the industry requires collaboration and support among inspectors.

 

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Episode Transcript

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We're gonna cut that part out.

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All right, guys, we have the king of controversy on the show today.
This is going to be awesome.
So kind of a follow up guys, if you if you watch last week's episode with Trey Hill, Matt,we had a very interesting conversation with Trey about what makes for really good content
and basically, uh different different strokes, different folks, different methods,different styles applied to different people.

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But our guest today had a very interesting take.
uh So
You know, Preston, glad to have you on the show,
Yeah, thanks for having me on.
Yeah, definitely.
So Matt, how's everything looking in your world this week, by the way?
Man just been busy, you know inspections training a new guy.
Things are things are insane But yeah, you know, I'm just glad to be here with the man themyth the legend why I get not really a myth I mean Glad to have you here Preston man

(01:09):
Now, so what?
you, Matt.
I haven't seen you since the NACHI conference in Florida, so good to see you again, man.
Yes, sir.
Likewise.
Yeah, we all had a little bit to drink there down at the the NACHI conference as we aswe're prone to do, which actually kind of leads us right into our drink of the day because
I really want to get into what what we're all here to talk about, which is stuff Prestonsays.

(01:33):
so Matt, what are you sipping on, man?
man, I am having kind of a, call this like a quick old fashioned, it's not really an oldfashioned at all, but I'm having some wild turkey 101 uh with cherry flavored liquid death
and an orange peel.
And so it's like I'm hydrating and dehydrating all in one.
Cheers.

(01:54):
Hot dog.
Preston, how about you man, what you sippin' on?
All right, I brought the birch beer, but uh it's the unleaded birch beer with a high sugarcontent.
So that's what I'm drinking today.
Fantastic and I am you know, we're we're kind of shooting from the hip a little bit withthis episode Because I mean, know how it is like one more home inspectors

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schedules don't always align.
So when you get your buddies that are able to all sit down and podcast at the same time,we're like, dude, let's get on the air right now.
Right.
So I just grabbed something off the back shelf here, sipping on good old travelers.
We talked about this in a previous episode, which is always a good plug.
Go back and watch if you haven't.
ah But man, long day, long workday, spring season's going, uh going pretty good for youguys.

(02:39):
But
Preston, sounds like uh things have been a little interesting up in your neck of the woodslately in a conversation that we were having on the phone.
Yeah, man, when are they not interesting?
So yeah, you know, I didn't, I didn't realize that I had kind of become the king ofcontroversy.

(02:59):
But uh,
In the best way,
It was sort of unintended, I guess, but yeah.
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff going on locally and nationally, I won't lie, this month hasbeen, it's been interesting.
Now that's cool man.
I well it kind of from what you were telling me before and if you can you can talk aboutas much or as little as you want.

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But ah you know when we were kind of comparing different styles ah I kind of feel likeyou're the voice of reason right other people are educational informative you know some
are the happy fun guy you know Matt has gotten to that good positive energy.
And I feel like you're you've crossed that line.
I don't know if it happened somewhere past 45, where you're just like, I no longer giveany bleeps.

(03:51):
You just you're fine with telling it like it is now.
But
know, it's it's funny because I didn't realize that I was struggling with Being muzzled asmuch as I am and So my whole life.
I've been very unfiltered.
I've been very outspoken from the very beginning I have ah Pretty much just said it likeit is and it's really it's really sad in a way because I Think that we should be more free

(04:21):
to share our opinions even if we disagree with each other
Right?
Like I feel like mature adults and whatever else we ship.
But the problem is when you say stuff that other people disagree with, there's a lot ofpeople in this world that think you instantly have to be enemies.
Oh, Preston said something I disagree with.
he's, you know, use a drone on a roof.

(04:42):
Oh, you know, he's my enemy now.
And it's a very strange dynamic to go, man, five years in, it's like this growing a massof people that are just like, you know, and,
I'm still just over here sharing ideas, sharing opinions, whatever.
And so here I am, I've kind of arrived at, guess I'm the king of controversy.

(05:04):
So know what that reminds me of is like, because people just have this ability that theynever had before.
Just start typing and saying whatever they want, which most of most of which they wouldnever really say in person.
But somebody described it to me one time like this day and age is like, OK, so likebefore, like if you went to a store and you did not like that store, you left the store

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and you just didn't go back to that store because they didn't have anything that they
could really offer, they could offer you or anything.
They didn't have anything that appealed to you.
Now, like the equivalent of what's going on now, like online would be like somebody goinginto that store and you don't like it.
So instead of just leaving and going to another store, you just stand out there on thecurb going, this store sucks.

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Don't go to this store.
They don't have anything good in this store when there's a ton of people that might havetheir own opinion about what's inside that store.
You know, it's an interesting take.
My son and I were just talking about that.
We were talking about the analog equivalent to the online space, right?
You know, and it's funny because it's not just on the controversy side.
It's like, can't even go to a website anymore without like eight pop-ups.

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And I told my son, go, you would never walk into a store and have like eight peoplejumping out with giant signs, you know, stopping you from coming in to spend money.
But you're right.
Like it's not, it's not just that it's like standing outside telling people the storesucks.
And then graffitiing on the wall permanently, this store sucks,
Yeah, it's definitely a weird world we live in when it comes to that kind of stuff.

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I mean, guess it is what it is, know?
uh Bad press is good press.
Any type of attention, I guess?
Yeah, the one, the one thing that I think I have a little luxury that I've got is I'msomewhat of a short timer.
So I'm going to be retiring within the next year or two.
Is that a retirement announcement or does anybody know this?

(06:59):
Did you just announce your retirement?
Well, sort of now when I say retirement, that means, you know, I got a lot of irons in thefire.
got other businesses.
got other things going, you know, Brad knows about some of it.
We got a reality show kind of in the cook and, you know, distilling on the back burnerright now.
You're still gonna be grumpy online for sure.
mean, there's no way you're not retiring.
You're not hanging the hat on that.

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be the grumpy old man.
But here's the thing is like, you know, you can only call out so many contractors beforeyou get your ass sued.
And so I really need to get backed up by a network with network lawyers before we go downthat path.
But, uh, you know, being kind of a short timer in the inspection space, you know, my sonis now taken over.

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Like he's the now that he got licensed and certified.
And so I'm in the transition period of right now of weaning myself out of this businessover the next year or two.
Good luck.
So he's taking it over.
How old's your son, by the way?
think he's the youngest licensed home inspector in the country.
He shadowed me for two years from the age of 16 and he graduated high school at 17.

(08:07):
He had to wait to take the NHIE and get licensed because you have to be 18.
He turned 18 in December, got licensed in January.
I'm just warning you right now, even though he's taken over the business, his stuff willstill stay in your garage long after he's moved out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're actually building in my house right now.

(08:28):
So he and I are teaming up on it.
So yeah
That's cool.
But no, so I mean, you kind of hit on something, which is really the whole reason that wewant to talk here.
You had a video for those of you guys that don't follow Preston, make sure you go checkhim out at Inspector Preston everywhere.
ah But you were kind of talking, it was a little bit of a coaching video about what makesfor good viral video and what people pay attention to what gets views.

(08:53):
And part of that was a suggestion that every view kind of needs to have a villain of somesort, right?
It needs to tell that kind of a captivating story.
And so that was something that we were commenting on last week's episode.
you know, there's a little bit in my mind, there's a little bit of risk and reward there,right?
I mean, you you were joking about the corporate lawyers and stuff, but like, the sametime, you know, when you, when you do have a villain, the villain might sometimes bite

(09:20):
back.
Now is that like,
got two cease and desist letters in the last week and a half from two different lawyers.
You know, like, that's a thing.
You know, you gotta fight with lawyers and you know, it's, people are online.
It's funny because I do lives.
They're like, where's the JKS video?
Where's the, you know, the next video on the contractor series?

(09:42):
And I'm like, I gotta work through some legal stuff first.
It's a thing.
You know, you put content out and.
uh
We're in the midst of cancel culture.
Yeah, I got a question.
go ahead, Brad.
no, no, I was just going to say pivoting off of that.
Like, so where in your mind does the risk reward factor lie?
And at what point do you kind of go out?

(10:02):
Maybe I don't want to push it too far, or maybe, maybe it is worth it because this is astory worth telling.
So here's the interesting thing is like, accidentally got into everything that I'm doingon social media.
None of this was intentional.
ah I'll tell you my very first contractor video, I sort of like fell in it, right?
I got a call from a financial advisor and he said, Hey, I need to hire you to go do aninspection for this elderly lady.

(10:28):
I'm like, great.
Yeah, no problem.
Pay me five, 600 bucks.
I'll go inspect this thing.
But then I'm getting the backstory to it.
Well, there's some contractors that went there and ripped off half of her roof and
You know, the whole thing started at $7,000 and they're up to $88,000 now and her, herdriveway is ripped up.
And I'm like, and I arrived there and like, literally everything's in perfect conditionand none of the work they're telling her needs to be done.

(10:52):
And I fall face first into this whole contractor thing where two videos later, I gotcontractors here at my house threatening my family.
Right?
So there's this weird evolution of how you kind of, once you put it out, it takes on alife of its own.
And then if it goes viral that adds a whole nother it's just like constantly breathinglife into the story, right?

(11:15):
So then you have to do another one and then you're into it.
How many videos did I do on that first one?
I think I was like eight or nine videos.
Yeah.
So like how much like, okay, we talk about having a villain and we talk about like yourperspective on a lot of things.
Like how much of that do you think is driven by the fact that you ins like what you expectthe type of homes you inspect, like you are doing some different stuff than like what

(11:41):
we're doing down here in Texas.
Most of the people I know as a matter of fact, a lot of the stuff you're inspecting iscompletely different than what anybody on the internet is showing.
Yeah, you know, I didn't realize how unique this area was.
When I first started inspecting here, I mean, these are old houses.

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I, about probably 80 % of the inspections I do are homes that are at least a hundred yearsold.
And if I factor in the homes, like it's, really is right around the 90th percentile.
Almost everything that I inspect is like 100 to 200 years old.
And every once in while I get a 300 year old house, like revolutionary war era stuff.

(12:23):
And to me it's normal because I live here.
Right.
But you know, you start looking online and you realize, so when I do my retreat everyyear, there's inspectors that come just for the field trip, because we do a field trip to
an antique or vintage home.
And you see stuff that you just would never see anywhere else.
Right.
And, you know, I saw your video and I saw Trey talking about how my videos were long.

(12:47):
Right.
So.
Again, that was accidental.
I don't know if you guys remember Yuri Batavich, but Yuri, super smart guy, amazinginspector, love the guy, super just nothing but mad love for him.
He had a channel called inspection therapy and he's telling me he's like, dude, you got totarget them for like 60 seconds or less.
And I'm coming out with like eight minute videos on TikTok.

(13:12):
and then.
But my videos were doing numbers like I would get, you know, when I started off, like I'dhit them and get like, you know, sometimes half a million, a million views.
And he's over there with his 60 second videos, sometimes only doing like 10,000 views, buthe was hitting big.
Like he was actually doing bigger numbers than me.
And so I started trying that.
I started doing some shorter content.

(13:33):
I could just never get any traction.
It was almost like the algorithm pigeonholed me into the longer, more educational content.
And every time I tried to veer out of that lane, it would just smack me right back intomy, my little pigeon hole.
It could be that, or it could really be, because I mean, there's a much different likestyle to creating that kind of content.

(13:53):
Like what you're doing can't really be done in short form, you know?
And that, and like, you're not really, um, cause I don't want to say like entertainingisn't the word.
Like Trey was talking about being entertained.
That's not really what I'm looking for.
Like there's not really much in the way of theatrics to what you're doing.
Like there's no doubt.
Like I use that kind of stuff in a lot of my videos, you know, just, I mean not

(14:13):
You know, just just being silly or some type of hook or something like that.
Like you're pretty much just telling things the way it is.
And I think there's a certain realness to it, right?
That I think that's probably what is attracting people.
But at the same time, like it's hard to keep it real and talk for 60 seconds, you know.
I agree, man.

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So there was kind of a little byproduct that happened that I have grown to reallyappreciate.
Right?
Seriously, when I look at my following, I don't treat my, I don't treat my following or mybase like an asset.
I treat them like human beings because I really do generally like genuinely appreciateeverybody there.

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And if you go through my comments, what I get constantly every day is people going,
I learned so much from you.
I learned from your videos.
Your videos helped me buy a home and like it gives my social media purpose and I don'tknow if I would have lasted.
I'm two and a half years in.
I don't know if I'd have lasted this long if I was doing 60 second videos that were justnovelty, right?

(15:15):
I would have got bored after, you know, a year.
I don't know their novelty.
mean, like, I I definitely try to be educational.
I just think that there is a 100 % different approach when you're talking about tellingthis type of story you're telling than to make short videos.
Like, okay, I, uh, when reels first started, they were 30 seconds and, um, and that isreal short, right?

(15:39):
And I was used to, I think at the time, uh, it might've been like,
three minutes or a minute.
was like a, there's a time limit of video that you could put out like on Instagram.
Um, but, but reels came out and it was 30 seconds.
had 30 seconds and that was the only, I think you had 15 or 30 seconds.
Right.
And until they increased that that's what you had.

(16:00):
And that was like the hot ticket.
If you were going to do well, then you were needing to be making reels.
You need to figure out how to make a video that was 30 seconds.
That was entertaining, right.
And educational or whatever position you were taking on it.
And like it was a challenge like for me right then to figure out where I cut everythingdown and condense it.
And what I realized was what I was doing before was I was making videos of things I wouldfind at home inspections.

(16:24):
I'd be like, look, there's this thing and then there's this thing and then there's thisthing and there's this thing.
What I ended up having to do is be like, here's this thing.
And then the next thing is in another video.
You know what I mean?
Get out of my head.
the, here's the really funny thing that I struggled with is if you notice I'm not big onany other platform than Tik TOK, right?
So I couldn't figure out Instagram.

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I just couldn't figure it out because no matter what I did, you know, obviously I'm doinglonger content.
And when I first started on Instagram, it would just chop everything off at like 60seconds.
Like it just didn't work for me.
And like the content was garbage because I couldn't really figure out how to post onInstagram.
Right.
And so, and then tick-tock was a weird bag because when I got on tick-tock two and a halfyears ago, it was all 32nd clips.

(17:15):
Like it was all dancing and lip syncing.
And here I come along with my six minute videos and everybody was even AJ was like, dude,what are you doing?
And I'm like, ah, I'm just doing my thing, you know, like I'm going to do my thing.
And if it doesn't reply, it doesn't fly.
But then what happened was it, it's like, got traction, you know, the algorithm picked itup, ran with it.

(17:36):
You get a million views on a video and you're like, oh, cool.
Right.
I could do my thing and it's going to actually run.
And then you try, you go, okay, maybe YouTube is really where my home is.
Cause I do long form content.
The problem is I post over on YouTube and all my videos are in portrait mode.
Right.
So everybody on YouTube is complaining that my format isn't landscape.

(17:57):
I can't get on, Instagram.
So tick-tock just sort of became my bag.
Like it was like, this is my groove right here.
I will tell you like YouTube does seem people seem to care less these days about theportrait style video being there because most of the time they seem to be watching from
their phone and it ceases to matter.
So I have found that less people complain about that because I still move some stuff.

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that I have in that style over to YouTube.
So I think that it's not as big of deal as it used to be if it's something you want toventure.
But I totally get what you're saying.
And you have to make content that fits the platform in order to do well on it, right?
But the fact of the matter is, and this goes back to what we were talking about with Trey,right?
Because it's all about authenticity.
You're just being you, period.
And that's it.

(18:41):
And you were you until it actually worked.
And people were like, OK, yeah, I like this because they can.
pick up on the authenticity.
And I think ultimately that's why it worked or why you were able to gain traction.
It's because you weren't trying to do something different and not be yourself.
You know, I got to give Trey a lot of props, man.
Trey, he encouraged me a lot early on.

(19:01):
Um, he even called me last, last year I was driving back from Arizona.
He called me on the phone and he was like, Hey, I just want to give you some encouragementand I want to encourage you to look at the other platforms.
And like, he's really been kind of an inspiration to me.
And I was one of his biggest fans before I was even posting.
So I just really admire trade.
The one thing that I will say trade does

(19:23):
Better than I think just about anybody is that guy is consistent as hell He is like thetide going in and the tide going out that guy just consistently posts, you know nice
dovetailed content
I mean, he has the first video I see in the morning and the last one before I go to bed,You're right.
He puts out a couple of days, like every single day.

(19:45):
He is really consistent.
Now, do you engage with your audience, Preston?
mean, because we were talking about this with Trey last week.
He's definitely more of a post and go style.
Are you more engaging?
Because that's something else you said in that video you posted is that post and ghostdoesn't necessarily work, but for Trey, it does.
So here's the thing, there's some people that are grandfathered, right?

(20:07):
So you think about AJ and you think about Trey and some of these guys that were early onbig earlier on social media and these guys could now, they have a following, they have a
base, they, know, so these guys can get away with things that new people can't really,right?
So I think if I was just gonna post in ghost right now and I was just starting out, itwould be a much, a much bigger climb, right?

(20:31):
It would take me longer.
because you're not really connecting with your base and you're not growing it and reallykind of creating stickiness.
And what happens is it's weird.
have my, like when I go into my followers, I recognize their icons.
know who they are.
And then I go into my messages.
We have conversations.
Some of these people, I know their families.
Like it's weird how that they're not just followers.

(20:54):
They're like, there's actually a connection there.
And again, I would probably be very bored with social media if that wasn't there.
So.
that crazy though?
I mean, like, cause I literally have friends all across the nation that I've only hadthese, you know, communications with like online.
And I mean, like, like you said, like I know their icon, if they change their picture, I'mnever going to know who they are.

(21:15):
So you can't do that.
Right.
I mean, I struggle whenever I changed my profile picture a couple of years ago, because Ithought, man, there are, cause I don't pay attention to everybody's name, but I know their
picture, you know?
And,
There's people that I used to have communications with that I don't see anymore.
I don't know if they've changed their picture, if they bailed from Instagram or if theydied.

(21:36):
I don't know, you know, like, but I, it is wild how many people I communicate with on aregular basis.
and, I mean, like, I feel like I've, I've made a lot of friends, not just, know, like youguys, so we get to hang out a little bit in person sometimes and stuff like that, but
there's actual people that I'll probably never meet, but I have, you know, semi regularconversation with, uh,

(21:58):
meaningful conversation.
These are great people, know, people that I kind of consider friends, just I've never metthem in person.
It's a wild thing, man.
It's real cool.
Yeah.
I've got, I've got a couple people on my tech talk following that I literally know rightnow that their cars broke down.
They just moved to a farm.
They're struggling with their landlord.
Like it's weird that you, so to me that actually matters.

(22:19):
Like I actually enjoy that part of it is connecting with people.
I don't really see a point.
And this is another thing.
Like I don't really see a point in having a follower base.
If you're not going to actually do something to try to help them.
Like it's not just there to monetize or like benefit me.
Right.
And that's something I talked about in my video, right.

(22:40):
When I did that, that webinar, I talked about what I called content narcissism.
So in a way, I think a lot of times people create content that serves them.
Not, it doesn't serve their, their viewers.
Right.
Here's the content I want to put out.
And they're not stopping to think about what do my viewers want to see?
And it's a, it's a different vantage point for content.

(23:02):
Does that kind of go against the whole idea of just being yourself though?
Or is it be yourself within the confines of what people seem to respond to?
Yeah, no, I'm not pretending to be anybody else.
I'm definitely being authentic and being myself, but I realized that what my followerstend to want is educational stuff that will help them.
They're not just there to watch novelty stuff, right?

(23:25):
And this is, so this got, this gets into that thing I was telling you about, like thevillain, the catchy hook, the tell a story, right?
I'll give you an example.
This in the first year of posting content, I started analyzing the videos that were doingwell.
Right, you get a million views, you two million views and you go and you look, okay, whatwas different about that video and what are the common threads throughout those videos?

(23:50):
And I started realizing that in one, I'll give you an example.
I had a video that did really well.
I think it did 2.7 million views where I said, hey guys, the sellers are looking for meright now.
I'm over here hiding behind a bush.
I'm hoping they don't find me, right?
But the first thing they told me was they're not hiding anything.

(24:13):
Okay.
So I very easily could have just done a video to say, Hey, I want to show you some stuff.
trying to hide over here.
But I didn't, I actually like created a story first.
And, uh, so when I realized that the story is the engaging part, people are engaged in thestory and they want to see how it ends.

(24:34):
And if I just said,
Hey guys, I want to show you a crack in a foundation today that they're trying to hidewith some styrofoam.
That video would have done 12 views and nobody would have cared.
Right?
I think the part about being yourself is in the delivery, not necessarily that you canchoose to make a video that is, oh so I'm telling a story or I'm just educating or I'm

(24:57):
being funny or whatever, but the authenticity comes in the delivery.
um don't think, you can do different types of content and still be genuine and still beauthentic.
agree 100 % that and that's kind of what I was getting.
I was like, I'm not pretending to be anything different.
And you guys hear me like, I'm definitely myself in my video.
I'll be like, you know, that's, that's a big bunch of nope.

(25:20):
And, know, I call these stairs, the widow maker, like I, this is what I say to clientswhen they're present, like I do the same thing.
I'm joking with them.
And, know, I'll say things to clients be like, okay, you don't have a TPR discharge pipe.
Everybody's gonna die.
Like I'll say that to them and they'll start laughing because
Why shouldn't an inspection be fun, right?

(25:40):
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now, I love it, man.
So you're definitely, authentically you in it, but it does come down to being able to tella good story at the same time.
Yeah, so here's my secret sauce.
I don't know if it was gonna show up.
All right.
So my secret sauce is the video must appeal to a broad audience, number one.

(26:03):
Okay, so this is what I tell other home inspectors.
You can't just do a video to go, hey guys, I wanna show you this crappy window flashing.
If your window flashing's bad, it's gonna leak and your window's gonna fall apart.
Nobody cares.
Like your audience is people that care about window flashing.
So you just reduced your audience down to
50 people in the country, right?

(26:24):
But if you say, if you say, man, I just got an argument with the contractors that werehere flashing all these windows and they promised me they did a great job on these things,
but let me show you the shoddy work, right?
Totally different video because what I just did was told a story, created a villain andthen showed you the defect so that, you know, so it's number one has to appeal to a broad

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audience.
Number two, there has to be a catchy hook.
Number three, no gaps.
Once you realize that people have the attention span these days of a goldfish, like youcan't have like the millennial pause at the beginning, little gaps, boring gap.
People doom scroll right now.
So if you give them any moment to think this is boring, they're gone.
So it's gotta be rapid fire.

(27:08):
You gotta just beat the synapses in their head to death.
number four, tell a story.
Number five include a villain.
uh
Now, Matt, I don't know if you noticed this, but you have a villain in your videos.
Almost every video you do, there's a villain and the villain is look what this, look whatthis builder did.
I mean, there's no doubt it's true.

(27:28):
guess I just don't feel like I'm villainizing them so much.
mean, I think like always, like when we're pointing out defects, like somebody did that.
So there's a way to dissect that to say you have, you know, you're giving somebody avillain.
I just think I don't, it's not like I go out of my way to do that.
I know it's.
And I think villains, like when you have a villain or a protagonist in the story, it couldbe an implied villain.

(27:53):
doesn't, you're not, you don't really have to say, Hey Joe, the builder was just here andwhat a jerk he is.
Right.
Like, but when you say, God, like, let me show you what these guys are doing these days inthese new builds.
And then you show, you know, a bunch of, you know, a bunch of rafters with, know, that areovernotched or whatever, missing King studs, whatever it like you're creating.

(28:14):
The villain is the person who didn't do a good job.
Right.
I can't disagree with that.
And if you really think about it, we're kind of an angry nation now.
It's like everybody's mad about something and we're all looking to lash out at somebodyfor doing something bad.
Like it's just kind of how it is.
It's all like hair trigger these days.
So give them a villain and you know, people get engaged in the story.

(28:38):
The interesting thing is there where that tends to kind of rub up against the fact thatthe majority, and this is something we were talking about with Treva for, ah the majority
of the inspection community, especially with the younger generation of inspectors, we'reall so freaking friendly and they're all so helpful.
And there really is a good community of good people here, right?

(29:00):
So there's a big lack of villains around this place.
And so I do kind of wonder, and especially because that...
ah
that community continuing online with the social media followers, you guys have so manygood friends that you've made through those communities.
It's do people tend to bond around the person, you know, that's presenting, know, you,Matt, you, Preston, or do they tend to coalesce around the drama, or that villain or that

(29:29):
need to go after somebody?
do they just, you know, which one is it?
Or is it a mix of both?
So what I think, I think it's a mix of all those things.
And what I do think is that people are looking for heroism and defense, right?
Like there's a lot of bullies in the world.

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There's a lot of people taking advantage of people.
The working class has really never been under more attack than they are now.
Right?
So everybody's struggling and everybody's looking for someone to help them.
And yet in the world, there's very little help going on anymore.
Nobody's really helping each other.
And I think that that bleeds into viewership on social media where people see otherstories of people being taken advantage of people being, you know, just crucified in

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certain ways.
And then when somebody stands up for them, defend them, protects them, and you look at thedifferent, you know, social media content creators that really are in some ways a hero for
their clients.
That I think is where the big followings tend to sort of flock to when they go.
that person is saving all those people from making a terrible, from getting scammed fromwhatever.

(30:38):
And I think that's the bigger picture for a lot of these content creators on homeinspection.
Some of them are just focused on showing you defects and some of them are showing you thedynamics in the world that they're trying to protect their clients from.
That honestly might be, go ahead Matt, sorry.
was to say, I definitely agree with that.
mean, you know, I think that there's a mix of different people out there, but I think forthe most part, people do thrive on drama.

(31:03):
And so I think if you're willing to, you know, give them that dramatized point of view,you can even be like the information can really be the same as just how you present it.
But I mean, I think there's definitely a good cross section of my following that just likelearning.
Um, and so mean, there's not, everybody thrives on the drama, you know?

(31:25):
but I mean, so I think some people like learning, some people like, uh, just yourpresentation.
mean, obviously I try to bring a lot of humor to the table with what I do.
Um, and so, I mean, some people really, you know, connect with that.
and I mean, I try to cover a broad audience because of that, but I definitely think likethe shock value stuff really does work.
Yeah, I think your content is really, it's sort of the escape at the end of the day,right?

(31:50):
Like you go through a very stressful day and you fight traffic to get home.
You get to watch your videos and just laugh and kind of, right?
So it's kind of the whole reason we watch TV sometimes is just to kind of escape realityand just watch something entertaining and fun and a nice guy showing you nice stuff and
educational content.
So Matt, I got nothing but respect for you, man.
I love your content.

(32:10):
I love what you do.
Likewise, brother, for sure.
And I mean, like, yeah.
No, go ahead, Brett.
now saying Matt is America's funniest home videos and Preston is Jerry Springer.
No, I'm kidding.
I'll drink to that
He's the midday the midday crew.
Wow.

(32:32):
Yeah.
I I enjoy covering a lot of ground.
mean, I will say that my older videos probably a few years back and honestly, mean, I wasprobably, you know, growing quite a bit more if I think more about it because I used to
just be a lot angrier.
I think I was a lot angrier.
think I was less of the comedy and more and more like kind of grumpy and angry.

(32:58):
I'm actually becoming increasingly grumpy.
I was friendlier at the beginning.
Yeah, I'm getting worse.
Like what's happening right now is it's been interesting.
This month I've really had to take stock because I've gotten a lot of feedback, right?
From realtors, from other people that are, if I had one wish, it would be that peopleunderstood the separation between what I do for a living as an inspector and what I do

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online as a content creator.
They're, completely separate, even though I do inspection themed videos, not always,right?
Sometimes I do videos on, you know, milling logs and other things.
Right.
And so what I do on social media is like completely separate from my business, but a lotof realtors and other people really kind of mash that together and they can't really

(33:49):
separate the two.
I'll give you an example.
There's, there's an active boycott happening in my area right now of realtors.
because they look at my content and they think that I'm being mean-spirited or something,right?
Cause you're calling out problems or whatever.
But there's other realtors that tell those realtors, like, I didn't think Preston wastalking about me or my clients, right?

(34:14):
They're able to kind of differentiate the difference between me saying, this house is forsale.
Like it's for sale.
This house right now is currently being sold to somebody else.
And this wasn't disclosed to this.
Like this is a big problem that was covered in foam or like whatever's happening.

(34:35):
For me, I can't not, I can't not get upset about that because I know that they're tryingto conceal something and sell that problem to somebody else.
And when I call that out and they, if they think it's mean spirited, other realtors willsay no, like
You know, he's protecting our clients, right?
So it's, weird when you get the different vantage points in that whole thing too, is like,you saw the video I had of a realtor locally where she was saying that I was bad mouthing

(35:04):
realtors.
I heard from about six different realtors in that office where they said, I never feltlike Preston was talking about me.
It's a shoe fits kind of thing.
Right.
So there, there lies the kind of the sticky parts of doing anything that's controversialor raw.
unfiltered and so one of the things I'm gonna have to learn how to do is to Queue up myvideos and wait a month or two to post them

(35:30):
I that.
I do that.
think it's a really good practice like to keep you out of, you know, uh getting, you know,any friction or because, you know, the other thing is like, you know, it can if the stars
aligned or whatever, can damage somebody's sale of a property, you know, and and I don'twant to do that.

(35:51):
I just I just want to do what I got to do.
So I do wait so that I don't like.
get in the middle of mess up somebody's transaction or anything like that.
I'm not trying to do that, but I do think that people have a real tough timedifferentiating the online version of what I do versus the actual hard ass work and the
long detailed report that I'm delivering.

(36:12):
that's they never see, you know?
And so they, I mean, I get so many people that are like, Oh, your, your job looks awesome.
I want to do that.
How you do that?
I'm like, yeah, no idea about my job.
You have no idea how hard I'm working.
man.
man.
I know that can't be overstated.
Honestly.
It's like the one thing about this job I don't think people get is that the inspectionitself is only maybe a third of what you do.

(36:40):
It's probably 30%.
Right?
We think the inspection is the whole thing, but it isn't.
You have the inspection.
That's a big part of it.
But then you have actually communicating all of those findings to a client in a meaningfulway as a consultant.
Right?
you also have this written report component that is the other third, right?
It's all like 33 % right across that board where people think the inspection is what wedo.

(37:04):
They think we literally just walk through and like find items and like get mad about itand put a video out and that's the end of our job.
And like, we have like a six item checklist and like they think it's just easy, right?
I mean, I get it because all you see is the video, but man, it's just so much more to itthat they just don't see.

(37:24):
They don't see the 120 page report times three for the inspections that day.
And they don't see you sitting there until two o'clock in the morning sometimes.
Right.
Set the alarm for five to wake up in the morning to finish that third report before you goto work.
Yep.
Been there, done it.
But that's honestly where content can, it really does walk that fine line, right?

(37:46):
Because you said two things that can either make or break you.
Number one, you said hero, right?
This positions home inspectors, content can position home inspectors as the hero, which weare, right?
We wouldn't be in this job if it wasn't to be helpful.
We wouldn't be working for home buyers and trying to protect them from making a badinvestment if we weren't wanting to be helpful, right?

(38:07):
So that accurately portrays
what we do Matt that portrays those long hours, right?
I feel like that represents the true intent behind why we do get upset or because we'reconcerned.
We're not concerned for our sake.
We're concerned like why would we, it's not our house.
Why would we give a fine flip unless we actually truly cared about the people that we wereworking with and representing.

(38:29):
yeah, because I don't have the same problems at my house.
Well, here's something you never hear people say, right?
And this is something that we all know is true, but the home inspector is the first personin the entire transaction to tell somebody the truth about the house.

(38:49):
The listing agent's job is to take beautiful pictures, to tell you how amazing the viewsare, to help people envision living there.
And that is, I'm not faulting them for that.
That is their job, right?
Their job is to sell a house and that's what they're doing to fulfill their fiduciary dutyto their seller client.
So they're doing everything they're supposed to do.
So they're going to tell you all the wonderful things about the house, the buyer's agent.

(39:12):
Now there's some really good ones that know a lot, but they're not really home inspectors.
So they can say, you know, this doesn't look good, but it's up to us to go in there andsay, this is definitely not good.
Right?
So all the way through it.
Now imagine all the people buying homes with no inspection.
They're literally going into the biggest purchase of their life and nobody has told themthe truth about what they're buying.

(39:34):
Completely blind.
Yeah.
Yep.
crazy.
Like it's, so bad that you, can't even believe it's a thing.
Well, my question is, where do we're having taken stock of, know, kind of, I guess, frombeing controversial in a sense of being bluntly honest, brutally honest, uh from taking

(39:55):
that approach, and then seeing the reaction that it could have toward people and that itmight misrepresent your true intentions versus
other content that's done so well because you are essentially trying to be the hero in thestory, helping the home buyer.
Where now do you make the pivot in content going forward for yourself?
I do you kind of keep leaning into what was working?

(40:16):
Do you switch it up a little bit, maybe soften it?
Not that you're one to be soft in any way, but how do you kind of, how do you pivot in asense so that you are accurately portraying who you are in the field?
All right, well, here's the thing that I figured out about myself in the last two weeks.
This last two weeks has been very introspective and self-reflective, right?

(40:40):
Yeah, yeah.
So the number one thing I figured out is I actually care about what I'm doing, right?
Like I really care.
Like I'm not just doing this for money.
And so I put a lot of pressure on myself to always learn and be better and...
to do things that are uncomfortable.
I'll give you an example.
And Brad, you guys actually, you guys probably both know this.

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I encourage all of my clients to attend the inspection and to be a meaningful part of itand to ask a million questions through the inspection.
I encourage them all to do it.
Now I will be honest.
I hate it when they attend and I hate it when they ask me a million questions, right?
So I do it because it's the right thing to do, not because I want to do it.
Now there, can give you a hundred examples of my business and things that I do.

(41:26):
that's the right thing to do, but I hate doing it, right?
So I just do it anyway.
It's because I care.
I really truly care about what I'm doing.
And I really want to make sure that people know what they're buying.
And that is also not just on the bad side.
I don't just go in and alarm everybody about everything.
Sometimes I have to tell people this giant crack that you see in your foundation reallyisn't that big a deal, right?

(41:50):
There's times when I have to explain to them like, this is probably being caused by thatdownspout outside.
You know what I mean?
You're like a 10 foot piece of plastic away from solving the problem.
So sometimes I have to be able to explain these things to them.
And I had one of those this week.
I had a client, she was literally on verge backing out of her deal like five times and thehouse was nice, right?

(42:11):
So there was part of me is like, know, listen, this is a nice house.
I wouldn't run away from this.
Like these are all very straightforward and simple repairs.
So that was the first thing I really learned about myself is that I care about what I do.
Number two, I'm
I'm emotional about it.
So I tend to be kind of shoot from the hip emotional about things.
So that, that works both on the side of, can't believe I'm seeing this to I'm pissed offthat I'm seeing this.

(42:38):
You know, I show up to a house to inspect it and there's guys spray foaming the basementfoundation while I'm there.
How am I not supposed to think that's suspicious as hell?
Right.
I think any inspector would think that's suspicious as hell, but there I go.
get a cease and desist letter from a lawyer.
Right.
So.
Everybody's mad at me for saying that was suspicious.

(43:00):
Now, were you able to actually figure out what was going on back behind it?
Were they actually trying to cover up anything?
I didn't see the follow up to it.
I apologize.
No, actually couldn't see what behind obviously they spray foam did it's forever sealed.
I did have a very nice conversation with the company owner.
He assured me that they took photos and can prove that none of it was rotted or damagedwhen they sprayed it.

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I believe him.
Turns out it was scheduled to be spray foamed since January, but it was just too cold.
So it wasn't quite as suspicious as I thought it was right up front.
but you would think that somebody would let the inspector know that, you're gonna beshowing up to a house that's being spray foamed.
I would have said, let's do it the day before.
Like, you know, let me inspect it before they cover everything up.

(43:43):
Yeah, sometimes, okay, I get it that your story tracks, but like there was a bad time.
There was a bad timing of everything you should have told me so that I wouldn't beblindsided.
And then maybe it would be a lot less suspicious.
You know, I go to do pre drywall inspections down here every once in a while.
And sometimes when I'm there, the builder is putting up insulation.

(44:03):
They've sent people to put insulation in the walls while I'm there and I'll call theclient and I'm angry about it, right?
Cause I'm like, Hey, okay, I'm going to send you this report, but nothing.
quite says, I don't care what's in the report.
Like I'm going to go ahead and throw up insulation so we can't see anything that this guypoints out.
Like, you know, while I'm there, like, come on, you know, like, I mean, look, it's nobetter for you to do that.

(44:27):
After right after I leave, it's, it's certainly not better for you do that before I showup, but how insulting is it to what I'm trying to do and to your clients who have paid me
money to be there than to just show up and have somebody cover up all the stuff that Ijust pointed out in a report.
Yeah, man.
And that's the thing is like, if I didn't care about that, and I wasn't emotional aboutthat for my client, I don't think I would be an effective inspector.

(44:52):
Right?
I would just be some guy going through the motions, writing reports, I would just be areport mill.
And I would, I don't want to be, I would, I would quit the business before I would dothat.
Well, let's be honest too.
mean, it's again, everybody here has competing interests, right?
Like more likely than not, excuse me, on that property, the builder is not trying toslight Matt.

(45:13):
He just wants to get the house finished so that they can get onto the next build on thenext building, get that subdivision done so that they can move to the next project site,
right?
Because all they're trying to do is crank out inventory.
Same way that realtors, no offense to the good realtors out there, but you do have thosethat just want to get the deal across the line, right?
And so it's, again, we're the one that's being honest with the buyer.

(45:36):
And, you know, I wouldn't necessarily take it personally, Matt, but because that guy, theformer just wants to get done.
That's all.
it personally, but what it does is it angers me for the client.
I'm angry for them.
Like I'm not mad at the building, you do whatever you want.
You know what, you should have thrown up the insulation for our guy here because it mademy job a lot easier.
But what angers me about that is that I have to tell the client, hey, there's a good chunkof this house that I really can't see that you paid me to look at.

(46:03):
And so it's not me.
Like, I don't care.
It's the client.
I get mad with them.
That's who I'm fighting for.
leads me to believe if that's the path we're starting down, we're like, you knew I wascoming today and you send the insulation crew over there to put insulation up, you know,
at the tail end or in the middle of my inspection.

(46:24):
I'm only there for a couple of hours.
You knew what time it was scheduled for.
This is all been communicated.
And so for them to show up while I was there, it's insulting, but they're just telling methey don't care.
and, and
my client just paid me for a report and that their builder obviously isn't going to careor do anything about.
And I'm just like, this is the look that you've got right now.

(46:47):
You know what I mean?
And it's the look I'm going to give to the buyer.
I'm going to tell them, you know, this is what they did.
You know, you got a choice to make here.
You can either let me do my inspection report and then get it and act like you care andthen go do some things about it.
Or you can have the guys come start covering up all the stuff that I just found.
while I'm still there, you know?

(47:08):
And I don't know, I get offended, but yeah, it's for the client.
It's for the buyer.
Yeah.
And I think that anger shows that you care about what you do and you care about yourclients, which is what really drives the best inspectors.
Right.
So I couldn't imagine being an effective inspector if, so there's a thing called fiduciaryduty that we talk about, but people sometimes don't actually really talk about what that

(47:31):
is.
And fiduciary duty means caring about your client's best interest above all else, aboveall else.
Your, your sole job is to look out for that person period.
You're not there to make realtors happy.
You're not there to make builders happy.
You're not there to make attorneys happy.
You are there to protect your client period.
Yeah.
Well, and it's interesting because some of the, some of the higher ups who are sosupportive of the show here in the production, ah that's not, not to kiss you know what

(47:59):
it's truly, they, they care about home buyers than they care about inspectors.
And so they care about the show, but they asked like, so what are you, are you guys goingto do any content that's really geared toward new inspectors or considering inspectors?
And I've told them, I'm like, I feel like everything we do is useful to new inspectors.
Cause if you're thinking about getting into this field,
This might be the most important five minutes of the show that we've produced, right?

(48:23):
Like, don't come, yeah.
doing, I was doing that before I was doing social media.
Cause you know, I got the jumpstart program, right?
So what I did when I first started my inspection business full time and really focused onit, I mapped out literally every step of what I did to start my business, including the
stuff that didn't work, the mistakes I made.
And I put it all into this video just to try to help new inspectors to say like, here'swhat I did.

(48:48):
Here's what worked.
Here's what didn't work.
Here's the, here's what I recommend.
Here's why.
And then that sort of grew.
And then it was like, went into insurance and it went into all these other areas.
And still to this day, one of the things I love the most is doing web free webinars tohelp other home inspectors.
Right?
I feel like if we do more of that, if we help to lift up other inspectors and really wecan rise with the tide and we can elevate our industry, we can sit around a bitch and moan

(49:15):
and complain about why our industry sucks and prices are going down and all this stuff.
But if we're not doing anything about it,
we are still part of the problem.
I 100 % agree.
And that actually is a really good segue into a question that I wanted to ask you.
Actually, I guess I got to start with another question.
So I mean, for the people that are watching for like the three people out there that arewatching that don't know who Preston Kincaid is, can you tell the audience where you are

(49:40):
located?
Where do you inspect?
man, I'm glad you asked that question because as, as you know, if you know, you know,there's a lot of people that accuse me of being bought off by the builders.
All right.
Where I live is in the middle of the forest, the middle of nowhere.
am in upstate New York, Oxford, New York.

(50:02):
I literally live in a town called Preston.
So I'm Preston from Preston.
Well, wait, what came first, the chicken or the egg here?
I gotta know.
Did they name the town after you?
uh
of funny.
I I thought my farm and I thought that it was serendipitous.
The road right in front is called Preston center road.
I didn't realize there was actually a town called Preston cause the house was listed inOxford, New York.

(50:27):
So here I am out in the middle of nowhere where I live, dude, it is farmers.
It is down home people.
There is not a single building development within a two hour radius of me.
None.
There's I've never met a builder.
I've never done a new build inspection.
Not one, not one.
So like that's where I'm at.

(50:47):
I'm, I'm smack between Syracuse and Binghamton, New York, not, I'm a few hours, threehours from Albany, but I'm up here in the forest, man.
I'm in the woods.
That's funny because like I get so many people that get mad like angry at builders in mycontent, but like only about half of my videos are on new construction.
But I think a lot of uh online home inspection social media videos are new construction.

(51:11):
It's really easy to film at a new construction house.
I think we see a whole lot of videos made on new construction and people are just like solivid about all the new construction going on.
They think every video they see is on new construction and they're like, how are thebuilders getting away with this?
And I'm like, Hey, this is clearly a homeowner DIY job.
What are you talking about?
Anyway, I did have a question for you and really I wanted to, I wrote it down here, butit's basically I just wanted to know, like, do you have, cause we were talking about

(51:40):
younger inspectors, right?
Newer inspectors.
If you had, and I know that you probably get this question a lot, but it sounds like youput some thought into it.
So, you know, what is a piece of advice that you would give for up and coming homeinspectors?
And I'm going to say this, I'm going to get more specific with it.
Up and coming home inspectors,
in your area and maybe not your immediate area because like you're out in the middle ofthe woods and Preston, New York.

(52:03):
But I mean like maybe in your state or something.
Do you have any advice for people coming into the industry?
I mean besides, know, watch the Ride Along podcast, besides that.
It's a good one.
man.
You know, I have a lot of respect for Brad.
Brad, you're like Trey, man.
You're consistent too.
I love the fact like your production is unlike, man, you do a good job.

(52:25):
All right.
To answer your question, Matt, when I do my webinars, I always start them off the sameway.
I've had webinars that had upwards of 600 attendees before.
And what I will do is I will ask in my webinar, raise your hand if you're a home inspectorand everybody raises their hand.
And it's a trick question because the first thing I say is

(52:46):
All of you are wrong.
If you have your hand up right now, you are completely wrong.
There is not a single home inspector in the home inspection business.
And if you are just a home inspector, you are only doing half your job.
We are all professional consultants and we need to start thinking of ourselves that waybecause when you think of yourself as a professional consultant, you realize then the

(53:07):
inspection is just part of your job.
The part where you consult with your clients, you look out for the best interests, youmake recommendations.
you offer to help.
have four videos of me helping clients of mine for free, re-level entire buildings.
Like, so I do that because I'm a professional consultant and I'm trying to help thesepeople as much as I possibly can.

(53:31):
And if I can go help them with some of this stuff that would normally cost tens ofthousands of dollars and they can borrow some of my tools and we can go do it on a
weekend, I've now just made a friend for life, but I also have people that trust me,right?
So it's really fulfilling a higher purpose, not just looking at a house with a flashlightand a camera, right?
So these guys that are running in, writing reports, running to the next one and notspending the time with their clients, they're home inspectors.

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I'm a professional consultant and I'm going to conduct myself as one, right?
And that's my advice because guess who's going to be replaced by AI when it comes along?
The home inspectors.
The top, the top tier.
consultants won't be replaced anytime soon because they're providing a much higher levelof service that's really helping people through the process, sometimes well after they buy

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the home.
That's an interesting perspective.
I like that.
I mean, I definitely operate that way, but I'm not sure if I've ever really thought aboutit that way, but I definitely operate.
Well, guys, the dog is telling me here that it's time to take him on a little walk out thedoor there, if you will.
ah But Preston, thanks so much for coming on, dude.

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This has been an absolute blast.
inspection fuel.
Are you going to be at inspection fuel?
Preston, are you going be at
I would like to go so yeah, well Yeah, yeah, shoot me over the details.
Yeah, I'll go I'll go
actually.
No, seriously.
Like, Hey, look, if you've been on the show, uh I've, I've got a standing order thatbasically all of the previous guests will hook up with, we'll cover the cover the fair or

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not the fair, not the airfare, but the fee ah for the ticket to it's extra fuel.
Yeah.
The entrance fee.
So if you want to come, we got you covered, I'll help you out with that.
Just shoot me over the details when it is.
Matt, you're going to be there, right?
I won't miss it for the world then.
Yeah, details for everyone watching September eight through the 10th.
Thanks for the plug Matt.
September eight through the 10th down in Nola.

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That's it.
But Matt, we've got just I want to go ahead and tease this real quick because this is afun episode.
And again, Preston always fun sitting on with you.
need to come on your show, by the way.
Hey man, let me plug something real quick.
May 18th, 7 PM Eastern center time.
got a webinar going on.
It's free.
You can go to hijumpstart.com and it's the whole webinar is about how to become a homeinspector.

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I've now shared, I've already brought in 107 people into the business this year.
That's awesome dude.
Good for you man.
Good for you.
attend the webinar.
you have any interest in becoming a home inspector, we're going to go through everything.
I will answer any question thrown at.
And keep watching the show here because there's some really cool stuff.
uh I am flying out to Austin, Texas this Friday.

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uh Actually, you know, this will be happening after I guess the show is going to drop andthis will have already happened.
But uh post-production will be well underway for what we're going to be filming in Austin,Texas.
We're going to be working with Matt Reisinger, uh one of the biggest names in frigginbuilding science.
I mean, massive following over on his YouTube platform.

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But Matt, tell them a little bit about the house we're going to be looking at.
So he has been filming for the last maybe six months or so, uh maybe longer than thatactually, him building a house out in the Northern Austin area that he calls the Risinger
Build.
There is a ton of footage out there of him building this house from the ground up and it'sabout finished.

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I mean, it is finished.
There's maybe a couple of like small things that still need to get done on it, butfinished enough and we're gonna go out there and do some filming at the Risinger Build.
And if the stars align, we hope to do a little bit of podcasting with Matt himself.
Listen, I'll get you guys out here because this summer I'm going to start, we're going tobuild four homes and I'm going to go all old school stack stone foundation, post and beam

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construction, peg, joinery, the whole bit.
So yeah.
Yeah.
I'm milling all my lumber on my sawmill.
So we're to build four homes.
It's going to be interesting.
I'm going to do a bunch of content on it.
But this is why it's so cool.
originally when this show started out, it was designed as a road trip where I shadowedhome inspectors in the field showcasing really cool different types of houses around the

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country.
And so this is kind of like what one, because I mean, Matt, it's awesome.
It's more fun to do this two is better than one.
So we've, we've got the cohost locked down.
This is awesome.
And now we get to really kind of like do the first, we're going back to this a little bitwhere we get to do cool series style content on site.
long form on YouTube right here.
We're breaking out all the bells and whistles and showcasing really cool homes.

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So Preston, it would be awesome to do the same with you as soon as you're underway back upthere in New York.
Yeah, man.
Hey fist bump to both you guys
it that's it I gotta look where my camera is which one am I bumping here it's it all rightlove it press some things again absolutely definitely and thank you guys everybody so much
for watching great as always having you on here be sure to follow Preston Matt and theshow here and if you want to follow me you can't do it's at inspection dude why not I'll

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jump in on it but definitely stay tuned and we will always see you right here next time onyou got it