October 14, 2024 • 23 mins
If you're like us, the first thing your 7 year old self did in the morning was pour a bowl of Lucky Charms and sit down in front of the tube to feast on an oh so satisfying array of animatied mania. We gorged on Looney Toons, Warner Bros, Sid & Marty Krofft, Hanna Barbera and topped it off with some Ren & Stimpy. The real question is, what cocktail of drugs were those writers on?! Must've been good...
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I'm Tony. I'm Eric. We are the sons of San Fernando.But we've been friends for over 40 years. And
grew up together in the San Fernando Valley.These are the stories of our experiences as
adventurous Gen X latchkey slackers from backin the day. And don't forget to hit the follow
or subscribe button so you don't miss an episode.
(00:25):
I love a Donkey Kong. I love a Donkey Kong Jr.I love- Is this what you spend your weekends
doing? Have you ever noticed the naked indigenouswoman on the Topo Chico box? She's got some-
Never noticed this before. She's got some seriousside boob going on. What is happening? No,
she's got some major side boob. Hold on. Whatthe fuck? How is this happening?
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I cannot believe this is a real like they'restill putting a naked indigenous woman who
looks so white But just with like brown skinon an anatole bochico Case wait, she looks
like somebody holding that something let metake a look Yeah, she looks like a nelpe cruise
Meets samahayek meets yes I was gonna say, um,is she sniffing something? It looks like she's
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huffing some like the water from the topo. Itlooks like she's saying, I think she's huffing
something. She's not huffing anything. Um, thisis what all I have to say is I got it. I'm
calling Coca-Cola company and telling them thattheir topo Chico cases are racist. You know,
what else is pretty fucking racist? What's racist?Cartoons. Oh dude, the early Warner Brothers
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cartoons? Yeah. Oh my god! The way Native Americansare depicted in the early Warner Brothers cartoons,
it's banana. And then you have like, oh my god,like African American depictions in like Disney
cartoons, early cartoons. I mean, Mickey Mousehimself, let's tell the truth here. Yeah. Let's
tell the truth. It's pretty dark. Mickey Mouseis a racist figure. Mouse. He's a racist mouse.
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I mean, all of those early cartoons, they stemfrom a lot of racist tropes. And we watched
all of them, not knowing that, of course. Wewere children. We were exposed. Yes, we were
exposed. We were totally exposed. We were exposed.We were overexposed. To a lot of violence and
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racism in early cartoon. I mean. Oh, the violencewas fantastic though. Oh, brutal, okay. Come
on, anvils falling on people's heads. That'sgood shit. That's great shit. The violence
was not the problem. The racism was maybe alittle more problematic. You could actually
probably trace all the violence back to oneplace for all the old cartoons. Tom and Jerry.
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Because I think they... Was Acme an actual company?Probably not, but they supplied the Coyote.
Yeah, I know, the Coyote's getting all his shitfrom Acme. Yeah, and you know all the other
cartoons, all the other cartoon characters aregetting from Acme too, even if they didn't
tell you. All the bombs, all the contraptions.Which they riff on that a little bit in Who
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Framed Roger Rabbit. Oh yeah, that's right,yeah. But okay, so. Brilliant, brilliant movie
by the way. Who Framed Roger Ravan. Yes. Oh,I mean so smart. Again, not sure how that would
play in 2024. That's probably not so well. Notso well. What do you remember early, early
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cartoons sitting in front of the idiot box?I was never a Disney guy when I was a kid.
I was all Warner Brothers. all the time. Giveme a bunny whose name is Bugs and a duck whose
name is Daffy. I don't want no fucking DonaldDuck. Looney mother fucking tunes. Donald Duck
is garbage. Donald Duck cannot be understood.Donald Duck needs speech therapy. Okay? That's
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what Donald Duck needs. I don't need to listento that bullshit. Daffy wasn't exact. Actually,
think about speech impediments. Sylvester? Philveth-er?Okay, can we just give a moment of silence
and reverence to Daffy? You're about to go blank.Mel mother fucking blank. Blank blank blank.
Mel Blanc. That guy was a genius. Nobody willever fill those shoes. Never. Never be filled.
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Greatest of all time. You talk about what'shis name from Family Guy. Nothing compared
to. Great. But you're talking about the goat.The goat. Mel's the goat. The G-O-A-T. The
goat. I don't like saying goat by the way. I'mgonna take that and we're gonna just. Not what
do you think? Stupid But though but he was thegreatest of all time right Mel Blanc was the
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greatest of all time But there were a lot ofyes, you had a lot of a lot of speech a lot
of speech Challenged bugs by the way was clearlyfrom some northeastern port town. He was like
Long Island. You know, somewhere I saw and Ican't remember Mel was being interviewed by
Johnny Carson and explained like the combinationof voices, how we put that together. Yeah,
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that's actually how specifically. Yeah, andit's been being a voice actor. Right. It's
one of those things that is taught over andover again about how to put together different.
Yeah, no, it's like the way he did it. The wayhe did it, the way he put together different
characters to make that kind of character. Oh,and it's brilliant. I mean, Bugs Bunny is an
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amazing, amazing character. And Daffy Duck,come on, Daffy Duck and Bugs together, I mean,
it is Martin and Lewis to the nth degree. Itis a better comic combination than has been
done anywhere else. Well, I mean. And it's thesame guy. Good guy, bad guy. Good guy, bad
guy. I mean, because Daffy is a bad guy. I mean,he's a- Well, he's a selfish guy. He's a selfish
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guy. You can relate to him. He's not Elmer Fuddbad or Yosemite Sam bad. Even Elmer Fudd! You
can relate to all these guys. They all havetheir- Dude, how many times did Elmer Fudd's
double barrel, like banana peel back at him,like every day, with a finger in the shotgun.
I love the finger in the shot. That's brilliant.The simplicity. of those early cartoons, it
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was just like, how many different ways couldthe Coyote get fucked in half by the Roadrunner?
Fucked in half, that's a good, that's a goodphrase. I mean, if I could count, if I had
a nickel. By the way, how much money, firstof all, how, what is the Coyote doing where
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he has the money to spend? To get fucked inhalf? No, he's buying all the stuff from Acme,
right? Yeah. What does the guy, what'd he do?Here's a question. No, I know he was a super
genius. He was a super genius. So does thatpay well? Apparently very well. I mean, we've
seen Bond movies. I mean, this is before Amazon.He's getting the stuff shipped to him. That's
what I was gonna ask. Where is he getting from?You know, it must've been mail order catalogs.
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Which leads you to believe that if he neededto buy the rocket. Yeah, it's black market.
The strap to the back rocket, right? So he'sgotta go to the mail order catalog. He's gotta.
mail away the amount that he needs and a checkin the mail order catalog and then wait about,
what, three weeks? Two weeks? Probably threeweeks. Because the letters gotta get there.
They gotta mail the thing back and then he getsit. This is like- He's being shipped ground.
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He's not like two day error. He has a lot of,he has a lot of patience and resilience. Yeah,
he's way too good. This is a character thatwe should all admire. There's not a lot to
do in the desert. He's got a lot of time onhis hands. Here's the other thing. Freaking
Roadrunner's kind of a dick. Yeah, he's alwaysgot that smirk on his face. The meep meep,
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I don't like it. I would like to see the coyotewreck. He should bring it back for one episode
and just the coyote wins. Where he wrecks theRoadrunner and blows him to bits. Looney Tunes,
Warner Brothers cartoons, were a big deal. Wehad Tweety and Sylvester. Okay, but then we
morph into, which was for our childhood. Sidand Marty Croft. Hannah Barbera. Okay, we just
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had two different things. Yeah, we did. Well,let's talk about Sidney Parker from Roddy Cross
was earlier than Hanna Barbera. Right. Oh no,they're about the same time probably. Let's
go to Hanna Barbera first. Okay, Hanna Barbera.You got your snaggle puss. Snaggle puss. Oh
my good lord. Exit stage right. That's right.And then... And then what else did he say to
something else? Heavens to Megatron. Right?That was Snagglepuss. That's right. He was
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kind of a Pink Panther of his own right. Yeah,yeah, yeah. He was kind of a riff on the Pink
Panther. He was like a speaking Pink Panther.Because Pink Panther never spoke, right? He
didn't speak. Not to my knowledge. No, he didn'tspeak. Yeah, yeah, because we have the old
Pink Panther in Inspector cartoons also. Ging,ging, ging. That's right. While our parents
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had the movies, we had the cartoons. They weregood too. Those were good. Okay, so you had,
wait, were those Hannah Barbera too? I don'tknow, I have to look back. They might have
been. Who else was? Was Rocky and Bow-winkle,Bow-winkle? I know, but let's just talk for
a moment about a flying squirrel and a moose.And Natasha and... And, oh, can you get it?
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Boris. Yes, Boris and Natasha. Yeah. By theway, perfect, you got... the Russians against
a- A moose and a squirrel. That makes perfectsense. Just like today. Perfect sense. Just
like it's the same as it is now. The same astoday, yeah. Yeah, it has not, nothing's changed.
Russians against a moose and a squirrel. Yes,and honestly, those were good too. I mean,
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I didn't- Oh, and Dudley Do-Right? Oh yeah,Dudley Do- Oh, and Tom Slick. Do-do-do-do-do-do.
Tom Slick. In the thunderbolt, we slap her whenhe's on your tail. We won't hesitate, because
you know there's no such word as fail too. TomSlick. Okay, that was good. Okay, you wanna
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talk about the inside? Super chicken. Oh, ohyeah. When you find yourself in danger, when
you get your nipple eyes a-kicken, there isno one else to turn to, when there's no one
else to turn to, call for super chicken. Callfor super chicken. And then, Okay. Then, Oh
wait. Doong doong doong. George, George of thejungle, strong as he can be. Oh! Dun dun dun.
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Watch out for that tree!
That's what that was. Those were good. See,this is good. And then. When he got. No, well,
we were. We developed into older people, asone does. Yeah. As people do. And cartoons
evolved into far more gnarly. Strange. Explicitand strange cartoons. So we're talking the
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Sid and Marty Croft. Oh, no, that's earlier.That's okay. I want to go I want to run and
stimpy Okay, no, I'm gonna go back for a secondbecause you want to talk about go ahead because
I'm curious to hear what you guys I'm sick asfucking mushroom acid trip as Ren and Stimpy
was Oh sit in my HR motherfucking puffin stuffThat was yesterday come and play with me Jimmy
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come and play with me and I will take you ona trip far across the sea The boat began to
drift, the boat was gone. The beautiful boatwas gone. Remember? Right? It's a super acid
drip. That's exactly even the song. Dude, butthat whole fucking show. And then, HR puffin'
stuff. Where to go when things get rough. HRpuffin' stuff. Oh, I love that show. But complete
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craziness. It was like a hammer. It was a bitdry. It was a dry. He was a hamburger dragon.
A ham dragon. He was a hamburger. He was a hamdragon. He was a dram burger. A dram. He was
a big talking hamburger. He was a dram burger.We had the big boots. He had big boots. He
had nice boots. Did he have boots? RememberWitchy Poo? Ah, dude, Witchy Poo was great.
She had the vroom vroom. The vroom vroom. Shewas a motorized bro. Yeah, she had the, yeah.
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That's pretty rad. It was like a post-art orsomething like that. I, I. But Jimmy the Flute,
a talking flute for the love of God. Playedby, I love that guy. Here's the thing. And
then Cling and Clang, the little dudes on the,like the. Can I tell you a weird memory that
I've never really told anyone? Are you comfortablewith this at
this point? I gotta go into it now, yeah. Allright, I really wanted to be Jimmy. I was like,
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I idolized Jimmy in age of British lad. Youwanted to be a young, skinny British lad with
a bad haircut? Yes. He had a bowl cut. He hada Davey Jones. He had Davey Jones or a Beatles
cut. Yeah, totally. I don't know. I don't knowwhy, but I idolized Jimmy. He was like such
an innocent dude. And he had a cockney accent.Yeah, he did. Which you gotta love. You know
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what I mean? I think it was Dodger in OliverTwist, the movie. He played the artful Dodger,
same actor. Which was your favorite of the Sidand Marty Croft? because I have a favorite.
And well, I think H.R. Pref is up to me, butthen I have a second favorite. Land of the
Lost. Oh dude, Land of the Lost was also cropped.Marshall, Will and Holly, on a routine expedition,
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and the greatest earthquake of them all. Lidsville.The Bugaloos. The Buggaloos. They had the best
theme songs back then. They're in the air andeverywhere, flying by. A lot of things, Lizville
was in the air too. A lot of flying, a lot offantasy. The Hatter was like a Mad Hatter with
Charles Nelson Riley. Oh dude, Charles NelsonRiley. Dude, hello, Sigmund the motherfucking
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sea monster. Sea monster, oh my God, okay. Sigmundthe sea monster and Johnny and Scott are friends.
Fuck me sideways. Sid and Marty... Okay, genius.By the way, none of these are cartoons. No,
no, they're all live action. They're all liveaction. I mean, Sid and Marty Croft, I don't
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know, they must've created new fucking drugs.They were on acid. They were on some fucking
cocktail. They were on the peony acid cocktailability. And thank God, because they entertained
the shit out of us for years. Sigmund the SeaMonster 2 was like, it was like the most low...
budget costumes. Dude, that sea monster? Yeah.It was some little person in a sea monster
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costume. Probably Billy Barty. It was probablyBilly because he got all the gigs. You know
what? I can look that up. Billy Barty got allthe gigs. He did. He got every gig. Time bandits
and everything. I guarantee. I will bet. I'llbet you right. No, because you won't take the
bet. Because you know it was Billy Barty. Itwasn't even Billy Barty. Of course it was Billy
Barty. I bet he had $8 million. So it was BillyBarty. I'm Billy. How did he get every little
person gig that existed? in 19, like from 1965to 1980, it was only Billy Marty. You know
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why? Why? He sold Sid and Marty Kravitz thedrugs. He sold them their assets. He was the
dealer. Yeah, he was the dealer. Yeah, thatmakes sense though. That makes sense. Of course
he's gonna get to be in the Sigmund the SeaMonster outfit. So then you- Either that or
it was like an eight year old, because backthen there weren't as many labor laws for children.
But apparently there was still more- There arestill more drugs after that for the producers
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of these cartoons because then we get into theRen and Stimpy days. Yes, the Ren and Stimpy.
Which John Crick, full year's Eve. Was thatlike the 90s? Oh my God, John Kay. That was
the 90s, right? That was the early 90s. Early90s, yeah. And that was sort of the end of
like your average sort of like hand drawn cartoonswas Ren and Stimpy. Now, Ren and Stimpy was
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the, and for us at that age, so now we're inthe early 90s, we're in our early 20s. That
shit was wild. And it was perfect because Idon't know about you, but I was just a stoner.
Yeah, well, I wasn't a stoner, but it still,it fit the bill. It was the per- you'd sit
there with a sleeve of Oreo double-stuffs anda bong. How did you eat your Oreos? Did you
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split them? Or did you bite them? For a double-stuff,I just went straight in. I didn't even split.
Well, double-stuff, yes. If you're into thedouble-stuff, then you could just bite straight
down. If you've got a single stuff, which isnot what they were called. Yeah, then you gotta
twist. Originals. You twist. You eat. And youtwist and lick. No, oh, that's disgusting.
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Did you ever twist and lick? I didn't lick.I'm not a twist and licker. No. No, I did not
twist and lick. What I did was I twisted, tookoff the just cookie side, ate the cookie first
in just like I want to get this over with, andthen would eat the stuff plus cookie half.
See now I would take an Oreo and I'd twist itand... You're a licker? I would lick the icing
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and then I would take the side that didn't havethe icing and I would crush it up and I would
snort that. That's good. That I can get behind.And then I would watch Ren and Stimpy. It would
sort of set the tone for all modern cartoonsthat were irreverent and like I don't think
Family Guy exists without Ren and Stimpy. Oreven more modern ones like... I don't think
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that... A big mouth. Yeah. Okay, so John Mulaneyand all those guys and Coco Nutsworth. Coco
Nutsworth does some great voices in that. Well,Nick Kroll does some. Nick Kroll and Coco Nutsworth.
Is really like... He's the brain. Yeah. He'sthe brain. You'd think it was Kroll and Mulaney,
but it's really nice. Yeah, Mulaney and Krollare nothing without Coco Nutsworth. Coco Nutsworth
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makes that, without him, they're nothing. Thoseguys are brilliant. But again. That was all
based, it was all trailblazed. By Ren and fuckingStimpy. Where was that on? Where was that broadcast?
I don't remember. I can't remember how you watchedthat. Cause I remember, you know, there was
the, what was the name of the MTV show wherethey showed like, adult, oh, Adult Swim. What
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was the name of that show? It was late night.With the girl who was like the woman who was
the vigilante. What was it? She was like alllike Spider-Woman-y looking. Aeon Flux. Aeon
Flux! Yes! By the way, I was so excited whenthey did a live action movie of that. Wait,
they did? Charlize Theron. How was it? Dude,first of all, did you just whip by Charlize
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Theron without like taking a... a pause forher. What kind of pause do you need? You think,
Ant-Flox, right? Yeah. How great was that cartoon?Great. fucking spies, she could do fucking
everything. She had like 12 foot legs. Oh, itwas amazing. So you think you're gonna do a
live action movie with Charlize Theron, it'sgonna be like, oh my God, it sucked the biggest
donkey balls ever. It was fucking terrible.You can't do that, Michael. Not her fault,
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it was just shit. Right, it was so much betteras a cartoon. But that was like, yeah, that
was on like some, it was like Midnight or somethinglike that. Yeah, it was on like Midnight, it
was Adult Swim. That was a great show. A lotof really groundbreaking animation happening
on that show. We don't have stuff like thatanymore. Well, a lot of that stuff happened
late at night like robot chicken. Oh, yeah,robot chicken. That's another one. I mean,
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robot chicken is fucking genius. I think theonly other like really groundbreaking animation
after Ren and Stimpy and then it was like it'sall the same after that to some degree better
or worse was of course South Park. That waslike, that was a big ground breaker. And that
was mid nineties. And you know what, you knowwhat? And all of us got a videotape. I remember
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like everybody, did you get the videotape? Weall did, right? The Christmas episode. How
did that happen? Where it was like everybodygot the videotape of the Christmas episode.
George Clooney as the dog. Yeah. Jesus versusSanta Claus. Yeah. And like, I remember watching
that at CalArts and being like, oh my. God,like, who made this? But how did we get the
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VHS? Everybody was circulating a VHS tape. Itjust, it spread like a fucking virus. Isn't
that weird? And then it got picked up by whoeverpicked it up. I don't know. I just remember
them, like, Jesus and Santa being in a fightand somebody yelling, you fucking pussy! Yeah,
I mean, their heads getting blown off and seeingthe spinal cord coming up out of their necks.
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Now, again, you go back to, we've seen the violencefrom- The Bugs Bunny cartoons. It goes back
to the anvil on the head. The best thing aboutSouth Park was they didn't give a shit. It
didn't matter. But that's why though. That'swhy it's so great because nobody was off limits.
So here's the thing though. And by the way,I think it's still going. Is it really? Well
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we didn't talk about The Simpsons either. Wait,we gotta talk about The Simpsons. We do, we
have to go back and talk about The Simpsons.That motherfucker is still, they're still making
new, god damn. Simpsons. It has been 30, 40.You'd think they would run out. And by the
way. They're heading towards 40 years. But howfunny is it, you know, they keep going back.
The Simpsons, they say they can tell the future.Oh, they do. They do. They totally do. Often
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tell the future. They predicted Trump's presidency.They've predicted so many things. How many
things like that? I mean, you talk about cartoonsthat stand the test of time. Or that test the
stand of time. How high is the stand? Sorry,go ahead. Is it a hot dog stand? It's a hot
dog stand. And it's delicious. What do you likeon your hot dogs, by the way? I like them wrapped
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in bacon. Oh, dude, do you eat street meat whenyou come out of concerts in Los Angeles? See,
there's always a street meat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.There's always street. They say it so quickly.
Do you eat the street meat? Hot dog, hot dog,hot dog, hot dog, hot dog, hot dog, hot dog.
I don't hear it that way, but I'm gonna letthat slide. I love the smell. of a nice beef
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frank. A nice beef frank, wrapped in bacon,with onions sizzling on the side, and then
I think, I'm gonna get one of those. And didyou have you? No, because I think of. the lava
flow that will come out of my butthole the nextday. What is it? They're buying, they're buying
Franks, they're buying bacon, they're puttingit on a grill. What's gonna happen? They're
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not doing, I'm gonna, next time I go to a goddamnconcert, I'm gonna buy one and eat one. I've
never done it. I'm sick of waiting. It was niceknowing you. And I will let you know how it
goes. Yeah, that's the ending. I can tell youright now, it's gonna be the best goddamn experience
of my life.
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I'm Tony. I'm Eric. We are the sons of San Fernando.But we've been friends for over 40 years. And
grew up together in the San Fernando Valley.These are the stories of our experiences as
adventurous Gen X latchkey slackers from backin the day. And don't forget to hit the follow
or subscribe button so you don't miss an episode.
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I love a Donkey Kong. I love a Donkey Kong Jr.I love- Is this what you spend your weekends
doing? Have you ever noticed the naked indigenouswoman on the Topo Chico box? She's got some-
Never noticed this before. She's got some seriousside boob going on. What is happening? No,
she's got some major side boob. Hold on. Whatthe fuck? How is this happening?
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I cannot believe this is a real like they'restill putting a naked indigenous woman who
looks so white But just with like brown skinon an anatole bochico Case wait, she looks
like somebody holding that something let metake a look Yeah, she looks like a nelpe cruise
Meets samahayek meets yes I was gonna say, um,is she sniffing something? It looks like she's
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huffing some like the water from the topo. Itlooks like she's saying, I think she's huffing
something. She's not huffing anything. Um, thisis what all I have to say is I got it. I'm
calling Coca-Cola company and telling them thattheir topo Chico cases are racist. You know,
what else is pretty fucking racist? What's racist?Cartoons. Oh dude, the early Warner Brothers
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cartoons? Yeah. Oh my god! The way Native Americansare depicted in the early Warner Brothers cartoons,
it's banana. And then you have like, oh my god,like African American depictions in like Disney
cartoons, early cartoons. I mean, Mickey Mousehimself, let's tell the truth here. Yeah. Let's
tell the truth. It's pretty dark. Mickey Mouseis a racist figure. Mouse. He's a racist mouse.
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I mean, all of those early cartoons, they stemfrom a lot of racist tropes. And we watched
all of them, not knowing that, of course. Wewere children. We were exposed. Yes, we were
exposed. We were totally exposed. We were exposed.We were overexposed. To a lot of violence and
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racism in early cartoon. I mean. Oh, the violencewas fantastic though. Oh, brutal, okay. Come
on, anvils falling on people's heads. That'sgood shit. That's great shit. The violence
was not the problem. The racism was maybe alittle more problematic. You could actually
probably trace all the violence back to oneplace for all the old cartoons. Tom and Jerry.
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Because I think they... Was Acme an actual company?Probably not, but they supplied the Coyote.
Yeah, I know, the Coyote's getting all his shitfrom Acme. Yeah, and you know all the other
cartoons, all the other cartoon characters aregetting from Acme too, even if they didn't
tell you. All the bombs, all the contraptions.Which they riff on that a little bit in Who
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Framed Roger Rabbit. Oh yeah, that's right,yeah. But okay, so. Brilliant, brilliant movie
by the way. Who Framed Roger Ravan. Yes. Oh,I mean so smart. Again, not sure how that would
play in 2024. That's probably not so well. Notso well. What do you remember early, early
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cartoons sitting in front of the idiot box?I was never a Disney guy when I was a kid.
I was all Warner Brothers. all the time. Giveme a bunny whose name is Bugs and a duck whose
name is Daffy. I don't want no fucking DonaldDuck. Looney mother fucking tunes. Donald Duck
is garbage. Donald Duck cannot be understood.Donald Duck needs speech therapy. Okay? That's
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what Donald Duck needs. I don't need to listento that bullshit. Daffy wasn't exact. Actually,
think about speech impediments. Sylvester? Philveth-er?Okay, can we just give a moment of silence
and reverence to Daffy? You're about to go blank.Mel mother fucking blank. Blank blank blank.
Mel Blanc. That guy was a genius. Nobody willever fill those shoes. Never. Never be filled.
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Greatest of all time. You talk about what'shis name from Family Guy. Nothing compared
to. Great. But you're talking about the goat.The goat. Mel's the goat. The G-O-A-T. The
goat. I don't like saying goat by the way. I'mgonna take that and we're gonna just. Not what
do you think? Stupid But though but he was thegreatest of all time right Mel Blanc was the
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greatest of all time But there were a lot ofyes, you had a lot of a lot of speech a lot
of speech Challenged bugs by the way was clearlyfrom some northeastern port town. He was like
Long Island. You know, somewhere I saw and Ican't remember Mel was being interviewed by
Johnny Carson and explained like the combinationof voices, how we put that together. Yeah,
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that's actually how specifically. Yeah, andit's been being a voice actor. Right. It's
one of those things that is taught over andover again about how to put together different.
Yeah, no, it's like the way he did it. The wayhe did it, the way he put together different
characters to make that kind of character. Oh,and it's brilliant. I mean, Bugs Bunny is an
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amazing, amazing character. And Daffy Duck,come on, Daffy Duck and Bugs together, I mean,
it is Martin and Lewis to the nth degree. Itis a better comic combination than has been
done anywhere else. Well, I mean. And it's thesame guy. Good guy, bad guy. Good guy, bad
guy. I mean, because Daffy is a bad guy. I mean,he's a- Well, he's a selfish guy. He's a selfish
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guy. You can relate to him. He's not Elmer Fuddbad or Yosemite Sam bad. Even Elmer Fudd! You
can relate to all these guys. They all havetheir- Dude, how many times did Elmer Fudd's
double barrel, like banana peel back at him,like every day, with a finger in the shotgun.
I love the finger in the shot. That's brilliant.The simplicity. of those early cartoons, it
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was just like, how many different ways couldthe Coyote get fucked in half by the Roadrunner?
Fucked in half, that's a good, that's a goodphrase. I mean, if I could count, if I had
a nickel. By the way, how much money, firstof all, how, what is the Coyote doing where
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he has the money to spend? To get fucked inhalf? No, he's buying all the stuff from Acme,
right? Yeah. What does the guy, what'd he do?Here's a question. No, I know he was a super
genius. He was a super genius. So does thatpay well? Apparently very well. I mean, we've
seen Bond movies. I mean, this is before Amazon.He's getting the stuff shipped to him. That's
what I was gonna ask. Where is he getting from?You know, it must've been mail order catalogs.
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Which leads you to believe that if he neededto buy the rocket. Yeah, it's black market.
The strap to the back rocket, right? So he'sgotta go to the mail order catalog. He's gotta.
mail away the amount that he needs and a checkin the mail order catalog and then wait about,
what, three weeks? Two weeks? Probably threeweeks. Because the letters gotta get there.
They gotta mail the thing back and then he getsit. This is like- He's being shipped ground.
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He's not like two day error. He has a lot of,he has a lot of patience and resilience. Yeah,
he's way too good. This is a character thatwe should all admire. There's not a lot to
do in the desert. He's got a lot of time onhis hands. Here's the other thing. Freaking
Roadrunner's kind of a dick. Yeah, he's alwaysgot that smirk on his face. The meep meep,
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I don't like it. I would like to see the coyotewreck. He should bring it back for one episode
and just the coyote wins. Where he wrecks theRoadrunner and blows him to bits. Looney Tunes,
Warner Brothers cartoons, were a big deal. Wehad Tweety and Sylvester. Okay, but then we
morph into, which was for our childhood. Sidand Marty Croft. Hannah Barbera. Okay, we just
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had two different things. Yeah, we did. Well,let's talk about Sidney Parker from Roddy Cross
was earlier than Hanna Barbera. Right. Oh no,they're about the same time probably. Let's
go to Hanna Barbera first. Okay, Hanna Barbera.You got your snaggle puss. Snaggle puss. Oh
my good lord. Exit stage right. That's right.And then... And then what else did he say to
something else? Heavens to Megatron. Right?That was Snagglepuss. That's right. He was
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kind of a Pink Panther of his own right. Yeah,yeah, yeah. He was kind of a riff on the Pink
Panther. He was like a speaking Pink Panther.Because Pink Panther never spoke, right? He
didn't speak. Not to my knowledge. No, he didn'tspeak. Yeah, yeah, because we have the old
Pink Panther in Inspector cartoons also. Ging,ging, ging. That's right. While our parents
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had the movies, we had the cartoons. They weregood too. Those were good. Okay, so you had,
wait, were those Hannah Barbera too? I don'tknow, I have to look back. They might have
been. Who else was? Was Rocky and Bow-winkle,Bow-winkle? I know, but let's just talk for
a moment about a flying squirrel and a moose.And Natasha and... And, oh, can you get it?
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Boris. Yes, Boris and Natasha. Yeah. By theway, perfect, you got... the Russians against
a- A moose and a squirrel. That makes perfectsense. Just like today. Perfect sense. Just
like it's the same as it is now. The same astoday, yeah. Yeah, it has not, nothing's changed.
Russians against a moose and a squirrel. Yes,and honestly, those were good too. I mean,
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I didn't- Oh, and Dudley Do-Right? Oh yeah,Dudley Do- Oh, and Tom Slick. Do-do-do-do-do-do.
Tom Slick. In the thunderbolt, we slap her whenhe's on your tail. We won't hesitate, because
you know there's no such word as fail too. TomSlick. Okay, that was good. Okay, you wanna
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talk about the inside? Super chicken. Oh, ohyeah. When you find yourself in danger, when
you get your nipple eyes a-kicken, there isno one else to turn to, when there's no one
else to turn to, call for super chicken. Callfor super chicken. And then, Okay. Then, Oh
wait. Doong doong doong. George, George of thejungle, strong as he can be. Oh! Dun dun dun.
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Watch out for that tree!
That's what that was. Those were good. See,this is good. And then. When he got. No, well,
we were. We developed into older people, asone does. Yeah. As people do. And cartoons
evolved into far more gnarly. Strange. Explicitand strange cartoons. So we're talking the
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Sid and Marty Croft. Oh, no, that's earlier.That's okay. I want to go I want to run and
stimpy Okay, no, I'm gonna go back for a secondbecause you want to talk about go ahead because
I'm curious to hear what you guys I'm sick asfucking mushroom acid trip as Ren and Stimpy
was Oh sit in my HR motherfucking puffin stuffThat was yesterday come and play with me Jimmy
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come and play with me and I will take you ona trip far across the sea The boat began to
drift, the boat was gone. The beautiful boatwas gone. Remember? Right? It's a super acid
drip. That's exactly even the song. Dude, butthat whole fucking show. And then, HR puffin'
stuff. Where to go when things get rough. HRpuffin' stuff. Oh, I love that show. But complete
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craziness. It was like a hammer. It was a bitdry. It was a dry. He was a hamburger dragon.
A ham dragon. He was a hamburger. He was a hamdragon. He was a dram burger. A dram. He was
a big talking hamburger. He was a dram burger.We had the big boots. He had big boots. He
had nice boots. Did he have boots? RememberWitchy Poo? Ah, dude, Witchy Poo was great.
She had the vroom vroom. The vroom vroom. Shewas a motorized bro. Yeah, she had the, yeah.
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That's pretty rad. It was like a post-art orsomething like that. I, I. But Jimmy the Flute,
a talking flute for the love of God. Playedby, I love that guy. Here's the thing. And
then Cling and Clang, the little dudes on the,like the. Can I tell you a weird memory that
I've never really told anyone? Are you comfortablewith this at
this point? I gotta go into it now, yeah. Allright, I really wanted to be Jimmy. I was like,
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I idolized Jimmy in age of British lad. Youwanted to be a young, skinny British lad with
a bad haircut? Yes. He had a bowl cut. He hada Davey Jones. He had Davey Jones or a Beatles
cut. Yeah, totally. I don't know. I don't knowwhy, but I idolized Jimmy. He was like such
an innocent dude. And he had a cockney accent.Yeah, he did. Which you gotta love. You know
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what I mean? I think it was Dodger in OliverTwist, the movie. He played the artful Dodger,
same actor. Which was your favorite of the Sidand Marty Croft? because I have a favorite.
And well, I think H.R. Pref is up to me, butthen I have a second favorite. Land of the
Lost. Oh dude, Land of the Lost was also cropped.Marshall, Will and Holly, on a routine expedition,
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and the greatest earthquake of them all. Lidsville.The Bugaloos. The Buggaloos. They had the best
theme songs back then. They're in the air andeverywhere, flying by. A lot of things, Lizville
was in the air too. A lot of flying, a lot offantasy. The Hatter was like a Mad Hatter with
Charles Nelson Riley. Oh dude, Charles NelsonRiley. Dude, hello, Sigmund the motherfucking
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sea monster. Sea monster, oh my God, okay. Sigmundthe sea monster and Johnny and Scott are friends.
Fuck me sideways. Sid and Marty... Okay, genius.By the way, none of these are cartoons. No,
no, they're all live action. They're all liveaction. I mean, Sid and Marty Croft, I don't
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know, they must've created new fucking drugs.They were on acid. They were on some fucking
cocktail. They were on the peony acid cocktailability. And thank God, because they entertained
the shit out of us for years. Sigmund the SeaMonster 2 was like, it was like the most low...
budget costumes. Dude, that sea monster? Yeah.It was some little person in a sea monster
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costume. Probably Billy Barty. It was probablyBilly because he got all the gigs. You know
what? I can look that up. Billy Barty got allthe gigs. He did. He got every gig. Time bandits
and everything. I guarantee. I will bet. I'llbet you right. No, because you won't take the
bet. Because you know it was Billy Barty. Itwasn't even Billy Barty. Of course it was Billy
Barty. I bet he had $8 million. So it was BillyBarty. I'm Billy. How did he get every little
person gig that existed? in 19, like from 1965to 1980, it was only Billy Marty. You know
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why? Why? He sold Sid and Marty Kravitz thedrugs. He sold them their assets. He was the
dealer. Yeah, he was the dealer. Yeah, thatmakes sense though. That makes sense. Of course
he's gonna get to be in the Sigmund the SeaMonster outfit. So then you- Either that or
it was like an eight year old, because backthen there weren't as many labor laws for children.
But apparently there was still more- There arestill more drugs after that for the producers
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of these cartoons because then we get into theRen and Stimpy days. Yes, the Ren and Stimpy.
Which John Crick, full year's Eve. Was thatlike the 90s? Oh my God, John Kay. That was
the 90s, right? That was the early 90s. Early90s, yeah. And that was sort of the end of
like your average sort of like hand drawn cartoonswas Ren and Stimpy. Now, Ren and Stimpy was
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the, and for us at that age, so now we're inthe early 90s, we're in our early 20s. That
shit was wild. And it was perfect because Idon't know about you, but I was just a stoner.
Yeah, well, I wasn't a stoner, but it still,it fit the bill. It was the per- you'd sit
there with a sleeve of Oreo double-stuffs anda bong. How did you eat your Oreos? Did you
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split them? Or did you bite them? For a double-stuff,I just went straight in. I didn't even split.
Well, double-stuff, yes. If you're into thedouble-stuff, then you could just bite straight
down. If you've got a single stuff, which isnot what they were called. Yeah, then you gotta
twist. Originals. You twist. You eat. And youtwist and lick. No, oh, that's disgusting.
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Did you ever twist and lick? I didn't lick.I'm not a twist and licker. No. No, I did not
twist and lick. What I did was I twisted, tookoff the just cookie side, ate the cookie first
in just like I want to get this over with, andthen would eat the stuff plus cookie half.
See now I would take an Oreo and I'd twist itand... You're a licker? I would lick the icing
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and then I would take the side that didn't havethe icing and I would crush it up and I would
snort that. That's good. That I can get behind.And then I would watch Ren and Stimpy. It would
sort of set the tone for all modern cartoonsthat were irreverent and like I don't think
Family Guy exists without Ren and Stimpy. Oreven more modern ones like... I don't think
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that... A big mouth. Yeah. Okay, so John Mulaneyand all those guys and Coco Nutsworth. Coco
Nutsworth does some great voices in that. Well,Nick Kroll does some. Nick Kroll and Coco Nutsworth.
Is really like... He's the brain. Yeah. He'sthe brain. You'd think it was Kroll and Mulaney,
but it's really nice. Yeah, Mulaney and Krollare nothing without Coco Nutsworth. Coco Nutsworth
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makes that, without him, they're nothing. Thoseguys are brilliant. But again. That was all
based, it was all trailblazed. By Ren and fuckingStimpy. Where was that on? Where was that broadcast?
I don't remember. I can't remember how you watchedthat. Cause I remember, you know, there was
the, what was the name of the MTV show wherethey showed like, adult, oh, Adult Swim. What
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was the name of that show? It was late night.With the girl who was like the woman who was
the vigilante. What was it? She was like alllike Spider-Woman-y looking. Aeon Flux. Aeon
Flux! Yes! By the way, I was so excited whenthey did a live action movie of that. Wait,
they did? Charlize Theron. How was it? Dude,first of all, did you just whip by Charlize
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Theron without like taking a... a pause forher. What kind of pause do you need? You think,
Ant-Flox, right? Yeah. How great was that cartoon?Great. fucking spies, she could do fucking
everything. She had like 12 foot legs. Oh, itwas amazing. So you think you're gonna do a
live action movie with Charlize Theron, it'sgonna be like, oh my God, it sucked the biggest
donkey balls ever. It was fucking terrible.You can't do that, Michael. Not her fault,
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it was just shit. Right, it was so much betteras a cartoon. But that was like, yeah, that
was on like some, it was like Midnight or somethinglike that. Yeah, it was on like Midnight, it
was Adult Swim. That was a great show. A lotof really groundbreaking animation happening
on that show. We don't have stuff like thatanymore. Well, a lot of that stuff happened
late at night like robot chicken. Oh, yeah,robot chicken. That's another one. I mean,
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robot chicken is fucking genius. I think theonly other like really groundbreaking animation
after Ren and Stimpy and then it was like it'sall the same after that to some degree better
or worse was of course South Park. That waslike, that was a big ground breaker. And that
was mid nineties. And you know what, you knowwhat? And all of us got a videotape. I remember
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like everybody, did you get the videotape? Weall did, right? The Christmas episode. How
did that happen? Where it was like everybodygot the videotape of the Christmas episode.
George Clooney as the dog. Yeah. Jesus versusSanta Claus. Yeah. And like, I remember watching
that at CalArts and being like, oh my. God,like, who made this? But how did we get the
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VHS? Everybody was circulating a VHS tape. Itjust, it spread like a fucking virus. Isn't
that weird? And then it got picked up by whoeverpicked it up. I don't know. I just remember
them, like, Jesus and Santa being in a fightand somebody yelling, you fucking pussy! Yeah,
I mean, their heads getting blown off and seeingthe spinal cord coming up out of their necks.
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Now, again, you go back to, we've seen the violencefrom- The Bugs Bunny cartoons. It goes back
to the anvil on the head. The best thing aboutSouth Park was they didn't give a shit. It
didn't matter. But that's why though. That'swhy it's so great because nobody was off limits.
So here's the thing though. And by the way,I think it's still going. Is it really? Well
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we didn't talk about The Simpsons either. Wait,we gotta talk about The Simpsons. We do, we
have to go back and talk about The Simpsons.That motherfucker is still, they're still making
new, god damn. Simpsons. It has been 30, 40.You'd think they would run out. And by the
way. They're heading towards 40 years. But howfunny is it, you know, they keep going back.
The Simpsons, they say they can tell the future.Oh, they do. They do. They totally do. Often
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tell the future. They predicted Trump's presidency.They've predicted so many things. How many
things like that? I mean, you talk about cartoonsthat stand the test of time. Or that test the
stand of time. How high is the stand? Sorry,go ahead. Is it a hot dog stand? It's a hot
dog stand. And it's delicious. What do you likeon your hot dogs, by the way? I like them wrapped
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in bacon. Oh, dude, do you eat street meat whenyou come out of concerts in Los Angeles? See,
there's always a street meat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.There's always street. They say it so quickly.
Do you eat the street meat? Hot dog, hot dog,hot dog, hot dog, hot dog, hot dog, hot dog.
I don't hear it that way, but I'm gonna letthat slide. I love the smell. of a nice beef
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frank. A nice beef frank, wrapped in bacon,with onions sizzling on the side, and then
I think, I'm gonna get one of those. And didyou have you? No, because I think of. the lava
flow that will come out of my butthole the nextday. What is it? They're buying, they're buying
Franks, they're buying bacon, they're puttingit on a grill. What's gonna happen? They're
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not doing, I'm gonna, next time I go to a goddamnconcert, I'm gonna buy one and eat one. I've
never done it. I'm sick of waiting. It was niceknowing you. And I will let you know how it
goes. Yeah, that's the ending. I can tell youright now, it's gonna be the best goddamn experience
of my life.
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