SEC PREVIEW 2025: Contender Tiers, Predictions, Snakes in the Toilet & the Arch Manning Era | College Football Podcast - The Solid Verbal College Football

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the solid verbal hull. For me, I'm a man,
I'm forty.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
be happy.

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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Whoo whoom? And then and tie, Dan Rubinstein, I only
have one thing to say about today's episode, actually our
series of the next three episodes. Okay, it just means more,
my friend, Ah, it just means more, Just means more.

(00:35):
Today is part one of the three part SEC Preview.
Go back and listen to the other ones that we've
done if you want to get the feel for what
exactly we're doing here. But the first of our SEC
preview episodes today is going to be contender tears, big
picture storylines, interesting tidbits that we picked up along the way.
Then as we get into parts two and three, that's

(00:57):
when we get a little bit more in the weeds,
talk through specifically what we are interested in with regard
to position groups and tendencies and burning questions and all
that stuff with the sixteen teams in the SEC. Dan,
But as always, not to bury the lead. It is
a pleasure to be back with you, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
How are you? I'm great, Ty and you know, you
go through a bunch of these highly ranked teams and
the Big ten and the ACC and the Big twelve,
and yeah, they get their attention, Tie, they get our attention. Tie.
But there is something special about going to a conference
like the SEC and shining a light on the underdogs

(01:40):
who just can't seem to win a national championship.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Tie.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
It's been a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
It's been too long.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
You look at the SEC.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Been more than a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
When you look at some of these scrappy upstarts, Tye,
you tell me why not? Why not them? Tie? Why
not them?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
It is going to be a fascinating SEC season this year,
and I suspect we're gonna get into that over the
next hour or so. Thank you for tuning back into
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(02:18):
awesome suggestions on the show we did with Josh last episode.
Go back and listen to that one. Some of the
takes that Overballerhood sent in were truly remarkable. Kudos to
those of you out there who are listening. But yeah,
on today's episode, we were diving into the last power
conference during our previous season. We still have Notre Dame

(02:38):
and I guess Ukon to go. We'll get to that
in due course, but right now, let's focus on all
things SEC. Dan Rubinstein, please can't wait as you're going
through the SEC, as you're rifling through all these teams,
as you're trying to put them in any kind of
logical order, building your tiers. We have different tiers again
as we have the previous three conferences that we did.

(03:01):
What were the key themes that jumped out to you
at the SEC this year? Why is this conference so interesting?
Aside from the fact that it's interesting every year, But
what is different about twenty twenty five? To you?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
As I went through, I wrote down fast food callon
questionable Beef that there is a certain amount of variants
that we're going to get unforeseen variants. That was the
name of my band in high school, by the way,
because of so many teams having so many questions along

(03:33):
their offensive lines, if not lines of scrimmage plural and
it's turnover, it's portal, it's relying on portal, what we
believe to be a good offense may in fact be
a little bit of a stinker. What we believe might
be an offense that has a lot of questions might
find answers by week three, like really really solid answers.

(03:56):
And when you look at teams competing like Texas placing
beef upfront on defense, beef upfront on offense, Georgia, which
it's a lot of youth coming in, it seems on defense,
and replacing I think four out of five starters along
the offensive line. LS you replacing a bunch on the
offensive line. I just I can't wait to find out,

(04:17):
because there's just a lot of toss up programs that
have starting points that are far ahead of a lot
of teams in this country. But I think the variance
is super interesting with a lot of returning talented quarterback
but a lot of questions around those quarterbacks. And so
for that reason I wrote down fast food colon questionable Beef.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
The quarterback thing is really interesting to me because it's
not necessarily a situation where you've got quarterbacks coming out
of nowhere that you've never heard of before. We've heard
of most of these guys at some point or another.
We've talked about them as we cover recruiting or the
portal or you name it. Sure, these aren't unknown quantities
just from a name standpoint, but I counted nine of

(04:58):
the sixteen teams over half the conference. You look at
these programs and you say, yeah, if the quarterback kids,
it'll be great. Sure, but that's a big if, especially
against an SEC schedule, especially against some of these defensive
lines in the SEC, which seem to be maybe not
quite as questionable beef this year. Like, there are a

(05:19):
lot of really good lines that I'm excited about you
about here. The quarterback situation, to me is really really fascinating,
even like you could go all the way up to
ten teams in the SEC if you want it, if
you want to include a guy like an arch Manning, who,
let's be real, arch Manning is going to be the
prevailing storyline on maybe the best team in the conference.
We're going to talk a lot about arch Manning. He's

(05:41):
going to have an opportunity to make his mark right
out of the shoot Week one on the road against
Ohio State. It's not a given that arch Manning is
gonna be a Manning We feel pretty good that he's
not going to be a disaster. We feel pretty good
that he'll at least be pretty good. But like, what
if he isn't all world everything? And what if the

(06:02):
arch Manning experience doesn't go as many have assumed?

Speaker 1 (06:07):
So a weird thing regarding art specifically, because where else
could you feasibly start this preview? Yeah, is he's sort
of alone? Even among the teams that have quarterback questions,
like is this guy going to work out for this team?
In this offense? They've all played meaningful time in college football, right,

(06:27):
Tennessee has a new starting quarterback? Yes, Yeah, Texas A
and M goes into its first full season with Marcel
Reid as its starting quarterback, like Taylor Green is back,
Lenora Sellers is back. DJ Lagway had plenty of time
and starts last season, So even the teams were like,
is this guy going to work out as the full

(06:48):
time guy? Is there anybody else in this conference? Maybe
I'm missing him where it's like, yep, he's been waiting
his turn. Has played a little bit, and arch Manning
has played, but not on that sane level, not in
the same number. He has started a game or two.
I think, but in terms of the greenness of his career,

(07:09):
he is that rarity in college football where teams are
looking to do everything they can to avoid like, Okay,
he's a red shirt sophomore. He's sort of bited his time,
and he's going to come in. It's his turn.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Now.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
That's the rarity of arch Manning and the rarity of
Texas to situation and of his career path as a
five star who's waited a couple of years to be
that full time every week starter. So weird, right, Zach
Calzada has played meaningful games. Yeah, he's thirty seven years old.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, this is his seventh year playing quarterback right at
the college football ranks. Yeah, it's the quarterback angle within
the SEC is somewhat unique to me given where it's
been in previous seasons. So we'll talk through all of that.
My hunch is that it will have something of an

(07:57):
outsized impact on how we put our tier rankings together. Now,
if you go back and listen to some of the
other episodes we've done, Dan and I we do not
consult with one another one putting our tiers together. We
name them differently. We feel all sorts of different emotions.
As we group our teams accordingly, we will talk through
and try to put some logic behind why we've got

(08:19):
these teams ranked where over the next hour or so.
Here that's sort of the purpose of all this. But
along the way, yeah, we're going to uncover some of
these news stories, some of the interesting tidbits that we
think give the conference a little bit of flavor. Do
we want to start at the very top?

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Dam Yeah, I've since By the way, I've since changed
my tiers since locking them in about an hour ago.
I have five tiers instead of six. Continue, let's start
at the top.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I have a contender tier and X Factor Tier one
that I'm calling understandable Skepticism Tier, and then just I
group together at the bottom four teams that I just
said drive for six fighting to get to bowl eligibility.
I'm not sure all of them will, not sure any
of them will, but I didn't want to be too
mean with the bottom crust of the SEC.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
I think I've got apex predators, predators Taipan and the
toilet and any given week, and not a ton of
obvious bite.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Who are your apex predators? Then I'm assuming that's your contender.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Tire Alabama, Texas, Georgia in that specific order.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I also have Alabama, Texas Georgia.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Even though Texas may be the number one team in
America when all is said and done with regards to preseason.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Polls, I have two other teams of my contender tier. Okay,
I've got Texas A and M, and I've got LSU.
So I've got five in a contender ter, you've only
got three.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Yeah, they're a tier down in your mind.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
What separates the Bama, the Texas, the Georgia trio from
whoever you've got next up.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
It's a combination of coach, quarterback upside and defense. Okay,
and I think they're it's just a separation point after
those three teams. When you look at what's back for
Alabama's defense, the track record of Kaylin de Boorr and
the upside of what we believe to be Ty Simpson
with Ryan Grubb coming back with a really strong looking

(10:13):
receiving corps. When you look at what Texas has on
the back end, specifically at linebacker and secondary Sark winning
games being a playoff coach, obvious upside of arch Manning
Gunner Stockton, You're gonna have to sort of take Kirby
Smart's word for it. I think he's shown himself to
be fine. He would be the closest one to arch
Manning in terms of not starting a ton of games,

(10:35):
but obviously experience in big games. Has started a playoff
game and played in an SEC Championship game, and then
the development on Georgia's defense and Kirby Smart having been there,
I think there is a drop off when you start
talking about Lane Kiffin and Brian Kelly and Billy Napier
and Mike Elko and Hugh Freeze and Brent Venables, guys

(10:56):
like that, Josh Heipel, even though he's a playoff coach,
just what they're bringing back. That's where I might cutoff
is in terms of, like, these teams look like they're
just built different, like you Ty built built different.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
I like that, thank you. I will take that as
a compliment. I found the questions weren't as loud about
those three teams. You know. I love the upside of
Alabama's roster. I also have Alabama as sort of the
apex predator in this conference. I've got them one just
like you do. They've got more back than usual, which

(11:29):
I think is a bit of a rarity for an
Alabama team that's always loaded with talent, but you combine
some of that veteran presence now with Ryan Grubb joining
back up with Klein de Borr, I think with a
quarterback who probably fits the system better than Jalen Milroe
for his talented as he was, and clearly he's now
playing for the Seahawks in the NFL. I do think

(11:51):
Ty Simpson. I do think the other quarterbacks and the roster,
they will have options at quarterback, regardless of who it is,
whether it's Ty Simpson or somebody else. Right, I like
that quarterback room. I think this is the year that
we start to see it take a little bit more
of a Doborean feel. If I like even a word
thank you, I just made that up. But I like
what Alabama has coming back, and I just think the

(12:12):
upside of this roster was what I fell the most
in love with in looking through all these SEC teams.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Fair Enough, yeah, I think the lack of questions is
fair with Alabama, specifically with what they bring back and
having a lay of the land in the way that
Caylen Debor now has after year one being at times
as close and as times as far. Look at Vanderbilt,
look at Oklahoma that the best of Alabama without a
consistent passing attack last year and now hopefully having a

(12:44):
quarterback who has a year under his belt in practice
within the system. I think it's a major deal.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
The Texas question is really interesting, though, because there's a
lot of steam on Texas as you might expect, and
it's not all about I think a lot of it
comes from the defense, because the defense is going to
be dynamic, maybe the best defense in college football. Clearly,
what they do in the secondary is going to give
teams nightmares trying to game plan around it. Pete Kwakowski

(13:13):
has done a fabulous job the last couple of years
molding this defense into basically a brick wall.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
So when you've got that defense as a.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Starting point, you pretty much minimize most of the low end, right,
all of the disasters that could take place for a
bunch of these other teams that we're going to talk through,
those aren't even real possibilities for a Texas team that
has a ton of depth and also has an incredible
defense as a starting point. So that's like a full stop. Yeah,
my issue with Texas and is not arch Manning, and

(13:42):
really big questions around whether or not he's going to succeed.
Arch Manning is going to be good. I'm willing to
concede that point. But it is basically a new offensive line,
is it not?

Speaker 1 (13:54):
It is? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
What creeped me out a little bit was looking around
the SEC and back to what I said at the
top of the show, it feels to me like the
defensive lines in the SEC this year are just all beasts. Yes,
and that's usually the case, but for some reason it
hit different, and especially when you've got big teams like
Texas that have real questions on the offensive line what

(14:17):
that's going to look like. That was the reason. That
was the main thing that talked me down. Texas off
of that one line and I put Alabama there.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
Yeah, I mean it's Texas and in a lot of
ways lines of scrimmage too. It's not just the offensive line,
it's what they look like. I think in the middle
of the defensive line. You know, they're backed up by
a ton of talent and you're write about Peekwakowski and
the starting point for Texas. If it's the upside of
arch Manning and the upside of this defense. With transfers
up front, you're in an incredible place. Sure, that's just

(14:47):
a lot to ask when you also combine that with Okay,
who are the receivers that are going to be huge
contributors over the top. There are candidates, There are obvious candidates,
but proven candidates. You have to Andre Moore absolutely, the
best of Ryan Wingo, absolutely, But you're combining that with
a new quarterback and a new offensive line. Everything needs
to be in rhythm. The great thing for them, Steve

(15:10):
Sarkies is really good at this. He is Sarka is
really good at figuring out offense into how to fit
it to the available personnel, which is why they're absolutely
and obviously a top three to four team in the country. Minimum.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
I am very curious to see what happens with that
Texas line. Even if there are new pieces, we have
to assume base level competence. If you're starting for Texas,
they're still gonna be pretty.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Well well recruited, well developed. Yep.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, Otherwise there's no way that they're even playing for
this team. Okay, So I like the Texas team as
a whole. The line creeped me out a little bit.
The other thing that creeped me out a little bit
was something that you said in the last episode that
we did with Josh, and that was Sark's reputation, a
bit of a reputation at USC which was bringing in

(15:58):
a ton of talent but not all translating it into
Markie wins.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
I don't know why that was bouncing around in my
head when I put this together. It was something that
I was concerned about, like, is this another year where
they've got all this talent and again they're going to
struggle to beat a team like a Georgia or again
they're going to get into the playoff and they're gonna
find a way to lose a game that they should
And I mean, they could have lost to Arizona State,
they could have beaten Ohio State. They had a fourth

(16:24):
and goal situation that I won't reiterate from the Texas
fans out there. So, I mean, this is still a very,
very good, high level team. It's just there were a
couple key pieces of this that left me feeling a
little bit creeped out. The line thing is probably overblown
because Kyle Flood has the track record for building lines,
especially when you've got this kind of talent. So Texas people,

(16:45):
if you want to yell at me, I totally get it.
I understand it. But that was my logic when I
put them at number two. Let's talk though about Georgia,
because Georgia was the team that knocked off Texas twice
last season, ended up winning the whole damn Conference by
beating Texas for that second time. But then there was
the injury to Carson Beck Gunner Stockton becomes a starting

(17:06):
quarterback I guess second half of that SEC title game,
but for our purposes here. More notably in that quarterfinal
game that they lost against Notre Dame, where he was
very okay, had a key fumble.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
The offense just wasn't on the same page against me.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
And I think that was understandable, you know. So as
I look at Georgia this year, I say, this is
an offense that's loaded with high level talent. Clearly they
did some work in the transfer portal to boost the
receiver room, but I do have that obvious question out
there of who are the who are the stars? Who
are the constants that we can rely upon on this offense?

(17:43):
Right now? I like Nate Frasier, Oscar Delp very good,
Oscar Delp also very good. But of the receivers that
came in, many of whom I like, many of whom
are exciting in their own right, do we feel that
there is enough consistency there that we can hang our
hat on it?

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Oh, it's a question. And when the offensive line was
beat up last year, especially on the inside, the offense
looked different, Carson Beck looked more skittish. The receivers couldn't
make up for what Georgia was lacking on offense consistently enough.
The running game wasn't there consistently enough. And so it's
a reasonable question is where is the dependable pop from

(18:21):
this Georgia offense moving forward? And for entertainment's sake, I
hope we find out.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, but I did too absolutely. I mean we talked
to Bill Connolly from ESPN last year. I remember this vividly,
and we were trying to figure out what's going on
with the Georgia offense because it's different, it is not
the same Georgia offense, and Bill was pretty explicit about
it being the offensive line play. The offensive line, for

(18:47):
whatever reason, transformed into more of an issue than many expected.
You've got to have high level line play if you
want to win in the SEC. That's true in every
major conference. That's doubly true in the SEC again, because
there are these monster defensive lines. So Kirby Smart has
put together this identity in his time and Athens of

(19:10):
basically beating your brains in on the ground at a minimum,
playing a very physical brand of football. That has been
true for all the best versions of the Georgia Bulldogs
in his tenure. I got to see them get back
to that, and I'm not entirely convinced that they can.
That's part of the reason why I've got him at three.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, I just I wonder about the health of Georgia
as a national championship contender. I wonder about the weight
of years upon years of Georgia being the nation's apex
team and what that does to a culture, what that
does to a head coach. We've seen, like heavy is
the head that wears the crown, right, We've seen slippage

(19:50):
from all sorts of teams. Alabama maybe the the exception there.
I guess twenty nineteen was little down, but Tua was
hurt obviously, Dabbo and Clemson have dipped a little bit.
They see to be back in a pretty healthy place
to me, but we've seen it from these programs that
just make that leap and it's tough to maintain. I think,
what's my phrasing that I love a sick transit Gloria.

(20:11):
Gloria fades, So like, what does Georgia look like replacing
as much as they need to replace in terms of
full time contributors and playmakers on both sides of the ball.
And George is also in a unique position that like,
not a lot of these types of teams just lose
their starting quarterback to another school when you reach this level.
That's unique. Obviously, Carson Beck is his own dude and

(20:34):
was dating somebody at Miami, is from Florida, and everybody
has their own situations. It's unique. We don't see that
all the time, and so I just wonder about that.
But the thing I don't wonder about is Kirby Smart's
at his best, what his ability is. If you talk
about what Texas's ceiling has been, who knows the gulf
between four and one? Kirby Smart, who doesn't quite know

(20:56):
it yet or hasn't quite attained it, yet Steve sarkisian,
and so that to me is the difference that Kirby's
familiar with summiting that part of the mountain where sark
is still doing some calculus and trigonometry there.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
I mean, it's a huge coaching advantage to have Kirby smart.
Kirby Smart might be the best coach in college football,
and there are a bunch of good ones right now,
but Kirby's been there. To your point, he's scaled the
mountain before. I do think just having him on the
sidelines can paper over some of the other stuff that
maybe we're concerned about. So Georgia does not belong anywhere
lower than three, and I think relative to Alabama and Texas,

(21:33):
Georgia has a much more favorable schedule correct which if
it all comes together, if they jell on the line,
if they get sort of that higher level play. I
think that they were missing last year from the receiver room,
if Gunner stocked and Hits. I mean, I'm saying if
a bunch here, But if these things come to fruition,
and it's not a stretch to assume that they all
do with that schedule, suddenly it's a different conversation around Georgia.

(21:57):
I'm just not convinced that all of those ifs are
going to turn into something. And that's part of why
I've got on where I do.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Look basically every other team in this conference, and maybe
some of Texas and Alabama would swap rosters with Georgia
today hundred percent. Yeah, maybe you keep your own receivers, right,
maybe a couple of your own offensive linemen, but by
and large, when you look, especially look at the guys
on the defense that are develop a bowl, George is

(22:25):
in a great place.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Who do you have next up?

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Then?

Speaker 2 (22:28):
So this is where you draw the line. I have
two other ones in my contender tier in Texas A
and M and LSU. You say you've got them? Are
they in that order? The next rung down?

Speaker 1 (22:41):
No, my next team is LSU, and then after that
I have Ole. Miss.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Okay, let's stay with Texas A and M then for
a second, because they're next up on my list, and
then I get to LSU and we can sort of
talk through some of these other points of disagreement. I
like DA and M way more than I expected. And
when I started doing this, I've done this for all
the conferences that we talked through. On my little sheet,

(23:08):
I put together a tier ranking before I do any research,
take a screen grab of it, and then I see
what it looks like after I do all the research.
A and M was the team that I bumped up
the highest. Okay, I love this team. Okay, I do
think there are limitations, but they have an absolute ton back.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
They're gonna have a beast rushing attack.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
I jotted down that they're the Alabama of Ulms this year,
and what I mean by that is Ulm is gonna
run the ever loving crap out of the football. If
you imagine a ten times better version of that, that's
Texas A and M this year. I think the combination
of having a really deep backfield with a really good line,

(23:55):
with a quarterback who's had now a full year or
a full off season knowing that he's going to be
the guy, having an offensive coordinator, and Colin Klein, who
favors this style of quarterback, having a quarterback by it
in his own right was really good last season. There
are some limitations. He's got to shore up some elements
of his game, but I think offensively that is going

(24:17):
to be what they are very very good at and
then you factor in a guy like Casey Concepcion some
other guys that maybe can blow the lid off a defense,
like they can do some interesting things with this offense
that I don't think the average college football fan is
fully grasped yet. Sure, so I'm excited about the offense.
I do think it's going to be a very physical,

(24:38):
smash mouth brand of football. I think it'll be fun
to watch, and I think the defense is also going
to be really, really solid. So I look at this
team and I was going through the schedule and it's like,
I don't know, eight wins a year ago. I'm looking
at that game Week three at Notre Dame. Can you
get into a slugfest and maybe beat Notre Dame? I

(25:00):
don't think that's out of the question. Can you go
to LSU and play a slugfest brand of offense and
run the ball on a defense that maybe is improved
but is still not where they want it to be
convinced me that?

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Mm hmm?

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Could you play Texas in a rivalry game and have
something weird happen. I'm not making the case for twelve
and oh Dan, but I'm just saying I like this
team way more than I expected when I considered all
the factors, especially with how I think they're going to
play on offense.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Every thing you said is realistic and makes sense. My
counterpoint is they're Texas A and M and they go
eight and four. Okay, let's fine, find a new coach
eight and four. Find a new coach eight and four.
They do it in different ways. The road traveled, maybe
a little bit with filled with more gravel, a little

(25:56):
bit smoother ride, better quarterback play, worse quarterback gets scared
against UMass and app State, whatever. But that's the concern.
That's the concern that there is the weight of expectations
that this program, no matter who the coach is, that
they just have a lot of difficulty realizing now that

(26:17):
they're in a more difficult conference with everybody having very
clear and dangerous upside. For the most part, A and
M's starting point is still questions about the defense of consistency, second,
questions about more in.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
The secondary, because there were some issues on.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
The back and path rush.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yeah, definitely some defensive issues on the back end of
that that they need to improve. Well, they need the
transfers that are coming in to jail quickly if they
want to improve.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Also previously on Texas A and M football A close
loss to USC. Do you know how difficult it is
to lose to USC closely in twenty twenty four? Do
you understand how much the odds are stacked against you
losing close to USC and Lincoln Riley in twenty twenty four?
I like, like in a vacuum. There's a lot to
like about an M. You're right, they're gonna run the

(27:09):
ball a lot. There's a ton to like about them.
I have them in the second tier, but I can't
have them upper part of the second tier because I've just.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Been here before. So you are basing this on what
amounts to your own boulevard of broken dreams.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
If they were called East Texas State, I'd be like,
all right, guys, I could see ten and two.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Sure, So there's some baggage here, some emotional baggage.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
I am somebody who brings my baggage with me everywhere
I go. Yes, So I have A and M second
to last in this the right there tier, because last
year it did seem, in like early November, that they
were right there if they could take care of business.
But that was it. Was a home game against Texas
correct that they were like in weird, sneaky position to

(27:57):
get into that SEC championship. I remember about that.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, br A and M was like that team that
was lurking that nobody wanted to acknowledge publicly, had a
realistic shot for a moment in time.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, So that's I got to see it before.
I fully believe it with A and L. But I
absolutely believe they belong in that tier.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
LSU then LSU is I think a very very interesting
cases here. I mean, there is pressure on Brian Kelly.
That part goes without saying he knows there's pressure on
him to win. They went out, they got the nation's
top transfer hall. I do think the defense should be better.
The defense still was not fully up to snuff last season,

(28:41):
but it was still improved from where it had been
before Blake Baker got there, So there was I think
a marginal improvement on the defensive side of the ball.
They also had some injuries to contend with. My biggest
question with LSU and the reason that I was not
higher on LSU offensive line and running game. My fear

(29:02):
is that they end up being one dimensional and for
as fun as Garrett nus Meyer can be to watch
in that setting where it's just like, hey, Garrett, go
out there and throw it forty times and let's see
if we can win the game. He's good at that,
and he's a fun quarterback to watch. That's part of
why I think he's going to get drafted in top
fifteen in twenty twenty six draft. In order to be

(29:23):
a real contender for this thing, you can't be a
one trick pony. You just can't. They got to be
able to run the football a lot better than they
did last year. I like Cayden Durham. I think they
did a good job stocking up the running back room,
but they have to get better line play if they
want to win this thing, if they want to have
a realistic shot, because they cannot do it exclusively on
the arm of Garrett Usmeyer.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
I'm with you. I think there are things that need
to be fixed. I like the talent level. I like
how active they were in the portal. I like Brian Kelly.
He has a track record of winning a ton of games.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
As a person as a coach well.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Without saying goes without saying person terrific.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
An authentic southern accent too.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Does he still have that?

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I haven't heard it.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
It's unintelligible now it's so deep. He's like, yeah, continues.
They win a bunch of games, they develop quarterbacks. Obviously,
they waste a Heisman season a couple of years ago. Yes,
obviously there are playmakers out wide this year. There are
playmakers on defense this year. Do they have the singularly

(30:27):
most talented defensive player in the country and the conference?
There are conversations you know about Harold Perkins and his
usage and his upside is very clearly the best defensive
player in the country if he comes back healthy. So
there's a lot to like about where LSU stands. I
don't hate the schedule. I like the continuity at quarterback.
If Garrett Nustmyer can be a little bit cleaner and

(30:50):
just situationally, red zone stuff, third down stuff like that,
to me, I need to see. But I like how
aged la if that makes sense, I like how I
like that there's upper classmen in a lot of important places.
You got to see on the offensive line, questionable beef,
of course, But I don't know. I feel like I

(31:13):
know where pop is coming from on the offense. I
like the upgrades at receiver and the depth at receiver.
It's weird to say that we're now saying like annually, Well,
if ls you can figure out defense, then they might
have a real shot at something special. But that's kind
of it. Like they made a nice step forward. They
took a nice step forward last year, but they need

(31:34):
to do something incredibly. They either have to be scoring
four points to drive or be silencing everybody defensively. Something
has to happen incredibly for LSU to take that next step,
which is why they're not on that first tier. That
to me is going to be the difference because they've
had those receivers and haven't gotten to that place. They've

(31:55):
had the Heisman quarterback a couple of years ago, and
Jayden Daniels didn't get to that place. They need to
win the shootouts or just not get into the shootouts
in the first place. But I think there's enough obvious
pop from this offense. I like Cayden Durham as a
running back. It's the running game specifically, yep, that that
needs to be figured out. So and I think the

(32:17):
schedule's fine. I think it's spaced out enough. You get
the annual buy before Bama. Like, I think it's fine.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
The schedules really interesting because I think if you look
at this and just react to it again without doing
any of the research, you look at it and you say,
this is a murderer's row and it is not an
easy schedule.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
I am not.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Implying that they open on the road against Clemson, so
this is gonna be tough.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Doesn't affect their secir SEC stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
But on the whole, yeah, this is I mean, there
there are some interesting road spots here, not just at Clemson,
but they're at Ole Miss. They're at Vandy, which you know,
house of horrors for at least one of these teams
last year at Bama. They're at Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
These are not easy road games.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
But I think if you consider the context here, context
is really important. Mississippi a bunch of questions about Old Miss.
I know you like them. I like them too. Yeah,
maybe we can debate that next South Carolina, like South
Carolin Love, Leonora Sellers, Nick Harber, Dylan Stewart. Sure games
in Baton Rouge, Yeah, I'm not sure about anybody else. Okay,

(33:22):
on the road at Alabama, maybe a quarterback doesn't hit
you know, there are real questions about all these teams
on here, and as you said, it's kind of spased
out pretty well. I don't hate it. I mean they've
got the talent in place. That's the thing with LSU.
The talent is there. The talent is there. I think
it's a function of can they capitalize on it. If
you listen to the last episode we did, you know

(33:43):
that I've got LSU as kind of like a tweener team.
I think LSU could end up being that school that
we are debating come this moment, five months down the line,
we're arguing who belongs in the playoff. LSU I think
is going to be on the cusp of that conversation.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
And you, I mean, if you're having that conversation, whatever
happens in that Clemson game, you have to reward them
for scheduling it. And home and Home not a neutral site. Sure,
I believe Oklahoma gets Missoo the week before they get LSU,
and LSU I think has Western Kentucky. So there's a
couple of nice situational plays here for LSU. And think
about how much more you'd like so many of these

(34:24):
teams if they were starting. Garrett Nssmeyer. Not a perfect quarterback,
but like a good a great starting point.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, has NFL caliber talent.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Yeah for sure. So I'm in on LSU.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Who do you have after LSU?

Speaker 1 (34:39):
So?

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Now this is a tier down for you. You have your
Apex Predators, and you've got your next tier down underneath
your contenders. LSU is at the top of that tier.
Who's below LSU?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
I have ale missed a lot higher than you do here.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Okay, you got a miss Who else do you have
in this tier?

Speaker 1 (34:59):
So? So I've all missed right after LSU, and then
I have missoo, which is kind of a wild card
leap for me. Yeah, that's a big product of like
feeling good about some transfers, feeling good about the offensive
line coming together, feeling good about what their return on defense,
and buying in on Boprabula.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Okay, who else do you got then after Missou's or
anybody else in this tier? Uh?

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, this is a big tier for me. This is
a six team tier. So then it's Florida. Okay, a
lot to like about Florida. Schedule is brutal.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
We'll get into we'll get into all these teams. Just
tell me who.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Them are A and M is where I have them
right there after Florida. It's so low and low, and
then I have Auburn. Auburn, another team I just don't
trust enough. As much as a lot of signs about
that specific team are pointing to a good place, I
can't get their trust wise yet. So that's where I
come down.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
So the old miss conversation, let's have that now. Sure
my issue is this, okay, And you know me because
we've done the show forever. I tend to be attracted
to the shiny objects. And I really like Austin Simmons,
and I really like the schedule, and that stands for
something for sure. But there is a lot new here. Yeah,

(36:15):
this is why I have all missed down in the
tier that I called understandable skepticism. We'll try to focus
on your tier system and not jump around too much,
because otherwise it's going to get confusing as hell for
people who are at the GM or walking and trying
to figure out what's going on. So we'll we'll stick
with yours as our baseline here. But this is why
I have all miss or wrung down. I still think

(36:37):
they're going to be really good. I also think their
skill talent is really good. I think they will have
a very good receiver room, and I do like Austin
Simmons a lot. I am just genuinely concerned about bigger
picture of the losses that they've got on this team
because there is so much new, totally reasonable, and they're

(36:58):
coming off of a great sea that I'm sure they
feel could have been playoff worthy, should have been playoff worthy.
It obviously did not make it into that game or
into any of those playoff games, right, But that's where
I'm at, where I'm at with Old Miss because of
the turnover.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Okay, I think that's all reasonable. This has been a
program that has sort of lived in this zone and
has succeeded in this zone of a lot of I mean,
what Lane Keivin's portal king right that it's really difficult
to question Lane Kiffen with regard to quarterback development. I
think Austin Simmons baseball player and lefty tie yeah, oh yeah,

(37:37):
I can't believe you didn't start the show with Austin
Simmons lefty and baseball player. That just scratches me where
I at. Anyway, they should have an explosive offense. They
went hard after receiver. It's going to be a new
offensive line working in a lot of new parts up
front once again. The secondary, I believe, is all or
mostly portal. I get all of the concerns about so

(37:58):
much new all at the same time.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
I don't hate this schedule. Tie m h.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
It's kind of a mixed bag. But if you break
it down with like, how many obviously difficult games here
are on the road? Is there one just at Georgia? Two?
I mean they have Georgia and Oklahoma and back to
back weeks. I wouldn't say obviously with Oklahoma yet, I
got to see where that offense is, right, I need
to see what that Oklahoma offensive line looks like. So

(38:25):
just in terms of like where Ole Miss is today,
one obviously very difficult game on the road, while getting
Florida and LSU both at home. No Texas, Nobama. So
you missed two out of the three on my first
tier contending tier, I'd like, I mean, maybe I'm just
too what would the opposite be of haunted? I'm too

(38:47):
warmed and too enchanted with very good usage. Tie those
six passes I saw Austin Simmons throw against I believe Georgia.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
I am a wordsmife. You know this about it.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
That's true, absolutely true, Obey Tomatoes. Sure. So the other
thing I like and I don't like is ole miss
in the way that they lost last year to both
Florida and Kentucky. They didn't lose twenty to three. Those
were winnable moments, the Kentucky game and the Florida game.
They lost those games in unfortunate ways and unfortunate errors.

(39:20):
But to see how close they were last year, this
team could go in one of two different directions, and
I'm going to choose to be optimistic about the best
of what I've seen from a coaching staff that has
stayed together and a core of this team that I
just I think I like a lot. So I'm going
to all miss here.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Okay, I thought about this, and so do. I don't
really have any problems with that logic. I was just
spooked by the amount that I think is new.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
I hear you.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
But I also think Lane Kiffen's done a hell of
a job with this team, with this program, and he
has been one of the few schools that reliably has
hit in the transfer portal. It feels like every year.
There's a collection of guys that Kiffen brings over and
he gets the most out of them, and he makes
the team better. And you could count the number of
teams that are in that class on one hand, maybe

(40:09):
not just in the SEC, but around college football that
consistently are able to do that. So I give him
a ton of credit for it, and I do think
he deserves I don't know, at least the benefit of
the doubt to some extent with what he's going to
do this year. It's just there is so much that
is leaving.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah. Also, that LSU game was absolutely winnable for ole Miss.
Now again good and bad, good and bad. Yeah, this
is why I don't have them higher. And for me,
it's a straightforward argument. I get why you've got them
where you so what they look like in fifty to
fifty games puts you off a little bit.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Let's go to a different team.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Okay, No, I'm serious they did in those fifty moments.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, I'm laughing because you're it's like
you're in my head here.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Okay, I have m a zoo next.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
So here is the thing incredible schedule?

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yuh yeah, I mean, how do you discount that, right.
You can say that they are the ninth best team
but have the first best schedule. They have the best schedule, Like,
I don't know, you can't discount right about it.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I mean all this stuff is interrelated. Yeah, incredible schedule,
love it. Con back on defense, love it. I think
a lot of talent on the offensive side as well.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
The big question is how you feel about their new quarterback.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Run Bombshell Canning. I guess he is somebody. Bau Pribula also,
so my original point about everybody has substantial experience, Bo
Prabula does not have substantial exs. No, he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Bo Prabulah was in effect the running quarterback for Penn
State last year. I like bowl a lot bow won at.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
The high school level.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Bo came in and had true leadership qualities at the
college level. They just didn't use him to the full extent. Okay,
they used him as a bit of a change of pace,
sometimes annoyingly so, but he always was very, very good
in that role. Bau Prabula can run. I suspect we're
going to see some read option. I suspect we're going
to see some RPO stuff. I suspect they're going to

(42:15):
find ways to use Ba Prabula's skill set this year
on offense. I think that will be fun as hell
to watch. My question with Maszoo is if Bo has
to drop back and throw at thirty five times a game,
then what does that look like. We didn't see him
air it out a whole lot at Penn State. It
was mostly shorter underneath stuff, low risk type situations. This

(42:38):
is not to say he is a bad passer. This
is only to say we don't know how good of
a passer he can be. Agree, And so the upside
there I think remains to be seen. But the Mazoo
project as a whole, I think is flying very much
under the radar, and I think the schedule is just
going to amplify what their potential is here. They're over

(42:58):
under is seven and a half this year, which feels
really low to me, given the schedule and given what
I still think they have from a talent standpoint on hand.
So I'm I am bullish on Missoo. Remember my next
tier down was what I called X factors. Yeah, I've
got Maszoo squarely in that X factor tier.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
I understand the seven and a half number. I just
think somebody's going to have to completely outpunch where they're
anticipated to be in July August. And so if the
offensive line works out with the new guys, that means
they're running the hell out of the ball with a
Mott Hardy, Yeah, we had one of the best transfers

(43:38):
to come in. That's the other this conference. Also, speaking
of fast food, colon questionable beef to have a running
back named Hardy in my fast food conference, Yeah, it
works out really well. They don't have that obvious number
one dude like they had with Luther Burden, though I
don't even know if he led the team in receiving
last year, right, and that was more a product of
not really taking as many shots it seemed Rady Cook

(44:00):
didn't last year for whatever reason. But continuity with Kirby
Moron calling the game for the offense, I just think
schedule it's so great that if they're a B plus team,
they can threaten double digits.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
They can absolutely threaten double digits. And the shift on
offense I think is probably the most important thing. Like
how Perbula performs sure is going to stand for a
lot here, but how they shift the on They were
very past heavy last year, but short but short right,
And part of the reason for that was because they
lost a lot from the previous year and the running
game wasn't where it had been right in twenty twenty three.

(44:37):
But now this year I could see them shifting a
little bit more back in the direction of a run offense.
You've got a quarterback in Perbuela who can run a
lot of that readoption RPO stuff. I think they'll be
fun to watch, and I think the schedule gives them
a lot of upside. But again, I come back to
what I said.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
At the top. I like Bo.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
I've probably seen a lot more of Bo than most
of the people listening, so I tend to believe in him.
But it is another situation where it's a question of, Hey,
if the quarterback hits, we could have something here, but
if not, too many s a quarterback. Yeah, it's the
story of the SEC this year.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Yeah. And it's also by the way, I mean Brady
Cook had been beat up the past year or two,
we might be discounting just how good he was at
his best.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Oh, for totally, I completely.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Just sort of like has Stetson Bennett gotten better every
year since leaving Georgia. Maybe in the eyes of Georgia
fans in retrospect, he was, I mean, I think Georgia
fans loves Stets and Bennett. But yeah, that we're just
going to have a quarterback come in and approximate where
Brady Cook has been these past couple of seasons. That's
assuming a lot, and so that would be worrisome. Brady

(45:46):
Cook was really good, But yeah, I think the ceiling
of Bobrabula has them as a very competitive team.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
So your top three teams were Bama, Texas and Georgia
Space Space. Then we have l see you all, miss
A Missoo, who he just talked about. The next one
up on your list is the Florida Gators. Correct, you've
got Florida, I guess seventh in the SEC. I've got
him sixth. So we're simpatico at least with respect to

(46:14):
the Gators. The first thing that I'll call out, and
it jumps off the page at you because we've done
too many of these previews to not recognize stuff like this.
It's just amazing the tone shift, the tone shift that
takes place when you find your quarterback totally in Florida's case,
it may have altered the entire trajectory of the program

(46:38):
and Billy Napier's stay in Gainesville. Finding Dj Lagway feeling
like he's the dude, somebody you can build around, that's
all very very encouraging. Now I did see that he's
apparently nicked up with a quote lower leg injury.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Who among us times?

Speaker 2 (46:54):
I know, I watched a video from our friend Gator
David Gators breakdown. Who was He was not reporting this,
he was just reacting to more news that Okay, maybe
Dj Lagways banged up. It doesn't seem like it's going
to be any kind of serious thing. But of course
there were some like arm concerns, and now there's this,
and I think you would like a little bit more
certainty about health going into a new season, about your

(47:15):
store quarterback. But alas for sure, they have him, they
have a lot of confidence in him. He does need
to clean some stuff up. He is certainly not a
perfect product. As Bill Connelly said, the stuff that he
tended to miss on last year very common for a
true freshman. It wasn't like there was a glaring waitness.
He's got all the talent in the world. He just

(47:36):
needs a little bit more reps. The course of the
program feels like it's been altered. There's a lot back.
I'm really encouraged by what I see on both sides
of the line of scrimmage, both offensive and defensive line.
The schedule is its own conversation, but it definitely feels
to me like this is at least a better Floria

(47:56):
the team than we've seen in the last two years.
It feels like they're ending in a good direction separate
from the schedule. And if you are a believer in
DJ lagway, and if you're a believer in this defense,
then perhaps there is a little bit more upward mobility
for Florida than maybe we would assume here what we're
recording this at the end of July.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Yeah, there are thin spots on this Florida team, maybe
the inside of their defensive line, a couple questions along
the offensive line, but buy and large in a good
place up front. I think they're gonna be good at
running back. I think there's a lot of upside at receiver,
especially when you look at the youth.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah. I like how you say the youth, This is
how you know you're in your forties continue.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
We'll see on health in the secondary, but there's absolute
upside there. Linebackers should be very good. I think they've
answered a lot of questions. I think Billy Napier has
steadied this ship well enough. That said, I feel good
about Florida in a vacuum, but inside that vacuum does
not exist. The following schedule at LSU and at Miami

(49:00):
back to back. In September, Texas and at Texas A
and m back to back. I know Georgia obviously in
Jacksonville at ole Miss and Tennessee back to back. So sorry,
there's an at Kentucky app between George and ole Miss
and then Florida State, who is legitimately threatening to win
more than two games this season. There's just a lot

(49:21):
of meat on that schedule bone and that has me
a little if I'm going to say, like, I like
ole Miss because there's only one obviously threatening game away
from home. Yeah, I use that terminology because George is
not technically a road game, but it's not as comfortable
as playing in the swamp. So I think Florida is
really good. I think the upside of Florida is pretty great.

(49:42):
They were an explosive passing team last year a year
ahead of schedule. To me, I'm in on Florida taking
the next step a lot of the time. But is
that the difference between nine and three and eight four,
ten and two and eight and four, ten and two
and nine and three. That's the big question to me
when you have whatever you think Florida State is fine,

(50:03):
Florida State and Miami occupying spots on this schedule, I
mean the rival ahead or not ahead, but book ending, Yeah,
an sec schedule, it's just a lot.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
It's absolutely a lot. If you gave Missouri's schedule to Florida,
how many games would they win?

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Oh, they're ten and two, eleven and one type team.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
If you give then a second look to the over
under which Vegas has said at seven and a half
for Florida, it totally makes sense. I think it's scheduled dependent.
I think this is a much better team. I think
there's a lot to be excited about they They definitely
got better with some of the new faces that are
coming in that we can probably go through on one
of our next two episodes, and we talk a little

(50:40):
bit more detail here about Florida. I like this team
a lot. I just think the schedule stands in the way. Now.
If they go, you know, and take a quantum leap forward,
then then suddenly it changes the whole conversation in the SEC.
It's not just a Florida thing. Then it's suddenly we're
kind of nuking these tiers all together and starting over.
But that's where I'm at with Florida. I tend to

(51:02):
agree with you with where you have them. You've got
them seven again, I have them six. We talked about
A and M. They are next up for you. I've
circled them along with Old Miss. Those seem to be
two teams that we have a pretty big disagreement on.
Talk me through the Auburn selection next, though, because Auburn's
another one that I've got. I've got them fifth from

(51:24):
the bottom in the SEC. And it's not because I
disliked the team. Again, this tier for me was one
that I called skepticism. Sure and all I jotted down,
next to Auburn, how high are we on Jackson Arnold?
How high should we be on Jackson Arnold? Because Auburn

(51:44):
went out there, they also did a ton of work
in the portal. It's clear they have skill talent, but
I feel like so much of this comes down to
Jackson Arnold and how well he does or doesn't perform.
Another situation where you're looking at the quarterback with a
big gold capital.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
If Jackson Arnold at his best is very talented and
capable of big things, Jackson Arnold spent too much of
his time at Oklahoma in a bad situation offensive line wise,
receiver health wise, and became mistake prone, tried to force
a little bit too much, or was just running for
his life, and that forced mistake.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
By the way, was a better runner in some of
those games that I think a lot of people expect,
like the Bama games. One that comes to mind. I
was looking through some old clips like he was. They
ran him a lot in that win.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
I think you need to believe in Auburn as a
safe haven for Jackson Arnold, that this is a comfortable
landing spot because of the system, because the talent around
him the help that his own defense should be able
to give Jackson Arnold and his pursuits on offense, That
that would be the reason you feel good about Auburn
moving forward. Because the obvious talent at receiver is higher

(52:57):
end right now at Auburn than it was at Oklahoma. Yeah,
the offensive line is definitely healthier, definitely has a much
higher floor. I don't know if I love some of them.
I think they brought in a USC right tackle who
maybe I'm confusing him with somebody else. I don't think
he was a strong point for this USC offensive line
last year.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
And Mason Murphy.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Mason Murphy, Yeah, he was not. The USC offensive line
improved last year for sure, but I don't think he
was an anchor of that improvement. Jarquez Hunter gone, So
we'll see where they get pop in the backfield. I
think they will. I think this offense will be fine.
They lost a lot of games in stupid ways that
if they can just flip most of the way that
they finish games or don't finish games, they should be fine.

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I think the defense is in a relatively good place
in terms of the guys coming in and the guys
that are back, so I think they're on solid ground.
I just to me, it is a fifty to fifty
games plus a quarterback who needs to sort of shed
his wild card skin to keep my snake analogies going

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that have me bottom of the second tier but squarely
in that second tier of like could make a serious move.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
I'm worried that the end of the season broke Jackson
Arnold last year at Oklahomaka, and sometimes a change of
scenery can help with that.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
But I agree we weren't the only.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Ones talking about it, Dan. There are a lot of
people talking like this guy done. You know, does he
have the yips that he can't get over at this
point because it just seemed like it all fell apart
for him. But I think you're one hundred percent right
on the Auburn side. What's interesting when you look at
this team, there was a lot of production last year.
This wasn't necessarily a bad team. They just had a

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lot of difficulty converting that into something, especially in the
red zone where they were one of the worst teams
in the country.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Offles, just backbreaking mistakes.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Yeah, so there are pieces there that I think you
can look at in retrospect and feel good about. It's
just a matter of how do you then what is it?
From a culture standpoint, a scheme standpoint, a personnel standpoint.
It's never one right answer, but there is some missing
ingredient that they need to add to this Auburn stew

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in twenty twenty five. That can get them over that hump.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
And by the way, if you think the end of
last year broke Jackson Arnold and maybe he's been rebuilt,
Maybe he's the six million dollar man. Sure the construction
has to be complete because the beginning the first half
of their schedule this year for Auburn it's at Baylor
on a Friday night, skip a couple weeks at Oklahoma
and at A and M and back to back weeks,
a bye before playing Georgia and then Miszoo in back

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to back weeks. Albeit both of those are at home
in a difficult environment. Of course, they do have the
Iron Bowl at home. They have a revenge spot at
Vanderbilt because that's a thing now in twenty twenty five,
to get revenge on Vanderbilt for beating them in twenty
twenty four. They need to be buttoned up and ready,
or else the season could get out of hand quickly.

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And if Jacksonarl isn't the answer, I think it's Ashton
Daniels who came in from Stanford. I just they need
to be ready immediately or else the year could go sideways.
That's all I think.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
It's eventually going to be deuced night. But that's just
me personally, Okay, vamping a little bit here.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Well eventually this year, next year or whatever.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Yeah, yeah, I like doucenight a lot.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Okay, all right, late flip freshman incoming freshman.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Yeah, what's your next tier down?

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Then my next tier down after Auburn concludes the right
there tier is the taipan in the toilet. It's an
indigenous snake to Australia, very venomous. I've got Oklahoma, Tennessee,
South Carolina and Oklahoma and Tennessee are on the strength
of their defenses. Oklahoma seems like they have more offensive
upside in the moment if everything works out with John

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Myttier and was it Ben Rbuckle the offensive coordinator. And
South Carolina just has the single scariest thrower runner, playmaker,
take your pick in terms of a known quantity at quarterback,
even though it's just kind of him and Dylan Stewart
in this moment. In terms of like obviously threatening all
the time. Yeah, I had to cart them in that

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tick harbor. But no, he's not obviously threatening at all times.
Well no, No, he's throwing like a two catches for
eighteen yards game. Yes, the upside of Nick Harber obviously
is tantalizing the receiver who has legit track speed, But
it's an overhaul. It's a complete overhaul, and Shane Biemer
has not proven it year in and year out. I really

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enjoyed the best of what South Carolina has been recently.
But that's why they're in that third tier that they
lose so many of those guys and have not proven
an ability to keep it up consistently.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
The Oklahoma So I had Oklahoma one rung up, I
have them six in the SEC. You're a little bit
lower on him, but we're around the same m HM.
Brutal schedule. Yes, a lot of steam on the two
punch of John Mattier Ben r Buckle coming down from Wazoo.
John Mattier played a Mountain West schedule last year.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Yuess he did.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
A Mault West schedule. I think he is tantalizing. I
think the best of him is really exciting. I don't
know what kind of a pastor John Attire is like.
I've seen clips and I like Ben ar Buckle. I
think it'll be fine. I think he's better than what
they had I don't think this is a certainty that
it's gonna work. You know, people have John Matier on
their Heisman short lists and things of that nature. There's

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no question that Oklahoma got better via the portal. Brent Vambles, Yeah,
Brand Vannibles understood the assignment. I am. I am less
willing than I expected to just take it at face
value that, oh, John Matier is gonna hit John Metier
is going to be outstanding. I don't know if we
can say that. Dan. I think the best of him
is really exciting. I think they can run with him,

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and he is a very very good runner with the football,
an exciting player. I worry a little bit about hero
ball with him. Okay, and the bigger picture for Oklahoma
is they need to hit on a lot of transfers
and a lot of new faces in order for this
thing to work. The main reason actually that I have

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Oklahoma in this X factor tier for me personally is
because of the schedule. And it's not because I think
they're necessarily gonna do wonders against it. But they have
so much AMO on this thing that if they pull
an upset, if they pull two upsets, suddenly it changes
the whole narrative in the conference. So I'm not necessarily
looking at Oklahoma as some people have them as like

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a playoff contender. I want whatever drugs you've got. If
you've got them as a playoff contender, I don't see
that at all. I'm not rooty against it. But come on,
let's be honest about this thing for a second. The
reason I've got them here is because just their proximity
to a bunch of teams that I think are going
to be hovering near the top, they pull an upset
or two suddenly, it kind of makes the whole thing

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more interesting. And truly they would have an X factor
label at that point in time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Yeah, they just they have a September with Auburn and
Michigan both at home. They should be favored in both
of those games. Is that reasonable? I think it's reasonable,
say you favored at home against those teams?

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
I yeah, I guess Texas and Dallas for Red River
at South Carolina, Ole Miss at Tennessee a bye week
before they traveled to Bama. Missoo lsu Come on, good,
this is it's ridiculous. This is coming at them in
all directions.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Ty. You go from a Mountain West schedule to that,
and that's fine, and it's not his fault, right, it's
not his fault. All he can do is the best
with the guys around him and the opponent in front
of him. So I'm sure you know you can't blame.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Johna I'll take I'd rather take the Mountain West schedule
than what Iowa has with Mark Gronowski with And that's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
This is fair. Listen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
I get you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
I hear that one thousand percent. But I'm just like
the people that are assuming that John Matier is just
going to be a guaranteed lock to be, you know,
all conference caliber quarterback, Like everybody chill for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Here I go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
But how good? We don't know?

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Well, you have to understand the scar tissue. Oklahoma fans
have recent quarterback play, So forgive them for being high
on a clearly good quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Yeah, and I look, I like this problem. I'm not
rooting against this, but this is this is a tough
spot for Venus and the schedule is not doing them
any favors.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
But listen, we said this about Florida last year. How
is Billy Napier going to make it to Week three?
And now we feel really good about Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
We were talking about him getting fired after the UCF
game a year ago. Yes, but finding a quarterback tends
to alter your trajectory in.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
A real Oklahoma may have found a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
We'll see, we'll see. All right, we got them here,
so we got Oklahoma, you got Tennessee next.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I don't think there is any way around the fact
that Tennessee's gonna be a little bit worse this year.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
And that's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
Yeah, and it is okay. The defense should still be solid.
I think the offense has just so much new that
they're they're obviously going to have to take a step back.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Joey Aguilar.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
They pull off the trade, Nico Iamaliava transfers out to UCLA.
Agalar had transferred to UCLA from app State. Now he
is going to Tennessee. He's interesting. He's a middle class
Garrett Nusmeyer is what he is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
By the way, are you going to be doing the
whole like he's the Xavier McDaniel if Scottie Pippens all
year long? Is that a new tie signature move? No,
that's not what I'm doing here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
I know you're not doing it here, but I'm curious.
It's not a signature move yet. If I get better
at it, maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
It's good for the NBA. It's well, I think you
have potential with it with college continued. I won't overdo it, Okay,
I know that's my tendency. I'm self aware.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Yeah, but the reason that I compare him to nuss
Meer is because there is that hero ball mentality going
to try and force it into a window, potential for turnovers,
also potential for a lot of upside. I don't think
this is a horrible system for him, and I think
he will be very, very productive, But I do think
there's a mistake prone quality to his game, and I

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do think that there is enough new across the board that,
as I mean, Josh said it on our show yesterday
or on Sunday, it seems like a pretty obvious step
back for Tennessee this year. And that's fine, that's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Yeah, and it's there's still a good amount to like
about Tennessee even if they're not going to be a
playoff team this year. The amount that they return from
an excellent DEFENSEMI said, not on this schedule. Okay, they
return enough to make you feel really good about their defense.
There's enough back on offense and an enough coming in

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on offense. I like the receivers enough to make me
think that they can win games twenty to seventeen rather
than seventeen thirteen or thirteen ten. That there is enough
here that makes me think they can smother a bunch
of teams if they can finish close games. So this

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was always going to be sort of a like bridge year.
The schedule they do have Georgia, They're at Bama, they
open with Syracuse, They're at Kentucky and Oklahoma right after
the Bama game. Yeah, I think they finish at Florida
and Vandy. Schedule is not amazing, It's not terrible, but
I wish they had somebody who wasn't there, like eleventh

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choice in April starting at Court. I know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
I think they made the most of it, though, And
as we talked about on the previous episode, there is
seemingly a big sense of pride within the Tennessee fandom
that they would draw a hard line in the sand
and not cave to whatever Niko's demands. Where I still
don't know what exactly they were, but they are where

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they are now. Agilar is not a bad quarterback. He
is not a bad quarterback. Bunny Stretch. I do think
disappointed a little bit last season, But at the end
of the day, you get a guy who is not
afraid to throw it, somebody who I think fits the
system reasonably well, and the defense will remain solid. They
don't have James Pearce anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Like they they do lose no, but they play a
ton of guys on defense.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
They do lose some key pieces on that defense, which
should not be overlooked, but they'll still be really solid
there and I think they'll be led by their defense. Yeah.
Then that brings us to the I guess last team
in this rung for you, this for me, Yeah, which
is South Carolina. The three big names are Leonoras Sellers,
Nick Harbor, and Dylan Stewart. Okay, those three guys are

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super exciting, have an incredible amount of talent, and I
think do a great job distracting from the fact that
this team lost a ton on defense. And it's a
brutal schedule. Yes, they've got six of their last seven
games potentially against top fifteen caliber teams. So exciting at

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the top, some real pro prospects that are worth talking
about that we're going to cover throughout the course of
the season. I'm not sure about the rest of the
team right and that's the issue for me, Like the
offensive line has been an issue for South Carolina for
I don't know the less five years running, will now yep?

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Are they going to get better? There? Is this going
to be Leonora's Sellers being Leonoroius the creator again just
do what you can do? Or is there going to
be more of a supporting cast here that I don't
Can we finally realize Nick Harber as this exciting prospect
track speed, incredible physical tools. Are they going to find

(01:06:52):
a way to utilize that. I don't know what's the
defense going to look like beyond Dylan Stewart. I'm a
little bit unconvinced.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
I think there was there's a bunch returning in the
secondary with experience anyway, maybe not star power, but experience.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
I think on the whole, better on offense, worse on defense.
I have questions about the depth.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
You think they're gonna better on offense this year? I
think because of Lenora Sello's experience.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Okay, I think a little bit better on offense, but
Wanders lost a ton on defense and a brutal schedule.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Yeah, so I'm skeptical. Yeah, a schedule man opening with
neutral site game against Virginia Tech, getting Vandy and at Miszoo.
And I'd say, which about Vandy, I think they're gonna
be dangerous, specially early on in the year. And then
to finish off with a back half that includes at LSU, Oklahoma, Bama,
at Ole Miss inconsecutive weeks, and then A and M

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on the road and Clemson to finish with Coastal Carolina between.
It's just a big ask. It's a big ask for
a team looking to go nine to three, ten to
two to build on last year. Let's bring this thing home.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
So just to reiterate, now, your your first year is
the Apex Predators, Bama, Tech, Georgia. What was the second
one called? Again? Right there? Right there, You've got LSU,
Ole Miss, Missoo, Florida, A and M and Auburn. Correct,
what was this next one?

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
The tie Dan and the toilet, or could be tie
Dan in the toilet that makes it a lot creepier,
but Taipan in the toilet.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Yeah, Oklahoma, Tennessee and South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
If your starting point is Leonora Sellers. It's a great
starting point. Yes, agreed. On my end, it's slightly different.
My five contenders are Bama, Texas, Georgia, A and M
and LSU. My X factors are Florida, Missoo and Oklahoma
in that order, and then the skeptical tier for me

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is Ole, miss South Carolina, Tennessee and Auburn. So Auburn's
one that we I think disagree pretty heavily on, or
I guess not that heavily. Right, we do have the
same four at the bottom of the conference, which is Arkansas, Vandy,
Kentucky and Mississippi State in that order for me, Is
that the same order for you? I believe so. Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
So the questions for these teams to be anyway seem
pretty straightforward. On the Arkansas side, I love Taylor Green.
I loved them last year. How much can Tailing Green
and his playmaking ability overcome a brutal schedule and what
I think are very obvious limitations on defense.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
And just new players all around and new players all around. Yeah,
they lose a bunch, They have to recruit a bunch
out of the portal. It's just a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
How much can you put on one guy. You know,
he was already prone to mistakes last season. Arkansas is
gonna find itself in some interesting shootouts this year.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
They might be very fun to watch. They're over under
at time of recording is five and a half. Makes
total sense to me. Correct, Vandy, are we buying into
the Diego Pavia thing again?

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
I think the best of him? Yeah? Absolutely, you not.
He's thirty four, He's ready to roll. He's still playing.
He still has maybe the best tight end in this conference.
I don't know, especially if they can keep things relatively
close in some of these bigger games. I do trust
him to give Vandy the absolute best shot to win

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those tight games. I don't love the otherwise new or
limited pop on offense around him. I do like that.
I think they should keep improving on defense, but as
Bill Connolly noted, they had some of the best turnover
luck in America, and that's very tough to replicate.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
It's tough to replicate Vandy's enticing because they lead the
SEC in returning production. And I do think the defense
is better, but I think the offense is going to
be worse, especially up front. And the luck thing, Yeah,
the luck thing is tough to replicate. Now, you got
a big game hunter in Diego Pavia, definitely who at
this point, much like Zach Calzada, who we're going to

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talk about next. Probably old enough to rent a car,
so they got that going for them, which is nice.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Without paying a fee.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Yeah, without paying that's right. But otherwise I'm just not
sure the same pixie dust is going to be around
for Vandy this year as it was last Doubt the
doors at your own peril, Kentucky. Yeah, I mentioned Zach Calzada,
so we're excited here because the Calzada Armada is sailing again.

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The bad news is that there isn't a whole lot
of precedent for a successful seventh year quarterback. All right,
he is Van Wilder At this point in college football,
I am not sure which direction Kentucky is headed. They're
over under is four and a half. I totally get it.
I would not touch the over.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
It's a lot new.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
I kind of feel like things are winded down for
Mark Stoops in that era.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
They got to find a lot of money. If that's
the case, fifty million dollars ish forty to fifty somewhere
in there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Somewhere in that neighborhood. It's sizable.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
It's just the difficulty in finding offense year over year
over year. This was not a good offense. It did
not work out transfer wise, it did not work out
a quarterback last year on offense. And there's a lot
to like individually about different parts of this defense. But
there's only so much you can do if one side
of your team is at best, at best an enormous

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question mark. And recent results say that Kentucky, by the way,
maybe they win that one crazy game every year. And
I want to say they have Florida in maybe the
letdown look ahead sandwich spot of the SEC season? Is
it between look this up? Is it after Georgia before
Ole Miss is where Kentucky is for Florida? Yeah, that's right.

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It's after Georgia in Jacksonville before they travel to Oxford.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
They get Kentucky in Lexington. Talk about a Taipan in
the toilet. There's your taie hand game of the season.
But beyond that, beyond like any given weird week to
suffocate a terrific team, I don't see the upside with
Kentucky in this moment, Like I like Dante Dowdell. It's
on his third team. Yeah, Like, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
Okay with that, And I would say, broadly speaking, I
see some upside for the line. I think the defensive
line has to improve. I think the linebackers are less experienced.
I'm not sure how I feel about the secondary. I'm
just very blase on Kentucky's defense. I don't feel like

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I've been there that often with Kentucky's defense because I'm
so used to them having a better defense. That's true,
And as I look up and down this defensive side anyway,
I'm just kind of like, yeah, I'm not sure. I'm
not sure what to make of this, and no offense
is Zach Calzada. Zach Calzata was actually quite good at
incarnate word.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
Okay, he can move.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Which I think is actually pretty good for this offense.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Yeah, but has a checkered injury passed.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Yeah, I don't necessarily hate that move just considering the attributes,
but injury history, I would think that an SEC team
could do better in Zach Calzada.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Unless it's becoming quite obvious that this is very late
stage stoops Eric Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
He took my thought, yeah, and that's I think the
overarching theme here.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
And the last team is Mississippi State, which look, Mississippi
State's got an absolute ridiculous schedule this year. Yes, I
mean they were winless last season an SEC play. They're
over under his three and a half. That's the lowest
in the conference. It's preposterous. This might be like the
second most difficult schedule in the country this year.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
So you know, I think elements of the offense will
be capable. Like I don't hate Blake shape and now
that he's healthy, had had surgery, I think on his shoulder,
I don't hate him. We both love fluff fluff, fluff
fluff Bothwell, that's I'm going to struggle with that all year.
But Yea from South Alabama ad a really good campaig

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a year ago. I think we really like him. What's
this defense going to be like against the schedule, It's
the problem I have. It's a murderer's row.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Do you want a spoiler? It's not gonna be great.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
So there we go. Those are your sixteen teams.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
Those are sort of an approximation of our tiers.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
You've got Bama, Texas, Georgia, LSU, Old miss Missoo, Florida,
A and M, Auburn, Oklahoma, Tennessee, South Carolina, then Arkansas, Vandy, Kentucky,
and Mississippi State.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
On my end, I've got Bama, Texas, Georgia, An MLSU, Florida, Missoo, Oklahoma,
Old Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Auburn, Arkansas, Vandy, Kentucky, Mississippi State.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Yeah, and I may have I mean, both of their
schedules are ridiculous, but I may have Vandy ahead of Arkansas.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
I could totally see that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
I mean Arkansas adding into Arkansas's mix on the season
is at Memphis and Notre Dame following road game at
Ole Miss in September.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Tough, it's tough, man. Yeah, what's your prediction to win
the conference? I struggled with this. I flip flopped on
this about a thousand times.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
I'm gonna go Texas over Bama, but has a worse
record in the regular season.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
I think I'm on Alabama.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Okay. I mean, look, if Arch is excellent.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
If Arch is excellent, they win the conference. Yeah, they
would win. They would win the conference.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
I mean, if Arch is excellent, it probably means the
offensive line has worked out They're obviously healthier and have
a good amount of pop in the backfield next to him.
It means that upfront, the transfers worked out on defense.
I'm not worried about anything else on the Texas defense.
So I think there's there's a lot to uh to
love about where Texas is right now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
I've got I've got Bama. I've got Bama over Texas.
I I like the second year bump that I think
is going to happen with Kaitlin de Borr, with Ryan
Grubb joining a loaded roster. I just something about that
was speaking to me. So I'm gonna go Bama. By

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the way, Bam and Texas both in the playoffs. Yeah,
obviously if they win the conference, they're going to get
in regardless, but I've got Bama and Texas making the playoff.
I won't spoil too much, but I will say that
I've also got Georgia and Texas A and M making
the playoff on my side. Sure, we will do that
playoff prediction and season prediction show in a couple of weeks,
but I think four SEC teams get in. And more

(01:17:40):
to the point that I made on our last episode,
I think LSU is on the outside looking again when
push comes to show, they're kind of that cusp team
that's going to go nine to three.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
By the way, just to bookend the thought that was
already I already proved to be incorrect. I prove myself
wrong when I said Arch Manning stood alone as an
un proven quarterback in a sea of proven or experienced quarterbacks,
and totally forgot about bo pribula college football as a whole.
The powers, what we perceive to be the powers. So

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many of them have new starting quarterbacks. Yeah, but when
you look at the Big twelve, when you look at
the ACC, and you look at the SEC specifically, there
are so many familiar faces at quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Oh yeah, I love it. Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
That maybe not at the highest end, maybe not at
teams competing to win the national championship, but like that,
we have a concept for so many of these guys,
that we have a history with so many of these
guys is pretty great. It's pretty I love it. I
love it.

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I should say, and then obviously, everything we've got coming
up this season forballers dot Com is where you can
go if you want to support further what Dan and
I do. You get the shows without the ads, get
bonus content, and you go get a whole bunch of
other stuff. Correct verballers dot com. We hope you're willing
to stay with us the rest of the way here,
because the season is getting awfully big in the window.

(01:19:24):
We're recording this at the end of July, but people
are listening to this in early August, only a couple
of weeks removed from there being actual college football actions,
So make your plans accordingly. As we get closer, we
will talk through what all of that means and help
you stay as prepared as possible. But for now, this
is our part one of the SEC. On our Part
two and Part three, we're going to go into much

(01:19:47):
more detail on all sixteen sixteen of these teams. Excuse me,
we'll break it up into eight and eight and hopefully
you'll come out of that fielding a little bit more informed.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
Definitely, why don't we leave it there? Good show. I
enjoyed it same I enjoyed you. Ty, you did great.
Thank you, great.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Performance from you for that go over there, My good
friend Dan Ruberstein, form myself, Tie Hillebrand. Thank you as
always for your ongoing support. We will talk to y'
all the next episode. In the meantime, it's always stay solid, peace,

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