#340 The Green New Scam Ain’t Dead Yet w/ Gary Musgrove & Mark Guillory

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Welcome to the state of freedom everybody where we are grounded in faith and committed tothe core principles of giving voice to truth, living with courage and taking action.
It's Thursday, October 9th at 10 a.m.
Central.
I'm Danielle Walker and I'm joined by my friend and unmatched fellow host, ChrisAlexander.
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Well, today joining us are two gentlemen and let me bring them to the front here.
Although we may have temporarily lost one of them.

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Yeah.
I think we lost Gary temporarily, but we'll get him when he comes on.
um Joining us today are two gentlemen who have put themselves in the middle of the fightagainst carbon capture sequestration in Louisiana.
They are constitutionalists who believe in the private property rights that are part ofwhat make America so great.
Gary Musgrove is a US Air Force veteran who retired.

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ah Let's see.
Let's see what's going on here.
now we have two marks.
dear.
He doesn't have a doppelganger that I'm aware of.
now.
if it's not something, it's something else sometimes.
All right, let me kick this mark out.
Okay.

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All right.
And then we have to get, let's see, okay.
Y'all forgive me.
mean, I don't know what's going on.
Here we go.
Here we go.
All right.
Let's see.
Where was I?
Gary Musgrove is a U.S.
Air Force veteran who retired from the Louisiana National Guard and he's the owner ofKisachi Hills Nursery um where he's continuing a family legacy of horticulture and Colonel

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Mark Guillory is also a retired U.S.
Air Force veteran.
who served as the legislative assistant to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, aswell as various other Air Force Pentagon level positions.
We are looking forward to speaking with them and digging into the latest in this fightthat's not only about the Green New Scam, but about the property owners of our state.

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Let's see, here's Gary.
It looks like we got him back.
All right, Gary, welcome back.
Welcome both of you gentlemen.
That's right.
All right.
Well, look, let me get into the scripture of the day before we talk about the Green NewScam and all of the nefarious things that are going on in our state related to that.
Let me find my Bible.

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I mean, you would swear I would have myself together a little bit better, but...
The devil always tries to get in the way when you're about to do some really good stuff,but he can't stop us.
That's right.
It's first, today's scripture is 1 Timothy, if I can get there, 1 Timothy chapter 3 verse16.

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All right, well have it here on my screen so I'll read it from my screen instead of fromthe Bible because it's taken me a little too long to find.
It says, for the mystery of righteousness is beyond all question.
He was revealed as a human being and as our great high priest in the spirit.
Angels gazed upon him as a man and the glorious message of his kingly rulership is beingpreached to the nations.

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Many have believed in him and he has been taken back to heaven and he's ascended into theplace of exalted glory in the heavenly realm.
Yes, great is this mystery of righteousness." And Jesus is our righteousness.
He's our high priest and our king.
And this week I have been pondering the mysterious nature of our faith, even

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The most simple aspects of Christianity are wrapped in mystery and the Lord has placed adesire in our hearts to search it out, to seek more about the person of Jesus and to begin
to scratch the surface of the mystery of the triune God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
In Revelation chapter 1 verse 6, the apostle John calls us kings and priests unto our God.

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And in Proverbs 2.25, King Solomon says that it's the glory of God to conceal a matter.
and it's the glory of kings to search it out.
So let me encourage us today to take a step back and to revel and delight in the mysteryof our Lord, the mystery of our faith.
I want everyone to stir up your awe of the living God today and ask him to guide you ingetting to know him in a new way.

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It's easy to get caught up in religion.
No, that's okay.
It is so powerful because as what you're praying today, because as we get to know theLord, we will begin to understand that He has a specific role for each of us.
He didn't create any of us by accident.

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He didn't create any of us to just exist randomly.
He has a purpose and a mission for each one of us.
uh And we remember that the closer we get to him.
And I think it's really, really important when you describe it, you know, in those terms.
Our two guests today clearly understand that they have a mission on this earth and areengaging in it uh actively, daily and diligently.

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Specifically, the mission to protect our property rights, our land and our health from ascam called carbon capture sequestration.
ah And I want to first of all thank both of y'all for being here with us today.
What a privilege to have you here with us on the state of freedom.

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Thank you.
We appreciate that, Dan.
Daniel and Chris, thank you for the invitation.
absolutely.
uh You know, from what I understand, uh Gary, I want to go here uh first with you.
You're not really by nature a political animal.
You're a hardworking businessman.
You own a nursery uh and, you know, you try to live your life according to the Lord'scommands and the laws of justice.

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But you find yourself in this fight against this scam of carbon capture sequestration.
How did you get involved in this?
What motivated you to become involved in this fight?
Well, it went back to the first meeting that I attended was in Pineville.

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oh It was the when when the police jury president, I believe at the time or whoever it waswho organized the meeting, LSU came down and prior to that uh meeting, it was an
educational form of what carbon capture is.

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sun gas, beaver lake renewables coming in.
And I started questioning one particular thing is when they talked about injecting CO2, ohhow does that happen?
I've heard of taking things out of the ground.
I just never heard of it taking, putting things into the ground.

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So, oh
So what I started looking into is uh who owns property rights, just not on the surfacelevel, but on the subsurface level.
And so I started looking at poor space.
ah That took me into uh water aquifers.

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It didn't take me but about two days of research and then I realized that this is notgood.
This is not good for any of us.
especially for the future of Louisiana, my grandkids.
When you start talking about property and water, those two oh elements that are necessaryfor us to thrive, oh I got concerned.

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And I can say it didn't take me about two days to realize what this was.
And so I got involved.
I went to
The public meeting, I just had one question.
One question is who owns my poor space?
And that's what got me involved.
Who owns my poor space?
And so that's been my, that's what started my quest.

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I began to research, research the dangers.
oh I like to use the word toxic CO2.
My son corrects me all the time.
He says, daddy, CO2 isn't toxic.
Said I understand son, but.
close friend of mine that known for 30 years.
And she said, have you heard about CCS?
I said, what do you mean?

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So she told me carbon uh capture and sequestration.
And they were having a meeting down in Forest Hill and we're going to discuss it, uh gothrough all the process of it.
I went down to the meeting and sat and listened and I was uh
I was floored by what I heard.
I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

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And the two things that stood out the most to me was uh the size of the Chico aquifer,which I knew it was there, but I didn't realize it was that big, and that most of these
wells were going to be in that aquifer.
even before I start hearing uh Brad LeBlanc talk and John West talk, it sounds like it's abad idea to...

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to poke holes in that thing and start pumping anything around there.
So that's a big problem for me.
But what really got me was when I heard about Act 61 and what the legislature has done, ittook me actually a couple of days to wrap my head around that.
I went home, I got home a little bit late that night.

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First thing I did was sat down.
went to louisiana.gov on the legislature's website.
And I pulled up act 61, I began to read it and I couldn't believe what I read.
Then of course, I go back to refresh my memory, which I'm rather aware of what theconstitution says.
And I can't reconcile these two things.

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There's a problem.
There's a significant problem.
And what the founding document that creates our government.
Some people, it's been a while since they've been the...
to civics class.
And so it's important to understand what a constitution is.
A group of people decide that they want uh to minimize and control the chaos around them.

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And so they want to form a government.
And as part of forming the government, it's what constitution means.
It constitutes what the government will look like.
And it's important to understand that this constitution is the foundation on which thegovernment sits.
They are not the same.
The Constitution is the creator and the government is the created.

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And I don't need to tell the two of you that the created doesn't tell the creator what todo.
And the creator sets confines restrictions.
It sets borders.
It sets powers.
It sets all the things that the created can do.
And this created Constitution was
by the people.

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That's what gives it its authority.
The people give it authority and then that constituted government is given authority andcreated.
The legislature is created.
The executive is created.
The judicial is created.
They are subservient to that constitution.
So then when we start looking at it, well, what's the purpose of this government?

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Our constitution is really clear what the purpose of our government is.
In the preamble, the very beginning, the first paragraph of
The document says, we the people of desiring to protect individual right to life, libertyand property.
Those are the essential rights that God gave us and government is not there to give themto us.

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It's instructed to protect those rights that are ours already.
clearly the preamble goes on to say we do ordained and establish this constitution.
Continuing on, find out the Constitution's, just to make it clear, we're going to tell youwhat the origin of the Constitution is, and we're going to tell you what the purpose of

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the government that it's going to create.
This is also in Article 1, Section 1.
All government of right originates with the people, is founded on their will alone, and isinstituted to do what?
To protect the rights of the individual.
Its only legitimate ends is protecting the rights of the individuals, life, liberty andproperty.

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These rights are enumerated.
Enumerated means numbered.
And in the article, clearly establishes that they are inalienable.
That means it can't be separated from us.
And not only does it say it can't be separated from us, it even charges the state, can'tbe, is inalienable by the state and shall be preserved

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in violent.
You cannot violate these rights by the state.
So not only does the constitution say the point of the government is to protect yourrights, I'm telling you that your job as the government is to make sure that those rights
are not violated.
And now we have a
Mark, that's exactly the opposite, it sounds to me, of what was done through this Act 61,which declared, with no debate in the legislature as a matter of Louisiana public policy,

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that this carbon capture sequestration, whereby carbon dioxide is captured from the airand buried in the ground permanently, somehow is a public good.
uh And it clearly it's not.
you know, and I know that you know this very well.
If you look at the Louisiana Constitution, Article 1, Section 4, which is much morespecific and detailed than uh the federal constitution, it seems clear on its face, as you

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pointed out when I met you at a recent town hall, expropriation or the seizure of privateproperty by a private corporation
cannot occur purely for economic benefit, even if one of the incidental effects, and wedon't even concede this, is some public good, but we don't even concede that.

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But this is clearly what's going on here.
I mean, they don't even argue anymore that this is a public good.
They don't even make the argument anymore.
So is that your interpretation of the Louisiana Constitution with regard to this activity?
Chris, it's not my interpretation, it's the words on the page.
So I'll read it to you.

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Article 1, Declaration of Rights, Section 4, that you're talking about, it's got all theserights to property.
the only exception to when private property can be taken by the government, and that'svery important, it can only be taken by the government.
I'm going to read a little bit from Act 61 here in a minute to tell you how, again, howshocking that is.

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But in Article 1, Section 4,
Whether the purpose is public and necessary shall be a judicial question.
Nowhere in our Constitution is the legislature authorized to make a decision of decidingwhat is public purpose.
They cannot do that.

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They cannot create a law.
The Constitution not only empowers the government with authority, it also restricts thatauthority.
And numerous times,
In our constitution, the legislature's authority is uh restricted.
As a matter of fact, I want to come back to another piece, but I'm going to jump ahead onone thing here.

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As a matter of fact, uh the legislature is even restricted from making special laws.
Did you know that?
Specifically gets called out in Article 3, Section 12, prohibitions, except as otherwiseprovided in this constitution.
The legislature shall not pass a local or special law.

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And then it defines what a special law is.
It says that a special law is something that is granting to any private corporation,association, or individual any special or exclusive right, privilege, or immunity.
Act 61 gives private entities, I'll read it to you.

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In paragraph 1108, eminent domain, that's when the government, as you know, decides thatit decides that your property is necessary for road, for bridge, for something of public
use, not private use.
And even then, Article 4 tells you exactly how you can take it, when you can take it,under what circumstances you can take it.

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It can be adjudicated.
Again, the judicial branch decides if it's public purpose.
That's why it goes to a court.
But in Act 61, the legislature says any storage operator is hereby authorized to exercisethe power of eminent domain and expropriate needed property.

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That sounds like that's pretty 180 degrees opposite when that's a special law.
They've been given a special privilege and the constitution restricts the legislature fromgiving anyone
shall not pass a local or special law granting private corporations.
That's what this thing does.

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So one of the biggest things about the legislators that bothers me is that this group ofpeople, no matter how you define the situation, are incompetent.
Let's say that they, didn't have time to read the bills or I passed it.
Well, you're incompetent because your passing legislation is extraordinarily important.

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and we send you to Baton Rouge to be aware of what you're doing and not to mindlessly votefor something.
Well, let's say that second, well, I didn't really understand what the statute said.
Well, then you had no business voting yes.
Again, you're incompetent.
And the third thing is if you understood this law and you voted for this law, you violatedyour oath to protect the constitution of Louisiana and you failed to understand the basic

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public
the basic public purpose of government.
And if you fail to understand the basic purpose of government, what are you doing being arepresentative?
You're giving away people's right to property.
Number one in our constitution, the purpose of government is to protect your right tolife, liberty and property.
And you're gonna go give it away.

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And you're telling me that you want some kind of special dispensation that you made amistake.
God forgives it.
Grace is a thing and God forgives, but there are some things that you pass the line onwhen it comes to human beings that you can be forgiven, but you need to move along.

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You simply are not competent to sit in those seats when you are giving away the threebasic rights that the government has intended.
The only purpose is to protect.
And our constitution even says, if it doesn't do that,
It's illegitimate.
It's on the page.

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It's an illegitimate government.
I want to take us down a little rabbit trail, a little constitutional rabbit trail rightnow if I can.
What is our recourse?
What is our recourse for these legislators who are operating far, far beyond the bounds ofthe scope of their office, who have shown in no way that they're able to self restrict uh

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what they're working on?
I mean, can we impeach them in some way for violating the oath of office if they're notupholding the Constitution, which you just laid out very beautifully, Mark?
Well, of course, any elected official can be impeached.
That's how we legally and peacefully remove someone from office.

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But generally, they would have to violate its criminal activity.
Now, can we impeach them for uh incompetence?
I suppose I don't, I would have to look into that a little bit more.
But there are other ways for us to deal with this.
And one of the ways, savemylouisiana.org, it was an organization that was created.

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And the intent is that uh it would pursue legal uh remedies for those people,organizations, and even our own government uh that violates our right to property, our
right to life and liberty, and is quite frankly trying to poison our water.

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So Save My Louisiana, what we're doing is that we are currently uh writing oh a legalaction, a lawsuit.
that will sue the state over the unconstitutionality challenging the constitutionality ofAct 61.
Now, as we read the words on the page, it is very clear to us in multiple places.

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We've only talked about two or three areas of the constitution.
We dig in to the property rights in section four.
It's very, very clear that no land can be taken away by the government
for a private person or entity.
It not only says it once, it says it again or transferred to the ownership of a privateperson or entity.

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a uh legal action will be suing the state to say, this questioning this law saying onconstitutional grounds, this law violates both the words on the page and the intent of the
constitution.
The legislature simply was not authorized to make this determination to abrogate or tochange or take away our right to life, liberty and property.

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Now, the constitution can be changed.
There's a remedy.
you want to do this, you can do it.
However, it has to be done by a state referendum.
There are several different ways where you can present an amendment and that amendmentthen has to be presented to the state.
The entire electorate has to decide whether or not they want to accept this amendment andmake it part of the Constitution or not.

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The remedy is not, the legislature.
The governor has no power to create a law that takes away my life, or property, and thelegislature doesn't.
Now, one last thing, and I'll step back for a minute, but there are ways to take thesethings, these three things, away from me, and there are remedies.

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And that section two of the Constitution says that these can be taken, but through uhappropriate law, the judicial, the process.
That doesn't mean the legislature can make a new law that takes it away.
That's not what it means.
I have to be, if I've committed a crime, I have to be uh accused of the crime.

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I have to be charged for the crime, adjudicated, and then judged.
And in that process, that is according to the law.
Law is about bringing order to chaos.
It's about ensuring that we live in a tranquil and civilized world.
And so that is why if I've done something, then I can be again, accused, adjudicated, andthen uh judged by jury of my peers, very important.

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And then ah I'm punished according to statutes of the law that the legislature can create.
So that's the only way one of those three things
or all of those things can be taken away.
There's no other way.
The legislature doesn't have the authority.
And two quick points on that, Mark.
And we can't emphasize this enough.

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And I think this this could be at least anecdotal evidence in your lawsuit.
We've looked at it very, very closely.
We've watched the floor action on Act 61.
We watched the committee hearings and there was no debate whatsoever regarding whether ornot this is in fact

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a public good, whether it's necessary for the public health, whether or not ah there aredangers to carbon capture sequestration, which are becoming increasingly well known, ah
and even the merits of the whole basis for CCS, which is anthropogenic climate change,man-caused climate change.

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mean, zero debate.
It was simply declared as a matter of public policy that CCS is a
public good for purposes of eminent domain and expropriation.
That's the first point I wanted to make.
And the second point, most recently in 2025, when all of these bills were put forward totry to roll back Act 61 and associated legislation and end this madness, none of the

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people who were pushing for it, industry, there was not one assertion.
And I was there the whole time that this is a public good for purposes of the environment.
The whole
argument was that this is for the economic benefit of the state and it's going to bringall of these jobs, which makes our argument under Article 1, Section 4 of Louisiana

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Constitution.
They're making our argument, are they not?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Here we go.
Section Article one, section four, right to property section four and in paragraph three,neither words on the page, neither economic development, enhancement of tax revenue or any

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incidental benefit to the public shall be considered in determining whether the taking ordamaging of property is for the public purpose.
So before you even get to public purpose,
As the governor and others desire to tell us how much economic benefit that we're going toget out of this, by the way, that's greatly questionable.

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They never really explain where the economic benefit is going and who's going to be thebenefactor of this benefit.
It's clearly not Louisianians.
When my property can be taken away by a private company and they can pump CO2 into theground,
which could poison my water.

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Who's the benefactor here?
But the constitution is very clear.
Neither economic development or enhanced tax revenues can be considered.
Now, I want to point out something important that some of our distractors may immediatelypoint to.

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ah And that is, uh let's see.
In section six, or article six, section 21, the Constitution does allow for assistance tolocal industry.
Now, before you go hang your hat on that and say, well, that's what we're doing.

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That is more restricting of what can be done.
And specifically, so that's imminent domain where land can be taken for public purpose,but it can only be taken by a political subdivision, public port commission, public port.
Harbor and Terminal District.
It can't be taken by some private entity.

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So there's no contradiction in the Constitution, nor is there an exception that allowswhat the governor persists to do.
And let me say, by the way, this governor didn't sign this act, but this governor is awareof this act.
He has heard the bell.
We have rung it for him and he is doing nothing.

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What is he doing?
We have brought this to the attention of the legislators.
What are they doing?
So don't tell me that you're concerned and you're going to listen to me.
When we have told you a former governor and a past legislator, some of them still inoffice, have abrogated our right to property, your job is to protect us.

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That's why we put you there.
What are you going to do about it?
I've got a little bit of breaking news here.
Y'all may be aware of it, but I just received a letter to President Trump from 20Louisiana state representatives basically calling the carbon capture sequestration a scam

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and urging the president of the United States
to cut the funding, to cut the 45Q tax credits for carbon capture sequestration.
I haven't even read the letter yet.
I just glanced at it.
So that's 20 Louisiana state reps, some of whom I've noticed voted for the carbon capturesequestration in Louisiana, and some of whom even voted against repealing it this last

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session.
I think that's an interesting development and probably the result of increasing publicoutcry on the issue.
Gary, are you familiar with this?
You probably are not because it just posted a little while ago.
It's it's news, but it wouldn't surprise me that that's that's where we're headed.

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I could see it happening when Director Lee Zeldin opened up the public comment hearing amonth or so ago regarding taking carbon oh as a pollutant away from the emissions
requirements by industry.
oh I see it as a backdoor way of

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taking down the scale of everything that I've seen and everything I've read from PresidentTrump is he's vehemently against this whole scam.
uh But still as powerful as he is, I don't believe he is as powerful as the lobbyists orindustry or oil and gas or uh ADM, Archer's Daniel Midland.

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one of the biggest recipients of carbon 45Q tax credits and up in the Iowa and Ohio areas.
There's over 250 ethanol plants.
That will be one of the biggest receivers of the 45Q.

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It seems like it would have been just easy to scrub it from the big, beautiful bill.
Obviously we have rhinos that want to see this happen.
And so he is faced, Trump is faced with the fact that he has to deal with a bunch ofrhinos.
And so I, I, I, I see it coming.

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Go ahead.
I was just going to say he has already instituted some pocket rescission, so I'm hopefulthat that is going to be something we see on these Q45 tax credits.
One of my concerns is something that a previous guest brought up, which is even if we getrid of the Q45 or the Q series tax credits, ah we're still faced with the uh mandates of

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Europe on these big companies.
And I think until
thing.
uh didn't mean to interrupt you, ah but I've gone down that road.
There is no legislatively, there's no mandates either in Europe or in the US requiringcarbon capture.
ah There's policy directives and there's uh some aspect, the scores, that's right, the SG.

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m
the carbon credits, those are the drivers of this.
But as far as legislatively mandating, whether it be in Europe or in the US, there arenone.
uh We're just, uh we're beholden to what Europe is demanding.
And that's if they want low carbon products, we have the natural resources, we'll sell itto you, take it over there.

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You process it the way you want to process it.
If you want to dump it and bury it in your ground on your water aquifers, then go rightahead.
But we don't have to do it here in the US, especially in Louisiana.
Louisiana is not the dumping ground for the world.
We need to get over that and step beyond us being the dumping ground.

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Just because Europe wants a low carbon still, they bought into the climate change.
I call it hoax.
All right, we can debate that later.
But there is no place, nowhere on this planet that it makes sense to take a naturalelement and make it so unstable that it becomes very dangerous and then shove it under our

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ground uh against our own wheel, take our property from us and doing that and risk ourwater aquifers.
uh It's not a matter of if, it's when.
Yeah.
And Gary, you are a nursery owner.
As Danielle and I were discussing at pre-show, uh know, the Forest Hill is the nurserycapital of Louisiana.

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you know, and it seems like if anybody has a vested interest in ensuring that this doesn'thappen, it's you.
Absolutely.
You get, we all know, I hope the public is educated on what happens when you mix CO2 withwater.
You get carbonic acid.
It drops the pH in the water, it begins to leach metals, and it completely destroys yourwater.

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You won't be able to grow anything here in forest uh ill.
Must let's just grow.
And we're talking about
The hell drinking it's our life source.
Um, it, it, it, it, I know everybody depends on this water.
Look, not just Louisiana, Texas.

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If you have listeners in East Texas, wake up because we share this Chico aquifer with you.
Uh, it goes well into East Texas and we start messing.
We start damaging this water aquifer here in Louisiana.
Um, it uh, Texas you're going to fill it as well
Yeah, that's such a great point, Gary.

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And I would encourage people in that connection to listen to our interview with WayneChristian, the Texas Railroad Commission, who came on and talked about this very issue and
was very clear and did not mince words about the danger of this enterprise.
I mean, he was very, very clear.

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It's Wayne Christian.
And I would encourage our listeners to go back and listen to that.
Mark, can I ask you another question about the lawsuit?
What is the...
The primary basis of the lawsuit, as I understand it, is that Act 61 and associatedlegislation, not just Act 61, but associated legislation, facially violates the Louisiana

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Constitution because it authorizes the seizure
of private property through eminent domain for an activity that is purely economic, for anactivity that does not serve the public good.
And is that generally the basis for the lawsuit?

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You're arguing the constitutionality of the act.
That's correct, but it does two things.
It authorizes private entities, first of all.
It gives them authority over me.
Secondly, it not only gives them authority over me, it gives them authority to take awayone of my basic rights.

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Remember, the reason that the Constitution looks the way it does is because the intent isthat it equates me with everyone else.
That means little old me is the same size as the state of Louisiana.
That's what it does.
It means ExxonMobil is the same size as little old me.

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It gives us a uh level playing field and that they do not have authority over me in anyway.
And what the legislature has done is said, no, we're going to put a private company forprivate economic gain.
in authority over you.
Well, that's the whole basis of the Constitution is in order to keep that from happening.

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It's so that I can stand toe to toe against someone who wants to take away my life, myliberty, and my property.
The point of government again is to protect me from you, Chris, and you from me, much lessthe government from taking those things or a private entity.

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So it's two things, not only
The unconstitutionality of that 61 because it authorizes a private entity, literallygovernment authority.
It gives them government authority.
there's a term called inherently governmental power.
We've seen this term pop up in the Supreme Court and other different courts.

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Inherently governmental power means a power that only the government can have.
Only the government can take away my life, liberty and property.
Anybody else tries to do that, it's a criminal act.
That's exactly right.
That's exactly right.
And you know what else came to mind when you were speaking, Mark, is just this idea thatthe government, these legislators that are so willing to make us subservient to these

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private entities, maybe they're so comfortable doing that because they have already madethemselves subservient to those private entities.
And that's what we're living in the reality of.
That is a legitimate question that citizens should always be asking of their government.
What is your interest in this matter?
What are you doing?

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We not only have a right to know, we have an obligation to find out because we are thegoverned.
You don't get just to decide what you want to do.
You have to ask us first.
We give the permission.
We created the Constitution.
We are the authority.
that created the authority, that created the government.

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You are subservient to us, not the other way around.
I want you to go and teach um the welcome class for the new legislators and just remindeverybody when the new...
should do that.
That's a great idea, Danielle.
uh Mark, you are obviously, well, they may not like you, but you're the bearer of truth onthis.

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Well, that's true.
That's true.
We're not going to win a popularity contest except probably with the majority of Louisianacitizens.
And that's the only popularity contest we care about here.
But I wanted to ask you also, uh this idea of
core rights that the government has to respect no matter what.

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ah It goes back to John Stuart Mill, who I'm sure you're aware of, and Alex de Tocquevilleas well, who talked about the tyranny of the majority and making uh the argument that we
do not live in a pure democracy.
We live in a constitutional republic, and neither a majority of citizens or a majority oflegislators have the

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natural or constitutional right to abridge the rights of even one person.
And that's what you're getting at here when you say that, you know, they just don't havethat right.
Exactly.
So I think you've got, it sounds to me like you've got a uh very good argument uh underthe Louisiana Constitution, even much more so than under the federal constitution, which

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has only one sentence in the Fifth Amendment about
uh eminent domain and that's it.
But our Constitution is fertile ground here uh and a very, I think, promising argumentthat you have, if not a winning one.
Well, we think so too, but the other side always gets a vote, so to speak, when it comesto contests like this.

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And one of the concerns that we have, uh we want to ensure that we are heard before anunbiased court and that our argument is genuinely heard and genuinely weighed and the
facts considered.

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We think that when these facts are considered, the words on the page again, they're nothard.
They're not hard to understand.
They're very clear.
The words on the page of Act 61 are very clear.
You know, one of the most shocking parts about it is uh when the, it's later on in 1110,where the legislature goes further and gives foreign powers.

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the authority to take my land.
Again, I was shocked, in the Constitution.
It's very clear, Article 6, Section 21, that property will not be allowed to be given toaliens or foreign powers.
It's pretty damn clear.
And even if you don't understand the words, you should at least understand the fact thatthose words are on the page, that there is an intent there.

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that no foreign entity, whether it's foreign to the state in the fact that it's inMississippi or that it's in Germany, no one outside of our state, however you're to define
foreign, has the authority to come in and take my property.
You just can't do it.
And the legislature, again, doesn't have the authority to change it.
What an absolute betrayal, exactly.

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And Gary, what does that tell you when we have...
So when these foreign corporations now have statutory authority to come in and take theland of Louisiana citizens, what does that tell you about who's going to be probably doing
the work?
Speaking of economic benefit, who's going to be doing the work?
People who are coming in here to do these jobs?

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Are these jobs going to go to Louisiana citizens?
I don't even think that they've made a successful argument that this is going to be a realeconomic boon to our state, even assuming it's a meritorious enterprise.
What do you say?
They haven't.
oh The industry comes in the way they're in.
And the colonel may have already alluded to this, but industry, what they're doing rightnow is they're coming into police juries oh throughout the parishes and predominantly uh

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biomass oh industry is coming in and they're enticing them with pennies.
over thousand dollar bills is what they're doing.
We're going to give you ten million dollars a year.
We'll give you two hundred fifty thousand dollars to your local school board.
In the meantime, promising jobs.

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when the when you when you dig into the actual companies themselves, we're talking ahandful of jobs in the end.
One production well, it's the Magnolia
Believe it's the Magnolia Hub down in Allen Parish, one of the sequestration hubs thatwill be injecting the CO2.

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oh When it came down to the end, how many jobs is that going to create?
It was one job.
One job.
You'll have a uh big boom in the beginning with construction, but that's done.
It's over.
And now that one well is prying to make oh on a low end.

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about $10 million a month on a low end off of people's property.
That gets bad.
is so absurd that our legislators gave the eminent domain authority to a private companyto come in and take your poor space under duress.

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You may sign a contract, but you're still under duress to sign it.
If not, you're subject to whatever
offers they give you, but you still have to sign it.
And then you're left with nothing but a wasteland while they're making millions uponmillions upon millions and not one dime is going to be going to any type of economic
development impact.

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Why?
Because most of these companies have tax abatements that go out 10 years.
uh All oil and gas offshored, the foreign markets are tax exempt.
Where's the economic development when we talk about
uh a police juror that gets this vision of a billion dollar plant coming into theircompany and to their, and to their uh parish.

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It's fallacy.
you so blinded with the dollar signs that you cannot see reality when it's slapped you inthe face?
It doesn't exist.
It's a smoke and mirrors.
this is an important point.
Go ahead, Danielle.
get back to um this idea of betrayal as well uh by allowing foreign entities to be part ofthis eminent domain.

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uh I don't know, the giving, you know, the...
Yes.
I'm reading from the Act, any domestic or foreign corporation is authorized.
The power of eminent domain.
I just want to pull that thread into something we saw that's very concerning and has beenvery concerning to Chris and I from this past session, which is the legislature did a uh

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campaign finance uh reform bill.
And in that reform bill is a gaping hole the size of China that says that foreigners,basically foreigners and including foreign adversaries who are not on our soil, are able
to
donate to the campaigns of any candidate that's running for office in our state.

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So if you want to pull this thread a little bit further, you can see who these people areworking for.
And it's not us.
Yeah, it's exactly right.
is a significant problem.
And anytime politicians get together and decide they're going to have campaign financereform, it's smoke and mirrors to build a facade of protection while it's porous on the

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bottom and around the edges where they get even more.
That's the famous campaign finance reform from years ago at the federal level.
that created pacts and all these other kinds of things made it far worse than it was tobegin with.
they claimed victory on that.
One of the other things that I wanted to bring up is, Gary is talking about, and so you,Danielle, about the legislators, but Gary brought up the police juries.

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What are police jurors going to do?
They took an oath as well, and their oath wasn't to the parish and it wasn't to the stategovernment, it was to the constitution.
What about Paris sheriffs?
What are you going to do sheriff, whatever your name is, what are you going to do?
What are you going to do when this, when, when imminent domain is declared by company Xand comes to you and says, we've we're exercising the law and we want you to go with us

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out to this person's property and serve them the papers that we can take away their land.
Are you really going to execute a law like that?
Have you, have all of our parish sheriffs sat down recently?
They're well-educated men.
Sit down and read the Constitution.
It's easy to find.

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It's right on Louisiana.gov.
It's right there.
It says Constitution.
You can read through the appropriate parts that we're talking about here.
Just read the first four sections.
That's all you need to do.
And then tell me that you are going to take away someone's property for a private company.
Sheriffs, you have an obligation.
You have an obligation to protect and defend.

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Haven't we been talking about that from the beginning of the whole purpose of government?
Protect and defend.
Protect and defend what?
Those three things, life, liberty, and property.
You protect and defend those three things, then you will take care of everything that weneed as citizens of Louisiana.
It's not complicated.
But what are you going to do?
What's a police juror going to do?
And that's such, what a great point you make there, Gary.

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And so they come in here and in order to avoid the unpleasantness that you just described,by the way, sheriffs do have the constitutional authority to reject that type of activity.
They're the most powerful law enforcement official in any parish and they are liable onlyto the constitution.

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ah And that is why they would
That's a great question you ask.
Where are they on this?
Where do they stand?
uh But so they're coming in and according to what you said a few minutes ago, Gary, I wantto make sure I understood this right.
Are they basically coming in and perhaps in order to avoid the unpleasantness of forcibleseizure of property, are they coming in and trying to buy off the locals?

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Is that what basically is happening here?
Absolutely, um I can Okay, for example oh in in Vernon Parish Vernon Parish is police juryand they haven't hidden this fact that oh They've negotiated a rate of I think it's about
a dollar thirty per metric ton of that will they will receive and and and funds from

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The company that's doing the SINLA hub is called CapturePoint.
CapturePoint will be one, it's the company drilling that injection well.
oh They're in the process of that now.
They're going through the permitting.
But when that well comes online, it's a 20,000 acre plume well.

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On the low end, that well will make about
$10 million a month, the low end.
uh High end, we're talking upwards to $450 million a year.
You know what they promised them?
$10 million a year.

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That was enough to grab that police jury and say, listen, uh help us sway the public'sopinion and uh you'll get this $10 million a year.
uh
And I to that police jury meeting and I told them, guys, you're stepping over pennies.

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I mean, stepping over a thousand dollar bills.
If, let's say, if this is what you want, if the people want this, are you that blind thatyou're stepping over thousand dollar bills to pick up a penny?
Because you are now going to jeopardize your entire water supply for $10 million a year.

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How many miles of road is that gonna build you in your parish?
10?
empty parish now because the water has been poisoned.
Yeah, exactly.
values dropped.
No one's moving in anyway.
oh So yeah, are they buying the police jury oh in a roundabout way?
Yes.

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Alan Paris.
the 10 million, Gary, even the 10 million is not going to the people whose property isbeing seized, right?
It's going to the local government.
right.
where is this money coming from?
Like how are they actually making money?

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From us you it's it's the q45
it's the worst part about the whole thing.
I'm gonna destroy your life and I'm gonna use your money to do it.
of your money, of your money to them.
It's not their money.
but of the $450 million that they charged you slash stole from you slash extracted fromyou, then you can have just these little pennies back.

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You poor little peasant.
That's absolutely unbelievable.
What about the EPA?
Let's assume that the EPA comes out, Lee Zeldin, oh and there's an actual repeal of the2009 Obama endangerment finding that CO2 is a threat to the public health and welfare.

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And that is formally repealed.
CO2 is no longer a pollutant.
Doesn't that cut
the knees completely out from under the whole enterprise, the tax credits, ah the publicargument that it's a public good, all of that, if that is repealed.
I think it would, however, we're still dealing with rhinos trying to make a dollar off ofthis.

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oh The Q45 was written into the IRS.
I mean, it's in the IRS tax code.
You could cut that ah through from the EPA, but unless Republicans pass legislation torepeal that 45Q tax credit, it's still there.

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It'll still be there.
And as long as Europe continues mandating low carbon products, the need for manufacturingto supply that product will still be there because there's profit.
As long as we're giving them our tax dollars to make that profit, that tax credit goesaway.

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Then that changes their entire business model.
It changes how they financially survive.
uh For example, Highland pellets is the biomass uh industry that wants to set up shop in,I say set up shop, but set up a business in Vernon Parish.

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They're from Pine Bluff, Arkansas.
Guess what?
They have a production plant in Pine Bluff, Arkansas that is making money.
It's profitable and they're not sequestering CO2.
They want to build that same plant in Vernon Parish and that's the one that's offeringsome money.

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We're going to give you a billion dollar plant.
it be?
Those that that Paris haven't seen anything like that in their parish ever.
those are the police jurors are.
Yeah.
What is this going to look like?
Yeah, we finally get economic development, but
at what risk you're going to go back to.

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We're going back to to our water aquifer.
So that one of the executives during that police jury discussion said, and I've heard thisseveral times now from executives of these of these companies, oh Robert Rigdon with
SunGas Renewables, they want to put a plant out that the old international paper millsite.

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It's another biogas
um industry for green methanol.
uh They all say if it's not for the 45Q tax credit, they wouldn't be coming here.
Period.
I couldn't agree with you more, which ah brings me to this point.

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Robert F.
Kennedy, Jr.
ah quoted in a documentary in 2024, which expresses exactly what our view is on this and Ithink what most people's view is on this.
says, the CCS industry is planning close to 100,000 miles of CO2 pipelines.

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This is something that would never
happen in a free market economy.
It's only happening thanks to billions and even hundreds of billions of dollars in taxcredits in the Biden administration's Inflation Reduction Act.
So Gary, you're saying you take away the 45Q, you take away all the tax subsidies.
There is no demand for this.

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There's no market demand for this.
None.
They pack up, they go home.
Europe figures in another way.
Or how about this, Europe?
You buy our product as it is.
Yeah.
Mark, how do you, what about the reverse argument, Mark?

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Not only is carbon capture sequestration not a public good, not for the public benefit,it's actually just the opposite, both fiscally, environmentally, and in terms of our
physical health.
It's just the opposite of what they, what it's predicated on.
Well, part of what we keep talking about, the point of government is to protect life,liberty and property.

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And part of that is government, there are no laws, there are no policies, there's nothingthat should be created by government that doesn't do those three things.
Part of what the environmental laws are about is protecting our lives.
If you poison our water, there's a picture just put up there.
uh
Daniel just put up there.

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This is from the US Geological Survey from last year.
And it talks about that orange or yellow area is the Chico aquifer.
And then at the top there you got a purple, a green, and a red.
And that is the Jasper and the Catahoula uh aquifers.
this is nearly two thirds of the state.

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And from here, think the number is 48 % of our fresh water that we drink every day, thatsustains our life, that sustains our animals, that sustains our agriculture, that is
essential to living.
Water is essential to living.
I know this is shocking statement, but it's true.

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And this is where our water comes from.
Most of these wells are going to be inside this yellow zone.
And what is that going to do?
The state has the obligation to protect me from other people who would take away my life.
If you take away the essence of sustaining my life, water, then you are violating my rightto life.

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You can't do that.
No more than you can decide that you're gonna push me off the side of a building or shootme with a gun or...
just randomly do whatever you want to.
We have laws that protect me from you doing that to me.
Well, this is a significant environmental impact, potential environmental impact.
All the economic gain in the world is pointless if you poison this aquifer and poison ituh in multiple places.

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It becomes useless.
It makes the ground useless.
But who is it useful to though, Chris?
It's useful to these companies
that now will be willing to enable it to stand there and take your worthless property fora worthless price because it's invaluable to them because they can keep on making money.
You can't live there.
You can't have liberty there.

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They can even take your property there.
And by the way, there's no reason for you live here anymore because you can't.
You can't drink the water.
May as well move along.
Here's a couple of bucks.
And they gain exactly what they want.
This is the political agenda of the climate change.
How much land, how much property can we take and we own?

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And you move all of these people.
city.
Yeah, you move, because, yep, hey, we're gonna take up some more land up in SouthernArkansas from all those people, and we're gonna build an area where we can move this
entire population up there, and it's gonna be a city where you don't have to worry aboutanything, everything should be there for you and taken care of.

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You you won't own it, but no problem, because you don't have any money to buy anything,because your property's worthless, you can't really sell it and get any value out of it,
but that's okay.
And now we have gone from being able to put 40%, I think the estimate is something like 40% of just the US's carbon under our ground.
But now you've got yourself a huge dump.

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You can pump in more.
Because of the scope of this um threat, is there a role for our attorney general?
No, absolutely.
Absolutely.
The attorney general ought to be looking at Act 61 and saying, hang on now, this isviolation of the Constitution.

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It's pretty clear the words on the page of the Constitution are clear.
The words on the page of Act 61 are clear.
These things do not go well together.
As a matter of fact, they are opposed to one another directly.
So maybe we should do something about this.
think perhaps we need to put a letter together to both A.G.
Liz Murrell and to Ken Paxton since Texas has some impact potentially as well.

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Let's see what happens.
we've discussed this before, Danielle, on another issue, and we actually asked theattorney general to issue an advisory opinion on the constitutionality of another statute.
And she declined to do so because she said it's the policy of her office not to issueadvisory opinions if an issue, if there's either anticipated or actual litigation involved

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in it.
And our response to that was simply, it seems like if there was ever a time
When an advisory opinion on the constitutionality of something is needed and warranted,it's when the state is about to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars defending a
lawsuit.
Well, that's the beauty of the peer pressure of having Ken Paxton on there because he'snot afraid of action.

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He's not afraid.
He's not afraid of action.
Exactly.
So but but you know what?
It's certainly worth a cry.
uh I want to ask you this last question, Mark, and if you want to weigh in and thenDanielle, you got another question, but I have to know this.
Barry Huggins is a chemical engineer, very, very bright.
And I've talked to him about this issue.
And uh he said, remember that, you know, there's going to be property owners in the statewho are going to come to the conclusion.

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Well, you know, my property is not being affected by this.
My property is not being seized or expropriated, so it doesn't affect me.
His position is that once this poison is injected under the ground, you never know whereit's going to go.
You never know where it's going to end up, and it could end up affecting the property andthe property value of people whose property has not been expropriated.

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And I think that's important for people to remember as well.
Well, it's not only that.
Brad LeBlanc talks about the same thing.
He's a geologist saying, know, things move underground.
It's not some contained area that's never going to move.
It's constantly moving, especially where we are.
Things are constantly moving.
So you don't know where you're pumping the CO2 under tremendous pressure.

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When you put something under pressure into a container, it is going to look for a way out.
That's called physics.
And it's going to find these weak wells that have been capped off and other naturalgeological ways for this pressure to come out of the ground.
And when it does, it can create havoc there.

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It can get into our aquifer.
The pipes going, as you drill through the aquifer, this stuff is very corrosive.
can damage those pipes, existing crofers.
It's a problem.
So yes, when people say, hey, I'm not a landowner, so that doesn't really affect me, havetwo things to say to them.
First of all,
You drink the water that comes from your city water source or your well, that water iscoming from the Chico aquifer.

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So it absolutely is going to affect you.
Second of all, if you allow this to stand, when companies and organizations do things likethis, when you get to a certain percentage of authority and power, then you're able to
roll over anyone.
What happens when they decide they've taken enough power, they've been able to roll overpeople and take their land and they decide they're going to build a pipe through your

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subdivision because that's the best place to go.
What are you going to do about it?
There's nothing you can do about it.
they're not going to take property around from subdivisions.
You give them enough power, they will, because they will do whatever it takes to make surethey get the 45Q, to make sure they get the billions of dollars that they need.

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and you buy your hope subdivision for a billion dollars, it's a drop in the bucket.
It's no big deal.
Go find someplace else to live.
So it affects all of us.
It's your water.
And yeah, it could possibly come to your property.
Not even to mention the other implications of allowing the legislature to abrogate, tochange your rights as guaranteed in constitution.

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What's the next thing they're going to pass?
That's right.
When are they going to ignore the Constitution on some other issue?
Oh, Mark, that's not going to happen.
Really?
Let me remind you of the COVID error and what we went through.
And we were told on airplanes, is federal law that you wear a mask.
An absolute failure to understand, number one, how a law is made.

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The Congress did not, the president didn't sign anything, and the executive does not havethe authority
to make a law and never did.
Neither does the FAA.
That's just a small example.
Whether you're a store or the law says you have to be six feet apart, the law says this,the law never said any of those things.

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But you said it so often, people began to believe it, and many complied because they wereafraid of the law.
It didn't exist.
So don't tell me that this can't slide into some place where we don't want it to go.
The unchecked will continue to fill the vacuum left behind it.

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And it will take more and more and more.
Power unchecked will continue to fill the vacuum left behind it.
That's a great, great phrase.
So well expressed.
the argument, our founders' belief was that when you allow the first encroachment bygovernment on a core constitutional right, from there it's just a matter of

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time and degree before it becomes more egregious, more egregious, and more egregious.
You know, the erosion of liberty, as ah James Madison said, is not one single precipitousloud burst.
It is death by a thousand cuts.
And that's why it is so important here that we do not allow this precedent to beestablished in our state for all the reasons that we've discussed here today.

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It's so important.
Danielle, any final comments?
Gary, any final comments?
Yeah, I just want to add one thing and I apologize at the beginning with my uh signalloss.
So it may have already discussed this, but one thing I want.
Yeah.
One thing I want, I want people to understand is that this is, this is a new science.

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This is new.
Uh, the talking points, uh, that are coming around from industry, the talking points fromthe governor Landry.
The talking points from economists such as Dr.
Scott is that this has been happening for 30 and 40 years.
They're equating enhanced oil recovery with permanent geologic storage of CO2.

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It's never been done in Louisiana.
It's not been going on for over 30, 40 years.
In fact, Louisiana just
It was in 2009 that Louisiana made it legal to sequester carbon.
We just approved the very first class six well.

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The department of natural resources just approved the very first well last week down inHackberry.
So for economists such as Dr.
Scott and the governor.
to keep telling people, we've been doing this for 30, 40 years.
You're either misleading or you're misinformed or you're lying.

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People need to understand.
of ever getting this back.
There's no intention of ever getting this back out of the ground.
Mm-mm.
Never never and and and and our whole model on our our our oil and gas is to be is to takeit out Everything has been taken out Now we're putting it something in permanently forever

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which we have no idea what will happen to it.
what's going to happen?
Not at all.
It's, it is very new.
the only other location that is currently being sequestered in the United States is up inDecatur, Illinois.
And it's already leaking into their water aquifer.
Uh, their governor, their legislators, they had to pass a law banning sequestration aroundthat aquifer, uh, just this past month.

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That's the only place, only location in the US that is currently being sequestered.
And I just want to make a fine point on that.
If Governor Pritzker is going to stand up for the people of Illinois, what is Jeff Landrydoing?
Yeah, that's a really good question.
excellent point.

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Speaking of Jeff Landry, Danielle, I understand through our exceedingly effectivegrapevine that today is the last day for Governor Landry to uh fulfill a promise that he
made and a meaning of landowners on September 10th.
He promised that if you don't want carbon capture sequestration in your parishes, youdon't have to have it.

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Give me 30 days to come up with a proposal and a solution.
Well, today is the 30th day.
So we will see what he does and if he is faithful to that commitment that he made in thatmeeting.
But I wanted to bring that up in connection with what is Governor Landry doing.
Hopefully something, even if it's here at the 11th hour.

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Yes.
You know, I want to remind you guys and our listeners before we let you go that we've gota call to action on lacag.org on this very issue specifically as it relates to the health
of this and also eminent domain.
You can do it at the action center, lacag.org.
We've had hundreds and hundreds of emails that have already gone to the governor and toothers on this issue.

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So way in, uh, in the spirit of John F Kennedy who said,
We are the boss.
Remember, we are the boss.
We will get the government that we demand and we deserve.
And if you don't demand good government, you're not going to get it.
That's it for me on this end, Danielle.
No, that's it.
Thank you gentlemen so much for spending some time with us, for sharing your expertise,for digging into this issue that's so vital to the future of our state.

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We really appreciate it.
Do you know, are there any hearings or town halls that are coming up that people should beaware of?
Yes, there, let's see, let get to my calendar here.
We do have uh a town hall that's going to be in Beaulieugar Parish on the 14th of October.

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And then, let's see, and then there's also a town hall on the 20th of October inLeesville.
Now, where those places are, I don't know yet.
We're very soon going to have those events placed on our calendar of events on uh
savemylouisiana.org where you can find that and also there's an opportunity there for youto donate to help us fund this legal action.

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There is no such thing as free.
There is no such thing as free.
Everything costs something and one of the last things that
the only thing that's free, Mark, is the $10 million a year that, well, it's free to thecorporations that are giving the $10 million a year to the local governments because we're
paying for it.
Yeah, that's not free because I'm paying for it and you're paying for it and we're allpaying for it.

(01:17:31):
So yeah, there's simply no such thing as somebody somewhere is paying the bill.
There's no such thing.
It might not be any cost to you, but somebody's paying.
And in all those two things, I would like to say three things in closing for me is we mustalways remember that we have a right to our property and our property is our generational

(01:17:51):
wealth.
It is how we take care of our future.
We take care of it now.
It's our stewardship responsibility.
And then we hand it off and it's the wealth that we can hand off.
What Save My Louisiana is doing is we are using the avenue of legal remedy to call intoquestion Act 61's constitutionality.

(01:18:13):
And we also intend to ask legally questions about have you completed environmental impactstudies?
on completely and comply with all the laws, Safe Drinking Water Act and all the other lawson our entire Louisiana aquifer.
We want to know that.
We also want to move in the direction of helping those who have been uh forced underduress to sign leases that now that we're unconstitutional begin with and now they can't

(01:18:42):
get out of them.
And so we want to be a part of that.
Also, environmental impact studies that haven't been created that FOIAs have not beenanswered.
about the Kasachi National Force.
We have endangered species that are unique to us in our Kasachi and we plan to put thisstuff around them.
That doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

(01:19:04):
And the last thing I have to say, and this is to listeners out there, is if you haven'theard about this yet, today's the first time you've heard the bell.
The bell is rung, so you've heard it, what are you gonna do about it?
Lots of people sat on their porches and would say, well, I'm gonna win day.
I'm gonna win day.

(01:19:24):
They're come take my guns.
I'm gonna.
Well, here we are.
We're there.
These people have come to take away one of your three basic guaranteed rights.
The government is required to protect.
The wolves are at the door.
What are you gonna do?
Are gonna let somebody else, you're gonna let me and Gary go out there and fight this foryou and deal with the situation?

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and find money to spend for it?
Are you not going to defend your own basic right to property?
You're to let someone else do it for you?
What are you going to do?
The bell is rung.
You don't just have to give money.
You can come and support us at the meetings.
You can get involved and be at the meetings.
You can talk to your representatives and get them off to the side.

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Don't get in a fight with them.
Just ask them, what were you doing?
Did you understand what you were doing?
Are you going to fix it?
Of course, there's always a way to donate as well, but...
Question is, you know now, what are you gonna do?
Great.
Excellent.
you have a special skill set, a talent, we need your help.

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Like the Colonel said, we can't do it by ourselves.
We need help.
So if you do have a skill set or talent that you can plug in, go to Save My Louisiana andsign up and help us in the fight.
I almost said it, Colonel.
Help us in this battle.
Yes.
And we're going to be doing that right here.

(01:20:51):
two uh web addresses, Save My Louisiana and Save Our Louisiana.
Which one is it?
I'm sorry.
it's a save my Louisiana.org.
Okay, I got it wrong then.
Okay, we'll get the right one in the show notes and I'll put it in the comments.
And we'll be doing our part right here for y'all, for sure.
We'll be doing our part to spread the word all over the state of Louisiana on the state offreedom.

(01:21:14):
And LCAG, for its part, uh has done a legislative summary on the Beauregard reps andCalcasieu reps and senators on 18 or 20 votes, dealing specifically with CCS and eminent
domain that we are circulating.
think one of the great weapons that we have is information.
and letting voters know specifically how their legislators have voted so they can makeinformed decisions when they go vote.

(01:21:41):
And also reach out to their legislators, as you said, Gary, and ask them about this.
You know, it's really important.
So maybe y'all can get that at some point up on your website as well.
Yeah, and we'll be putting that in the show notes.
Thank you gentlemen so much and we will love to stay in touch with you about this.
God bless you.

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All right, Chris, what a gift these two gentlemen are to our state.
I mean, they have dug in and they I was so impressed with the colonel's knowledge of theConstitution.
And I think what Gary said about the police juries and the sheriffs is absolutely vital.
No question about it, know, constitutional sheriffs, and that is something they have to beaware of.

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They have a unique, uniquely powerful role in helping to protect Louisiana citizens, thesheriffs, ah and of course, you know, the local police juries for sure.
I think it's very sad that these corporations are trying to buy off the local policejuries, ah you know, for this.

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think that's really sad.
And I think that perhaps even sadder is that
some of these police jurors are vulnerable to being bought off.
uh
You know, I'm reminded of what James O'Keefe said not too long ago.
What's your price?
Is it a million, five million, 10 million?
If you have a price, I mean, if there's a number, then you have a price.

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I mean, you shouldn't be able to be bought off.
This is people's lives.
Absolutely people's lives.
And I think these guys covered this issue in a very comprehensive way and in a way thatreally brings it home to every Louisiana citizen that you all, we all have a vested
interest in defeating this.
It's not the guy down the street.

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It's not the guy with 50 acres, two or three miles away from you.
It's all of us, both because of the precedents that's being set and from a practical pointof view, how we can all be affected by how this
poison carbonic acid moves under the ground and we never know where it's going to end up.
And I think that's, they made those points, you know, I think very, very well.

(01:23:57):
I'm also interested, Danielle, in the letter, the letter that the state reps, the 20 statereps sent this morning to President Trump and uh we'll be posting it up on LeCag.
I'm sure, you know, the state of freedom will probably post that letter as well.
I think that's a great development.
that's excellent.
That's absolutely excellent.
And I think you're absolutely right that if members of our legislature are on that letterwho voted in Act 61 and voted against repealing it this past session, it's because a

(01:24:25):
serious fire has been lit under their bum.
And that is just a fact.
That's a fact.
our group, the State of Freedom, Louisiana Citizen Advocacy Group, Save My Louisiana,Alliance Against Carbon Capture, Sequestration, and all of the groups in this coalition
that we have formed all deserve great credit for the fact that that letter went toPresident Trump either yesterday or today.

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And the only reason why it was done was because of grassroots activism.
which once again is being proven that it works.
Yeah, and on the issue of grassroots activism, Chris, I just want to encourage our viewerson one more point.
If you are in a grassroots organization or if you're just a single concerned citizen, goand talk not only to your police jury member, don't only address the police jury, but go

(01:25:22):
and inform your sheriff that this is coming to knock on their door and you expect them totake appropriate action.
I think that the sheriffs need to be aware of this and I'm not sure that they are.
Maybe the ones in the most critical parishes where this is actually being a heated debateare, but places like Terrebonne, I'm not sure.

(01:25:44):
Places like East Baton Rouge, I'm not sure that the sheriffs are aware.
So let's just make sure that we are equipping these sheriffs to be able to takeappropriate action when that does come to their doorstep.
Specifically Danielle, the sheriff of Beauregard Parish, the sheriff of Allen Parish, asyou're alluding to, the sheriff of Vernon Parish.

(01:26:06):
Those are the parishes that really are in the bulls eye right now for this.
So I think it is incumbent upon the sheriffs of those parishes to understand what theirresponsibility is.
And if they exercise that responsibility of the Constitution faithfully, other sheriffsare very likely to follow suit.

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A few with courage, as you know, to light the fire and to inflame the streets of life sothat all the rest of us can see.
A few courageous people in the beginning, Daniel.
That's right.
And just a couple of announcements, Chris, before we go.
We will be back here on Tuesday, 10 a.m.
Central with more talk on carbon capture and sequestration with an unlikely ally andenvironmentalist from Healthy Gulf.

(01:26:54):
uh Scott Eustis will be with us and he'll be talking about uh his perspective on CCS andwhy he is adamantly against it and why their organization is against carbon capture in
Louisiana.
And also another reminder to get out to vote in your local elections this Saturday.

(01:27:15):
This Saturday is an election for clerk of court in Terrebonne.
I know it's for a city court judge that we had.
We had Brendan uh Craig on Tuesday and he's on the ballot in East Baton Rouge.
I'm sure there are elections all across the state for for similar uh races.
So please get out and vote.

(01:27:35):
And if you're not sure who to vote for, you know.
I'm sure you have some good people in your pocket to dial a friend and say, give me therundown on these folks.
Yep.
Remind, either go vote, go participate, or you're just going to have to clam up becauseyou kind of forfeit your right to express a meaningful opinion if you don't participate in

(01:27:56):
the process.
That's not that you don't have a right to speak, but you don't have a lot of credibilityif you're not participating in the process.
And that's really, really important, Danielle.
And it's a great, great reminder ah for people to go vote this Saturday.
It was a right that was bequeathed to us at great, great cost.
And uh we need to honor the people who gave it to us by participating in it.

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And also want to encourage everybody to continue to subscribe to the state of freedom.
This is the weapon whereby we are going to spread the voice of liberty and freedom, justlike we did today, all across the state of Louisiana with two loyalties and beyond and
beyond.
uh so join us, support us, subscribe, donate and advertise on the state of freedom.

(01:28:44):
Also, uh Lecag, L-A-C-A-G dot org.
We really have become the watchdog group in the Louisiana legislature for Louisianacitizens.
We are beholden to nobody except the constitution and Louisiana citizens.
And we need your support and your help to continue this fight.

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So if you're, if you're disillusioned about your politicians, disillusioned about yourgovernment, we are your army.
We are your refuge for lack of better word, and we need your support and your help.
so do that for us.
And Danielle, it's always a pleasure.
I can't believe an hour and 29 minutes has gone by.

(01:29:29):
When I'm having fun with you, Danielle, it feels like about 45 seconds.
It's been a wonderful conversation today.
I'm just so thrilled that we've had the opportunity to sit down with these gentlemen andreally get an education ourselves and help to get the word out to people not only in
Louisiana, but beyond our borders who this would be affecting because this fight is notjust in the state of Louisiana.

(01:29:52):
We've seen it happening all across the country.
so we just encourage people to equip yourself now that you know the basics, uh like theColonel said.
The bell has been wrong, so now what are you gonna do with it?
Well said, well said.
God bless you, Danielle, and we will reconvene soon.
And in the words of one of my biggest heroes, William F.

(01:30:15):
Buckley Jr., in vain, we shall go.
Awesome.
See you soon, Chris.
Thank you.
God bless.

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