CFB Jam: Round One

Ty and Dan channel their inner NBA Jam and put together a series of two-man dream teams from a number of top Power 5 schools before spinning up an impromptu 32-team bracket to determine the best combinations.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,
I want to be happy. You want to be happy
for a day? Edith Steak is that woo woom?

Speaker 1 (00:14):
And them and tie Welcome back to the solid verbal
boys and girls. My name is Ty Hildebrand, joining me
as always over there in beautiful Chicago, Illinois. The man
with the Plan, the one and only.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
To Andrewsteine, Sir, how are you very little in the
way of a plan. But I did just eat Korean
fried chicken, and I did just go to a restaurant
supply store to re up all of the pizza supplies
I need because I keep getting more and more friends
and family and neighbors making orders and I don't know
if I have the time to make them all, but
I'm gonna try, so I'm planning on doing that. But
I also came up with a plan for today's show,

(00:51):
yes pretty happy about and I did it last week,
so I've had a bunch of time to get ready
for it. And also, I don't know if you had
an opportunity to do this, because I didn't tell you to,
and I think I should have because if I if
you're not told to, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
If I was not instructor to do so there's a
near zero percent chance that I did.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
There were spring quote unquote games played over the weekend.
I don't know if you had a chance to watch
any of them in full or in highlight packages.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
I knew that they were occurring. Okay, that's a good
first step, but that's the extent of it.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Okay, I don't know how much you missed or didn't miss,
because it just sort of confirmed a lot of things.
I mean, we assumed Bryce Young was going to be
at least very good when given the opportunity to start
at quarterback for Alabama. It turns out really good. It
looks really good in whatever setting and however much stock
you put in the Alabama spring game. Also, I learned

(01:52):
that I think it's ja Quincy McKinstry is you know,
an up and coming defensive back has a nickname of
kool Aid.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Okay, so oh yeah, there was that.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
There was one point where Nick Saban said, get off
the goddamn field, kool Aid.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
That was fun.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
So that's good. And Alabama has a bunch of really
good players. C. J. Stroud looked like the better of
the quarterbacks saw for the starting role.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yeah, I saw the Ohio State quarterback situation. Seems like
it's a good shape. Like they all looked pretty decent.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, the freshman got on it. It got in on
some some reps to Kyle McCord. I guess, right shirt
freshman whatever he is. And then I watched some of
LSU Max Johnson look sharp and uh, Keaton Slovis looked
sort of up and down for USC. But again, this
is you know, spring games. He's in that he's gonna

(02:41):
be the starting quarterback for USA. Don't know how much
that performance meant because a lot of the times these
quarterbacks are sort of trying to push the ball more
than they normally would because there are no real repercussions
if you have the starting role locked up.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Right, Well, more to come, more to come on that front, certainly,
I have more.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I have more like two minutes worth of highlights to
watch for multiple schools, because that's about all I can
take spring games solid two minutes.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, I'm going to have to dive in as well,
and we will cover that at some point here in
the very near future. But this frankly, is an idea.
As you said, you came up with it last week,
which never happens, especially what is it mid April. We
came up with an idea last week that we're going
to execute now like that does not happen.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
It doesn't mean it's a good idea, not an idea.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
No, But in sv HQ, this is not something that
typically occurs. You came up with the idea kind of
around NBA JAM in this case it is CFB JAM.
And what we've done here is, with some help from
the internet, we went out. We pulled people to see
what their favorite duos were. And there's a catch here,

(03:50):
which I'll let you explain, but we basically have NBA
JAM style teams for thirty two. We came up with more.
We couldn't include them all thirty two Power five schools,
and we're going to go through matchup by matchup and
break it down.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Now it's completely subjective. We one hundred percent forgot to
include certain players that we should have included about, you know,
regarding these schools or combinations that would have been better
than what we came up with. And we expect you
to harass us about everything that we messed up or omitted,
so essentially what I wanted to do just because I've
seen you know, I think homage or homage whatever wears

(04:30):
excuse me, produces those NBA JAM style shirts. But like
you can get it with like Michael Scott and Dwight
Shrewt NBA JAM. See they changed it to another thing.
But also because the draft is coming up and we
are sort of laser focused. By we, I don't mean we,
but we as a people, an as a football DORC
people are most laser focused on those first round talent types.

(04:52):
And what seems to separate the first round talents from
the rest of the draft is these are the players
that arouse your college football brain. These are the players
that tighten your emotional football pants. Does that make sense
to you time it does.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
I did not expect that left turn, but continue.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, yeah, so you didn't expect that left turn from
me after all these years. So basically I have a randomizer.
We have a list of thirty two. We couldn't come
close to including every school and every incredible player and
or combination of players, but we have thirty two because
it's there's only a limited amount of time on this
podcast and thirty two combinations of players at associated positions.

(05:34):
Associated positions for this purpose means a quarterback and a
running back, or a receiver or a tight end, so
somebody a quarterback would hand the ball off to or
throw the ball to. A pairing of offensive linemen, you know,
a tackle and a guard, a tackle and a center,
so an outside offensive lineman and an interior lineman. And
then on defense, an interior lineman and an edge or

(05:56):
you know, defensive end whatever, and then inside linebacker, outside
line back, safety, corner. So those are the associated positions.
So like if we were doing PITT and you said
Aaron Donald Shady McCoy.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Which I did do because I still don't understand the rules,
and you're counseling me through this.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yes, they don't play associated positions. They're not a tag
team duo, right, Like you're not getting Aaron Donald won
play and then Shady McCoy the next, right, So they're
not a duo. They happen to be on the same team,
but they're not working in tandem in the way that
you would want in this made up game that I
made up last week.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Right, But that being said, we have people write in
about what about Russell Wilson and Melvic Gordon that would count?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yes, So I'm saying mixing and matching eras is incredible.
I think that is a great what if element to
this exercise. So we've got a list here, as we
said thirty two, you've got a number randomizer and we
are just going to pick some of these out of
a hat. Did you want me to keep track of
them somehow on this dot please?

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Do?

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Please?

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Do?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
All right, So we're going between one and thirty two.
Do you have any housekeeping you want to take care of?
I mean you should go to Verballers dot com forballers
dot com doing there is the Patreon.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
We are doing our best to keep the content flowing.
Also going out to newsletter dot Sliverble dot com where
you can sign up for the newsletter that we're gonna
send out and additionally follow along on social media. I
think I say that every show, But we're going to
be doing some fun stuff here over the next few
months as we get a little bit close to the season,

(07:29):
getting a little bit bigger in the window, and believe
it or not, it is something we're starting to think about.
We also have some cool stuff that we're planning, I
believe for the month of May. If you look at
the calendar, yeah, correct month of May. So stay tuned.
We've got fun stuff coming.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
But that's all I have, Dan, Okay, so I'm gonna start. Okay,
you ready? So the first random number between one and
thirty two, the first matchup, the first duo is number fourteen.
Number fourteen is Anthony Barr and Mile Jack. Okay, so
an outside linebacker, sort of an edge rusher. Anthony Barr
was very destructive the early twenty tens and Miles Jack

(08:09):
same era. Miles Jack actually ended up playing running back
for UCLA. Some went two ways, but he himself was
a crazy athlete, a high draft pick. And this was
at the absolute apex of UCLA's defensive dominance, which didn't
last for very long, but they did have an excellent
defense for a couple of years there. So that's your
first killer duo they are taking on you ready, yes,

(08:34):
generate number five tie. So that UCLA linebacker duo against
Marcus Mariota and d Anthony Thomas who did overlap at
the University of Oregon. And I did have an alternate
of like kve On Thibodeaux and DeForest Buckner, which is
pretty crazy. But essentially, if you were starting a football

(08:56):
team or you were facing a football team. If you're
starting a football team, who arouses your college football sense
is more or who are you more scared of? If
the other team has that.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Duo, I think I go Mariota and de Anthony Thomas
because in thinking back to that team, they were so dynamic.
That was right in the height of the Chip Kelly era,
and there was so much creativity in that offense, so
much explosion. The way that they used the Anthony Thomas
and that offense was so damn fun. I mean, they

(09:25):
used him as a slot receiver, they used him out wide,
they use him in the backfield, a lot of motion.
It was just always something to please your college football brain.
That was super exciting to me. So I have to
go with Oregon here, despite the fact that Miles Jack
was really damn fun in college. That was a story

(09:46):
that we covered if you'll recall time and again, Miles
Jack playing him all over the field, the way that
they used him was so much fun. But for me,
it's I gotta go Oregon here.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, you have a Heisman winner, you have the all
purpose talent and Anthony I'm going to Oregon. I mean,
you have one hundred yard speed with both Mariota and
d Anthony Thomas. That's scarier and I just I have
to make it personal to me that arouses me unlike
many other of these names, because I'm an Orgon fan. Okay,
So they would.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Say of all of these, of all of these here
that we've got in front of us, Mariota and de
Anthony Thomas would be top five for me. Like if
I were going through and picking an NBA Jam team. Okay,
my team was always a Charlotte Hornets. I was a
Lonza Morning, I was Muggsy Bogues.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Oh not Larry Johnson.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
And Larry Johnson. Yeah, those three guys that that was
my team always in forever. Sometimes I would mix and
match with little Patrick Ewing and John Starks and jump around,
but Mariota de Anthony Thomas would be in my top five. Easy.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
All right, you're ready for the next matchup, so Oregon
moves on. All right, we are doing number ten, which is.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Who Number ten is Wisconsin. So you've got a as
a selection here to make. You've got written down Joe
Thomas and Travis Frederick, which was that was submitted, Yeah,
submitted and formidable. I don't see how you can't go
Russell Wilson and Melvin Gordon here as like your your

(11:20):
alpha of those two pairings.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Well, there are very few in this listing incredible offensive
line duos. This is one of them, Travis Frederick and
terior lyman Joe Thomas, Hall of Famer left tackle. Do
you think that Russell Wilson super Bowl winner one year
with Wisconsin, but was incredible, incredibly efficient and productive. Melgore,

(11:48):
of course was record breaking. Do you think you are
more scared you would say of Russell Wilson and Melgore, Okay,
then we'll go. Then we'll go with that duo instead.
We acknowledge that duo of Joe Thomas and Travis Frederick,
but we're going in the more lethal offensive direction they're
taking on number twenty four. Randomly, number twenty four is

(12:10):
RG three and Kendall right RG three, so same era.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
R G three, whoa RG three in college was unstoppable.
Heisman winner in his own right, but he was unstoppable.
I feel like the tandem of Russ and melgre is
a little higher level than RG three and kendall Right.
Even though Kendall no disrespect to kendall Right, he was

(12:37):
awesome as well in college. But for me, it's Russ,
Russ and Melgore.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Now, are you letting the NFL success seep in?

Speaker 1 (12:48):
I will probably show some bias in that regard, yes,
But in this case.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Because RG three had an incredible rookie year, he got
hurt and he was never the same.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
I think for me the reason that I wouldn't go
Baylor here is because of kendle Right. I feel like
Russ and Mail Gore is kendle Right was so good.
I know, I know he was good. They're all good.
That's why they're on this list, right, Russ and Meilgre
to me is higher level an RG three and kendle Right.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
I think I'm going RG three. I think I'm going
RG three because of the danger factor. No pun intended
with danger. Russ the danger factor with RG three in
his legs, Like you can't say track speed for a
lot of fast dudes, you can say track speed. He
ran for the Baylor team. I think he won like
the big twelve hurdles as a high school senior. So
that element paired with the creativity and the lethal element

(13:42):
of that offense as opposed to the offense which was very,
very good and very strong that Wisconsin ran. I'm going
RG three because I would be more scared as a
safety or middle linebacker taking on an RG three team
with that duo than I would be withlaur and Russell Wilson.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
So we've got a split decision. Can we flip a coin.
Let's let's flip a coin.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
All right, I'll hit the randomizer.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, odd, I'll say even. Is Wisconsin odd as Baylor?

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah? RG three three is odd? Okay, here we go.
It is six, So Wisconsin Wisconsin the nod. Okay, not
a bad choice, all right, so we'll stick with number six.
Number six is Auburn. Another difficult choice here.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
This is one where I wanted to go with Cam
Newton and Bo Jackson.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
You said, no, that's yeah, that's we've got to do
since two thousand. That's that's the other Cats the rules.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
So fair enough, fair enough, We've got some interesting interesting here.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
So I have Cam Newton plus either Trey Mason or
Anthony Schwartz. Anthony Schwartz is not the best pure receiver
that has played at Auburn. These last twenty one years.
He is the scariest receiver that Auburn has had with
the ball in his hands. And so that's why I
included that name. Another legitimate track speed and Trey Mason
has been got to go Trey Mason unless you want

(15:04):
to go Cadillac Williams or Ronnie Brown. Well, Trey Mason
really fun. Yeah wow, Okay, Trey Mason ran for three
hundred plus yards against a good MISSOO defense and an
SEC championship.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
They gave him the ball I got gazillion times that season. Yeah, okay,
who is Auburn going against? We can sort this out, Okay,
Auburn and so oh. I alternately I had Carl Lawson
and Derek Brown, which was submitted in which would be ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Or you could do Carl Lawson, Nick Fairley. I still
have nightmares.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
There, So Auburn's facing off against do we already do
number fourteen? We already did number fourteen? UCLA will generate
again number twenty seven? Tie that's usc oh wow. So
it's either what a matchup do we have here? Either
Carson Palmer Matt Lionert, or I suppose Matt Barkley and Reggie.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Bush has to be Reggie Bush, and I think it
has to be Liner.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
So from a productive and winning standpoint, linerd is obvious
from an ability physically, That's where it gets trickier. Sam
Donald is scarier physically. Matt Barkley has definitely a bigger
arm and had a bigger had bigger individual seasons personally,

(16:24):
and Carson Palmer had an enormous arm and he just
was not paired necessarily with the defense that Matt Liner
was the USC defense. Now you could go other side
of the ball as well. There's all sorts of incredible
defensive linemen and linebacker duos and corner safety duos. But
in terms of pure college football arousal, it's hard to
make the case for any single USC player above Reggie Bush.

(16:46):
And now you're saying Reggie Bush, you're saying a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, I look, I take your point on Carson Palmer.
I take your point on Matt Liner.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
You want to go, you know, Leonard Williams, Darrell Casey.
I'll listen to that. But listen, listen, Reggie Bush. Listen,
He's hold your breath.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Scary, Matt Lionert, Reggie Bush. That USC team captured all
of our imaginations. It has to be Matt Liner and
Reggie Bush. No offense to Carson Palmer. It has to
be Liner and Bush. That was a near dynasty in
college football for a few years running.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Do you think Matt Lionert's NFL career Not that we're
taking it into account based on what he did or
didn't do it as an NFL quarterback, but does that
make you view his college career more of a game
manager than stand out scary quarterback, being that he was

(17:41):
surrounded by.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
The level of talent he was. Well, I don't look,
he made incredible throws, he was so huge game he
was so good in college. And we have quarterbacks like
this every year who are very good in college and
they don't their game doesn't translate to the pros, right,
And that's fine. So I don't know. I think I

(18:02):
am able to separate out the NFL from the college
and I just remember Winer and Bush together on that team.
It was ridiculous. So I am going to have a
hard time picking anybody over Liner and Bush. It's interesting though,
that we've got this Auburn matchup.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
So Cam Newton, well, you have the single most physically
talented player perhaps in college football history, in Cam Newton.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yea, Cam Newton was ridiculous in his own right. I
don't know if he's got the compliment in Trey Mason,
certainly not in Anthony Schwartz's exciting, but doesn't rise to
this level.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Brown, Cadillac, whoever you want, Ricardo Lewis Nick Fairly.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
If you went Nick Fairly with another member of the
defensive line over these past few years with Auburn, that's
compelling to me as well. Because Nick Fairley was borderline unblockable.
You know that as an Oregon fan, correct, I think
I gotta go Liner and Bush. I just to me,
it's no brainer, you gotta go Liner and Bush.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Well, So then here let me ask, let's let's eliminate
the duo element. If nobody is matching up on either side,
Reggie Bush or Cam Newton, if Notre Dame is facing
Reggie Bush.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Reggie Bush.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Wow, Okay, Well, Oregon did do a fairly good job,
no pun intended job, of stopping Cam Newton in that
National Championship game. I'm going to go Reggie Bush as well.
I'm going to go Ready. It's just an impossible decision.
It's impossible.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
He's forever going to be like this legend in the
college game. And not to say Cam wasn't. Cam was incredible. Cam,
you know, altered the course of Auburn football. But man,
that Reggie Bush. I sound like an old head now,
but that that, to me was just like that. If
anything captured my imagination from a college football standpoint more,

(19:50):
I don't know what it would be that that Reggie
Bush team with Liner Man that was and the Rose
Bowl against Texas. I know we've got Texas on here,
we're going to talk about Vincent, you had Jamal Charles, Like,
I don't know. To me, it's just it's hard to
pick anyone over these two.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
So then would you say Trey Mason or Matt Liner?

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Probably Liner? Okay, Yeah, I think it's got to be Liner.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Okay, all right, Number eleven, do you agree with that?
By the way, would you go usc As well?

Speaker 1 (20:23):
No? I would I would go Cam Newton.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, I would go Cam Newton because when your quarterback
is just a more important position. Reggie Bush depended on
an offensive line. Reggie Bush depended on receivers to block
down field, and he depended on you know Matt Lioner
getting him the ball when he would line up as
a receiver, so he was dependent enough. Whereas Cam Newton

(20:46):
with the ball in his hands, you think you've stopped
Auburn for a drive on fourth and four and he
falls forward for a first down, he has seventy five
yard speed as we saw that. I mean, you don't
have to prove out that Cam Newton. What I There
is something about an unstoppable quarterback that started for one

(21:06):
year and didn't lose a game and won the Heisman
and national championship, that is always going to be inherently
just a little bit scarier than any other position.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
All Right, So I'm making up a new rule in
the fly here. I'm going to say that we each
get we each get two golden tickets wherever rides. Okay,
we can override the other. I'm going to use one
here to go.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yes, there's no strong, strong argument for Cam over Reggie
Bush unless you just feel that way. You're like, okay,
that's I agree. Okay, so number eleven is our first one. Okay.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
By the way, with this new rule in mind, would
you like to go back and alter the course of
that Wisconsin Baylor matchup. We decided that on a coin
flip penalty kicks No, Okay, I think I'm gonna pass. Okay,
moving on, where are we going next?

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Okay? Okay? Number eleven Johnny Manziel and Mike Evans oh
Man who put up about thirty eight thousand yards against
Alabama man over the course of a couple of years.
Nobody is not holding up their end of that duo bargain.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
No, that's an incredible tandem.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Mike Evans size of an athletic tight end and the
speed of a receiver, and was unguardable for his time
at text saying am a Johnny Manzel of course legend
in a way that very few are in the sport.
And our second duo number is we've already done number ten,
our second duo number. Let's regenerate number thirteen former conference mates.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Texas town Effects Pat Mahoney and Michael Crabtree.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, this is the no brainer in terms of is
that there can't be another player, right, Like, there's not
another quarterback, there's not another position group, there's not another receiver.
It's these two.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
There has to be Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to
think if there's anybody else I'd throw in the mix there.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
I mean, you want to walk on freshman Baker Mayfield.
He was not on the level of Patrick Mahomes by
the end of Patrick Mahomes's career as a freshman.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
I think, guys, Graham Harrell, that would be the only thing.
But I feel like you'd probably be doing yourself at
the service if you went Graham Harrell over Pat Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Now, Graham Harrell was a really strong system air raid quarterback.
Patrick Mahomes was a star special.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, yeah, I'll go Mahomes. I'll go Mahomes. So we've
got Wow, this is good. We've got Mahomes and Crabtree
versus Manziell and Evans. To me, the answer feels very
obvious here, but I want to give you the opportunity
to go first. I'm going to Dinny Manzellen. It's like

(23:59):
an no.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Brain right, Yeah, are toughing, You're comparing two other worldly
outer space astronaut duos. But there's something about Johnny Manziel's
specific college career that Patrick Mahomes sort of kept developing
as a pro. And obviously Johnny manzel did not work

(24:20):
out as an NFL quarterback for all sorts of reasons,
but as a college quarterback, the lore and danger of
Johnny Manziel as incredible as Patrick Mahomes was as a
college quarterback and as Michael Crabtree was maybe the all
time greatest freshman receiver of all time. I'm the physical

(24:43):
scariness of Mike Evans paired with the unpredictability and lethal
element of Johnny Manziel, at least when he wasn't playing LSU.
I'm going with the Aggies here.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
I think you got to go Aggies. By the way,
I've noticed here in your sheet that there's a numbering issue,
and Georgia is not with a number.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
What's so give them a number.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
We'll give them. Okay, they'll be.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Here, hold on, heah, here we go, I'll here.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
We'll move, I'll move into the bottom. Okay, they can
be our play and team at the very end, I'll continue.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Okay, so you're ready for the next random number. Okay,
here we go. Oh man, I'm actually kind of nervous.
Number two another. This is an impossible one that we're
just gonna have to make a ruling on. The duo
is the Florida Gators?

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Right?

Speaker 2 (25:29):
So you probably if you're gonna go with a quarterback
as good as Kyle Trask was, there's something that's a
little bit scarier, even though he's not as good of
a thrower. About Tim Tebow, it's got to be Tibo
as that bowl rushing danger, It's got.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
To be t Bow, and it's got to be Percy Harvin.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Got Well, it's Percy Harvin over Kadarius Tony because Caadarius
Tony is a Percy Harvin type. Because Percy Harvin is
the prototype correct in Florida speed annals h. Kyle Pitts
is a tight end and not like really any other
tight end we've seen recently. So you that case is

(26:07):
he's something.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Yeah, I mean it's it's not gonna fall in deaf fiars.
It's a It's a very strong case for Kyle Pitts.
But again, much the way I was a sucker for
Mariota and d Anthony Thomas. Yeah, de Anthony Thomas falls
into that Percy Harvin vain.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Yeah, a versatility.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, he was Percy Harvin after Percy Harvin. Right, So
I gotta go t Bow and Harvin here as my duo.
Who else you have here?

Speaker 2 (26:37):
You have to well, I mean you could go like
Carlos Dunlap and Sharie Floyd. There's guys all over you
know you Amad Black was terrific at safety. They've had
this history of incredible corners, you know, like you tease Tabor,
like all these guys these past twenty years, they've CJ Henderson.
There are a number of guys that have, especially in
that defensive backfield. But pure scariness. I mean they won

(26:58):
a national championship with defensive end. I'm still going right now,
I'm still gonna be that romantic and go t.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Bohart, Gotta go Tebo Harvin. All right? Who they going against?

Speaker 2 (27:07):
T Bow and Harvin are facing off against number that
we already do, number twenty seven. We already did number
twenty seven. Do we already do number twenty eight? We
did not. This is another This is a great one.
This is a heavyweight match.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
This is this is what it's all about right here.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Wow, Okay, I want to go with my alternate, which
I think you are going with as well. So just
because it's too easy to compare the same position duos
so lsu, I think it's relatively obvious if you're going
to go offense, it's probably Joe Burrow and Obj Okay.
I would listen to Leonard Fournette. Those Bama games pretty ridiculous.

(27:49):
Those Bama games weren't great. You can go Jamar Chase,
who just won the Blittnikoff, which is I believe award
they give to pretty good receivers, and they obviously have
that connection. But in terms of special I mean, was
Jamar Chase a more special receiver than Obj at LSU?

(28:13):
Hard to know because he was playing in a much
better system, much.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Better system, much more receiver friendly.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
With a better quarterback as well. Yeah, but the natural
talent of Obj is off the charts.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
It's off the charts. Yeah, that's that whole If you
go back, and I'm sure LC fans have, if you
go back and look at the receiving talent that some
of those teams had that they did not fully harness,
it's ridiculous. It's a total indictment of the old system.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Now, I also have down here just because it's a
duo that basically nobody else in the sport can replicate.
Patrick Peterson and Honey Badger Tyron Matthew.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah right, Honey Badger is another one who captured imagination,
isn't he.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
So there's the versatility, there's the return game. There's special
teams lining up in different places on the field. You know,
it's safety in the slot, you know, slot corner or whatever.
Nicol he was all over the place, played outside corner.
Some I also have Devin White and Kwan Alexander.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Yeah, I mean there's a case there, but it's not
nearly as strong as Joe Burrow with either OBJ or
Fournette or Patrick Peterson with Honey Badger.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
What about Glenn Dorsey and like Tyson Jackson or Sam
Montgomery or Barhevius Mingo. Glen do was borderline the Kreisman.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, I don't know, man, I think I think it's
one of those first two. It's either Burrow or Fournette,
OBJ or OBJ or Patrick Peterson in Honey Badger.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
I'm gonna go with Patrick Peterson Honey Badger. I'm gonna
use my override because really for this, Yeah, I'm for this.
I'm gonna use my override here one because I want
to get some variety in these matchups. I mean, not.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Different, pick a different team to get variety from. Man, this,
I mean you're gonna go against Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Well, I'm asking you what is what is better to
find l us your football these past twenty years, lethal
offense or incredible speed and talent on defense?

Speaker 1 (30:06):
I mean over that it's definitely been more a story
of defense. But the biggest story of all was a
once in a generation team led by Joe Burrow. Sure,
if you want to use your override, you can go
ahead and use it. I would go.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
I would go Burrow and Fournette. If it were me
Burrow Fournette over Burrow and obij are Chase.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
I would go Burrow Fournette because Burrow was unstoppable and
so is Fournette. Obij was ridiculous in college, but he
was not nearly the larger than life figure in college
as he became the NFL.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Okay. Leonard Fournette twenty fifteen has thirty one yards against
Alabama on the ground. Leonard Fournette twy fourteen has nine
yards on the ground on five carries against Alabama. And
in twenty sixteen, which I believe he was beat up
some had finished his career with three straight double digit

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rushing games a zero against Alabama zero points. He had
seventeen carries to thirty five yards and then in a
ten point performance LS losing sixteen to ten, twelve rushes
for forty yards against Florida Gators. Right, that comes after
going for two eighty four against Ole miss that stretch.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Right, So that is an element to me. All right, Okay,
so we're going with You're gonna go with defense.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Then I'm going Pat Pete and Honey Badger.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, either way, I don't think we can go over
t Bow and Harvin. I don't see how you could
pick any duo, especially this duo over t Bow and Harvin.
T Bow another once in a generation quarterback. The offense
that he ran with Percy Harvin was fun as hell
to watch. Honey Badger outstanding, versatile. Again I keep saying

(32:02):
captured imagination, but he did. With his versatility. Patrick Peterson
was good. I don't did he have the star power
of a Tim Tebow.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
That's a different It's not as glamorous a position.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I don't know, man, I think you gotta go Tbo
Harvin here. I don't. It seems like a no brainer
to me.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I think I'm gonna go Tebo Harvin as well. I
do want to point out one thing that's actually going
against I guess Patrick Peterson and Honey Badger. These are
the quarterbacks in twenty twelve or twenty eleven that els
was facing. I mean it's Tyler Wilson, Aaron Murray, Aj mcceron,
John Brantley, Connor Shaw, Randall Mackie, Jordan Rodgers, Chris Ralph,

(32:47):
Chris Ralph. Now Elsie wasn't going against Jared Lee, but
in some ways they were Clint Moseley, Morgan Newton. Okay,
so not a quarterback heavy era in the sees. Okay,
twenty twelve we do get Johnny Manzel, you get doctor Bo,
Tyler Russell, more, Jordan Rodgers, he finally get Zach Mettenberger

(33:08):
at LSU, Connor Shaw, you get casual dress, James Franklin
entering into the league. But I think it's yeah, I
think it's it's t bow and person.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
It's gotta be it's gotta be. All right, We're gonna
have to break this up into two parts. I hope
you're okay, is that true? The show? The show we're
gonna have to break up.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Okay, So we'll go through the first round. Now, we'll
do the first round. Yeah, subsequent rounds. Okay, so we
need random numbers, right.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Random numbers?

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, okay, here we go number.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Four Penn State. Oh this is good.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Okay, okay, this is There are a lot of options
on both sides of the ball here, Yes you want
to go, Dan Connor, Paul pud Lesny, pause Lesny, Michael Parsons.
I there's options.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
I think you gotta go. It's either Michael Robinson and
Saquon or Trace in Saquon and I could probably be
convinced either way. But who is their opponent? Please don't
tell me Notre Dame please?

Speaker 2 (33:59):
In terms, uh, well, the random number, it's gonna come up.
It's coming up as twenty two Texas. Vince Young, Jamal Charles.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Wow, this is good. This is good.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Dan, what tone you have?

Speaker 1 (34:18):
I think it's gotta be.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Now you're talking about when we mentioned Cam Newton, you're
talking about the the unmatched physical talent Vince Young is
in that conversation.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
I of course I know, of course, I think it's
got to be Trace and Saquon. If I'm picking, I
think I go Trace and Okay, defend this point, Defend
what point? Defend why he's like the winningest quarterback in
program history. So you're taking Trace mcsorlely over Vince Young. No, no, no, no, no, no,

(34:54):
no no no, I'm taking over Michael Robbins. Michael Robins,
I'm not taking I'm not taking Pinstate over Vince Young. No.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Yeah. So Michael Robinson ended his career probably on a
higher notes with who I think it was. Galen Hall
was the Penn State offensive coordinator back then, so not
nearly as open a system. Even though it was Ricky
Ronnie Right who finished out Trace mcsorley's career. Michael Robinson, scarier,
runner bigger, was eventually an NFL fullback, similar passing numbers

(35:23):
his senior year in mcsorley's final season, but yeah, Trace,
The height of Trace McSorley as a quarterback was certainly
higher than Michael Robinson's and Saquon Barkley seems like the
most physically impressive Penn State player of these past twenty years.
Twenty years that it's seen an incredible number of you know,
guys up front on defense.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Defensive talent. Yeah, yeah, for sure, it's.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
It's Sakwan's the guy that pops.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Saquon pops, but nobody pops more than Vince Young. But
Vince Young did at Texas. He single handedly won a
national championship for Texas. Wanhorns had a good team around
him set out.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Yeah, I don't know what single handedly, but that game
he was a force of nature for suit I will
the team willed.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Them to victory in that game. Yeah, in the Rose Bowl.
So I look, I don't care who you pair Vince
Young with. Vince Young's got to be got to be
moving on to the next round here, Jackson Shipley, sure,
any of the Shipleys doesn't matter. I don't care. It's
Vince Young.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
So interestingly, Jamal Charles like his his freshman year one
hundred nineteen carries, sophomore year one hundred and fifty six carries,
and his sophomore year wasn't as good, and he was
probably most effective yet you know, sixteen hundred yards, but
his per carry average as a receiver, he was really
good as a freshman. He was almost more effective as

(36:49):
a rotation guy, even though he did put up those
sixteen hundred yards. He's I mean, we're still talking about
what Cedric Benson as an option, see Benz. There's been
a lot of good Texas running backs over the past
twenty years receivers. I don't know Kwan Cosby, Jordan Shipley,
and they haven't popped nearly as much. And Ricky Williams

(37:13):
was I think as finally it was ninety eight, so
he doesn't count. So yeah, I'm gonna go Vince Young
in Texas. In this one, there were some disappearing acts
from Saquan. Again, he is playing a position that's dependent
on the success of others, whereas Vince Young is the success.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Yeah, all right, are you going next? All right, we
are going number.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Nine?

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Have we done? We had nine? Yes?

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Okay, We're going number thirty one.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Thirty one is Missoo with Chase Daniel and Jeremy Macklin,
which is a real underrated pairing here. This is a
good pairing. Now.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
This is also a Mazoo program that has had some
electric talent along the defensive line. Sure, high high draft picks,
high level of success there. So there are duos there
that I don't know. I don't know how you feel
about some of those guys.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
It's got to be Chase Daniel and Jeremy Macklin. They
were ridiculous in college. Has to be, has to be.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Even over casual jests James Franklin.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Yeah, for sure, of course not.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Of course, Daves Franklin was very good.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
It wasn't this good? All right?

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Number they're facing off against number sixteen. Another difficult decision.
Whoa Florida state?

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah, so you think this is difficult.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah, Well the problem is Derwin James and Jalen Ramsey
kind of played the same position, kind of a slot corner, rover, safety,
outside linebacker when they needed to be in certain cases.
Because those two guys, just in terms of physical talent
are just off the charts, So you could I don't know,
I don't I mean, I guess it's Jamis and Dalvin.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
It's got to be Jamison Dalvin Dan got to beeah.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, I mean, look, they competed against Oregon for a
long time, that duo, so you got to hand it
to them.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
I think it's I think it's Jamis and Dalvin. Moving
on here, this is a no brainer. Say what you
want about Jamis, but as a college quarterback, he was just.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Like I mean, that twenty thirteen offense was all unstaple time, Yeah, unstoppable.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Okay, next matchup?

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Wait, hold on, that was was that the first matchup
or the second matchup. Was it the first duo or the.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Sum I'm saying it's got to be Jamis over Missoo.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Jamis over Missu. Oh yeah, yeah, of course. Okay, sorry,
I'm blanked on that. That's how much Missoo left an
imprint on me. Number twenty nine.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Number twenty nine is Tennessee. Yeah wow, Okay.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
So I would say they they have an all time
popping running back in Alvin Kamara, but they didn't necessarily
use him as often as they should have. And I
don't think they have a quarterback who would compliment Alvin
Kamara's talent. Depending on how you feel about Josh Dobbs
or Jonathan Crompton, I don't know, but I don't think

(40:10):
they have that quarterback. So I'm going to go on
the defensive side of the ball, and I'm gonna go
with Albert Haynesworth and Derek Barnett.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Albert Haynesworth one of the all time great yes SEC players.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
A friend of mine tried to block Albert Haynesworth because
he played offensive line for Vanderbilt and it went poorly,
very very poorly.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
One of the all time greats. So it makes sense
that Hainsworth would be in here.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Is that they've had like, they've got guys who popped,
Like I wanted to find a corner who would compliment
Eric Berry, but I couldn't. I couldn't zero in on
a guy that I felt like was worthy of. That
feels good, Hainsworth and Barnett. Okay, so tennessee Haynesworth and
Barnett taking on. Let's see if we got a number
we haven't done. Have we done? Number ten?

Speaker 1 (40:56):
We have done that?

Speaker 2 (40:57):
We have? Have we done number eighteen? We have not?

Speaker 1 (41:02):
This is this is a sneaky pairing right here.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
All right, We've got Mark Herzlck, who I believe was
an outside linebacker. I double checked this, Mark hers Lick,
great story, great college linebacker. Luke Keikley. Yeah, perhaps the
best inside or middle linebacker of the modern era on
both levels.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
This would also be like a real NBA jam duo
right here. It feels like this would be a real pairing.
And yeah, I I feel like you gotta go with
Hertzlig and Keighley.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, I'm gonna go hers Licking.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
I feel like you gotta right, like two awesome linebackers.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
You know, the Keigley numbers are off the charts. Hers
Lick was really good and obviously got sick. But man,
it's it's a question of did Albert Hainsworth play inside
in a dominant fashion that was unlike what Luke Keickley did.
Because Derek Barnett also set records, was incredible as a
past rusher, and Albert Haynsworth was borderline unblockable at the

(42:05):
level of Luke Keighley. I don't know. I mean, in
terms of scariness, Luke Keickley was going to shut you down,
knew what you were going to do, and was going
to make the.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Taxle qu.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Right. You weren't breaking Luke keigley tackles, But then again,
you might not survive in Albert Hainsworth's tech. So actually
I'm going to say Hainesworth from pure fear, if that
is a sense that we are going to include in this,
I would say I'm as scared of Albert Hainesworth. This
has nothing to do with his you know, pro run

(42:39):
ins with penalties and suspensions, not seeing what he was
able to do in terms of breaking up the interior
of an offensive line. Luke Keigley was is incredible. The
height of Albert Hainsworth was essentially as scary as pretty
much any interior defensive lineman. I mean, you have Sue,
you have all sorts of players who are crazy good.

(43:01):
But yeah, I'm gonna go with Tennessee here. Actually interesting,
are you going to BC? I would go BC.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I am not going to use my override here.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Okay, so we're going going twenty nine Tennessee. We're going Tennessee. Okay,
next number one?

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Oh boy, no, Notre Dame. Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Do you want the offensive line due or do you
want the linebacker Duell?

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Wow? Well, so here's the thing. Which offensive line duo
are we going? Or? Do you want?

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Who would be the quarterback? Would be Brady Quin would
be Jimmy Class.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
We're not doing any quarterbacks with Notre game. Okay.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
That may there have been good receivers though, even Michael
Floyd Golden Tate, there have been very good receivers, really
good tight ends.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
There have been, for sure. But I think I think
it's clear here that you either need to go with
it's got to be some combo of Quentin Nelson with
Ronnie Stanley or Mike McGlinchey, all of the these guys have
been really high draft picks. Ronnie Stanley I think is
the highest paid offensive lineman, the highest paid tackle in

(44:07):
the NFL. Quentin Nelson is a perennial Pro bowler, and
Mike mcglinchy was drafted ninth overall a few picks after
Quintin Nelson when they got picked and played in a
Super Bowl. So maybe hasn't quite gotten the NFL accolades,
but has been very very good. This is though a
situation where we have to make sure that the NFL

(44:29):
prowess doesn't seep into are our grading of this. But
it's unique in that there aren't a whole lot of
offensive line combos that we could cite correct to me.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
I mean, Florida State has some good options there. Way
back when I think Quentin Nelson pops on like any
other player on this list, and we were talking about
Manta Teo Heisman finalist in Jalen Smith, you know, all
American caliber.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
The other the other names that we have here, we
have Manti Tao and Jalen Smith.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Right, Manta Teo Jalen Smith.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Jalen Smith remains underrated.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
An all time athletic and successful Notre Dame linebacker.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
So good, so so freaking good. His career the way
it ended in the bowl game with the injury, his
comeback story to now be a prominent productive member of
the Cowboys is like ridiculous. And Manti Tayo, look the
story of Manti Tao at Notre Dame. That should not

(45:32):
be overlooked either. Manti Tao talk about capturing imagination. Good lord,
that's there are no greater examples of that in a
literal sense. Oh was awesome in college football was also
very very good. Yeah, So we've got options here with
Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Where's the fear? Where's the fear from you? Are you've
you've rooted for both of these duos? Like, would you
rather run into or would you rather try to run
by either of these line? Or would you rather try
to bull rush Quentin Nelson?

Speaker 1 (46:04):
I wouldn't want to do either. I think the answer
here is mcglinchy and Nelson.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Okay, I'm on the same page. I think I think
Nelson is the single scariest person here.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yet we don't have a whole lot of offensive line
combos like this, so I think that in and of
itself is unique. You gotta go with those two who
are they, who are they going against?

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Let's do our number randomizer and hope that we haven't
No Number thirty thirty is pit. This is a great
literal matchup pit.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Wow. Pit. Okay, So the obvious one is obviously Aaron Donald.
Mm hmmm, who was every bit as good in college
as he is now in the pros?

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Who do we want to pair Aaron Donald with?

Speaker 2 (46:51):
So I have Jabal shared he was an All American
and longtime NFL player. Sure, but essentially there's nobody you
could put next to Aaron Donald and be like, oh, yeah,
they're relatively on the same level of scariness. So that
that was the best I could do. But in terms
of college football scariness over the past twenty years, it's
hard to have that conversation without Aaron Donald. Now we're

(47:14):
seeing Aaron essentially now Aaron Donald against Quentin Nelson.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Wow, that's a good matchup that could actually happen too, right,
It probably has.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
I don't know if the Colts have played the Rams.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
I think the fact that you've got two first round
anchors on the left side of that line for Notre
Dame in mcglinchy and Nelson. The height of that to me,
feels much higher than Donald and sheered. However, I mean
was a second the second round pick.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Yeah, yeah, we're not a.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Really good matchup. I'm gonna go Mcglinchyan Nelson and I'm
going to use my I'm gonna use my override if
you decide you want to go pit.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Wow, you're dictating. Oka's right. Well, ye, I'm gonna go
pit then. So it says you'll lose an over ride.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Fair enough, fair enough, showed my cards too early, but
I'm okay with it.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
It's okay, all right. I think we've got a couple.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
More, right, Yeah, we got we got more here that
we can do.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Okay. Uh, number eleven, I think we've done. No, we
haven't done. Number eleven.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
This is a sneaky good one too.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
This is sort of an exception to the rule that
I'm gonna count. It was a submission and I said,
you know what, I'll allow it.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
So it's not Shady McCoy and Aaron Donald, but no,
it's Darren McFadden, Oh wow, and Felix Jones. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
So Darren McFadden playing quarterback. Enough the wildcat for a
bit of a technicality, but it works. I think it
was about two thousand and seven. I mean, you can
go with whoever you want to go, Ryan Mallet or
Tyler Wilson, that's fine. And Darren McFadden. I think it
probably has to me McFadden in the conversation. Yes, there's

(49:07):
no better duo. I don't think across Arkansast football. They
had some interesting defensive linemen in the twenty fourteen and
obviously there were good receivers there during the Patrino time.
But yeah, Dearren McFadden pops upon pops. So we'll go
to mc McFadden and Felix. Now, if you want to
change Auburn to Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams, you're welcome to.

(49:31):
But actually, no, they didn't run wildly. Was when Ronnie
Brown was with the Dolphins, right right, That's when they
was a wildcat quarterback. Okay, So yeah, we're I'm going
Felix Jones dere mcfatten here. I'm allowing it. It's my show.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Next we need an opponent.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Next topic, Yes, number twenty.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
You know I've already done that. Yeahn't make this number twenty.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Ooh Miama with Ed Reid in Entrell Roll yeah, that
is interesting.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Andrel roll all over the field a bunch of different positions.
Of course, i'd read all time, all time, all time safety.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
This has to be Miami. This has to be Miami
with Ed Reid and Ontreil roll.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, too much speed. Those defenses were too good and
too NFL laden, and Ed Reid was at the heart
of them.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
These guys were preposterous at both I like that word. Yeah,
both levels. They were so so good. And it's interesting
because we've got a defensive back pairing here with Miami.
We've also got a running back pairing in a sense
with McFadden and Felix, which is a fun tandem. But
I gotta go read and roll. I just it's a
no brainer.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Same page. Okay, all right, next number generation, number twenty five.
We've got a scary combo here.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Arizona State with Will Sutton and Tarrell Suggs.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Terrell Suggs, Will Sutton. Okay, do you have any just
initial thoughts about the two of them? Will Sutton PAC
twelve Defensive Player of the Year and twenty I don't
remember thirteen twelve somewhere in there or both. It looks
like both first team All American twenty thirteen Consensus All
American twenty twelve. Seems like a pretty good college career.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
I remember more of Terrell Suggs as a Raven and
he was scary good.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
I went back and watched Terrell Suggs ASU highlights and
it was like that, but against like a Washington State tackle.
So imagine what Terrell Suggs was doing.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
So we didn't got well.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
I mean, Terrell Suggs was an outside linebacker, you know,
edge guy for the Ravens, but he was a hand
down defensive end.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Kay, the sun Devils. Okay, so it could go perfect.
We could if we could figure out a way to
get two running backs in there, we could figure out
a way to get Vonte's perfect in there for a.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
With an outside linebacker like a rushback. Yeah, I desperately
wanted to put Suggs in perfect together.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
But can we do that?

Speaker 2 (51:58):
And watch? Can we went back and watch? His hand
was in the ground. He was a true end all right?

Speaker 1 (52:03):
All right? Fine?

Speaker 2 (52:05):
I had that issue with in the other direction, with
David Pollack and Georgia, like I didn't. I couldn't find
anybody even approaching how good David Pollack was on the
inside of that defensive line. Good players, good players, David
Pollack all all timer in Georgia. That was very difficult
for me. So I had to go another direction with

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the Georgia players. So Will Sutton and Terrell Suggs against Nope,
we don't have that number. This is really good audio.
Don't have that number. Do we have number twenty six?

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Nope?

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Do we have number fifteen? Iowa, See, here's a good
offensive line duo.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
This is an interesting duo, and it's very befitting a WIO,
is it not. Of course we've got here.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
And I like the matchup. I like the defensive line
against the offensive line because we can use our imaginations
a little bit better. For a head to head back matchup.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
We've got the worse and Shurf like Surf and Turf
versus Will Sutton and Tarrell Sugs Dan Suggs.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Yeah, Wurfs was incredible, I believe this year for the Bucks,
but more importantly he was amazing for Iowa. And of
course Brandon Schurff was just an animal. So first round
picks alike.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
I don't know, I don't know if I have actor,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Who's pants, Who's who? Makes your pants tightened, tie probab,
who would you?

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Probably the Iowa offensive line mans was so mean, that
very mean, so mean. If you would find a way
to put Vante's perfect in there and Terrell Suggs, I
would go, or Terrell Sugs that keep saying it wrong.
I would definitely go.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Au well Son's really good. On the inside of that line,
I think I might go the Iowa dudes and those
dudes pop, They're dangerous, They're nasty.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
Yeah, so we got okay.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
I don't feel good about it through. That was tough,
but that's.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Where I'm going to eight nine, and we basically have
five more matchups to do. All right, let's throat to
do with Georgia because they were the odd man out,
but let's work through.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
I'm just gonna do this at random. I'm not going
to do the number randomizer. I'm just gonna do the
Dan randomizer. Let's go teams with the same colors. Essentially,
Michigan against cal Cal.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Has a sneaky good pairing here, don't they I've got
a great pairing or are they mean? Great two pairings
if you want to look at it. Yeah, So I
think we would agree that Michigan is Dinard Robinson and
Brayln Edwards offensively.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
I don't know how you feel about Mike Heart, I
don't know how you feel about Jake, but what a
very good career. I don't know how you feel. Mean,
they've had decent receivers these past twenty years, Mario Manningham,
but Brayllen Edwards seems to rise above some droppy issues,
drops the issues as well. But Denard Robinson is probably
the offensive player who run literally runs away from this

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conversation in terms of scariness. So you had to find
a running back a receiver that to me, I think,
you know, Brayllen Edwards and then defensively for Michigan, I'm
willing to have a conversation about you know, we're Shaun
Gary and Chase Winovich or Jabrill Peppers and Devin Bush.
There there are options there.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Yeah, but you're not gonna go over Dinard. Can't go
over Nard Dog, Nard Dog. He's in that conversation with
some of these other guys, the Reggie Bushes of the
world who just were larger than life in the college.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
And Denard Robinson in that rich rot offense. Yeah, mm,
gotta do it. A pretty insane combo.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
So here's what's interesting about the Cal side. Yeah, who
do you pick on the Cal side? You've got a
couple obvious ones in aarons Au sorry, Aaron Rodgers, Marshawn Lynch,
and Shawn Jackson. Yeah, I'm assuming we can't go Marshawn
and dust Shawn?

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Can we We cannot. And here's the thing though about
Marshawn Lynch. He was a really good Cal running back.
But there was a they had a series of really
good running it did not even like it did. Probably
Javid Best was their most incredible home rum threat. You know,
JJ Arrington who was really good, and Justin Fcett who
was excellent. But yeah, there is something. I mean, if

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we're playing the scariness element of this, Marshawn Lynch is
the answer there.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
I think it's Marshawn.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
So are you going Aaron Rodgers and Marshawn? I'm going on,
I gotta go Donard and Braylin. So at a certain
point you're saying Braylon or Marshawn, then that's fine.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
I just think Dinard Robinson is far and away the
answer here. It could be Denard Robinson against.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Like three did he hurt. You did Denard Robinson hurt
you does a Michigan in a Notre Dame in Penn State.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
He did? Ok Yeah he did?

Speaker 2 (57:23):
So then I mean that's first person experience. Yeah, Okay,
I'll accept it. I'm not going to override it.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Louisville, this is so good. This is going to be
so tough with.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Louisville, Lamar Jackson DeVante Parker, who made incredible player after
incredible play, right, and then we'll go with somebody equally
athletic at quarterback, Eli Man And I mean, you can
choose whoever you want here at receiver for ole Miss
because they've had I mean want Lakwan Treadwell. A J.

(57:55):
Brown became metcalf More. A J.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Brown was really good.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Yeah wea go ahead J. Brown? Yeah, Man Lawan Treadwell
though physically if we're talking about scariness, well.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
We had a sound for Lakwan. Maybe you go him
with Quantasaurus Rex. Right. I just don't know how you
can take anybody over Lamar. We're gonna come to a
point in this competition where we get a little bit
deeper and it's gonna end up being like Dinard Robinson
against Lamar Jackson, and we're gonna have to have a
car a very hard conversation.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Yeah, I mean, we're also talking about an old Miss
offensive line with some big names. Sure, we're talking about
old Miss defensive line with some candija to it.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
The whole land Shark thing you have.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Yeah, the secondary was great.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
I just it's got to be Lamar.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Okay, put them forward where it is. Okay, let's go.
These are sort of opposites, but not really opposites. Stanford
and Andrew Luck with Christian McCaffrey by his side. Keep
something in mind about Andrew Luck. Everybody thinks about, Oh,

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he was so subrebral and had this great arm and
was himself changing the plays since like day one, and
making calls and shifts and doing everything given more responsibility
than the average quarterback. Early on in his career, Andrew
Luck loved running over people. Andrew Luck was not afraid
to drop a shoulder if the pocket broke down and
he started running. Now, Christian McCaffrey goes without saying, I
don't think Iowa touched him in the first half of

(59:24):
that Rose Bowl. All apologies to Hawk fans, but Christian
McCaffrey another level in terms of all purpose college football
players with that just all time all purpose, and I'm
going to go with Andrew Luck's father's school, West Virginia. Now, okay,
the obvious duo is Paw White Steve Slayton, because they

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were together. We saw it, we saw them exist as
you know this, Yin and Yang. But Tavon Austin never
played running back and then decided to play running back
because they didn't have any the years, didn't have any
against I believe Oklahoma and ran for nine hundred and
forty four yards that night.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
I think I think Tavon's still playing in the NFL,
isn't he?

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
That sounds right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
I don't know how that's even possible. At this point,
it's like eight years free agent, Yeah, seven years in. Yeah,
he's only thirty. Good lord, we're getting old. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
So we've got two all purpose great players in Tavon
Austin Christian McCaffrey, and we've got a scary ass runner
in Pat White who was able to make plays with
his arm as well. And Andrew Luck.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I think it's got to be Stanford and that you
should not imply from that statement that I did not
enjoy the freaking hell out of watching those West Virginia
teams with Pat White. Steeve Well, first, so we got
you going Slaton or Austin. I probably go Slaton.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Or wild card. David Sills cut a lot of touchdowns,
got a lot of touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
I'd probably go Pat White and Slaton. Okay, and I
think I got to go Andrew Luck and Christian McCaffrey.
Man in the pairing in the overall matchup, I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
I think so too, And I Taevon Austin will always
hold a special place in my heart as a West
Virginia Mountaineer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Man, they had some stupid special players there. Weel divine.
So this is this is interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
This is interesting the way that this is broken down,
because the last five teams, we're gonna have to figure
out again something to do with Georgia. We'll stick them
on one of the other winners. Well, I mean it's
in a play in. Yeah, I guess Georgia. The combo
is depending on how you feel. I mean, I couldn't
find an interior defensive lineman to put next to David Pollock.
So then from that point I said, okay, we're doing

(01:01:50):
rokeland Smith and Jarvis Jones inside outside linebacker. That's pretty
friggin scary, right, Or are you just going the obvious
offensive well at least quarterback to receiver in Matt Stafford
A J.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Green. I guess depending. I mean they've had a lot
of really good running backs as well. Nick chob Sonya,
Michelle No Sea Mareno got real real strong dudes. I
think you gotta go Stafford, right, I think you go
Stafford Green, Stafford A. J.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Green.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Yeah, all right, so Stafford David Green in an all
quarterback wild cat.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Yeah all right, so Stafford.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
And so we'll find a place to insert them. That'll
be our wild card insertion, where we just eliminate a
team and replace them with Georgia in the next round.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
So, okay, let's go Oklahoma with Kyler Murray and Adrian Peterson.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Okay, or bib I was gonna say why Kyler over Baker?
And it's perfectly reasonable to say so. But I don't
both really strong runners. Kyler probably, I mean definitely faster.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Yeah, I will let you pick. I don't discriminate here
between the two. Do you want Baker? I mean, it's
gotta be ap all day. But who do we want out,
who do we want alongside him?

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
So they each play in a playoff semi and a
losing efforts. Kyler with a slow start but made some
incredible plays against Alabama and then Baker Mayfield double overtime
loss to Georgia. I'm just from pure scariness, I'm going Kyler.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Yeah, all right, We've got Oklahoma with Kyler and Adrian Peterson.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
By the way, you're going Adrian Peterson over a very
long list of incredible pass catchers Ryan bros lamb Sterling,
Shan sure for Jamaine Gresham. Yeah, gotta go Adrian Peterson. Okay,
we will pair them up against Alabama. Okay, this is impossible.

(01:03:57):
It's I don't know how you select a defensive duo
for Alabama. Yeah, if you're going to suggest any defensive duo,
you can select from a combination of like seventeen players.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
If you want to say, Jonathan Allen and Quinn Williams, Okay, great, bad.
You cannot make a strong argument, you know, Marlon Humphrey,
Miika Fitzpatrick, Eddie Jackson, Haha, Clinton Dix and like any
of these guys, I'm okay with this, you know. Patrick
Sartan most recently Mark barn all of these guys. If
you want to go, Orlando McClain and what's his name,

(01:04:34):
the outside linebacker on the Patriots down to High Town,
all these guys, Like, I'm okay with any of them,
but I think they'll cancel each other out, the excellence,
cancels each other out, cancels you know. I don't know.
I don't know how you feel about that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
I don't know how you do it on defense.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
I don't know how you do it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
I really don't. And so the question is, Okay, you're
either going to do You're going to pick two names
from a hat. On defense, you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Aret Ruben Foster. Okay, we can go with any great yeah,
or you could go on the offensive side. And on
the offensive side, I guess the quarterback would have to
be Tua. It could be to It could be Mac Jones,
it could be a Ja mcchaerron. I think what probably
isn't Greg McElroy. It's not Greg McElroy, No, probably not

(01:05:22):
with John Parker Wilson, probably not.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Him, and then who else is it? Because they've had
an incredible, just roster of ridiculous wide receivers, the running
backs have been equally as absurd.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
So you you have you rooted for a team in
the postseason against both uh like guys. I mean, whether
it's Julio Jones, whether it's Devonte Smith, whether it's Calvin Ridley,
whether it's Amari Cooper, who is if I forgot about
Amari Cooper who puts the fear of life into your

(01:06:01):
brain as Notre Dame takes the field on defense against Alabama.
Is it DeVante Smith? Is it Julio?

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
I was gonna say it's either Julio or Amari Cooper.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Oh, Okay, Davante Smith almost singularly being noted he did
three months ago.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Yeah, man, I just it doesn't matter you pick any
of these guys. And the thing is, I still don't
know if would you take any combo here from Alabama
over Adrian Peterson, Kyler Murray.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Because that's what it comes down to. No, not necessarily, Okay.
Adrian Peterson at his absolute apex was as physically dominant
and scary a running back as we've seen. What I
don't know what his measurable measurables were as a freshman
in college. Well, he was one of the two to
two ten whatever it was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
He was one of the guys who if they would
have let him, he'd have gone pro yes, instead of
going to playing college, which he probably could have not
most people can't, but he probably could have swung it.
So yeah, I I have a hard time picking almost
anybody over Peterson and Kyler. But if we're gonna do it,

(01:07:18):
it's gonna come from the Bama's side because they're just
so loaded all the time. You get to pick the two,
I'll let you pick the two.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Uh. Just for the record, we didn't mention Heisman winner
mark ingram or Heisman winner. It's Derrick Henry.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
It's an embarrassment of riches. Right, so you pick, go ahead.
I am going to go.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Kyler Peterson. I'm doing it over double first round pick. Yeah, right,
your your entry Alabama?

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Yeah what but who for Albama? Oh? For who am
I going to pick from Alabama?

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
What's your duo.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
To uh and Davante. There's an effortlessness that is so
scary that a.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Little bit of recency bias there, it's okays, a total
recency bias.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Fine, and it's a much more wide old you know
the Sark offense. If you know Julio Jones were in
the sark offense. What are we talking about? So, man,
I don't know who is the who is the offensive
coordinat Really it was like a Doug nuss Meyer and Jamackawayne.
That was that era of Alabama football. Right, Yeah, I'm

(01:08:48):
gonna stick with Davante And I know it's recency, but
it's you know, the the scariest guy is the small guy, right,
It's it's the guy with that looks like he has
nothing to lose and just isn't backing down from the
big dude. It's you know, it's the Mangos taking down
the Cobra. I'm gonna I'm just I'm gonna go with
Devonte Smith and Tua.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Okay, and you're taking you're taking them over Oklahoma or.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
No, I'm taking Kyler and Adrian Peterson. I think that's
I think that's the combo. It's impossible, Like I cannot
make a strong case for it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
There is no.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Strong, relevant, sensical case for either of these over each other.
Kyler was smaller, but Monty Smith is smaller.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
All right. Well, then that brings us to Ohio State
and Clemson.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
I think the obvious pairing on the Clemson side and
I know you got Nuke Hopkins here. I loved him.
Sammy Watkins at Clemson, I just I don't know. I
feel like he was kind of like a different order
of magnitude. I think it's Sammy Watkins and Sean Deshaun Watson, okay.

(01:10:03):
Or it could be Trevor Lawrence too, that's the other thing, wow.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Or could be Christian Wilkins and Vic Beasley. I mean
Vic Beasley all American. Christian Wilkins incredible, can do the splits? Right?
Have we shown enough love to a giant and scary
defensive front combination? I don't know if we have definitely
have not bred venables Christian Wilkins, Vic Beasley off the edge.

(01:10:30):
But then you want to talk you know, Kevin Dodd
and Shaq Lawson and all these guys. You know that Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Furl, little furl.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Austin Briant like all these like there's a ton of
options along that defensive line.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
And do I go to Shawn, do I go Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
I'm going to Shawn Watson. There's something about his running
ability and how clutch he was, and this is true.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Let's put it this way. If this is a true
NBA jam type of setup, having that versatility of the
Sean Watson. And that's not to say that Trevor Lawrence
couldn't run.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Man, Trevor Lawrence ran had like a sixty five yard touchdown.
Know that he Ohio State.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
You know that he could run. But I'll go to
Sewan here for for the sake of argument. Sean and Sammy,
who do you want on the Ohio State side?

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Man? Okay, so you have this incredible run of defensive linemen,
but I don't know if there's an Is there a
defensive tackle that you would pair with one of the
Bosa brothers or Chase Young? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Could you pair one of the Bosas with Chase Young?
They both played end? I mean, can we move them
around like it's a depth chart.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
I mean they did move around some on passing downs,
but I think they are all They're all true ends.
I believe for Ohio State.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
There are two ends on the field at the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
I understand, but we're talking complimentary. You get the pick,
you get the planning up next to each other.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
I'll let you pick.

Speaker 2 (01:12:09):
So the other side is you want Braxton Miller? Do
you want Justin Fields, and it's probably Michael Thomas. But
we can have a conversation about Devin Smith. You know,
I would say Fields and Thomas, Fields and Thomas, Dan
Sands and Bacher not sneaking into your text.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Michael Thomas. Okay, is that your pick Fields and Thomas?

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
There have been so many good oh Man, the corners
and safety and Denzel Ward, Willie Hooker, like, all these
guys incredible. Yeah, I'm gonna go Justin Fields and Michael Thomas,
But I just I hate this offensive bias that we're
showing Fields.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
And Thomas versus DeShawn Well. Hold on, who are who
are the actual like? Who is the actual scariest recent
Ohio in the last twenty years Ohio state player? Is
it Chase Young? So we're just ignoring that fact. Might
be one of the bosas.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
But Nick didn't play a ton obviously, he sat out
after getting hurt with a serious injury his final season,
Joey was incredible. It's probably Chase Young in terms of
pure scariness, not necessarily production.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
He was double team.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
He was just the guy you want lining up in
your uniform. It's probably Chase Young above all the other
guys available, right, Okay. So at that point, I'm just
gonna choose, I mean, what you want, Hankins or Adolphus Washington,
some guy like that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
All right, I'm redoing the sheet here, shoe Okay, Hankins, Okay,
I don't either way. I don't think anyone's beating to
Shawn and Sammy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Michael Thomas did not have like a nineteen hundred yard
receiving season for a.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
House he date, he did. He came into his own
even more so when he got through the NFL. Yeah,
the Drew Brees. I think you gotta go to Shawn
and Sammy here. That's the only way to fly.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Um. I think new Hopkins was better at Clemson than
Sammy Watkins. But I defer to you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
I'm going to Sean and Sammy and there might pick
to go through.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Okay, I'm not gonna use my override in this round.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
And I'm gonna plug in Georgia against Iowa and the
offensive line tandem.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
So we got so now we have to decide who
actually So Georgia gets a bye for.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Some reason, right, Georgia against Iowa.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Do you think the Iowa duo is the weakest.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
No, I just picked out of a hat here. Oh okay,
eventually they're going to have to play someone better anyway.
So it's Stafford and AJ Green against the worst and
shrif combo from Iowa, which scares you more.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
I think the Iowa offensive line all right, done, done done.
There was an inconsistent nature to that time in Georgia football.
If I'm remembering correctly, I know that two thousand and
seven eight team with Matt Stafford that just absolutely shelled
to why they're incredible, the best of AJ Green but
AJ Green also But no, we're not talking about production.

(01:15:16):
We're not talking about the ability to stay on the field.
We're talking about pure scariness. I'd rather build a team
around the Iowa offensive line. Yeah, I'm doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
So here's what's going to happen. I will put together overs,
I will put together this list, and we will get
to the deeper rounds of this here competition on our
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