October 16, 2024 • 57 mins
Enhancing Family Safety with Ed Calderon
In episode 300 of The Secure Dad Podcast, host Andy Murphy talks with security specialist Ed Calderon about teaching children self-protection.
Ed Calderon, known for his expertise on security issues along the U.S.-Mexico border, shares insights on how parents can prepare their children for real-world dangers, discussing the importance of engagement and real-world exposure to improve situational awareness. The discussion also covers non-verbal cues of potential danger, like body language and drug-influenced behaviors, while sharing personal stories and strategies for fostering resilience and vigilance in children.
For more on Ed Calderon: https://www.edsmanifesto.com/
Watch the Interview with Ed: https://youtu.be/yf4tO6AzP1o
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Andy (00:13):
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My guest on the show today is Ed Calderon.
Ed is a security specialist and instructorwith operational experience along the U.
S.
Mexico border.
He is the host of the ManifestoRadio Podcast and has been a two time
guest on the Joe Rogan Experience.
But most importantly, he's a dad.
Here's my conversation with Ed Calderon.
(03:32):
Ed, thank you for taking time out ofyour schedule to talk with me today.
Introduce yourself to everybody.
Ed (03:37):
First off, thank you for this invitation.
And, uh, my name is Ed Calderon.
I am known as a subject matter expertwhen it comes to, regional cartel
conflicts in Mexico, border issues,um, certain unconventional and kind
of like, uh, obscure, methodologiesrelated to, people improvising and
(03:59):
hiding and utilizing, improvisedweapons and just weapons of opportunity.
Which I've been hired by a few federalagencies and a few military agencies
to basically show in some of thismaterial, and also just go across the
country and show this material freelyto anybody that wants to learn it.
Uh, and on the other side of it, Ialso, train people in the, the very
(04:20):
misunderstood subject matter of thisescapology, basically, how to be the
means of your own rescue, when it comesto being retained under, uh, under false
pretenses or, uh, being kidnapped and,and, and things like that, that nature.
A big part of what we do, uh, becauseit's more than just me and this company
that I run called, uh, Sneak ReaperIndustries, a big part of what we do is
(04:42):
basically we, we try and there's a lot of,uh, there's a lot of, uh, concepts, uh,
out there that, that are considered forforbidden knowledge or secret knowledge,
and I learned most of the best tricksthat I've managed to impress, uh, uh,
SF guys, SEAR instructors, um, most ofthose tricks came from kids that were
(05:06):
playing around with some of the shitthat I had to, that I got to face.
So, uh, we're trying to make the dark artsa bit more, uh, to come into a bit more
into the light, you know, people learnsome of these things because of need and
certain pretty horrible environments.
And, uh, you know,things change and shift.
If you go to places likePortland, it's a nice place one
(05:27):
day and, um, you know, no cops.
So like that's, that's kind oflike one of the big aspects of what
I'm known for and what I do.
Andy (05:34):
Gotcha.
Yeah, I had the opportunity.
I actually, I had COVID while doingUrban Movement Online with you.
And so, uh, that was a great opportunity.
I appreciate you putting some ofthis stuff online so that people
who really can't travel or peoplewho have COVID like I did at the
time, can participate in that.
I really do appreciate that.
Ed (05:52):
Yeah, a big part of the stuff we're doing now online is bringing some of that
again the online training stuff So wehave a Patreon and a pretty interesting
discord that if people are interestedin some of the stuff that That we've
done in urban movement both in some ofthe live class and those on some of the
online training It's a pretty good addon to people's Uh, skill sets, uh, we
(06:15):
go over secure phone communications, uh,tracking people online, verifying news,
uh, stories by figuring out where thingswere filmed and when, that type of stuff.
It's a beautiful thing.
Uh, again, if like, if people are intothat and highly recommend they join us.
Andy (06:29):
I, uh, I support you on Patreon.
There's a lot of good stuff there.
And also I just joined the discordand I noticed that one of the, the
subjects in the discord was on tacosand people are posting pictures
of like tacos that they're eating.
And I hope this weekend I can contributeto that part of the, uh, the discord.
Ed (06:46):
Tacos are an essential part of my life.
Uh, I've, uh, I took, uh, I tooksome of the producers of the show,
The Taco Chronicles on Netflix.
Andy (06:55):
Mm hmm.
Ed (06:56):
I took them to some of the they came to Tijuana and they went to the spots that
were recommended And I'm like, I'm fromTijuana that you went to the safe spots.
Those are
Andy (07:08):
Right,
Ed (07:09):
I don't like you have to have some survival skills to
be able to enjoy the good ones
Andy (07:16):
Believe you I believe you man
Ed (07:17):
At some point I'm gonna organize a taco safari for some of the guys that
are on the Patreon or the Discord and UhIt's going to be quickly apparent why.
Andy (07:28):
Gotcha.
Ed (07:28):
Like I took him to a taco spot that had no signs on it.
It was just somebody's backyard and they,and uh, they cried with those tacos.
Andy (07:38):
That's great.
That is, that is awesome, man.
Uh, so what are the reasons youhave all these great skill sets?
So you, you, you do all this stuff.
And I wanted to talk to youtoday because you're also a dad.
And you know, you're like me,you are trying to, make sure
that the next generation has askillset that they need to protect
themselves and that sort of stuff.
What are some of the things that parentstoday in 2024 need to be teaching
(08:01):
their kids to protect themselves?
Ed (08:04):
Number one is engagement.
Um, uh, we live in a society rightnow, and I, some of our kids are
coming up traumatized from COVID.
The whole aspect of distance,mask, isolation, right?
To us, who are grown up and didn'tgo through that, we have no clue how
much damage that did to these kids.
(08:26):
Um, anxiety issues, uh, just this weirdspatial bubble that they are now living
with as far as tattoos in their minds.
And also being, seeing everybodyas a potential threat for pathogens
is something I've seen, you know?
Andy (08:41):
Yeah.
Ed (08:42):
With some kids, uh, that kind of live through that.
Um, my mother was very activein making me participate in
what was going on around me.
So, hey, we're going to the store,you're gonna pay for what we get.
Like, I was like, but I don't, youknow, like she would push me forward.
(09:02):
Uh, there's a homeless personwho's asking for money.
Like, I'm the one thathands the money over.
And I respond kindly to whateverhe, this homeless person says.
Um, there's somebody needing socks.
You know, we would hand out, my mom wouldalways have a bag of socks and underwear
that we would hand out to homeless people.
Um, I think one of the big aspects,um, that I see missing in a lot
(09:24):
of kids lives is that, you know,we want to keep them very secure.
We want to keep them isolated.
We don't want anybody to touchthem, anybody to contact them.
And they grow up with this.
false sense of safety and also this almostself imposed blindness as far as who's
around and they just don't talk to people.
(09:45):
You don't you don't get kids talking toother people And my kid, she's 10 and
sometimes she's with me for some of thepodcast recordings and some of the guests
that have shown up, uh, we had JoshBurnett, um, to show up to one of these.
And, uh, I was like, Josh, like Iwas nerding out on Josh Burnett, uh,
his legendary fucking MMA fighter.
(10:08):
And, uh, My daughter talked to himfor a long while about shop lifting.
Andy (10:16):
That's great.
Ed (10:17):
Why does she, why does a kid know how to do that?
She's never going to go hungry.
She knows it's wrong.
Um, but you know, there's, there'sa, there's spiciness to it.
I think Jordan Peterson, said thisbest, you know, a good parent has
to supervise stupidity closelyor something like that, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, And, uh, I think, again, that's,I think that's what's the big hole in
(10:42):
a lot of, uh, in a lot of a parenting,uh, parenting aspects is, you know,
if we're, if we're, uh, people thatare just not engaged with the world,
we don't volunteer for anything.
We don't, uh, go out, we don't talkto people, we don't do any of that.
Our kids are going to emulate us.
And a distra, uh, a, a, an isolated,nervous, person that puts himself in
(11:05):
self isolation is the perfect victim.
And that's not what you wantto raise your kids to be
Andy (11:14):
Yeah, I agree.
There was a situation that happened withmy son and a couple of his friends not
too long ago and I thought well, whydidn't they just like talk about this?
Why didn't they talk it out or whatever?
And it's just like the the idea oftalking to somebody that they're not
close friends with, it's not somethingthat they really want to do that
engagement thing that you're talkingabout it And i'm just trying i'm trying
(11:35):
to um, I just had uh, Eric O'Neill onthe show, and he talks about tasking
his kids with, you know, Hey, todayyou need to give somebody a compliment.
And I'm like, oh, that's great.
So, like, I, I, I tasked my son with doingthat, and then this hurricane came, and
he was home for a couple of days, youknow, so he hasn't gotten to do it yet.
(11:55):
Hopefully, I can get him to havethose engagements, like you're talking
about, being the one to go to thestore and paying and all that sort
of stuff, because you're right, it's,it's like a tattoo on their brains.
They're not, they're not where wewere when we were their age, right?
Yeah, it's it's a different world.
Uh, people are on their phones.
(12:15):
Um, danger, the face of evil, orthe predator, like when we were, we
were tribal people, and we were likehanging out around a campfire, and
one of our friends was sniped by aleopard, you know, we had a vague
notion of what that leopard looked like.
We figured out it was a leopardbecause we saw the tracks.
(12:35):
And we have this reaction to it,and now you see a live video.
You could put it on repeat as far aswhat that leopard looks like, you know,
we see the predator clearly, and we seethat he has or she has all of our faces.
Um, so it's not as, it's nota monster, a clear monster.
So I think that's a, that's a differencethat the kids are growing up with now.
(13:00):
I, I mean, I remember getting this, uh, myuncles would scare me with El Robachicos,
you know, the man with the sack, you know?
And it, they will always point it tothem like a, like a pretty, disheveled
homeless guy walking around likethat's the man in the sack and you
would worry about that guy, yeah?
But nobody would talk about the priestin the church that I would go to who was
(13:20):
later on found out to be a major pedophileAnd it turns out that was the monster.
So Yeah The subtleties of that areas far as the nature of that being a
reality for some of the people thatare now growing up with that, you know,
that the realization that monstersdon't really represent what they are.
(13:47):
Um, it's something I've alsotalked to my kid about a lot.
Um, like, uh, every now and then somebodydoes something really bad and I just.
Before I even mention what it is, I'lljust show her a picture of somebody and
say, What do you think about this person?
And she's like, well, she lookslike a nice person, you know?
I'm not trying to traumatize heror anything like that, but like,
then I, then I just, you know,tell her like, you know what?
(14:08):
This person was actuallya pretty bad person.
She did this and this.
Um, and she's like, oh,like, and she's like, wow.
Uh, she doesn't look like that.
Yeah.
And that's the lesson, you know?
Mm hmm.
Ed (14:20):
That's the lesson.
Look at people's actions.
Look at people's hands.
Mm hmm.
And leave the smiles for later,you know, I've always say this,
their hands kill faces smile, youknow, so just focus on the danger.
Just look at people, people willtell you who they are, if you learn
to look with your, uh, intuition andyour pattern recognition, you know.
Andy (14:40):
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
I'm a big believer in that.
Like, you and I grew up watchingMasters of the Universe, where
the monsters had skull faces andthese big claws and all this stuff.
They looked like monsters.
And you make such a good pointthat, nobody really looks like that.
All the bad guys look like you and me.
And so it is It is interestingto try to teach your kids, okay,
(15:02):
just because somebody has niceclothes and they look nice does
not mean they have nice intentions.
Ed (15:07):
Yeah, um, I had this moment, uh, I did some jungle warfare training way
back, um, and in Mexico we still have,um, you know, wild leopards running
around some parts of the country and thosethings will go after, like, alligators.
So they're, they're scary.
It dawned on me quickly why the humaneye can detect so many tones of green.
(15:31):
It's one of the colors that we candifferentiate the most out of all of them.
Andy (15:35):
Mm hmm.
Ed (15:36):
If you want to spot a leopard hidden in the bushes, you need that.
And there was this realization aroundthat like, oh, this is the fact that
we can, look at so many spectrums.
Green in our, it's, it'sjust because we're trying to
figure out what's out there.
How do you apply the same concept toour main predator, which is ourselves?
(15:59):
Pattern recognition, but a behavioralpattern recognition should be installed
in the software of a young kid.
Like, you know, what are these actions?
Why are they doing this?
What behavior are they expressing?
This is dangerous.
We probably shouldn't, you know, youknow, We probably should be here.
When I was in law, in my lawenforcement career, we had this,
(16:20):
uh, horrible case that, uh, wewere basically driving through a, a
community and they, we were waved down.
Um, we got outta the car.
We went into this very humble, um,it's not even a house it's the walls.
The walls of this house were madeout of, uh, garage doors and tarp.
(16:42):
And, uh, there was one of themost chilling things I've, I've
seen a lot of horrible stuff.
That was, that was pretty bad.
Um, This, uh, probably two, three yearold kid, uh, severely beaten, uh, like
a, like a boxing match level beating.
(17:04):
I've never seen a kid beat like that.
Um, and the parents there, um, bothof them fainting, like, I don't know
what happened, you know, I don'tknow, I don't know what's going on.
And it.
We had, we had some of, some of the,um, basically neighbors telling us that
(17:24):
there was a bunch of screams in there,like, look, look at what, like, um, and
I just had this moment of looking aroundthe room, the, the, the room where they
were, they were in, a very shanty littlehouse, and seeing the guy tuck his hands
underneath his armpits, like, Mm hmm.
(17:44):
You know, and he was smiling,like, I don't know, like, I'm
very angry at whoever did thisor I'm gonna fucking kill him.
Like, I wouldn't be crossing myarms and having my hands under my
armpits after somebody beat my son.
And I'm, I would be actively out therewith a machete looking for this fucker.
Um, and I said, show me your hands.
(18:05):
And, um, you know, this kid had milkteeth, but They, uh, they split open
one of his knuckles and it was on, um,how can you teach that to somebody?
Um, again, for me, it's been somethingI've been just learning just by
being around a lot of this type ofstuff, but how can you digest that?
(18:29):
And not traumatize your kid andshow him some of these things,
you know, people being deceitful.
What is that like?
You know, people trying to con you.
What is that like?
People trying to sell you on something.
You know, there's, there's a bunch ofways every now and then we, you know,
you'll, um, you will encounter somebodywith a sign saying like, hey, I need
money for an operation and you see them.
(18:52):
A week, a month, you see them indifferent places and then you get
into a Mercedes and drive away.
Mm hmm.
Um, instead of just lookingat that and, you know, huh,
taking that as an opportunity topoint at it and explain to your child.
Like, hey, they seem sad, right?
Yeah, okay.
(19:13):
They, if you, like, if you had a kidwho was really sick, would you have a
Mercedes or would you sell the Mercedes?
I'd sell my Mercedes.
They're not selling the Mercedes.
What do you think is going on there?
They probably don't have a kid.
Yeah.
And it's like, it's a moment like,people lie about that type of stuff.
Yes, they do.
(19:34):
Um, it's subtle, but each ofthese things are upgrades.
Um, and some people will say,yeah, you're teaching your kid
not to like that, to be paranoid.
Yeah.
Um, it's not, it's not about paranoia.
It's about vocalizing theirattention into things that they
should be paying attention to.
We can't, we can't, uh, our predatorscamouflage themselves through behavior.
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And we need to teach our kids tohave a better aspect, uh, a better
aspect of distinguishing thesebehaviors and patterns, you know?
And we start small.
One, having them being engagefulwhen they are out there and talking
to people, saying good morning, goodafternoon, helping somebody across the
street, having, giving them the thrillof being a lifesaver, uh, somebody
(20:24):
that just, I've seen my kid just handover socks and underwear to like those
people and they're like, thank you.
And she's like, yeah, no problem.
And she just beaming withlight after that interaction.
And also just then us walking around andthey don't give a fuck about me, they
don't say hi to me, they say like, hey,a princess, I know the princess, yeah,
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you know, she's, you know, that, that,that aspect of it, I think is beautiful.
And again, it gives them confidence,it boosts the right types of
endorphins in them, um, and italso engages them in the world.
And when they, when they driveby or walk by a homeless person,
uh, instead of looking forwardand not making eye contact.
(21:10):
She'll say, good morning, good afternoon,she'll treat them like human beings,
but she will look, you know, before youapproach anybody, just look at their
hands and look at their feet, direction,intention, you know, um, that aspect of
it, I think it's, it's pretty beautifulwhen you, when you realize you're not
doing any of the service or not scaringthem when you're doing this, you're
giving them the tools to distinguishbetween the camouflage that people
(21:34):
use, who are actually dangerous throughtheir behavior, through how they look,
how they act and what they're doing.
Andy (21:41):
I had the opportunity, um, and I call it an opportunity.
It really, it reallywasn't an opportunity.
Uh, I had the situation.
I was at a, uh, Walgreens with my sonand there was a lady there who was being
victimized in a gift card scam and shewas on her phone and she was nervous.
She was talking, saying strange things.
(22:01):
She was trying to findthis very particular type.
of Visa, a gift card going aroundto all the different people who
worked in the store trying tofind this very specific one.
And it was just odd behaviorbecause she's not looking or acting
like anybody else in the store.
Right.
And so she, she says something, she'slike, Oh, I need to go out to my car.
I'm going to put the phone downand I'll, and I'll be right back.
(22:22):
Cause she's going to leaveher phone in the store.
I don't know why.
She says, Oh, you don't want meto take the phone out of my hand.
And that was like this clue of, okay,this really is a gift card scam.
And this is what is going on.
So I explained to my son,this is what's happening.
And so I talked to thestore manager real quick.
I was like, has anybody triedto intervene and help this lady?
And they're like, we're not, theydidn't really kind of know what to do.
(22:43):
They knew something was up.
So I stepped in and I was like,Hey ma'am, are you in trouble?
Can I help you?
That sort of thing.
And that was the wrongway to approach that.
And I learned that right then.
And so.
Um, she ended up buying the cardand leaving, and I don't know
what happened to her after that.
So it was a learning experience for himto see somebody who was in duress, and to
see that, hey, my dad was at least willingto step up and try to do something.
(23:07):
I think about those moments where we seesomething that happens in real time and
in life and we try to explain How at theat an age appropriate level for our kids?
What they're seeing andwhat it really means.
Ed (23:19):
Yeah, there's I saw this, uh wildlife documentary where they were Uh, taking,
, rescued orangutan babies from a shelterand trying to release them in the wild.
And one of the things they had todo was basically teach them about
snakes to stay away from them.
So they would put these, theywould put these fake snakes,
uh, cover them with things.
They would, they would just, theexperienced one would back up
(23:42):
and like, Why aren't we back?
Oh, it's a snake.
Like everybody wouldlike back up, you know?
It's funny.
But yes, these, these moments thatcome in our lives, um, you know, this,
we don't live in the Barney universe,you know, no, not everybody wants
to be your friend, not everybody'sgoing to be friendly, not everybody
(24:03):
has your best intentions at heart.
And if your kid is growing up with thatsense of the world, that's not wonderful.
You know, I understand innocence.
Um, innocence is our distance to source.
Like if, that's why you get, that's whyyou have these instances of leopards,
(24:24):
baby leopards, playing with babygazelles in the middle of the savannah.
And you're like, what thefuck is going on there?
They're innocent.
Innocents, you know, the closer youare to God, that's probably that
you're the more innocent you are.
But the further you go from God, orfrom your birth date, that's when,
that's, uh, that's when a lot of theactual software that we need to kind
(24:45):
of have installed gets actuated.
My kid's 10.
She didn't, she stopped believingin the Easter Bunny and Santa
Claus probably around three, four.
She was like, dude's gonna come in thehouse and leave presents, I don't want
any presents, can we put the tree outside?
Andy (25:04):
I love it.
Ed (25:05):
So we had to, it's like, yeah, it's fine.
Um, but, uh, She's informed, she'scritical, um, she is, um, seeing
things and pointing things out that therest of the kids in her school don't.
It's like, uh, like, hey, like,she will, if something's wrong,
(25:27):
she will approach teachers andsay, hey, this, this happened, or
hey, that's going on over there.
Which is, if, if you're a girl, dad.
That's what you want.
You know, you want somebody to, you wanther to say something, to not be quiet, to
not be, you know, this little, you know,quiet thing, because that's, that's who
(25:48):
the, that's who the lions will go after.
You want them to be loud, vociferous,uh, demanding , critical, you know, uh,
she's not agreeable, yeah, of courseshe's not, she's not gonna fucking let
herself, you know, be, I don't know,uh, for me that's gonna be like, been
a big part of what I'm trying to do.
Andy (26:05):
Yeah.
And I get that.
And you know, some peoplejust don't understand.
They don't understand like,Oh, why would you do that?
Why would you teach heryour 10 year old that?
Why would you let her, youknow, do these sorts of things?
And it's like, because this is reality.
This is the real world.
This is what she is going to have to face.
This was my son is going to have to face.
And if we don't prepare them for that realworld, we haven't really done a good job.
(26:26):
Have we?
Ed (26:27):
No, they're unequipped.
Uh, and like, again, I have this.
Like, my kid, she's kind of like acelebrity at school because, you know,
somebody scrapes a knee, she has alittle blowout kit she pulls out.
Um, she's, uh, she's useful.
She's helpful.
Uh, she's, uh, active with everybody.
Like, my, her teachers are like,why, where did you get this kid?
(26:49):
Like, I don't know.
I just gave her the tools, you know, theconfidence, um, that these tools give her.
Um, another aspect of, of, ofwhat I've been doing with her as
well is I've been showing her,
It's very hard as a parentto be the cool teacher.
Does that make sense?
Andy (27:10):
Yeah, it does.
Ed (27:10):
Like, I have people, government agencies hire, fly me out across the
country, um, to show their federalagents or people that are about to go
and do God knows who, God knows where.
I just show them how to becapable and how to improvise
this and that and all this stuff.
And I sit down with my daughter andtry to show her some of this shit
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and she's like, you're not cool.
But, uh, I've had the privilege and,uh, To know a lot of people who are
amazing instructors on their own, right?
Um, I had Eddie Gallagher on the podcastand My daughter, um, ordered tacos for
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him, showed, showed Eddie Gallagher how toorder tacos and then proceeded to take out
a list of questions that she asked Eddie.
Andy (28:06):
That's awesome.
Ed (28:09):
Eddie, God bless that, God bless him.
He's an amazing human being.
I know, uh, uh, I, I,I can recognize that.
I can recognize people thathave gone through darkness and
he's, he's, he's one of them.
Um, but I, I, I, he's, he's, he'san amazing human being though.
Um, beautiful, beautiful man.
He's so patient with her.
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So direct and concise withhis, uh, kind of questions.
Like she would, what doyou think about this?
And then she would pull out her littleblowout kit and he would like add
this in there and add that and Legittook her serious with her questions.
Kids are serious It's a serious thingtalking to a kid and teaching a kid
something that kid can grow up andbe Something at the right moment for
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somebody else Sometimes we brush them off.
We don't understand theimportance of their questions.
That's a weird thingto kind of trip out on.
Uh, but if you have a kid,you're living in your kid's
childhood memories right now.
And are they good memories?
Or are you just fucking laying on your,with your underwear, eating Fritos in
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the corner, playing video games withyour kids, begging for attention?
Like, why are you in that memory?
Um, being present.
Let it, letting them ask questions andhaving beautiful, amazing people around
you that you can every now and then waslike, Hey, you're like, can you show.
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You know, I get sports are great.
My kids doesn't like sports.
She, she, she likes activities.
You know, she likes botany.
She likes collecting bugs.
She likes, uh, whittling.
She likes gear.
She has a little backpack that isined out, like, uh, uh, but, uh.
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But it's important.
It's fun.
It's interesting, but it's important.
There's an importance to it.
And when we start adding, when westart thinking about how important
it is to not only give kids thesupervision, um, give them home, give
them the food, give them rest, givethem all that, but also just giving
them the opportunities to experience.
(30:22):
And to ask, you know, from differenttypes of people, you know, my kids
been around Josh Burnett, EddieGallagher, I've had, um, she's trained
with one of the best female, um,martial arts instructors out there.
She has different conceptsof what a woman is.
You know, she, she sees a woman in thisMMA fighter, or she sees a woman in this
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healing woman that shows her how to useplants to, to, uh, treat a wound for
infections, which is something she'sdone in school and just blown minds, you
know, um, again, the, the whole aspectof just having them experience and just,
you know, be there for the supervisionaround it, but that's the, the whole
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app that, well, that's, that's what weneed to do, you know, um, We need to be
present for it, but we can't interrupt it.
Uh, they're going to probably fallmaybe, or scrape their butts or.
Something's going to happen.
It's going to happen andwe're there to catch them,
but we're not there tokeep them from falling.
That's not that's not and then thataspect of everything I think is
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has been pretty phenomenal to justkind of know And and and act upon.
Andy (31:34):
Yeah.
Yeah, a lot of wisdom there, man.
A lot of wisdom.
I wanted to go back to something yousaid a little while ago like when you're
when somebody is You know, when yourdaughter's approaching somebody, you say
to look at the hands, look at the feet.
I know a little bit aboutwhat you mean there.
Kind of explain to folks what aresome of those red flags or tells of
what hands and feet could be doingthat you need to kind of be aware of.
Ed (31:54):
Sure, a linear path of movement towards you, in any context, as far as
the street goes, is, should be a causefor, should be a cause for all of your
sensors to be activated, you know?
What's behind me, what's besideme, where can I go to, where can
I run, what do I have in my hands,what does he have in his hands, and
why is this person approaching me?
(32:16):
I have some pretty interestinginsanely famous friends and people
that have followed me on socialmedia know who these people are.
Being around them, uh, you know, one ofthem is a very famous singer, very famous,
uh, being around them is surreal, becauseyou see these people who have immediate
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recognition with people around them.
So you'll see somebody on thestreet that just looks at them and
starts going that straight line.
And, you know, everybody's acting, hetold me this, you don't know if this
person wants to shake my hand, youdon't know if this person wants to
ask for my autograph or if the personhas like bad intentions and you have
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to make that decision immediately.
So showed him this whole concept like,um, feet will show you direction.
And they will also show you whereweight is placed, you know, if
you're going to take a swing.
And whenever, whenever you seea boxing match, whenever you see
somebody hitting pads, whenever yousee somebody loading up for a kick or
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loading up for a, for a sprint, uh,pay attention to what that looks like.
If somebody is loading their backleg or their front leg as they're
approaching you, probably cause for alarm.
So the feet will give you a lot ofaspects of intention and awareness.
Um, one of the first things Ialways look at though, is the hands.
And usually hands are, are, arein, uh, at the height of the waist,
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so you can also look at the waist,which is usually where weapons are.
Um, so I do this quick equation in mymind, hands and waist, feet and pace,
you know, hands and waist, feet and pace.
And at the very end of it, it's the face.
I look at the face and the face isusually something I look at just as
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a, that's where I'm going to hit.
That's where I'm going to hit this person.
That's where I'm going to dodamage if something happens.
And that's what I don't want following me.
Right?
So that's how I kind of view that.
Like if somebody approaches you and theywant to kill you, it's going to be a
pretty hard thing to kill you if theycan't reach you if their only weapon
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is their mouth to bite you, you know?
They can kick you into traffic, butusually weapons will hide on the waistline
behind the back armed in their hands orJust already in their hands and that's
usually something you'll find with weaponsa lack of symmetry in somebody's stance,
somebody walking with a hand behind theirback, uh, just not seeing two hands,
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having one hand not swing when they walk.
Um, a good example ofthis is Vladimir Putin.
If anybody sees Vladimir Putin ina lot of these videos, he's always
walking with a straight hand.
His right hand is always straight,which indicates somebody that
carries a gun or has training.
He probably carries apiece wherever he goes.
I'm pretty sure
Andy (35:08):
I would imagine so.
Ed (35:10):
So that's a good, it's an interesting indicator of somebody who's.
Probably armed and has intentions otherthan your best, uh, your well being.
Um, funny enough, a lot of the, uh,if people can go and look at some of
the videos of some of the, uh, Chineseimmigrants pouring over the border, a
lot of them don't swing that right hand.
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And that's pretty alarming.
Um, but, uh, it's again, hands,that's where weapons hide.
Weapons hide in hands and weaponshide in clothing, waistlines usually.
Uh, a big aspect of some of theweaponry training that I do is like
people can get freaked out with it.
Like, why are you showing ushow to, how to make a cardboard
sheath for this kitchen knife andhow to hide it on a waistline?
(35:53):
Because it's hard to look forsomething that you've never seen.
Number one.
Sure.
Oh, it just.
And also, if you don't haveanything, you can have something.
You just go to Black Angusand just wrap something.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But again, uh, feet willindicate direction and weight
distribution intention.
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Hands will hide weaponry and, and,and waist and a waist wide weaponry
and a face will smile at you.
Um, I remember seeing old videos of someof the Sparrow hit men people and old
videos of some hit men in Eastern Europe.
And some of them were training toshoot an assassination type styles.
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And one of the first things they teachhim is to smile before they shoot.
Because it disarms yourvictim if you're like,
uh huh, and it just blew my mind thatthese fucking predators have that kind
of like mindset about so Hands and waist,feet and weight is what I show people
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kind of like basically to focus on.
A lot of people havedifferent concepts around it.
Um, for me, it's not just showingthem the awareness, it's showing them
what they can do if they know how to,showing them how to do what they're
going to be, have to defend against.
So, how to hide it, how to hide a weapon,how to palm a knife, um, how to conceal
your intentions, how to shift weight, howto, uh, Keep somebody from detecting the
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fact that you have a knife in your hand.
All of these things are builtinto awareness training for them.
How can you detect something if you'venever seen it or done it yourself?
Andy (37:29):
Yeah, that's wild.
You talked about the whole smiling thing.
I don't know if you, you ever saw thisor not, but Walt Disney had this show
called Zorro and, um, Guy Williamsplayed Zorro and he was a swordsman.
He actually, he fenced, hedid all this sort of stuff.
But one of his things was hewould smile at his opponent.
The whole time he had just this biggrin on his face and my dad pointed that
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out to me because he loved the show.
And he was just like it it it unnervesyour opponent Like why is he smiling just
gives him something to think about so Ithink that's I think that's interesting
Um, so in your career, you've come intocontact with a lot of unsavory people.
Is there one or two things that youjust see or notice about somebody and
you're just like, I've seen this before.
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I need to be cautious around this person.
What is like something kind of this ared flag you've developed over your life?
Ed (38:20):
I mean, trauma will give you pattern recognition.
And I don't want, I don't wantto tell people that you'll get
trauma because that's horrible.
Uh, um,
I don't know, like one of the bestjudges of character for somebody.
And it's something I make it apoint to, if they're a parent,
see if their kids like them.
I mean, if you, if your kiddoesn't like you, who are you?
Andy (38:45):
It's a good point.
It's a really good point.
Ed (38:47):
A kid could be your first witness, a kid is a pretty beautiful witness.
Um, other things could be your animalsand the way people behave around animals.
Uh, You know, I just have a dogaround and see somebody just being
It'll, it'll indicate something aboutpeople, the treatment of animals
and just treatment of other people.
Uh, somebody holding a door openversus somebody just walking
through and not giving a shitabout what's happening behind them.
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Some people think it's cultural.
Like in Japan, there's like, it's abig thing where people can't hold the
door open because you're gonna stay allthat all day because it's so crowded.
I get it culturally there.
Andy (39:17):
Sure.
Ed (39:18):
But here it's a sign of somebody's detached.
It's a small indication of a detachment.
It's a small indication of coldness.
It's a small indicationof a lot of things.
It could be something that relatedto somebody being on the spectrum,
maybe, but realistically it'ssomething is, it's an alarm bell for
me when I see somebody just beingdiscourteous in a small way like that.
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Another thing I've also kind of noticeda lot specifically with, uh, With some of
the youth, youth aspect of this is just ifI can give anybody a, a wonderful tool, it
would be drug recognition and also drug,uh, drug effect behavioral recognition
because people are on, under substances,uh, be it stimulants or, downers.
(40:07):
Uh, display, uh, a very specificbehavior, both in their daily lives
and around them, uh, to their actual,you know, interactions with you, you
know, um, it's, it's, it's a good ideato know how some of these, uh, drugs
act, you know, um, methamphetaminewill make you take things apart and
not build, not put them together.
So if you see somebody with abunch of shit taken apart around
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their space, that probably guys.
Again, this whole aspect of chemicalsand how it changes some of their
behavior, um, is interesting and forme, it's allowed me to get this kind
of sixth sense about people that peoplelater on, how did you call that?
And I was like, I'vebeen around this before.
(40:52):
Um, and, uh, I, I, there's, again, there'snothing wrong with drug users inherently.
But usually some people that areinvolved in some of that drug use are
usually also involved in not caringthe shit about humanity and figuring
out ways of, you know, being predators.
I always assume that the worldis very friendly and there's some
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assholes in it that I need to take in.
But, uh, Yeah, I guess thosetwo observations are pretty key.
Andy (41:21):
There's a lot of, there's a lot of a life experience that we as
adults have to impart to our kids.
And as we've been talking about,it's, it's, we can't be afraid
to impart that life experience.
We can't be afraid tohave that conversation.
We can't be afraid to ruin their,their innocence, that sort of thing.
Because if we don't tell them, howelse are they going to find out?
Ed (41:42):
Yeah, I get this whole, but they're going to have nightmares.
I had this talk at the schooland I'll, I'll post a picture
when you post the conversation.
I'll post this picture.
It's, it's me in full uniform, talking tothese kindergartners and somebody wrote
this comment, like a Tio Ed showing,like, this is how you kill a man.
It's like, I wasn't talkingabout, I wasn't talking about
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any, any of that to these kids.
I was, I was actually being punished thatin that picture, like I was sent to talk
to schools as a punishment for something.
Stupid shit that I did that, uh, ifyou want to know what that is, just
buy me a, uh, a root beer somewhereand I'll, I'll share the story.
I don't want to talk about it right now.
(42:25):
Um, but I talked to them about strangersand stranger danger and, um, being
aware, not getting close to cars, um,not being aware of your surroundings,
um, making a lot of noise if somethinghappens, all of these things.
A few days later, I got word back that,uh, That one of the parents complained
because the kid had nightmares.
(42:46):
Like one of the kids had nightmares.
And I'm like
Andy (42:49):
He was listening.
Ed (42:51):
Yeah, number one, he was listening.
And number two, the nightmares were, werethem processing some of that information.
You know, nightmares areessential, if you think about them.
Like, when I was a kid, I rememberhaving this, uh, dreadful nightmare
of going to the ocean and beingdragged and drowned in the ocean.
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And I would go, like, I grewup in Baja, so, like, the
ocean was always around for us.
Like, we'd always go to these fuckingamazing beaches and just get, uh, wasted
with our friends or, um, and I rememberhaving this dream about it, it's like, ah,
shit, I need to be more careful about it.
Just being stupid around the oceanbecause when I was a kid I would
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fucking drink and go into the waterand just do stupid shit but after that
nightmare like she's made me kind ofreconsider it and A few years later.
One of my friends was a boogie boardingand he got swallowed up by the sea.
He was drunk Um, and it, it, andlike nightmares are, it's your
subconscious telling you that, yeah,let's figure some shit out, uh,
(43:58):
to, to, to pay attention, I guess.
Your kids will have nightmares.
That is unavoidable, but it's like afever, you know, it breaks, it does
the job it needs to do and it breaks.
Um, using that as an excuse not toexpose your children to certain things
that might make them uncomfortableor have, make them have nightmares.
(44:18):
It's folly.
They'll have nightmares anyway whenthey watch Lion King and see Mufasa's,
you know, get merked Um, Nightmares aregonna be there anyway, so it's probably
a good idea to just to expose them.
Andy (44:35):
Right?
Ed (44:36):
It's it's It's tandem amount to putting that to putting your kids and
getting them Them getting sick andthem getting The benefits of having
the antibodies from the sickness.
I get it.
I wish nothing would touch my daughter.
I wish she could live in this uparmored crystal ball that just
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kept her safe from everything.
Somebody said some bullshitthat you'd cancel that shit out.
You know, somebody tries to bringher down and there's a laser from
the sky and just shoots that guy.
Like, I wish that was a thing.
But do I?
Do I wish that?
Do I wish my kid to be an isolated alien?
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Is, is that what I wish for my kid?
And if that's what you wish for yourkid, you need to do some soul searching.
I think it's in the book TheProphet from, uh, Hebron.
Um, that our kids are not, they're notof us, they're, they come through us.
Andy (45:38):
Hmm.
Ed (45:40):
Uh, your kids, that your children are like, uh, an arrow that you cast out into
the future that you will never see land.
And if you don't pull that string,they're going to land really near you.
And I think the metaphor of thatstring being pulled is this, you know,
pushing them, pushing them in, in sucha way where they get that experience
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and they get all of the, all ofthe fly time they need to adjust.
Go fast and, land further, you know, um,and ending up, uh, living in your, in your
dad's basement is probably because therewas not a lot of effort put into that bow.
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And that's, I guess, in a lotof ways, that's how I treat it.
Andy (46:25):
Ed, I've thoroughly enjoyed our conversation.
As we wrap up here, is there a lessonthat you learned, like, maybe from
your mom or something that is somethingyou keep with you all the time
that you remember, like, is keepingyou safe even as an adult today?
Ed (46:42):
Nobody is against you.
They're for themselves.
Has been.
One of the most life altering realizationsthat I was given by my mother.
It cut out a lot of unnecessarygrief, anger, resentment, and emotion
around being treated differentlyor somebody just being an asshat.
(47:05):
Um, I realized that, you know, yourealize that just people are, have
the ability to be sacred, but theyalso have the ability to be, demonic.
And a lot of what makes peoplewho they are is just them
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trying to satisfy their needs.
And, and that's just the basics ofbeing humans, you know, I have to
put on my gas mask first in order tobe able to put it on somebody else.
I have to meet my needs first in orderto meet the needs of somebody else and
when somebody just doesn't put yourneeds Before you there like before before
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there's you're like freaking out likethat's the nature of the world Nobody's
against you there for themselves.
Don't take shit personally.
You're not the first one thathas been through this, you know
That's another aspect of it.
Basically that you're not special inyour bullshit that happened to you.
Yeah, I've been through some insane
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And it's left me very broken ina lot of ways that, you know,
I'm pretty good at masking.
But that experience made me who I am.
Again, nobody's against you.
They're just, they're just for themselves.
And, um, There's nobody to blame.
There's nobody to blame in that.
So it's just, it's easier tokind of go through your life.
Andy (48:27):
You know, I've heard you say that before.
I don't know if it was on a podcastor you shared it on Instagram or
Patreon or something, but that phrasehas actually personally helped me.
Like, I get it.
I understand it.
So the lesson that your momimparted to you, you have also
imparted to me and it's helped me.
And I will impart that to my son as well.
So that, that's awesome.
So thank you for that.
Ed (48:47):
Yeah, I mean somebody suffering with bullshit, somebody having a small
dick, somebody just being, uh, uh, justwanting to be really loud and boisterous.
I know some legit killers and I'mnot going to say anything about
my capabilities, but I know some,I've been in places with, um, some
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legit killers, uh, sanctioned bythe government and non sanctioned.
Um, and one thing all of them havein common, um, I mean the ones that
I consider legitimate, um, is thatthey don't think much of themselves.
Um, they abandoned self a long agoand I think the samurai talk about
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ego death or always being dead andjust thinking of yourself as dead.
I think it is essential to find in yourlife, mentors, people that exemplify
aspects of what you would want to become.
And some of the people that I've met inmy life from my mentor and, uh, one of the
people that basically got me on the path.
(49:54):
Uh, Lieutenant Colonel Lee Zolda,um, to some of the amazing people
that I've met through the podcastingand the training like, uh, Eddie
Gallagher, uh, Josh Burnett, um,all these people are selfless.
They don't, they don't givea shit about themselves.
And in that, um, is a, an amazing power.
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If I've impressed you in any way,shape or form through my actions or
through my work or through, through,through what I experienced, it's not
because I have a special tab somewhere.
It's not because I wentto a special course.
It's because I, that's where,that's where a lot of death
iconography that I use comes from.
It's, it's, uh, there's thiswhole aspect of just knowing that,
(50:39):
um, everything you're trying toavoid is going to happen anyway.
I'm trying to avoid my kid goingthrough some horrible shit.
It's going to happen anyway.
I'm trying to avoid myhouse from falling down.
It's going to happen anyway.
I'm trying to avoid death.
Ooh, good luck with that.
Andy (51:00):
Right.
Ed (51:01):
Right.
I'm trying to avoid, you know, youname it, whatever you're trying to
avoid in some way, shape, or form inthe end, it's going to happen anyway.
That doesn't mean you have tobe annihilist and fucking just
say, well, fuck everything.
No, it means that everythingwe experience is precious.
That every dude you meet around here islike, holy shit, this is a new one in
a lifetime opportunity just to be here.
(51:22):
Um, that's how I treat life.
And if you see what I've done, whereI've gotten to, some of the things
that I've been able to achieve, it'sbecause every day for me is a gift.
I've been so close to death and I'veseen death so many times that I just
know that any day, This morning,uh, while I was getting ready to come
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on here, um, I, um, I had this, uh,small moment with my father who's,
he's in his late seventies, um, we'recelebrating a death anniversary today.
Uh, my brother, who passed away whenI was 13, uh, passed away on this day
a few, uh, ooh, a long while ago now.
(52:06):
I was 13.
Um, I'm 41, I'm 42 now,so it was a while back.
Um, I asked him, uh, he, he stillremembers everything about him, like his
favorite song, what he was wearing whenhe left the house, all of these things.
And I asked him like,what's my favorite song?
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And my dad couldn't answer.
Now, you could take that withfrustration as a son, like, why
didn't you say your favorite song?
But it just didn't, itdawned on me, he lost him.
Whoever he was when he left is.
It's going to be always himin the memories of people
that kind of let go of that.
(52:47):
So this bright 19 year old kid who'sgoing to be forever joyous, happy as,
uh, and, uh, I understand why he wouldn'tknow all that about him and be distracted
by all the weird stuff that I've doneand not remember, not know my song.
Um, and I don't take it personally.
(53:08):
I get, I understand that now.
And I live my life insuch a way where somebody.
At some point he's going toremember what my favorite song
Andy (53:18):
Very good man.
Wow.
I know a lot of people listening.
I already know where to find you and allthat sort of stuff But for anybody who's
new, uh, where can they find you online?
Ed (53:27):
We're very shadow ban on Instagram because we uh, we talk a lot of We
talk about a lot of horrible stuff andsome some interesting stuff as well.
Um, so people can find us onInstagram through uh our Online
presence through a podcast we do.
We do this podcast called Manifesto RadioPodcast, which is basically me bringing on
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a bunch of people that I've learned from.
It's, or people that have gone throughthe same process that I went through.
Uh, I, I usually like to describe myexperience as a shamanic experience.
A shaman will go into the underworld, getripped apart, and come back with lessons.
Uh, and that's usually whatI have on, on my podcast.
(54:09):
Most of these people areshamans in their own right.
So if people can, if peoplewant to check us out, Manifesto
Radio Podcast on Instagram.
Uh, we also have a YouTubechannel, Manifesto Radio Podcast,
where we basically put up allthe videos of our conversations.
There's currently a beautiful onewith a Zen Cop, a Zen practicing
police officer who talks about grief.
(54:30):
Beautiful man.
Great stuff we talk about there.
Uh, Sneak Reaper Industries,which is our product brand.
If you want to gear up, check us out.
We're a pretty weird company.
If people want to learn more.
about what we do, some of thestuff we train and some of the life
philosophy aspects of this type ofstuff that I'm kind of showing people.
(54:50):
We have a Patreon account, Ed's ManifestoPatreon, uh, that, that's going to
lead you to all of our online trainingmaterial Urban movement, weaponology,
uh, we're about to showcase a video witha man that I learned from who knows how
to rip people apart with his bare hands.
Um, he's pretty, uh, evasive asfar as trying to learn from him.
(55:10):
So, but he's graciously decidedto share, share some of that
knowledge on that Patreon.
So we're about to post some ofthat stuff up there as well.
And we have a discord where we'regoing over aspects of human, uh,
human intelligence, uh, OSINT, uh,open, open intelligence, uh, just.
Interesting aspects of just howto basically upgrade your ability
to be aware, not just of yourenvironment, but also of the news.
(55:34):
You'll see a picture and we'll showyou how to see if that picture is taken
somewhere else fake, uh, and ways ofverifying what you're seeing on the
news, which today is pretty important.
It separates us from the rest.
Andy (55:44):
Very cool, sir.
And I appreciate this conversation.
Thank you for everything thatyou have done and that you're
going to do in the future, buddy.
I really do appreciate you.
Ed (55:53):
Uh, thank you for having me on.
I, I, I relish the opportunityto speak to people that are
just like minded, so thank you.
Andy (56:11):
That's all we have for The Secure Dad Podcast for today.
Thank you, friend, for listening.
Thanks again to Ed for being on the show.
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My guest on the show today is Ed Calderon.
Ed is a security specialist and instructorwith operational experience along the U.
S.
Mexico border.
He is the host of the ManifestoRadio Podcast and has been a two time
guest on the Joe Rogan Experience.
But most importantly, he's a dad.
Here's my conversation with Ed Calderon.
(03:32):
Ed, thank you for taking time out ofyour schedule to talk with me today.
Introduce yourself to everybody.
Ed (03:37):
First off, thank you for this invitation.
And, uh, my name is Ed Calderon.
I am known as a subject matter expertwhen it comes to, regional cartel
conflicts in Mexico, border issues,um, certain unconventional and kind
of like, uh, obscure, methodologiesrelated to, people improvising and
(03:59):
hiding and utilizing, improvisedweapons and just weapons of opportunity.
Which I've been hired by a few federalagencies and a few military agencies
to basically show in some of thismaterial, and also just go across the
country and show this material freelyto anybody that wants to learn it.
Uh, and on the other side of it, Ialso, train people in the, the very
(04:20):
misunderstood subject matter of thisescapology, basically, how to be the
means of your own rescue, when it comesto being retained under, uh, under false
pretenses or, uh, being kidnapped and,and, and things like that, that nature.
A big part of what we do, uh, becauseit's more than just me and this company
that I run called, uh, Sneak ReaperIndustries, a big part of what we do is
(04:42):
basically we, we try and there's a lot of,uh, there's a lot of, uh, concepts, uh,
out there that, that are considered forforbidden knowledge or secret knowledge,
and I learned most of the best tricksthat I've managed to impress, uh, uh,
SF guys, SEAR instructors, um, most ofthose tricks came from kids that were
(05:06):
playing around with some of the shitthat I had to, that I got to face.
So, uh, we're trying to make the dark artsa bit more, uh, to come into a bit more
into the light, you know, people learnsome of these things because of need and
certain pretty horrible environments.
And, uh, you know,things change and shift.
If you go to places likePortland, it's a nice place one
(05:27):
day and, um, you know, no cops.
So like that's, that's kind oflike one of the big aspects of what
I'm known for and what I do.
Andy (05:34):
Gotcha.
Yeah, I had the opportunity.
I actually, I had COVID while doingUrban Movement Online with you.
And so, uh, that was a great opportunity.
I appreciate you putting some ofthis stuff online so that people
who really can't travel or peoplewho have COVID like I did at the
time, can participate in that.
I really do appreciate that.
Ed (05:52):
Yeah, a big part of the stuff we're doing now online is bringing some of that
again the online training stuff So wehave a Patreon and a pretty interesting
discord that if people are interestedin some of the stuff that That we've
done in urban movement both in some ofthe live class and those on some of the
online training It's a pretty good addon to people's Uh, skill sets, uh, we
(06:15):
go over secure phone communications, uh,tracking people online, verifying news,
uh, stories by figuring out where thingswere filmed and when, that type of stuff.
It's a beautiful thing.
Uh, again, if like, if people are intothat and highly recommend they join us.
Andy (06:29):
I, uh, I support you on Patreon.
There's a lot of good stuff there.
And also I just joined the discordand I noticed that one of the, the
subjects in the discord was on tacosand people are posting pictures
of like tacos that they're eating.
And I hope this weekend I can contributeto that part of the, uh, the discord.
Ed (06:46):
Tacos are an essential part of my life.
Uh, I've, uh, I took, uh, I tooksome of the producers of the show,
The Taco Chronicles on Netflix.
Andy (06:55):
Mm hmm.
Ed (06:56):
I took them to some of the they came to Tijuana and they went to the spots that
were recommended And I'm like, I'm fromTijuana that you went to the safe spots.
Those are
Andy (07:08):
Right,
Ed (07:09):
I don't like you have to have some survival skills to
be able to enjoy the good ones
Andy (07:16):
Believe you I believe you man
Ed (07:17):
At some point I'm gonna organize a taco safari for some of the guys that
are on the Patreon or the Discord and UhIt's going to be quickly apparent why.
Andy (07:28):
Gotcha.
Ed (07:28):
Like I took him to a taco spot that had no signs on it.
It was just somebody's backyard and they,and uh, they cried with those tacos.
Andy (07:38):
That's great.
That is, that is awesome, man.
Uh, so what are the reasons youhave all these great skill sets?
So you, you, you do all this stuff.
And I wanted to talk to youtoday because you're also a dad.
And you know, you're like me,you are trying to, make sure
that the next generation has askillset that they need to protect
themselves and that sort of stuff.
What are some of the things that parentstoday in 2024 need to be teaching
(08:01):
their kids to protect themselves?
Ed (08:04):
Number one is engagement.
Um, uh, we live in a society rightnow, and I, some of our kids are
coming up traumatized from COVID.
The whole aspect of distance,mask, isolation, right?
To us, who are grown up and didn'tgo through that, we have no clue how
much damage that did to these kids.
(08:26):
Um, anxiety issues, uh, just this weirdspatial bubble that they are now living
with as far as tattoos in their minds.
And also being, seeing everybodyas a potential threat for pathogens
is something I've seen, you know?
Andy (08:41):
Yeah.
Ed (08:42):
With some kids, uh, that kind of live through that.
Um, my mother was very activein making me participate in
what was going on around me.
So, hey, we're going to the store,you're gonna pay for what we get.
Like, I was like, but I don't, youknow, like she would push me forward.
(09:02):
Uh, there's a homeless personwho's asking for money.
Like, I'm the one thathands the money over.
And I respond kindly to whateverhe, this homeless person says.
Um, there's somebody needing socks.
You know, we would hand out, my mom wouldalways have a bag of socks and underwear
that we would hand out to homeless people.
Um, I think one of the big aspects,um, that I see missing in a lot
(09:24):
of kids lives is that, you know,we want to keep them very secure.
We want to keep them isolated.
We don't want anybody to touchthem, anybody to contact them.
And they grow up with this.
false sense of safety and also this almostself imposed blindness as far as who's
around and they just don't talk to people.
(09:45):
You don't you don't get kids talking toother people And my kid, she's 10 and
sometimes she's with me for some of thepodcast recordings and some of the guests
that have shown up, uh, we had JoshBurnett, um, to show up to one of these.
And, uh, I was like, Josh, like Iwas nerding out on Josh Burnett, uh,
his legendary fucking MMA fighter.
(10:08):
And, uh, My daughter talked to himfor a long while about shop lifting.
Andy (10:16):
That's great.
Ed (10:17):
Why does she, why does a kid know how to do that?
She's never going to go hungry.
She knows it's wrong.
Um, but you know, there's, there'sa, there's spiciness to it.
I think Jordan Peterson, said thisbest, you know, a good parent has
to supervise stupidity closelyor something like that, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, And, uh, I think, again, that's,I think that's what's the big hole in
(10:42):
a lot of, uh, in a lot of a parenting,uh, parenting aspects is, you know,
if we're, if we're, uh, people thatare just not engaged with the world,
we don't volunteer for anything.
We don't, uh, go out, we don't talkto people, we don't do any of that.
Our kids are going to emulate us.
And a distra, uh, a, a, an isolated,nervous, person that puts himself in
(11:05):
self isolation is the perfect victim.
And that's not what you wantto raise your kids to be
Andy (11:14):
Yeah, I agree.
There was a situation that happened withmy son and a couple of his friends not
too long ago and I thought well, whydidn't they just like talk about this?
Why didn't they talk it out or whatever?
And it's just like the the idea oftalking to somebody that they're not
close friends with, it's not somethingthat they really want to do that
engagement thing that you're talkingabout it And i'm just trying i'm trying
(11:35):
to um, I just had uh, Eric O'Neill onthe show, and he talks about tasking
his kids with, you know, Hey, todayyou need to give somebody a compliment.
And I'm like, oh, that's great.
So, like, I, I, I tasked my son with doingthat, and then this hurricane came, and
he was home for a couple of days, youknow, so he hasn't gotten to do it yet.
(11:55):
Hopefully, I can get him to havethose engagements, like you're talking
about, being the one to go to thestore and paying and all that sort
of stuff, because you're right, it's,it's like a tattoo on their brains.
They're not, they're not where wewere when we were their age, right?
Yeah, it's it's a different world.
Uh, people are on their phones.
(12:15):
Um, danger, the face of evil, orthe predator, like when we were, we
were tribal people, and we were likehanging out around a campfire, and
one of our friends was sniped by aleopard, you know, we had a vague
notion of what that leopard looked like.
We figured out it was a leopardbecause we saw the tracks.
(12:35):
And we have this reaction to it,and now you see a live video.
You could put it on repeat as far aswhat that leopard looks like, you know,
we see the predator clearly, and we seethat he has or she has all of our faces.
Um, so it's not as, it's nota monster, a clear monster.
So I think that's a, that's a differencethat the kids are growing up with now.
(13:00):
I, I mean, I remember getting this, uh, myuncles would scare me with El Robachicos,
you know, the man with the sack, you know?
And it, they will always point it tothem like a, like a pretty, disheveled
homeless guy walking around likethat's the man in the sack and you
would worry about that guy, yeah?
But nobody would talk about the priestin the church that I would go to who was
(13:20):
later on found out to be a major pedophileAnd it turns out that was the monster.
So Yeah The subtleties of that areas far as the nature of that being a
reality for some of the people thatare now growing up with that, you know,
that the realization that monstersdon't really represent what they are.
(13:47):
Um, it's something I've alsotalked to my kid about a lot.
Um, like, uh, every now and then somebodydoes something really bad and I just.
Before I even mention what it is, I'lljust show her a picture of somebody and
say, What do you think about this person?
And she's like, well, she lookslike a nice person, you know?
I'm not trying to traumatize heror anything like that, but like,
then I, then I just, you know,tell her like, you know what?
(14:08):
This person was actuallya pretty bad person.
She did this and this.
Um, and she's like, oh,like, and she's like, wow.
Uh, she doesn't look like that.
Yeah.
And that's the lesson, you know?
Mm hmm.
Ed (14:20):
That's the lesson.
Look at people's actions.
Look at people's hands.
Mm hmm.
And leave the smiles for later,you know, I've always say this,
their hands kill faces smile, youknow, so just focus on the danger.
Just look at people, people willtell you who they are, if you learn
to look with your, uh, intuition andyour pattern recognition, you know.
Andy (14:40):
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
I'm a big believer in that.
Like, you and I grew up watchingMasters of the Universe, where
the monsters had skull faces andthese big claws and all this stuff.
They looked like monsters.
And you make such a good pointthat, nobody really looks like that.
All the bad guys look like you and me.
And so it is It is interestingto try to teach your kids, okay,
(15:02):
just because somebody has niceclothes and they look nice does
not mean they have nice intentions.
Ed (15:07):
Yeah, um, I had this moment, uh, I did some jungle warfare training way
back, um, and in Mexico we still have,um, you know, wild leopards running
around some parts of the country and thosethings will go after, like, alligators.
So they're, they're scary.
It dawned on me quickly why the humaneye can detect so many tones of green.
(15:31):
It's one of the colors that we candifferentiate the most out of all of them.
Andy (15:35):
Mm hmm.
Ed (15:36):
If you want to spot a leopard hidden in the bushes, you need that.
And there was this realization aroundthat like, oh, this is the fact that
we can, look at so many spectrums.
Green in our, it's, it'sjust because we're trying to
figure out what's out there.
How do you apply the same concept toour main predator, which is ourselves?
(15:59):
Pattern recognition, but a behavioralpattern recognition should be installed
in the software of a young kid.
Like, you know, what are these actions?
Why are they doing this?
What behavior are they expressing?
This is dangerous.
We probably shouldn't, you know, youknow, We probably should be here.
When I was in law, in my lawenforcement career, we had this,
(16:20):
uh, horrible case that, uh, wewere basically driving through a, a
community and they, we were waved down.
Um, we got outta the car.
We went into this very humble, um,it's not even a house it's the walls.
The walls of this house were madeout of, uh, garage doors and tarp.
(16:42):
And, uh, there was one of themost chilling things I've, I've
seen a lot of horrible stuff.
That was, that was pretty bad.
Um, This, uh, probably two, three yearold kid, uh, severely beaten, uh, like
a, like a boxing match level beating.
(17:04):
I've never seen a kid beat like that.
Um, and the parents there, um, bothof them fainting, like, I don't know
what happened, you know, I don'tknow, I don't know what's going on.
And it.
We had, we had some of, some of the,um, basically neighbors telling us that
(17:24):
there was a bunch of screams in there,like, look, look at what, like, um, and
I just had this moment of looking aroundthe room, the, the, the room where they
were, they were in, a very shanty littlehouse, and seeing the guy tuck his hands
underneath his armpits, like, Mm hmm.
(17:44):
You know, and he was smiling,like, I don't know, like, I'm
very angry at whoever did thisor I'm gonna fucking kill him.
Like, I wouldn't be crossing myarms and having my hands under my
armpits after somebody beat my son.
And I'm, I would be actively out therewith a machete looking for this fucker.
Um, and I said, show me your hands.
(18:05):
And, um, you know, this kid had milkteeth, but They, uh, they split open
one of his knuckles and it was on, um,how can you teach that to somebody?
Um, again, for me, it's been somethingI've been just learning just by
being around a lot of this type ofstuff, but how can you digest that?
(18:29):
And not traumatize your kid andshow him some of these things,
you know, people being deceitful.
What is that like?
You know, people trying to con you.
What is that like?
People trying to sell you on something.
You know, there's, there's a bunch ofways every now and then we, you know,
you'll, um, you will encounter somebodywith a sign saying like, hey, I need
money for an operation and you see them.
(18:52):
A week, a month, you see them indifferent places and then you get
into a Mercedes and drive away.
Mm hmm.
Um, instead of just lookingat that and, you know, huh,
taking that as an opportunity topoint at it and explain to your child.
Like, hey, they seem sad, right?
Yeah, okay.
(19:13):
They, if you, like, if you had a kidwho was really sick, would you have a
Mercedes or would you sell the Mercedes?
I'd sell my Mercedes.
They're not selling the Mercedes.
What do you think is going on there?
They probably don't have a kid.
Yeah.
And it's like, it's a moment like,people lie about that type of stuff.
Yes, they do.
(19:34):
Um, it's subtle, but each ofthese things are upgrades.
Um, and some people will say,yeah, you're teaching your kid
not to like that, to be paranoid.
Yeah.
Um, it's not, it's not about paranoia.
It's about vocalizing theirattention into things that they
should be paying attention to.
We can't, we can't, uh, our predatorscamouflage themselves through behavior.
(20:00):
And we need to teach our kids tohave a better aspect, uh, a better
aspect of distinguishing thesebehaviors and patterns, you know?
And we start small.
One, having them being engagefulwhen they are out there and talking
to people, saying good morning, goodafternoon, helping somebody across the
street, having, giving them the thrillof being a lifesaver, uh, somebody
(20:24):
that just, I've seen my kid just handover socks and underwear to like those
people and they're like, thank you.
And she's like, yeah, no problem.
And she just beaming withlight after that interaction.
And also just then us walking around andthey don't give a fuck about me, they
don't say hi to me, they say like, hey,a princess, I know the princess, yeah,
(20:47):
you know, she's, you know, that, that,that aspect of it, I think is beautiful.
And again, it gives them confidence,it boosts the right types of
endorphins in them, um, and italso engages them in the world.
And when they, when they driveby or walk by a homeless person,
uh, instead of looking forwardand not making eye contact.
(21:10):
She'll say, good morning, good afternoon,she'll treat them like human beings,
but she will look, you know, before youapproach anybody, just look at their
hands and look at their feet, direction,intention, you know, um, that aspect of
it, I think it's, it's pretty beautifulwhen you, when you realize you're not
doing any of the service or not scaringthem when you're doing this, you're
giving them the tools to distinguishbetween the camouflage that people
(21:34):
use, who are actually dangerous throughtheir behavior, through how they look,
how they act and what they're doing.
Andy (21:41):
I had the opportunity, um, and I call it an opportunity.
It really, it reallywasn't an opportunity.
Uh, I had the situation.
I was at a, uh, Walgreens with my sonand there was a lady there who was being
victimized in a gift card scam and shewas on her phone and she was nervous.
She was talking, saying strange things.
(22:01):
She was trying to findthis very particular type.
of Visa, a gift card going aroundto all the different people who
worked in the store trying tofind this very specific one.
And it was just odd behaviorbecause she's not looking or acting
like anybody else in the store.
Right.
And so she, she says something, she'slike, Oh, I need to go out to my car.
I'm going to put the phone downand I'll, and I'll be right back.
(22:22):
Cause she's going to leaveher phone in the store.
I don't know why.
She says, Oh, you don't want meto take the phone out of my hand.
And that was like this clue of, okay,this really is a gift card scam.
And this is what is going on.
So I explained to my son,this is what's happening.
And so I talked to thestore manager real quick.
I was like, has anybody triedto intervene and help this lady?
And they're like, we're not, theydidn't really kind of know what to do.
(22:43):
They knew something was up.
So I stepped in and I was like,Hey ma'am, are you in trouble?
Can I help you?
That sort of thing.
And that was the wrongway to approach that.
And I learned that right then.
And so.
Um, she ended up buying the cardand leaving, and I don't know
what happened to her after that.
So it was a learning experience for himto see somebody who was in duress, and to
see that, hey, my dad was at least willingto step up and try to do something.
(23:07):
I think about those moments where we seesomething that happens in real time and
in life and we try to explain How at theat an age appropriate level for our kids?
What they're seeing andwhat it really means.
Ed (23:19):
Yeah, there's I saw this, uh wildlife documentary where they were Uh, taking,
, rescued orangutan babies from a shelterand trying to release them in the wild.
And one of the things they had todo was basically teach them about
snakes to stay away from them.
So they would put these, theywould put these fake snakes,
uh, cover them with things.
They would, they would just, theexperienced one would back up
(23:42):
and like, Why aren't we back?
Oh, it's a snake.
Like everybody wouldlike back up, you know?
It's funny.
But yes, these, these moments thatcome in our lives, um, you know, this,
we don't live in the Barney universe,you know, no, not everybody wants
to be your friend, not everybody'sgoing to be friendly, not everybody
(24:03):
has your best intentions at heart.
And if your kid is growing up with thatsense of the world, that's not wonderful.
You know, I understand innocence.
Um, innocence is our distance to source.
Like if, that's why you get, that's whyyou have these instances of leopards,
(24:24):
baby leopards, playing with babygazelles in the middle of the savannah.
And you're like, what thefuck is going on there?
They're innocent.
Innocents, you know, the closer youare to God, that's probably that
you're the more innocent you are.
But the further you go from God, orfrom your birth date, that's when,
that's, uh, that's when a lot of theactual software that we need to kind
(24:45):
of have installed gets actuated.
My kid's 10.
She didn't, she stopped believingin the Easter Bunny and Santa
Claus probably around three, four.
She was like, dude's gonna come in thehouse and leave presents, I don't want
any presents, can we put the tree outside?
Andy (25:04):
I love it.
Ed (25:05):
So we had to, it's like, yeah, it's fine.
Um, but, uh, She's informed, she'scritical, um, she is, um, seeing
things and pointing things out that therest of the kids in her school don't.
It's like, uh, like, hey, like,she will, if something's wrong,
(25:27):
she will approach teachers andsay, hey, this, this happened, or
hey, that's going on over there.
Which is, if, if you're a girl, dad.
That's what you want.
You know, you want somebody to, you wanther to say something, to not be quiet, to
not be, you know, this little, you know,quiet thing, because that's, that's who
(25:48):
the, that's who the lions will go after.
You want them to be loud, vociferous,uh, demanding , critical, you know, uh,
she's not agreeable, yeah, of courseshe's not, she's not gonna fucking let
herself, you know, be, I don't know,uh, for me that's gonna be like, been
a big part of what I'm trying to do.
Andy (26:05):
Yeah.
And I get that.
And you know, some peoplejust don't understand.
They don't understand like,Oh, why would you do that?
Why would you teach heryour 10 year old that?
Why would you let her, youknow, do these sorts of things?
And it's like, because this is reality.
This is the real world.
This is what she is going to have to face.
This was my son is going to have to face.
And if we don't prepare them for that realworld, we haven't really done a good job.
(26:26):
Have we?
Ed (26:27):
No, they're unequipped.
Uh, and like, again, I have this.
Like, my kid, she's kind of like acelebrity at school because, you know,
somebody scrapes a knee, she has alittle blowout kit she pulls out.
Um, she's, uh, she's useful.
She's helpful.
Uh, she's, uh, active with everybody.
Like, my, her teachers are like,why, where did you get this kid?
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Like, I don't know.
I just gave her the tools, you know, theconfidence, um, that these tools give her.
Um, another aspect of, of, ofwhat I've been doing with her as
well is I've been showing her,
It's very hard as a parentto be the cool teacher.
Does that make sense?
Andy (27:10):
Yeah, it does.
Ed (27:10):
Like, I have people, government agencies hire, fly me out across the
country, um, to show their federalagents or people that are about to go
and do God knows who, God knows where.
I just show them how to becapable and how to improvise
this and that and all this stuff.
And I sit down with my daughter andtry to show her some of this shit
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and she's like, you're not cool.
But, uh, I've had the privilege and,uh, To know a lot of people who are
amazing instructors on their own, right?
Um, I had Eddie Gallagher on the podcastand My daughter, um, ordered tacos for
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him, showed, showed Eddie Gallagher how toorder tacos and then proceeded to take out
a list of questions that she asked Eddie.
Andy (28:06):
That's awesome.
Ed (28:09):
Eddie, God bless that, God bless him.
He's an amazing human being.
I know, uh, uh, I, I,I can recognize that.
I can recognize people thathave gone through darkness and
he's, he's, he's one of them.
Um, but I, I, I, he's, he's, he'san amazing human being though.
Um, beautiful, beautiful man.
He's so patient with her.
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So direct and concise withhis, uh, kind of questions.
Like she would, what doyou think about this?
And then she would pull out her littleblowout kit and he would like add
this in there and add that and Legittook her serious with her questions.
Kids are serious It's a serious thingtalking to a kid and teaching a kid
something that kid can grow up andbe Something at the right moment for
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somebody else Sometimes we brush them off.
We don't understand theimportance of their questions.
That's a weird thingto kind of trip out on.
Uh, but if you have a kid,you're living in your kid's
childhood memories right now.
And are they good memories?
Or are you just fucking laying on your,with your underwear, eating Fritos in
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the corner, playing video games withyour kids, begging for attention?
Like, why are you in that memory?
Um, being present.
Let it, letting them ask questions andhaving beautiful, amazing people around
you that you can every now and then waslike, Hey, you're like, can you show.
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You know, I get sports are great.
My kids doesn't like sports.
She, she, she likes activities.
You know, she likes botany.
She likes collecting bugs.
She likes, uh, whittling.
She likes gear.
She has a little backpack that isined out, like, uh, uh, but, uh.
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But it's important.
It's fun.
It's interesting, but it's important.
There's an importance to it.
And when we start adding, when westart thinking about how important
it is to not only give kids thesupervision, um, give them home, give
them the food, give them rest, givethem all that, but also just giving
them the opportunities to experience.
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And to ask, you know, from differenttypes of people, you know, my kids
been around Josh Burnett, EddieGallagher, I've had, um, she's trained
with one of the best female, um,martial arts instructors out there.
She has different conceptsof what a woman is.
You know, she, she sees a woman in thisMMA fighter, or she sees a woman in this
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healing woman that shows her how to useplants to, to, uh, treat a wound for
infections, which is something she'sdone in school and just blown minds, you
know, um, again, the, the whole aspectof just having them experience and just,
you know, be there for the supervisionaround it, but that's the, the whole
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app that, well, that's, that's what weneed to do, you know, um, We need to be
present for it, but we can't interrupt it.
Uh, they're going to probably fallmaybe, or scrape their butts or.
Something's going to happen.
It's going to happen andwe're there to catch them,
but we're not there tokeep them from falling.
That's not that's not and then thataspect of everything I think is
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has been pretty phenomenal to justkind of know And and and act upon.
Andy (31:34):
Yeah.
Yeah, a lot of wisdom there, man.
A lot of wisdom.
I wanted to go back to something yousaid a little while ago like when you're
when somebody is You know, when yourdaughter's approaching somebody, you say
to look at the hands, look at the feet.
I know a little bit aboutwhat you mean there.
Kind of explain to folks what aresome of those red flags or tells of
what hands and feet could be doingthat you need to kind of be aware of.
Ed (31:54):
Sure, a linear path of movement towards you, in any context, as far as
the street goes, is, should be a causefor, should be a cause for all of your
sensors to be activated, you know?
What's behind me, what's besideme, where can I go to, where can
I run, what do I have in my hands,what does he have in his hands, and
why is this person approaching me?
(32:16):
I have some pretty interestinginsanely famous friends and people
that have followed me on socialmedia know who these people are.
Being around them, uh, you know, one ofthem is a very famous singer, very famous,
uh, being around them is surreal, becauseyou see these people who have immediate
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recognition with people around them.
So you'll see somebody on thestreet that just looks at them and
starts going that straight line.
And, you know, everybody's acting, hetold me this, you don't know if this
person wants to shake my hand, youdon't know if this person wants to
ask for my autograph or if the personhas like bad intentions and you have
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to make that decision immediately.
So showed him this whole concept like,um, feet will show you direction.
And they will also show you whereweight is placed, you know, if
you're going to take a swing.
And whenever, whenever you seea boxing match, whenever you see
somebody hitting pads, whenever yousee somebody loading up for a kick or
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loading up for a, for a sprint, uh,pay attention to what that looks like.
If somebody is loading their backleg or their front leg as they're
approaching you, probably cause for alarm.
So the feet will give you a lot ofaspects of intention and awareness.
Um, one of the first things Ialways look at though, is the hands.
And usually hands are, are, arein, uh, at the height of the waist,
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so you can also look at the waist,which is usually where weapons are.
Um, so I do this quick equation in mymind, hands and waist, feet and pace,
you know, hands and waist, feet and pace.
And at the very end of it, it's the face.
I look at the face and the face isusually something I look at just as
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a, that's where I'm going to hit.
That's where I'm going to hit this person.
That's where I'm going to dodamage if something happens.
And that's what I don't want following me.
Right?
So that's how I kind of view that.
Like if somebody approaches you and theywant to kill you, it's going to be a
pretty hard thing to kill you if theycan't reach you if their only weapon
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is their mouth to bite you, you know?
They can kick you into traffic, butusually weapons will hide on the waistline
behind the back armed in their hands orJust already in their hands and that's
usually something you'll find with weaponsa lack of symmetry in somebody's stance,
somebody walking with a hand behind theirback, uh, just not seeing two hands,
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having one hand not swing when they walk.
Um, a good example ofthis is Vladimir Putin.
If anybody sees Vladimir Putin ina lot of these videos, he's always
walking with a straight hand.
His right hand is always straight,which indicates somebody that
carries a gun or has training.
He probably carries apiece wherever he goes.
I'm pretty sure
Andy (35:08):
I would imagine so.
Ed (35:10):
So that's a good, it's an interesting indicator of somebody who's.
Probably armed and has intentions otherthan your best, uh, your well being.
Um, funny enough, a lot of the, uh,if people can go and look at some of
the videos of some of the, uh, Chineseimmigrants pouring over the border, a
lot of them don't swing that right hand.
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And that's pretty alarming.
Um, but, uh, it's again, hands,that's where weapons hide.
Weapons hide in hands and weaponshide in clothing, waistlines usually.
Uh, a big aspect of some of theweaponry training that I do is like
people can get freaked out with it.
Like, why are you showing ushow to, how to make a cardboard
sheath for this kitchen knife andhow to hide it on a waistline?
(35:53):
Because it's hard to look forsomething that you've never seen.
Number one.
Sure.
Oh, it just.
And also, if you don't haveanything, you can have something.
You just go to Black Angusand just wrap something.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But again, uh, feet willindicate direction and weight
distribution intention.
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Hands will hide weaponry and, and,and waist and a waist wide weaponry
and a face will smile at you.
Um, I remember seeing old videos of someof the Sparrow hit men people and old
videos of some hit men in Eastern Europe.
And some of them were training toshoot an assassination type styles.
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And one of the first things they teachhim is to smile before they shoot.
Because it disarms yourvictim if you're like,
uh huh, and it just blew my mind thatthese fucking predators have that kind
of like mindset about so Hands and waist,feet and weight is what I show people
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kind of like basically to focus on.
A lot of people havedifferent concepts around it.
Um, for me, it's not just showingthem the awareness, it's showing them
what they can do if they know how to,showing them how to do what they're
going to be, have to defend against.
So, how to hide it, how to hide a weapon,how to palm a knife, um, how to conceal
your intentions, how to shift weight, howto, uh, Keep somebody from detecting the
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fact that you have a knife in your hand.
All of these things are builtinto awareness training for them.
How can you detect something if you'venever seen it or done it yourself?
Andy (37:29):
Yeah, that's wild.
You talked about the whole smiling thing.
I don't know if you, you ever saw thisor not, but Walt Disney had this show
called Zorro and, um, Guy Williamsplayed Zorro and he was a swordsman.
He actually, he fenced, hedid all this sort of stuff.
But one of his things was hewould smile at his opponent.
The whole time he had just this biggrin on his face and my dad pointed that
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out to me because he loved the show.
And he was just like it it it unnervesyour opponent Like why is he smiling just
gives him something to think about so Ithink that's I think that's interesting
Um, so in your career, you've come intocontact with a lot of unsavory people.
Is there one or two things that youjust see or notice about somebody and
you're just like, I've seen this before.
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I need to be cautious around this person.
What is like something kind of this ared flag you've developed over your life?
Ed (38:20):
I mean, trauma will give you pattern recognition.
And I don't want, I don't wantto tell people that you'll get
trauma because that's horrible.
Uh, um,
I don't know, like one of the bestjudges of character for somebody.
And it's something I make it apoint to, if they're a parent,
see if their kids like them.
I mean, if you, if your kiddoesn't like you, who are you?
Andy (38:45):
It's a good point.
It's a really good point.
Ed (38:47):
A kid could be your first witness, a kid is a pretty beautiful witness.
Um, other things could be your animalsand the way people behave around animals.
Uh, You know, I just have a dogaround and see somebody just being
It'll, it'll indicate something aboutpeople, the treatment of animals
and just treatment of other people.
Uh, somebody holding a door openversus somebody just walking
through and not giving a shitabout what's happening behind them.
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Some people think it's cultural.
Like in Japan, there's like, it's abig thing where people can't hold the
door open because you're gonna stay allthat all day because it's so crowded.
I get it culturally there.
Andy (39:17):
Sure.
Ed (39:18):
But here it's a sign of somebody's detached.
It's a small indication of a detachment.
It's a small indication of coldness.
It's a small indicationof a lot of things.
It could be something that relatedto somebody being on the spectrum,
maybe, but realistically it'ssomething is, it's an alarm bell for
me when I see somebody just beingdiscourteous in a small way like that.
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Another thing I've also kind of noticeda lot specifically with, uh, With some of
the youth, youth aspect of this is just ifI can give anybody a, a wonderful tool, it
would be drug recognition and also drug,uh, drug effect behavioral recognition
because people are on, under substances,uh, be it stimulants or, downers.
(40:07):
Uh, display, uh, a very specificbehavior, both in their daily lives
and around them, uh, to their actual,you know, interactions with you, you
know, um, it's, it's, it's a good ideato know how some of these, uh, drugs
act, you know, um, methamphetaminewill make you take things apart and
not build, not put them together.
So if you see somebody with abunch of shit taken apart around
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their space, that probably guys.
Again, this whole aspect of chemicalsand how it changes some of their
behavior, um, is interesting and forme, it's allowed me to get this kind
of sixth sense about people that peoplelater on, how did you call that?
And I was like, I'vebeen around this before.
(40:52):
Um, and, uh, I, I, there's, again, there'snothing wrong with drug users inherently.
But usually some people that areinvolved in some of that drug use are
usually also involved in not caringthe shit about humanity and figuring
out ways of, you know, being predators.
I always assume that the worldis very friendly and there's some
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assholes in it that I need to take in.
But, uh, Yeah, I guess thosetwo observations are pretty key.
Andy (41:21):
There's a lot of, there's a lot of a life experience that we as
adults have to impart to our kids.
And as we've been talking about,it's, it's, we can't be afraid
to impart that life experience.
We can't be afraid tohave that conversation.
We can't be afraid to ruin their,their innocence, that sort of thing.
Because if we don't tell them, howelse are they going to find out?
Ed (41:42):
Yeah, I get this whole, but they're going to have nightmares.
I had this talk at the schooland I'll, I'll post a picture
when you post the conversation.
I'll post this picture.
It's, it's me in full uniform, talking tothese kindergartners and somebody wrote
this comment, like a Tio Ed showing,like, this is how you kill a man.
It's like, I wasn't talkingabout, I wasn't talking about
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any, any of that to these kids.
I was, I was actually being punished thatin that picture, like I was sent to talk
to schools as a punishment for something.
Stupid shit that I did that, uh, ifyou want to know what that is, just
buy me a, uh, a root beer somewhereand I'll, I'll share the story.
I don't want to talk about it right now.
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Um, but I talked to them about strangersand stranger danger and, um, being
aware, not getting close to cars, um,not being aware of your surroundings,
um, making a lot of noise if somethinghappens, all of these things.
A few days later, I got word back that,uh, That one of the parents complained
because the kid had nightmares.
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Like one of the kids had nightmares.
And I'm like
Andy (42:49):
He was listening.
Ed (42:51):
Yeah, number one, he was listening.
And number two, the nightmares were, werethem processing some of that information.
You know, nightmares areessential, if you think about them.
Like, when I was a kid, I rememberhaving this, uh, dreadful nightmare
of going to the ocean and beingdragged and drowned in the ocean.
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And I would go, like, I grewup in Baja, so, like, the
ocean was always around for us.
Like, we'd always go to these fuckingamazing beaches and just get, uh, wasted
with our friends or, um, and I rememberhaving this dream about it, it's like, ah,
shit, I need to be more careful about it.
Just being stupid around the oceanbecause when I was a kid I would
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fucking drink and go into the waterand just do stupid shit but after that
nightmare like she's made me kind ofreconsider it and A few years later.
One of my friends was a boogie boardingand he got swallowed up by the sea.
He was drunk Um, and it, it, andlike nightmares are, it's your
subconscious telling you that, yeah,let's figure some shit out, uh,
(43:58):
to, to, to pay attention, I guess.
Your kids will have nightmares.
That is unavoidable, but it's like afever, you know, it breaks, it does
the job it needs to do and it breaks.
Um, using that as an excuse not toexpose your children to certain things
that might make them uncomfortableor have, make them have nightmares.
(44:18):
It's folly.
They'll have nightmares anyway whenthey watch Lion King and see Mufasa's,
you know, get merked Um, Nightmares aregonna be there anyway, so it's probably
a good idea to just to expose them.
Andy (44:35):
Right?
Ed (44:36):
It's it's It's tandem amount to putting that to putting your kids and
getting them Them getting sick andthem getting The benefits of having
the antibodies from the sickness.
I get it.
I wish nothing would touch my daughter.
I wish she could live in this uparmored crystal ball that just
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kept her safe from everything.
Somebody said some bullshitthat you'd cancel that shit out.
You know, somebody tries to bringher down and there's a laser from
the sky and just shoots that guy.
Like, I wish that was a thing.
But do I?
Do I wish that?
Do I wish my kid to be an isolated alien?
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Is, is that what I wish for my kid?
And if that's what you wish for yourkid, you need to do some soul searching.
I think it's in the book TheProphet from, uh, Hebron.
Um, that our kids are not, they're notof us, they're, they come through us.
Andy (45:38):
Hmm.
Ed (45:40):
Uh, your kids, that your children are like, uh, an arrow that you cast out into
the future that you will never see land.
And if you don't pull that string,they're going to land really near you.
And I think the metaphor of thatstring being pulled is this, you know,
pushing them, pushing them in, in sucha way where they get that experience
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and they get all of the, all ofthe fly time they need to adjust.
Go fast and, land further, you know, um,and ending up, uh, living in your, in your
dad's basement is probably because therewas not a lot of effort put into that bow.
(46:21):
And that's, I guess, in a lotof ways, that's how I treat it.
Andy (46:25):
Ed, I've thoroughly enjoyed our conversation.
As we wrap up here, is there a lessonthat you learned, like, maybe from
your mom or something that is somethingyou keep with you all the time
that you remember, like, is keepingyou safe even as an adult today?
Ed (46:42):
Nobody is against you.
They're for themselves.
Has been.
One of the most life altering realizationsthat I was given by my mother.
It cut out a lot of unnecessarygrief, anger, resentment, and emotion
around being treated differentlyor somebody just being an asshat.
(47:05):
Um, I realized that, you know, yourealize that just people are, have
the ability to be sacred, but theyalso have the ability to be, demonic.
And a lot of what makes peoplewho they are is just them
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trying to satisfy their needs.
And, and that's just the basics ofbeing humans, you know, I have to
put on my gas mask first in order tobe able to put it on somebody else.
I have to meet my needs first in orderto meet the needs of somebody else and
when somebody just doesn't put yourneeds Before you there like before before
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there's you're like freaking out likethat's the nature of the world Nobody's
against you there for themselves.
Don't take shit personally.
You're not the first one thathas been through this, you know
That's another aspect of it.
Basically that you're not special inyour bullshit that happened to you.
Yeah, I've been through some insane
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And it's left me very broken ina lot of ways that, you know,
I'm pretty good at masking.
But that experience made me who I am.
Again, nobody's against you.
They're just, they're just for themselves.
And, um, There's nobody to blame.
There's nobody to blame in that.
So it's just, it's easier tokind of go through your life.
Andy (48:27):
You know, I've heard you say that before.
I don't know if it was on a podcastor you shared it on Instagram or
Patreon or something, but that phrasehas actually personally helped me.
Like, I get it.
I understand it.
So the lesson that your momimparted to you, you have also
imparted to me and it's helped me.
And I will impart that to my son as well.
So that, that's awesome.
So thank you for that.
Ed (48:47):
Yeah, I mean somebody suffering with bullshit, somebody having a small
dick, somebody just being, uh, uh, justwanting to be really loud and boisterous.
I know some legit killers and I'mnot going to say anything about
my capabilities, but I know some,I've been in places with, um, some
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legit killers, uh, sanctioned bythe government and non sanctioned.
Um, and one thing all of them havein common, um, I mean the ones that
I consider legitimate, um, is thatthey don't think much of themselves.
Um, they abandoned self a long agoand I think the samurai talk about
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ego death or always being dead andjust thinking of yourself as dead.
I think it is essential to find in yourlife, mentors, people that exemplify
aspects of what you would want to become.
And some of the people that I've met inmy life from my mentor and, uh, one of the
people that basically got me on the path.
(49:54):
Uh, Lieutenant Colonel Lee Zolda,um, to some of the amazing people
that I've met through the podcastingand the training like, uh, Eddie
Gallagher, uh, Josh Burnett, um,all these people are selfless.
They don't, they don't givea shit about themselves.
And in that, um, is a, an amazing power.
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If I've impressed you in any way,shape or form through my actions or
through my work or through, through,through what I experienced, it's not
because I have a special tab somewhere.
It's not because I wentto a special course.
It's because I, that's where,that's where a lot of death
iconography that I use comes from.
It's, it's, uh, there's thiswhole aspect of just knowing that,
(50:39):
um, everything you're trying toavoid is going to happen anyway.
I'm trying to avoid my kid goingthrough some horrible shit.
It's going to happen anyway.
I'm trying to avoid myhouse from falling down.
It's going to happen anyway.
I'm trying to avoid death.
Ooh, good luck with that.
Andy (51:00):
Right.
Ed (51:01):
Right.
I'm trying to avoid, you know, youname it, whatever you're trying to
avoid in some way, shape, or form inthe end, it's going to happen anyway.
That doesn't mean you have tobe annihilist and fucking just
say, well, fuck everything.
No, it means that everythingwe experience is precious.
That every dude you meet around here islike, holy shit, this is a new one in
a lifetime opportunity just to be here.
(51:22):
Um, that's how I treat life.
And if you see what I've done, whereI've gotten to, some of the things
that I've been able to achieve, it'sbecause every day for me is a gift.
I've been so close to death and I'veseen death so many times that I just
know that any day, This morning,uh, while I was getting ready to come
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on here, um, I, um, I had this, uh,small moment with my father who's,
he's in his late seventies, um, we'recelebrating a death anniversary today.
Uh, my brother, who passed away whenI was 13, uh, passed away on this day
a few, uh, ooh, a long while ago now.
(52:06):
I was 13.
Um, I'm 41, I'm 42 now,so it was a while back.
Um, I asked him, uh, he, he stillremembers everything about him, like his
favorite song, what he was wearing whenhe left the house, all of these things.
And I asked him like,what's my favorite song?
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And my dad couldn't answer.
Now, you could take that withfrustration as a son, like, why
didn't you say your favorite song?
But it just didn't, itdawned on me, he lost him.
Whoever he was when he left is.
It's going to be always himin the memories of people
that kind of let go of that.
(52:47):
So this bright 19 year old kid who'sgoing to be forever joyous, happy as,
uh, and, uh, I understand why he wouldn'tknow all that about him and be distracted
by all the weird stuff that I've doneand not remember, not know my song.
Um, and I don't take it personally.
(53:08):
I get, I understand that now.
And I live my life insuch a way where somebody.
At some point he's going toremember what my favorite song
Andy (53:18):
Very good man.
Wow.
I know a lot of people listening.
I already know where to find you and allthat sort of stuff But for anybody who's
new, uh, where can they find you online?
Ed (53:27):
We're very shadow ban on Instagram because we uh, we talk a lot of We
talk about a lot of horrible stuff andsome some interesting stuff as well.
Um, so people can find us onInstagram through uh our Online
presence through a podcast we do.
We do this podcast called Manifesto RadioPodcast, which is basically me bringing on
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a bunch of people that I've learned from.
It's, or people that have gone throughthe same process that I went through.
Uh, I, I usually like to describe myexperience as a shamanic experience.
A shaman will go into the underworld, getripped apart, and come back with lessons.
Uh, and that's usually whatI have on, on my podcast.
(54:09):
Most of these people areshamans in their own right.
So if people can, if peoplewant to check us out, Manifesto
Radio Podcast on Instagram.
Uh, we also have a YouTubechannel, Manifesto Radio Podcast,
where we basically put up allthe videos of our conversations.
There's currently a beautiful onewith a Zen Cop, a Zen practicing
police officer who talks about grief.
(54:30):
Beautiful man.
Great stuff we talk about there.
Uh, Sneak Reaper Industries,which is our product brand.
If you want to gear up, check us out.
We're a pretty weird company.
If people want to learn more.
about what we do, some of thestuff we train and some of the life
philosophy aspects of this type ofstuff that I'm kind of showing people.
(54:50):
We have a Patreon account, Ed's ManifestoPatreon, uh, that, that's going to
lead you to all of our online trainingmaterial Urban movement, weaponology,
uh, we're about to showcase a video witha man that I learned from who knows how
to rip people apart with his bare hands.
Um, he's pretty, uh, evasive asfar as trying to learn from him.
(55:10):
So, but he's graciously decidedto share, share some of that
knowledge on that Patreon.
So we're about to post some ofthat stuff up there as well.
And we have a discord where we'regoing over aspects of human, uh,
human intelligence, uh, OSINT, uh,open, open intelligence, uh, just.
Interesting aspects of just howto basically upgrade your ability
to be aware, not just of yourenvironment, but also of the news.
(55:34):
You'll see a picture and we'll showyou how to see if that picture is taken
somewhere else fake, uh, and ways ofverifying what you're seeing on the
news, which today is pretty important.
It separates us from the rest.
Andy (55:44):
Very cool, sir.
And I appreciate this conversation.
Thank you for everything thatyou have done and that you're
going to do in the future, buddy.
I really do appreciate you.
Ed (55:53):
Uh, thank you for having me on.
I, I, I relish the opportunityto speak to people that are
just like minded, so thank you.
Andy (56:11):
That's all we have for The Secure Dad Podcast for today.
Thank you, friend, for listening.
Thanks again to Ed for being on the show.
For more, visit him at edsmanifesto.com.
Please consider supportinghim on Patreon like I do.
Also, there is a bonus episodeof this podcast where I share my
thoughts on 300 episodes of the show.
I hope that you can join mefor a few minutes for that one.
(56:33):
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(56:56):
There you'll find ways to protect yourfamily at home, in public and online,
including my Amazon bestselling book,Home Security: The Secure Dads Guide.
I'm Andy Murphy reminding you thattacos are an essential part of life.
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