January 14, 2020 • 41 mins
Ty and Dan relive LSU's 42-25 triumph over Clemson in the 2020 College Football Playoff National Championship. What are the main takeaways and key storylines from the game? What are the implications moving forward? And who are the favorites to win next season?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
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ty Hildebrand. Joinning me as always over there in New
York City. My man, the one and only Dan Rubinstein, Sir,
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
They said the Bison couldn't do it, They said North
Dakota State with a freshman quarterback couldn't come through in Frisco.
And here we are to recap all things. Trey Lance, Ty,
I'm great. How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I am doing well? Welcome one, Welcome all, and congratulations
to the LSU Tigers who triumphantly won the College Football
Playoff National Championship last night by a forty two to
twenty five score over the Clemson Tigers. This is a
different show for us. We only have one game to recap.
We're going to do our best to go through all
(01:09):
the minutia of the game that transpired last night in
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(01:30):
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Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, do that. So we do have the one game
to discuss. I think we can also discuss implications moving
forward after we now know the results and where these
two teams are heading and who perhaps might be in
position to be in our recap show on an early
Tuesday morning in early January next year. I'd like to
frame this show and you can turn me down it's okay,
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and figure out what is and what isn't as it
relates to LSU and Clemson. So I suppose, unless there's
more housekeeping to do, people understand that LSU is a
national champion. They'd beat Clemson forty two to twenty five
in a game that wasn't really in doubt late. But
to you, what was this game? What did you come
(02:33):
away with being sure of after watching LSU's offense put
forty two and over six hundred yards and really when
they got going dismantle a very very good Clemson defense.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Well, you know, a week ago, when we previewed this
game in hindsight, we were right to frame it out
by asking will it matter? Will it matter that Clemson's
got a great pass rush and one of the best
pass defenses in America? Will it matter that Joe Burrow
and at orger On I haven't been on a stage
this big, or that it's a home game, or we
listed off about fifteen items, Will they matter? What we
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know now is that most of it didn't matter, not
over the course of sixty minutes. What truly mattered was
that Joe Burrow was again unflappable in two playoff games,
accounting for fourteen total touchdowns, which is a crazy stat,
a crazy stat maybe the greatest individual season in the
history of college football. We can read through the stats later,
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but first and foremost I came away from this game
sure that Joe Burrow and this magical season he's had
was not a fluke. Not a fluke. He had a
good year last year where he won moments, and we
talked about those moments, but the offense around him hadn't
quite been assembled. Certainly, the offensive line in front of
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him was a big question mark going into this season. Now,
after seeing the full body of work and in particular
what he did in two huge playoff games games, there
is no doubt that this was no fluke by Joe Burrow.
He should be the first pick by the Cincinnati Bengals
to go home to Ohio. And I think that has
to be the main starting point here, even though it
(04:12):
may be cliche and overdone at this point, Joe Burrow
was the man.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Well, to be fair to the game itself, he was
you said, unflappable, but he was flapped early.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Early he was first first, like three drives, he was,
and then after that not so much.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Right and Clemson looked strong and more composed on offense early.
They sort of generate bigger plays and are able to
string together first downs a little bit more easily, spread
the ball around. Trevor Lawrence certainly looks more comfortable. Joe
Burrow talked about how Brent Venables and the Clemson defense
were coming at him from mystery angles. You know, they
were playing their three down linemen sort of bunched together
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near the middle of the line, and then they were
sending guys delayed guys and twists and whatever. And Joe
Burrow had a legitimately difficult time and the one play
he did make was called back for an offensive lineman
illegally downfield, because how could you assume that Joe Burrow
was going to be tackled in the backfield after spending
that much time with the ball scrambling for his life.
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But Clemson looked like the better prepared team to win
this game for the first quarter and beyond as they
were looking at the LSU defense and figuring out ways
to move the ball. And then the second quarter, right,
it was like the first twenty minutes of this game,
the first third was all coming up Clemson. But after
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that point LSU figured it out on offense, and as
you get to the back half of the game, LS
you shut down Clemson's offense completely shut it down for
the last twenty five minutes of the game, and the
attention is rightfully going to go to at Oorzan and
Joe Brady. Dave Randa not as much, I guess, Dave Randa,
but you know they, like you mentioned, the offensive line
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coming together, these incredible receivers, Tis Marshall and Jamar Chase
goes for over two hundred justin Jefferson. Another great game.
Fad moss Key catches, Clyde Edwards, Hilaire kept getting it done.
The LSU defense. After they go down seventeen to seven,
I think LSU goes on a thirty five to eight
run the second half where you get the Joe Burrow touchdown.
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He runs out of bounds and he throws the touchdown
pass right before the half. They get the ball at
halftime and get shut down. But it was the LSU
defense that was anywhere Trevor Lawrence and the Clemson offense
wanted to be. It was hands in passing lanes, it
was making him uncomfortable, it was making it was showing
no open lane for anything Clemson that ultimately, as much
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as the LSU offense scored the points and brought lightning
to the National Championship Game, it was really the LSU
defense that ultimately stamped the ticket for LSU as national champions.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
To me, you know, we start this discussion rightfully talking
about Joe Burrow, the Heisman Trophy winner, of course, incredible
individual season. Again, I emphasize all the story of this
game to me was that LSU defense, because clearly opposite them,
this Clemson offense had enough firepower to contend with just
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about anybody Dan. The fact that they were able to
shut them down in the manner that they did was
truly impressive. So I start with Burrow, I think I
end and I'm most impressed by the LSU defense in
the effort they put in.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, and it's an LSU defense. And we talked about
the Ali Oup quality of you know, putting a defense
on the field a lot if the offense is playing
really well or really poorly. They were scoring, LSU was
scoring quickly. LSU was moving the ball downfield, I mean
largely Joe Burrow to his receivers, namely Justin Jefferson and
Jamar Chase and Teris Marshall. The LSU defense got off
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the field. I mean, you'd look at what Clemson was
able or really not able to do in the second half.
They score that touchdown early on on their first possession
in the second half. But then it's punt four plays,
punt four plays, punt three plays, punt five plays for
six yards and then Trevor Lawrence fumbles on their final
possession or I guess they got twenty or thirty yards.
But it was such a complete performance, and you know,
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you can look back at the sliding doors and all
of the events that led to you know, ed Orgeran
getting the job, and Joe Oliva and holding onto less miles,
and you know Tom Herman being involved, Jimbo Fisher being involved,
and the foresight allegedly because this is what I want
to get into next of Joe Burrow coming to LSU
or and seeing something in Joe Burrow. But LSU got
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to this point because of desperation. Now they got their
twenty nineteen season, was we have to figure out something
on offense. We have to figure out something where we
don't count on the offensive line after what they showed
in twenty eighteen. We have to figure something out at
quarterback and maybe this three star Ohio State backup is
the answer. We need something, We need a spark for
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this offense. We need anything, and what I want to
get into with what it isn't and we can talk
about Clemson, we can talk about LSU somemore because I mean,
six hundred plus yards forty two points and getting their
act together after that first quarter was nothing short of incredible.
But I think what sort of gets lost because we're inundated.
Everybody's trying to come up with a different angle, everybody's
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trying to come up with a different feel good story.
Edrogron gets positioned as he's the local guy who went
through some stuff and you know, USC didn't hire him
and he had a bad tenured old miss and he's
coming back home to LSU and he's just this down
home guy. Edorrigron is a full on great coach. And
(09:37):
I think that's that everybody thinks that he's almost like
the I don't I couldn't recall his name, the voiceover
guy who is homeless on the side of the road,
Oh right, that I want to say, yeah, yeah, we
like And you know, it's like, oh, this Joe Brady kid. Finally,
like Joe Brady won an essay contest to become the
LSU pass a game coordinator. These are full on great coaches.
(10:00):
These are full on great players. Joe Burrow just happened
to be a backup, probably at the wrong school or
for the wrong system, whatever. But this isn't like a
scrappy feel good thing. This is incredible coaching, an incredible infrastructure,
an incredible talent coming together. And so to me, what
LSU's twenty nineteen isn't is like a bad News Bears thing.
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Their game against Clemson proved was this is just college
football excellence, and it's all time excellence. For all of
the reasons why excellent teams have come together in years past,
it's just new in this decade for LSU to do
what they did. And Clemson's a great team, and what
LSU was able to do in the second and third
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quarter and just trample them was nothing new for this
team this year. But nevertheless, an incredible watch.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
An incredible watch, and to your point, Ed ors run
ed Orgron's run in college football circles for a long time.
Of course, was coach at ol Miss. He saw during
the broadcast they showed all of his stops around the
state of Louisiana, had a brief runt at USC ed
orgs Heron's never been short on motivation and there's never
been any doubt about the fact that he's an elite recruiter.
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The guy knows how to get you amped up to
play for him. But what was lacking, and specifically lacking
at LSU even before he got there, was this infrastructure
on offense trying to figure out a new twist, some
way to liven it up. And so when we all
heard that going into the year that this was the
year they had figured it out or they were trying
to figure it out, they were trying something new, I
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think it was met rightfully with some skepticism because we've
heard that act before and it hadn't materialized. And to
your point, Dan, there's a lot to be said for
a coach going out making a key decision and having
it work. Look at Daboswiney on the other side of
the field. We've had guests on this show time and
again talk about how when Dabo took over at Clemson,
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his first choice was to go out and hire assistant
coaches who he knew were going to be very good,
who could carry some of the weight for him as
a first time head coach. That was a decision that
in the long term has paid handsomely. Multiple hundreds of
times over for that Clemson football program and the legacy
that Dabosweeney's going to leave behind. I don't know what
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the eventual story is going to be for Ed Orgeron,
but the fact that he made this decision, now, as
you said, maybe a bit out of desperation to try
and retool this offense, the way that it worked out,
the way that it was cobbled together and built around
this personnel grouping that he had, was nothing short of
a great coaching decision. So all due credit to him
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and what he put forth in twenty nineteen because, as
many have said, and I'm sure we'll debate in the offseason,
clearly one of the best offensive performances in the history
of college football.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, a lot of know what you are, know what
you aren't, and lsu knew that they were not in
a good place offensively. They tried this a few years
ago with Matt Canada to modernize and it didn't work.
For personality reasons, for on field reasons, consistency reasons. It
didn't work. So it's not just the idea of we
need to change, we need to evolve. I'm checking my
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ego at the door. You also have to find the
right guy. You also have to be incredibly lucky, and
everybody that succeeds has some sort of luck at some point.
I will also add, and people have pointed to the
Clemson template, the Dabo template of hiring great assistance and
taking less money up front. It also helps when you
have a school behind you, an athletic department behind you,
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that has a ton of money that they're willing to
spend on modernizing, on hiring and retaining coaches. Which I
don't know how much Dave Randa made this year, but
it's not two hundred thousand dollars. No, it's not seven
hundred thousand dollars. It's closer to two million dollars. So
this is it's an incredible story. But I think because
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of the personality involved specifically, we tend to look at
things in a very binary way. Either they're like the
ruthless killer Nick Saban type or they're sort of aw
shucks whatever type. And the fact of the matter is
LSU specifically got lucky with Joe Burrow, but they did
the right thing. LSU got lucky with Joe Brady and
Steve Ensminger working together. I mean, I think Steve Ensminger
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is what twice Joe Brady's age, so there's a certain
amount of luck. It's also really nice that LSU happens
to be in maybe the most per capita talented high
school recruiting state as Louisiana. I think has been written
as I couldn't have been happier to watch LSU this
season because their specific road was so different from Clemson's
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to get to this point in that I think it
was what six ranked teams that they beat, and significant
ranked teams Florida, Auburn, I mean, Texas I think finished
in the top twenty five, but Georgia, Oklahoma, teams that
do at least one thing in incredibly well, and so
Clemson didn't necessarily have that. They couldn't control that. And
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I get kind of bored trying to put LSU in
like an all time conversation because context is so different. Sure,
I'd like to just appreciate LSU for what they did
this season, which was just remarkable. But I came away
from this game refreshed to watch a team really turn
it around as quickly as they did, knowing the clear
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advantages that they had. But I just I love watching
Clyde Edwards Hilaire. I loved watching Jamar Chase. I loved
that the defense really came into its own later on
in the season as you watch them against Oklahoma and Georgia.
It was just it's an incredible story and it's something novel.
It wasn't Clemson winning again, it wasn't Alabama winning. It
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wasn't Ohio State, even though Clemson goes through Ohio State.
There was something. It was something we hadn't seen that
level of offensive dominance paired with and LSU is very
clear a blue blood, but within that context something that
is just it's at least a little bit different, and
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
So as we talk about what LSU did on offense,
and especially the performance they turned in again last twenty
five minutes of the game, really where they shut down
Clemson's let's look a little bit at some of the
stats from this game. Not to be too heavy on
the stats, but now you're good. Clemson held under four
hundred yards, which you know, in most normal discussions about
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college football, under four hundred yards is like nothing really
to write home about. But with this Clemson offense and
all the weapons they have, particularly Trevor Lawrence. To hold
them down to three ninety four in total yardage is
pretty impressive. Trevor Lawrence. On the day we talk a
little bit about Joe Burrow being flapped early. HM, Trevor
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Lawrence saw a lot of pressure, He saw some interesting coverages.
I heard some of his comments in the postgame presser,
and yeah, they they had him guessing at a lot
of spots in this game. Eighteen of thirty seven for
two thirty four no touchdowns. He had that fumble late
in the game when it was pretty much on ice
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at that point. The big number here, though, is one
of eleven on third downs. Elis who really brought their
a game on third downs, holding down Clemson and doing
their part to try and give the ball back to
the offense and extend that lead.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Oh one hundred percent. And then third down is where
they thrived last year against Alabama. We remember all those
fifty to fifty throws to Justin Ross and t Higgins
against Alabama, those out routes from you know, a true
freshman quarterback. They really nailed the moments last year and
there was just nothing. There was no oxygen on third
down for Clemson at all. After they went up seventeen
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to seven. And that's LSU. That's confusion, and that is
that is Dave Randa, and that is the those corners.
Just it seemed like if Clemson were if Clemson was
going to move the ball, it was going to be
Trevor Lawrence fitting passes into impossible windows. And we've talked
about this with national championships, We've talked about this with
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big games. If that's what you need for four quarters,
it's going to be almost impossible if you can't generate
anything easy, if you can't generate any you know, crossing route,
if you can't generate Okay, Trevor Lawrence hits t Higgins
for nineteen, he hits you know, justin Ross for eleven,
and you know, just the guys are sitting in zones,
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the guys are making really nice double moves. If you're
not able to get that downfield like you normally are
against everybody else, it feels like there's a three percent
chance that you can beat a team as talented as LSU.
And that ultimately was I mean, you're right to mention
the third downs, but I mean I remember watching you know, Oregon, Wisconsin,
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Wisconsin needed fourth down after fourth down after fourth down,
and they did a really good job there. But when
you need that, it's hard to separate. It's hard to
hang with another good team.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, got to stay ahead of the chains, got to
stay ahead of the change, especially when you've got an
offense like LSU's on the other side of the field
that has so much just you know, so much weaponry.
It's tough to get tend with that if you can't convert.
I keep coming back to those last twenty five minutes,
but the reason I do so Clemson held to sixty
five total yards in their last five drives of the
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football game, and it's just tough to get back in
a game. It's tough to do much of anything when
you're under take from you, i know, under literally one
hundred yards of total offense in five possessions.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Who are the best two teams in the country now
that we've seen everything play out as thoroughly as we
possibly can.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Well, clearly LSU and it's yeah, it's a question of
like a question of number two. You know, I still
am partial to Clemson here. I think we got the
best two teams maybe with two A or two B
being Ohio State because that game was so close. But
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in the end, I think Clemson with what they do
on defense, and you know, never mind what happened in
this football game with Joe Burrow shredding them, but what
Clemson has done on defense, moving from what we saw
a season ago when they won the national championship, having
that incredible front four, moving to this crazy system where
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they move Isaiah Simmons all over the field. They being
pressure from linebackers as opposed to their front four in
a manner that's a little bit different from what we
saw a year ago. Their ability to adapt and still
play at a very high level defensively, to me, is
what puts them. Puts them just a nod over Ohio State.
Aside of the fact that they actually won the football game.
They're probably is still my number two. Where would you
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put into Alabama to Alabama? Ooh man, that.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Might be my number two. Actually, that's the thing. They
gave LSU more offensively. Now I know they weren't fully
you know, it wasn't a one possession game consistently, even
though it finished I think what they lost by five,
they put forty one on LSU and that was in Tuscaloosa,
So this is not a neutral site like Clemson got.
I think with what Alabama has firepower wise, and I
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know they took a step back on defense. Again. We
talked about this on our Instagram live before the show.
If I had ten thousand dollars to bet on a
team to beat LSU on a neutral field after having
watched now what Clemson was or was not able to do.
So this is you know, we're basically hYP hypothesizing there.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
It's the word.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I guess Alabama and Ohio State as teams who have
that talent that didn't get a shot against LSU. I
think I would take Alabama over Ohio State to take
down LSU.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Well, Alabama was within five of LSU when they played
earlier in the year, and that was a good football
game to watch. TWA was in that football game. If
two is on the field is probably a much different conversation.
It has to be. But as it stands right now,
I think Clemson is still my number two to a
play in that game. But beat up, yeah, beat up,
beat up for sure. How do you feel about these
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guys moving forward? Both these teams, Obviously LSU is losing
its quarterback in Joe Burrow. Trevor Lawrence will be around
for another year. And we've heard so much about Clemson's
constant infusion of talent in year around one recruiter in front.
They're always in the mix, and lsc was as well.
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But I don't think there's any doubt that LSU has
to take a step back because Joe Burrow, I'm assuming
he's going to be in the NFL. But where do
we stand on both of these teams now as we
enter the twenty twenty season. Clemson's in a better place
because they've been able to, whether you know, the losses
of incredible players to get back to this point. LSU
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is on to chapter two, whereas Clemson feels like they're
on chapter four or five. So at least there's there's faith.
There's confidence in the I was gonna say Tiger, but
the Clemson Tiger program that they'll hire if they lose
Brent Venables. I mean, they just lost an offensive coordinator
in Jeff Scott. But there's confidence that they'll be able
to retool and figure out systems and keep the keep
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the factory open. LSU is interesting. I can't imagine anybody
believes Joe Brady is long for Baton Rouge, even if
he coaches another year there. Next year quarterback is a
lot less certain system hiring assistants because as well as
LSU's defense is played, it now seems like, okay, this
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is Dave Randa with his maximum value. You know, maybe
he gets hired by an NFL team, maybe he sticks around.
I don't think he's going to get a better situation
in college than what he has at LSU.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
But ed Orgeron passed chapter one with flying colors. LSU
is gonna be in a great position talent wise right now. Though,
with what Clemson has coming in and they have their
return basically everybody in important mean, they're SI. You probably lose,
you know, t Higgins and Travis etn. But the receivers
that they have there, that's probably the best coach receiver
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team in the country. Clemson should I believe they are
the odds on favorite. Yeah, right now, So I'm looking
at the odds. Clemson is a two to one favorite,
followed by Ohio State at three and a half to one,
Alabama at seven to one, Georgia at seven and a
half to one. LSU is at fourteen to one. Yeah,
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I mean, and what LSU does that quarterback, whether it's
Miles Brennan, whether it's another one of the younger guys,
whether they go to the transfer portal. I saw Derek
King put his name in officially after taking that weird
red shirt situation after a couple of games, and I
imagine he will be a hot commodity. I don't think
Oklahoma turns to another transfer, but who knows. So LSU
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seems like a pretty ideal situation with what he'll have
around him, especially if Joe Brady returns. Yeah, the chapter
two is a mystery to me for LSU. I really
hope we get as many entertaining football games from the Tigers.
But Clemson's in a better place right now. I would
agree with that.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And you know, for sure, LSU caught lightning in a bottle.
What makes them different is that they knew exactly what
to do with it, or they figured out what to
do with it on the fly. And Joe Burrow, I
think they knew they had something last year. They just
needed to beef up that offense. And that was clearly
a concerted effort in the off season, and that's what
that's exactly what ed or Dron was trying to do.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Are you ready for And it won't be a fantasy thing,
So I'm I'm happy to talk about it now. There
was going there are going to be stories that will
use the phrasing. Could be a Joe.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Burrow type, a little bit of Joe b or a
young offensive coordinator coming in and like they think he'll
have a Joe Brady like effect on the blobby blah offense.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
We're going to need the Joe Brady fantasy things item
for sure.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
The Joe Brady fantasy things. Yeah. Well, I mean an
incredible job by both Brady and Enspinger and Burrow. I mean,
there's nothing short of just terrific. But what LSU did
is not going to be respected as it should be
as something that only LSU could accomplish. And we are
going to see, Oh there's a template, there's a template
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of opening things up, of finding a new coordinator who's
going to have this type of effect. And I can't
wait for it. I cannot absolutely wait for it.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
So your final score here was forty two to twenty five.
LSU becomes now the second fifteen and oh team in
the history of college football, behind Clemson. Last year, Clempson
finishes fourteen and one, a marvelous season for them as well.
How did you watch this game? ESPN had its Mega
cast going again, where we had multiple different feeds that
(26:41):
we could watch. I did my best to graze and
sample each of them.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
So I watched the main feed. I flipped a little
bit at different points in the game early on to
just get a sense. I thought the I don't know
what it was called the sideline with our pala Adam Amemeil,
Penny Levy, the field pass, thank you. I think it
was what Pat McAfee and Daniel Rostovsky. Yeah, maah, seemed
to be pretty good. But they're reacting without a vantage point,
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without context, so that's tough. I watched the coach's film room.
Some actually came away pretty impressed with Jeff Haffley Boston College.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
For more than one reason. Please. Yeah, so that feed
remains the one that I'm most interested in. But I
can't stand to watch.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah. Yeah, it's not a good live watch. It's an
after the fact watch, I think, is where it really is. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
And like in the past, they've tried to plug in
a host play traffic cop right, and this year. I'm
guessing they ditched that idea and sort of decided to
let Mike Gundy and Jeff Haffley do it. Yeah, they
Sean Parker lose the the Yeah. I think they actually
did a decent enough job doing it. The problem is
that Gary Patterson does all the talking. Is the alpha.
(27:55):
He is the alpha. And to his credit, he's been
a coach for a long time. He's very bread and
he's good at what he does. There's a reason he's
been at TCU forever. But from a watchability standpoint, sitting
at home, the only two solutions are to either a
put Gary Patterson as the only one in the film
room or b get rid of them all together and
invite someone else. Oh, the Gary Patterson Room, the frog room,
(28:19):
the frog Room.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I imagine there's an element of because he's done it
so many times and because he has always sort of
looked like the strong personality in the Coaches room, that
a producer pulled him asides like listen, there's dead air.
We need you. You know, we can count on you.
If there's a lull, we need we need you GP.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
The Coaches film room was just an exercise in four
different dudes saying, can you rewind that? Okay, rewind that place?
Can you rewind that? Can we go back?
Speaker 1 (28:49):
We go back? QUI go back?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Quig go back, QUI go back. And they didn't want
to come across as like this is a run, this
is a pass, this is a draw. They they were
genuinely impressed with both teams, I thought, and the sort
of architecture of their game plans, which I like to
see coaches come away with things like oh that's an
interesting RN call, Oh wow, okay, they didn't show that,
(29:11):
and to actually that phrasing, they didn't show that. I
saw Steve Ensminger I was. I don't know who he told,
but it was like the sixth or seventh straight game
where LSU's offense saw a defense that they hadn't seen
on film, like what Clemson threw at LSU was not
anything that they were prepared for, and still they adjusted,
(29:32):
they stayed calm, and it was It was very cool.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I did enjoy elements of that coaching film room is
it is fun. Like I said, it remains the feed
that I'm most interested in, but it can be can
be a tough watch. I'm with you on the field pass.
It's it's a ton of fun, not just because our
good friend Adam is involved, but I do enjoy watching
them move frantically about the sidelines, like just the machinations
(29:58):
of that. Oh yeah, yeah, to me is very interesting.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Hit by arrant punts.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Exactly did you did you dabble it all with the
ref cast?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
No?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I did not either. I didn't do the roughcast.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I didn't do the NAT sound of just like a
wide camera and the dome. Didn't do that. Did not
do the local radio guys, which I'm sure was cool
if you're specifically an LS you are a Clemson fan, sure,
but yeah, that those were the Those are the feeds
that I went. I didn't do the stat camera, the
all twenty two whatever I mean, I guess the coach's
film room was all twenty two ish. It was the
(30:30):
wide angle, but no, it was. It was a good broadcast.
I thought Fowler and Herb Street were good. I came away.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
It was long, really long, four four and a half.
Felt some of those quarters needed halftime.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, it lasted and last and lasted. But you know,
this is the final game of the season. If you're
complaining about a long football game, maybe you're not super
into football.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Maybe you're not so all right here we are. Yeah,
everyone starting today is official undefeated. Congratulations as we enter
the twenty twenty college football season. Dan. As we said
at the top, just because they aren't playing the games
does not mean we are not putting out the podcast.
We officially now switch back to our once a week format.
(31:17):
We will be here doing our show once a week
until when like late July, early August. At some point
around then, we'll start previewing games and then we'll jump
back in. But as for the time being, we're looking
at about seven months of off season college football content.
Mister Rubinstein, Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I wouldn't take it to the bank that we're only
doing once a week. I think we have some stuff
up our sleeves that all schedule a little bet, but
that's another day another time. I would encourage people, if
they are not subscribed, to subscribe right now to join
the subreddit. I also have in front of me our
friends Dumandel's Way too Early top twenty five okay for
(31:58):
twenty twenty. I'm putting this on you. I have he
has Clemson one, which I think is Ohio State two,
Alabama three. I think Mac Jones, and I guess he'll
be battling a five star true freshman quarterback Bryce Young.
It'll be a new receiver corps because I think Jerry
Judy and Henry Ruggs both declared, but DeVante Smith and
(32:19):
Davanta Smith and Jalen Wattle still there. Georgia four with
Jamie Newman, but they returned some some studs on defense.
I don't know how you feel about Jamie Newman. I
think we're going to probably do a transfer and new
look specific show with coaches and transfers popping up all
over the country. LSU five too low, too high with
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quarterback uncertainty.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Let's say you that might be pretty high. Okay, yeah,
that might be. That might be pretty high, Dan, I.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Guess quarterback and coordinator uncertainty. Penn State at six. You
gotta love Kirk Shiraka. Yeah, if you like Penn State
at number six, I think I.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Think you're really really subscribing to Kerch Shiraka. If you've
got Penn State at number six.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
But Su mandel is Stu Mandel is. But there's so
much coming back on that defense that again as the
bedrock and the starting point for what Penn State's going
to do next year. That's that's as good a spot
as any. They do lose kJ Hamler, which it will
be interesting to see how they replace that kind of production.
Receiver was not a strong suit for Penn State this year.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Outside of him, Yeah, a couple of bus as well,
higher rated recruits. That receiver didn't really work out for
Penn State as well. Florida at seven, Kyle Trask is
is he the clear best reason?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I think? I think Florida is my way too early,
like to the extent that they can be a sleeper. Yeah,
they're my way too early sleeper team. Their corners for
twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah. Oregon at eight, they don't have an offensive coordinator
at the time we're recording this. I know the team
really likes Tyler Shuck who was justin Herbert's backup at quarterback,
and their juniors on defense are all returning that perhaps
we're flirting with the NFL. Their defense should be absurd.
This will be a don't top five defense in the country, probably,
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especially with what they'll be seeing on offense, which will
now include the Nick Rolovich Washington State Cougars. That was
sort of announced during the game. So there's that Oklahoma nine.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
That's wow. Yeah, I don't know. They won't finish ninth.
Let's put it that way, They'll finish higher.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
The Big twelve will be better in twenty twenty. It
should the year of the new coaching under the belts
of what Neil Brown and Chris Cleman and Matt Wells like.
There's a lot more to count on with the Big twelve.
So I think it's gonna be tough for It's probably
gonna be Spencer Ratler, who I know they like a lot.
I think he was the number one quarterback last year
coming out of high school. I think you're right. Notre
(34:54):
Dame ten.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Notre Dame ten is I think about right. I am
curious though. Again I go back to preseason odds and
I mentioned the top five, but Notre Dame is number
six at twenty to one. They're in front of Florida. Yeah,
they're in front of Texas, They're in front of USC Oklahoma,
They're in front of Michigan and Penn State. I think
(35:16):
ten's about right. To be honest with you, there are
some losses that they're going to have to contend with
as well, especially on the defensive side of the football,
but should have a good team coming back. The schedule
does get harder, though.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
If Notre Dame makes the twenty twenty Slash twenty twenty
one college Football Playoff. Let's agree now to pool our
life savings to gamble against Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Deal.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Okay, good Wisconsin at eleven? Uh huh, I might wager yeah.
I think the Wisconsin defense should be pretty good, but
they're without Zach Bond and Chris Orr. I don't know,
no jtt. I think that's an off year for the
Badgers to me, but have not really fully gotten in
(36:01):
deep with the Badger of y. At Auburn at twelve,
adding Chad Morris I think is interesting. I'm not fully
sold on bow Nicks Iowa thirteen, USC fourteen no defensive
coordinator at the time of this recording. Oklahoma State fifteen
doing anything for you at Chuba Horbard coming back.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Cuba Hubbard coming back.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I like that, And they promote Casey Dunn, the receivers
coach from within, taking over at offensive coordinator after losing
Sean Gleeson to Rutgers Minnesota at sixteen. Ill like well.
They hire Mike Samford I think they're gonna be a
good team.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I think they're still gonna be pretty goods still gonna
be pretty good.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Inner Morgan back, Yeah, all right, all round it out Texas, Cincinnati, Tennessee,
Michigan at twenty. I guess it's Dylan McCaffrey, Joe Milton,
who knows a quarterback? Memphis new head coach. We'll see
A and M I.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Think is.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I don't know if I feel good about a Top
twelve Hellen mand led offense, but happy to be surprised.
North Carolina ASU with an intriguing quarterback and a new
offensive coordinator. Call it twenty five tie, let's plant the flag.
Top fifteen. Cal Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I'm ready, baby, I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Okay, they lose Evan Weaver, which is damage because he
tackled everybody at twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
So Daniel, here is the deal. We have our three
winners in the college football Bullpool, OH Conference Pool. Keith
Richards eighty six held on, okay, held on to win.
Also let down look Ahead Sandwich, an entry that I
had spot shadowed when we did our analysis a couple
(37:41):
of weeks ago, eventually did jump up and look at this.
I love my Oregon Ducks one. Oh yeah, coming in
third place. Keith Richards actually tied for twenty fifth overall.
Like across however, many hundreds of thousands of millions of
entries on the esp dot com website, he actually fared
(38:02):
pretty well, so on.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
By two points seven hundred and sixty six to seven
sixty four. And then I Love my organ ducs one
was seven fifty so tight at the top.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Very tight at the top. Here is the deal, boys
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(38:32):
one and all, Thank you so much. To the gosh.
Would we have fourteen hundred people or so that ended
up playing in our pool our biggest showing yet, We
really appreciate it. Hope you had as much fun as
we did. Wish I would have done a little bit better.
I finished with six hundred and eighteen point stand in
the seventieth percentile.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I went six forty four eighty fourth percentile, okay, edging
out the PA contingent.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
It's not the fantasy things, but you want something gradations.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Thank you very very much. This was god. I missed
I think my lowest four, which was pretty great, my one, two,
three and four pointers and I hit my number one.
But I did lose my number two, but then I
went on a nice run at the top, so it
would have been better if I guess Nevada had one
and uh SMU had one. So thanks for nothing, Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Well, among all the groups across all of ESPN, our
group finished number one eighteen, which ain't bad. Hey, good
job guys, and pretty much all those other groups are
way way smaller than ours.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
That qualifies for Wimbledon. I believe believe that there are
one hundred and twenty eight entrants in Wimbledon, so great.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
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(40:07):
you said, mister Rubenstein, We've got all sorts of fun
stuff planned for this college football off season, which officially
begins today. But in the meantime, Dan, congratulations again to
the LSU Tigers and at Orgeron, Joe Burrow, the entire
Bayou Bengal family on a fantastic fifteen to oher season.
It was a true pleasure to watch it from this chair.
(40:31):
And that's pretty much all I got.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Congratulations to us three shows a week all season long,
dumb boat jokes, and both of our teams finished impressively,
and I think we'll be reasonably optimistic going into twenty
twenty about the Ducks and the Irish.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
I think we are. I think we are.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
That's all I have.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
On that note for that guy over there and my
good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hilton Brandt over
here in eastern Pennsylvania, thank you so much for hanging
with us, not just on this show, but really throughout
the course of the season. We will be back at
you next week. In the meantime, stay solid, peace,
Welcome to the solid verbal.
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Come that for me.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
I'm a man, I'm forty.
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I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
be happy, you want to be happy for Dake Edith State?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Is that whoo whoom? And Dan and Tye, welcome back
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
They said the Bison couldn't do it, They said North
Dakota State with a freshman quarterback couldn't come through in Frisco.
And here we are to recap all things. Trey Lance, Ty,
I'm great. How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I am doing well? Welcome one, Welcome all, and congratulations
to the LSU Tigers who triumphantly won the College Football
Playoff National Championship last night by a forty two to
twenty five score over the Clemson Tigers. This is a
different show for us. We only have one game to recap.
We're going to do our best to go through all
(01:09):
the minutia of the game that transpired last night in
New Orleans. In the meantime, though, if you haven't yet
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(01:30):
about the ins and outs of college football with interesting
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over the next few months. But as we make this
turn now into the so called doldrums of college football,
it's always great to have Oarver Bawlers with us. We
would urge you to join if you haven't already.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, do that. So we do have the one game
to discuss. I think we can also discuss implications moving
forward after we now know the results and where these
two teams are heading and who perhaps might be in
position to be in our recap show on an early
Tuesday morning in early January next year. I'd like to
frame this show and you can turn me down it's okay,
(02:11):
and figure out what is and what isn't as it
relates to LSU and Clemson. So I suppose, unless there's
more housekeeping to do, people understand that LSU is a
national champion. They'd beat Clemson forty two to twenty five
in a game that wasn't really in doubt late. But
to you, what was this game? What did you come
(02:33):
away with being sure of after watching LSU's offense put
forty two and over six hundred yards and really when
they got going dismantle a very very good Clemson defense.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Well, you know, a week ago, when we previewed this
game in hindsight, we were right to frame it out
by asking will it matter? Will it matter that Clemson's
got a great pass rush and one of the best
pass defenses in America? Will it matter that Joe Burrow
and at orger On I haven't been on a stage
this big, or that it's a home game, or we
listed off about fifteen items, Will they matter? What we
(03:08):
know now is that most of it didn't matter, not
over the course of sixty minutes. What truly mattered was
that Joe Burrow was again unflappable in two playoff games,
accounting for fourteen total touchdowns, which is a crazy stat,
a crazy stat maybe the greatest individual season in the
history of college football. We can read through the stats later,
(03:29):
but first and foremost I came away from this game
sure that Joe Burrow and this magical season he's had
was not a fluke. Not a fluke. He had a
good year last year where he won moments, and we
talked about those moments, but the offense around him hadn't
quite been assembled. Certainly, the offensive line in front of
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him was a big question mark going into this season. Now,
after seeing the full body of work and in particular
what he did in two huge playoff games games, there
is no doubt that this was no fluke by Joe Burrow.
He should be the first pick by the Cincinnati Bengals
to go home to Ohio. And I think that has
to be the main starting point here, even though it
(04:12):
may be cliche and overdone at this point, Joe Burrow
was the man.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Well, to be fair to the game itself, he was
you said, unflappable, but he was flapped early.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Early he was first first, like three drives, he was,
and then after that not so much.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Right and Clemson looked strong and more composed on offense early.
They sort of generate bigger plays and are able to
string together first downs a little bit more easily, spread
the ball around. Trevor Lawrence certainly looks more comfortable. Joe
Burrow talked about how Brent Venables and the Clemson defense
were coming at him from mystery angles. You know, they
were playing their three down linemen sort of bunched together
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near the middle of the line, and then they were
sending guys delayed guys and twists and whatever. And Joe
Burrow had a legitimately difficult time and the one play
he did make was called back for an offensive lineman
illegally downfield, because how could you assume that Joe Burrow
was going to be tackled in the backfield after spending
that much time with the ball scrambling for his life.
(05:09):
But Clemson looked like the better prepared team to win
this game for the first quarter and beyond as they
were looking at the LSU defense and figuring out ways
to move the ball. And then the second quarter, right,
it was like the first twenty minutes of this game,
the first third was all coming up Clemson. But after
(05:31):
that point LSU figured it out on offense, and as
you get to the back half of the game, LS
you shut down Clemson's offense completely shut it down for
the last twenty five minutes of the game, and the
attention is rightfully going to go to at Oorzan and
Joe Brady. Dave Randa not as much, I guess, Dave Randa,
but you know they, like you mentioned, the offensive line
(05:53):
coming together, these incredible receivers, Tis Marshall and Jamar Chase
goes for over two hundred justin Jefferson. Another great game.
Fad moss Key catches, Clyde Edwards, Hilaire kept getting it done.
The LSU defense. After they go down seventeen to seven,
I think LSU goes on a thirty five to eight
run the second half where you get the Joe Burrow touchdown.
(06:14):
He runs out of bounds and he throws the touchdown
pass right before the half. They get the ball at
halftime and get shut down. But it was the LSU
defense that was anywhere Trevor Lawrence and the Clemson offense
wanted to be. It was hands in passing lanes, it
was making him uncomfortable, it was making it was showing
no open lane for anything Clemson that ultimately, as much
(06:36):
as the LSU offense scored the points and brought lightning
to the National Championship Game, it was really the LSU
defense that ultimately stamped the ticket for LSU as national champions.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
To me, you know, we start this discussion rightfully talking
about Joe Burrow, the Heisman Trophy winner, of course, incredible
individual season. Again, I emphasize all the story of this
game to me was that LSU defense, because clearly opposite them,
this Clemson offense had enough firepower to contend with just
(07:10):
about anybody Dan. The fact that they were able to
shut them down in the manner that they did was
truly impressive. So I start with Burrow, I think I
end and I'm most impressed by the LSU defense in
the effort they put in.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, and it's an LSU defense. And we talked about
the Ali Oup quality of you know, putting a defense
on the field a lot if the offense is playing
really well or really poorly. They were scoring, LSU was
scoring quickly. LSU was moving the ball downfield, I mean
largely Joe Burrow to his receivers, namely Justin Jefferson and
Jamar Chase and Teris Marshall. The LSU defense got off
(07:45):
the field. I mean, you'd look at what Clemson was
able or really not able to do in the second half.
They score that touchdown early on on their first possession
in the second half. But then it's punt four plays,
punt four plays, punt three plays, punt five plays for
six yards and then Trevor Lawrence fumbles on their final
possession or I guess they got twenty or thirty yards.
But it was such a complete performance, and you know,
(08:09):
you can look back at the sliding doors and all
of the events that led to you know, ed Orgeran
getting the job, and Joe Oliva and holding onto less miles,
and you know Tom Herman being involved, Jimbo Fisher being involved,
and the foresight allegedly because this is what I want
to get into next of Joe Burrow coming to LSU
or and seeing something in Joe Burrow. But LSU got
(08:33):
to this point because of desperation. Now they got their
twenty nineteen season, was we have to figure out something
on offense. We have to figure out something where we
don't count on the offensive line after what they showed
in twenty eighteen. We have to figure something out at
quarterback and maybe this three star Ohio State backup is
the answer. We need something, We need a spark for
(08:54):
this offense. We need anything, and what I want to
get into with what it isn't and we can talk
about Clemson, we can talk about LSU somemore because I mean,
six hundred plus yards forty two points and getting their
act together after that first quarter was nothing short of incredible.
But I think what sort of gets lost because we're inundated.
Everybody's trying to come up with a different angle, everybody's
(09:16):
trying to come up with a different feel good story.
Edrogron gets positioned as he's the local guy who went
through some stuff and you know, USC didn't hire him
and he had a bad tenured old miss and he's
coming back home to LSU and he's just this down
home guy. Edorrigron is a full on great coach. And
(09:37):
I think that's that everybody thinks that he's almost like
the I don't I couldn't recall his name, the voiceover
guy who is homeless on the side of the road,
Oh right, that I want to say, yeah, yeah, we
like And you know, it's like, oh, this Joe Brady kid. Finally,
like Joe Brady won an essay contest to become the
LSU pass a game coordinator. These are full on great coaches.
(10:00):
These are full on great players. Joe Burrow just happened
to be a backup, probably at the wrong school or
for the wrong system, whatever. But this isn't like a
scrappy feel good thing. This is incredible coaching, an incredible infrastructure,
an incredible talent coming together. And so to me, what
LSU's twenty nineteen isn't is like a bad News Bears thing.
(10:25):
Their game against Clemson proved was this is just college
football excellence, and it's all time excellence. For all of
the reasons why excellent teams have come together in years past,
it's just new in this decade for LSU to do
what they did. And Clemson's a great team, and what
LSU was able to do in the second and third
(10:47):
quarter and just trample them was nothing new for this
team this year. But nevertheless, an incredible watch.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
An incredible watch, and to your point, Ed ors run
ed Orgron's run in college football circles for a long time.
Of course, was coach at ol Miss. He saw during
the broadcast they showed all of his stops around the
state of Louisiana, had a brief runt at USC ed
orgs Heron's never been short on motivation and there's never
been any doubt about the fact that he's an elite recruiter.
(11:20):
The guy knows how to get you amped up to
play for him. But what was lacking, and specifically lacking
at LSU even before he got there, was this infrastructure
on offense trying to figure out a new twist, some
way to liven it up. And so when we all
heard that going into the year that this was the
year they had figured it out or they were trying
to figure it out, they were trying something new, I
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think it was met rightfully with some skepticism because we've
heard that act before and it hadn't materialized. And to
your point, Dan, there's a lot to be said for
a coach going out making a key decision and having
it work. Look at Daboswiney on the other side of
the field. We've had guests on this show time and
again talk about how when Dabo took over at Clemson,
(12:05):
his first choice was to go out and hire assistant
coaches who he knew were going to be very good,
who could carry some of the weight for him as
a first time head coach. That was a decision that
in the long term has paid handsomely. Multiple hundreds of
times over for that Clemson football program and the legacy
that Dabosweeney's going to leave behind. I don't know what
(12:28):
the eventual story is going to be for Ed Orgeron,
but the fact that he made this decision, now, as
you said, maybe a bit out of desperation to try
and retool this offense, the way that it worked out,
the way that it was cobbled together and built around
this personnel grouping that he had, was nothing short of
a great coaching decision. So all due credit to him
(12:48):
and what he put forth in twenty nineteen because, as
many have said, and I'm sure we'll debate in the offseason,
clearly one of the best offensive performances in the history
of college football.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, a lot of know what you are, know what
you aren't, and lsu knew that they were not in
a good place offensively. They tried this a few years
ago with Matt Canada to modernize and it didn't work.
For personality reasons, for on field reasons, consistency reasons. It
didn't work. So it's not just the idea of we
need to change, we need to evolve. I'm checking my
(13:19):
ego at the door. You also have to find the
right guy. You also have to be incredibly lucky, and
everybody that succeeds has some sort of luck at some point.
I will also add, and people have pointed to the
Clemson template, the Dabo template of hiring great assistance and
taking less money up front. It also helps when you
have a school behind you, an athletic department behind you,
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that has a ton of money that they're willing to
spend on modernizing, on hiring and retaining coaches. Which I
don't know how much Dave Randa made this year, but
it's not two hundred thousand dollars. No, it's not seven
hundred thousand dollars. It's closer to two million dollars. So
this is it's an incredible story. But I think because
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of the personality involved specifically, we tend to look at
things in a very binary way. Either they're like the
ruthless killer Nick Saban type or they're sort of aw
shucks whatever type. And the fact of the matter is
LSU specifically got lucky with Joe Burrow, but they did
the right thing. LSU got lucky with Joe Brady and
Steve Ensminger working together. I mean, I think Steve Ensminger
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is what twice Joe Brady's age, so there's a certain
amount of luck. It's also really nice that LSU happens
to be in maybe the most per capita talented high
school recruiting state as Louisiana. I think has been written
as I couldn't have been happier to watch LSU this
season because their specific road was so different from Clemson's
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to get to this point in that I think it
was what six ranked teams that they beat, and significant
ranked teams Florida, Auburn, I mean, Texas I think finished
in the top twenty five, but Georgia, Oklahoma, teams that
do at least one thing in incredibly well, and so
Clemson didn't necessarily have that. They couldn't control that. And
(15:06):
I get kind of bored trying to put LSU in
like an all time conversation because context is so different. Sure,
I'd like to just appreciate LSU for what they did
this season, which was just remarkable. But I came away
from this game refreshed to watch a team really turn
it around as quickly as they did, knowing the clear
(15:28):
advantages that they had. But I just I love watching
Clyde Edwards Hilaire. I loved watching Jamar Chase. I loved
that the defense really came into its own later on
in the season as you watch them against Oklahoma and Georgia.
It was just it's an incredible story and it's something novel.
It wasn't Clemson winning again, it wasn't Alabama winning. It
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wasn't Ohio State, even though Clemson goes through Ohio State.
There was something. It was something we hadn't seen that
level of offensive dominance paired with and LSU is very
clear a blue blood, but within that context something that
is just it's at least a little bit different, and
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
So as we talk about what LSU did on offense,
and especially the performance they turned in again last twenty
five minutes of the game, really where they shut down
Clemson's let's look a little bit at some of the
stats from this game. Not to be too heavy on
the stats, but now you're good. Clemson held under four
hundred yards, which you know, in most normal discussions about
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college football, under four hundred yards is like nothing really
to write home about. But with this Clemson offense and
all the weapons they have, particularly Trevor Lawrence. To hold
them down to three ninety four in total yardage is
pretty impressive. Trevor Lawrence. On the day we talk a
little bit about Joe Burrow being flapped early. HM, Trevor
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Lawrence saw a lot of pressure, He saw some interesting coverages.
I heard some of his comments in the postgame presser,
and yeah, they they had him guessing at a lot
of spots in this game. Eighteen of thirty seven for
two thirty four no touchdowns. He had that fumble late
in the game when it was pretty much on ice
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at that point. The big number here, though, is one
of eleven on third downs. Elis who really brought their
a game on third downs, holding down Clemson and doing
their part to try and give the ball back to
the offense and extend that lead.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Oh one hundred percent. And then third down is where
they thrived last year against Alabama. We remember all those
fifty to fifty throws to Justin Ross and t Higgins
against Alabama, those out routes from you know, a true
freshman quarterback. They really nailed the moments last year and
there was just nothing. There was no oxygen on third
down for Clemson at all. After they went up seventeen
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to seven. And that's LSU. That's confusion, and that is
that is Dave Randa, and that is the those corners.
Just it seemed like if Clemson were if Clemson was
going to move the ball, it was going to be
Trevor Lawrence fitting passes into impossible windows. And we've talked
about this with national championships, We've talked about this with
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big games. If that's what you need for four quarters,
it's going to be almost impossible if you can't generate
anything easy, if you can't generate any you know, crossing route,
if you can't generate Okay, Trevor Lawrence hits t Higgins
for nineteen, he hits you know, justin Ross for eleven,
and you know, just the guys are sitting in zones,
(18:29):
the guys are making really nice double moves. If you're
not able to get that downfield like you normally are
against everybody else, it feels like there's a three percent
chance that you can beat a team as talented as LSU.
And that ultimately was I mean, you're right to mention
the third downs, but I mean I remember watching you know, Oregon, Wisconsin,
(18:49):
Wisconsin needed fourth down after fourth down after fourth down,
and they did a really good job there. But when
you need that, it's hard to separate. It's hard to
hang with another good team.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yeah, got to stay ahead of the chains, got to
stay ahead of the change, especially when you've got an
offense like LSU's on the other side of the field
that has so much just you know, so much weaponry.
It's tough to get tend with that if you can't convert.
I keep coming back to those last twenty five minutes,
but the reason I do so Clemson held to sixty
five total yards in their last five drives of the
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football game, and it's just tough to get back in
a game. It's tough to do much of anything when
you're under take from you, i know, under literally one
hundred yards of total offense in five possessions.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Who are the best two teams in the country now
that we've seen everything play out as thoroughly as we
possibly can.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Well, clearly LSU and it's yeah, it's a question of
like a question of number two. You know, I still
am partial to Clemson here. I think we got the
best two teams maybe with two A or two B
being Ohio State because that game was so close. But
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in the end, I think Clemson with what they do
on defense, and you know, never mind what happened in
this football game with Joe Burrow shredding them, but what
Clemson has done on defense, moving from what we saw
a season ago when they won the national championship, having
that incredible front four, moving to this crazy system where
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they move Isaiah Simmons all over the field. They being
pressure from linebackers as opposed to their front four in
a manner that's a little bit different from what we
saw a year ago. Their ability to adapt and still
play at a very high level defensively, to me, is
what puts them. Puts them just a nod over Ohio State.
Aside of the fact that they actually won the football game.
They're probably is still my number two. Where would you
(20:44):
put into Alabama to Alabama? Ooh man, that.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
Might be my number two. Actually, that's the thing. They
gave LSU more offensively. Now I know they weren't fully
you know, it wasn't a one possession game consistently, even
though it finished I think what they lost by five,
they put forty one on LSU and that was in Tuscaloosa,
So this is not a neutral site like Clemson got.
I think with what Alabama has firepower wise, and I
(21:12):
know they took a step back on defense. Again. We
talked about this on our Instagram live before the show.
If I had ten thousand dollars to bet on a
team to beat LSU on a neutral field after having
watched now what Clemson was or was not able to do.
So this is you know, we're basically hYP hypothesizing there.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
It's the word.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I guess Alabama and Ohio State as teams who have
that talent that didn't get a shot against LSU. I
think I would take Alabama over Ohio State to take
down LSU.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Well, Alabama was within five of LSU when they played
earlier in the year, and that was a good football
game to watch. TWA was in that football game. If
two is on the field is probably a much different conversation.
It has to be. But as it stands right now,
I think Clemson is still my number two to a
play in that game. But beat up, yeah, beat up,
beat up for sure. How do you feel about these
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guys moving forward? Both these teams, Obviously LSU is losing
its quarterback in Joe Burrow. Trevor Lawrence will be around
for another year. And we've heard so much about Clemson's
constant infusion of talent in year around one recruiter in front.
They're always in the mix, and lsc was as well.
(22:25):
But I don't think there's any doubt that LSU has
to take a step back because Joe Burrow, I'm assuming
he's going to be in the NFL. But where do
we stand on both of these teams now as we
enter the twenty twenty season. Clemson's in a better place
because they've been able to, whether you know, the losses
of incredible players to get back to this point. LSU
(22:47):
is on to chapter two, whereas Clemson feels like they're
on chapter four or five. So at least there's there's faith.
There's confidence in the I was gonna say Tiger, but
the Clemson Tiger program that they'll hire if they lose
Brent Venables. I mean, they just lost an offensive coordinator
in Jeff Scott. But there's confidence that they'll be able
to retool and figure out systems and keep the keep
(23:10):
the factory open. LSU is interesting. I can't imagine anybody
believes Joe Brady is long for Baton Rouge, even if
he coaches another year there. Next year quarterback is a
lot less certain system hiring assistants because as well as
LSU's defense is played, it now seems like, okay, this
(23:30):
is Dave Randa with his maximum value. You know, maybe
he gets hired by an NFL team, maybe he sticks around.
I don't think he's going to get a better situation
in college than what he has at LSU.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
But ed Orgeron passed chapter one with flying colors. LSU
is gonna be in a great position talent wise right now. Though,
with what Clemson has coming in and they have their
return basically everybody in important mean, they're SI. You probably lose,
you know, t Higgins and Travis etn. But the receivers
that they have there, that's probably the best coach receiver
(24:01):
team in the country. Clemson should I believe they are
the odds on favorite. Yeah, right now, So I'm looking
at the odds. Clemson is a two to one favorite,
followed by Ohio State at three and a half to one,
Alabama at seven to one, Georgia at seven and a
half to one. LSU is at fourteen to one. Yeah,
(24:22):
I mean, and what LSU does that quarterback, whether it's
Miles Brennan, whether it's another one of the younger guys,
whether they go to the transfer portal. I saw Derek
King put his name in officially after taking that weird
red shirt situation after a couple of games, and I
imagine he will be a hot commodity. I don't think
Oklahoma turns to another transfer, but who knows. So LSU
(24:43):
seems like a pretty ideal situation with what he'll have
around him, especially if Joe Brady returns. Yeah, the chapter
two is a mystery to me for LSU. I really
hope we get as many entertaining football games from the Tigers.
But Clemson's in a better place right now. I would
agree with that.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And you know, for sure, LSU caught lightning in a bottle.
What makes them different is that they knew exactly what
to do with it, or they figured out what to
do with it on the fly. And Joe Burrow, I
think they knew they had something last year. They just
needed to beef up that offense. And that was clearly
a concerted effort in the off season, and that's what
that's exactly what ed or Dron was trying to do.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Are you ready for And it won't be a fantasy thing,
So I'm I'm happy to talk about it now. There
was going there are going to be stories that will
use the phrasing. Could be a Joe.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Burrow type, a little bit of Joe b or a
young offensive coordinator coming in and like they think he'll
have a Joe Brady like effect on the blobby blah offense.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
We're going to need the Joe Brady fantasy things item
for sure.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
The Joe Brady fantasy things. Yeah. Well, I mean an
incredible job by both Brady and Enspinger and Burrow. I mean,
there's nothing short of just terrific. But what LSU did
is not going to be respected as it should be
as something that only LSU could accomplish. And we are
going to see, Oh there's a template, there's a template
(26:10):
of opening things up, of finding a new coordinator who's
going to have this type of effect. And I can't
wait for it. I cannot absolutely wait for it.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
So your final score here was forty two to twenty five.
LSU becomes now the second fifteen and oh team in
the history of college football, behind Clemson. Last year, Clempson
finishes fourteen and one, a marvelous season for them as well.
How did you watch this game? ESPN had its Mega
cast going again, where we had multiple different feeds that
(26:41):
we could watch. I did my best to graze and
sample each of them.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
So I watched the main feed. I flipped a little
bit at different points in the game early on to
just get a sense. I thought the I don't know
what it was called the sideline with our pala Adam Amemeil,
Penny Levy, the field pass, thank you. I think it
was what Pat McAfee and Daniel Rostovsky. Yeah, maah, seemed
to be pretty good. But they're reacting without a vantage point,
(27:09):
without context, so that's tough. I watched the coach's film room.
Some actually came away pretty impressed with Jeff Haffley Boston College.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
For more than one reason. Please. Yeah, so that feed
remains the one that I'm most interested in. But I
can't stand to watch.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yeah. Yeah, it's not a good live watch. It's an
after the fact watch, I think, is where it really is. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
And like in the past, they've tried to plug in
a host play traffic cop right, and this year. I'm
guessing they ditched that idea and sort of decided to
let Mike Gundy and Jeff Haffley do it. Yeah, they
Sean Parker lose the the Yeah. I think they actually
did a decent enough job doing it. The problem is
that Gary Patterson does all the talking. Is the alpha.
(27:55):
He is the alpha. And to his credit, he's been
a coach for a long time. He's very bread and
he's good at what he does. There's a reason he's
been at TCU forever. But from a watchability standpoint, sitting
at home, the only two solutions are to either a
put Gary Patterson as the only one in the film
room or b get rid of them all together and
invite someone else. Oh, the Gary Patterson Room, the frog room,
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the frog Room.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I imagine there's an element of because he's done it
so many times and because he has always sort of
looked like the strong personality in the Coaches room, that
a producer pulled him asides like listen, there's dead air.
We need you. You know, we can count on you.
If there's a lull, we need we need you GP.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
The Coaches film room was just an exercise in four
different dudes saying, can you rewind that? Okay, rewind that place?
Can you rewind that? Can we go back?
Speaker 1 (28:49):
We go back? QUI go back?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Quig go back, QUI go back. And they didn't want
to come across as like this is a run, this
is a pass, this is a draw. They they were
genuinely impressed with both teams, I thought, and the sort
of architecture of their game plans, which I like to
see coaches come away with things like oh that's an
interesting RN call, Oh wow, okay, they didn't show that,
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and to actually that phrasing, they didn't show that. I
saw Steve Ensminger I was. I don't know who he told,
but it was like the sixth or seventh straight game
where LSU's offense saw a defense that they hadn't seen
on film, like what Clemson threw at LSU was not
anything that they were prepared for, and still they adjusted,
(29:32):
they stayed calm, and it was It was very cool.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
I did enjoy elements of that coaching film room is
it is fun. Like I said, it remains the feed
that I'm most interested in, but it can be can
be a tough watch. I'm with you on the field pass.
It's it's a ton of fun, not just because our
good friend Adam is involved, but I do enjoy watching
them move frantically about the sidelines, like just the machinations
(29:58):
of that. Oh yeah, yeah, to me is very interesting.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Hit by arrant punts.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Exactly did you did you dabble it all with the
ref cast?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
No?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I did not either. I didn't do the roughcast.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I didn't do the NAT sound of just like a
wide camera and the dome. Didn't do that. Did not
do the local radio guys, which I'm sure was cool
if you're specifically an LS you are a Clemson fan, sure,
but yeah, that those were the Those are the feeds
that I went. I didn't do the stat camera, the
all twenty two whatever I mean, I guess the coach's
film room was all twenty two ish. It was the
(30:30):
wide angle, but no, it was. It was a good broadcast.
I thought Fowler and Herb Street were good. I came away.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
It was long, really long, four four and a half.
Felt some of those quarters needed halftime.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, it lasted and last and lasted. But you know,
this is the final game of the season. If you're
complaining about a long football game, maybe you're not super
into football.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Maybe you're not so all right here we are. Yeah,
everyone starting today is official undefeated. Congratulations as we enter
the twenty twenty college football season. Dan. As we said
at the top, just because they aren't playing the games
does not mean we are not putting out the podcast.
We officially now switch back to our once a week format.
(31:17):
We will be here doing our show once a week
until when like late July, early August. At some point
around then, we'll start previewing games and then we'll jump
back in. But as for the time being, we're looking
at about seven months of off season college football content.
Mister Rubinstein, Yes.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
I wouldn't take it to the bank that we're only
doing once a week. I think we have some stuff
up our sleeves that all schedule a little bet, but
that's another day another time. I would encourage people, if
they are not subscribed, to subscribe right now to join
the subreddit. I also have in front of me our
friends Dumandel's Way too Early top twenty five okay for
(31:58):
twenty twenty. I'm putting this on you. I have he
has Clemson one, which I think is Ohio State two,
Alabama three. I think Mac Jones, and I guess he'll
be battling a five star true freshman quarterback Bryce Young.
It'll be a new receiver corps because I think Jerry
Judy and Henry Ruggs both declared, but DeVante Smith and
(32:19):
Davanta Smith and Jalen Wattle still there. Georgia four with
Jamie Newman, but they returned some some studs on defense.
I don't know how you feel about Jamie Newman. I
think we're going to probably do a transfer and new
look specific show with coaches and transfers popping up all
over the country. LSU five too low, too high with
(32:42):
quarterback uncertainty.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Let's say you that might be pretty high. Okay, yeah,
that might be. That might be pretty high, Dan, I.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Guess quarterback and coordinator uncertainty. Penn State at six. You
gotta love Kirk Shiraka. Yeah, if you like Penn State
at number six, I think I.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Think you're really really subscribing to Kerch Shiraka. If you've
got Penn State at number six.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
But Su mandel is Stu Mandel is. But there's so
much coming back on that defense that again as the
bedrock and the starting point for what Penn State's going
to do next year. That's that's as good a spot
as any. They do lose kJ Hamler, which it will
be interesting to see how they replace that kind of production.
Receiver was not a strong suit for Penn State this year.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Outside of him, Yeah, a couple of bus as well,
higher rated recruits. That receiver didn't really work out for
Penn State as well. Florida at seven, Kyle Trask is
is he the clear best reason?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
I think? I think Florida is my way too early,
like to the extent that they can be a sleeper. Yeah,
they're my way too early sleeper team. Their corners for
twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah. Oregon at eight, they don't have an offensive coordinator
at the time we're recording this. I know the team
really likes Tyler Shuck who was justin Herbert's backup at quarterback,
and their juniors on defense are all returning that perhaps
we're flirting with the NFL. Their defense should be absurd.
This will be a don't top five defense in the country, probably,
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especially with what they'll be seeing on offense, which will
now include the Nick Rolovich Washington State Cougars. That was
sort of announced during the game. So there's that Oklahoma nine.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
That's wow. Yeah, I don't know. They won't finish ninth.
Let's put it that way, They'll finish higher.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
The Big twelve will be better in twenty twenty. It
should the year of the new coaching under the belts
of what Neil Brown and Chris Cleman and Matt Wells like.
There's a lot more to count on with the Big twelve.
So I think it's gonna be tough for It's probably
gonna be Spencer Ratler, who I know they like a lot.
I think he was the number one quarterback last year
coming out of high school. I think you're right. Notre
(34:54):
Dame ten.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Notre Dame ten is I think about right. I am
curious though. Again I go back to preseason odds and
I mentioned the top five, but Notre Dame is number
six at twenty to one. They're in front of Florida. Yeah,
they're in front of Texas, They're in front of USC Oklahoma,
They're in front of Michigan and Penn State. I think
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ten's about right. To be honest with you, there are
some losses that they're going to have to contend with
as well, especially on the defensive side of the football,
but should have a good team coming back. The schedule
does get harder, though.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
If Notre Dame makes the twenty twenty Slash twenty twenty
one college Football Playoff. Let's agree now to pool our
life savings to gamble against Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Deal.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Okay, good Wisconsin at eleven? Uh huh, I might wager yeah.
I think the Wisconsin defense should be pretty good, but
they're without Zach Bond and Chris Orr. I don't know,
no jtt. I think that's an off year for the
Badgers to me, but have not really fully gotten in
(36:01):
deep with the Badger of y. At Auburn at twelve,
adding Chad Morris I think is interesting. I'm not fully
sold on bow Nicks Iowa thirteen, USC fourteen no defensive
coordinator at the time of this recording. Oklahoma State fifteen
doing anything for you at Chuba Horbard coming back.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Cuba Hubbard coming back.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I like that, And they promote Casey Dunn, the receivers
coach from within, taking over at offensive coordinator after losing
Sean Gleeson to Rutgers Minnesota at sixteen. Ill like well.
They hire Mike Samford I think they're gonna be a
good team.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I think they're still gonna be pretty goods still gonna
be pretty good.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Inner Morgan back, Yeah, all right, all round it out Texas, Cincinnati, Tennessee,
Michigan at twenty. I guess it's Dylan McCaffrey, Joe Milton,
who knows a quarterback? Memphis new head coach. We'll see
A and M I.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Think is.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
I don't know if I feel good about a Top
twelve Hellen mand led offense, but happy to be surprised.
North Carolina ASU with an intriguing quarterback and a new
offensive coordinator. Call it twenty five tie, let's plant the flag.
Top fifteen. Cal Are you ready?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
I'm ready, baby, I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Okay, they lose Evan Weaver, which is damage because he
tackled everybody at twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
So Daniel, here is the deal. We have our three
winners in the college football Bullpool, OH Conference Pool. Keith
Richards eighty six held on, okay, held on to win.
Also let down look Ahead Sandwich, an entry that I
had spot shadowed when we did our analysis a couple
(37:41):
of weeks ago, eventually did jump up and look at this.
I love my Oregon Ducks one. Oh yeah, coming in
third place. Keith Richards actually tied for twenty fifth overall.
Like across however, many hundreds of thousands of millions of
entries on the esp dot com website, he actually fared
(38:02):
pretty well, so on.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
By two points seven hundred and sixty six to seven
sixty four. And then I Love my organ ducs one
was seven fifty so tight at the top.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
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Would we have fourteen hundred people or so that ended
up playing in our pool our biggest showing yet, We
really appreciate it. Hope you had as much fun as
we did. Wish I would have done a little bit better.
I finished with six hundred and eighteen point stand in
the seventieth percentile.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I went six forty four eighty fourth percentile, okay, edging
out the PA contingent.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
It's not the fantasy things, but you want something gradations.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Thank you very very much. This was god. I missed
I think my lowest four, which was pretty great, my one, two,
three and four pointers and I hit my number one.
But I did lose my number two, but then I
went on a nice run at the top, so it
would have been better if I guess Nevada had one
and uh SMU had one. So thanks for nothing, Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Well, among all the groups across all of ESPN, our
group finished number one eighteen, which ain't bad. Hey, good
job guys, and pretty much all those other groups are
way way smaller than ours.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
That qualifies for Wimbledon. I believe believe that there are
one hundred and twenty eight entrants in Wimbledon, so great.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
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you said, mister Rubenstein, We've got all sorts of fun
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the LSU Tigers and at Orgeron, Joe Burrow, the entire
Bayou Bengal family on a fantastic fifteen to oher season.
It was a true pleasure to watch it from this chair.
(40:31):
And that's pretty much all I got.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Congratulations to us three shows a week all season long,
dumb boat jokes, and both of our teams finished impressively,
and I think we'll be reasonably optimistic going into twenty
twenty about the Ducks and the Irish.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
I think we are. I think we are.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
That's all I have.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
On that note for that guy over there and my
good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hilton Brandt over
here in eastern Pennsylvania, thank you so much for hanging
with us, not just on this show, but really throughout
the course of the season. We will be back at
you next week. In the meantime, stay solid, peace,
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