Our Friend in the Desert: Sports Betting and College Football

Ty chats with Tim Murray from VSIN.com about the impact of sports betting on college football, the basic terminology for fans to know, the actual impact of "let down" and "look ahead" situations on Vegas point spreads, gambling superstitions, and picks for the College Football Playoff National Championship on Monday between Alabama and Georgia.

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joined by longtime friend of the podcast, Truly our friend
in the Desert who was part of our DC Live show,
but Tim Murray, I don't know if we've ever actually

(03:37):
had you on the podcast, have we?

Speaker 1 (03:39):
I don't think so. No, I mean, I walk around
the neighborhood listen to you guys laughing and you know,
grinding my teeth, shooting you text messages telling me to
be stronger when Dan comes at you with this Notre
d Aime nonsense. So no, it's great to be on man.
When you when you sent me the text, I was like, Yeah,
let's do it. It'd be a lot of fun. Surprised

(04:00):
Dan wouldn't beyond he couldn't deal with two subway a lumps.
Neither of us smart enough to get into Notre Dame.
We take it out in other.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Ways, just being crazy fans.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Absolutely well. The reason that we're bringing you on, among
other things, because of your affable personality. But you are
the co host for the Nightcap, which runs from ten
pm to one am Eastern Time on vsi N dot com,
the sports betting network. What exactly is that for people wondering.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, So Vison is a network that started about, I
want to say, almost four years ago, and it was
a couple shows and I really love the concept. When
it came out, it was a you know, a sports
gambling network and you know, obviously what has helped us.

(04:54):
It certainly helped us gain traction as a network. From
the jump was Brent Musburger. I mean, Brent has alway
always been kind of in the dark arts, so to speak,
of gambling, and he wanted to, you know, be a
part of something new.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
And his nephew is our CEO.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
And they came out here and they opened up a
studio in the South Point. If anyone's had been out
to Las Vegas, it is south of the Strip. It
is technically on the Strip, it's on Las Vegas Boulevard.
So that was rolling along and slowly but surely they were,
you know, growing and growing and growing as a network.
And fortunately, you know, back in August of twenty twenty,

(05:39):
you know, in the midst of the pandemic. You know,
I had previously been doing a sports gambling show for
NBC Sports. Because of the pandemic that had that had
soured up, and I was just kind of waiting in
the wings, and you know, long story short reached out
and they were interested. And I looked to my wife, thinking,

(06:01):
ty that no, there's no way, you know, it's not
going to happen, and she said, yeah, let's do it.
Let's try let's try something new. You know, our son
is our son's four at the time, he was three,
and you know, it's just it was just the right time.
So we gave it a whirl and it's been a
phenomenal opportunity. But yeah, but overall, you know, VSEN is
a network and you're seeing them pop up all over
the place and it's great. I mean, I love it.

(06:22):
You know, it's it's certainly the way the world is going.
You guys talk about gambling lines that have been doing
so for quite some time on this show, and I
just think nowadays it's becoming more and more you know, commonplace,
and you know, think about it was a couple of
years ago. I mean, there's so many instances, but it

(06:43):
leads to more intrigue on a game. And I got
to give a lot of credit obviously to you know,
someone like Scott Van Pelt. The Bad Beat segment that
he does each and every week has glorified sports gambling,
and I think in a positive light, it opens people's
eyes up. And now when you see that late touchdown,
so many people who aren't even gamblers say, hey, you know,

(07:05):
what did that mean to the line. So you know,
Visin is not a network where you can't listen if
you don't gamble. I think it's just a different way
to go about looking at the games and breaking down
the games. We still have on people like yourself and
Dan have come on my show and lots of great guests,
and you don't have to be a gambling expert to

(07:26):
listen to the network. So you know, that's the way
we're kind of going. But man, it's it's so much fun.
And you know, we've got a studio now in in
the Circa in downtown Las Vegas, which is just unbelievable,
so awesome. That is that is what we are. We're
aspiring to.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Become bigger and grander now.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
On YouTube TV, so you can see my ugly face
every night, which is which is horrifying. I don't know
why anyone horrify.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
We have Patreon for ballers who are seeing the video,
please do comment and let us know if Tim Murray's
face is horrifying. I beg to differ, but no, Look,
it's awesome to hear that everything's going so well. Having
the studio where you have the studio is freaking awesome.
I want to bring you on though, because you I
think reference sort of what's been bouncing around in my mind,

(08:11):
this whole notion like over the last five years, it's
really accelerated to the point where the whole sports gambling
topic is a lot less taboo than it used to be.
We talk about it from the standpoint of just giving
people context for what a game, what perhaps will happen

(08:31):
in a game. Nobody knows for sure, but it's I
think important information. Sports Center, right, does it a ton,
CBS does it a ton. All of the major sports
networks and media outlets have since come around to at
least using point spreads as some means of providing context,
And as you said, for some people, for a great
number of folks who are fans and bet and play

(08:55):
along at home, it does certainly make things more interesting,
sometimes in a negative way. I'm curious though, from your perspective. Right,
I know what it's done from the media standpoint, I
know what it's done from the fans standpoint. What does
it mean for actual college football, like the sport of
college football? Because I know there are a fair amount

(09:16):
of folks who listen to us who have emailed in
and have said, we get it. There's a lot of
money in this. It's becoming legal in more and more places,
but we think it's bad for college football. How do
you respond to something like that.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Well, I would say this, Look, I think.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
You know, there's a there's a documentary on Netflix right
now called Bad Sport. You know, nineteen ninety four, a
guard for Arizona State was point shaving. This is not
new sports. Gambling has been around for a long long time.
And personally, I think the more it becomes, you know,

(09:54):
part of our everyday almost like you said, it becomes
less taboo.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
And I think there's more education out there.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
You know, there's a lot of you know, people that
keep close eyes on the lines and you can't get away.
Now I want to say you can't get away with it,
because there's a way to get away with everything, right ty.
But there are companies out there that their job is
to look at, you know, the integrity of the game.

(10:23):
I've got a friend out here who runs a company
called US Integrity, and you know, conferences have paired up
with them, so if they see some funny business in
the line, you know, and that's exactly if you do.
Not have to give away a spoiler of a Netflix documentary,
but that's kind of what happened Ultimately they started to

(10:44):
see that, you know, tons and tons of money was
coming in on Arizona State on a Wednesday in February
and raises red flags. So I think the good news
is it's becoming more regulated. And look the Nevada Gaming Commission.
You know, people think you could just bet on anything.
It's not the case. I mean, they have very strict rules,
especially in Nevada and other states. Now once you get offshore,

(11:08):
it gets a little interesting. There's a lot more flexibility,
let's say. But you know here in Nevada, you've got
to be able to prove these things in a box score.
So you can't just you can't bet on free agency.
You can't bet on, you know, head coaches where they
will go because someone might know the answer to that.
You really can only bet on things that you know

(11:29):
have to be played out on a field or a court.
So I understand the worry. Look first and foremost before
working in sports gambling. I am a sports fan. I
am a college football fan. I am a as you
could see for those who watch, I am a Notre
Dame fan. Look, I just I will watch in sports.
But it's just a different way to go about looking

(11:52):
at it and and honestly, you know, for me, it's
a it's a way to.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Be competitive, tie, you know. I mean, look, you played,
whether you.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Played sports in high school, grade school. I was fortunate
enough to play in college. It's just a way for
me to kind of keep those competitive juices going. I'm
fortunate enough to get paid for what I do, so
I don't, you know, pay you bet more than I can,
you know, willing to lose. But look, if you're out there,
you want to put five bucks on a game, make
it a little more fun. I mean, look, we've been
doing this forever. Man, You've been making bets with your

(12:22):
buddies forever, and now you could just go to someone
who has it.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Regulated and get paid that way.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Well, and it's so different now. I mean we mentioned
Brent Musburger at the top, but Musburger used to do
this thing when he was calling games, and I think
everybody who was a college football fan, certainly on the
internet towards the latter stage of his career, was making
jokes about these subtle references that he would make to
the points spread. He would do it all the time.
So when he retired and took a full steer into

(12:51):
sports gambling. It came as no great surprise to anyone
who had followed Musburger over the years. Al Michaels had
done stuff like it as well, Like they've all drawn
red reference to it, and I think with varying degrees
of clarity with what they were talking about, because look
back in like the mid nineties, it wasn't as comfortable
a subject as I think it's become now in twenty

(13:14):
twenty two. Do you have any good Musburger stories now?
Like he was sort of the grandfather of this like
subtle movement bringing this more mainstream, and now that you're
working with him more closely, do we have any like
first hand accounts of where he's at, like his what
his beats are.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
I'll give you just kind of funny stories. So when
I came out here, his show when the network started,
his show was called My Guys in the Desert, and
he always referred to them right when he was on ABC, ESPN, CBS,
he would always say, my Guys in the Desert, you
know or you know that was important to sell him,
et cetera. So that was the name of his show,
and it was a rotation of odds Makers and Brent

(13:55):
and over the years and now Brenn is up there
in age. He's in his eighties. He's the voice of
the on the radio, which is incredible. He still is
very involved with the network. But you know, he wasn't
wanting to do an everyday show because he was the
voice of the Raiders and traveling around and so I
ended up. You know that my first role here at
Wiesen was be the co host of My Guys in

(14:17):
the Desert. So every week he would come on and
we would always chop it up and just have some fun.
I mean, he told some stories that were just remarkable
about Earl Woods. When the Tiger Woods documentary came out,
he was like he was my he was my drinking buddy.
You know, he's telling this story. I mean he knows everybody.
I mean, ty, you turn on anything anywhere and there

(14:39):
is Brent Musberg.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
He's called everything. He's called everything from the NBA to
Indy five hundred, I mean literally every sporting event.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
So once again to the US amateur. So you're watching
that Tiger Woods documentary, he comes on, We talk about that.
But the best part was I'm watching you know, Cars
two with my son.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
So my son is, you know, four, and we're.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Watching Cars two. Who is in the booth but Brent Mussburger.
I forget the name they gave him, whatever it is.
So I'm like, I got to bring this up to Brent.
So we're talking and I'm like, Brent, I'm watching Cars
too with my son, and there you are. I think
it was Brent Mustang Berger or something like that.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
Perfect, and he.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Goes, I tell you what, Tim, you know what the
best part is.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
The residual checks keep coming in and I'm like, amazing,
Like he just without deadpen so you know, I you know,
We've had a handful of interactions.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
He's unbelievable, you know. And I'll give you one last one.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
You know. It was in I want to say April.
So it was a sleepy time of year and we're
in the new studio in Circa. I'm doing the night
show and I look to my left and Brent Musburger
is standing outside the studio just looking in, like gazing
in as if he's a a fan.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
And I'm like, Brent, come on in, and he.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Just walks into the studio and says hello to me
and the co host of the time and walks out.
I was like, Brent Musburger just photo bombed or show bombed,
however you want to do it, just walked into my show.
So yeah, it's been surreal to think about, you know,
the legend that he is and the games that he's called,

(16:25):
and you I mean nowadays, I mean, you know.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Catholics First Convicts, he called that game.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
You know, he's everywhere, he has called everything, and you know,
it's pretty neat to think that I've at least had
some interactions with him.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Look, the reason I wanted to bring you on, not
to bury the lead here, is because so much of
I think the discourse out there right now about sports, gambling,
about college football. There's probably an nil component that we
could get into if we really wanted. But what's dawned
on me through the course of doing this podcast is,

(17:01):
despite the fact that we use this information and that
the media world uses this information to provide context, we
have people who write in all the time and say,
I appreciate that you're trying to give us this added information.
I don't know what it means, doesn't it doesn't make
sense to me. So let's start with one oh one. Okay,

(17:22):
the point spread. Right, the point spread is somebody in
Vegas with a set of power rankings, with the set
of numbers. They look at one team and they say,
we think they're gonna win by x. We think they're
going to win by seven points. To use the National
Championship as an example, the odds makers think that George
is gonna win by three points. All right, how do
those lines get made?

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Well, you said it. I mean it's a group of
power ratings and odds makers put out their rankings, and
I think you know one thing. And Chris Andrews is
the sportsbook director at the South Point in Las Vegas.
And you know I always love and you and I
text about it. I call them stinky lines, lines that
don't make sense. You know, the public's pounding one side,

(18:03):
maybe it's going the other way, or you know, whatever
it may be. And I'll give you know, a broad
example would be this, right, It would be an unranked
team as a favorite against a ranked team. And Chris
Andrews one night on the show goes tim, I don't
make the rankings. I make the ratings. And that's the
way they look at it. They don't care who's number ten.

(18:26):
They don't agree with the Associated Press. They agree with
their power rankings. Now those lines can move because they
have betters. Normally they call them respected betters, sharp betters.
You'll heal that terminology thrown around. Those are the types
of betters that can move lines. Look, you and I tie,
we know our stuff. We don't move lines.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
My twenty dollars is not moving the line.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
The public pounding one side usually doesn't move lines. You know,
they believe in their power ratings. But when people come
in that they respect, which they'll say, you know, we
had a respected better put, you know, lay two and
a half with Georgia. And I'll get to that terminology
in a moment. They'll move the line. So, you know,

(19:10):
the National Championship is really fascinating to me. And you know,
you look at that line at three, Georgia being a favorite,
and I deem it a bit stinky because we've seen
this game happen. Alabama won forty one to twenty four,
and yet Georgia is a favorite. The public is and
if you look at betting splits, they're readily available. Betting

(19:30):
splits means where is the public betting? What the what
is the percentage of tickets on one side, and the
public is going to be on Alabama and that and
and we'll see what happens with this line this weekend.
This weekend will be a heavily bet weekend, especially for
the National Championship. So the to to long winded answer

(19:50):
your question, it's a set of power ratings. They can
be adjusted based on respected money, and you'll see that.
You'll see line moves from time to ti. Actually you'll
see line moves a lot. You know, it happens all
the time. You know, a lot of the lines for
the National Championship opened under three and have actually moved
to three.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
So what's interesting is that respected money.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
And I had another odds maker in town tell me
early on that sharp money was coming in on Georgia.
Now that was all under three, not necessarily coming in
at three. So you know, and the basic terminology we
get into this. You know, I'll lay the points and
you guys say it on your show, But to lay
the points means I like the favorite, I will lay

(20:33):
the three. But if you like the underdog, you'll take
the points. It's a plus three, I will take those points.
So that's just kind of basic terminology when you hear
that thrown around you, What does that mean? I'll lay
the seven, I'll lay the fourteen. I'm betting the favorite.
So let's say, going back to the semifinals, if you

(20:54):
laid it with Georgia, you won. If you took it
with Michigan, you lost.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
You lost. Let's go to the National Championship. Though you
mentioned that it seems some of the quote unquote respected
better as the sharps were on Georgia, I've seen that
as well, with it being under three. I'm curious for
your opinion as to why. I'm sure it's something that
you will talk about if you haven't already. But as

(21:20):
you mentioned, forty one to twenty four in that first game, now,
it was close. A good number of minutes into that game,
Stetsnbnett made a few mistakes, one of which certainly came
up being very costly in the end. But there was
a good chunk of that game where it just felt
like the vaunted Georgia defense didn't really have an answer
for Bryce Young. And I think that's what I zeroed

(21:41):
in on. When I'm like the public, I am the
public right like we're I'm going with Alabama plus the
points I haven't seen anything. Maybe the John Metchi injury
is going to factor in. I don't know, but by
and large, I feel like Georgia still has not solved
that equation for Bryce Young, Why do you think folks
are going on Georgia.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
Well, I think it's an over I think it's the overreaction, right,
And this is a big thing. And I do this,
you know, during the regular season. One of my favorite
things to do is letdown spots. You know, what has
the public scene last, and let's go against that.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
So now hold on, let me stop you right there. Okay,
I want to pause because I think it's an important distinction,
and I did have this shot it down, by the way,
it's something I wanted to talk to you about. We
talk on our show about letdown games.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Right, So a letdown game would be let's say Notre
Dame's got a big matchup against USC. They're jazzed up,
they're fired up for that game. They play well, maybe
they don't play well, but the very next week they've
got a game against ball State or a team that. Look,
if you're playing at Notre Dame and you're looking at

(22:51):
ball State, you might not view that game as being
as quote unquote important. They're all important, but you're eighteen,
you're twenty two, you can have ball state, and you're thinking,
we care a lot more about USC that's where all
of our emotional energy is going. What you're referring to
is not that. What you're referring to is the public

(23:11):
saw a team like a bailor. Yeah, put in an
awesome effort, and now they're going to be all in
on Baylor despite the fact that their next game the
following week is something that shouldn't be overlooked. Did I
hit that one right?

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah? And let me give you Let me give you
an example. We go back to I think this was
early November and this was a great letdown spot. So
and what did the public see last? Right? So Purdue
they beat number three Michigan State forty to twenty nine.
David Bell goes bonkers, and the next week they were

(23:46):
a twenty point underdog to Ohio State. Now the public
might think, well, they're not going to beat them, but
I mean they just beat Michigan State. They're number three
in the country. Remind what Chris Andrews says, he makes
the ratings, not rankings, So that was a leftdown spot
for Purdue, and it was also kind of you could

(24:06):
correlate it together of what does the public scene last?
And that was Purdue winning big on a big stage
and it's the number three team in the country. Now
you're playing Ohio State. They're not a three touchdown underdog.
They got obliterated. So you know, that is something to
keep in mind. And I think similarly, Toy, you look
at the National semi final and I played Georgia minus

(24:29):
seven and a half because what had we seen last?
It was Iowa getting killed by Michigan. Michigan beating Ohio
State and the last memory of Georgia was them losing
by seventeen to Alabama. Is Georgia overrated? Who did they
really play? Are they that good? Well, at the end
of the day, they are, and they hammered Michigan. So

(24:51):
that was, you know, one of those to me, what
has the public scene last? Because the public was taking
the points and that was one of those kind of
red flags to me when you see a number at
seven and a half, just stay stand pat there. There's
a reason. You know the public is like, oh, I'm
getting candy seven and a half. That means they can

(25:13):
lose by a touchdown and I still win my bet.
Sometimes it's too good to be true. That's why I
say stinky, a little fishy. Something's off here. So let's
get to the National Championship and look, I am, as
Samuel L. Jackson said in Jurassic Park, I'm gonna be
holding onto my butt here because this is this is
not gonna be fun. Nick Saban as an underdog. I

(25:34):
believe it's six and one straight up since two thousand
and eight, so straight up meeting. He won those games outright,
and Kirby Starts never beaten Nick Saban and they already
killed him once.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
But that line to me is screaming, why is it three?
Why is it not moving?

Speaker 1 (25:52):
You know everybody out there is playing Alabama. And to
answer your question, why is the number three? Because odds
makers don't overreact? Do they don't overreact? What was the
line for the SEC Championship? It was six and a half.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yeah, six and a half.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
So that's a pretty that's a pretty big adjustment with
no significant injuries, no quarterback out, no anything like that.
I think that's where oddsmakers are and that's why you
saw some of that sharp money come in early when
it was under three and take Georgia.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
So we'll see if this line moves. I really don't
think it will.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
I think any anytime it dips to two and a
half ty, I think it's gonna be gobbled right back
up by the by the wise guys. And look for
those listening in. They don't always win. Wise guys lose.
Everybody loses. You know, in order to be a profitable
better you need to hit about fifty three percent of
your bets, so they lose a lot. So if you've

(26:49):
got an Alabama ticket right now, whether it be on
the money line or plus the three, I'm not telling
you that they're gonna lose. They very well could win
this game. It's Alabama, it's Nick Saban. I'm gonna be
on Georgia. But we are wrong a lot of the time.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
I am on Alabama. And you know, we put the
podcast out there on I guess Wednesday. We're recording this
on Thursday. And my thesis is outside of the Mechi injury,
which perhaps I did not give enough credence to enough
weight to Outside of that, I just don't know what's changed.

(27:27):
And if you're telling me that Nick Saban has a
chance to prepare. It's against a coach he's never lost to,
and he's getting points. That seems like it would be
a pretty profitable proposition. That's not to say that Georgia
can't get its act together, that Stetson Bennett can't play
a clean game without two picks, without three picks like
you had in twenty twenty, and that the defense can't

(27:50):
figure out some way to get more pressure on Bryce.
I don't think you're going to fully neutralize them, but
there's a lot that they can do, certainly to improve
upon the result from last time around. I'm just not
banking on it. And if you're giving me weeks, you know,
a week and a half to prepare, I'm going to
take Nick Saban pretty much every time.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
And that's you know, I didn't play Alabama.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
I actually played the under in the first semi final
with Cincinnati. I really thought that was going to be
the game plan, you know, as a Notre Dame fan,
we saw it last year, which was we're going to
get up, keep our opponent at arm's length and kind
of cruise on into the national championship.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
And that's what they did. They were able to run
the ball.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Now, they're not going to be able to run the
ball against Georgia, but they threw all over them in
that first you know meeting, and I think Georgia ultimately
the secondary does scare me. The fact that I'm betting
against the Heisman Trophy winner certainly scares me quite a bit.
Jamison Williams is going to be a you know, top ten,
top fifteen pick. All those things are terrifying. And it's

(28:53):
Nick Saban. It's not four weeks to prepare, which makes
me feel a little bit better. It's ten days. Not
to say that he won't be prepared, and not to
say that his army of analysts haven't been prepping for
Georgia for the past six weeks. I mean, we know
that that that's absolutely happening right now, you know. I
just I did a little digging and look, people are

(29:16):
going to have trends out there, tie and you know
they are what they are. But I went back and
I looked at when we've had Bowl rematches from the
regular season, who wins those games. The last seven times
we've had a Bowl rematch, the team that lost in
the regular season won the bowl game. And one of
those I think many people will remember very fondly LSU

(29:40):
beat Alabama in that you know, horrifying nine to six
overtime game and then blanked LSU in the national title.
Alabama did twenty one to nothing. You go back to
ninety six, Florida Florida State played in their classic rivalry.
Florida State won by three. Florida then won by thirty
two in the National Champiapionship. Now Dan's not here for

(30:02):
me to rub it in his face. This is not
This is not a fool proof system. Because what did
Utah do after they played Oregon? They kicked their ass again.
So it doesn't always work out. I'll give you one
more example that I think is worth bringing up here.
It was twenty seventeen, I believe all excuse me. Georgia

(30:23):
lost to Auburn in the regular season. Remember Auburn ran
all over them in the SEC championship. Georgia was a favorite.
The public was like, you're crazy, Auburn already beat him,
and they suffocated Auburn and won twenty eight to seven.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
That was the year Georgia went to the National championship.
That was the two A game.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Maybe twenty eighteen I can't remember what year was somewhere
in that range, so I just history slightly on my side.
But you know, once again, I have been the way
I've been betting my entire adult life has been the
stinky line fading the public. And I feel like that
is what this situation is screaming out to me, which

(31:03):
is why is Georgia three?

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Now?

Speaker 1 (31:06):
You could get into, you know, more conversations. You know,
books have liability in the futures market and blah blah blah.
But I think it's for me at a principle, I
gotta grab Georgia. I think these two teams are almost
mirror images. Obviously at the quarterback position, Alabama's got the advantage.
I they get running back. George's got the advantage. You know,

(31:28):
I'm really curious about George Pickens. You know, he hasn't
really done much yet. Are you a Simpsons fan?

Speaker 3 (31:35):
I not as much as Dan, But who is a
Simpsons fan?

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Right? There is a week there's a random episode, maybe
like three of your listeners will know what I'm talking about,
But there was an episode where there was like a
melee out on the Simpsons yard and there was one
guy standing in the corner and Homer goes, well, that
guy hasn't done anything yet, and they go back into
the house and he goes He's like ah, he goes
study nuts and Homer gets all disappointed. I feel like

(31:58):
that's metch. I feel like that George Pickens, Like, are
we going to get something from George Pickens here? We
know how incredible Rock Bowers is, So I just I'm
really excited about this game.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
I think it's gonna be a phenomenal game.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
I will have Georgia, but I just hope, you know,
we get another classic and go back to the year.
You guys talked about it this week, you know, and
Dan brought this up. Think about the quarterbacks. Zach Calzada
had success against Alabama, So it's not like I know,
in championship games tie it's been Deshaun Watson and Trevor

(32:33):
Lawrence those types of guys and Stetson Bennett isn't that.
But Zach Calzada had success against them this year, So
it's to think I think it's it's it's it's not
a vintage Georgia Alabama defense. Will Anderson's amazing. He'd be
a top five pick if he played this year. So
I think it's there's so many unique dynamics to this
game and I can't wait to watch it.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yeah, I'm very excited about it. I do want to
go back to something, though. So we're talking about the
Vegas Power ratings and Chris Andrews and the stinky lines
and those sorts of things, and I guess coupled with
the fact that so much of sports gambling now is
accessible and less taboo, and I think I agree with

(33:16):
you in large part that it does add to some
extent to the fan experience. Provides more information, It gives
another data point, something else to be mindful of if
you're a fan, or if you're betting money, or even
not betting money. It's just more information to make things interesting.
One of my earliest memories of points spreads, and I

(33:36):
didn't really get into this until I started doing the
podcast after college, after I was already in the workforce
a couple of years and had a few bucks here
or there that I could bet if I wanted. But
one of my earliest memories of the veguesst Power ratings
was going out to my car over my lunch break
on the mysterious day job and back in the day,

(33:58):
This is a true story. Back in the day, I
would a Colin Cowherd. This is before Colin Cowherd sort
of went into a caricature and when he was with
ESPN and no one really knew who he was, and
he would be pretty gung ho on calling these out
and to the extent where it almost was very cynical. Right,
We've got this big matchup between a David and a Goliath,

(34:20):
and everybody wants to root for the David, but Vegas
has the Goliath as like a thirty five point favorite.
Why haven't bother right? It always felt very cynical to me,
And you know, I've adapted, and obviously I know doing
this show that a big underdog can still win. It
doesn't happen as often, maybe as the public would like,
but still happens from time to time. I want to know,

(34:42):
from your perspective now, with such an intense focus on
the point spreads, being so you are so close to
the Vegas perspective of things, has it made you a
more cynical fan? Does it make you like college football
any less?

Speaker 1 (34:55):
No, it's probably made me like it more. I really,
I just I've expanded my horizons. I mean, I just
you know, growing up, you know, kind of near you
in the DC area. I went to college, uh in
the town that you live in right now. Shout out
in Neuhlenberg. Let's go mules. You know.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
I I've I've expanded.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
I like it more. I I like deep, you know,
deeper dives. I like these non top twenty five games.
So I know, you know, to me, it's it's made
it better. And that's just I mean, that's just me,
you know. And it's funny though, you know, I'll give
you an example of the David vs. Goliath and even
though you know, in twenty twelve, uh was was a

(35:37):
magical season for US Notre Dame fans, right, you know,
they somehow get to the national title. I remember I
was in the Poconos in Pennsylvania when Notre Dame beats USC.
I'm booking my flight to Miami that night. I get
down there and I hadn't really got into gambling a
ton yet. I remember texting with my buddy and now
I was like, what's the point spread? He's like, Alabama,

(35:59):
you know my and I'm like, oh my god. I'm
like I'm on the money line. Notre Dame is gonna
pull it off. And I'm sitting there and we got
we actually had great seats of the game unfortunately, and
I just look at Alabama and I look at Notre
Dame and I'm like, thank god, it didn't make that bet.
You know, it's like Vegas knows, man, And that's that's

(36:19):
the crazy thing is you know, you even think back
to the playoff with Cincinnati, and Cincinnati is to what
Dan was saying, and I said it on Twitter that night,
I'm like, Cincinnati belonged. Man. It's just, you know, there's
a separation factor when you continue to get these five stars.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
It's not their fault.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Like Sauce Gardner is going to be a first round pick,
Kobe Bryant's going to be a pro, Desmond Ritter is
going to be a pro, Jerome Ford's a pro. Like
they got dudes. Alabama's got more and they got the
best coach in the world, and they knew exactly what
they were gonna do. They didn't try to throw the
ball on an elite secondary. They were going to run

(36:58):
the ball. And there was a reason it was a
two touchdown spread. And we do this thing where we
try to talk ourselves into it, and ultimately without well,
I won't say without fail, but almost every time we
end up recognizing, oh, yeah, there is there's Goliath, and
very rarely does that rock sling and hit him in
the head and he falls down.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
The Notre Dame thing was so interesting, and it's another,
I think, element to the whole sports gambling bit, especially
now that it is more mainstream even than twenty twelve.
You know, let's be honest, it's come a long way
in a very short period of time. I remember being
in the lobby of the media hotel in twenty twelve
going into that week thinking that there is no chance

(37:41):
in hell Notre Dame could ever come anywhere close to
Alabama right now, There's no chance in hell. And we
spent the entire week interviewing media folks about that, and
everybody was very, very like minded, and through just the
normal course of the week, talking reporting, going through and
just talking about the same matchups over and over again.

(38:02):
By the end of the week, I would venture I
guess twenty five percent of the people that we interviewed
had talked themselves into Notre Dame plus the points over
the span, and nothing had changed. It was. They had
gone to media day, they had talked to coaches, they
had talked to each other over the course of time.
It was astounding to me and I was included in that.

(38:23):
By the end of that week, I was like, Ah,
Notre Dame plus ten, what are we talking about? Whatever
it was, it didn't matter. And I think I did
lose money on that, because, like you said, Vegas ultimately
does know. It's just amazing how despite the fact that
you've got all this information, in all these data points
that suggest yes, the point spread is accurate, Ultimately it's
an emotional decision. And so when we talk about things

(38:45):
like public betting, when we talk about letdowns and look
aheads and whatnot. I mean, so much of what we're
talking about in our show is emotional and from the
fans perspective and that sort of thing. Vegas just doesn't
respond to that in the way that the part emotion.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
No, they don't have emotion.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
I mean, look, they recognize certain things they know that
you know, teams after a big win, especially in college,
are are susceptible to a letdown spot. And I think,
and I'll say this, ty, I think we're they're not
all the way there. But the public's getting smarter.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
I mean they recognize these things.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
They're more resources now. There's way more resources now because
it's so mainstream and.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
And honestly, I think sports books like it. I mean,
you know, the the odds makers I've talked to, they
like when people come out to Vegas and they you know,
they go up to the counter and they know what
to do. They know to look at, you know, the
number of the game and bet that way instead of
can I have one hundred dollars on you know this game?
And then they have to look it up. You know,
I think people are becoming more educated, more, you know,

(39:47):
wiser a little bit. Look, there's always going to be
the square better, which is you know, just kind of
go with the public. But hey, I mean that's what
makes the world go round, differing opinions, and and the
beauty of betting on sports or just picking games. You know,
you don't even have to bet on them, but just
picking games like it's always a winner and a loser,
and if you're a good sport about it.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
I think that's the fun thing too.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Especially you know, what I've kind of tried to do
is you've got to be self deprecating. Too many people
take things way too seriously. Obviously in all forms of life.
We're talking about sports, and there's a right, you know,
it's not life and death. If I you know, if
I pick Georgia and Alabama wins by forty, I'll come
on the air and I'll say, well, I was an idiot.

(40:30):
What was I doing betting against Nick Saban? They already
won by seventeen Kirby starts never beat them.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
What kind of idiot would do that I did?

Speaker 1 (40:38):
So it's just, you know, it's that's kind of the
fun part of it, if you if you're able to
have a sense of humor, which obviously you guys do
and which is what makes you know, this podcast so fun.
So yeah, I think that's the that's the best part
about it. And like, anyone could pick games, but when
you put the spread on it, it makes it a little
more challenging. You know. It's you know, any one can

(41:00):
play Madden on the easiest level, but you know, pump
it up a little bit and see how you do
against the computer.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
That way, I met a pro better one time in
my life, and in that conversation, I seem to remember
the gentleman telling me that he had his own proprietary
formula where given win conditions and the particular golf course,
he could tell you within about three strokes what Phil
Nicholson was going to shoot anytime out there. That was

(41:29):
a pretty extreme example to me. And I don't know
if I fully bought it, but the guy had several houses,
So maybe I should have. Have you met these guys
or women like what?

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (41:41):
What makes them tick?

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yeah? I met a couple of them. They're out there.
I mean, I'll tell you this, man, I don't envy them.
They are grinding. It is hard to do to be profitable,
to have a living off of being a professional sports better.
And I'll say this, this would be my tip. The
the pro sports betters that you don't know, those are

(42:03):
some of the best because they don't want people to
know what they're betting. You know, there's a lot of
people out there that are selling picks.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Be very careful. That's that's what I would say.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
You know, we at VSEN we're you know, we're a network.
You know, we're we have differing opinions. We're not pick sellers,
you know, so just be careful. That would be you know,
my my word of advice the people selling picks out there.
I've heard this from multiple odds makers. They say, if
they're so profitable and so good at betting, they don't
need to sell picks. But yeah, I mean they got

(42:35):
their own power ratings. They're going to differ with the books.
They're going to be the first ones in line. You know.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
What's become really interesting is where I.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Work, Circus Sports, where our studio is, I should say
they set the market, which means they're the first lines
out there for college football and college football fans every
Sunday are really really intrigued at around two Eastern for
those lines to come out because you're like, what is
my team going to be this week? Even though you're

(43:06):
not going to bet it, you can only bet it
in Las Vegas. I think Circus in Iowa now too,
But it's just to see it. It's that reference point
of oh man, we're a six point underdog to so
and so. It's it's really become fascinating to me the
college football landscape and how much they've embraced that Sunday
reveal of what the point spreads are for the upcoming week.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Did you have a favorite team to bet on this
season because for me that team was Baylor. You know,
they were really good against the point spread, and in
a lot of cases that stemmed from the fact that
expectations at the beginning of the season are very low,
and so initially a couple weeks in Baylor upset Iowa State.
In Iowa State was, you know, preseason, one of the

(43:52):
teams to watch for, not contender per se, but certainly
in the Big twelve, a contender. I don't know about nationally,
but everybody knew about Iowa State. Iowa State clearly was
not all was cracked up to be by the time
the end of the season rolled around. But Baylor Iowa State.
I remember looking at some of the numbers that we
had access to and I said to Dan, I, you know,
maybe I'm crazy for this, but I really think that

(44:14):
Baylor is going to win this game. Baylor won the game.
From that point forward, I was in on bailor pretty
much every week, and it paid pretty good dividends. It's
not always the case, because eventually you get so into
a team, or the public gets so into a team
that Vegas catches on and then it starts to flip
in the other direction. But for me not to steal

(44:35):
your thunder and answer my own question, but Baylor was
probably that team.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah, I'll give you a couple examples. So early on
in the season, I remember one of my favorite plays
I wrote it up for our website was Washington. I
think they were a two point dog at Michigan, and
Washington had a lot of buzz preseason.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Then they lost Week.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
One to Montana. Yeah, yeah, so I was like, oh,
great spot. Public's me all over Michigan. You know this
is a great spot to bet Washington. I think you
bet Washington that game too. I think we were texting. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
It was horrifying. They were awful, and.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
I'm like, oh, they just suck. So sometimes you know
you're just wrong. A team that I was in on
and then I was kicking myself on my show and
Friend of the Pod. I loved Western Kentucky. I went
all in. I read the I knew about him. I'm like, Bailey,
Zappie's coming in, Zach Kittley, I'm like, this is great,

(45:31):
you know Stern's I'm like, they're gonna be great.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
And I remember, you know, I think it was week
three or four.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Indiana still kind of had that buzz from last year,
and they were a nine and a half point favored
against Western Kentucky and I just went all in on
Western Kentucky and as the.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Year went on, kept betting them, betting, I'm betting them.
But then we get to the Boca Ratona Bull.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
And everybody's in on Bailey Zappy and I don't know
if you had a buddy like this. I had one
of my best friends in college. He loved the chase.
He loved to chase the girl, and she was just
not give him any attention. And then he'd ultimately like
she'd give him the light of day. She's interested, and
he's like, now I'm good, you know he I was like, dude,
what's wrong? Like, you won the game, the girl is

(46:13):
interested in I.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Was like, yeah, But that's the that's the fun, that's
the fun part.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
You know. So we get to the Boca Ratone Bowl
and you would think a team that I have paid
attention to bet on all year gonna hammer him. This
is Bailey Zappi's final game. What did I do?

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Nothing? Didn't even bet the game.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
And they beat out of State handily.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Yeah, and they obliterate and the over comes home because
they're you know, the run and shoot, Like I just
felt like such a dope in that spot, uh to
to not to not you know, come through? And then
one final one you're kind of staying in that that
realm UTSA people kind of caught wind of them, right

(46:54):
and they what was the game? They beat UA B
at the Alamo Domes A great game, didn't cover, but
they got the win and they clinched the CUSA Division
to go to the conference championship where they would ultimately
beat Western Kentucky. And they were playing North Texas. North
Texas was five and six, started one and six, and

(47:16):
everybody and their mother was on UTSA. And I'm like, no, no, no,
this is a letdown spot, Like did you see the
emotion in that game? So sometimes you get off at
the right time, like UTSA had been this great story.
I remember UTSA. I bet them twice. Early on this year,
Illinois beat Nebraska. Following week, Illinois hosted UTSA, and you know,

(47:40):
college football fans knew. I'm like, UTSA brought back a lot.
They've got Harris, they've got the running back whose name
is escaping me Ceceer McCormick and I was like, UTSA
is live here, So I played them there, and then
a couple weeks later Memphis. Remember that crazy game Memphis
Mississippi State, like that, there was like a there was

(48:00):
a punt that shouldn't have been run back, there was
a bogus call. Whatever. The next week Memphis played the
road Runners, and I was like, back in on a
UTSA letdown spot for Memphis. So you know, it's sometimes
you get lucky you could jump off at the right time.
But yeah, So Western Kentucky was a team I loved
all year and then they got too cool for me,

(48:20):
and of course instead of just riding with them, I
felt like I was going to get burned. And they
obliterated Appalachian State.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Tim Murray post On Vsin a couple more for you here.
I need to bring this up because I know what
folks who actually know sports betting would think of this.
But I at least used to be, and to some
extent still am, very superstitious, to the extent where I

(48:49):
would try the reverse jinks almost every week on Notre Dame.
Now I stopped doing it this past greed, and hopefully
I have now convinced myself that it is not a factor.
Going eleven and one is still okay. And there were
many weeks where I actually put a money bet, like
five dollars bet on Notre Dame and it worked out.

(49:10):
It worked out just fine. Notre Dame was half decent
against the spread this year.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Nine in three ats Man card last seven pretty good.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Do you have any superstitions? Do you know anyone who
has superstitions? What do we do about this? What should
I like? How do I recover?

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Well? I mean I think you know, I'll give you
an example. You know, we're recording on Thursday last night,
Wednesday night. It's on my twitter feed. We're I am
a big believer. When you have a bet that you
just it's like a no hitter man, just don't.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Talk about talk about it.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah, don't talk. It's like it's like the you know,
going back to the Fiesta Bowl, right who was on
who was on the call? Bob was choosing. I think
he was like, uh.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Oh man, it was with choosing and Daniel Arlowsky.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Yeah, And Notre Dame's kicker has been been solid this year,
and he's like, oh, he's really good kicker. Sure enough
misses the field goal.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
I'm like, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (50:03):
Man?

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Come on, like, I mean, we've watched Jonathan Door I
to say, a really good kicker. Yeah, after the season's.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Sad, I'm like, uh, and I'm just sitting there. I'm like, yeah,
he's gonna miss, he's gonna miss, and uh, sure enough
he pushed it right. But so going back to last night,
I to your question, I am a big believer. It's
called mushing.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
You know, mush, don't mush to bet. It's basically jinxing.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
So it's Iowa State against Texas Tech in college basketball.
Our producer has Iowa State as a four and a
half point favorite. Iowa State gets fouled, trot down to
the free throw line. There's four seconds to go. It's
forty nine to forty four. They're winning and Sean's like, ah, Aaron,

(50:48):
you're good. And I just look at him and I go,
what did you just do? I was like, are you
kidding me? I was like, He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Iowa State's gonna make free throws. I go, I under
stand that it's gonna be seven. What do three pointers
give you? He's like, no, no, no, it's good. They

(51:09):
have got forty four points and they can't do it.
I'm like okay, and Sure is not sure enough. What happens? Yeah,
two free throws made Texas Tech brings the ball up,
pump fakes throws up a desperation shot banks in fifty
one forty seven. Our producer loses his bet. So yes,

(51:31):
I am very superstitious. Until I can have my ticket
cashed and it be done, I will not talk about it.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Is like a no hitter man.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Now.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
I will try to reverse jinks at all the time.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
I tried that for a decade.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Yeah, you know, I'll just make fun of myself, Like
if George is down like twenty one in the first quarter,
I'm gonna be tweeting up a storm, like what an idiot?
Why would I ever think that Georgia could win? Like,
come on, sweet baby, give me that reverse jinx. But
if they're of twenty one, you won't see a peep
from me. I will not be speaking of that whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
I would be curious to hear from Arvar Ballerhood what
types of superstitions you have when it comes to either
watching football or actually betting on football. Oh god, I
mean sure, there are plenty.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Craziest they're the craziest.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
Absolutely all right, Well, one final question here before I
let you go again. Tim Murray from the vs In
Sports Betting Network. You already mentioned at the top that
you're on Georgia minus three. You explain why. I wonder
if there are any other tips you have for us,
Being so you are so intimately familiar with all things

(52:39):
Vegas and point spreads and sports betting at this juncture,
any other bets that we should look for, be it
the over under, be it any kind of player props,
things of that nature. What else should our folks be
looking at now, with the benefit of the weekend in
front of them, in the game, not until Monday evening.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Well, I think overall, I would just say this.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
You know, it goes hand in hand with the Super
Bowl National Championship. Just because it's a big time game
doesn't mean you have to bet more on it. You know,
if you've got a good feel about you know, Northern
Illinois and Marshall will bet forty dollars on that game
in November. And then you know, if you don't have

(53:21):
a great feel on don't don't bet it. So, you know,
I don't have a necessarily tip. I do like Georgia.
It is a contrarian play. It's you know, kind of
a just just how I've always bet.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
But you know, go with what you think, you do
your homework. I mean, and you mentioned it, Ty.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
There's so many resources out there, so if you're interested,
you know their podcast obviously Vson, I would recommend you
watch us, listen to us. You can listen to us
for free twenty four hours. You'll listen to you guys.
I mean, it's all about taking information in and deciding
what to do with it.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
So that would be my advice.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
It's not overwhelming one way, or I don't have a
great feel in the total I would say if I do.
You know, we had a really good you know, sports
better on our show last night, is named Kenny White.
He said his power ratings have it at forty six,
so he has bet the under. I don't know if
I'll tail that. I am on Georgia and that might

(54:20):
be the only way I roll. But I do want
to say one final thing before we bid farewell, because
I am, like the listeners, a verbaler myself. Yeah, and
there was one of the craziest things and it made
me recognize the magnitude of the the baller hood, as
you would say. So two years ago, as we started

(54:42):
to become friends, you and I and Dan, we would
text back and forth. I was doing a show in DC,
my hometown, and my alma mater, New Alenberg was in
the I believe they were in the quarter finals of
the NCAA tournament for Division III football. So I texted
you guys on a Tuesday before preview show and I'm like,

(55:02):
you know, I'm like, you guys got to talk about
Muhlenberg Salisbury like the mules, Baby, We're gonna make it
to the final four, first time in school history. And
your Dan responded because I lived in Annapolis, Maryland, which
is about about a two hour drive to the Eastern
Shore where Salisbury University is located, and you were Dan said, Ah,

(55:24):
are you going to the game? I was like, no,
I'm not going. It's too cold. And I'm sitting there,
you know, it's a Wednesday or whatever. I'm at work
and these weird tweets just are firing into me on
Twitter and it's like, don't be it, don't be a
coward and afraid of seagulls. I'm like, what, like one
fired in and then another, and then we got gifts

(55:47):
coming in and I'm like showing my co hosts at
the time too, I'm like, what the hell is this?
Like did I say something on air? And I'm like
really trying to rack my mind, and finally I came
to the conclusion. I'm like, oh, that's son of a gun.
And I'm like, let me go listen to the solid
verbal this week. So I'm like I'm listening. You guys

(56:09):
are doing your normal thing, and I'm like, I bet
you they did this at the end. So I scan
all the way to the end, and sure enough, Dan,
that little conniving son of a you know what is like,
you know what? You need to tweet Tim and tell
him don't be afraid of seagulls.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Don't be Tim Murray Murray.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
And I'm like it just it blew my mind.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
And it's a credit to you guys and your listeners
the dedication, because look, I mean, I've done podcasts, I've
done shows, so people listen to the first thirty minutes,
We're good. It was at the very end of I
got an hour and fifteen minute show and you guys
were firing out. So the verballer hood is strong. And

(56:52):
I tip my cap to you guys, because you guys
made me very confused for a good chunk of time.
Point it was that was impressive.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
No, we have a great, a great verballerhood for sure,
and most of the people who listen to our show
overwhelming with the number of people who listened to our
show listen to the very end, which is awesome and
a testament to them, not necessarily us. So look, it's
been a pleasure having you. I can't believe it's the
first time we've had you on the show. We'll have
you on, I promise you again at some point the

(57:22):
very near future, certainly as we get into the off
season and start talking about things like projections and win
totals and things of that nature. Well, we'll be sure
to bring you back. Do we want to bet something
on the game? By the way, because we're on opposite sides.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Here, Oh sure, what do you want to do?

Speaker 3 (57:37):
We want to give it some thought. Maybe we should
throw that out to the verballer hood.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Yeah, leave it up to the verballerhood. I've already lost
a bet this year. I did a bet on my show.
It was a college football bet. And we have a
regular guest. His name is Darren Banks. He works at Circa.
He's kind of the owner's right hand man. But he
played in the NHL, so he comes on every Friday.
We have a fun time and I forget the game.

(58:01):
I bet the other side. And he wanted me to
wear a tuxedo.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
So if you look at my Twitter avatar, it's me
wearing a orange tuxedo because I was like, I'm not
gonna just go get a tuxedo. I'm gonna I'm gonna
do it up dumb and dumber style.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
So you know, leave it.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
Up to the verballers whatever they want. You know, I would,
by the way, I have Bindi Yaco's, so for all
those people who have heard that I prefer a different
hot dog place. A buddy of mine who is from
the Lehigh Valley, he is a big believer in pots.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Pots. We've had this discussion, right, We've talked about pots.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
So I don't know, I don't know what we need
to do. I would like something Lehigh Valley related, so
you could send me some of the finest cuisine, some
some Pirogi's or something like that. But by the way,
you know, I know we're in the midst of the
never ending pandemic that once, eventually we'll get out of.
But I mean, I'm show in Vegas. Sounds pretty cool

(59:01):
to me. I'm just saying you've.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Been after us, You've been trying to get us stadium swim.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Yeah you can. I mean, just just take a look
at some of those pictures.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
All right, all right, well, Tim Murray, it's always a
pleasure to text with you, to talk college football in
sports with you, and now to have you on the show.
We'll bring you back again sometime soon, one more time.
Where can the find folks find you?

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Yeah, ahead of Wison dot com. If you can listen
to us for free podcasts like like the Solid Verbal
you can listen to. If you're a night ol, you
can listen to me and Sean King. I mean, we
didn't even talk about my co host, who Letard Legend
revolutionized the quarterback position.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
He had over three thousand yards passing and five hundred
yards rushing in nineteen ninety eight playing for two lanes.
So he was kind of ahead of his time, man,
and he's great. We chop it up. We have a
lot of fun. We go back and forth, you know,
we go after each other like you and Dan do.
So if you're a night al in the verbalerhood, check

(01:00:01):
us out the iHeart app. You can download our own app.
So listen to the audio for free. You don't have
to look at my face. It's it's it's hideous souh.
But no, U and I told Dan. I told ty
folks that we need to figure out a way with
these giveaways. Let's get a two lane green wave Sean
King helmet giveaway going at.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
You mentioned that all right?

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Jotted down right now, Tye.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
I jotted it down. We'll make it happen. I make
it happen. Tim Murray, pleasure. We will talk to you soon.
Take care all right, T see you man.