Hidden Hope Feat. Sarah Jakes Roberts

This week, Scottie and Sylvia sit down with Sarah Jakes Roberts to explore what it means to be a modern woman of faith today.  As the co-pastor of Potter’s Church LA and the founder of Woman Evolve, Sarah gets candid about the pressure of inheriting her father T.D. Jakes’ legacy, creating vulnerable spaces for Black women to gather, and how much “the Jesus of it all” really matters. Together, the trio unpacks the extraordinary power of finding hidden pieces of hope to help all of us move forward day by day.

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Episode Transcript

(00:11):
Welcome to the Scottie and Sylvia Show, where we speak our minds like it's
our full time job and have somuch fun doing it. I'm Scottie bean
Child and if you cannot tell,these eyes are bloodshot bread because I am
on my seventeen thousandth city and Iam tired, okay tired, and I

(00:32):
must ask who are you on theother line, because I am saying I
know who you are and where youare. Thank you. Oh well,
I'm Silvio Bell. Guys may ormay not have heard of me. I
got best friend. Is allisuredly allyou thinks I am in Atlanta, Georgia.

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I am in Atlanta, Georgia.I should be a Diamond Sky Miles
member by now, but I amstill not. And I am going to
run up to the Delta corporate officebefore I leave at Land and ask them
the thresholds are too high, becauseif I've had the October that I've had
and I'm still not Diamond, it'scrazy. It's crazy. It's crazy,

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right. And I just also wantto point out here that Sylvia is also
thinking about going to GHU, SoI just wanted to put that out because
that's what the people were saying Sylviaanyway, happy homecoming to all the HBCU
lums. I would say, hey, friend, how are you doing this
week? But I think we gotit. You are exhausted, exhausted,

(01:40):
but November is here and I willnot be I'm unmoved. Okay to homecoming.
You're not apartment. That's it,that's it. I don't have nothing
else in me. This whole Novemberis going to be dedicated to just sitting
down and chilling the f out becausemy eyes were red. So this man

(02:04):
asked me at the airport this morningand said, are you okay? He
said, do I look all right? Look okay? Do I look all
right? Yes? Guys, youheard correctly. Scotty didd fly back from
Atlanta this morning before we even recordedthis podcast. That did happen in Atlanta
airport at that You know how theyget that? Oh my god, Hey,

(02:28):
we need the mayor, that guestof Atlanta. I need to talk.
I need to talk about some things. There's a few thus to talk
about in Atlanta right now, butlet's talk about this first. Dad Jackson
Airport an airport, y'all? Youmean to tell me tsa pre check and

(02:50):
clear together. I saw my friendJasmine in a line, saw you.
We was why is that line forTSA and clear? I'm looking at the
TSA lady like, no, no, no, no no, I'm TSA
pre check and clear and take yourass to the back of the line,

(03:12):
because they're the line right here.Scotti almost transformed into the CEO of Delta
Airlines to be like, hey,we're not raised that we gotta raise make
it too much money. Too manyof y'all niggas got too much money,
y'all got too much status. Howis everybody in this line like me?
I got real elitis real quickly said, get more elitist than when you're trying

(03:35):
to get through the airport. Oh, y'all niggas got TSA pre y'are at
five a m. In the morning, five am? There's a line.
Where are y'all going? I wantedto ask everybody, really, bitch,
where you going? But I'm justsaying home home. I'm trying your home,
please. But there's been a lotthat's been going on in Atlanta.

(03:57):
Chap talk about it because it's beena bactic week aside from spell House Homecoming
and One Music Listen and Yeah,Homecoming Music Fest. Then you had the
Georgia Tech stuff going on. Thenyou had Keith Lee being the deliver us
from Eva of the Century. Mygirl Keith Lee was in them restaurants restoring

(04:25):
the faith of customer service. Okay, because I was. I was enamored
by this whole story, by theway, because I love Keith Lee.
I think it's very honest. Ithink he's doing what influencers should do,
which is tell the truth and behonest about things that they try and not
get so motivated by money or youknow what the restaurant can do for you.

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No, he just does this becausehe wants other people to know whether
a restaurant is good or not andhow they and also how they treat you.
Everybody knows Atlanta has one thousand andsix and seventy two rules about restaurants,
and it's mostly the Blacks that haveall these restaurants. Y'all not open
on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays,only open until two pm on Tuesdays and

(05:13):
then got a half day on Sundays. I'm tired. I'm tired, and
I'm sure Keith Lee is tired aswell. Oh yeah, Keith Lee is
a TikTok, influenza, he triesdifferent foods. You don't know, Keith
Lee, what the hell are youdoing? Where are you? What do
you got going on that you're notwatching Keith Lee food reviews? Or just
spend the weekend with Scotti because that'sthat's that's all it takes. I didn't

(05:34):
know who Keith Lee was before thisweekend, but I damn sure know who
he is because between every freaking everycar ride, did you see what Keith
Lee is up to? Now?It was like, I know you told
me, You told me that dispatchedat about two am this morning. Every

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day, every damn two hours.Now he's at this restaurant and this is
happening, right. I just thinkit couldn't be. It wouldn't be possible
to change or somewhat just speak honestlyabout the things that are going on because
they're just black businesses, and becausethey're black businesses, you're not supposed to
speak about the bad things that arehappening in black ass business. I will

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speak about black ass business being badif it's bad money to me a quality,
and we treat you the same waywe treat these white businesses. Right,
and I'm happy that he's doing this. I'm happy that it's become a
topic of conversation. I am notokay with people talking about Keith Lee being
autistic and all this other stuff whenyou don't even know if he has been

(06:40):
diagnosed. You don't know anything.I think it was the Milk and Honey
restaurant manager. I think it wasa manager somebody who worked up in there.
So I think what he was doingwas sending his family ahead to see
how they get seated, and thenhe would come in. But his family
wasn't being treated right. They cameand told him, and then the restaurant
people saw Keith Lee, it said, oh no, we'll see. Oh
whatever, he's like, out inthe seat. We're getting a chair.

(07:01):
We're at the table ready for youin five minutes. He said, no,
if these people can't eat, Idon't want to eat. You understand,
like, why is it moving soslowly? I really appreciated that he
was opening that door so that itcould at least be a discussion, because
I feel like it's taboo to talkbad about back black businesses. So I'm
just happy that Keith Lee is doingit. I support him one hundred percent.

(07:25):
If he needs somebody to fund themoney of going. Oh and also
how this is how you know?But Sylvia said, it's true. We
are truly in unprecedented times because whywas the glowing the glowing like the glowing
with remarks about the restaurants. Thebiggest one was a Jamaican restaurant. Now

(07:48):
you know, damn well, ifthe Jamaican restaurant is the only restaurant that
KEITHH. Lee is like, Wow, amazing customer service. Wow, we
are in unprecedent the time. Ihope the food was good because I like,
I like my Jamaican woman really rudeto me. I want them to
sell their tea as I asked formore. And that's how you know that

(08:09):
is gonna be banging. I knowthat Rostapasta is gonna hit. The worse
the service, the better the foodat them restaurants restaurant anyway, No,
but Jamaican restaurants, if they gotan attitude, I like it. I'm
down for it. So here's theonly question about Keith Lee. Does he
only do Atlanta? But this ishis first note, So he goes to

(08:30):
different cities, He goes to cities. Yeah, he just chose Atlanta this
weekend. He chose Atlanta, butthis has been the worst one, I
think because people know how bad itis in Atlanta. Atlanta. I just
want to know what have y'all beendoing out here? They got y'all restaurants
acting like this. I don't understand, but this is the twenty twenty investigative

(08:52):
special that we needed. Dale can'tgo sit down with Keith Lee next because
that's an interview that I would liketo see. They should walk around restaurants
trying out the food. I needa New York Times feature. I need
it all because I am. Sheput me onto it, but now I
am. I think he's doing God'swork. Let's all work on getting Sylvia

(09:13):
to get on TikTok. That's allas a community, girls listening, Let's
bully her into TikTok. If wejust hi get her on there, how
counts must I have higher? That'swhat Instagram and Twitter and Snapchat and the

(09:33):
fun my Space and black Planet anday, I am tired. Only TikTok
has shown me to get a scuffoff of my heel. Okay. TikTok
also was expensive because every time Itake to see a video makes me want
to buy something. It's just it'scrazy. But I'm sure y'all go make
me cave eventually when when Twitter finallydies to be on there way more actively.

(09:56):
But speaking of Gail King and blackmen, she's interviewed, she sat
down with Jay Z to celebrate hisBook of Hope exhibit at the Brooklyn Public
Library. Have you seen the exhibit? I have not. I had this
October has been a whirlwind November right, but in November, I'm definitely gonna

(10:16):
see it. I think I don'tknow how long it goes until I think
December, hopefully not maybe I don'tknow. I know they extended it,
but I don't know too how long. But it looks amazing. I'm glad
Gail did this interview where they kindof walk through it and he has like
it's exhibit. It's like album covers, magazine covers, like photos tours,
Like imagine your career being so extensivethat you could have an exhibit at a

(10:41):
public library. But like he reallydid that, And then you know,
jay Z doesn't really do many interviews, so it was interesting to see this
pairing as a journalist who is justbegging more rappers to talk to black women.
It was really refreshing to see himsit down with Gail and not laying
down with Bobby, laying down withsome mediocre white woman to answer weird fucking

(11:05):
questions. Absolutely, thank god,I so haven't committed that white woman.
The memory, I almost said,who's Bobby? I know what you're talking
about. The girl was weird,Yeah, you know, just you know,
sitting down and talking to her educatedblack woman answering real questions. Because
it was interesting to see jay Zthe dad, like I feel like he
doesn't do as many interviews that himand Beyonce are understandably very private about what

(11:28):
goes home in their home life,so it was really cute to see a
glimpse of him talking about how likeI think Gail asked him if blue things
he's cool, and he was actinglike he was like, she'd be fronting
on me. She'd be fronting onme now like he's like, but he
was like, but sometimes I seeit, like she'd be asked me if
her shoes or her for sneakers arecool, or like sometimes she'll white people
talking to me, and I'll seeit in her eye in the corner that
she kind of thinks I'm cool,but she'd be fronting on me, and

(11:50):
I think that's I'm like, ohmy god, he's really a dad of
all like a pre teen, it'sso crazy. Or how he talked about
how like he's thinking about cutting hishair back down to a caesar in which
that means you know what that means, you know. I mean, I'm
happy for multiple reasons. One becauseI just would love. I like the
low tuts. I like the lowwith the teeth wave graves, go back

(12:13):
and snatch up your Beyonce, like, just give us, bring him back,
bring back low cuts. Many true, I love a fade, I
love I'm an East Coast girl,like bring him back. Usually you cut
your hair. He cuts his hairwhen he's about to do an album.
He's about to release an album.Yes, so if we get just one
more jay Z album and I'm notpressured, I'm not. I'm not pressed

(12:37):
to get an album from jay Z, but if I do get one,
I am over the moon. Iam excited. I am happy about it.
I think he's I feel like he'skind of teasing it because even when
Gil asked him, Mike, soare you like shit, like are you
in making music? Are you retiredout. He was like, well,
I did that once and I cannever do it again. I'm glad he
got the message because the way hemade me more of him for that Black

(12:58):
album. But let me tell y'all, oh my god, he put us
through it just to come back again, and you know what he said thankfully.
Gail asked the important questions like forLLC Twitter, will you will you
take the five hundred thousand dollars orhave dinner with jay Z? And jay
Z himself, out the mouth ofhis own dinner, said, hey,

(13:22):
take the money. Also, everythingthat I've ever learned is on vinyl,
It is on the track list.I have given all of it to you,
So just take the five hundred thousandand buy the damn discography. At
this point, you could buy thatand more. It's only gonna cost you
about But I would love to learnmore about what jay Z is learning,

(13:48):
especially with being a dad and especiallythrough music, Like what exactly are you
experimenting with now? So I'm excited. I am too, And I just
want to share my final fun factfrom that interview because I just love the
dad content. Blue. How shegot her name? I thought it was
my favorite color. I thought itwas some of my favorite color. He

(14:09):
said. The rumors were true.Her name was supposed to be Brooklyn,
like that was the intention, butthat at the ultrasounds at the beginning,
she was like a blueberry, andthey used to call her like, oh,
look at the little blueberry, likeoh, the signe of a blueberry.
And then they said for the ninemonths, I just kept calling it
her blueberry. And so then whenshe was born, they said, le's
just dropped the berry and call herblue And I thought that's way more like.

(14:33):
I think that's so cute. Ialso think it's very free flowing of
them like they were, so Ithink it was like, oh, that's
way less intentional than I thought,but it's also so cute. Shout out
to Gail for getting that interview.I remember a time where hip hopping those
kind of journalists were not getting along. So I'm happy. I'm happy to
child in respect exchanged both ways.Sorry and sad news was actor Matthew Perry

(15:01):
died. Yes, yes he didover the weekend. So sad for all
the black people who love friends.Our thoughts and prayers are wood y'all,
because it's hard to grow up inthe nineties than not know who that cast
was and what that show was.So definitely big news story. Absolutely,

(15:22):
it's just very sad how he wentout. He's been very open throughout his
career about battling demons and substance tobeing small of those things, and so
it's really it's sad to see himgo in his fifties. He was only
his fifties, so it's so young. First friend, first person of the
friend's cast, and like that castthat show is so like beloved. Yeah,

(15:46):
he's dry humor. I really enjoyedit. Like every time he would
say so, I thought he wasvery funny. He would fit right in
in the office, like that's why, which is the show that Scotty caps
for. Yes, okay, Ilove that I watch you need is to
Let Go? But no, honestlyit's fectfully like condolences to the Perry family.

(16:06):
And yeah, it's sad to see. So it's also it will have
been over by the time this episodecomes out. But tomorrow it's Halloween.
Thank god, we are not Halloweengirls, and we would like to give
representation to the girls who just don'thave strunk hair about it. Like if

(16:29):
you think I'm gonna spend like y'allbe spending so much money on something you
are never gonna wear again. Iwill not name them, but I was.
I saved a few people that spenta lot of money on their Halloween
costume. But whenever I go ona vacation, it's how are you affording
all these vacation And the next timeI get one, I'm gonna find a

(16:51):
picture of the money that you spendto get a makeup artist to do all
that shit just for one photo.And I understand. It's fun. It
sounds fun, and I like tolook at y'all do this. It's something
like Megan and Stallion. She didthe Hottieween. Everybody came dressed down to
the socks. It looks great,But the effort it takes, guys,
I don't know, just for oneday. That's why I was glad that

(17:15):
we had to work this weekend,because it gave me excuse to miss all
of the costing parties in LA becauseI got invited to many and I had
a valid reason of not going.I love scary movies. I love sat
I heard sawaim. I heard Sawis really good. Guys. If you
want to check that out. Whenthis comes out, go and check it
out. My version of a goodtime is the blackting like that's my That

(17:38):
was for me. Like, asa kid, did you enjoy Halloween?
Though? Yeah, I loved doingHalloween as a kid. That was fun.
You know, I didn't have anyresponsibility of just paying and also trying
to figure out what I wanted tobe. For real, it was the
same thing every year. It wasNala. Okay, I wanted to be
Nala. Every I wore Nala probablystrong. I'm screaming four years and then

(18:06):
I'm broke from that and then didsomething else, you know, Jasmine and
the other ones. But mm hmmm, Nalah was the girl for me,
was the girl I can. Ienjoy dressing up. I remember like really
being into like my be a sockcop girl or I'm gonna be like a
hippie stuff like that. But asa teenager I kind of got off of

(18:26):
it. But we still wanted thecandy. Me and my friends just take
my sister and just try to getsome candy, and they look at us
like we were the parents, andI'm like, no, I don't mind,
give me my kit cat And it'slike I hate the quiz, so
where are you for Halloween? Igot it? Like is it a quiz?
If I'm not? If I don't, Candy, I am, I

(18:48):
am self respect, hand me mycan like that. I am. I
am blessed and speaking a blest.It isn't theme with this week's show a
little bit, guys, because yes, who we have on this show for
y'all this week, y'all ready SarahJakes Roberts, the co pastor of the

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Potter's House La. She is someonewho's sermons we absolutely love. May or
may not hurt her father. He'sa little famous. His name is TD
Jakes, and she has been followingin his legacy and building her own path
and blazing her own trail. Andwe've been wanting to have this conversation for
a minute, like to really getwhat it means to be a person of

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faith. Today is definitely a conversationthat's worth having, especially during this time
right now, he's unpresidented time.Okay, everything feels like it's a chaos.
Chaos, So we talked to Sarahabout all this and more. Let's
get into it. Sarah, weare so happy to have you on the

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show. Oh my gosh, tohave her on here. I don't think
you want to stay. I don'tthink you want to stand the tissues on
debt. No, we're all right, all right, I'm ready, let's
do it. Okay, let's let'sgo. Yeah. No, we are
so happy to have you on theshow. The first question we always like

(20:14):
to ask our guests is how isyour heart right now? Like, how
is your are you feeling? Myheart is really full. I have had
a tremendous year. My body istired and my mind is exhausted, but
my heart is really in a spaceof gratitude and reflection and joy. So

(20:37):
it's been a hectic year, butit's been one that's been really rewarding for
me as well. I love tohear that. Listen. I will say
you changed the trajectory of my healingprocess this year. Absolutely. I'm not
big on watching sermons before you,but when I went through what I went

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through this year, I decided thatI was going to heal differently, and
so with that, I always seenclips of my favorite sermon in the world,
which is girl, Get Up.Oh My. I've always seen clips
Instagram, and I love the clips. Being a woman may not be easy

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that we may have to pick upand move on, scarred and broken and
Bruce, but Bruce's tail still crushedSerpent's head. And that when your spirit
returns back to you, that itis a sign to Hell that no weapon
formed against you was going to prosperthat when your spirit returns. But I
guess I haven't been going through enoughto really sit down and tune in and

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really watch. So when I turnedit on and I was walking down the
street going through it, y'all walkingdown the street, I stopped in the
middle of the street. I literallyalmost my ankle but my heel still work.
There it is, it was like, but it it really changed how

(22:07):
I decided to heal. So Iwant to know what's your most recent girl,
get up for yourself, because Iknow that you have to continue to
keep, you know, reminding yourselfto get up because girl to honey,
people wobbles, but they don't falldown, but that when you in the

(22:27):
wobbling stage. My most recent onewas probably implanning our conference this year for
Women Evolved. So in twenty twentyone we had three thousand people, which
for someone who never anticipated being inministry, I'm not like a I'm not
like this person who's like constantly feelingentitled to more and more and more,

(22:48):
Like I can be very content withwhat I have, And so for three
thousand people from me, I'm like, this is a big room. These
are a lot of people. Still. My father and I had this passing
of the baton moment in twenty twentytwo, and within like a week,
ten thousand people registered for the twentytwenty three Women Evolved. We are in
May of twenty twenty three and thereare thirty thousand people registered. So what

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was costing thousands of dollars now costmillions. And when we were planning for
the conference, I didn't think thatit was going to become a thing.
So I set registration prices thinking thatwe would have it similar to how we've
had it in the past, andso we didn't have the money to cover
conference. And I was just inthis space where I'm like, this is

(23:36):
why you have no business doing it, Like you're in over your head,
you don't know what you're doing.You know, the production budget's almost three
million dollars, and like I'm likethree million dollars, Like you're never getting
three million dollars from me, LikeI don't have it. And I was
like, yeah, I called myI called my business manager. I'm like,

(23:59):
I need a life insurance policy becausenow I'm afraid, like if I
die, like I've put deposits downon buildings and like my family's not going
to be able to reimburse these people. Now, I'm like watching cars.
You talking about walking in the streetand seeing cars coming. You've never seen
someone looking both ways the way Iwas looking both ways. But I just
felt a deep sense of inadequacy ofjust like this is why this girl's like

(24:22):
you don't do stuff like this becauseyou're not smart enough to get it done.
I definitely had a girl get upmoment when someone tagged me that they
were like bringing their mom. Theyhad just found out they had cancer,
and they just knew there was somethingin the room for them. And I
told my husband, I'm like,if we have to take a second mortgage
out on the house, like whateverit takes, I got to make sure

(24:45):
that this room can happen. Andwhen I tell you, we got like
four or five last minute sponsors,like literally four or five weeks before conference,
we got these last minute multimillion dollarsponsors, and it was just like
I got you, I got Actuallyyou just got to keep showing up.
So that was probably my most recentgirl get up moment. Now right now,

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I'll tell you I'm more in mylike Girl lay Down season because like
I pushed it, love that tothe limit, and you gotta know when
it's get up time and you gottaknow when it's lay down time. Yeah,
I'm definitely going to sit down season. The Girls sat Down. No.
I love that you talked about thepassing of the baton moment because when

(25:27):
I tell you, watching that videoa, it seemed like you were as
surprised as all of us in thatmoment that it was happening. It was
like you know when your parents don'twarry you about something. It was given
that fan like everybody, it's likewe're her parents doing her. But it's
like I can't imagine, Like likeyou're saying about feeling like you're being handed

(25:51):
this huge baton. But when itcomes to battling the imposter syndrome or feeling
ready or maybe the idea that younever are ready, you just got to
do it. Like what you haveto say to people about like when God
knew it was your time before youknew it was your time, which is
often I feel like, Okay,dude, I struggle with imposter syndrome,

(26:11):
and I probably should study it alittle bit more because I'm not exactly sure
that what I experience is imposter syndrome, because I don't necessarily feel like I
am pretending to be someone else,or I just feel like I have not
connected fully like that this is mylife, only because I was in such
a deep dark place that it's hardfor me to embrace that this is my

(26:36):
life. So I will tell youas it relates to passing the baton,
whatever that looks like. Whether andI think we're in an intergenerational shift right
now in general, so whether you'rein corporate spaces, you're in the entertainment
industry, we're seeing the emerging ofnew voices, new ways of doing things,
and there can be some trepidation whenwhat was says you are next,

(26:56):
and the pressure that can come withthat. I struggled with it only because
I did not know when all ofthese people register for conference. I assumed
that they were registering for what theythought would be the next woman that art
loose in expression, Women that areloose and women evolve are pretty different,
Like I am not like the churchiest, like we're going to shout kind of

(27:18):
person, and women that are looseis going to give you a praise break,
like we're gonna bust the roads upgoing forth, and like I,
that's not my default setting. Andso I was a little concerned that they
were signed up for something that theywere going to be disappointed by and that
I couldn't bring to them whatever itis my dad gave them. And so
I struggled with that probably for aboutsix or seven months, until I was

(27:41):
preaching at my father's church and mywig started slipping and I took it off.
You took it right off, Iremember, and that was as viral
as it went for everyone else.I was at this stage where my husband
wasn't there, my parents weren't therethat Sunday, my first Sunday kind of
top to bottom being the leadership incharge of that service, and I was

(28:04):
nervous, and my wigs start slipping. I take it off, and this
moment goes viral, like I wantmore than anything and bray him. That
happens the way, so I'm lockeddead. Oh what God wants to do
it? This way? They havenever holds. I'm going to break down
there. Then let a wig falloff that never hold. I'm going to
break down there that like the shoescome out man, that never hold.

(28:26):
I'm going to up break down,y'all. They don't need this. I
don't need this. I do uncausethat makes me up. Everyone's on the
internet like we know that this isthe kind of stuff that like people only
laugh at. And while there weredefinitely some videos of people making fun,
overwhelmingly people were like, when youtook that wig off, it was like
shame came out of my body.It was like all of the depression came

(28:47):
out of my body. Like Ifelt like I no longer had to pretend.
And if it was a message forme from God that basically said,
if you will just be authentic,like I'm not asking you to be t
d. Jake's I'm not asking youto be woman thou art lose. I
am just asking you to be you. And I will take you with a
win cap on with one hundred thousandpeople watching online and it going viral all

(29:08):
over the world, and I willstill put my glory on it. I
will use the most foolish, crazymoment and I'm going to put my wind
on it, and I'm going touse it for my glory. And so
I will say, if you arereceiving a baton of any kind, to
trust the authenticity that led you tobe in position in the first place.
And if you can protect that authenticity, if you can protect that creativity,

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that mindset, that innovation, ifyou can trust that that's what puts you
in position. Still, of course, open yourself up for wisdom. But
I'm really protective over my authenticity.And if you do that, God will
continue to give you downloads. Youwill continue to create space where there was
no space, and you will bea teacher to generations that came before you

(29:51):
and something that generations coming up canaspire to. Yeah, I love that.
I love that. That really goeswith the next thing that I want
to talk about, because your authenticityis able to reach different generations. Because
my mom and I like we connectthrough your sermons. I put my mom
on I was like, girl,you gotta listen, you gotta tune in,

(30:15):
but please talk to us about realizingthough that authenticity and also you being
yourself and it being just enough.You being just enough will touch different generations.
I mean I want to speak aboutblack women in church. Black women

(30:36):
in church have been the backbone offaith communities. They would not exist without
black women. And yet black womenwere not allowed to stand in the poolpit.
The pastor could be sleeping with ablack woman, he kept the church.
The black woman had to leave orsit in the back, like we
are raising the children, we're cookingthe fish dinners in the back. And
yet you can't preach and you can'ttake a text. And so I think

(31:00):
that in an effort to serve Godand to serve well and to maintain what
was sacred in their faith, thatblack women shrunk in order to still experience
community and connection in spaces that weren'talways honoring of them. And so I
think when you see something like womenthat aren't loose, and then you see
woman evolve, which is not justa man opening the door for a woman

(31:22):
to say you're loose, but nowa woman saying I'm going to take this
position and I'm going to take itfurther, and I'm going to give expression
in a way that only a womancan understand. My father says all the
time, there's stuff we do awoman evolved that he wouldn't even think of
doing because I'm a woman and Iknow how to put together things that create
safe spaces for women to be vulnerable. And so that's why that authenticity is

(31:45):
so important, because you never knowwho's authenticity you're unlocking. And when I
first started sharing my story about beinga teen mom, which I thought,
like, I thought I was goingto tell my story and they would like
tell me to go sit down andbe quiet somewhere because there was so much
like and exposure coming my way thatI kind of told my story thinking it
would sabotage the attention and people wouldleave me alone to be honest. And

(32:07):
I told them and they were like, oh my gosh, that happened to
me too. There were women literallyseventy years old saying, when you told
your story, you told my storytoo. And I've never been able to
tell anyone because in spaces of faith, where we were supposed to be taking
care of them, where we weresupposed to be restoring their honor and restoring
their value, we told them,you have no more honor, you have
no more value, Be quiet andsit down. And I got to be

(32:29):
this voice before God took her toher next stage of life that said,
girl you can still get up,and girl you can still dream, and
girl you can still be worthy,and you can still be considered innocent and
pure and fabulous and amazing and divorcedand have worked at the strip club and
have done all of these things,Like you don't have to be defined by
these moments. And so I thinkthat we were at a stage where women

(32:52):
really needed to not just hear liberation, but maybe see an expression of it.
I don't think I'm the end allbe all, but I think I
do get to service expression. AndI take that seriously, yes, no
absolute, like honestly, Like Ithink when I think about even my personal
faith, like so much of itwas built in the tough times, like
even me going to church as ateen, Like I didn't grow up like

(33:15):
as a kid in the church,but like like my preteen teen years,
I started going because I think itkind of became a refuge. And I
think that I kind of felt likeI need somebody bigger than us, everybody
in this house, to help usget through what we're going through. And
I think that every time I findmyself on my knees like that, whether

(33:36):
it's like college stuff or trying tofigure out adulting or being broke and trying
to like get do your dreams.Like those are the moments where I find
that my faith, like I feellike I turned to it the most,
but also when I feel like it'salso I turned to it because I know
what Those are the moments where I'mlike, it's easiest for me to just

(33:57):
maybe turn away from it, SoI think part of me is like turn
towards it, so I don't turnaway from it, but also because it's
just what I feel the most outof control is when I'm looking for somebody
to help me be in control.We joke as millennials we have lived through
so many in president of time,like if we could just get some presidented
time's Lord, Like, if youcould just run us one of those precedented

(34:20):
years, it would be so fabulous. But like, how like do we
keep the faith in God's plan whenso much suffering is going on? That's
the conversation I find myself having withso many friends. It's so easy to
think that God forgot about you wheneveryou go through some really tough times.
I think about in Genesis, likeGod had only a few roles for man

(34:43):
and woman, and one of themwas do not eat from the Tree of
the knowledge of good and evil,which says to me that like in God's
infinite plan, like he had nodesire for us to have the knowledge of
good and evil. And you knowthat eight from this tree, and now
we are living with the knowledge ofgood and evil. And I'm constantly reminding

(35:04):
myself that good has a source andevil has a source. Right, Like,
I can't just say that all ofthese good things are happening in my
life because God has maken a wayand He's got a plan, and the
plan is coming through without acknowledging thatthere is another plan. And so because
those plans are in competition, Ithink properly assigning what's happening in our life
to the right source is part ofit, because a lot of times God

(35:29):
gets the right for the good thingsand the bad things. And my personal
philosophy, you know me, likeI don't stuff anything down anyone's throw is
like God is good. Like Ibelieve in the goodness of God. I
believe that the systems and strategies thatGod put in the earth are worthy.
I mean, the sun is stillrising, the ocean is still in motion,
like when God puts something together,it works and it functions unless it

(35:51):
is sabotaged. Our existence has beensabotaged. And so now I have to
do the hard work of parsing outwho came from what and what did well,
but also responding to the role thatI can play and being a part
of God's goodness because suffering these competitionand evil needs competition. And if we

(36:12):
are rendered so fearful that we arenot able to be the goodness we want
to see, then we are notpaving away for more goodness to emerge.
And so I really do believe thata part of all of our existence and
purpose. Everyone's like, what ismy purpose? What is my purpose?
I want to write books, Iwant to do this, and I think
we've made purpose materialistic when purpose isabout existence. My purpose is to make

(36:37):
sure that goodness invades the earth evenin the most darkest seasons. And so
you know, more than my thoughtsand prayers are with you, like,
how are we treating the cashiers?How are weeding treating people on social media?
How can I do my part tosay, you know what, I'm
gonna hold my corner down. Iwish I could do something about what's happening
in the Middle East. I wishI could fix it. I'm not gonna

(36:58):
lie. If I could, itwould be fixed. But I can do
something about this corner I'm on inDallas, and I think that if we
can all take ownership and we seethe ownership when someone else says something good,
it allows us to experience hope.I wrote this book All Hope Is
Found because a lot of times,when we are feeling so stagnant or stifled
by fear, we're just waiting onsomething to come and bring us hope.

(37:19):
But hope is an active experience,and so I got to go looking for
hope by becoming hope and acknowledging hope, and it comes into my door.
Ooh god, I was there ontime. Ooh God, the internet worked
for this interview. Like those littlethings are little moments of hope that I
cling on too, because when theygo down, I'm like, the devil
is busy. But what about themlittle moments When y'ad was like, I'm

(37:40):
gonna let your internet work for thisinterview, Like I gotta hang onto these
little moments of like God's going aheadof me and working things out. Yeah,
I love that you put it ashidden faith, I mean hidden hope.
Yeah. So when I was thinkingabout that and having to explore,
you know, your experiences in livinglife in order to find those pieces of

(38:01):
hope that can keep you together,and I guess give you unwavering faith because
I've been trying to learn from thewavering faith because it don't quite We'll be
wavering just a little bit. Yeah, it's just so hard to figure out

(38:21):
the faith and keeping it whenever somethingis heavy on your spirit. But why
is it so easy to go downthat rabbit hole of just letting go of
faith? Like that's sometimes I feellike that's the first to go. I
can tell you. So, myson is twenty one now, and a
couple of years ago he was goingthrough something. He was like, you

(38:44):
know, I'm supposed to be lettinghim be an adult, but I'm used
to him being my kid, andso I'm trying to assume this position,
like, Okay, you're eighteen,you're an adult. You can do what
you want, but really you needto do what I told you to do.
And he would not do what Itold him to do and was terrible.
But I had to really pray becauseI had to trust God with him

(39:04):
in a way I've never had totrust God with him before. And I
think we lose faith when we arein uncharted territory because I'm having to trust
God in a way I've never hadto trust God before. Like I've never
had to trust you to help meclose a deal of this size before.
I trusted you to help me payrent, but that was different. It
was rent, Like this is adeal that could be life changing, And
what if you don't show up,what if you aren't consistent here the way

(39:27):
you were consistent there. And Ithink that for especially us who are kind
of like walking out our faith outand we really want to be in relationship
and not just be religious, it'sno different than when you're friends with someone
or you're in a romantic relationship withsomeone. And it's like, I've never
had to trust you when I'm goingthrough a medical procedure, like will you
wipe my butt? Like you knowwhat I mean. Like, I've never

(39:47):
had to trust you like this,And so I think you can acknowledge that
this is a new area of faithfor me. I am going to lean
into trusting you, and I'm goingto tell you when I'm afraid, and
I'm I want to trust that theycan exist at the same time, Like
I don't have to be a prayinggrandmother when I'm an infant in this place
and I'm okay with that. Carryme, hold me, send me aside

(40:13):
something I need to pacify it.I am a baby. If you want,
please what I love what you're talkabout, how they can exist at
the same time, because I thinkso many people feel the shame of like
these bad feelings towards life and Godand feel like they have to turn away

(40:34):
from it because they feel like,oh, I'm angry. I can't be
angry at God when like it's likeGod is the one who can handle your
anger. My greatest desire is todemystify what it means to be in relationship
with Jesus. Like there were plentyof times where the disciples were like you
told me to do something, Icouldn't do it. Why not? Or
I'm afraid what was that Mary receivedit. I'm gonna get pregnant by the

(40:57):
Holy Spirit, and she's afraid whatmanner of response that you would call me
favor? Like we see all throughoutscripture where humans were like side eyeing God
like I don't know about it,Like are you sure get somebody else to
do it? And God's like no, I'm gonna continue to be faithful.
Sometimes all I have is my obedience. Sometimes I don't have my faithfully.
Sometimes it literally is a mustard seed. Sometimes I don't have hope. All

(41:20):
I have is my obedience, likeI'm gonna do it. And then God
gets to side eye us in thosemoments of victory, like now you remember
you up there telling about it wasjust you and your team, but you
remember that you barely made it acrossthe finish line. And that's how we
get to be in relationship with him. It's like if I could trust you
with that, the same guy whodid it then will do it. Then
that's how we build that reservoir.Yeah, I'm trying to build. I

(41:44):
guess my relationship back with the church. That's fair. But also I think
I find that church you're supposed tobe your most vulnerable, and I think
at one point some person said somereally mean things to me in the church,

(42:04):
and I think after that I waslike, ah, maybe I'm not
supposed to be here, you knowme? And am I supposed to receive
the word in other ways. SoI let that, you know, keep
me away from the church for almostprobably like seven years, eight years.
I know, but I'm not judging, I know, but it's just,
you know, even with saying it, sometimes you feel like, you know,

(42:25):
especially coming from the background like ofgoing to church all the time and
then just not going at all.But for people who are trying to find
their way back to church or justtrying to find spiritual practice that speaks to
them, Yeah, what advice doyou have for me and those people?
Because it's me and them, Well, I think I would start by asking

(42:49):
why do you want to make yourway back to church? Because there is
a difference between I want to reallyexercise my faith. I want to,
my case, learn more about Jesus, like I want to learn more about
the history of colonialism and how tofaith have Like I want to dissect this
white man's religion thing. How couldsomething so once important to me now I

(43:13):
have this, you know, legitimatecritique about it, and so I want
to go on this journey for myselfversus like I want to go back to
church because for me, church isa space where my relationship with God is
confirmed, stretched, and where Ialso get to be surrounded by people who
at least have one thing in common, and that is that we are here

(43:36):
to have our faith stretched, confirmed, reaffirmed, validated. I'm not necessarily
here to make friends. I'm notnecessarily here to meet my next therapist.
I may need to go in,sit in the back, and leave just
so that I can be in theenvironment. Because there is something powerful about
like I can't lift my hands inworship, but when I'm in a space
and someone else is doing that spirituallifting for me, I can feel relief

(44:00):
from my own pain, my owndepression. So there is something beautiful about
being engaged in community, but reallyhaving the proper standard for what that community
experience is supposed to be can bevery helpful. Church should not be your
sole place where you encounter God,and so if you can learn to create
environments of worship at home, createsacred spaces of meditation and prayer for yourself

(44:24):
by yourself, you'll be protective ofthat when you go into a church space.
But it won't be a wall.It'll be like a gate where like
what's for you can get through andwhat's too big or too hard or too
evil or too raggedy, right,like can't get through, and so I
think being really intentional, and Ido mean raggedy, because sometimes I mean

(44:45):
we got it. Pastors are notalways qualified to walk you through every single
thing that's happened to you. Theyare not qualified always to tell you how
you should be living your life orwhat should be happening in your world.
But what they can do is helpconvict you in an area that God has
already highlighted, where you can goback into your relationship with God and wrestle

(45:07):
with this, like what does obediencelook like? What does my response look
like? But this should not bethe place where I am telling you every
single detail about your life, becauseI don't know every detail about your life.
But if I can get you toa space where your heart is more
open to God, where you arebeing confirmed in something that you've already pursued,
then maybe, just maybe I've gottenyou one step closer to who you're

(45:30):
supposed to be in God. ButI don't want to be the final say
over your destiny and over your lifeand over your joy and your heartbreak.
I just want to be another voicethat God uses along the way. And
I think sometimes it has to doI think at that moment when I decided
to just leave church, I shouldjust look for another one. Yeah it's

(45:52):
hard, Yeah it's hard to dothat. But I think that's where I
probably made the mistake. I didn'tblame God at all for it. I
just knew that, you know,some people are just not nice. You
know what's funny. I have foundthat a lot of people who have left
black churches because you know what,for whatever reason, like they have found
community in white spaces, and thenwhite spaces start getting on their nerves a

(46:15):
little bit too, and then youfind like a little mixed. But I
think that we have different expressions ofGod too. I try to work on
this even in my own messaging,because I think faith has come down to
when we're struggling, when we're goingthrough hard seasons, when we see the
role that faith played even throughout slavery, Like it has become a space where
when you need to fight, whenyou need to wrestle, like I pull

(46:37):
from my faith, and you know, sometimes in white spaces, like it
really is about just like going outand being a good person and just like
trusting God and knowing that He's foryou and being the light of the word
world and like, but they requiretry. Yeah, you gonna have to
listen. You have to listen beforeyou That's why I feel like the best

(46:59):
of the stuff. Much struggle onour vocal cords that we got to do
with generational pain just be coming downon the right. I want to light.
I'm entering into my light worship erawhere I just have a I have
a hippie pray a little bit.Also was screaming that the way when you

(47:20):
talked about the white churches, youhit the little tone and then did you
see I did? I saw youswitch and I was like lo o L.
But I think no, I meanto your point about like finding the
hybrid churches. I've attended one churchwill A more than a few times since
I've moved through Lot Angelis, andI do think like churches like that feel
like a hybrid where it's like youcan wear what you want to wear,

(47:43):
you know, the deacons saint likegirl or you know whatever. But also
like the choir is the choir,you know, but it's like the can
be like a bore of like ared of a statement, so it feels
a little bit like a mix.But I think sometimes the what can become
viewed as mess of religion makes peoplefeel more comfortable being like, listen,
I believe in God, like Iknow clearly that's it's hard, Like you

(48:07):
know, like this exists. Ibelieve that by find when I the more
like the older I get, themore I speak to people, it's hard
for people to really get with nowthe Jesus of it all. And it
may be because the way feel like, how important are our denomination? How
do I how do you explain theimportance of the Jesus of it all?
When religion has gotten so cluded.That is my assignment, that is my

(48:34):
assignment in the earth. And Itaught a lesson a couple of years ago
called own Your Lesson, and Iultimately talked about like the life of Jesus
is the mark. And by thelife of Jesus, I mean his spirit
in the earth, the way thathe engaged with people, the way that
he communicated like this is the markfor humanity. And I think that religion

(49:00):
has been about control. There's nodenying that it's been. Unfortunately, it's
played a role in the abuse ofa lot of people, and there's no
denying that. So like as apastor, as someone who considers this my
assignment in the Earth. I willnever gaslight somebody's church experience because I got

(49:22):
pregnant at thirteen, Like they weresending me blankets telling me my baby was
gonna die because I had sex outsideof marriage. So like, I recognize
fully how harmful it can be tobe a person in a space where you're
supposed to be vulnerable and to bedamaged or wounded. My suggestion is this,

(49:42):
if you can really embark on thejourney of just studying the life of
Jesus, just like study the lifeof Jesus or get plugged into someone who's
teaching it, and if you heara message you like, then opening your
own Bible, right because you don'trely on someone else to be your only
source. But maybe they say somethingthat strikes you about something Jesus said,
and then you get in your Bible. You can get the message version.

(50:02):
The message version is the closest tothe bonus version as possible. But get
the message version and then ask yourself, like, what does this show me
about his character? What does thisshow me about his spirit? What does
this show me about who he wasin the earth? And what does this
show me in comparison to how Ishow up and do I feel kindred to

(50:23):
this at all? Does this feellike something that I aspire to be in
the earth? I think that thatis the part where like, we teach
a lot of rules, but wedon't teach a lot about the life of
Jesus, and the life of Jesusis so impactful and so inspirational and so
powerful that there's an opportunity for usto be in relationship with Jesus where He's

(50:45):
like, listen, you can't doall the heavy lifting, but if you
were partnering with me, you acceptme as your savior. As in saying
that I am the Mark, There'sno way I'm gonna make it through this
troublesome world. He was in atroublesome time unless I link up with someone
who's thinking the way that you're thinking. Let this mind that was in Christ
also be in you, Like thisis my goal and this is now how
I choose to see the world.It does change our relationship with the text

(51:10):
and our relationship with pastors in thechurch, because now I'm just here to
see if you know something about Jesusthat I haven't discovered yet, or something
that I'm just learning and you canhelp me unpack it. Now. I
know that was maybe like a littlechurchy, but I'm trying to make it
real for people and for me.Jesus is how I want my spirit to

(51:30):
be in the earth. Like Iwant to see somebody calling the active adultery
and tell somebody back up off ofthem, and then turn to her like,
girl, now what was you doing? Like, don't do that,
no more. You better than this, you know what I mean. Like
I want to walk up on somebodyit's a Samarian woman who I'm not supposed
to be in conversation with, andsay I'm willing to break the rules to
go and talk to you, LikeI want someone to be connected to me
and feel like, oh my gosh, I just pulled power from you,

(51:51):
like the woman with the issue ofblood, Like I want to empower people
to go out and be the goodthat we want to see in the earth.
And Jesus does that time and timeagain throughout scripture, and so that's
why I love him, That's whyI'm in relationship with him, and that's
why I'm constantly like trying to checkmyself to see how I can grow and
stretch and I love that. AndI think that also speaks to like,

(52:14):
when you describe yourself as a modernwoman of faith, this is what that
looks like what you just explain tous, I hope. So, I
mean, I think what hopefully makesme a modern woman and faith is that,
like, as I am learning more, I'm sharing more, which means
that I don't feel stuck in onedefinition of who I have to be.

(52:36):
I think I give myself the abilityto have fluidity on this journey. And
I feel like faith has been sorigid in the past that once you are
something, you have to stay thatway forever. And I think that's why
a lot of people shout away fromit, because it's like, listen,
I don't know who I'm gonna bein ten years, and if I got
to promise that I'm gonna be thisperson in ten years, I would rather

(52:57):
save you the disappointment and just figurethis thing out on my own. But
I pray that what makes me amodern woman and faith is that I give
myself space to say this is whatI know to be true today, but
I'm willing to lay that truth downat the feet of my relationship with Jesus.
I'm willing to lay this truth downin worship and through humility and relationship
with other people, and to receivea new truth that I'm yet being transformed,

(53:21):
and I'm yet being changed, I'myet evolving evolving. Yeah, I'm
evolving, and I'm willing to reintroducemyself over and over and over again so
that you get to experience who Iam now. Yeah. I love that.
I love one body evolving and beingable to see that evolving is actually
to evolve means that you have togo through it all. It can't be

(53:45):
just the good parts. And Ilove that you're freeing people like me and
I'm try a whole bunch of otherpeople to be able to come back and
you know, be able to sitwith the Word of God and also do
it with love and correction. LikeI like loving correction. I like what

(54:05):
you just did. Like, girl, why was you in that man face
to down? Not get up?You know you girls down? I do
want to know. I do wantto know, like what exactly rest looks
like for you? Though? Likehow are we defining rest? Well?

(54:30):
I love going to bed so likethere is just that there is just a
straight up go to bed. Ilove being in the bed all day,
like watching TV, binge watching like. I love being in the bed and
sleeping and then just staying in thebed once I awake. I love sitting

(54:50):
outside. I love sitting outside,Like as soon as the weather acts like
it's going to be even a littlebit nice, I'm out outside. There's
something about fresh air. There's somethingabout nature that really feeds me. If
I have checked those boxes, thenI like cooking. Cooking is RESTful for
me, which I know is noteveryone's testimony, truly not, but I

(55:15):
have decided it is control because Ican see all of these ingredients that look
like they could never turn into anythingbecome something so flavorful, so delicious,
something that brings people joy. Inone sitting everything else I'm working going like
Lord, it might be six monthsbefore I see if this thing worked out,
but at least with cooking, likeI get an immediate answer. I

(55:37):
love. I'm introverted by nature,So I love being at home with my
family and my kids. My sevenyear old and my other kids are they're
grown now, they're trying to leaveme. But I have a seven year
old and a fourteen year old,and they're trying. They're trying. It's
crazy, but I love them,my seven year old and fourteen year old.
They're so spicy and crazy. Soyeah, that's it. They bring

(56:00):
me rest. I'm happy. I'mhappy for resting. I love to rest.
We all love to rest. Butdo you get antie? Do you
feel like auntie when you rest?Because I will never get an ants there's
no ants or e. So here'sI do get a little antie. Like
I have had such a jam packthis jam pack year that like when I

(56:22):
didn't have a project on, Iwas like, I have anxiety about not
having anything to have anxiety about.So I do need to like break the
rhythm. We're going on to eightday vacation, and I am worried that
by like day four, I'm goingto be like we need to go,
we need to go, we needto go. But but I'm already going
into vacation like you have to bea different person, like you were going

(56:43):
to learn to live in Mexico,Like you're not going to vacate, You're
learning to live. So like I'mhoping that we're not coming home early.
I won't do it. You betternot. But now I think I think
you know one of the things.One of the main reasons we definitely also

(57:07):
wanted to have you on this showis I think something as far as our
purposes, whether it's this podcast andyour ministry share, is speaking to black
women first, and like, youknow, I think it's like, obviously
other people may get the message.Obviously, you know, there's tons of
people who relate to what you're doing. But why I love you, and
I feel like why Scotti loves youis because you're the past that we can
go to and we feel like it'sit's coming from one of us, and

(57:29):
she's saying it in a way thatspeaks directly from understanding from I've been there
to the soul of like us.And you know, one of the ways
we always like to close is witha few words of affirmation, to giving
our listeners a few words of affirmationthat have held whether it's something that's held
us over for the past week orjust something we want to share from our
experiences. And I was wondering,like if you could perhaps bless us and

(57:53):
bless our listeners with an affirmation beforeyou before we let you go, because
your affirmations have been are before we'vequoted you, like a few times that
pushed through some Yeah, okay,I think things that are helping me right

(58:20):
now, as far as affirmations areI am worthy of rest, I am
capable of walking in divinity, Iam powerful and my most raw state,

(58:44):
I am just getting started. Andanother one that's really helping me, I'm
going to live a long life.I'm going to live a long life.
That's really helping me because I amI don't. I think when I was
pregnant with my son at thirteen,the doctors thought I would die giving birth
to him, and so I've alwayslived with like this fear of death and

(59:06):
I have like really just been constantlylike, I am going to live a
long life. I am worthy ofrest. I don't have to cram everything
into this moment because I have timeand I'm not going to miss it.
I'm not going to miss what Godhas for me in this moment in pursuit
of the next moment. I don'tknow if that fits the bill. No,

(59:28):
those are the things that are helpingme, of course, especially that
last part, because I think it'sso hard. So when it's your moment,
like when it's like you've been elevatedto this new level that you never
saw yourself in the feel like Igotta do everything. I gotta rush it.
I don't know how much time I'mgoing to have. I don't know
how long I'm going to have thisattention to stage, this whatever I got
to make for most of my tenminutes. And I love that you're saying,

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like, I can take my timewith this. I'm going to live
a long life, like I cantrust Even earlier in the episode, you're
like, I could trust God thathe's see me here and he'll keep the
pace going. Yeah, through seeingme through that's that part of it.
I am worthy of rest because Ithink when you do get into that mentality,
it's a lack of mentality, andwe are seeing opportunities slip through our

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hands, like even opportunities that haven'teven come into our lives. We're like,
if I don't hustle, if Idon't show up, then I could
miss something. And I really dobelieve that that's what keeps me from experiencing
rest, and so being able tosay like I am worthy of having rest,
Like I've worked really hard this year, and yes there's still eighteen thousand

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things that I could be doing,but right now, my body needs rest.
I need to feel what's happening inmy soul. I need to balance
my nervous system, like I amworthy of getting back to neutral before going
full throttle again. Shure, that'samazing, that's great. Thank you so
much, Sor for joining us onthe show this week. Thank you,

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just thank you altogether. I thinkyou really you have really and I can
speak for Sylvia as well. You'vereally helped with how we've moved and been
able to put one foot in frontof the other this year, especially for
me. So I want to saythank you. Please keep freeing, because

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you will continue to do this andbe able to free so many other black
women to be able to speak andnot be able to suffer in silence the
ways that our grandmothers have, theways that our great aunts have. I
have seen so many people go intothe next life without being able to voice
what exactly was on their heart.So I appreciate you so much for coming

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on the show. Yes, you'reso truly love you like down even more
after this conversation, like it's likeFox, You're amazing. It's so important.
Thank you for being here. Importyou because we have to give you
that moment because literally every Sunday.You doing that to us, so I

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just really had to take Also,how can we keep up with you anything?
Yeah? Tell me? Well,I am on I'm on Instagram,
I'm a TikToker, I'm a contentcreator, I'm I'm entering my influencer Eric.
So if you want to see mefail and get back up again on

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TikTok, you can do that there. But you know, I've got all
kinds of things in twenty twenty fourconference, I got a book coming out,
but I right now, you know, just watch me rest. In
the meantime, make sure you keepup with the show online using the hashtags
Scotty and Sylvia Show because I knowy'all gonna run it up on Twitter with
the quote show please. Yeah,I know, And we're going to see

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them all And make sure you comeback for more of The Scotty and Sylvia
Show because we do it all foryou. New episodes of The Scotty and
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producers are also us Scotti Bean andSylvia Obel. I know that's right,
I am. And Executive producers fromRadio are Jacqui Jador, Benoni Tago and
Everyone's favorite girl, He's a Ray. The associate producer from Radio is May
say Hi, our senior producer isGabrielle Horton, sound engineer is Ian Tackne,

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and our video editor is Jay Pendrich. And a big thank you to
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