FLF: #19 The Just Live By Faith w/ Prof. David Clements

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Welcome to For the Love of Freedom.
Today is Wednesday, September 24th.
The month is evaporating.
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I am your host Danielle Walker and on the show
we meet people who've rejected the status quo, people who've broken with convention, andpeople who are each in their own way working to bring freedom to the world.
My guest today has become a friend of the state of freedom and a friend of mine and afavorite of this audience, Professor David Clements has long been a warrior for truth and

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justice.
My first impression of him was during the COVID madness and the aftermath of 2020.
For those of us who were, he was
A much needed voice crying out in the wilderness at that time, I thought, for those of uswho were willing to look and wanted to make sense of it all.
He's been a relentless advocate for election integrity and justice for January 6, both forthose directly impacted and for the nation.

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And now he's producing a weekly commentary called the Professor's Record, which I love.
It's like a little oasis in a world full of chaos.
and his voice is a voice of clarity and steadiness.
Welcome to the show, Professor.
Thank you for having me.
And as you can tell, my voice may not be any of those things today, but I hope that yourviewers can bear with me.

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I've had a rough spell, but I'm glad to be here.
Well, I appreciate you persevering and joining us despite the gravel that has hit yourthroat so hard.
As you know, I love to bring a scripture to kind of frame out the show.
And the scripture for today is one of my absolute favorites.

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It might be a life verse for me.
It's Hebrews chapter 10 verses 38 through 39.
And it says, my righteous ones will live from
my faith.
Now a lot of translations, a few translations translated instead of my righteous ones willlive from my faith to my just ones will live from my faith and it goes on to say but if

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fear holds them back my soul is not content with them but we are certainly not those whoare held back by fear and perish we are among those who have faith and experience true
life and I brought that scripture today because
It just struck me as very appropriate for you because you believe in a righteous cause.

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You know, as I was thinking about it this morning, you're like David going out tochallenge Goliath, the other David, the biblical one.
And you have rallied those on our side and said, is there not a cause?
And I just appreciate that so much from you.
And I just want to honor you for that because it's not been an easy road.

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That's high praise.
um don't feel it.
think usually what happens is we usually feel the weight of accusation from the enemy andit lingers.
And so every time someone can say something very kind like that, I do hold onto it becauseyou should see my emails that I get from people about how you've done nothing.

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you've done nothing.
There's a mocker that can find me through all of the social media that I've got.
And it's usually like a little demon voice that's always telling you what you're doingisn't good enough.
so I do savor the kind words when I can hear them.

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Well, there's plenty more where that came from.
today we'll shut down the demons.
That'll be the goal.
Well, I wanted to start out maybe before 2020, David Clements before 2020, maybe evenfurther back than that.
Would you give us some backstory on what shaped your worldview kind of both politicallyand faith wise since those two are so closely intertwined?

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um.
I think the best way to give context to who I am now is that I'm a child of dysfunction uhand grew up in a very, very confused home.
uh My dad was a whistleblower who did not see justice for blowing the whistle.

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And it left a family fractured.
uh
So my formative years were in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
And I had a ton of jobs and you're effectively raised by your peers in a uh culture thatserves tourists.

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And it's a very, very unglamorous, dark-seated underbelly.
People don't really think of Myrtle Beach that way.
But there's a time when Myrtle Beach was the ninth most violent place.
in America because when people drink, when people do drugs, there's usually domesticviolence and there's an aftermath to going to a place and kind of treating it like a

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sandbox to go play in.
And so I lived in a sandbox with uh seeing kind of the worst of what humanity has tooffer.
And um I think I had perspective.
because I actually grew up in a very, very loving home initially before my dad lost hisjob.

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And so I was able to reflect on things, not as a kid that was always poor, but someone whohad a stable life and then became really poor right away.
so you kind of witness and ask questions like, God, why does it seem like we've got such arough

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a lot um in this world.
Why do my mom and dad talk about divorce and separating?
Why are we so poor?
I mean, these are the kind of questions.
And so I very much identify with the story of David in the sense that uh David was kind ofthe bastard child that was put out in the wilderness and was reminded.

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quite often of how he wasn't good enough.
so I don't want to say there's a chip on my shoulder, but anytime I've experienced apromotion, whether it's an academia, a job, I've always felt extremely grateful and

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unworthy.
So I'm quick to praise God, because I remember just how bad it was.
and thinking I'm never going to amount to anything.
I really had to wrestle with that.
And one of the defining moments in my life, because I was probably so, m I don't know,thrown to the wolves, so to speak, was I was an addict um for quite some time, drugs and

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alcohol.
And at the age of 21, I had a...
self-induced cardiac arrest where I nearly died.
And I wasn't a believer.
I had no hope.
And so um that's what I think people need to know about me pre-2020.

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I mean, that was a long time ago, but I carry that with me.
And um I think the next chapter of my life was that.
I ended up meeting my wife who was a very strong Christian woman that um didn't grow up indysfunction.
And she took really big chance on someone like me.

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And um I felt unworthy of her love and her willingness to really roll the dice because Iwas sketchy.
And so, I mean, I played in punk rock bands, uh
no real desirable future.
And she saw something in me and I've tried to honor her faith in me.

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through just her counsel, I was able to graduate from college and then go to law schooland then uh take on more and more responsibility.
But I've never lost sight of really
my existence being really rooted in something dark, a very, very dark environment growingup.

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And it suited me well for the fight that I've been in since I became a prosecutor andhandled really, really, really gruesome cases.
And then 2020, which is so mind-blowingly depressing when you really think about what ourcountry was facing that in some ways I was equipped for it.
um So yeah.

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Amazing.
Well, you know, I had no idea you spent that you spent your formative years in MyrtleBeach.
My very first mission trip was to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
And I remember the Lord gave me a verse.
Gosh, I was young.
I was pretty young.
I was in maybe my early teens and I was preaching to these kids standing up on a on achair outside.

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and I lost my voice.
Yeah, pretty funny.
ah We were talking about it was the whole the whole premise of the whatever my my messagewas was uh about the casting the disciples casting the net on the other side.

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I remember that and I remember my voice being completely gone.
It's the first time in my life that my voice just disappeared.
It wasn't like even scratchy.
It was just gone.
ah So.
I completely identify with that.
And again, I'm so sorry for your viewers.
I'm really trying, but I also want people to know that Danielle, you're such a precioussoul that I look forward to our conversations.

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um so, again, thanks for putting up with the gravel.
my goodness.
Well, it's a gift to get to talk to you in any case.
um So the story about your father um lends itself to make me think that maybe that hassomething to do with why justice is so important to you, but maybe it started before then.

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Would you give us some indication of where your just lionhearted devotion to the cause ofjustice comes from?
Yeah, I guess I hate bullies.
I've always hated bullies.
And I don't know where that came from, but there was some physical abuse in my life, notfrom my dad, but I've been around people.

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And so I remember what it feels like to be smaller and vulnerable and not being able to
defend myself physically.
so the lack of righteousness and being in an environment and seeing people that are preyedupon just never sat well with me.

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so I think part of it is also just being someone who's been abused before and just knowingwhat it feels like.
But my father, he's a very, very complex story because we're estranged.

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He does not hold to my politics.
He does not hold to what I'm Yet I identify that I get my mind from him.
He was always a very good communicator, a very good writer, very level-headed.
And I think prior to his encounter,

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um exposing fraud, waste and abuse.
He was on a trajectory where I think his life would have looked like the American dream.
And um instead of him experiencing that, just so people know, like when my dad was ateenager, he was a guy that would read the Wall Street Journal and actually understand it.

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going to college.
And being a father of five children and kind of being in your prime as a 40 year old, thisis kind of when he had this moment and just being absolutely thrown to the wayside.

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So much so that I remember, you know, a six to eight month period where he had impeccablecredentials and he couldn't get a job interview.
He was blacklisted.
from so many companies to the point where he had to lie on his resume to undersell what heknew and where he worked to get a job.

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And it was so bad that he went from, again, being an accountant for Martin Marietta, oneof the big prime contractors.
um This was pre-Lockheed.
And uh he couldn't get a job anywhere.
So he ended up
basically eating a giant piece of humble pie and bagged groceries at Chapin Grocery Storein Myrtle Beach.

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mean, so you think about uh the humiliation for a man with college degrees.
He actually had business classes with Mitt Romney.
So he was surrounded by very, very affluent people.
um
And he drove this beat up car.

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was a 1963 Plymouth Valiant.
And it was so rusted out that you could see the road beneath the floor panels.
And I remember being taken to school when I didn't take the bus and just being soembarrassed by this rust bucket and him dropping me off and then him going to bad

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groceries.
And so as a young person, I don't know if that's what makes you lionhearted, but youwrestle with uh shame and the idea of where's my value come from.
And you have to have very, very adult-like conversations with God.

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And I didn't know who God was at the time.
I'm like just kind of having an internal monologue of whoever's out there.
um
But it prepared me for when attacks did enter in my life.
And people would tell me that I'm not this, or I'm not that, or you can't do this.

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That I had pretty much wrestled with the demon long before 2020.
And you kind of have to have a sense of who you are um and to not let the enemy defineyou.
And it's not to say that it's not a
It's not a perfect process.
There's times where you want to fight back in your strength.

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um But I think many of my convictions were you have to kind of put your name and youridentity to death.
And I felt like I was putting my identity to a slow death watching my father um who didn'thave the spiritual resources.

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He was a new believer later in life.
And um so I think that forged at least my ability to take copious amounts of abuse.
But I think that's where it started.
And then it goes back to my wife.
My wife is so high character.

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I I won't really want to express this.
She is so high character.
She is so honest.
And then if I cut corners, she would let me know.
And so we've been married for nearly 21 years and she's always had impeccable characterwhen I didn't.
And I've seen so many times where I've disappointed her and you have to be authentic inrecognizing where you're failing as a husband and a father.

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And for the first 10 years, I think she really got a raw deal with me.
And I'm hoping that later in our marriage that I'm starting to
prove her right that she made the right decision with
I need to meet her.
I would love that.
She's wonderful and she's got strength.

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I'll tell you that because there's no way that I've been able to do what I've been able todo, travel and write without her either begrudgingly or just affirmatively supporting me
every step of the way.
And that also means the times where I screw up, she's the one that says, come here.

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Like you really.
you really screwed up on this one and not wanting to hear it, but knowing that it comesfrom a place of love.
Yeah, that's amazing.
That's amazing.
Kudos, Erin.
um Do you, so with that background, when you, do you remember having an awakening momentwhen you realized the world wasn't everything we've been told or was it like you kind of,

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you kind of already were awake?
um Yes and no to that.
um think we have graduations in our awakening.
I can look back and always feel like the Lord has had his hand of protection over me.

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So many of your viewers may not know this, but I grew up in a Mormon church as a youngchild.
um
I've got to be careful how I discuss this because many Mormons that I love, that I trulyfeel are spirit led.

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And I see so much of their beauty in their faith walk, uh especially as I've gotteninvolved in the Patriot movement in Utah and different places.
um But I can speak for me personally, I didn't have peace in the Mormon faith.
I had a great deal of fear.

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um And a lot of the theology and the teachings were very, very fear-based.
um So it's not to say that Christ isn't working in the lives of Mormons.
I know he is, and he worked in my life.
But I felt like I had uh a bubble of protection where, I'll give you an example.

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My dad was militant about us showing up to church services.
you have kind of these picture perfect Mormon families where they've got the white startshirts.
And I was the kid that never had matching socks.
We would get in a fight with the bishop's children, like bloody fist fights.

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um there was a, I could always feel like there was this pressure to conform to what wasgoing on in the Mormon culture.
And um
My dad did not put up with kids that disobeyed his discipline.
But um I recall most Sundays, and maybe because I was younger, I would crawl under the pewand he would leave me alone.

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And it was almost as if I was being um sheltered by the words that were coming at me fromthe sermons.
And before anyone that's of the Mormon faith,
You know, it takes offense.
You have to understand that the son of the bishop that preached, I remember very vividlyhim wearing a t-shirt that said, Ne-Taz on it.

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Ne-Taz.
Which backwards, Satan.
my gosh.
And so here, this is the son of the man that's disseminating so-called wisdom to hisflock.
And being a six or seven year old, looking at that shirt and reading it backwards, sittingthere going, there's something evil about that.

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And instead of my dad jerking me out from the pew, um I think there was a supernaturalgrace where I was protected.
And then um there was the other thing, which is around the age of eight, you really don'thave much of a choice.
You're gonna become a member.
You're gonna be baptized.

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um You're gonna memorize the articles of faith.
And so I remember there being a lot of pressure, but less so on me than my older siblingswho were at the age where they had to do mission trips.
And again, you don't have a choice.
five o'clock in the morning, you're going to go to seminary.

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And with all of your worldly wisdom as an 18 year old, you're going to go out into theworld.
um So I remember
I really, I want to say this with as much sensitivity.
I felt like I was baptized against my will.
Hmm.

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um It was purely out of love for my mother and my father that I didn't want to disappointthem.
But um even to this day, when I was baptized by immersion, I looked up and I could seewhat looked like a catacomb.
So I felt like I was in a crypt.

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And I don't know what that did to me.
Around that same time, later in life, my dad went on a business trip as a Mormon and Godwas working on him.
And again, we're still estranged to this day, so I don't want people to think that wefigured it all out.

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But he went into a Baptist church and heard the gospel and came out and decided to neverattend a Mormon church again.
Wow.
and the level of canceling that happens in that culture.
It's very much akin to Scientology.
I think it's better now because the internet is exposing so many of the, you know.

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um
the inconvenient truths about the faiths.
But back then there was no internet.
You couldn't really research and figure out all of the things that it's like shooting fishin a barrel on theological problems of the church.
You're instilated by other Mormons.

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And these were my aunts, these were my uncles, these were my, these are people that lovedme and I love them.
So it wasn't like I could come at this from like an apologetics debate, you're wrong.
I'm like, I'm eight years old.
But I remember wrestling with the passages in Revelation.

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Like what happens when we add to this book or take away?
Very, very profound questions.
But he came out of this Baptist church and I remember him coming home and telling my momthat he's no longer Mormon.
I could just see kind of the blood draining from my mother.

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Not so much that she cared about the Mormon church, because my mom was always kind of anominal, let's just get along person, lovely, lovely woman.
I mean, I really loved my mother.
um But she knew the cultural implications of separation that, uh and she was right at thatpoint.

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Children.
were instructed, you don't play with David.
um You don't hang out with them.
And around that same time, it seems like there was a license to go after my father.
So the timing of him becoming a whistleblower and exposing corruption, there was apunishment in the here and now where we went from kind of inoculated and protected to uh

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We now live on the poorest street in Myrtle Beach with a gay club and a porno store at theend of the street to go from majestic mountains in Colorado with a manicured home and
nature to, got to walk by homeless people to get to my job at Godfather's Pizza is reallykind of um the formative place.

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So when you talk about awakenings,
to your original question.
I'm kind of weaving here.
uh There are evidences like that where I had to internalize much of what my father wasgoing through as a young observer.
And one of the things that he wrestled with was as a young man himself, one of his friendsin the Mormon church, uh father passed away.

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And we come to find out that his father was a high level 33 degree Mason.
And he came to my teenage father at the time and found one of the sacred texts of theFreemasons and said, Charlie, you like to read, take a look at this book.

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And my dad read this Freemason text and uh
About a week later, his same friend came to him in a panic, saying, like the brothers fromthe lodge are coming and looking through his library, I need you to give me back that
text.
And I've got to come up with some story that it was just misplaced in the home, because Ihave a sense that you'll be in trouble.

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And I remember my dad conveying that story to me.
later, it really didn't dawn on him on the significance of what he saw in that Freemasonbook until he was married in the temple.
And you have access to certain parts of the temple and he was struck by what he saw in thebook and throughout the seal parts of the temple, meaning there was Freemason imagery and

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symbolism everywhere.
And so
You want to talk about the boogeyman.
So now I'm like nine years old and most nine years old kids are playing with their dukesof hazards cars.
I'm contemplating the mysteries of Freemasonry and very, very sensitive to it.

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And so I think when we were rejected and isolated, my grandmother um would not um interactwith us anymore.
And I love my grandmother, but we were canceled.
So it was kind of in the Myrtle Beach, homeless, poor part of town that I would have myblack cloud thinking about things.

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And when things would come across my way without looking for them, whether it was onreally dark subjects like Freemasonry, the Mormon church, um and just so people know,
Freemasonry.
has been proliferated in every single denomination.
When I went to a Baptist church, many of the elders were Freemasons that were havingsordid affairs and had their own dark problems.

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But it would stand out to me.
um
So there was just this spiritual um heaviness that I couldn't articulate.
I didn't fully understand it, but it hit me and it affected me in a way that mysubconscious was constantly wrestling with dark stuff while everyone else was playing

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sports.
so, m you know, so there was a...
I don't know.
It wasn't until I found the Lord that He gave me a way to use that.
Because the way that I dealt with it at the time was through self-medication, which isthis hurts so much, what I'm reading about, that I don't want to feel it.

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And that led me to like trying to numb the conversations.
And I really think God was trying to talk to me.
And He was looking back at it.
He was so loving and so patient with me.
But I didn't see it.
All I saw was the pain.
so when other things would happen, like 9-11, I didn't just accept the narrative.

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I'm like, there's something dark and ominous about this.
And I'd look at it and I would think, I've heard things about George W.
Bush.
My dad told me about him and the skull and bones.
Yeah.
And then you get into studies of the Federal Reserve when I was a law student, we all hadto do kind of our equivalent of a PhD dissertation.

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It's called a long paper.
And I was being bombarded with truths about the Federal Reserve.
And so that's what I wrote about was whether or not this private banking cartel had everreceived a meaningful audit in its history.
And the answer to that is no.
But I remember my professors,
looking at the product that I'm giving them.

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And like I had broken a rule.
Like you don't, what are you doing?
We don't go here.
What are you doing?
And so whether it's Freemasonry, 9-11, I married a structural engineer.
early on she's sitting there going, this doesn't make sense.
But we couldn't tell anyone.

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Like, who are you going to tell?
And so I think much of my walk is my guarding
and seeing darkness.
And then uh I saw darkness politically when I ran for office.
And um then I became a prosecutor, and it wasn't so much in my head.

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The darkness were kind of demons that I was intellectually working out because of familystuff.
uh I started going to crime scenes and seeing people.
um that were murdered.
And um that does something to you.
I think people that saw Charlie Kirk's assassination and actually saw it happen will get aglimpse of what my life was like, because there was a time where you never saw live

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executions on TV.
You didn't see them on the internet.
And it is um soul wrenching.
So I had a career as a prosecutor where I would go into homes and see victims that wereshot and destroyed where their face was absolutely obliterated.

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And it sears, it literally sears into your mind where even now when I talk about it, I cansee it.
And many cases like that, cases that involve children, and then I'd come home and there'sreally no way to relate that to
wife, which was a frustration for Aaron because it's like I'm never home.

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But I had this fire that I wanted to make something right because someone just brutallymurdered this couple.
So I had lots of cases where I don't know why God did it.
I still question.
I have some answers.
But there was a period where it seemed like I had the grossest

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aces on planet Earth.
And I just come home and there's something wrong with the way that I was relating to Erinin that I didn't know how to articulate my job.
So we would have these huge fights.
It really revolved around her sense that I loved my work and I cared more about thevictims than I did about my own family.

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And it wasn't the case.
was actually that I wrestled with such tremendous guilt that I had to solve a problemwhere these people are hanging on by a thread.
And it wasn't until you kind of bear your soul to your wife that she gets it.
But you don't want to be a sobbing mess every day communicating what you saw.
So I would call these quarterly meetings.

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I would basically take on my caseload and the darkness and
my wife would finally kind of get very, very frustrated.
And then I would usually break down and sob and just tell her like what I'm workingthrough.
And as soon as she saw that, she's like, I get it.
But it really was, there wasn't a way out.

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And at some point, I don't think my marriage could take the job that I had because I waseffectively on call for four years straight, meaning on a 24 hour thing.
Yeah.
If someone called me at three o'clock in the morning, um someone's dead, someone had theirhead cut off, we need you to come.

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You had to take those calls.
And so I ended up applying, which is odd that most people know me as a professor.
It was actually the shortest uh part of my professional career was as a professor, but itwas a lifeline.
I really felt like I was going to lose my marriage if I didn't solve the problem of I'mnever home.

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My wife is miserable and she's a good woman.
And m I got a job that I don't think NMSU did appropriate screening to see just howconservative and Christian I was.
It was completely the grace of God that I somehow got sandwiched into that position and Iexcelled.

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got there.
So, I've been kind of yammering on, those are the types of things where I just seem like Iget a little bit of revelation, a little bit of awakening.
But by the time we got to 2020, it was on a whole nother level.
It was as if I was having day visions that were so supernaturally charged.

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And then January 6th in particular.
2021, um I had the most profound supernatural encounter of my life.
And it rocked all my misconceptions about gifts in the spirit, the gift of prophecy.

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And yeah, so I effectively had an angelic encounter.
um
that was so beautiful.
And I experienced for the first time in my life, the true presence of God.
And the only way I can describe it is it's so euphoric and it's so full of love thateverything that I've done to escape heartache, whether it's drug use, all of the myriad of

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sins that I've struggled with my whole life, whatever it is that I've used
from drugs or whatever to cope with that.
This presence dwarfed whatever euphoria that drugs have to offer by a thousand.
And I think we call Spirit-filled believers that have experienced this, they're presenceaddicts.

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They're addicted to the presence.
And so really the last five years of my life,
what has been chalked up to heroism or courage or standing up.
It's not that.
It's that I have a radar for where I think Christ is going and His presence.

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And I want to feel what I felt on January 6th, 2021 so much that I follow it.
And what you find out is that Christ is always in the fray.
He's always saving people in really dangerous spots.
So I go to places that are dangerous, not because I'm courageous, it's because Christ isthere and I want to be close to him spiritually.

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um
That's amazing.
You know, I've heard people say that um people who go into dangerous places like um youthink about Sean Floyd or some of these prophetic voices like Charlie Shamp who go to
places like Pakistan or, you know, I don't know where else.

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You just dangerous, dangerous war torn places.
And you hear them say something like,
um the safest place I can possibly be is where God wants me to be.
Where we get into trouble is when we're not where we're supposed to be, even if that placeis supposed to be safe.

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And so I can really appreciate that and relate to it.
um I've also heard a prophetic voice, a couple of them say over this past weekend goinginto this new Hebraic calendar year,
that we've just entered into 5786 say that the Lord is calling us into the uncomfortable.

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And I was like, what?
Where have we been?
Where in the world have we been if it hasn't already been uncomfortable?
So I guess I guess I say that to say that I think you'll be having more of thoseencounters because it just I don't know what I don't know what lies ahead, but I do know

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that it will take um what looks to other people like courage.
Daniel, would you like to meet my youngest son?
Logan, come on over here since you decided to come in.
This is my boy Logan.
He forgot that I'm having an interview.

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But instead of me looking pained and frustrated, I just figured I'd have him say hello.
absolutely.
Maybe he can get you another cup of water.
Yeah.
See you.
Awesome.
No, that's super sweet.
I had a cameo last week on this show as well.

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you didn't?
Yeah.
It was a loose tooth coming in for inspection.
uh So oh you were talking about NMSU and that you'd spent kind of the least amount of yourprofessional life there.
I've seen clips of you teaching and it's obviously very inspiring and uh thoughtprovoking.

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I recently saw maybe in the last two weeks on the Gateway Pundit that you are suing NMSUbecause I think they were, they were both your, ah you're an alum of theirs and, you were
a tenured professor, but they let you go is a nice way to say it is the euphemism, Iguess, for, um for the COVID, not for refusing the COVID jab.

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So you want to talk a little bit about what's going on with your suit there because I, I,I happen to really believe that
These people are not going to learn their lessons, the universities, they're made to,really.
Yeah.
Yes.
I, there's a weird walk because I felt strongly after I was terminated, which was Octoberof 2021, um God did not want me to focus on that battle because it would have been all

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consuming.
And I really feel like his task and purpose for me was to focus on elections and J6.
And I couldn't do both.
um When a court acquires jurisdiction over you as a party, you're bound by their docket.

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And um I've tried a lot of cases.
And I've done thousands of court hearings, thousands.
So there's something about that that you really have to prepare yourself emotionally andpsychologically for the battle.
And I was already kind of seeing red on elections trying to save my license and theenormity of just trying to save my license presented challenges on whether or not I could

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even file a lawsuit.
People don't understand like when you're,
days away from being disbarred, at least you think.
It's like, well, can I even file this?
I need clarity.
But by waiting, you waive certain causes of action because of the statute of limitations.

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And so I'm sitting there going, if I don't act on this in the next 90 days, I can't filethis type of case.
And so you have to make peace with it.
And then I want to say,
about a year ago, year and a half ago.
um

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God put it on my heart that you should make a demand.
Um, cause I really feel like I was faithful to what he wanted me to do.
And I think he knows that it would grieve me to drive down the street and drive by my oldoffice.
So I'd go out and get a, you know, omelet someplace and just, it's like, that's where Iwent to school.

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I love that place.
went to the football games.
I was all in.
And just to kind of have this
lack of restoration, because I know what I did was right.
I mean, I know that.
I know what this drug did to young women.
I know what it did to miscarriages.

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I know what it did to myocarditis.
And so I always felt supremely at peace for the choice that I made.
um But there was like this lack of a happy ending.
And so one of the things that I've wrestled with is we're talked about being restored,threefold, fivefold.

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And I get really kind of upset with God, which is stupid.
But I'm like, have all these people praying for me, telling me that I'm going to berestored and I'm going to have.
And I was like, I don't see it, God.
How long do I have to wait before I see it?
And also doing the mental work that maybe my restorations, like Paul's, it's like when youdie.

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And I'm okay with that.
But there's a tension when people prophesy or tell you that you're going to be restored.
And they mean in the here and now.
And entertaining that hope and not becoming resentful when it doesn't come about.
And I've had that happen a lot with me.

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It's like, all right, God, if this person's from God and they're saying this.
So I felt about a year ago, he's like, you should make the demand.
And um at the time there was still time to file a lawsuit under civil rights, underfederal law.

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And most of the stuff that we're dealing with with the jab is really civil rightsoriented.
I had all of my paperwork, had a lawsuit, everything prepared, and I was going to go tothe courtroom um before the statute of limitations ran.
I felt like the Holy Spirit prompted me that you might want to hold off.
um He's like, go ahead and just see how other people fared filing these causes of action.

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And so I did.
I'm like, crap, he's right.
None of these people saw justice.
The Black Letter Law is absolutely on point, but there are precedents that were createdtwo years ago when the demonic mob did not care about truth.
They just went with it.

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And so I think the Holy Spirit was telling me, these feckless courts will just applyprecedent from two years ago and your case will meet an unceremonious end.
So I'm frustrated.
I'm like, well, what do want me to do?
You're telling me to make a demand, but then you're also revealing to me after I spent $40in copies to print this up and I'm about to drive to the courthouse to press pause.

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And if I don't file it, I'm waiving another cause of action that actually fits.
looking back at it now, of course, I haven't won anything.
So I could be dead wrong on this.
I felt like God was telling me, don't understand.
The culture has to be changed for you to experience victory.

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And this was before Trump won.
And if Kamala Harris had won and the culture not only was retained, but proliferated, mylawsuit would have been destroyed.
And so he was waiting for me to, or uh he was, think telling me to wait.

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And now that I see RFK Jr.
doing what he's doing and dismantling the CDC.
And I'm getting these great updates almost every day.
It's like, it's given me the capacity to believe that my lawsuit will be effective, notbecause of me or the legal theory.

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It's that God is just shoving the truth in the face of everyone.
And so my cause of action is very, very simple.
It's two counts.
It's breach of contract.
As far as I know, no one was filing lawsuits under breach of contract.

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um so God, I think, was telling me, let's whittle this down to its most simplest form andthink of a jury in your desert backyard.
Did you ever make a deal with the university?
that said that he could inject you with experimental medicine.

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No, I did not.
Okay, write that down.
Did you ever make a that someone could shove something up your nose and swab the back ofyour throat every Monday to keep your job?
No, I did not.
Like, write that down.
And so I'm like, that is simple.

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I can kind of avoid the politics of whether or not people feel guilty for taking the jabbecause 80 % as far as I know did.
And I don't necessarily want a jury that's wrestling with their own guilt about whetherthey took it and taking it out on me because I took a stand.
This is really about the right to say no or say yes.

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And then the second cause of action is extremely novel, but I think it fits.
And that's uh the Unfair Practices Act.
Every state has a version of what happens when usually a commercial entity deceives itsconsumer.

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And I know NMSU is going to fight.
We're a public institution.
We're not a commercial body.
This needs to be dismissed.
I'm like, well, wait a minute.
What is your economic output as a university?
$2.6 billion.
How many uh commercial transactions are at play every day with tuition, books, you nameit.

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There's a sale of services.
And that sale of services is you're getting my teaching based on my expertise and you'recharging students for it to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars.
um
where the deceptive acts enters into this equation is when there is a uh lack ofbargaining power for me as a consumer, where policies are being developed and there's

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bribe money at hand.
And I want to repeat this, there's bribe money on hand to destroy my contract, meaningCARES, the CARES Act.
There's local funds that are tied to the CARES Act that allows universities to collectmillions and millions of dollars, but only if you follow their protocols.

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So what they did is they breached my contract to chase the millions and millions ofdollars.
Like it was worth it to them.
Well, I never agreed to that.
And we know it's deceptive because
In order to get the money, you had to put on a mask.

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But when you look at the box that the mask is in, the box says this doesn't treat COVID.
And yet the email that you're telling me I've got to send is to stop the spread and thatthis will mitigate COVID when the box says the exact opposite.
So like that's deceptive and that's a violation of federal law.

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And then uh
the informed consent.
Well, you don't have to quit.
You don't have to take the jab.
You can take the PCR test where we ran this six inch swab up your nose and you'll do itevery Monday morning in a parking lot.
But even that procedure was experimental.

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Yeah.
means I was entitled to informed consent to refuse that as well.
So everything was tied together but tainted.
um so when you look at the totality of the circumstances and you ask basic questions like,what does it mean to be informed?

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And when they give you the three options for the quote unquote vaccine and you pull outthe informational inserts,
and pull them out and there's nothing on it.
You're saying this is demonic.
So it's under those two theories that I think um the facts speak for themselves.

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But I'm here to tell you that if I win, it will not be because um I've picked the rightcauses of action.
It's because of the work that God is doing where I really feel like the people that havebeen.
participating in this demonic system are going to have to have their Jacob Marley momentwhere they hear the rattling chains and they're literally held in the hand of an angry God

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that's weighing them.
So um there needs to be a feeling of judgment on their minds and hearts as moreinformation comes out about the jab, making this deadly, deadly thing.
So the timings now, um
and I'm

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You know, I struggle with this lawsuit because there is a switch that you have to flip andyou kind of have to become mean to do it right.
Cause the people that you're up against are so mean, they're vicious, they're heartless,they're lawyers.
I know these people and I don't like being that person.

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I really have been enjoying this spiritual walk where I can have the ebb and flow and Idon't want to get into adversarial mode, but
I'm prepared to do it.
And the filing of the lawsuit was basically all right.
It's wartime.
And you have to make certain commitments when you file a lawsuit, which is um come hell orhigh water.

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Either the law is going to take this case from me because of corrupt practices, or I'mgoing to see this through, even if it means going to a jury of my peers.
Yeah, this is the time the kings go out to war.
So I think you will be successful.
Do um your causes of action put you in a different kind of court than you would have beenotherwise?

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Yeah, state court.
um Again, civil rights, you're in a federal court.
And there's all kinds of benefits to filing for civil rights because you can ask forpunitive damages.
um If you file under the Tort Claims Act, there are statutory caps on how much you canrecover.
So I'm not suing under a tort theory.

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I'm not suing under a civil rights theory.
It's basically contract law.
in the Unfair Practices Act.
The Unfair Practices Act though, if a jury finds that there was deception, offers tripledamages.
So whatever my actual damages are, they can multiply it by three.

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so I've got a catalog of damages.
The parties will go back and forth, but it's not a small number.
one of the things that I...
demanded in my demand letter was restoration to a position.
And many people are sitting there going, why would you do that given what you've beenthrough?

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And that's really me entertaining the spiritual dynamics of maybe it's not for me down theroad.
Maybe I shouldn't be a professor anymore, but I love that job and I did it really well.
Yeah.
I loved the students and I poured myself out for the students and I sacrificed my careerso that they would not be harmed physically.

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And maybe it's absurd to ask to be restored to where I would have been.
Maybe I'd be miserable doing it, but m I felt like God said, make the demand.
make the demand.
And yeah.
Yeah.

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So I want to have as many options.
And I'm not trying to be cavalier.
think if God gave me the miracle of going back into the classroom to teach, after all ofthe shaming and destruction of my character, I would walk through those doors and I'd see

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what God wants me to do from there.
I think it's important that God vindicates his justice.
And so I'm going to exercise enough faith that um there's a potential reconciliationbecause I don't want to hate an MSU.
really don't.
I really want there to be a blessing and acknowledgement that what they did was wrong, umbut there should be mercy.

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so I'm praying for some unorthodox solution where there can actually be
real healing and forgiveness.
um But you have to acknowledge what you did.
And if you do that, I'll move on.
But let me teach and let me get back to what I love.
I love that.
And your cause of action about breach of contract, that is a thousand percent from theHoly Spirit.

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And I'll tell you story.
Do you, did you know that I worked for Pfizer?
I don't know if you knew that.
Okay.
Okay.
So I worked for Pfizer during, um, during COVID, which, you know, the belly of the beast,if you, I mean, if there ever was one and I was in a similar, standoff, Chinese standoff

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with.
them about not wanting to take the jab.
And I had refused to take it.
My doctor wrote me a medical exemption and they rejected it like immediately and said thatit wasn't, what did they say?
There was no contraindication on the label or something as if they knew what it would doto my body.

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These evil, evil people.
Anyway, um my boss really wanted me to take it.
She really wanted me to take it.
Now, this is a boss who six months earlier said, wait a sec, maybe not six months, maybe ayear earlier was like, uh Pfizer is gonna be making a jab.

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There is no way in hell I'm taking that thing.
Because everybody knows what it takes to make a vaccine in that building.
I mean, at least if you don't know what it takes, you at least know the amount of time ittakes.
And so anyway, fast forward, she had taken it.
It's amazing how people who,
drink the Kool-Aid, you you believe your own lies after some point.

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And so anyway, she had asked me, she was like, you know, there's a promotion here for you.
You can go to Europe and you ah can build partnerships in Europe to sell the vaccine.
And I was like, first of all, why would I do that?
Look what y'all are doing to me.
I would never put myself in a position where I would be doing.

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what you're doing to me to other people.
That's first of all insane.
But secondly, I asked her and this was the Holy Spirit moment.
What's the social contract?
I've seen how Pfizer fires people every day of the week and I know the 18 month cycle ofreorganization where you never know if you're on the chopping block.

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So what's to tell me?
Can you promise me that if I take this, I'll have my job next week?
Crickets, absolute crickets.
So anyway, I think you should be very encouraged about that breach of contract.
ah
thing is just what you're telling me is there's a cost to your identity, your soul.

(01:04:13):
And there's always this attractive offer that plays on your fear.
What if I don't have a paycheck?
I mean, and I'm well acquainted with that.
And I had a great conversation with a spirit-filled believer that I love.
His name is Dr.
Firth and he was a

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co-professor, and his wife was the one that told him, don't you dare get the jab.
Otherwise, he honestly told me that I think I would have succumbed to the pressure, but mywife probably would have left me.
So I went to that parking lot every Monday, and they shoved the thing up my nose.

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And he told me, I'm paraphrasing.
He said, it was so humiliating.
It was so soul destroying.
And he says, on spring break, I missed going.
And he said, you should have saw the emails where they just shamed me and made me feellike I was less than human because I missed a week.
And he's like, I just didn't think about it.
So it's like, played.

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I played through the system and endured all of the insanity.
And the way that I heard from him was, um
You know, it had an effect and I don't judge him because a lot of those people that umlook at me, I think they feel when we talk, there's a level of judgment because I

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basically was like on fire.
It's like, no way.
And there are people that took it that I love and I understand why they took it.
And I want people to know that the only reason why I came out the way that I did
was because I had an encounter that was so euphoric.

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I was on autopilot.
Like there was no other way.
It's like, get behind me Satan.
I'm not touching it.
I'm not wearing the mask.
And it was just Holy Spirit fire.
And there was a version of me prior to that encounter where I probably would have done themeticulous negotiation.

(01:06:34):
the exemptions, can I get a piece of paper from a religious standpoint?
And so I probably would have entertained those avenues.
But after my encounter, was not only no, but hell no.
I were like, God was telling me, all right, let's run the tape.

(01:06:58):
Let's think this through, David.
You're going to ask permission.
to someone that doesn't believe in me.
Here's the premise.
To make a decision that has everything to do with natural rights, like my law, and you'regoing to let them judge the sincerity of your belief.

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And what happens when they judge your belief as unsincere and they reject your request?
Why?
I mean, so he's almost telling me, like, why would you give authority and power to anentity?
to make that decision.
They don't have that power and authority.

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They do not have the power to put something in your body.
I made you.
I will protect you.
And that's why when people asked me if I would help them get a religious or legalexemption, a lot of them were surprised.
I would tell them, no.

(01:08:04):
I understand why you're doing it.
Do whatever you want.
But I'm telling you right now,
that the very premise is so soul destroying.
You don't even realize what you're doing is you're giving the devil kind of the gradingchart to judge you.
And what happened?
99%.

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I don't know what the real numbers are.
I don't have that information.
But if I had to guess, it's probably something like that.
We're denied.
And people said, well, and you can hear them.
I took it because I had no choice.
I went the exemption route and they told me, no, I wasn't approved.
And then they had to form a way of thinking about it that was very noble.

(01:08:49):
Oh, so now I'm going to do this sacrificially because I love my wife and my kids.
And it's like, no, there's a slight perversion there.
Let's be honest, there's a slight lie that you're buying into.
Because you think about the whole point of taking it if it is to provide for your family,provide what?

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Health and security.
And then you look at the aftermath of those that have taken the jab, what has beenshattered?
Their health and security.
And outside of like some supernatural covering where God has gone into the blood, God is,I mean, he's done miraculous things for people that have made really, really terrible

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decisions.
that's the work of intercession.
That's supernatural grace to cover what you did.
so a lot of people, I think, are doubling down.
It's misguided to suggest that it wasn't that big of a deal.
And really what it was, was God's mercy to spare you.

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And we're not out of the woods yet.
No.
And you're exactly right.
It was a humiliation exercise.
And I don't think it had, of course, it didn't have anything to do with health and safety.
had everything to do with power and ceding authority to other entities to tell you how tolive your life.

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And so I'm firmly on the side of we shouldn't have exemptions period because they have nobusiness knowing about my life.
They have no.
well, I've got discovery.
That's going to be really fun in my lawsuit where, you know, I'm telling you right now,the disciplinary board, the investigators, the officers that subjected me to their

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inquiries, I'm going to have fun asking them if they took the jab, when they took the jab,when they took the booster, whether they got COVID after they took the booster, and uh
what's their defense?
Can they really tell me it's none of my business when there's a database that informedthem whether or not I took the jab?

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ah I don't think they quite understand the doors that have been opened by uh just thehubris.
You mentioned the power and they never thought this day would come.
And so I'm looking forward to depositions and asking those questions because a million.

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to seem to populate my brain on where I want to go with the discovery.
You are going to have a field day with that and well-deserved field day.
In some ways, I wish I could do some of the same to my former employer, but I think theirday's coming.
Their stock is already tanking really badly every day.

(01:11:49):
Yeah, well, this whole talk about Tylenol and links to autism seems to be a soft insert towedge the door open for something much bigger.
Because most people I talk to never really associated Tylenol with autism.
But if you're going to go after, I mean, I think people need to really think about thesignificance of this.

(01:12:13):
Tylenol is the most benign medicine on the planet.
You're talking about inviting
a legal firestorm from one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies.
And people are kind of upset.
What about the jabs?
It's like, if you're willing to do this with Tylenol, I guarantee you, Pfizer's on thelist.

(01:12:35):
Yeah, their day's coming.
Their day's coming.
Tell us a little bit about your new, you call it a commentary.
I thought calling it a podcast was way too, I don't know, doesn't suit what you're puttingout because ah your show or commentary is so beautiful.

(01:12:57):
It's so heartfelt and it's...
It's bringing a depth to the conversation that is missed on Twitter, that is missed in thecacophony of the news cycle that we are living through and I don't know, in a way feel
assaulted by on a daily basis, you know, for those of us who kind of live the news cycleand try and follow it so we can keep up with what's going on.

(01:13:25):
uh What inspired it and where do see it going?
Um, what inspired it was failure.
Um, I was, I reached a ceiling and how I was reaching people.
It's weird.
So short-lived in 2021, I kind of exploded on the scene and had no problem reachinghundreds of thousands of people with interviews, the Lindell symposiums.

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And as soon as I latched on to the machines,
slave masters in our elections.
It's as if something said that's over the target.
He can't go any further.
And it's weird.
So for five years, I've traveled extensively, I've met people, I've seen things go viral,only to have like this clamp shut down.

(01:14:19):
Usually if you get like a hundred thousand views on a trailer in a day, you're destinedfor something viral.
So when Let My People Go came out, the trailer, was like a hundred thousand views in aday.
And then no more.
It's like a trickle of one, two, three, four.

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And you apply that to all of my platforms.
So it's demoralizing because it's like, I'm working so hard to reach people and I don'tget invited to the prom.
I don't get to go on Tim Poole's show.
I don't get to go on Rogan's.
It's like,
Mm-hmm.
I'm talking about the really the only thing that matters.

(01:15:01):
And I know that that's why I'm not growing because I've really focused on the quality ofthe content.
And when I'm trying to relate, I'm trying my best to be truthful about what I know aboutthe problems and there's no audience for it.
And it's weird.
Like when I go out and travel, I know there's an audience when there's not this filter andI meet people.

(01:15:24):
It's like, I'll draw 200 people.
to a building in the middle of nowhere that saw a video.
And I'm like, how come this doesn't translate?
And I know why it doesn't translate.
But I thought the way to solve the problem was, OK, well, if I can't build it alone, letme be a part of a team.

(01:15:45):
And so I partnered with my dear friend, Joe Altman, who I love.
And he's been throttled in his own way.
partnered with Mike Lindell and Frank Speech.
I'm like, let's build a media company.
And um whether I knew it or not, I took on a very support related role for about threeyears where I um was giving up my own voice to platform and raise other people's voices.

(01:16:16):
And I have no regrets about that.
But I'm like, all right, Lord, I couldn't get my voice out doing it my own way.
So maybe I can just be a part of something bigger.
uh after three years, what I can tell you is that approach failed too.
um In some ways, it was more demoralizing because you see the worst of humanity and all ofthe people that aren't walking with the Lord as closely as at least I think I am,

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hijacking my talent.
time and just using me.
I won't gossip or speak out of school, but what I can tell you is that I've had promisesmade and hundreds of thousands of dollars stolen from me on agreements that I've made with
people um that I would have never thought would do that to me.

(01:17:13):
Again, I don't want to give the devil a place to celebrate in fighting.
But when my cabin burned down last summer, and I'm sitting there going, I don't have themoney to rebuild my cabin.
But if someone was honest and I was able to receive what I earned in this agreement,building this, I could rebuild my cabin.

(01:17:43):
And so I didn't want to be this vessel of bitterness, just really trusting God, again,making the demand.
um
When January 20th happened this past year, I felt like I said yes to everything, everyshow, because I wanted the prisoners out.

(01:18:07):
I wanted the J6ers out so desperately that I'm like, all right, any day that I'm nottalking about them is a day that I'm doing them a disservice.
And then they got out.
and all of a sudden that pressure to be on a show, rallying people.

(01:18:28):
They need to get out.
They need to get out.
It uh was a happy ending.
And I'm looking for two happy endings.
One is J-6ers and the other is elections.
We're not there yet with elections.
But they got out and I'm like sitting there going, I don't have to do anything right now.

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And I'll be honest, I was so tired of hearing myself talk on these interviews, because Idid so many of them, and I had the answers to every question, because I had answered them
a million times.
That part of my mind could wander and not even engage, and I could answer the questions.

(01:19:11):
That's not a good feeling if you're an authentic person.
um So I started silently committing like,
All right, I'm going to take a step back from conservative daily.
Again, knowing that I love Joe, I love what he's doing.
And I don't want to say anything unless God tells me to say.

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It's kind of like one of the questions I have about modern day prophets.
And I'm not questioning any of the prophets out there, but I have to think.
There's a temptation for prophets to produce a word in line with a production scheduletied to an algorithm.

(01:19:58):
And I just don't see Elijah running into that same problem.
So it's like, how much of this is, you talking with God in earnest to get something andshare it?
Because you want to make sure that you're part of the ebb and flow of how the worldthinks.
and how many have had the discipline to say, you know something, God hasn't talked to methis week.

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And that's okay.
Or there are periods of time where Elijah didn't hear from God.
Because I'm here to tell you I've gone through seasons and they've been so painful where Idid not hear from God.
And I questioned everything.
I questioned my existence, my reality, my purpose, because I'm sitting there like David inthe Old Testament, where are you?

(01:20:47):
I need you.
I don't have an answer to this.
so I just got to this place where I don't,
want to just go on anything and rehash current events and give my spin on it as a quoteunquote professor.
And so one month became two months, became three months, became four months.

(01:21:09):
I'm like, I really like this.
I could get used to this.
And then I just got to a place where I confessed my fears to God.
I owe this bit of wisdom to Jamie Winship, a guy that I stumbled across.

(01:21:33):
He's so transformative in the way that he thinks and confessing to God what you're afraidof.
And it's like the most honest dialogue.
so I just, after five months, because so many people would reach out to me saying, David,why hasn't the White House reached out to you about elections?

(01:21:57):
I'm like, I don't know, maybe I suck.
Maybe I'm delusional.
Maybe I have not made any discernible impact.
I mean, I'm being absolutely honest, like maybe in my head, because there was noacknowledgement or reward or an attaboy from anyone that's in a position of power.

(01:22:19):
Now, caveat, I know who's in power, but here on the earth, it's like, oh,
Dave, I'm going to get you an interview with the chief White House counsel.
And this is a power player.
And then you find out two weeks in that chief counsel resigned, like two weeks into hispost, he's gone.
It's like, well, there went that interview.

(01:22:40):
And so a lot of people don't understand that I was looking and praying in my own mind.
Like I would love to have a post where I can meaningfully complete the work.
but this time with resources and authority and power.
Who wouldn't want to be able to be part of Trump's team?

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And none of that happened.
And so I don't want to be, so I'm sitting there going, well, I don't want to be bitter.
I don't want to start attacking Trump for not acknowledging anything that I've done.
So Lord, like what are you, you know, it's a Jamie Winship question.
What do you want me to know about my circumstances?
Because if I'm doing this for you, it really doesn't matter if I get the credit.

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It really doesn't matter if I get to play on the varsity team.
I'm doing this because I care about the problem you gave me.
um So I felt like God was just saying, I want you to be okay if you go your entire lifeand no one gives you the credit.

(01:23:46):
You want to talk about mind blowing.
Yeah.
Oh, really?
You know, nothing?
He's like, I want you to be okay with it.
In other words, I want you to die to this idea.
It may come, but I want you to die to it.
And I want you to really, really just be okay with talking with me.

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And...
What does that look like?
Because again, we judge our products by the metrics.
And so if you get 500 views or 300 views on YouTube for one of these podcast videos, I'msitting there going, I spent 12 hours on Monday writing what I'm writing, what my article

(01:24:38):
for this week.
And then I spent another 12 hours rewriting it because I wanted to have a certain cadenceand depth to it.
I can't even speak, so I can't record yet.
I've got to get things to an editor.
And I'm literally pouring every bit into this to make sure that it's a connection with theHoly Spirit.

(01:24:59):
Like I don't want there to be anything in the production that isn't led by the HolySpirit.
And then you put it up on YouTube and it's like,
300 views.
So that's the world telling me, give up.
um There's no point.

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The cost, time, benefit analysis, you're failing.
And I think God wants me to have the faith to say no.
talk to me.
Let's have a conversation.
I'm going to give you something that's probably not going to be comfortable for you totalk about each week.

(01:25:43):
But I want you to say it.
And I want you to put it out.
And I want you to be so super focused on only caring about what I want you to say.
And that's it.
And every week, um there's been this wrestling match of like, I really don't want to talkabout this.

(01:26:05):
I really don't.
Can't you give me something like safer or something that's going to get me clicks?
It's like, no, I'm going to give you one about husbands and wives.
oh Okay.
I'm going give you one to talk about how to play chess in the spirit.

(01:26:26):
Like people are going to think I'm crazy for putting this out there.
And a lot of people will get emails and they'll attack me like little demons.
And so I don't know if I have a good answer.
Other than to say I still wrestle with feeling like I'm delusional because all of themetrics are telling me this is not very fruitful.

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I kind of, grew up listening to punk rock music.
I grew up playing to punk rock music.
And some of my favorite bands were self saboteurs.
And that kind of added to their punk rock credibility.
Mm-hmm.
And so I'm going to embrace that um even if no one sees it, that it's going to be um soauthentically me.

(01:27:22):
It's going to be my voice.
I'm going to take risks with how I communicate ideas.
um And I used to be a songwriter when I played in these punk rock bands.
And m I've had to give up music since COVID.
um
Most of my playmates were um not Christians, but great musicians.

(01:27:49):
And the Lord took away my ability to write songs.
And this is the closest thing that I've come to where I really feel like I'm writing asong.
It's like, I want there to be rhythm and flow and um music to it.
There's a pacing.

(01:28:10):
And it's going to be my little song each week.
I want to be able to do 52 songs this year and then maybe 52 more.
And the burden I think that God's put on my heart is we've been through five years of helland there are principal truths that I want you to articulate for no one to forget what

(01:28:38):
I've just done.
and what I'm going to do for my people.
And I want you to talk about things that are kingdom.
And so someone can go there and put it all together.
And maybe you'll have a anthology of sorts two or three years down the road where peoplecan really understand spiritually what it was like to walk these years.

(01:29:05):
Because if there's one thing that I felt like God has impressed upon me from a jobdescription, and this goes back to January 6, I was given a word.
And it's a really weird word, but it's a place mark.
It's as if he told me who I am and it's the place mark.

(01:29:29):
And so what does that mean?
Like, am I going to places and driving stakes in the ground?
And I've certainly done that, 49 states.
But I got a sense early on that I think God told me, I want you to...
celebrate what I'm going to do for you in your country.

(01:29:51):
And I want you to keep it alive because if you keep it alive, then that will stave offjudgment.
Meaning I don't want this to be a celebration of a four year term.
I want this to be a generational 80 year, 100 year celebration.
And the way that you get to help me do that is by reminding everyone by place marking whatI've done.

(01:30:16):
And when you think about that, it's like I'm kind of a journalist for God.
It's like I'm interviewing God.
And you have to be okay with being nobody.
And I know that I'm somebody.
I know that God loves me and He knows my heart.
But when He asked me those questions, I want you to be okay.

(01:30:39):
I want you to consider being okay that if no one remembers your name.
I'll remember your name and that's good enough.
And as soon as I got that picture, I got peace because otherwise I'm wrestling with, wantwhat's mine, Lord.

(01:31:01):
I want my name back.
I want my reputation back.
I want to be restored.
And he's like, yeah, so did Paul.
So did Peter.
So did Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
So did everyone that I've used and everyone, by the way, that's inspired you.
Everyone that's inspired you, David, that's moved you to tears reading about them.

(01:31:23):
uh Virtually none of them got the Hollywood ending.
And so I think that's a sign of God's love.
And I've prayed many times to Him for three things.
One is I said, God, I want you to...
I want to have faith that's so insanely big.

(01:31:49):
I want to have the most faith of anyone in the world.
I pray for that.
um And so God's like, okay, I'm going to test that.
um And so I've had people prophesy over me really, really incredible things that are soabsurd that I would never tell you or your audience what has been prophesied about my

(01:32:12):
future.
because it's just going to invite and attack.
But I am in the throes of this faith proposition.
I prayed for it.
The other thing is wisdom, kind of in the Solomon way.
And I'm not trying to hijack this to get to riches, because there's a way to I'm justgoing to ask for wisdom knowing that God's done this.

(01:32:39):
But to have purpose as someone who cares deeply about his country.
cares deeply about Jesus.
And I know that if I'm given a promotion someday, maybe 10 years down the road, that youbetter have the wisdom to be ready to go.
um so I feel like the next chapter in my life right now to kind of put a bow on thepodcast is this is a really special time for me to spend the next year, two years, I don't

(01:33:10):
know how long to really meditate on things.
if my numbers call to do something else down the road, I'll be ready.
Well, you are making such a beautiful sound to the Lord.
I think your podcast is, I think it's a catalog, but it's imparting wisdom, it's impartingreality because you're not skirting around the difficult truths and you're not making

(01:33:41):
apologies for things that haven't gone our way.
in the way that we hope things would go, you know, because you see a lot of that.
There's a lot of this excuse making for the direction of the truth movement and um peopleare saying all kinds of crazy things to excuse why we haven't experienced the justice that

(01:34:07):
we want to experience, to excuse why um even that there's still such a combative spacebetween
conservative voices and the left or even inside of our own movement.

(01:34:31):
It feels kind of dog eat dog in a weird way.
It's so ugly.
It's so ugly and it's very, it's unbecoming.
I think we...
to your point, I just want to say this before I forget it.
know, Charlie Kirk's funeral really has brought that out.

(01:34:56):
And all the people that have an agenda on who they want to say he was, there's this tenseanger and um black and white.
I don't want to name names, I'm going to in this like Laura Loomer, for instance.

(01:35:21):
very, very critical of Tucker Carlson.
I heard what said.
It's almost as if a hundred platforms out of nowhere have entered into my ex-feed todestroy Tucker, much like they did to Mel Gibson.

(01:35:43):
I remember when he did interviews for The Passion early on, and there's the scene whereit's right out of the gospels about his crucifixion.
We can't escape the fact that culturally, Jesus, a Jew, was in the midst of Jews andRomans, and that happened.

(01:36:06):
And by describing something historically, the invective to cast him in this Jew-hatingrhetoric is so forced, and it's so ugly because it's devoid of nuance.
Because I think if you were to ask Tucker,
a series of questions, he would say historically, yes, these were the people who surroundJesus when it happened.

(01:36:32):
But what put Jesus on the cross?
I did.
I did.
Hawaiian Scotch Irish David Clements in 2025, it's my sin that put Jesus on the cross.
And that's the answer.
It's like, all of us.
Yeah.

(01:36:53):
But there's no nuance um when there's an agenda, especially with Satan.
So it's satanic to see the outcropping, because I actually think that Tucker wascourageous.
think he gave one of the absolute best set of remarks that I heard.
I thought he was so honest.

(01:37:15):
And what I've seen from Tucker basically, I think since he was let go, fired from Fox, isjust a progression that's been really beautiful.
And I think in a way culminated at that, the rally at MSG during Trump's um campaign.

(01:37:36):
I looked at him when he was giving his talk there and I said, he is finally free.
He is free, man.
um And maybe people don't like the perspective he's bringing now.
ah
forced.
I think this gets back to the agendas.
It's like there is a concerted agenda and it's really difficult for people like myself wholove Israel.

(01:38:02):
I mean, I want to be clear.
And I didn't used to feel this way when I used to enter political discussions through alibertarian lens, which is the way I used to.
I used to be kind of a Ron Paul purist.
I didn't have my blood bot moment.
where I was looking at everything through the purview of scripture.
And if someone were to ask me, you know, is it rational or fair that you hold Israel in away that's different than any other country?

(01:38:35):
Rationally, I'd have to honestly answer and say, no, it's not fair, but the word of God,but the word of God.
And
I have to care about the things that God cares about, even if I don't fully understandthem.
So it's weird that I love Israel more than I ever have.

(01:38:57):
And I don't know where to differentiate between government, nation.
I don't get into that.
What I try to understand is that, okay, I also love my country and my government has beenbeset by wolves.
Yeah.
And I know that if I'm Satan, the way that I hijack is I will play on your sympathies andwhat you love and I will pivot and I'll hijack it and I will use it for my ends.

(01:39:32):
And so you've got this huge group of evangelicals that rightly love Israel, but there's noprobing questions about how Satan is attacking Israel.
And if we have the capacity to understand that Satan attacks our own government, whywouldn't he attack Israel's?
And I think that's what Tucker's trying to get at.

(01:39:54):
And yet you seem to have these people out of whole cloth that emerge out of nowhere withhundreds of thousands of followers, if not millions, they just show up on X.
And it's like, did you see what that anti-Semite did?
Blaming the Jews.
And it's like, no, that's not the truth.
It's not.

(01:40:14):
And there's so much of that.
I mean, to what you said, there is this very forced, ugly uh discourse playing out.
And for good or bad, turning point is the full.
And so it's interesting.

(01:40:35):
Yeah, it is interesting and I guess we'll see what the next couple of weeks and months asthey unfold.
uh I think you're right that maybe a little bit more nuance is needed to come out into thepublic sphere um about, even about Turning Point because I don't think anything in this

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world is pure as the driven snow as much as we love the people, as much as we love themission, as much as we align with a mission.
We have to have some space to understand that none of us are Jesus and no organization isperfect.
And so I don't know where we go from here, but I do have a lot of hope that, like yousaid, RFK Jr.

(01:41:24):
is really hammering the big pharma front.
I really pray that we start seeing more on the election integrity front from
from the top, had Colonel Reynolds on maybe last week and he was very, um very confidentor expectant that we should see something soon.

(01:41:48):
So I pray that he's right.
And I don't know, I think I'm in a similar place as you, know, we'll see where the Lordtakes what we're doing.
um You know, we can, we give a humble offering and we're, you know, you're faithful andyou're...
um
obedient and then he'll provide the rest.

(01:42:09):
And I think the just shall live by faith and they won't shrink back, but they willexperience true life.
That's a full circle, a full circle discussion here today.
Yeah, there's God's will and there's our free will.
And I've come to the conclusion that the exercise of free will is not a good thing.

(01:42:35):
I mean, you have to have it.
But it's basically a choice to depart from God's will.
And usually that's not a good thing.
I'm so encouraged that God in His sovereignty knows the hearts and minds of His creation.

(01:42:57):
And when they try to use Him to enact their own agenda, He steers things in ways that I'mblown away because the turning point thing, there's risks to um offering martyrdom in like
a sainthood status because what it does is it

(01:43:17):
paint with a broad brush stroke.
And it seems to venerate everything that this person said.
And to push back on things where he was wrong is in poor taste.
And again, that's a weapon of the evil one.
um But you also don't want to be the accuser and lack grace where you diminish the greatthings that Charlie Kirk has done.

(01:43:43):
And I was absolutely uh
devastated in the spirit.
And I'll be honest, Charlie Kirk in Turning Point made my life as an election integrityadvocate very difficult, like very difficult to create a training paradigm that wholly

(01:44:04):
ignores the machines and the industrial scale production of mail-in ballots.
and his followers, they
It's as if that's not part of the equation.
And it's mind numbingly frustrating to work in a paradigm of truth where the biggestpoints of subversion of stealing our voices are wholly ignored and yet still love him.

(01:44:39):
And so my last offering was my best attempt to thread the needle.
um and honor him, but at the same time, like there's some red flags going off people andthis is going to be used by the evil one.
And really all we should concern ourselves is what's the truth?

(01:45:03):
What's the truth?
Like I can say, love Charlie, um but really what's the truth about inaccurate weights andmeasures?
And it's...
What I did not expect was God to bring to the forefront Charlie's own struggles about thedeep state in Israel.

(01:45:27):
That came out of nowhere.
And if you know Charlie, that struggle with not criticizing Israel when he has been thebiggest conservative defender of Israel.
really highlights the Python spirit.
Mm.

(01:45:47):
And in some ways, I think it allows people to recognize there's a Python spirit within theelection framework.
And so I want to give grace that Charlie, maybe he wasn't affected the way that I havewith the slave trade in our elections, but he was confronting something that was so ugly

(01:46:08):
in the delay.
responding to the attack on October 7th that I felt like he was being held in the hand ofGod saying you can't act like this didn't happen.
So when he talks about a 45 minute helicopter trip getting to Gaza and a six hour standdown, you get goosebumps because you're going, my gosh, he's right.

(01:46:38):
There's no reason why that should happen.
And because it's Charlie Kirk, because of the way that he has just gone out of his way todefend Israel, there was so much weight given to those questions.
And so the commentary that I'm trying to push on is not so much.

(01:47:02):
on Charlie Work when it comes to elections.
It's like, just as he was having that tough push and pull over Israel, that's how I'vebeen dealing with elections and turning point.
And I see greater similarities, but um are we cognizant of the Python spirit?
Because it's everywhere in the GOP on how to constrict the truth so much so that theserpent can survive.

(01:47:30):
And that's really all that the serpent wants to do is survive.
Because we know in the book of Acts, when Paul saw the python spirit in the fortuneteller, as soon as he recognized it for what it was and pronounced the name of Jesus, the

(01:47:50):
spirit was incinerated.
And the GOP and conservative ink and all the groups that we mostly interface with
Yeah.
are kind of incubators for that serpent to slide up really close.
It's like it getting close to a heater and getting comfortable, but not being burnt.

(01:48:11):
And I think this is the time where if we truly want to honor truth tellers and firstamendment, let's incinerate that spirit everywhere we can.
Yeah, it's amazing that you say that because the Lord was talking to me this week abouthow the exaltation of His name ah allows us to reign and what He meant by that was

(01:48:35):
something that I found very revelatory.
It's not something I could have come up with on my own.
ah What He meant by it was when we reign with the Lord,
It is, um it's a shifting of the atmosphere.
It's not a reigning over people.
It's a shifting.
It's taking charge over the way the atmosphere is operating and clearing the atmospherehappens when we exalt the name of Jesus.

(01:49:03):
And when you exalt the name of Jesus, when the atmosphere is cleared, it gives people theability to think clearly.
It gets rid of, I think what you're calling this Python constricting.
Spirit or maybe it's not the python spirit specifically.
Maybe it's it's all demonic activity is is kind of silenced hushed so that someone can seeclearly and think clearly and that happens when we Exalt the name of Jesus.

(01:49:31):
That's that's the key to moving to moving that um
Well, I tell you this, I shared this with Danielle offline, but I'll share it now.
um I usually post my podcast.
It runs Sunday morning, but I usually have all the work done Saturday.

(01:49:56):
And uh I've told Daniel that recently, anytime I'm involved in a spiritual battle ofwarfare,
that takes on a certain entity or spirit.
I usually struggle with some physical malady that represents the warfare that I'm upagainst.

(01:50:18):
And there's a cost.
And so as soon as I published the article, I've had this throat issue.
It's as if a Python has been trying to constrict my voice to keep me from talking.
And I'm amazed that we're an hour and 50 minutes in.
and I've been able to speak.
And if anything, I'm feeling better and better as we're talking.

(01:50:41):
But in every previous battle with um spiritual forces, there's a challenge for me.
And um so this has been a challenge, but I'm so thankful.
And again, I just want to apologize to your viewers that you've had us sit through andlisten to me like this.

(01:51:01):
But um yeah, it is what it is.
Well, it's amazing and I can't, I just think that if you start worshiping for a fewminutes after we are done here, your voice is going to be as clear as a bell.
well, yeah, it may be so.
But David, thank you so much for spending time with me today.

(01:51:24):
I hope you didn't feel like I was holding you hostage.
The time just kind of went away.
I don't know.
I kind of lost track of time.
So thank you for sticking with me in spite of.
your throat issue and I just bless you, I honor you.
How can people uh find your work?
How can people support your work?

(01:51:44):
And how can people be praying for you?
Thank you for the question.
And thank you for the interview.
Time flies when you're in great company.
And the best way that people could support me is I started a Substack channel.
And everything that I do, this is really weird.

(01:52:06):
It's free.
So it's hard to pitch people to become a monthly sponsor of something that I'm giving awayto everyone.
But I hope that
based on this conversation, you could see why things don't make sense because there's suchan unorthodox response to my work, which is usually shadow ban.

(01:52:27):
um Growth does not happen the same way for me as it does for other people.
So, um sub stack, just look for Professor David Clements.
And if God moves you to be a monthly paid subscriber,
know that you don't really get any different benefits or privileges than people that getit for free.

(01:52:51):
I see those people as sponsors that care enough about the message that they want others toget it.
But right now, I'm probably sitting at 240 small donation sponsors, and it's really notenough to keep.

(01:53:14):
what I'm doing.
So my goal is to get it to a thousand and then I'd have a sense of security.
But we'll see.
mean, God has blessed me in other ways indirectly, but in my mind, like I know that I canjustify paying a film editor and all of the stuff because the time I put into the podcast

(01:53:36):
invariably is time away from something else that I know I could do for paid work.
I really want Substack to be kind of the focal point, because it's the only place thatI've been to thus far where I'm not seeing direct censorship and everything else.
I'm kind of guessing.

(01:53:56):
So Substack.
And then I've got a website called theprofessorsrecord.com.
And at the top, there's buttons for all of the places where I'm on social media.
So if you want to follow me there and help fight the algorithm.
I would greatly appreciate it.

(01:54:16):
Awesome.
Well, God bless you David and I will say it's it's not that you're not getting anythingfor your subscription cost It's an investment and the Lord uh honors seed sown into good
soil.
So Yeah, don't undersell it
Well, I appreciate it.
God bless you, Daniel.
God bless you.
Feel better.

(01:54:36):
oh
actually uh thought that we were doing this yesterday and I woke up and I had like a poundof cough drops.
I'm like, I'm not going to speak.
And then I looked at the calendar and I'm like, praise God.
I get another day to heal up and we got through it.
So thank you so much for the wonderful questions.

(01:54:59):
I love what you're doing.
I love the fact that you're interviewing so many really incredible guests.
God has put
great people in front of you.
And I'm just, I'm so encouraged that there are people like yourself out there givingvoices to people like me.
Well, it's my honor and my privilege.

(01:55:20):
Thank you so much for the kind words, David, and for your time.
I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day, and I'll be talking to you soon.

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