The June Q&A: Big 12 vs. the World, CFB Wizards & Stadium Drones

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Dan Rubinstein and said tonight, you will forget everything you

(02:14):
know about the teams that you love, and those memories
will be replaced by a lifetime of experiences of being
a fan of a completely different team. But you must choose. Now,
which team would you pick?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Dan? So in my lifetime?

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, in lifetime, all of those wonderful Oregon memories before that,
I guess Florida State for you. Okay, all of your
college football memories of a specific team, your favorite team,
those are going to be hot swapped with those of
another team.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
So let's say since two thousand somewhere in there. Does
that make sense?

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I mean, that would only be half of your lifetime.
But sure, if you want to.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Say no, I know, but it's okay, you can. You
can do. There's just so many different eras to sort
of weigh. So if I had to swap memories, I
think it would be lame to say Alabama, Right, that
would be lame. That would be a dorks answer to
say Alabama or Ohio State. I don't know that does.
I'm looking for strictly a fun experience, So you have

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to experience some lows so the highs feel a little
bit sweeter. You have to there has to be a
fun element to this. If I'm going to pick a
specific memory implant, I want to implant fun memories that
like there are upsets involved. Maybe style of play is
interesting to watch over the years. I'm not going to

(03:40):
choose a national championship team I don't think.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Well, So there's two strategies to this, Right, If the
wizard is going to wipe out all my Notre Dame stuff, yeah,
and replace it with the team of my choosing. I
either want to pick a team that is currently good
so that I hit the ground running. Yeah, Ohio State,
George's a team that is very much in the zeitgeist,

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or the other avenue, maybe this is the one you prefer,
pick a team that used to be good, or just
pick a team that has a lot of great memories,
Like I was thinking Stanford Stanford not currently good, but
Stanford had and those are some lows. Man, Stanford had
an incredible run with Christian McCaffrey, when Jim Harball was
there Andrew Luck. Right, So there are two different ways

(04:26):
that you could approach this.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
I wouldn't do. I don't think there's enough juice around
Stanford football to say I am implanting my brain. Like, Okay,
So if I were to choose a national championship program,
which I don't think I should, I might choose LS.
I think there are enough highs, enough entertainment around the
program enough players that are so rootable that you would

(04:50):
just enjoy your time being on that side of the action.
Over the years, obviously you're going back, you're getting less miles,
you're getting coach Oh, You're getting Nick Saban, You're getting
some low points in the nineties, You're getting some low
points here and there, coming down off of some high points.
But I think entertainment factor among the elite teams, without

(05:10):
saying Ohio State, without saying Alabama, whatever that next tier is,
that makes sense to me. If I'm going to select
a team that's just not a national championship team, that's quality,
that cares, that plays in big games, that plays an
entertaining brand of football, that has had upsets, I think

(05:31):
you might be able to do worse than Ole miss
Ooh okay, that's not good.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Now, that's not bad. I thought you were going to
take mine, which was mine is Boise State.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Boise State hasn't won national championship, has had fun, has
had quality. The frustration about like the ceiling involved with
being a Poise State fan.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
For sure, But you know, I believe it is you,
my trustee co host, who has argued for or an
eternity on this show that the national championship is not
necessarily the point.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
No, I know, but you're talking about access, right. It's
a different argument when you're saying, like, we don't even
have access when we are going eleven and one, twelve
and er. It's not the point as a national fan
to me, But I understand the frustrations of bois people
in the two thousands.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
I mean, I can only imagine the unbelievable high that
came with that Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma back in
the day, sure, right, So to have that in my
memory bank would definitely make me at least five percent
more joyful of a human being and a college football fan,
and also to some extent being unburdened for a long

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time from that national championship conversation. I understand there might
be some frustration that comes with it, but to not
necessarily start the season wondering if that's gonna happen, that
would definitely cut stress out of my life, out of
my memory bank. And also being able to watch this
slow build of Boise State through the nineties up to
present day. You know, that has definitely been I think

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the journey of a lifetime for Boise State. Fans watching
this program rise to prominence, most recently now being in
a college football playoff, having great players move through their
sort of being this upstart program, this team that can
upset you if you're not paying attention, while at the
same time now obviously being more of a national story.

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So I just think that evolution would have been fun
to watch. If I could swap out some of the
painful Notre Dame losses to like mac teams and maybe
swap in just this perennial underdog. I don't think that's
a bad trade to made. If if the Wizard presents
himself to me and gives this unholy choice.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
To me, I would have a conversation about either of
the Arizona schools, because that means I probably lived in
warm Weather had access to better Mexican food. Okay, I've
always had.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
This isn't a life thing, this is just a memory state.
I play to a football team.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Here's here's why I say, Arizona schools. You're generally getting
quality with some definitive low points. Some of the Herm
Edwards years, some of the Kevin Someone years get.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Kevin Someone years. Man, I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
You're competing for conference championships, there's pretty consistent quality even
if you're losing, you know, even if you're sort of
the Washington Generals to you know, the better Stanford Oregon
USC teams throughout the years in the Pac twelve. Now
you're moving on to the Big twelve. So there's a
little bit of novelty involved with being a fan of
one of those schools. But at the same time, you're
not expecting eleven wins a year. Like you get to

(08:34):
live in a reality that it's probably more healthy, sure,
and you appreciate the finer things when they arrive.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
See that's my Boise argument right there.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Well poise poises highs have been higher to me, sure
more consistently. But the down part of Boisse is you
have to ride through the Andy Avlos and Brian Harsoniers.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Which are not a Well there's no perfect answer. There's
no perfect answer, but I would love to hear from
people in this one. This is a fabulous question from ween.
By the way, I want of our trustee for ballers. Uh,
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Speaker 2 (09:14):
Or you can take the tact of take a more
downtrodden program, be a Vandy fan, be a per new fan,
be a Rutgers fan, because you expect nothing and you
get to be surprised by competence, and so you protect
yourself against the pain. Tie. No, you're like, I'm a

(09:34):
Vandy fan. We're gonna lose, but if we don't, holy moly,
we're gonna throw some stuff into a river. I don't know.
There's something to be said about protecting from the pain,
but I don't think you can live your life like that, right.
You gotta love like nobody's watching. Tie. That's what your
tattoo says. That's what that's the core belief of mine. Yeah, yep,
so all right, answer. Let's go to this question from Efrin. Okay,

(09:57):
I understand that the Big Ten has org, Ohio State, Michigan,
and Penn State. Yes, that leaves fourteen teams. Are those
fourteen teams so vastly superior to the Big twelve? I
feel like there's not a lot of difference between the
Minnesota's and Illinois and teams like Case State and Baylor.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
However, people keep on talking about the Big Twelve like
it's a poverty league. Poverty league.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Who name names, that's my problem, name names?

Speaker 1 (10:28):
He says, what do you what do you all think?

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (10:31):
So I don't think Ephan's wrong, Okay. I think on
this show we've done our best to push back on
that narrative a bit because we love the Big Twelve.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
So once again we're saying, Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State,
take them aside, take away ties, billion dollar Hollywood face. Sure,
he's not so different than you and I, that's right, Okay.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
What he's wrong about, I think is the approach to
the question. Okay, because he is thinking about this like
a logical college football fan, right, who cares about nuance
looking at the middle of a conference, looking at something
from soup to nuts. The broader national conversation is defined
by the top of a conference, not the media middle.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
So that's like the competent depth.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
But that includes the top of the top, that includes
the top top absolutely. So I think in that sense
because of conference realignment, because the Big Twelve is kind
of headless at this point, we don't know who's taking
over the mantle. Oh my Arizona State sun Devils, our
tie nacos that he thinks it could be ASU, why
not them? Right, But the top of the conference at

(11:42):
present remains somewhat undefined. Yeah, I actually think the more
interesting experiment to test this theory would be to put
out a poll, and I guess we could do this
if we want it, asking whether or not just a
blind taste test. I guess it's not blind. But you

(12:02):
see where I'm going with continual which conference is tougher,
the Big Twelve or the ACC? And I want to
see how people answer that because the ACC definitely has
teams with a little bit more star power. You've got
Clemson in Florida State, and Miami and North Carolina, even
Virginia Tech. Right, I think the highs of that conference
just in terms of name recognition, brand recognition, all those

(12:26):
goofy buzzwords, it's probably higher in the ACC, even though
I don't know necessarily that it's a tougher conference, But
I just think with some of that star power at
the very top, you would have a poll that skews
in the direction of the ACC. That's my theory. I agree,
So I think that's where the Big Twelve comes up

(12:47):
a little bit short, just in terms of the top
of the conference. The other thing that I would say
about the Big twelve. Dan, Yeah, four of the five
biggest TV markets belong to newer teams. Yeah, like the
biggest in Houston, which Houston's got a good sized fan base,
but they just got there. They don't have a whole
lot of experience competing at the Power Conference level. TCU

(13:09):
and Fort Worth is the next highest, made the title
game a couple of years ago, but TCUs a smaller
private school constantly competing for oxygen with schools like Texas
Texas A and M for I guess broader recognition in
the state of Texas and beyond. The next biggest are
Arizona State, new Team Colorado, new Team UCF, relatively new

(13:33):
team right. So again to the recognition point, the biggest
TV markets in general belong to new teams. And if
I can make one final point before I kick it
over to you, yes, I don't know if the middle
of the Big ten is necessarily better than upper middle

(13:57):
of the Big twelve. To Effhren's point, they are richer,
though they are much richer. Yeah, And I think again,
if we're talking of this in terms of like the
broader national conversation, whether or not people want that to
factor in. It is definitely still something on the periphery
that people think about when they make a snap judgment

(14:17):
on a conference.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Sure, absolutely, what do you think? Okay, So it's hard
to separate awareness, it's hard to separate national familiarity from
this question. You'll notice it was Ephremn left out USC, right,
huge program in a huge place with huge a huge name, brand, coach, whatever,

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and just very recognizable in terms of where this program
has been in college football, and not recently, not recently,
but we're not too old that we forget USC as
a national power.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
And by the way, you're kind of making my Big
twelve point here as well. Sure, because when you think
of the Big twelve, you don't necessarily think of like
Arizona State, Arizona.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
No Arizona, Arizona State are Pack twelve programs.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Right, And I think the same is true on USC's front.
I still don't call the old school. I know they're
technically as is Oregon in Washington, Ucla. I know these
teams are technically in the Big ten. But well, at
your finger snap judgment, I'm not thinking US season the
Big ten yet. I have not reprogrammed that quickly.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
USC is a little bit different to me because they
actively tried to murder the conference they were in. So
I am from my vantage point, USC is a murderer,
and so they're a Big Ten team. This is what
they wanted college football to be. They wanted USC comma

(15:45):
Big Ten member.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
We had a guy right in by the way every
time we talk about USC schedule, wanted me to play.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Sure, we took a few years off. I mean, they
played Notre Dame and Oregon this year, right, I know.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
We could start that back up, though it's always fun continue.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
The other thing, the Big Twelve just feels so much
even though it spans you know, Arizona to West Virginia
and Orlando, there is still something highly regional, if not
about like the places or the alums, but the interest
in the Big Twelve. That look, I've lived on the
West Coast, I've lived on the East Coast, and now
I live in the biggest city in the Midwest, and

(16:25):
when you look up and down the Big Twelve, I
can't think this is an insane anecdotal piece of argument
that I'm about to make. Okay, this is cow Herdian
in its nature. Okay, great, I don't think and maybe
somebody's listening to this and knows me and is friends
with me. I don't think I know a single person
that went to any of these schools that lives near

(16:47):
me right now. But I can think of I have
SEC friends, I have obviously Big Ten friends, I have
former Pac twelve friends, I have ACC friends. But what's
interesting to me, and I don't know if it's just
a footprint thing, but there is something about the Big
Twelve that when you lose the recognizable heads of a

(17:09):
conference in Texas and Oklahoma. And by the way, I
think the Big Twelve is a sensational job in rebuilding
and repopulating and having a high floor.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
I like it. I like what they've done. And I'm
not necessarily making this argument that effort is is batting around,
not at all. I mean, people who listen know that
we like the conference. But it's I think it's a
fair point to raise because this is very much the narrative.
I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
And you look at the teams who have played in
huge national games recently in the postseason. You have TCU,
of course, you have ASU, of course, and then you
look at the rest of the list in terms of
playoff playoff ish teams. Utah has kind of flirted, but
they've been a Big Twelve team for an hour and
a half. Kansas State has had some really interesting high

(17:54):
like they just there's no consistency at or near the top.
Oklahoma State or of showed it. They make a Big
Twelve championship game and fall off like the Mariannus trench
of college football immedia? Is that what it's called?

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yes in the Atlantic, Yes.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yeah, And so there is something about the consistency of
inconsistency in the Big Twelve where you're just like, who
is this conference built on the backs of And when
you look at the ACC and you look at the
interest that you know, Clemson has generated nationally and it's
taken a while. But Miami, of course not necessarily within

(18:31):
the ACC, but it's a huge brand with recognizable everything
about Miami football. Say what you will, Miami's huge. And
then there's there are the enormous schools or the big,
big name schools, whatever you want to call it in
the Northeast. Not that they've had sustained success, but these
are huge programs, both in basketball and football, and the
Big Twelve has a ton of basketball firepower, but I

(18:53):
don't know. There is still something about a bunch of
B plus type programs that is impressive and to be
modeled after. But there has to be that bar. That's
what we talked about when Nick Saban retired, that Alabama
did the impossible thing in the SEC where it was

(19:14):
people decry a lack of parity, but it is nice
that we had this measuring stick of a program in Alabama.
I hope, for the sake of the Big Twelve, maybe
that becomes Arizona State. It'd be very cool. They seem
to be a very likable program at the moment, unless
you're in Tucson, I guess, And you need that bar
to measure yourself against, and the Big Twelve is searching

(19:37):
for that. It's a conference in its absolute infancy. Whereas
like the Big Ten in SEC and ACC are growing
by adding to an existing roster, the Big Twelve had
to morph into something new when losing its huge brands.
And so sure you can say the Big Twelve is
competitive with the Big Ten minus the bars and the

(20:01):
SEC minus the bars, But I mean, this is why
movie stars have the prettiest faces, you know, like you
got to have that recognizable flash to sell tickets, and
you know, we're paying to see Sidney Sweeney, not Cheryl Sweeney.
Cow Herdian soapbox.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Now, now that that was a great Cowhardian argument. By
the way, as you were going off on that tangent
p I did post to our social account a poll
asking which conference do you think is tougher, Big twelve
or ACC? So by the time, by this time tomorrow
we'll know the answer to the experiment. But I if

(20:44):
I were to venture a guess, I would say the ACC.
Not necessarily because I think it's that much tougher or
weaker or whatever, but I just think because of the top,
because of the star power at the top, that is
what works against the Big twelve. You made the same
point as well. I would expect that the ACC is
going to win this, but we'll see. I don't know.
It's also people are probably gonna make jokes about this
this question and altogether.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
But no, it's fine. And it's also look from a
recruiting standpoint, and I guess portal standpoint, but mostly recruiting.
You know, over the last you know, five ten years,
and then Texas Tech was a major player in the
portal this year, and we'll see how that works out
for them. But these this is a conference that from
a pure roster standpoint, and it's changed again in the
portal era, it's a conference that can't absorb injuries, that

(21:29):
hasn't built up the kind of depth when you compare
it against other conferences that you know, a couple of
years ago, a couple of quarterbacks go down and West
Virginia's win in a bunch more games than they probably
should have, and good for them, right that it's easier
to win games in a conference that doesn't necessarily have
NFL depth at a lot of positions. And I'm not

(21:49):
saying the Big Twelve is easy, no, but I think
the bar to get to, you know, the road to
eight wins in the Big Twelve maybe a little bit
easier because you're not dealing with week in and week out.
You know, this team might not have an offense, but
their defense is incredible, or this team might not have
a defense, but their offense is incredible. I think you're
getting a lot of mediocrity at you know, a three

(22:15):
to four position group layer that you might not be
getting in the bottom of the or the middle of
the Big Ten.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, Okay, let's move on. Let's go to this one
from Dan. Okay, every podcaster in college football media member
with a mailbag has been asked a dozen times? How
many years would it take Nick Saban to turn X
into a contender?

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Saban only really one big at decided blue blood programs
like LSU and Alabama. Yeah, what is the lowest tier
of a program that the best coaches in the game
could turn into a top five team? Could they do
it or could they do it at a top fifteen program,
a top twenty five program? What is the lowest tier?

(23:04):
Let's use Nick Saban as an example, best coach of
all time in college football? Sure you put Nick Saban
the Eastern Michigan. I don't like that exercise is stupid, Okay, explain.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Nick Saban would never These guys are used to a
certain lifestyle and it's not worth it for them. The
money is not worth it if the money behind the
program and the prestige behind the program isn't aligned with
what they're used to doing with coaching. So I think
the more sensical question is what Dan is actually asking,

(23:42):
right that, like Nick Saban going to a MAX school
and winning the mac a bunch of times, but he's
never going to really be able to probably generate enough
financial interest behind the scenes at the school and amongst
alumni to draw in five stars from Florida and Georgia
to play for Eastern Michigan.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
So I mean, realistically, yeah, this would have been a
different question fifteen years ago, right, because back in the day,
you could build up teams kind of like you build
them up in the video game, where you consistently recruit well,
you consistently develop talent, you see a progression of results
on the conference, on the national level, and then at
some point, if you're doing it right, you hit a

(24:22):
critical mess. Right, you know, I'm oversimplifying, but it's not
unlike what happened at Boise State, which I sort of
just described right in twenty twenty five, though, this is
a much different answer, even though we did see a
guy like a Frank Signetti turn around Indiana in one
off season. Regardless of what you think of Indiana, they

(24:43):
should be in the playoff. They should in Indiana went
from three to nine to eleven and two. With a
better coach and with help of the transfer portal, you
can do it very quickly. It's not the same time
calculation as it used to be, and a favorable schedule,
and a favorable schedule, so you know, you put a
big name coach, a bigger name coach at really any school,
you will probably see something of a spike in terms

(25:05):
of transfer interest, in terms of maybe the donor class,
et cetera. But the bigger question is that donor class
to your point, all right, donor class and revenue on
the football program, because it's gonna take money. Now, it's
gonna take money to bring the talent in. It's gonna
take money to keep your homegrown talent stop them from
going elsewhere. I don't it doesn't matter if it's Nick
Saban turning things around, turning you into a name brand

(25:30):
quarterback at whatever Max school. The question is can you
keep that guy another year? Because on some level, it's like,
it's great playing for Nick Saban, it's great being there,
it's great having him being like the seal of approval
on your future. Right, But unless you can afford to
pay three million dollars to keep the guy in town,
forget it, right, He's gonna be playing down the road

(25:51):
at Ohio State next year. So that's the reason why.
This is a much different question than I think it
used to be. I don't know if I really have an answer.
I guess the answer is a school that is big
enough to bring in enough dollars to keep the talent
in place on a recurring basis. Like maybe Memphis is
the answer with their investment that they got from FedEx.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
I mean, it's a good investment for the AAC. It's
not necessarily a good investment for the highest levels of
college football.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
But yeah, but that's what it takes. It takes a
school that is big enough to get those donor dollars
year in, year out, regardless of who the coach is.
Having the coach would help, but you need the money
at this point in time if you're going to sustain it.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah, I think a lot of it is just going
to be a location situation that takes schools that are
close to Florida, Georgia, Texas, maybe California that yes, at
Arizona State, at Louisville, at TCU. I think those places
would qualify places that are much more in the like

(26:58):
seventeen to thirty Raine, Okay, and our geographically advantageous I
think Nick Saban Kirby Smart, Dabbo, take your pick. The
best of the best. Coaches could find ways to win
with that kind of proximity to talent and that kind
of proximity to money. I don't know what the money
scene is like. I know it's good at Louisville. It

(27:19):
seems TCU not sure Like Syracuse would just be more difficult,
Like the job Nick Saban would have in trying to
convince players from the South Texas, Florida, Georgio, Tennessee, wherever,
to come to Syracuse. Over going to George and playing
for Kirby Smart, going to Texas and playing for Steve Sarksian.

(27:39):
It's a lot. He would get some, but not on
the same level. It would just be a different kind
of argument that there are just going to be players
who are like I want to play in near family,
I want to play somewhere warm, I want to play
in a southern college town, and it's Syracuse is just
going to check fewer boxes for those types of prospects.
All of these coaches, by the way, would be the
first to tell you that they're nothing special without players,

(28:02):
and there's only so much you can do with a
capped talent level. And you're just going to have that
cap level at a lot of places in that like
twenty two to forty five zone, and you can get
great coaching, you can develop players super well, but in
terms of depth, in terms of star power, the usual
suspects seem like they're always going to draw more. And

(28:24):
so it's a nice symbiotic relationship that like, players make
the coach, coach make the players, and everybody thinks the
best of everybody. And I just I couldn't see Kirby Smart,
you know, achieving national glory at Iowa State consistently.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Saban at Tulane would be I think as far down
as I would go a school like a two lane,
but I think it would have to be the upper
crust of the non power five, a place that has
a serious investment in football, had some recent success to
build upon, already has talent, right, you know, starting from

(29:06):
square one, you're not going to put him at Kent State. No,
you're going to be better if you put him at
Kent State, because he's a better coach. But in terms
of building something longer term, turning this into any kind
of juggernaut, the money.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
It's actually more fascinating in basketball when you just need
you know, two or three incredible balls. Different a different
what Rick Patino has done because we actually see it
in basketball on a different level, like John Calipari at Memphis.
Memphis obviously historical program has had star power there, but
it's not what Kentucky is right, it's you know you
he turned UMass into a power. And so the basketball thing,

(29:45):
the coaches have more of an opportunity because you got
to convince two kids and then others will follow those
two kids pretty quickly. And so that's the fascinating thing
when you see who is the Michigan coach forever who
went to San Diego State, Steve Fisher. Deep sure that
we actually do see it in basketball, and that's that's
when it becomes super fascinating. But no, football wise, I

(30:08):
just think it's so much more difficult, especially now with
how much players can move around. I don't know, it's
tough to say, like you, Nick Saban would find really
good and develop really good dbs and find really good
dB coaches. You know, if we were coaching in the MAC,
if we were coaching the Big twelve and the Big
ten wherever. But the high high level roster that goes

(30:28):
too deep everywhere. As much as that is difficult now,
I just think you're asking so much of one human
to completely transform a place that's not built to be transformed.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
This question from Jacob is not directed direct batching my
words here.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
You're good.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
It's not address solely to you, but it might as
well be. Okay, can you compare twenty twenty five college
football teams to early two thousand's pop punk bands.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
I deleted this.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
I do not believe we've ever gotten this question before.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
I deleted it. I don't compare anymore. Do you have
any thoughts from comparisons. I'm sorry I put you on
a bad I'm a bad teammate right now saying that
it's okay.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
No, it's fine, it's fine. You can you can tell
me if I'm right or wrong with these comparisons.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
I have Michigan down as Green Day.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Michigan as Green Day. That's not early two thousands. They
had Dookie was like ninety four.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
I just jotted down that they have some old school credibility.
Its Michigan. They had their moment against recently. A lot
of people think they peaked in the nineties, but.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Michigan Screen Championship like three hours ago.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I said they had their moment recently.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
And then the other one I jotted down was Penn
State is Jimmy World because they're they're solid, they're consistent,
they have occasional moments of brilliance, but they have never
quite been the headliner.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Okay, yeah, I would more. I would be more likely
to look at Fallout Boy songs and compare them to
like twenty twenty four seasons like song names, yeah, you know,
Dead on Arrival, Grand Theft, Autumn, whatever, old Fallout Boy, Yeah,

(32:16):
and compare them to seasons or yeah, like team seasons
from last season than banned reputation because it's just so
highly subjective. And college football, there's a you objectively went
ten and two, you objectively won three straight national championships,
or appeared in three straight national championships, where I think

(32:36):
I will go song title more than that Fallout Boy,
like what program is like early two thousands or all
of the Fallout Boy ouvre ouvre what's the question exactly?

Speaker 1 (32:48):
He says, can you compare twenty twenty five college football
teams to early two thousands pop punk bands?

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Well, Michigan isn't peaked in like their twenty twenty five
team is relying on a young lead singer. Was there
anybody that was especially young singing for a pop punk
group in like two thousand and two the starting line
and Kenny there.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Was that dude from the calling They had one big
song and he was like.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Seventeen years old punk. That guy was just doing an
Eddie Vetter impression. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fallout Boy has
withstood the test of time. Midwest high energy, yep, a
lot of hair decisions.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, there were.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Associated with Ashley Simpson. So who played in that Orange
Bowl that Ashley Simpson sang in?

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Was that Penn State?

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (33:48):
It might have been Pen State or she saying the
halftime show?

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, and she had the really the really bad hiccup
on national TV on SNL. Yeah, so I guess Fallout
Boys associated with both of the those things.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
It was the two thousand and five Orange Bowl.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Okay, who played in the two thousand and five Orange Bowl.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Two thousand and five Orange Bowl, I'm looking at it
right here. Oh my gosh, I'm looking at this clip
right now. Two thousand and five Orange Bowl. Yeah, that
was USC against Oklahoma that was the two thousand and
five BCS National Championship Game.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
I would say Ohio State, if you're going to force
me to do fall Out Boy, I would say Ohio State,
that Midwest been around for a while amongst an elite
tier with their peers Fallout Boy, you know, selling out
arenas and stuff like that, Like they just they have
a huge national, if not international following.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
It's funny you say that because Jacob is the second
part of Jacob's comment here is, for example, I feel
like Ohio State is Fallout Boy, big name, some good hits,
has a lot of haters.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Yeah, I I think it's pretty reasonable. The Midwestern thing
rings true obviously.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Well, since he deleted it, we can move on to
the next question. If we can move on Xavier rights
in how many coaches do you think can get fired
or retire? Just looked and I can see Auburn, LSU, FSU, Florida, USC, Iowa, Kentucky,
Oklahoma and sy State, Pit, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Oklahoma State,
Texas Tech.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
I mean this answer is easier to say, like, who
do you think is in a pretty good spot?

Speaker 1 (35:32):
I could see all of these teams. He also has Maryland, Wisconsin, Arkansas.
All of these teams making moves either due to firings
or retirements, and I'm wondering if maybe we'll see some
coaches stay on for that reason. Okay, so he's obviously
focused on the Power Conference coaches. He did list a
lot of schools there. Many of them have complex situations

(35:53):
that are I think worth following. Only a fraction of
those places are probably willing to pay crazy buyout money.
So like USC and Lincoln Riley. We had Ryan Abraham
on a couple months ago. Lincoln Riley's not going anywhere.
They're not paying that buyout. I think there is a
trend right now to that point of rather than shelling

(36:14):
out dead buyout money, reinvesting it into talent acquisition and
seeing where the program can go. Florida sort of did
something like this. Of the programs, he listed the ones
that I would say I'm watching the closest, we're most
interested in. Mark Stoops is getting progressively more grumpy at Kentucky. Sure,

(36:38):
sometimes that could be a precursor to a retirement. Oklahoma
State the writings of the Wall, We talked that one
through Oklahoma. We like what brand Venables is doing, but
going to need to start seeing some results sooner than later,
especially with what they're doing now. Wisconstant of wig Fickle.
We talked about that one. It has not been off
to a great start. Virginia Tech was underwhelming last year

(37:01):
for a multitude of reasons, some of which are on
the coach. Iowa, I think is going to have another
good year, but we know that Kirk Ferrens is going
to be there forever. And Florida State, like Florida State,
had a horrible year, made a big move to go
out and get Gus gust come in and run the offense.
Two new coordinators now in total should be better, if

(37:21):
only because they can't get much worse. But if Florida
State is not more reliably in that playoff conversation, I
think starting this year we're going to have to start
having a Mike Norvell conversation. So those are just the
schools that he listed.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Oh, I think the Mike Norvel conversation has begun.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Oh, it's definitely begun. Yeah, I'm trying to be you know,
generous here with my assessment, but Florida State should be
in that CFP conversation nearly every year full stop.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
I think with the demands placed on coaches now, the
list is probably far longer of coaches who are just like, yeah,
I'm done with this. I'm done with this. I've made
enough money and I'm good. I don't want to recruit
my own roster every hour of every day. I think
there's more. I think the teams that Xavier listed are

(38:10):
all reasonable because of expectations, because of how teams have
gone into the portal, or how teams are hoping to
bounce back from last season. They're all reasonable here. But
I just think the list is more vast, Like, the
list is more vast of programs not necessarily who are
excited to pay money to a coach to not coach.

(38:31):
But if you if you take away the schools that
just hired somebody or their good vibes early on, and
a coach is ten years somewhere, and you just take
any school that has had a coach that has been
there for four or five years, you're not going to
be fully surprised. If Kirby Smart's like, I'm good, If
Dabolsweeny's like I'm good.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
I see, but you're talking to the retirement angle. And
I think that's well, it's in the question, right, It's
in the question. It's absolutely valid, totally. What I don't
know though, with this new era of money and especially
with revenue sharing. We actually have a question about revenue
sharing a little bit later that we'll get to. I
don't know the willingness of some of these programs to

(39:09):
pay that buyout money. I agree, you know, and that
is something we're just going to have to chart. We're
going to have to see which programs are really desperate
to get rid of whoever is running the thing and
start anew versus who's just going to hang tight and
see if anything materializes, maybe reinvest the way I described right,

(39:32):
I don't know. I don't know the answer to that.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
I think there are very few programs that have had
a coach for a while that the coach does not
go through spells of why am I even doing this?
And from the top on down, like I would bet
Steve Sarkasian has had low moments at Texas, that Dan
Lanning has had low moments at Oregon. That take your

(39:54):
pick of the gilded class of coaches that they're dealing
with issues that make them question why they are coaching
major college football in twenty twenty five now, though the
issues likely don't outweigh the positive aspects. And these are
places that you can throw money at problems in a
way that you can't at a lot of places. But

(40:18):
the pain of the job, I'm sure rears its ugly
head for every single one of these. For Kenny Dillingham,
who's got it better than Kenny Dillingham right now coming
off of a Big twelve title and being seen as
like a good guy, intense guy doing stuff that is
a blueprint for other new coaches, young, younger new coaches.

(40:40):
But even he is, you know, frustrated by a lot
of realities. I'm sure. So I think the list is
always longer than you think it is. Okay, and you
just these coaches are talented at figuring out how to
convince people to throw money at problems.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Let's go to David as a Big ten fan in
my sixth decade of life, nice in his fifties, I
am increasingly struggling with how to handle games that interest
me that are on in the very late TV window.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Okay, we don't know where David lives, do we?

Speaker 1 (41:12):
We do not know where he lives now, Okay, I
can stay up, but it wrecks me the next day.
He says, as a parenthetical, Yes, I am very washed,
especially if the game is exciting, since I too am
wound up after the game and I am unable to
fall asleep as soon as the head hits the pillow.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I assume David lives in the big ten footprint in
the central times On.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
I think that's a fair assessment. I've tried to go
to sleep at halftime, but then I tossed intern all
night with suspense, not wanting to wake up until morning
to see what happened. Sometimes, with the suspense killing me,
I wake up at like two or three AM, and
I check the score, but of course I also have
to see the drive chart and everything, and then good
luck trying to fall back asleep for like two more hours.

(41:54):
They really should have considered the old folks when scheduling
any advice or thoughts. Don't laugh. This will be useful day, buddy,
it already is us. We're just at this point now
where we have to gut it out so that we
can do the live streams at midnight Eastern time. Yeah,
after a day's worth of games. So we are Simpatico. David,

(42:15):
I think the best answer is probably to move to
Hawaii if that's within your budget.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Okay, that's not a great answer, but it's not an answer.
Who was Who was.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
The NBA guy who did that for ESPN the old
was it Chad Ford?

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Is that that sounds right? That he lived? Was that
specifically for time zone purposes?

Speaker 1 (42:34):
I don't know. I think he was a professor or something.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
There's a basketball writer for the Athletic Sam Vessini. He
lives in Australia. I don't know how that works for
him and covering the NBA, if that's advantageous or like
if the games started at nine am and he's like
this is great.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah, yeah, it's a great answer. But what's your solution,
what's your what's your advice here for David.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Well, I think the actual problem here is you've got
to fall asleep in like like a harder rock, right,
Like you have to be asleep so thoroughly that you
don't wake up in the middle of the night. You
will wet your bed. You will wet your bed because
you got to get up. Sometimes I'd like, how opposed

(43:14):
to you are edibles? Like Okay, like if you can
find that sort of blend that just sort of keeps
you locked into your sleep pattern. So you're winking up.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
You're saying, rugs, seek the assistance of something that can
either help knock you out right or keep you knocked
out so that the college football distractions aren't quite as distracting.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
I would figure out maybe how to negotiate a power
nap window the next morning if you have to stay up,
if that's an unavoidable thing.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
See, this is where I thought you were going with it,
because that's been our approach to staying awake later into
the night.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
But he doesn't have an issue staying awake. He's saying
it wrecks him the name morning. Well yeah, but so
you're still saying stay up late, but he's still going
to be wrecked.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
But gutting out these night games now, as we have
for the last two years. The best advice you gave
me was probably to do the power nap around five pm.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Right, But that prepares you for the to prepare you
awake for the night window. It doesn't help you the
next morning.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
This is true.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
I am still So what I'm saying is I don't
know if David has kids and responsibilities on Sunday mornings
that he has, you know, active plans every Sunday morning.
What I'm saying is, if you do have plans, figure
out a way with your significant other to say, at
ten thirty am, I'm going to need twenty five minutes
to close my eyes, because you can't go past twenty

(44:44):
five minutes. Really, if you want to do a power nap,
you chug a little coffee and you close your eyes
for twenty five minutes. That can help you the next day.
If you are wrecked from staying up until or you
wake up in the middle of the night, that's right.
You can put your phone in another room so you
can't check scores if you happen to wake up.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Right, and this is what therapists will tell you to
do if you have trouble sleeping at night, if you
are constantly on the phone, if you're dooms scrolling, whatever,
they will tell you put the phone in another room.
There are some settings on the phone that can prevent you,
I guess, from using your own device. Right, they tend

(45:21):
to not work because you're the one who sets it up.
You know how to get around it. But but what
I'm saying is. But that's not a bad idea. I
like the idea.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
There are those apps though, right, there's those apps that
they're just like, don't let me on my phone between
ten pm and six am. Yes, okay, so I think
maybe that's the move. Okay, now if he is, so,
if in somewhat suspense, you can just turn on the TV,
right you can. There are ways around not checking your phone,
but at least turning on your TV. You feel like

(45:51):
even more of a degenerate that you're fully dedicating yourself
to an entertainment sidebar in the middle of the night
from two to three eighteen am, Whereas the ease of
the phone being taken away I feel like is at
least a step. It's at least if you have a
significant other, have them hide the phone.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Oh, hide the phone, hide the phone and Easter egg
hunt at three thirty am to see what the box
score was between Texas Tech and you know whoever?

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, or how about this tie? Give yourself a reward
system for not staying up late and checking the scores
on your phone. Right, treat yourself Sunday morning. You made
it through. Now you're going to scrub through. At six
am while you're drinking coffee. Seven am. While you're drinking coffee,
reward yourself and go get a breakfast burrito. You only

(46:43):
get the breakfast burrito if you pass the test.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
What does not work and has never worked, is a
tip delay thing.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Right.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
I have yet to hear from what we've been doing
this show since eight I have yet to hear from
Harvarballer Hood anyone truly, anyone who has ever been able
to pull that move off, right, Because back in the day,
when it was like a VCR, you had to rewind it.
You could see the scores. Now, if you're using any

(47:15):
of the streaming apps out there, you still have to
rewind it. Like it. I've never had success with starting
right at the moment where it's supposed to record and
then just watching it without getting any of those tells right.
I've always had to rewind it or maybe I'm doing
it wrong. I don't know, but that doesn't work. I
don't have that kind of patience. I don't have that
kind of willpower. So yeah, maybe use the apps to

(47:38):
try and shield yourself from the results. I don't know, David,
let us know if you come up with a better solution.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
I like my drugs idea, I mean, lives in the
hand of big Pharma.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Let's go out to Tyler here. Yeah, as revenue sharing
for players kicks off shortly, do you have any creative
ideas for how schools can earn more revenue to offset
the increased expenditures. The best idea Penn Steak could come
up with was to make the minimum price for parking
at any game this year one hundred and five dollars. Parenthetically,

(48:09):
he says, yes, seriously, one hundred and five to park
in a grass field when FIU comes to town. Right,
Needless to say, I'm a little bit frustrated. I would
love to have some fun with this. How are we
going to earn more sweet sweet cache to keep up
the program and make sure it maintains and make sure
it stays a well oiled machine. Okay, Yeah, I have

(48:31):
four creative ideas here, okay that I came up with.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Are any of them renting chairs?

Speaker 1 (48:38):
No? Okay, damn, I have a couple options. I want
you to tell you what you think, all right. As
you know, we are noted entrepreneurs. Here, we do a
sharp tank knockoff fund.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
I have a business minor everybody.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Option one a premium bathroom pass. Oh man, that's that's
kind of evil. Okay, premium pass. Okay, they do something
like this Disney World. You can jump to the front
of the line, right m speed pass. Is that what
it's called? Something like? Yeah, fifty dollars. Fifty bucks gives
you access to a no line restroom. Okay, judging from

(49:19):
your response, you don't like it. I'll move on.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
I'm okay with it. No, I was. I didn't know
if you had more to say about it.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
No, that was it.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Fifty bucks gets you a pass to a no line restroom, correct,
all right, So you're you're looking for the the richer
fans to put this bill.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
We are basically all of my ideas are scamming the
people who go to the game.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Okay, that's so smart, ty A, what a good thing
for college football. Scam people going to games.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Option two, yeah, I call this workable Wi Fi. Okay,
workable Wi Fi. So you go up like in a
plane and they charge you for the Wi Fi.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
M hmm.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Kind of a scam. But also, oh, when you want it,
you really want it. Yeah, everybody, you look in the stands.
I'm not suggesting that we want more people on their
phones during games. But let's just be real with where
we're at in twenty twenty five. Everyone's on their phone anyway. Right,
Let's charge for Wi Fi in the stadiums, workable Wi

(50:18):
Fi in the stadiums, because right now none of them work. Yeah,
pay twenty five bucks, just like you would in an airplane.
You get access to actually functional Wi Fi.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Yep, that's good. I like that, not bad, right, I
like that.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
We're stepping up here. Yeah, rentable AR headsets.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Augmented reality headsets hundred bucks, hundred bucks. And what is
the augmentation to college football that you're getting at a game.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
It's not unlike those little radios that used to be
able to rent where you could hear the play by
play guy, right, But with an AR headset, you get
the first down line, get all the relevant stats, you
get instant replay if you want that. Think of all
the things that they could pack into enhance the experience
and just be like watching on TV. Really, but you

(51:13):
would get the benefit of some real time updates as
you are watching in the stance.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Right. Hundred bucks, hundred bucks.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
I don't know how you prevent those from being stolen.
But you know somebody can come up.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
With that's okay.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
I'm just an idea guy, Dan, That's what I hear you.
I hear you, And here is my big one. Okay,
I'm ready sitting down. I'm calling this door dash for concessions. Okay, okay,
you charge a small fee on top of your concession
orders so that they can be delivered directly to your seat.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Now, my idea for this is using delivery drones. I
don't know the legality of this.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Drones hovering over a stadium dropping pad tie.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
They're not dropping pad tie, Okay, they're dropping they're lowering down. Yeah,
some sort of order from the concession stands. Yeah, all right,
so you're not ordering out burger King. But if Burger
King is in the stadium and you want to have
it delivered to your seat, we would program these delivery
drones so that it only happens during commercial breaks. We

(52:18):
don't want them buzzing around while the action is actually unfolding. Right,
Maybe you could have them launch from a spot on
the roof or in the parking lot. You have a
couple hundred of them. Each of them can handle two
orders of pop got an app on the phone, provided
you've got workable Wi Fi. Maybe that's why you get
the subscription yep, and then boom. Instead of having a

(52:42):
get up and stand in the line and deal with
that entire circus, you just have this thing come buzzing
on down from the sky, lowers your nacho order down, yeah,
and then buzzes off. Before you know what, the game's
back on. You don't even have to leave your seat,
right just start. Just are just small feel on top
of whatever it would cost you otherwise. Now, concessions are

(53:03):
already expensive. I'm not saying that this is economical, but
if we're looking for ways to try and drum up
a little bit more revenue, fill the coffers, because you've
got to pay the players, or you want to pay
the players. To Tyler's point one hundred and five, the park,
that's pretty steep. That's going to keep people out. Once

(53:25):
we get people in, that's when we've got a captive audience.
And that's why we do door dash for concessions.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Okay, fair enough, I appreciate that this is all I have.
The problem is, I think a lot of people are
tailgating and they're coming into the game pretty full right,
like the selling point of college football, I think the
hot dog in nacho quality and demand. I don't think
it's the huge selling point of going to a game, right.
It's the environment, It's being with your friends, it's the

(53:52):
ability to tailgate beforehand, it's the traditions. Like improving concessions
is worthwhile. I just don't know if people are freaking
out about a revolutionary concession system. Listen, people are drunk
before they come into the stadium. That doesn't stop them
from buying more beer.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah, and maybe the reason that people aren't buying more
concessions is because they don't want to deal with the
crowds and the line, right, and the inconvenience of that.
So I am offering to America to eighties out there,
to university presidents, maybe lawyers. I don't know who's involved

(54:30):
in this process, but this is how we this is
how we drum up interesting concessions. And maybe this gives
stadiums a little bit more of a chance to bring
in different vendors. Sure, offer more different types of concessions
that people would want to.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
But that's all like taking care of an edge rusher
for the season, right, Like we had eight hundred and
fifty grand. Like, great, that's going to mateo u jungalo.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
I'm just saying, he asked the question. I'm trying to
be creative here. I haven't heard anything from you.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Okay, who are on an individual basis? Who are the
people who are able to generate the most on site
income relative to the work they actually do? I wrote
down here cart girls. Now is that a problematic answer?

(55:26):
Of course it is, sure, yes, of course, But extrapolate
that over a whole stadium. Now we've got two edge rushers. Okay,
next item week four in ri odd Now perhaps even
more problematic.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
You want more international games.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
I'm just saying, in terms of how quickly you can
make money live college football, zero conscious conscience.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
You live college football.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
I mean teams of Colorado already, like had a rogue
Stafford explore that right, yes, somewhere looking for Middle Eastern money. Correct,
that's that's not a great answer. Here's here's an interesting thing.
And I don't I don't, I don't know actually know
how interesting it is. But this is this is where
my wheels were turning. What if you canceled everybody's season
tickets and or the best season tickets in the stadium

(56:21):
and reopened them up in like a bid system.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
I mean, if the state of the game right now, Yeah,
we just did a whole episode on this. If the
state of the game right now is potentially alienating the
biggest fans of the game, what do you think that
would do well?

Speaker 2 (56:42):
This is the richest fans, not the biggest game, biggest fans,
richest fans.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
I don't I don't know exactly how this would work,
but I'm saying, like, free market the best tickets and
see where it gets you. Maybe it's a terrible idea.
I don't know. I don't know what you did. Like
at this point, Like truly, if there are any entities
out there that I feel the least for in terms

(57:09):
of sympathy, major college football programs trying to figure out
how to make ends meet, especially if you're in the
Big ten and SEC like Penn State jacking up what
do you say parking prices here? Yeah, hundred bucks to park.
I just don't feel bad for Penn State, Like, I
don't think we need to put our extremely limited brain

(57:30):
power towards figuring out these schools with these enormous endowments.
Obviously they're earmarked for specific programs and situations, but like,
I don't know crime a River. I don't care if
Penn State doesn't have enough money to pay the next
you know dds, it doesn't matter to me. Like I

(57:50):
just care about the football. And so if these schools
are all going to cry poor and are going to
cut back the number of people who are photo shopping,
you know, happy birthday message is to high school sophomores,
so be it. That's okay. I look, they're gonna they're
gonna get creative with it. They're going to charge more

(58:12):
for everything, they're going to pass along, you know whatever,
people parking their car. They're not going to do enough
to improve the in game environment, despite all of your
pleas to drop pad tie drones, which I don't think
is a bad idea. I would love to subscribe to
a pad tie drone.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Oh yeah, But.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
I just I don't feel bad. I don't feel like
I feel bad for smaller schools trying to figure it
out and how to compete. But like Penn State jacking
up parking prices, in what universe is that going to
make anybody want to go to these games?

Speaker 1 (58:46):
That's my point. That's my point. I am focusing on
the in stadium experience right and not putting up the
barrier to get in the stadium that I think one
hundred and five does when it comes to parking.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
But what is what is better Wi Fi going to do?
Like I'm on the fence about going to Penn State Northwestern,
but excuse me, excuse me.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah, there are still gigantic student sections in all of
these stadiums. You don't think that there would be something
of an appeal for that audience Wi Fi? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Do you know how much big screen TVs costs? Now?
Every student has one. If you've got three hundred and
fifty bucks, you can sit at home. You can inject
comedies do you want. They're all on their phones. They are,
But they can be on their phones at home too.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
But they're not. They're at the games. They're on their phones.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Some are, I mean saying, look at what Nick Saban
complained about at the end of his career and people
leaving in the student section.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Not I know, listen, I know I'm not necessary for
as much as I'm on my phone normally if I'm
at a game, I'm not really on the phone. I'm
watching the game, but I'm also not necessarily who this
is target toward, targeted towards. So now and I probably
still would pay it to get better WiFi just in case.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
So now we circle back to art girls. Three per section,
five per section, all with bodyguards. You know, safety is paramount.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Here the bodyguards. Yeah, unfortunately, But.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
I don't know, man, those add up, those tips add up?
I have no I have no clue how these places
who are making tens upon tens upon millions of dollars
from TV arrangements that they have all they're all in
bed with and didn't pay money to players forever and

(01:00:38):
ever and ever. I just I just think it's a reckoning,
you know, tighten up the b hole and deal with it.
Why don't we go out on this note? Then?

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Yeah, a non college football note from Gary. I am
in no way qualified to answer this question. Okay, he
wants tips from Dan for traveling flying to California from
New Jersey with a six year old and a two
year old. He said, my wife, me and my wife,
two kids and in laws. We're all going to Disneyland

(01:01:12):
Universal a Dodgers game of Padres game, the San Diego
Zoo doing the whole thing out there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
So it's extended family doing touristy things in southern California
with a six year old and two year old.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
He's looking for travel tips.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Yeah, I mean everybody, every parent has their own philosophy.
My philosophy as anything goes at thirty five thousand feet.
So Pixar movies, you know, if the kids into sports,
you can download a bunch of stuff off a YouTube.
You just you always want to have more snacks and

(01:01:44):
water availability than you need. Right, comfort is huge, but
there's only so much, Like a two year old's tough
on a plane, Like eighteen months until three is generally,
in my experience, extended iPad age. Again, anything goes so
lots of snacks, lots of entertainment. Maybe stickers are really
good on a plane, like the easily stickers, so easy,

(01:02:06):
like the sort of more like the clear stickers that
like like decal type stickers that really come off of things.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
What are we doing with those?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Are you putting on the window the back of seats
and stuff like that? Oh I thought you were putting
them over the child's mouth.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
I'm like, what are we gone?

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
No? No, no, no, not tape, not doing decals, stuff like that.
That that can that can take you for a while
in terms of going to theme parks like the Zoo
and SeaWorld and Disneyland and stuff. Get the double stroller
the kids. Kid's not going to be happy on his
or her feet for an extended period of time. You
gotta go double stroller there. Again, it's snacks, it's recognizing

(01:02:44):
the heat outside and making sure you're in the shade.
You know, it's just it's all about comfort and it's uh,
I know, dealing with in laws and extended family on
those things. You have to set expectations early, like guys
are not hitting every ride, this is our plan, and
leave earlier than you think because kids expire and everybody's tired.

(01:03:09):
Oh you've never heard that turn of phrase.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
No, I've heard it used when we're referencing death. Not
necessarily just getting tired.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
There is just a certain amount of energy and like
they're going to be just jacked out of their minds
with excitement about things. Right, they're going to be seeing
killer whales who should never be in captivity by the way,
Gacie blackfish, of course, and you're going to be waiting
in lines at Disney, like they're just going to be
antsy and just the dopamine hits are going to be

(01:03:39):
through the roof. And so if they're normally like that,
at like five point thirty six pm, like they start
to expire, it's me four fifteen, right, expire. I use
that word every day. So leave yourself cushions, right, have
more food on hand than you think, more granola bars,
more water bottles, more cups of grapes, more whatever. Try

(01:04:04):
your best, in my opinion, try your best to not
you know, fully eliminate, but do a good job with
the sugar, because that becomes, you know, a fuel to
be all over the place for some kids, So you
fill their bellies. Right. If it's just garbage, then they're
just they're wild cards, man, especially out in the wild,

(01:04:25):
like going to a new place in a new state
and they're seeing dopey and they're seeing a dolphin jumping,
and like, you just got to manage expectations with the family.
Take breaks and do your best, do your best. Realize
that they're the especially the two year old is not
going to remember any of it. So live in the
moment with the two year old and try to see

(01:04:46):
the world through their eyes, and you know, realize that
this isn't about you. But honestly, ty, if we're being real,
if I can, if I can pull everybody into my
my truth corner over here, Sure, Disney kind of sucks.
I've never been to either the and I know people

(01:05:07):
love it, and I grew up loving it, and I
went even as a grown up, like when I was
in my twenties, and I would go with buddies who
worked for ESPN or ABC and would get free park
passes and stuff. It was pretty fun. I went with
kids last month or two months ago, and the ratio
of enjoyment to just sitting in a line, and it's
so crowded. I've never been Disney World, so I can't

(01:05:29):
speak to that. But Disneyland specifically, it's not great. And like,
if your kid doesn't actually have a reference point, like
hasn't seen every Disney movie, it's not mandatory. You can
live an awesome life without like sitting in Disney lines.
And you don't want them to be a pariah. And
all their friends have been to Disney and they've never
been to Disney. But if they don't even have the

(01:05:50):
reference point that they haven't seen the Seven Dwarfs and
Beauty and the Beast and Toy Story and all, you know,
everything in Star Wars. The Star Wars Land, by the way,
they did an awesome job with it. It looks really cool.
I didn't my kids didn't care about Star Wars, so
we didn't do any of that stuff. But we walked
through the new Star Wars Land or whatever it's called.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
It's so crazy expensive and you're waiting in lines and
it's packed and it's hot, like Disneyland's cool, but also
you just don't it's not mandatory.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Well, good Gary, Gary is now canceling his trip. Good,
I don't go to the beach kids disappointed. I've never been.
I've never been to Disney or Disney World.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
I'm not a zoo guy, but I understand the appeal
of taking kids to a zoo.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
San Diego Zoo's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
San Diego Zoo is great, and there's like the wildlife
part life the wildlife parks where animals are more out
in the open, like dirabs are running on Is it
grabs giraffes? Can we do diraffs on the show? If
it stabs and halves. It would it would have to
be drafs, it would have to be giraffes. So if

(01:06:57):
a herd of, is it a herd of?

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
I'm just gonna let you talk. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
If it's a.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Giraffe, if you want to invent animal terms, go for it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
I'm standing with draves. I understand why this appealing for kids.
You know, you peak curiosity, you see different species that
you never be able to see. I'm not a zoo guy, now,
I'm not a marine park guy, but I understand the
appeal for kids that you're opening their eyes to, you know,
a broader world. So that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Kids love diraffs.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
But I'd go broader world rather than small world. How
about that tie, because it's a small world after all.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Wow, put a bow on the whole thing. All right. Uh,
thank you to Gary for that wonderful question. Thank you
to Tyler.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
And stay away from Hollywood. By the way, if you're
going out to La, don't do don't do the Walk
of Fame, don't do the whatever it's called Gramman's Chinese Theater.
Hollywood's terrible. There are great parts of LA. There are
great parts of southern California. Hollywood specifically, it's like Times Square.
There is just don't do it. Don't go for a hike,
go for Santa Monica, go for anywhere, go for Carlsbad,

(01:08:05):
Go to Griffith Park, the La Zoo, go to a
Dodger game. There's a ton to do that's super fun.
Stay away from Hollywood. It's terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
All right, there you go. Wow, Okay, coming in hot here.
I like it. Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Go to Amoba Records.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Amiba Records sounds beautiful. Thank you everybody who chimed in.
We have a bunch more questions that we did not
get to. We're going to save up some of these
and we'll include those part of our upcoming bonus episodes.
So if you didn't hear your question today, we got
about two dozen of them. Maybe we'll try to go
rapid fire through them on the bonus episode a little

(01:08:40):
bit later on this week, next couple episodes, we're gonna
be talking Florida with a good friend, Gator Dave. He's
going to stop by a little bit later on this week.
We'll have that. We've also got a conversation I think
coming up. We want to talk about this game draft
that we read about on the athletic seems a ton
of fun, So we're gonna work up something.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
That's TV network drafting games to be more.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Specific, correct, Yes, Scott Document wrote an article about that,
so we want to talk about that process and try
to understand that a little bit more since you and
I both found interesting. Yeah, we're gonna be rampant things
up here. Still two episodes a week, but getting a
little bit closer to the twenty twenty five season. Once
we start talking July, Dan, then we start talking previews.

(01:09:27):
So if anybody out there has suggestions for what we
can do to improve the previews to make it more
valuable for you, the trusted Verballer, we'd love to hear that.
Hit us up on social media soliverbal at gmail dot com,
or of course you can go to Verballers dot com
if you want more of the bonus stuff and to
support more directly the stuff that Dan and I are doing. Correct,

(01:09:50):
why don't we leave it there, big thanks again to
everybody who chimed in. Happy June to you and yours
for that guy over there, my good friend Danrew see myself,
Tie Hume Brad talk you also stays out please m
mhm

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