FLF: #17 Unraveling the Truth at Ground Zero w/ Brad Zerbo

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Welcome to For the Love of Freedom.
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It helps me out so much.
I am your host Danielle Walker and on this show we meet people who have rejected thestatus quo.
have broken with convention and each in their own way are working to bring freedom to theworld.
Joining me today on the eve of the 24th anniversary of the horrific attacks of 9-11 issomeone who has perhaps spent more time researching and analyzing the events of that day

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than anyone else.
He's dug into the people involved, the government agencies and corporations connected toit, the physical infrastructure impacted, the cash flows.
and a whole, whole lot more.
I am so honored to have Brad Zerbo with me today.
He is the writer and producer of the newly released documentary called Codex 911.

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Welcome to the show, Brad.
Thanks for joining me.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
It's the conversation, like you said, on the eve.
This is the perfect time to have it.
Yeah, it absolutely is.
Well, Brad, I always like to start out the show with by framing it with a scripture andthe scripture for today is Psalm chapter nine verse 16.

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So I'll just read that.
And it says, I think it's so appropriate for today.
says, the Lord is famous for this.
His justice will punish the wicked while they are digging a pit for others.
They are actually setting the terms for their own judgment.
They will fall into their own pit.
And then it says, consider the truth of this and pause in his presence.

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And I just want to make that a prophetic decree over the victims, the families, the firstresponders, and really the whole nation.
This passage is a promise of the Lord that he will bring justice and he will judge thewicked.
And this morning I'm declaring that the events and the personal and mass trauma caused by9-11 will

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we'll see justice because to date we haven't seen it.
Yeah, no, couldn't agree more.
I would call that the boomerang effect.
A lot of the things they do seems to especially in the last however many years seems to beboomeranging back on them and they they set the precedent for their own demise.

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Yeah, 100%.
Well, Brad, for those of uh those in my audience who don't know you, would you introduceyourself and give some color to your surveying and building engineering background?
Sure, I'm I'm I guess a researcher investigative journalist, but originally my originalprofession is in surveying detailing and uh layout engineer for skyscrapers in Manhattan.

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I started that in 2002, February of 2002.
And I started these two, uh I guess legs of my life did overlap for a while from 2017.
to the end of 2019, but now a full on researcher and I guess now podcaster for the lastcouple of years as well.

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But I used to be more just kind of formal digs and, and pre-made content.
Like you guys saw with Codex 9 11 and it's digging into basically this crazy world and alot of, a lot of the different things that, have been

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sort of coming out these last eight, nine years is passion of mine, but specifically theSeptember 11th attacks, I think are an extra passion of mine, one because of what I did.
I built skyscrapers in Manhattan for 17 years and also too, cause it was my backyard.
grew up, you know, born in New York city, grew up in New Jersey, right over the water.

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And that, those attacks,
They affected the whole world.
They obviously affected the country to a great degree, but the New York City area andobviously in the surrounding areas around it, man, that trauma didn't leave for years.
It was there, it was in everyone's face for a long time.

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And then like you're saying, you touched on just a moment ago, every single year, theymake sure they re-traumatize you with it.
So I take a personal offense to that more than anything.
And also I take personal offense to the fact that, and this is also on me a little bit,that I did buy the narrative in the very beginning for a while.

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It's not something that I actively questioned or thought about.
So it's not like I was just continually rebuying it, but they hit you with that traumaright away.
You're instantly bonded to it.
You instantly accept it.
Cause it's when you're in that state, you're kind of just in a state of taking everythingin.
And I feel, I feel personally, I guess called to really push back on that because that'ssomething that they did to me and my friends and the wars.

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I very much supported the wars.
I basically your typical New York mentality.
You want to just punch someone in the face.
immediately after that and continually.
And when I look back on it, it's all so gross to me.
Yeah, it's absolutely disgusting.
maybe, would you tell us a little bit about the name of the film, Codex 911, why you chosethat name and what it means to you?

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Uh, yeah.
You know, also kind of, I, I like to dig into many things.
I'm sure yourself does.
And as a researcher, you get pulled in different directions.
There was a couple of years where I was doing, uh, kind of a personal dig, nothing I'veput anything out on, on the codex sinaticis and codex Vaticanus.

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And it's all very fascinating to me.
And then just, you know, the different manuscripts and how they may have been manipulatedover the years, or, maybe things have been manipulated and taken out over the years and,
all that.
So the, the idea of a codex, like an ancient manuscript, kind of stuck with me when I waslooking for a name and I was just, I just felt like, Codex 9 11.

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And it kind of not that it's an ancient manuscript.
So I guess it's not the exact.
exact one-to-one, but just that I was trying to put together a manual for 9-Eleven.
I did two things here.
uh There's the dig that I've been working on for years and years and years, right?

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Since November of 2017, when I was first tasked to even question 9-Eleven, when I askedquestions that made me think, man, 9-Eleven too?
And then I started looking into it and the floodgates opened.
There's so much information.
that I can't believe, you know, they're not gonna give it to you, right?
But it's there if you start looking.

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And that was especially before they started really locking up the internet, you know, wehad kind of a little bit of a head start.
And so what I, so I have the dig and the information, right?
But also what I tried to do was make it a manual.
So one thing people will notice is, should notice anyway when you're watching it, I triedto make it plausible.

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where you can pause and take a screenshot and have all the information you need on thescreen.
you wanna know where such and such that I'm talking about?
Pause the screen.
There's the PDF.
There's the official thing in the corner.
There's the page.
Here's the exact paragraph.
Because what's something I see with a lot of documentaries, you know, anywhere fromyour...

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typical Discovery Channel documentary to even a lot of truth or documentaries is there'llbe a Say there'll be a shot of the towers while they will they say all these things and
Maybe it's true and maybe it's not a lot of times They're vetted depending on the qualityof them and you can say they're true But it's like where did you get that from?

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It's just at this point something someone's saying so I try to really make it one visualbut also to
Kind of like a manuscript that people can go back to and stop and go get the receipts toshow someone or do their own digs and spider off it.
The sourcing is incredible and the way that you walk us through what happened, I think,was so helpful because, I mean, I haven't believed for a number of years, certainly not as

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far back as 2017.
But when I started my own awakening, 9-11 was kind of in the mix of things that you startto question about reality.
But I had never dug into it enough to really understand what it was that happened.

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If you were to characterize 9-11 for someone who knew nothing about it, how would youdescribe it to people?
Um, it's funny cause I feel like there's probably, well, everyone knows nine 11 or feelslike they know nine 11, right?
Uh, as far as what you and I perceive, and I guess many others growing as time goes on aswhat really happened.

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Nine 11 is it was their I almost feel like it's their perfection of Vietnam because in theVietnam.
They sort of had this ongoing conflict.
A lot of politicians made their careers on.
A lot of people made money on that.
Sort of went nowhere.

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They'd take a hill one day, they'd give it back the next.
And it was just, it was the beginning, I think, template of the forever war.
And I don't think they were happy that it ended when it did.
Because again, a lot of people, there were a lot of things done.
A lot of people made a lot of money.
A lot of the...
military industrial complex, engine was ran from it, but it was also horrifying.

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So what they were able to do in the Middle East with the 9-11 attacks is instead of havinga specific target, although this target was Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda, allegedly, the
real overarching target was terror.
They gave us a broad spectrum target.

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that wasn't specific that they can just do.
And definitely we still have troops in the middle East is 24 years later.
Tomorrow will be 24 years since the day.
And, uh, you know, October 7th will be 24 years since we officially went into Afghanistan.
And I think that was probably the big plan.

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I touch on this at the very end, although I did try to keep my speculation as low aspossible on this, but
It was the grand opening to run amok on the world stage that you can you're just fightingterror.
You can pretty much go anywhere you want.
You can have different different agencies running clandestine activities under the coverof of military operations and anything you can do.

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And a lot of people made a lot of money.
A lot of politicians made their careers, but also
the psychological effects of what they did to us and even just the ongoing war and allthis.
I think it was kind of a
It was it was a crippling of society and excuse to take away our freedoms, but also kindof a mental crippling of people.

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I think you could look at the it's a it's a complete change.
If you look at the attacks and think about I think about growing up in the 90s.
what it felt like, the freedoms, even though it was already getting changed if you lookhistorically.
But if you look at the freedoms, the way we treated each other and the way we acted asopposed to, say you jump to the 2010s and the whole world was changed and I think that was

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the key to it.
I think so too, because fear divides.
And if you traumatize people and cause them to be suspicious, of having a neutral firstreact, instead of their opening being neutral, it's already fearsome.
Then how can you, you're already accomplishing what you wanna do by divide, you separatepeople emotionally and personally, and then your job's so much easier.

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as an evil person.
Yeah, I think it made everything very, well, we better elect the right person.
What if another 9-11 or another bad thing happens and it made everything very important.
But I think they obviously use that against us at the way they use our patriotism againstus as well.
I feel, I feel very much triggered by that when I think about it too.

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Cause I mean, one of the beautiful things that happened after 9-11 was New York.
were
patriotism and flags and unity everywhere.
And that was a brief moment born out of a horrible event.
That actually was beautiful.
And they took that.
I mean, they were counting on it, I assume anyway.

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They took that and said, well, now we got to get them.
And then headed off onto this trail of horror and war and how many people...
You talk about people a lot of people focus on how many people died in the attacks Howmany how many of our bravest soldiers were sent to die in the middle east?

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Or again, how many people in the middle east were killed?
during this and it's one of those things where Everyone on all sides has been manipulatedeven the people over there, right?
And so we talk about I've heard I've had soldiers
uh I've heard them not even necessarily to me, but just over the years of study and I'veseen people who have kind of awoken to what seems to have happened with the attacks and

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they feel like they wasted their service.
But I kind of feel like that's missing the point a little.
It's almost like, well, the monster's there.
We could talk about who created the monster and had our hand and the radicalization overthere and kind of creating this boogeyman.
But once the monsters there, you do need heroes to stop it.

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Then we can then we can move on to hey, wait a second, you guys created this monster.
That's a different conversation.
But if you don't have heroes to go stop it, they let us they let us steamroll us, believeanyway.
I mean, they're always trying to knock us down.
I think a major and this is just my own my own theory here.

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But I think a major goal
of a lot of the people who pull the strings is to knock the United States of America downto a third world nation, a much more controllable third world nation like you see that
they've done.
They're really working towards in Europe right now, but they've done it in a lot ofdifferent areas across the world.

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And I think our constitution, specifically the bill of rights really hinders that inAmerica and it kills them.
So erosion of freedoms, anything to knock us down.
and get us to fight with each other.
I think those are overarching goals of a lot of these type of situations.
And who would you characterize as behind this?

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Because you say they did this and they sent the soldiers there.
uh You outlined some specific people in your film, but do you want to talk a little bitabout who and the kinds of people that might be behind it?
Yeah, again, a lot of it's speculation.
I tried to keep it low, my speculation low in the film.
But the fun is we get to talk about it here then right.

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And uh so I mean, in a broad sense, I am a subscriber to the global cabal theory of peoplekind of, they do run different deep state factions.
I this one I ascribe is funny, a lot of people, they ascribe 911
to the Israeli deep state.
I think they definitely helped for sure.

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I think there's evidence of that.
And there's even things that weren't in this where, they were, they called them thedancing Israelis who were arrested.
And I think that at least shows foreknowledge.
I don't know if that says that they a hundred percent did it, but I think they helped.
really the American deep state.
And again, it's a global thing to me.

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And I think the American deep state and the Israeli deep state and that, you you talkabout
things in the United Kingdom, they have their own deep state, they're really everywhere.
Europe right now is being destroyed by people who are part of this cabal.
But I think it looks to me anyway, as I think I've proven in this film is a lot of it goesto the freaking CIA, our own CIA, a lot of it, kind of the the neocon subsphere and things

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like the project for New American Century and, and things that are coming out of that and
Again, it goes to a lot more agencies.
You look at the aftermath with again, so a familiar name to a lot of people out thereright now, a clapper, what they were doing in Nima and they kind of gave the keys to to go
into Iraq with the WMDs.

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And you just look at it.
It looks like the FBI with Mueller certainly was, I believe, involved.
And again, I don't believe these agencies as a whole are involved.
There's lots of good people, I assume, in all of these agencies.
But it goes back to something, I don't know if you're familiar with Edward Bernays, thewritings of him.

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So he was Freud's nephew and he wrote the book called Propaganda.
And there are a lot of different tenets from that book.
And he's not a known Woodrow Wilson had him in his World War I propaganda council.
So he is attached very much to our world.

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He is one of the people who ran the fluoride campaign to get fluoride in the water in thefifties.
He's done.
Yes, exactly.
So this guy is mired in even more things a lot in in our world.
Joseph Kerbals literally cites his book, Propaganda, as where he got the group dynamics torun a lot of his propaganda campaigns during World War II.

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And he talks about group dynamics and he talks about the idea of you don't have tocompromise an entire group.
All you have to do is compromise uh a couple big names at the top or to get a couple ofyour guys in there and they can...
they can sway entire groups to where these people don't even necessarily know 100 % ifthey're involved in some sort of nefarious goings and basically you can move the world

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just by getting into certain groups.
it seems like they have their people embedded, mean, big shocker, and the CIA, the FBI,the...
You go into things again like Nima there's a and there's even others other agencies thatagain, oh, they had it like the agency that runs our spy satellites had a had a event

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scheduled, where a mock drill where planes were going to fly into one of their buildingson September 11.
That's confusion right there.
That's specific.
So that's I believe it was the American deep state.
that was the head of the snake of 9-11, but I do think there was help from their buddiesabroad as well.

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Yeah, it's so sick.
It's absolutely sick to think that people could do this to their own country, that theywant to do this to their own country.
That, mean, the only thing that I can, I mean, it is absolutely satanic because they don'tcare about the lives spent.
And then it's, to me, the only thing I can say is that it's an unquenchable thirst forpower and money.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
100 % it a complete control and power over the world seems to be it.
I agree that satanic.
Yeah.
I'd say even, you know, a lot of them, right.
Luciferian ism seems to be at the heart of a lot of this.
I heard there's a truth to that.

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I feature at one point in the film mainly because boy, he pretty much called nine 11 or atleast the
something that something was going to happen a couple of months before, but I've heard himbring it down to the point of where it's like, you might not believe in the occult and
that type of stuff, but they do.

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So for whatever reason, it's, you should at least study it.
They look at things like the skull and bones, right?
A lot of that comes up because the bushes were skull and bones.
Even John Kerry, who ran against him in 2004, have two former skull or
current skull and bones members running for the same office almost what does it matter atthat point, right?

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Who wins?
But you look into that stuff, you're like, well, that's just a fraternity.
Maybe.
Well, their initiations are very occultish and you know, they're initiated in a freakingcasket with, you know, people can look up what, in, in titles, but these people are very
much into the occult.

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You look at the things like Bohemian Grove.
Right.
that's just a boys club that they go to.
Oh yeah.
What did you do Johnny last week?
I hung out and we all hung out and drank and played YouTube videos.
Yeah.
You know what they did?
They got together in black robes and burned an effigy like, you know what I mean?

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Like the people are like weird when you bring up this stuff, you're like, listen, I thinkit's weird.
Okay.
I also agree that it's weird, but they are.
There's a cult type stuff all mired in this world.
So I don't think people kind of roll their eyes when you say, it's satanic or Luciferian.
It's like, it's something.

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The occult is very much involved in these people.
And then I think that becomes to the power and money, like you're saying.
And they use our own money.
They use our tax dollars to fund a lot of this.
And I think that's a lot of goes to a lot of what's been.
was revealed with the USAID and a lot of the things that that money was going to and thenjust across the board.

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There a lot of the things they waste our tax dollars on.
They're not wasting it.
They're using it to fund our very demise and our very imprisonment, really.
Yeah, 100%.
Now in your film, the statistical impossibilities of some of the evidence you point out isabsolutely staggering.
You walked us through very systematically the building collapses, not being normal, ah ifyou know, or even possible, not even being possible.

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You talk about a magic suitcase and the pre-collapse reporting of building seven.
What was it that you learned first in your research that moved you?
You talked about from believing the mainstream narrative, not really questioning it all,to ultimately saying, wait a second, there's absolutely no chance this went down the way

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they told us.
Yeah, I guess there's a couple early ones, probably a little foggy of which I specificallylearned first, but the passport that they found at ground zero, and that one's unscathed.
They found four passports, one in the magic suitcase.
All of a sudden you're finding all these passports.

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I don't know who decided this was gonna be a thing, but it's probably stupid in hindsight.
They found them.
the magic passport and one in the suitcase.
They found two allegedly at where flight 93 crash the plane.
There's only little tiny metal scraps this big.
There's no big wings.
There's no sections.

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There's no luggage anywhere.
There's no buys anywhere, but they found two passports, at least one of them.
They, they burned half of it, but then it's specifically the fourth one that they found atground zero.
And it's just,
It's just insane.
And a little Easter egg there is that they specifically found it.

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There was Vessi street, well, whatever the North street of that, of the complexes, Ibelieve it was Vessi street.
And they specifically say that it was found on Vessi street before after the two planes,but before they collapse.
So when I'm talking about that, that video is video of say, I think it's

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might've been WPIX or one of the local stations on Vessi Street after the attacks, beforethey collapsed.
First of all, no one's even on the street.
There's no one there and there's litter trash everywhere.
So someone's just walking down in Manhattan and be like, whoa, uh there's a, I knowthere's a hundred pieces of trash here, but look at that specific square one.

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Let me pick that up.
It's so ridiculous.
And that,
is ridiculous in itself, but then just the fact that the whole plane explodes into thismassive, looks like a little nuke went off.
Everything incinerated to dust, except the passport.

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The passport survived the way it fly out of his top pocket right before they hit thebuilding.
Like, what are you trying to say here?
Also to another thing is that a flight 11 hits the building.
coming from North going South, but they, they say they found that passport North behindwhere it hit.

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So that means, boom, the fireball hits goes this way, projecting that way, but hispassport went backwards.
So there's just a whole bunch of things that it's nice to talk about too, cause some ofit, boy, I was trying so desperately to make it two hours and one of them two and a half
hours was the compromise, but there were so many things that

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The original script I have four paragraphs on that turns into one line like the magicpassport by the time I'm trying to get through it without making a 17 hour documentary,
right?
But yeah, that the passport.
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
So one point you brought out was that Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden were recruited andtrained by the CIA.

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Do you think the CIA directed Osama bin Laden, Freudian slip there, and Al Qaeda to planattacks on US targets?
Or was he just like a run of the mill terrorist and like
Part of what I kind of envision is, so they train this guy, they train Al-Qaeda, theybring the CIA, and you said uh Pakistani military in to train these guys.

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And then they just kind of let them go do whatever, but they make them out to be some kindof um terrorist that's gunning for the US, even though maybe they're not.
And then they chase them down like dogs afterwards.
Yeah, it's interesting because again, it's kind of a pattern.
If you start looking into over time where we will support some rebel faction and somewhereand there they'll get up and they'll do what they're going to do.

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And I think that's obviously real.
You're right.
The war against the Soviets was real in Afghanistan.
And we got to stop that communism.
I hate communism, but they they use that as their excuse, right?
To fund things and
and create terror all around the world.
So that is, I believe, real.

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I don't know if it's tying up a loose end or just making the most out of somethingmultiple times.
Because again, we helped.
So we gave Saddam the chemical weapons that he used on Iran.
And then again, Saddam comes the big bad guy.
And again, I don't think, I think some people...
Not yourself is not obviously not what you're saying, but I've kind of gotten a little bitlike well Do you think al-qaeda and Saddam and all these people are good guys?

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No, sir I'm certainly not saying that I don't even know how much of what you hear is realat this point or what's you Smith-mundag or What's coming through the pipe?
But I assume especially life is very different there
Some of it's probably real and I don't think any of these guys are boy scouts.
But as far as Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, we funded the Mujahideen with an operationcalled Operation Cyclone during the Soviet war.

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Part of that was funding Osama bin Laden's main handler, Jalal al-Hakani and the Hakaninetwork, who totally took Osama under his wing.
and help them and then Osama's on a mission after this is all breaking up says even theAmericans themselves were training them and that they were getting money from the Saudis

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and the Saudis is who we ran our program to fund the Mujahideen through the Saudis throughPakistan into Afghanistan and so I don't know how much of it is
Well, now we're going to use them or if it's an opportunity or say, all right, now wecould just use them as the new bad guy.
I think they're just looking for a new boogeyman at all times.

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And a lot of times it's too, too full.
You get to tie up your loose ends that you just wreaked havoc with for a decade, but alsothen you get to use them as your new boogeyman to do whatever you want.
So you're almost quieting that.
And it's like you gave someone a gun to do a murder.

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If you say the mafia, right?
And they're using an outside contractor.
And then all of a sudden, we have to get this guy.
You know, he was talking about someone and then they take that guy out because they wantto tie up their loose end.
They don't want anyone to talk or something.
I assume it's one of those deals.
But again, who knows exactly how it's working.
All I know is that it's quite interesting that we fund all these rebel groups and thenliterally once whatever happens is done.

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Well, then we got to get them because they're our enemy now.
It just it happens too many times for it not to be a systematic, the systematic scriptthat they're following that works is something that works.
When I was starting kind of down this awakening path, you know, it's so easy and it's justlike human nature to want to be black and white about things.

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Like were they good or were they bad?
And, and, and as you're talking, um, I was reminded of that book you mentioned, um, firstin, I can't remember who wrote it.
Stephen Cole maybe wrote that book.
it the guy, the first guy who went in ghost wars?
So the guy who went into Afghanistan first, I read that book at the time.

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And then as I looked back on it, I was like, well, he must've been a bad guy.
But even as you kind of unpack this kind of uh detail over the course of your awakeningprocess, you're like, there's a solid chance he thought he was doing the right thing.
Like there's a solid chance he had no idea and was absolutely being used by those crooksum to, you know, to be a

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a patriot, know, they use or leverage his patriotism and his call to duty and serviceagainst him, just like they have so many soldiers and so many first responders and, and,
and.
Yeah, it's funny.
I love that you say that with everything being black and white.
Everyone's a clear cut good guy or bad guy.

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They're like white hat, black hat.
I think there's a lot of shades of gray.
I think there's a lot of, again, you could kind of use people and maybe they're a little,a little bad or a little suggestible, but maybe not the arch villains that we think.
And then there's probably people, you know, there's a lot of good people.

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We're all in perfect, right?
where who could be maybe uh not as great as you want to believe because no one's perfect.
So I think there's lots of shades of gray, but I think there are definitely uh specificgroups who do know what they're doing.
I think there are people who are 100 % bad as far as the book Ghost Wars.

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And I don't think that was necessarily
Bad or good, think so.
I think this is an honest dig into the precursor to 9-11.
But I think in doing that, he reveals a lot of stuff that when you look back on it, yousay, what do you mean they were working on this?
do you mean?
Oh, they were looking for Osama Bin Laden for years, which is like, yeah, well, of coursehe did this and that, but then he started looking further and he's like, well, the US says

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coal.
That's another one that he's not charged with when you when you start breaking down andagain This is goes to what I was telling well I was trying to put everything on the page
on paper that you can start looking into their internal documents and say that they theynever Fully they were never able to peg that on him.
This was basically their hunch was that it was him and al-qaeda and Then you go with itand then even on the 9-eleven.

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They're talking about the USS Cole with
The embassy bombings are the ones they really do pin on him.
But again, that's nothing new over there.
There's a suicide bomb over there is pretty much what they do.
When you get to the sophistication of 9-11, you say, hey, this guy who organized suicidebombers over in the Middle East was able to pull off the most sophisticated attack in

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freaking human history.
When you look at all the moving parts of 9-11.
That's when you start getting to the questions.
So I think, I think certain digs like, like in Ghost Wars and the precursors of what the,of what the situations were going on in Afghanistan and working with people.
And I thought it was very, one of the, obviously the thing I focused on from that bookmore than anything is them test the CIA and Air Force testing their drone technology and

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obviously drones, flying drone planes.
as drones that's been around for 30, 40 years, they've been able to do that.
I think even more back to maybe the sixties, but they weren't able to fully do it.
had to have the control station at a takeoff landing that was obviously close enough.
And so it was kind of became a localized thing.

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And then they test it and they ran those first drone flights fully from the CIA.
from CIA building right in Langley, Virginia in Afghanistan.
And I, that was to me when I heard that they had figured that out one year before 9 11,that this is like massive leap in what you can do with a drone plane right before what

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seems to be if I believe they were drones that did 9 11, I feel like I at least made mycase for that.
That
That to me was almost like the missing puzzle because then everything fits in a operationNorthwoods everything lines up They talk about use the use of drone planes for it.
They when you look at again when you're digging into the the amalgam Virgo What are thetwo drone plane designations nine and eleven?

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Yeah, all of a sudden.
It's like everything starts lining up and then again I felt one of the things I like aboutthis
that is that I was able when I was scaling them, how they all were coming up short.
That was the that was the real solidification for me.

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So that's something that kind of spidered out of a drone dig that led me to that book.
And then that book kind of opened up a lot of things.
And I don't necessarily think there was anything to forest.
I think it's an honest dig.
But I think a lot of these things is
You can look into a lot of the different things into the different stuff and start realizeand start putting the puzzle together.

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And I read a lot of books in the making of this.
And again, none of them, most of them anyway, not specifically about 9 11, but about thethings around it.
You know, there's a good book called the iron triangle about the Carlisle group andthere's a whole wealth of information on them.
But then there's the stuff that, well, voice sure seems interesting when you put it in theconcept in the context of 9 11.

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So yeah, uh, I like what you're saying about maybe, maybe not everything touching thetaxes, black hat or white hat.
Some of it just kind of is like, it's parallel.
oh
You know what's interesting?
So in the context of the scripture from this morning and what you're saying, I think aboutafter 9-11, actually even before 9-11, I guess, the Middle East was, was figuring very

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large in the news way before 9-11.
I was in college.
was a sophomore, a junior when 9-11 happened.
I remember my dad called me.
and told me that the Pentagon was struck.
And I was like so stunned.
I was standing at the bus stop and I was like, what do you mean?
Like our Pentagon, our Pentagon?
Like I couldn't even fathom what he would mean about a Pentagon being hit, especially notthat one.

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uh But years later in my master's studies, I was studying Middle East uh politics and uhwas really...
interested in this stuff.
And so was, I was reading on my own, think some of these books that you brought up duringthe documentary.
And at the time of reading those, like I'm remembering in your documentary, I'mremembering my reading of those books.

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I'm remembering my confusion in those books.
I'm like, wait a second.
So the nine 11 attackers were from Saudi Arabia.
So the first CIA agent goes into
Afghanistan and we go to war in Iraq.
Why does this not make sense?

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So crazy.
Yes.
A million percent.
Especially it's funny because Iraq seems to be one of the main targets.
You know, we do with Al Qaeda and Afghanistan, we do that first.
But if you go back and I'm sure you ran into a lot of this and what you're speaking of,they had been talking about going back to Iraq and taking care of Saddam once and for all

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throughout the entire nineties.
And then again, Saddam was built up.
Well, personal people wonder why he was left alive anyway in the first Gulf War isprobably left alive to be used again and then Osama bin Laden starts coming up and these
become the two the two boogeymen of the Middle East all peppered out through the 90s andthere are things that like like I bring up the project for a new American century.

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They have open letters
in 99 talking about the wmds and we have to go we have to go stop sit down once and forall and the only way to do it and save ourselves from the wmds which we helped give them
is to is for ground invasion so this is years before bush administration's even in they'retalking about it i believe the figure was i say it in the i say it in the piece i believe

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was 14 members of
The project for a new American century went on to be in the Bush administration.
And again, a lot of them to this day, they, uh, they, they are still kind of mired inworld politics.
And there's a, look at stuff that happened, not to go on a huge tangent, but some of thestuff that went down in Ukraine that laid the groundwork for what we're dealing today back

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in uh the year of my Don and 2014.
And Victoria Newland had a lot to do with that for the Obama administration.
And she's married to Kagan, who was one of the people who started a project for NewAmerican Century.
And he's one of the specific people who wrote that open letter.
I believe it was to the New York Times in 99.

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You're like, hey, there are different sides of the aisle.
There are no different sides.
There's the globalist cabal.
We want to
run the world and lock you down side.
And then there's the Patriots.
they just wear different color badges on their shirts.

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That's it.
Yep.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So when you think about, at that time, mean, I was, look, I grew up listening to RushLimbaugh with my dad.
I was, you know, through and through as Republican, conservative as you could get.

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Definitely we needed to go to war.
We had to get those guys, even though it was the wrong country and it didn't make sense.
uh But you think back, some of my big heroes from that time, man, I just,
I had so much admiration for Condi Rice, for Colin Powell.
I mean, I defended George Bush when that's just, that just makes my stomach turn now toknow that I did that.

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When you look back at it, and I mean, Rudy Giuliani was a huge hero of mine and still is,and God bless him for living among the freaking sharks like that.
Do you think he knew, like here he is, I remember vividly the stories of him, like maybegetting 30 minutes of sleep.
per day in the months following 9-11.

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Like, the man was an absolute machine and a hero.
Do you think he knew that George W.
was a piece of crap human being, like, evil, evil as it comes?
I don't, I don't think so.
kind of assume.
mean, living in this area through all that, was, it was the fog of, of just everythingthat had happened, laid over this area for a long time.

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And again, I felt the same way.
Everyone in the whole Tri-State area.
see a Giuliani.
One thing people will say about Giuliani is the city of New York, but really FEMA and
and the EPA and a lot of people were really like, clean up as fast as possible, right?
And so a lot of people try to heap that on Giuliani and just, I don't see it that way.

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I understand that the act of getting everything, getting the evidence out as fast aspossible is suspicious.
But again, knowing what Giuliani did in New York and what he did, and again, in theaftermath,
He was, if you watch him, that's a mirror to how the whole area here felt.

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So basically that was public mandate at that point.
People came from every side of the city to clean up.
People descended on downtown Manhattan and said, we're gonna clean this up as fast ashumanly possible and put it right back up as a screw you.
That was public mandate.
Julian was the face of that, he kind of had no choice because that's what was beingdemanded.

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And again, I know people who were who went down there just from being in the constructionworld.
And you meet a lot of people who were good were first responders or they're down there.
They were surveyors down there watching the piles.
There were iron workers there cutting the beams and taking it apart.
And the whole world was said, clean this up as fast as possible.

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And I wonder sometimes, speaking of Julia, because again, that's someone who I love.
I wonder how much of it too was punishment for what he did.
Cause in the eighties, New York was like a lot of these cities where it was just beatendown.
All they had beaten down Chicago and Detroit and all these cities had just been beatendown into these kind of really unsafe.

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destroyed versions of their former glory.
Giuliani is the only one who bucked the narrative and he gets elected in early 90s and herevamps it and just revitalizes all of New York.
It's safe again.
It's everything that as we know what these people do, it's everything that they would hateto death.

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So I wonder sometimes if that was, if,
if at least a little secondary yes for them was to knock that down a peg was to punishGiuliani.
So I wonder about that.
But some of these other ones, again, I grew up very conservative and Republican.

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I actually grew up in a house where my mom was Democrat and my dad was a Republican andthey were very cool and cordial about it.
And
you know, they were very much like, well, you make up your own mind and you don't letyourself get turned in any direction.
And 9-11 turned my mom into a Republican.
That changed everything.
And I love these people too.

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I'm very heartbroken about GW, although I know people...
9-eleven is historically been pegged that completely at his feet.
think he was a useful idiot.
I think his old man was a lot more involved than again CIA and stuff of that nature anddick Cheney I think dick Cheney is a lot more involved than people realize and but GW

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almost assuredly knew what was going on and he has also helped it and that's heartbreakingto me as far as Colin Powell kind of Lisa Rice
Again, then you just start getting into shades of how much did they know?
How much didn't they know?
I don't think necessarily every single person who was one shake away from 9-11 wasexplicitly involved in the planning of 9-11, but it's worth noting.

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And so again, Colin Powell, he was very much tied to the car log group.
He's one of those.
Is everyone tied to the car log group?
mean, they're, again, this is a...
Part of the puzzle that certainly needs to be examined.
Are they all Are they all part of plan 9-eleven?
I don't know but it's worth noting again and Colin Powell was very much a part of theimpassioned speech to the UN for about the WMDs that they all piggybacked off of and then

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got us to go to Iraq, but he was also working on m
He was working with data from that came from James Clapas.
They were and they were they were they walked over to satellite imagery and I think it'slike a hundred and fifty nine hundred.
I forget now.

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don't know.
It's really early, but hundreds of
weapons of mass destruction facilities were identified in the satellite imagery.
And then again, they had the mobile WMD trucks that were that were they had heard inklingsof from the from someone in Germany.

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And then they identified them.
So James Clapper is never identified them.
It turned out to be milk pasteurization trucks.
And they even made the graphics that Colin Powell is showing them.
are computer generated graphics that they made for him for that for that presentation.
And then there was a whole group of them beforehand, who James Clapper being a main voiceof, who then who first decided that yes, there are definitely WMDs.

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So, you know, some of them like, well, was he set up?
I don't know, maybe was he involved?
Some of those people, again, they're gray areas, I don't know how much who was involved orwho wasn't.
Condoleezza Rice and her deposition, again, kind of gives up the goat with it.
So you could almost say, was that good?
Who knows?

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So she could almost be a good guy in this, but again.
I have trouble figuring out who weeks, who explicitly is who explicitly was part of hisplanning and who knew, but, but in her deposition, I think one of the most damning things

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that really blew my mind during this dig was when she, she reveals and that it was themain plan was to go after Al Qaeda.
for the whole Bush administration for the whole year leading up to that.
people forget there wasn't an al-Qaeda attack during the whole Bush administration.

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And she quotes him and says, we're tired of swatting al-Qaeda like flies one by one.
We gotta go after them in a big, a big manner, right?
Well, swatting flies, there were no flies to swat.
There's not a single al-Qaeda attack during your presidency.
You could say, well, the US cold, but again,

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Internal documents show that they they weren't sure they were guessing that that was Osamabin Laden And before that then if you take that equation, it's been years So and again,
this is years before he's even office.
So what do you mean?
That's that's your number one policy, but okay you say well, you know, they are somethingThat's fine, but they approve They approved the measure To take out al-qaeda once and for

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all
One week to the day before 9 11.
So for us, you know, i'm hearing about this 9 11 happens And then they're telling us onthe tv We think it might be the Osama Bin Laden and he's part of the al-qaeda network.
This is first time I ever heard of al-qaeda That's the first time I guarantee you 90 ofthe united states ever heard of al-qaeda was on september 11th So if you gave a poll out,

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so when did we decide to go after al-qaeda?
They'd probably say september 12th
or maybe October 7th, right?
That's when we go into Afghanistan.
If you had an option on there, now I put one on my page, but obviously most people havewatched Codex 9-11 on my page, and so it is half and half between September 12th and

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September 4th.
But if you just put that on a regular poll, people will know nothing about September 11th.
September 4th would have zero votes.
So you're telling me they approved this to go after evil al-Qaeda one week before 9-11?
That's mind blowing to me.
To me, that's one of the biggest things ever.
And that's Connelly's arise gives that up and her deposition.

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So.
Yeah.
Well, maybe, I mean, I pray it does all come out.
think, you know, we will be seeing these people come before different panels, maybecongressional panels or otherwise in the, in the months and hopefully not years from now
ahead.
But you're talking about, um, out hearing Al Qaeda for the first time.

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Let's talk a little bit about project mockingbird.
And, um, on this show, on, on the documentary, you show some MSM talking heads andreporters.
And then one of them slips up, at least one of them slips up, probably more than one, andsays a little bit ahead of time, that one lady, think she may have been a foreign
correspondent talking about building seven before building seven even collapsed, before itlooked like there was even anything going on with uh building seven.

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What do you make of that?
Because before you got to that point, I was like, wow, Project Mockingbird, you know, itwas in my mind because you see all these reporters.
kind of not really knowing what to say or do.
And so I was like, well, maybe they just got the talking points the day after, except forthis lady.
Right.

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Yeah, that's whoever, whoever put those out, whoever put out the World Trade Center sevencollapsing, jump the gun.
That's, that's my take on that.
And, you know, I don't know if again, a lot of people, put it on her or they put it on theguy in the studio.
They're talking heads, right?
they're getting reports from people.

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I think there's people have said that that that came from an Aaron Reuters report that wasinaccurate.
Well, okay, so Reuters knew this beforehand that this building was going to come down,which is World Trade Center seven coming down is the biggest mistake in false flag history
that I have my reasons to believe why they did it.

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Obviously, there were
ton of government agencies in there.
People have talked about what different paperwork were in those buildings that could havebeen purposely tried to destroyed.
uh The operating centers of who would take care of an emergency were also in there.
So you're crippling that.
But taking that down the way they did was just a huge mistake because one, you have thingslike that where clearly someone jumped the gun and getting that information out there and

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then.
It's it's out there.
Like what do you mean?
It's coming down.
It's right behind you in the live shot but to It wasn't hit by a plane.
It's a massive skyscraper.
It was less than 15 years old at that point So that's a that's pretty much a brand newbuilding in any American city 15 years old New York City, I worked work building

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skyscrapers in New York City Have this most stringent
building codes there are and fireproofing and everything to the hilt and this thingbecause of fires on the lower floors just totally collapsed.
Like what are you talking about?
That's insane.

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So doing that in general was a mistake but they were good in the way it is kind of beenswept under the rug because there are lot of people to this day who are like, do you mean
a third building went that they never know.
They purposely don't talk about it.
But the bigger mistake is the foreknowledge.
The foreknowledge that that was gonna come down, whoever jumped the gun with that 4 a.m.

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talking point, or I guess probably 4 p.m.
at around that time talking point, definitely messed up.
And they messed up by going with it, but I'm sure they don't know.
They're reporting every single thing that's coming into them as is coming in.
That is a glaring mistake.
in the whole scheme of that day.

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Would you talk a little bit more about one, tell us what a false flag is in your view andtwo, ah because I think some people think it means it didn't happen, right?
And we know that's not what it means.
And then would you talk a little bit about um the nefariousness of collapsing Building 7because of all of the entities that were in there?

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Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, definitely a huge misconception that people will take as when you declare somethingas a false flag is it was totally fake.
And the reporting on it is as fake and everything that they said happened.
It didn't actually happen.
Definitely not.
And maybe there are cases of that, right?
If you were to go through every single one who knows, mean, the Gulf of Tonkin that kindof gave them the permission to escalate troops in Vietnam and essentially

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start Vietnam that never happened so technically that's a fake version but for the mostpart most of these when you say false flag it's just being who did it is being
misrepresented it goes back to the old the old pirate days where they didn't you knowpicture pirates with a skull and crossbones flag on but they would sometimes something to

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do is they they put on a country flag and they attacked
They'd say, we were attacked by France.
Right?
And so it's a false flag attack.
That's the spirit of the name of it.
And so basically it's something that happened that is being used to set someone up whodidn't do it.

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So a false flag at 9-11, it's set up these networks who again, not necessarily goodnetworks, but if they didn't actually do 9-11,
then we shouldn't be going after them.
They didn't really earn what happened.
That shouldn't happen.

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So False Flag is a setup, essentially.
There's a great documentary that I would suggest to your audience of 2015 called ShadowRing.
It's actually narrated by Kevin Sorbo, who played Hercules, remember?
And...
It's great.
I personally haven't watched it in years probably in almost as long but that they do agreat breakdown of false flags in that and pretty much is talking about the old pirate

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ships and stuff But then they go through a lot of different ones and the ones that I alsotouched on in this uh differently but
That's that's a great documentary, I would suggest that people watch they also have agreat part in there about the Council on Foreign Relations, which a lot of people feel
like is kind of an end from to get there.

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To for these people who we kind of feel like laud over the world and run these operationsto get their people in.
And it's kind of this think tank where
many people from both sides of the political aisle seem to all come from and uh is arevelation in there.
I think Ben Swan is the reporter talking about how when he was covering the, I think itwas when Obama was going against Romney.

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But again, it's been almost 10 years since I watched it.
And he, but he's talking about how he saw Romney kind of like looking to someone offcamera as he's interviewing him to kind of give him the, I guess, okay to answer certain
certain questions or what to say almost and afterwards he inquires about this and he goeswell that's you know his his uh representative from the cfr and then he dug into the cfr

(01:01:20):
and finds out well they all got representatives from the cfr but they're fighting againsteach other again it goes back to the skull and bones the 2004 so yeah that that's a good
documentary goes into that but they have a cool little false flag section that breaks thatdown which i love so i would suggest watching that yeah
a small tangent, when I was in DC, I applied to CFR because they were pretty renowned, ahbut they rejected me.

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So um I guess I stand to be grateful for that.
Yeah, there's another great, there's a congressman named Larry McDonald to he kind of in1984, he gives this really, that's another great clip, you should look, people should look
that up of him talking, he was on, I think it was on a CNN program.

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He's talking about the Council on Foreign Relations.
And I was started by Edward Mandelhouse.
And he's mentioned a lot of things, but kind of
Again, talking about the cabal long before a lot of us were talking about the cabal and hecuriously died in a plane crash right after that.
was actually he was accidentally shot down his plane not long after that interview, but hemakes a good point of that and where he's states that there were good people in the CFR

(01:02:38):
and again, it goes to a lot of these organizations that we're talking about.
There are lots of good people in a lot of these organizations.
but the overarching heads of these or the goals of a lot of these operations, which is setby the few on the top are for the CFR, he put forth and I really believe what he looking

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for is to slowly erode our freedoms and push us towards the socialist left.
And you could see that the famous clip with Biden.
He's saying a son of a bitch.
He got fired at the real quid pro quo that they impeached Trump on where he's braggingabout it.
That's at a council on foreign relations meeting.

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So there there are a lot of reasons to think that these these places that they're they'rekind of the engines that get their people in and they can uh kind of pepper out their
assets in different places.
Yeah.

(01:03:42):
Now get into, if you don't mind building seven for people, you know, just maybe anoverview of that because, uh, it's something that's kind of come back into the
consciousness of people.
You know, I think there's this famous, um, moment where Baron Trump was wearing a shirtthat said, ask me about building seven.
Uh, and yeah, I think it was a couple of years ago.

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I'll try and find it for you, but yeah.
I think, uh, I think Barron's probably more read in the people think, uh, what, what, ifyou hear like Eric and Don talk, boy, boy, they are, they have their finger on the pulse
too.
I think people sleep on that or maybe not.
don't know, but they building seven, this is why building seven is the craziest.

(01:04:30):
It's not like it was some little building.
It's all about a 47 story skyscraper.
Again in the heart of manhattan with the highest building regulations of all time It wasall the buildings a lot of the buildings around there were damaged from the collapses,
right?
So after the building one and tower one and two collapse world trade center seven thatthey have fires on the lower floors eventually around 5 pm building seven as predicted by

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the bbc and also
You have, there's also film of, I think firefighters telling people, go back, thebuilding's about to come down, which is a little interesting.
Cause then there's also first responders say, I heard them say over the radio, one, two,three, and then the building comes down.
Why did they know that that building was going to come down from just fires that weregoing on?

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You know how many freaking fires there are in office buildings across the United States,specifically in New York, someone went.
when you guys, your audience get a chance, start Googling how many fires there are a yearin Manhattan.
It's insane.
And so this just completely, fully collapses like a controlled demolition in front ofeveryone's eyes around 5 p.m.

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that night.
And this comes in, they do the official investigation.
They're saying, yeah, I'll fire.
Well, the fire must have heated up.
uh
They say their claim is that a fire heated up Gerter A 2001 and it kind of walked it offits column seat.
It collapsed.

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And then the whole building collapsed.
Which for anyone who builds buildings is absolutely ridiculous.
First of all, the way they act, they act as if it's a Jenga tower and it's only the barebones skeletons.
That's not the case.
It collapsed onto a concrete floor.
Okay.
So for it to sheer the connection of the beam below it, which is what would happen, right?

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Which is basically saying it collapsed and then it collapsed the beam below it.
The A 2001 on each floor collapses off of column 79 of over eight stories.
And then all of sudden the building comes down.
Well, it's not just hitting the beam below it.
It's hitting a concrete floor below it and it's falling.

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about 15 feet.
So first of all, the fact that that wouldn't be contained again for people who buildbuildings out there just picture one one part of a floor coming down onto another in a
localized area of the building.
That's just going to stay there.
So that's it's kind of ridiculous.

(01:07:23):
And they did a great breakdown.
This is run out of the University of Fairbanks.
with three gentlemen, Leroy Holsey was the main runner of it.
And they prepared it for architects and engineers for 9-11 Truth.
And they go through all these different things.

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They calculate the amount of force that it would take to shear the floor below, somethinglike 600,000 pounds of force.
And then they calculate the amount of force that those would have come down on orsomething like 60,000.
So it's not even a 10th of what would have collapsed the floor below it.
It would have been localized.

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They start talking about going through the NIST report.
The NIST report shows thermal expansion of the beams pushing on girder A 2001 in only onedirection.
Obviously thermal expansion expands out.
So it would also be pushing against the outside, which means it wouldn't be going fully inone direction the way they say it would.

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There's also they're saying that even if it did only go one direction, you still have tore increase the coefficient of of expansion by 40 % just to walk it off its column seat.
And there's like a just for people that like say you picture it a column 79 right?
And then there's a little seat that that that Gertrude 2001 is sitting on.

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It's also bolted and connected in many other ways but
They're saying it walked off, but it couldn't even because then there's also in the planswhich wasn't involved which this didn't include.
There are side plates that are that are also stopping here.
So even if it's walking a little bit, it's going to butt up against that side plate.
So there's many more and again, I go through it.

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I tried to animate it.
This is one of my favorite parts of the thing because as a detailer and someone who workedin buildings, I understand those drawings and I was able to
try and make them make more sense to the layman who doesn't know about steel drawings.
And basically they totally destroy any semblance of what NIST is trying to explain mayhave happened there.

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Then they start running simulations and the only way they can get the building not to tipover or to even resemble what we observed on that day in many videos is
by destroying all the interior columns and then just a second later, all the exteriorcolumns over eight floors at the same time.

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And then that's the only thing that brings their, that's the only thing that brings theirsimulation down at the way that we watch, which is exactly, that's actually more of a
traditional controlled demolition from the bottom up.
What seems to be with the towers, it looks like they were leading the collapse, which isactually would be kind of reverse.

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of a regular controlled demolition, which is, think that was purposely done like that.
World Trade Center seven is even more traditional.
The bottom falls out.
You can watch the whole thing drop all at once.
Perfectly into its own foot footprint.
It's, it's just crazy.
First of all, all three of them combined should be looked together that this happenedthree times.

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If one of those buildings collapsed,
It would have been crazy enough.
Like, oh my gosh, you know, and then tower two actually collapsed afterwards.
Holy shit.
Really?
Excuse me.
Sorry.
But uh, then for all three of them to fully collapse, straight down, even though they'reall damaged in different ways, you're talking about damage on the 11th or 12th floor, a

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fire on the 11th, 12th floor of building seven.
You're talking about the whole pretty much dead center.
on the 93rd floor of tower one.
And then you're talking about a diagonal hole on the side of the 78th floor of tower two.
Yet they all fell the same way.
And so that in itself makes no sense.

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Building seven wasn't hit by a plane.
The people were reported people reported bombs going off inside the building of WorldTrade Center seven as they were going up.
That's another thing they don't talk about.
There's
It makes zero sense for this skyscraper to fully collapse like that due to a fire that wasstarted from the collapse of the other buildings.

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And I think for them, it was a mistake to bring that down because it's so, you can barelyexplain the towers coming down with the planes and gaping holes in them.
That in itself, if you just think of physics,
Makes no sense that this much crushed this much, right?

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And that it was able to just pulverize it all the way down.
That makes no sense.
Even when you get into Newton's third law of physics, it makes no sense.
And that had a gaping hole in it and was, and was blasted with something.
This building has fires on it.
If that's the case, well then every frigging building in the whole, every city in theworld is in danger.

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If an office fire, it can just fully collapse the whole building one shot straight down.
So World Trade Center seven, I say there was an absolute mistake on their part and thatthat's why they don't talk about it.
That's why they never say mention in any of their specials or very quickly.
They don't want people saying thinking about a full fledged skyscraper coming down thatwasn't hit with a plane.

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Does it even feature in the Freedom Towers at all?
I mean, is it part of the 9-11 area?
It's across the street from the main, I actually worked on the rebuilding of World TradeCenter seven back in like, three or four or something like that.

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It's if you have, I guess you say like this is Pinterest is just a box.
Like this is the World Trade Center, a site right across the street is World Trade Centerseven.
And so, so yeah, pretty much you can see it's a square silver building right behind

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If you're looking from south to north, it would be right behind the freedom tower.
Or if you're looking from north to south, it would be in the foreground of the freedomtower.
So yeah, the new world trade center seven is one of the ones that went up.
I also worked on the foundation for world trade center too.
There were supposed to be a second tower that went up or that had diamonds at the top thatthey capped.

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They kept it the first floor or they capped it off right there.
I guess they lost funding at some point for that.
That was supposed to go.
right next to the Freedom Tower and then there's buildings three and four is three andfour.
I believe then there's there's two more buildings in that complex on the back end of it.

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Yep.
So I guess so the four buildings went back up.
Yeah.
uh I remember back to, I think you put this in the documentary, Donald Rumsfeld when hewas secretary of defense, giving that uh pretty, I guess, kind of famous or iconic speech
saying we lost $3 trillion.

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And then I think that was like the day before 9-11 or maybe the Friday before 9-11.
Does that, do you think that is a direct, has a direct bearing on what happened tobuilding seven?
I think more so the Pentagon uh than building seven, but who knows?
Again, people speculate.
They'll talk about em different documents that they believed were being housed in buildingseven, but the Pentagon.

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So he announced it was actually was the day before September 10th, $2.3 trillion intransactions that had no paper trail.
And so this money went out, it was used for something.
And it had no paper trial.
announces this on September 10th, September 11th.
The part, the specific part of the Pentagon that was hit was the budget's analyst office.

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The people who were looking for the $2.3 trillion are who died at the Pentagon that day.
And so
It's either the greatest, I call 9-11 the greatest series of coincidences in humanhistory.
It's either another miraculous coincidence, because then no one ever hears about that 2.3trillion ever again, not from their end anyway, or it was just fortunate for them, I

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guess, in a weird way.
that is, how has that happened?
It's just interesting that that's the exact spot of the Pentagon.
that was hit and I believe it was hit by a missile.
Again, that oh I don't go into what it may or may not be in the documentary becausethere's next to nothing to analyze.
There's a couple frames of a white blur.

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I think specifically there's two different videos.
One has two frames of it, one has one frame.
So three single frames of something that hit the Pentagon.
They claim, this is proof it's a plane.
I think it's proof of nothing.
You can't tell it's it's proof of a ghost because it looks like it's a white streak.
And so I don't really go into it.
But if you look at the hole, you can make a case that it was it was a missile.

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It was a singular hit.
And that's what I personally think happened, which would mean that they announced thatthis money was gone.
And the very next day, the people who were looking for it got blown up.
That is so beyond sick.
And it does make you wonder if this was like em an afterthought, you know?

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They're like, well, we're already gonna blow other stuff up.
So what's one more thing?
Yeah, let's take care of the you care if we take out this to take care of this sure Yeah,I I wonder how many things are heaped on because again with these big with these big
operations It does seem like they try to kill as many birds with one stone as they can.
It's it's Who knows but yeah, that's and that is one of the biggest glaring crazy Nodes to9-eleven story for sure

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And going back to the drone planes that you believe and make a very strong case forhitting the two towers.
And then you think about um Shanksville, which is its own weird situation.
What do you think happened to the passengers of the real flights?
Do you think they just took them off somewhere and like murdered them all?

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Or do you think they're like basically hostages still?
I mean, what's going on with those people?
assume they murdered them.
I don't think there's any way especially something this big that they let any of them goNo one's ever heard from any of them say they seem very much dead.
They also with the cell phone calls that they made I Had they pretty much pretty concernedpretty convinced that they landed those planes Yeah, I think it's just crazy to think that

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those calls have all the earmarks of cell phone calls that were made from the ground
And even more so that I go into it, there's even more people who cite their caller ID thatno, it was a cell phone.
There's more people in depositions who say there was minimal background noise.
Then there's the famous CC Lyles who says it's a frame whispers it's a frame at the end ofhers.

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So I think those were made under the rest.
I don't know.
You know, if it was straight up gone to their head or people in suits walk in and say wehave a situation we need your help.
and they get these people to say, say whatever and then take them out.
But yeah, a lot of people that is probably the most asked question I've gone.

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And again, I don't say anything in there because it's just speculation on my part, but Ihave to believe they were taken out.
uh And especially an operation that big.
I've heard people suggest that they were landed in a certain hanger and that they guessedthem in that hanger.
That's a, that's a, that goes speaks to a lot of the things with a lot of these thingswhere people just say stuff and I can't find, I don't know if you, if there's whatever be

(01:20:09):
documentation of it anyway, but I don't know how true or not that is, but that's what Ithink anyway.
And the special ops guys that were on the planes, one of the pilots was a special ops andsupposedly one of the passengers in one of the flights you call out as being Israeli
special ops.
Do you think they made it out and they're living some other life?

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If we're on that case, I think there were probably, uh, I think there were probably assetson each one of those planes who are still alive, living on their, uh, different alias or
at least lived after nine 11 other different alias.
again, that's my, that's my speculation on that.
Yeah.
So Catherine Harridge put out a report yesterday and I don't know if you had a chance tolook at it, but she is uh reporting that there were Saudi government employees who may

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have served as an advanced team to the hijackers.
She goes into the fact that they lived in San Diego.
They were probably harbored by um some other people.
I mean, based on what you have researched,
I mean, what are the chances that the commercial flights were even hijacked in the firstplace by the Saudis?

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And then was it even, was any of it in your view, even done by, were the Saudis implicatedat all?
And what do you think about this idea of an advanced team?
Yeah, you know, I haven't dug specifically into her reports.
I do love her reporting Typically as far as the 9-eleven stuff I think a lot of it'scooked a lot of the things that are gonna come out are cooked as far as the Saudis You

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know, there was a MBS purge in 2017 that some people think might have Some of some of thisfaction that he went after could have
could have ties back to 9-11.
Ben Talal obviously has ties back to at least the Carlisle group.
And so is it touching on that a little bit?

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Because as far as the planes, I think they were probably fake hijacked and then landed.
That's my theory.
I think those people could very well have been on those planes.
Maybe there are also people who talk about the original list of passengers that.
the flight original flight logs, they say they don't include any of the alleged hijackerson them.

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So that's, that's another rabbit hole you can go down.
But I think they were used as assets.
This is again, what I touch on from Michael J.
Springman and then other people where they were talking about the visa program that theywere using for Operation Cyclone was being run through the Saudi Arabia offices, mainly in

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Jeddah, but also in Riyadh.
And this is in during the 80s when it was happening and they said it continued into the90s.
They were getting them their visas through there, send them to the United States, trainingthem and then sending them to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets.
And these were their Arab assets.

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And they had went around and recruited all throughout the Middle East Arabs to fight thatwar.
And this was another part of the Operation Cyclone.
They had also had a lot of propaganda that they had worked with different governments tospread out there to get them to get them ready to want to join the fight with the

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Mujahideen.
And so things were being run out of Saudi Arabia.
They were they seem to be run through our uh RCA, our CIA seemed to have the most to dowith it.
But I could see a negative
I guess black hats or shades of a black hat and there's in the Saudi government That couldhave been involved with them and working with them You know, they they have their people

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everywhere and maybe it's touching on that I wonder I would like to dig into the reportbut as far as the It's being presented from what I could see.
Anyway, the little bit I saw at least a the pre
I guess the teaser that she put out was yesterday or the day before it seems to be underthe precursor that the hijackers were real and what happened was real and that part of the

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story I do not buy so I Don't know.
Is it a piece?
It could totally be a piece to the puzzle and it could be a piece to these assets Butyeah, I think they were used as assets and I think the whole thing was a setup and they
were either not on the planes at all or
They were on the planes as part of the fake hijackings.

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That's my theory on the alleged hijackers, which 15 of the 19 came through Saudi Arabia.
And that's where the Saudi Arabia connection comes from.
And if you think about um the families that are suing the Saudi government, when thiscomes out, I mean, they got the wrong target,

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They might, right.
But again, there is could be bad people who were in the Saudi government who were workingwith our CA at John Brennan was a big one over there.
He was the head of the head station chief from it was like 96 to 99.
And that the chief, the head station chief is basically runs all CIA operations inwhatever country that he's the station chief.

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So he was running all CIA operations there.
He was also in
in the early 80s, during the heart of Operation Cyclone.
He was also in the the Jetta office.
This is the specific one that Michael J.
Springwind worked as the head of the visa department where he said that they were pushingthrough these assets.
And so yeah, you have to assume that there were some uh people involved in there in theSaudi government.

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As far as the current Saudi government, I don't actually like what
Mohammed bin Saman has been doing seems like he's he's been cleaning things up and goingafter a lot of the bad factions.
So I don't know if they're I mean, if you're suing specifically them, that might be likeyou're saying the wrong targets.
But again, if you can start pinpointing who who it was, there certainly could be people inSaudi government who in the at that time were involved.

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Yeah.
And, um, Oh, I just lost my thread for a second there.
When you think about, um, the Rico case that has probably started, um, because you hearthe names Brennan and Clapper more lately, um, in, know, with regard to, um, crossfire
hurricane and the Russia hoax.

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Does that get you excited about the fact that this is, I mean, it all, all roads pointback to 9 11.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's interesting how that works.
And it's interesting how God works because I started working on this.
I did a, another documentary.
My, the one before this was I released in the, I want to say September of 2020, 21, thepopulation control was on the COVID-19 and a lot of all the shenanigans surrounding that

(01:27:36):
and event 201 and some of that.
So
It was after that, in the end of 2021, that I started at least writing this out.
I had an earlier 9-11 dig that I wanted to turn into a full documentary.
I had released a 25-minute breakdown in 2019, and from between 2019 and 2021, I hadamassed so much more of the full picture, and I had always wanted to make it into an

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hour-long version at that time.
which then quickly grew to two hours, which wound up being two and a half hours.
So I started writing out then over the course of 2022, I added to my dig, I wascontinually rewriting and writing and working on what, and just adding to it and working
it out.

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And then I started putting it together as far as actually editing it and putting ittogether, which the dig continued throughout, but in January of 2023.
Now in my head,
This was going to be done probably by mid 2023, the end of 2023, at very least 2024.
And it just, it was just so much.

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It kept going on.
And again, the digs and in the, in the mere fact of I wanted to have the evidence on file,on screen.
Like I said, a lot of people in a lot of documentaries, they just say things and it couldbe very true.
Everything could be completely vetted and true.
It's like, you don't know.
And I was just like, you know what?
This is a dig anon video in my in my heart of hearts.

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That's what it's all my videos are.
So I wanted to show I want the people to be able to go back and pause and get all theinformation they need.
So now in the mere fact of things that I have written out and and I know they happenedlike all right, let's now let me go find it to show on screen again.

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And I'm thinking through my notes and digging through stuff.
then you run into all these other things and it just kind of even grew even bigger than itwas over the course of those years.
And it wound up I didn't finish until the summer of 2025, which winds up perfect becauseit's literally I finished it right as all the Russia gate stuff is coming down on these

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people's heads.
And they all and they all have one foot in the 911 store.
So it's just
God has a weird way of working out.
I didn't plan to have that.
Like I said, I had thoughts of this finished a year earlier, but it just worked out themost perfect timing ever that I couldn't in a million years even begin to take credit for.

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I also, again, a lot of my digs, we all just run into things where, you know, I'm lookingobviously and I'm digging and I'm in the depths of stuff.
There are just certain things where else that I'll search in a certain way or I'll findsomething that that leads to something else where I'm just, it feels very guided by the
hand of God.
I feel like God uses us.

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And so I try to give him most of the credit, all the credit, obviously to any of this sortof things, cause he definitely uses us.
He guides us.
And what's happening right now, I think is very biblical.
And the fact, again, like you're saying,
that it wound up I finally was able to finish this right at the time with the Rico caseand all of sudden you're hearing about Brandon and Clapper and even call me that there's a

(01:31:04):
call me has his own little part of the nine 11 station to which someone was talking to meabout on a show I did recently.
I have to go back into my notes, but I he is he is a name that didn't come up in my digs,but I'm obviously not surprised to hear that.
he had a part, I think he was, he was working in the Manhattan DA office or something likethat during 9-11.

(01:31:28):
was, it was, had a part in some of the, some of the, what people would think is thecoverup or some of what happened, but don't quote me on that.
But all these people are coming up now.
Joe Biden, he wrote the draft, the 1995 terrorist omnibus that they pretty much use for,as the blueprint for the Patriot Act.

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And it's just such perfect timing and these people are evil and they really are.
So I'm happy to pile on.
Well, I do think it's amazing.
I definitely think it's guided by the hand of God because that's what I had meant toconnect us to earlier that scripture.
I think that he is using us to be part of the trap um that the wicked are falling in.

(01:32:16):
know, like when we uncover the trap, they're going to fall into it.
And it's just a beautiful thing.
And you have done so much work, Brad.
When I thought I was trying to just guesstimate how much I yesterday I said, OK,
He has to have put about 10 hours of research into every data point that you put out therebecause there's so much there.

(01:32:37):
And again, the sourcing is incredible.
It's what makes it credible, right?
Because for people who have so little trust for everything, even though you want tobelieve it, like you said, you look at these documentaries, they all seem really good.
It seems probably true.
It resonates.
where,

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Where are the data points?
Where is the sauce?
A couple other questions before I let you go.
I promised not to hold you hostage for too long, but um other connections.
You think about this guy, Larry Silverstein, who owned those buildings, one, two, andseven, as I understand, or maybe he had a 99 year lease or something like that.

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He was a huge real estate guy.
He's still alive.
Do you know he's still alive?
Yeah, he's like 99 or something like that, In late 90s.
93, okay.
Yeah.
Do you, what are the chances?
I mean, Trump has to know this guy.
Oh, Trump definitely knows that that world is very small at as far as There's not even alot of GC's but then the actual you go to the actual builders There's not a lot of them.

(01:33:47):
I'm sure that Trump's probably friends with all of them I'm sure he was probably veryfriendly with Silverstein And I wonder what he thinks in his private thoughts about it.
I bet you he's very suspicious especially as time goes on you could see the
the red pilling of Trump over the years.
So it would be, I would love to be inside his head for a minute and think, I bet you hewonders, but yeah, there all those guys, they definitely know each other.

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It's a very small world, the business world, the business, the construction world ingeneral, in the New York city, it gets small, even down to us, even down to the workers
said, how many people you overlap with over the years where
It just it's small there.
But then obviously that's where the subcontracted companies a lot of times I wound upworking for concrete companies.

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And then you get the GC's like the bovis Lundley's or a tornado and stuff like that.
And then you get the builders like the trumps and silver scenes guarantee he knows them.
I'm sure he's probably been friendly with him and has a good relationship with him.
Trump is
Tends to have a good relationship with the people he's works with or rubs elbows withWhether or not they turn out to be psychos is a different story.

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That seems to be I'm sure he's probably sick of that happening It happens too much.
But yeah, he's still alive.
And again, I'd love to be in Trump said to see what he really thinks about him There wouldbe interesting.
I bet she's very suspicious
I think he probably is.
think he probably...
Do you think that 9-11 featured in the funeral notes at Bush Senior's funeral?

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Yes, that is my guess as to what was on those.
I think definitely even right from when it happened.
That's what I think is says something about that.
Yeah.
So fascinating.
So is your work on this going to continue?
Well, yeah, I do.
have a sub stack and I've been telling people that started around October.

(01:35:58):
Just to give this a little time to breathe.
I'm going to start going through to some of the things, right?
Because obviously it's something that I have written out and basically I'm going to startposting some of the script, but then with the links, so physical links, so people can use
it one.
Yeah, you could pause the screen obviously and find it all.
But then also there'll be direct links and there's some of these things as we're talkingabout now are more sussed out than what I have.

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I'm actually saying on screen, so I'll get into it more with that.
And then of course, you know, I just I have a thirst for truth, so I will always be addto.
I'm always saving things.
It's funny.
I just saved a clip.
uh Yesterday and not explicitly a 9 11 clip, but Glenn Beck just posted some two days agowhere he's talking about.

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a meeting where Bush called him in around 2007, 2008.
And he was upset at something he said, and he's talking about how he was cursing him upand down.
And then at the end, he's makes a point.
had said some Glenn Beck had made a comment about some Barack Obama said on the campaigntrail.
And Bush said something to him to the effect of well, once he gets in here, he's gonnahave the same people as me advising him.

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And he's gonna see that
You have to do x, y, z, he has no choice in the matter.
And he says it, his buddy chimes in, because I guess he had called him at the time andsays, you say that he said that to, I guess, ease Glenn Beck's mind at the end of this
berating.
But he was like, that was the freakiest part, because that was almost like an admission ofthe deep state of men in black suits really running country.

(01:37:41):
And then he goes into talking about things with Trump.
And how Trump's like, I'll just call up Vladimir Putin right now.
And he was like, you know, we have a president for the first time and probably in therecent future, almost our lives, who isn't being run by these people who he's running the
state department, not the opposite way around, which is the rarest thing ever.

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But it's a cool clip, but it is a little insight into that world.
And, you know, it's just something I saved.
I probably won't do anything with it, but it's just little things like that.
Eventually.
Yeah.
On my, on my ex, I post a lot of stuff and then, um, in my own shows, I talk about a lotof stuff, but it definitely my sub stack should start kicking off come around in October.

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Awesome, well drop me those links either in the chat or on X and I'll make sure they makeit into the show notes.
But I think those words, probably won't do anything with it, will probably come back tohaunt you, because those kinds of words usually come back to haunt me.
But it does give us such a great appreciation.
mean, looking into the nefarious nature of this, looking into the sheer number of playersthat had to have some knowledge.

(01:38:56):
maybe just a piece of knowledge.
It's astounding to think how many people are really part of that deep state apparatus andwhat Trump really is up against, what we as a population have really are up against.
Because I think part of this whole awakening thing is every day you wake up a little bitmore and every day you wake up to the realization that there's something else that's been

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corrupted.
some other aspect of your life that you have limited control over, where you, in reality,you should have total control over, but you don't.
um Remind me, Brad, where people can watch this.
I believe it's on Badlands.
That's where I saw it.
I don't know if you have it anywhere else.

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Perfect.
uh it's on Badlands Media on rumble.
And you can watch it right at the moment.
It is the pinned video on the top of our page.
I'm also will be tomorrow premiering a 4k version of it on my own channels on rumble.
So where we go when we go all channel and but

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us in it if you don't mind and we'll retweet it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that'll be going through, uh, through tomorrow night, but those, those will be the twomain places.
I've also seen people upload it in a lot of other places.
So you might run into it anyway, and that's fine.
I give it to God, but this, you know, if he wants, I made this to get it out there.

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And so if that happens, it happens.
But obviously I would love you guys to go to the rumble, uh, either Badlands media orwhere we go all channel.
Okay, and then where's the best place for people to support your work financially andthank you that way for what you've done?
Yeah, that's some if you go to badlands media TV slash codex 9-eleven There's a page thatthat comes up and it'll tell you about the about the movie There's also a place to donate

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on the bottom.
So your badlands media TV slash codex 9-eleven and there is a link to that as well in theIn the show notes of the two rumble videos
Okay, beautiful.
Well, thank you so much, Brad.
I appreciate you for bearing with me.
You got up very early this morning to do this.
So thank you so much.

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Thank you for your research, for your commitment to the truth.
And I hope we can have you back on talking about either 9-11 or something else that you'reworking on.
Amen.
Yeah, I appreciate you having me on.
Thank you so much.
And thank you for your dedication to the truth as well.
Thank you, Brad.
Have a great one.
Take care.

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