FLF: #21 Lifelines of Hope w/ Rachel Owen

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Welcome to For the Love of Freedom.
Today is Wednesday, October 8th.
8th is the day of new beginnings, so it's perfect day for a fresh start.
And it is 10 a.m.
Central.
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I am your host Danielle Walker and on this show we meet with people who've rejected thestatus quo, who've broken with convention, have broken with the belief that the TV tells
them the truth and each of my guests in their own way are working to bring freedom to theworld.
Well, I have been so looking forward to today's show because of my guest, Rachel Owen.

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Let me just, sorry, one second.
uh Rachel Owen is the founder of Infinite Worth, a 24-7 nurse chat line that's reachedover 200,000 women in crisis, connecting women to real help before the abortion clinic.
With 15 years leading pregnancy centers and partnerships with 600 clinics, Rachel has rareaccess to what women are thinking at their most vulnerable times.

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Every month, her work helps to save.
2500 mothers and babies.
What an incredible inspiration and encouragement and challenge.
Rachel, welcome to the show.
Thank you for having me.
This is such a pleasure to be here.
oh

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and the scripture for today is uh Psalm 139 verse 16 and it's probably one that's veryfamiliar to you.
It says, saw who you created me to be before I became me, before I'd ever seen the lightof day, the number of days you planned for me were already.
recorded in your book.

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And the Lord reminded me of this scripture when I was planning for today's show, Rachel,because this is clearly something you've recognized is true.
And as I kind of meditated on that, it occurred to me that probably this is something youhad to recognize and take on for yourself before you could recognize it um for others and
for, you know, the fact that the Lord created all of us in his image.

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First, we have to understand that we were created in his image.
I.
personally in my personal life.
uh My mom had me when she was uh a senior in high school and I was in unplanned pregnancyand she uh chose life, she chose to parent me and we're best friends today, you know?

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And so, you we would have both messed out on an incredible relationship if there wasanother option, right, for her.
amazing.
so what a beautiful story.
mean, I have six awesome kids.
I have an amazing husband and I love life to the fullest and my mom's my best friend.
And, you know, I don't, I try to not make fun of my brothers.

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You know, she had a few more afterwards, but maybe I am her favorite, you know?
mean, anyways, so that's just how it's played out in my precious life.
And just also knowing that every life.
has infinite worth, infinite value in the father's eyes, are created in his image.

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But also like, you you hear this darkness from the other side that says, um and I've heardthis over and over and over again, it would be better if, you know, for those children to
not live, if they're gonna live in poverty or if they're going to live with a not soperfect life.
And that is such a lie.

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I mean, I grew up in...
We didn't have a bunch of stuff, but we had each other, you know, and life was great.
I wouldn't have known anything else.
And, you know, we, we on purpose don't give our kids a lot of stuff because there's moreto life than stuff, right?
There's relationships really are the number one thing in life.
And that's our relationship with the father and our relationship with each other.

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And so you can't value people's lives on their so-called success.
You value people that they're creating in the image of our father.
Well, how did you get your start in this space?
Because I think it's maybe I read that you started at pregnancy centers with yourgrandmother.

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grandmother.
Yeah, well, actually my grandmother took me to she not only led me to the Lord, but I wasvolunteering in pregnancy centers when I was 11, you know, folding diapers, you know, and
so just to tell you how old I am, I was I was born a year after Roe versus Wade was.
So totally could have been aborted.

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Wasn't awesome.
Great, incredible life.
So yeah, I jumped in.
One of the things I got started after I had a few of my babies, I got married, married anawesome man.
And I loved ministry.
I loved everything about ministry.
It just is a core fiber of who I am.

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And then, um you know, I had my sweet little ones and I was dealing with some postpartum,you know.
And um a dear friend said, you know, sometimes it's just good to get out and do things,you know?
m All I ever wanted to be was a mama.
And I just got out and started helping other women who were struggling, m not only withunplanned pregnancies, but just parenthood and life and marriage and just sowing into

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others gave me so much life.
You know, one of my favorite quotes is m from Susan B.
Anthony.
And she says, it goes something like this.
It goes, know,
There's no greater joy I have in my life than raising my kids.
But in helping another mother not have the value of motherhood stolen away from her bysociety, now that's where it's at.

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You know, it's really being able to wrap around another mother and letting her see hervalue as a mother and the value of her children.
That just, that gave me so much strength and energy and passion.
oh
I loved it.
So I went on to have a few more kids and then also started some pregnancy centers in myarea.
I love starting pregnancy centers.

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I love emboldening others.
That's actually probably the only.
major spiritual gift that I'm any good at is emboldening others to do good, exhortation,you know?
I love to embolden others to get involved in people's lives, to get muddy, to get dirty,to get down.
Like Jesus went after that little lamb that left.
I love to embolden others to get down in the mud and lift him up, because it is.

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Life is muddy.
Life is yucky and it's hard sometimes.
But as believers in Christ, we also have to mimic him.
And he went into the mud and pulled that little
lamb out and brought her back to the fold.
And so that is, uh man, that is just the passion of my life is to just embolden each otherto do good for the Father and, you know, make heaven very, very uh

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Popular.
And populated.
And populated.
That's probably the word I was looking for.
uh Very populated.
To populate heaven, yeah, that's really where it's at.
And I think, em you know, oh I started...
m
probably over 15 centers and mentored centers in my area.
And what we saw in the seven clinics that I was running, I just love to start centers andhand them off to the neighborhoods.

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You know, that's great, go get it.
But then I was running about seven myself.
And what we saw across our precious little state is we saw 50 % reduction in abortion inour state because, no, no, I'm in Iowa.
you're not.
Yeah, and so um what we saw was we were actually had our nurses answering the phone 24seven.

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So this is before texting.
So I'm gonna tell you really how old I am.
So we'd be answering the phone 24 seven.
being there in the middle of the night for that college student who was wondering, becauseyou know women don't sleep when we have something going on in our heart.
And so it was just, put it deep on my heart to be available 24 seven for these preciouswomen.
And we just ran our, know, 15 nurses around the clock across the state focused on thosecollege campuses right there where those young women were, was very intentional in what we

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were doing, you know, and we didn't spend a lot of money.
I mean, we didn't spend in,
perspective of things.
didn't spend a lot, but boy was it effective and it was incredible.
So that went on.
I actually left to go run another program for a little bit.
And what was really remarkable, Danielle, is the people I handed that off to decided thatthe 24-7 nurse on call wasn't effective.

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And they shut it down.
And what we saw was in a year's time when these stats came out, it broke my heart, butwhen in a year's time, abortion went up 26 % in one year because there was no one
available 24-7 in that state.
And so after I hit the floor, because I felt like that was on my shoulders, right?

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We're a small state, but it was 2,500 babies.
lives and mothers, you know, hurting from the pain of abortion for the rest of their life,right?
And so 2,500 were on my shoulder because I had left that organization to go do somethingelse and left it in the wrong hands.

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I, after I got up off the floor, the Lord just very gently told me, those are mine.
Those are in my arms, not on your shoulders.
And then he said, now,
get up and take it to the rest of country.
So I sat for a bit and waited on the Lord on how that would happen.

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I didn't know how that would happen.
I didn't have a ton of funds.
I didn't have a ton of influence.
I just was, you know, just a stay at home mama.
And um
And then I got a call from Brandon Monahan from Heritage House.
I was writing some copy for him.
I was still kind of running the little ministry that we had left here, trying to rebuildit.

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he just asked me my testimony.
Should I share the good, the bad, the ugly?
And then he said, well, guess what?
I'm getting ready to start a 20.
Well, it was actually at that time not a 24 seven.
It was just a
it programmed to be able to help centers answer chats because the centers couldn't answerall the chats they had.

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And so he said, and you know, normally the Holy Spirit doesn't speak to me like this, buthe said to hire you for this position.
he didn't even know my resume.
And anyways, it was really sweet.
So he hired me on the spot.
I actually told him I'd get back to him in 24 hours and I got back to him and I said, hey,I'll do this if I can do it with nurses because nurses are the most trusted profession.

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in the last 30 years, they are who a young woman wants to talk to when she's in the middleof the abortion decision.
She actually doesn't want to research, she doesn't want to talk to an abortionist, shedoesn't want to talk to an option counselor, she wants to talk to a medical professional
because she has been told, I mean actually this generation has been told that uh abortionis healthcare, right?

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So she has been told that uh she needs to talk to medical
professional, but yet as the pro-life movement, we are not giving her a medicalprofessional.
So I said, I'll do it if I can do it with a nurse and if I can do it 24 seven.
And his reaction was, sure, that's great.
But you know, it's going to cost a whole lot more and you're to have to raise a whole lotmore money.
I'm like, yep, we're going to have to do a whole lot more because if we have the nurses onand on board.

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So we jumped in and we had some, you know, our little business plan and we were goinggangsters and he built the platform, Hope Sync.
And so we
or we're working off that platform which is ingenious.
It's so great because the pregnancy centers get to see the whole conversation.
We partner with them.
They put this beautiful little widget on their website.

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And this widget says on there, it's a little pop up and it says, have questions aboutabortions?
Wanna chat with the nurse?
We're here for you 24 seven.
And what happens is when that Gen Z comes to that website, it's kind of crazy because if aGen Z or even
You know, I like to say I identify as a Gen Z because I have no patients.

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But when a Gen Z comes to the website and they can't interact with you immediately, 70 %of the time they will go to your competition.
So being available immediately is really critical and very critical in the point that yourcompetition is Planned Parenthood.
The non-binary chat bot, Charlie, who will ship them an abortion pill.

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And also in many states right now, they are also, they've started in the last year havingtelehealth with nurses 24 seven also.
But what's really amazing is that, so we're there, right?
We can be there.
We can be immediately there when she is thinking about ordering that abortion pill, ormaybe she already has, right?

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Or maybe she's already taken one of them, and then we can help her with reversal.
Whatever it is, we can be there.
So we can be in direct competition with Planned Parenthood.
And this is incredible.
I mean, never before in my...
whole career of the last 20 years of doing pro-life ministry have I felt like we haveeverything we need to push back, right?

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Like we can really incorporate some really, I felt like I've always been behind the eightball, you know, like I'm always running catch up with Planned Parenthood, but now we are
moving it forward.
So anyways, it's super exciting.
So we started that business plan.
The business plan was great.
But immediately out of the gate, uh was three times more successful than we thought itwould be.

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Meaning we were reaching three times more the women than we thought we would.
Incredible, incredible.
Right now, it's uh amazing what we're seeing.
uh I mean, you talked about those 2000 uh women or 2500 women a month that we're saving uhfrom abortion.

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Right, and those sweet babies, those lives.
But I just ran the stats from last month.
So your stats are from the month before.
This is how fast we're going.
Going right now, it's a thousand a week.
Yeah, right.
And that's how fast we're growing and how incredible it is.
And so it's unreal because this is where those girls are at.

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They're right there on their phones and we've got to be where they're at.
If we're not where they're at, then we are not loving them well.
Right.
So it's like, if it, yeah, I don't know about you, Danielle, but I've heard all these,this kind of garbage talk.
Well, the Gen Z is, you know, there, there's almost this worthless talk.

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that they're a worthless generation.
You hear that?
And I was starting to hear that at my center, you know, when I was there.
And I noticed that we weren't seeing the Gen Z come in the door like we were themillennials and we needed to make a change.
And so that's where this came out of, right?
We had to love them well.
So I just dug into who the Gen Z was and researching who they are, what does God have forthem?

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And you know what?
They're so precious.
They have so much revival in their heart.
God has such an incredible plan for them.
There's a reason there is Z.
They're at the end of the road here, you know, and God has a plan for them.
And it is a travesty if we claim anything else.

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Right.
You know, and so we have got to step in to their lives where they're at.
Yes, they spend 16 hours a day on their phone.
might be a waste of time.
Actually, they spend 16 hours just texting.
They spend six hours.
I know, I know.
Don't you get weary of texting?
I do too.
Maybe I do.
And I run a texting ministry.

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But, and then they spend six hours of watching two minute videos every day.
That's where they get their news.
That's where they get their education.
That's, that's how they communicate is literally their love language.
But if we are not there speaking their love language,
As the body of Christ, we are writing them off and I refuse to do that.

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I refuse to do that.
We need to be there where they're at in the middle of night when they can't sleep and theyhave that abortion pill sitting on their nightstand and they have no instructions that
came through the mail because they ordered it through the mail.
No instructions come.
They don't know what to do and they're Googling what to do.
And then guess what?
Or they're on TikTok trying to figure out or they're, you know, they find the website ofthe Pregnancy Center.

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We have that little widget there.
They actually engage with us.
We create three times more engagement on the Pregnancy Center's website by having thisthere, by providing this service.
It's incredible.
And then we're able to just love them gently and encourage them, embolden them to go tothe Pregnancy Center, get an ultrasound for their health to see what's really going on.

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Don't take those, you may not need to even take those pills.
You may not even be pregnant because you know how many women just miss their period.
Right now it's incredible what the other side is doing to try to sell more abortion pillsand that is they're telling girls, it's just a missed period pill, just take it every time
you miss your period.
You don't even need to take a pregnancy test.

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It's so sick.
It's such on a sick level.
oh
Are you seeing that um the church is waking up?
You know, um it seems like for the last number of years, the church has kind of retreatedto the four walls.

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And now I think we're seeing people wake up and realize at least since 2020, maybe beforethat, that
It's time to take action that if we're not where, if we're not in the marketplace, ifwe're not where the crisis is, if we're not where the questions are, then someone will
fill the gap.
And that's, think that's what we're, you know, we, that's the reality that we're livingin, the consequences we're living in is that we have ceded territory that the church

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needed to be in.
Absolutely, I think infinite worth in what we've been doing the last couple of years.
I mean, we've only been doing this for about two and a half years.
Really.
I think that is a testament to what you just said.
I mean, it's a testament to us getting outside of those four walls and stepping in andasking the Lord, where do you have us for this next generation?

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Where do you have us to love well and to share the gospel of Jesus Christ in action,right?
And how have you operated in this space?
Because you've been operating against the grain of culture and that's not easy.
Especially the last couple of years it may have gotten a little easier because we'restarting to feel a pendulum shift.

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But I'm not certain.
I lived in DC for a long time with people who had a very different point of view amongstpeople who had a very different point of view.
uh
It was not an acceptable thing to say that women should not have an abortion.
was not, you know, and if you think about culture, what is it, politics is downstream fromculture.

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And so the culture has been telling us, like you said, that this is healthcare, that womendeserve as many rights as men, and this is a right that you have or something, instead of
the fact that the Lord entrusted with women the responsibility.
to take care of babies, not to dispose of them.
I said that.

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Absolutely.
You know, I think as you go counterculture, you have to, you have to do without sometimes,you know, you have to do without supporting your family.
Sometimes you have to do without the support of your neighbors or your community to saythat we've sacrificed over the last 20 years.

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It is accurate.
You know, we've sacrificed a lot of things.
m We found out early that our kids can go to um public schools because they would betargeted because their mother is a little too outspoken.
uh You know, uh we also.

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Have to.
um You know, create times for us to rest.
because we're always in a battle it feels like.
There's always something to battle, especially in the community that my husband and I livein.
We live in the place where we were born, which is, they call it the liberal oasis of theMidwest.
It's a little college town in Iowa City, so it's a little college town.

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It's a beautiful place actually.
There are days though when, and just recently, I was asking the Lord to give me a loveback for the city.
and for the loss there because my heart had grown a little callous because I fought somany battles there.
And he just reignited that in my heart that the strongholds in that city are not biggerthan he is.

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I was literally sitting at a little revival we were having.
ah My daughter wanted to go to and I was sitting there on the floor of oh the bigbasketball arena and the Lord just said, this establishment is...
They are peons compared to him.
mean, you know, and so anyways, you just have to keep your heart and perspective and knowthat he's bigger than the battle and he's already won the battle.

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And I do think that how we fight this and fight it well is not only do we love peoplewell, but we bring the truth in love, right?
And that's what we do in the Pregnancy Center Movement.
And it is really, uh we're just loving women well.
We're not lying to them, we're actually providing the truth.
The other side says horrible things, but you just keep going and uh you show them theultrasound of their baby.

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Really what's happening inside of their womb.
They get to see what is happening inside of their womb and it is beautiful.
Over 90 % will choose to carry that baby who were abortion determined if they see what ishappening in their womb.
And that's what we get to do in Infinite Worth.
get to love these girls in their homes, in their bedrooms.
As they're thinking of taking this abortion pill, we encourage them and educate them onthe reason to go to the pregnancy center and have an ultrasound.

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It's important to do that.
You need to know if you're really pregnant.
You also need to know how far along you are.
Because if you're past 10 weeks and you take that abortion pill, you could be putting yourlife in danger.
oh And they're just being told to take it will nilly without even having any medical examor anything, which is totally in my book.
I mean, I can go on writing and say this.
That is male practice in my mind.

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um I don't think any doctor should be able to do something like that at that level um to awoman.
And so there's obviously dark agendas here.
These are, you know, nefarious activities happening in our country and we have to stand upas a church.
There's two ways to do it.
You got to stand up politically and then you also have to stand up by...

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meeting women's needs and loving them well when they find themselves in that situation.
We cannot not be the answer because we have all the answers, right?
Because Christ is in us, we have all the answers and we need to be there for her.
And so that's actually where I feel, you know, the rubber meets the road because exactlyof what you just said, Danielle, politics is downhill of culture, right?

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And so we, if we're going to change,
Politics the most effective way to do that is to change the culture and bring culture lifeAnd I've always said for every girl that walks into a pregnancy center Who is pro choice
when she walks in there?
sees her baby on that ultrasound machine and she chooses life.
She walks out of that building pro-life and So if we want to build that that's how it'sdone

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That's amazing.
one thing the Lord's been dealing with me about over the last couple of years is just thatthe truth resonates in people's hearts.
And so we don't have to be afraid to say the thing that is opposite of what the world issaying because people receive the truth.
It resonates in their hearts and they don't need an outside explanation for whether it'strue or not.

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Their heart tells them.
You're so right.
We just have to bring the truth.
We have to oh be willing to stand up and bring the truth and be willing to be mocked alittle bit.
Because you're going to be, you know?
You're not going to be the most popular kid on the block.

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And you might get, you know, someone might put a bag of dog poop on your doorstep.
Someone might be naughty to your buildings.
Someone...
of my write horrible articles about you, um honestly to die is to gain.
To die to ourself is to gain every day.

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And so we have to expect that because the truth, what you said, Danielle is the truth isso powerful once it's told, but we can't come to faith without hearing, right?
That is the whole thing.
We've got to open our mouths and we've got to bring the truth and the gospel of JesusChrist.
And then
others will hear, but if no one is, if no one is proclaiming the truth, then they're notgoing to come to the Lord.

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So really the fact that we're in this quagmire that we're in right now with so many youngwomen choosing death over life is because there's not enough harvesters out there speaking
the truth.
Yeah.
And as you are, you said the infinite worth has only been in existence for two years, butyou've been in this ministry for a while.

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What did the overturning of Roe versus Wade with the Dops decision in 2022 mean for thisspace?
Have you seen an opening and an openness that maybe wasn't there before or?
greater antagonism.
mean, you said buildings have been attacked and you've personally been attacked.

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Yeah, they're, um, yes and yes.
It really is.
It really is.
It created more angst in the culture.
ah It also, I'll be honest with you, I hit my knees when it passed.
I was totally excited.
I agree that our country needs to stand for life on every level.

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I think that we've got to have laws that protect the innocent unborn.
I think that was the founding father's design.
I mean, there's proof that shows that.
And we have to walk in that and stand.
and I believe it 100 percent, but I knew at that moment that our country was not ready forthe backlash of that.

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And the backlash meaning the abortion pill.
You see, in our state, we were actually the test plot for abortion pills.
So Planned Parenthood of the Heartland tested it on Iowa and tested telehealth abortion 15years ago in our state and they were able to get things passed in our state.
Their whole goal was if they could make it okay in Iowa, the Heartland, it would go flyingcolors the rest of the country.

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Unfortunately, I fought it and fought it and fought it and fought it and we did hold itback a bit, but it did unleash on the rest of the country and what pushed it forward was
the reversal of Roe vs.
Whip.
was that Dobbs decision.
So because of uh that now what's happened is we have this influx coming into red states.

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So states that have, you you can't get an abortion pill in the state, but they're shippingit across state lines.
They're shipping it from India and China.
It's coming into these states and we are seeing girls um
who shouldn't be taking this pill medically, taking this pill, who are being injured andhurt.

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um Just Texas, Tennessee, Tennessee, their abortions went up by 5,000 ah because of this.
But the thing is, is we don't even know if they're really abortions because they'retelling the girls on TikTok, hey, don't tell anyone in your state you're pregnant.
Don't even take a pregnancy test.
Just take the, the propaganda is unreal.

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Just take the pill.
if you've missed your period and then you don't even have to live with the guilt of theabortion because you don't even know if you're really pregnant.
So we don't even know if those girls that are taking those abortion pills are pregnant andthe research does not show what that does long term to these precious girls.
And I know what happens is also, so what this abortion pill does is it blocks progesteronefor about five months.

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So we literally have these girls who are not cycling for months.
Some of them are taking
That's a travesty, right?
They're taking it again and again.
Who knows what it's gonna do to their precious little bodies down the road.
So there's just so much darkness in here.
So that's what it unleashed, unfortunately.
We now have a crisis of abortions happening inside of a woman's bathroom, in her home, inher bedroom right now because of that.

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I'm not.
Again, I am not against that.
We needed that over to we need to stand as a country for life on the books on the laws Butnow we actually have to go out and rescue these girls We got to go rescue these girls
because here's the other thing Danielle and this is gonna get kind of graphic so you cantell me to back off if you want me to but
Now go for it.

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um There's a huge, huge travesty that is going on.
These young girls take these abortion pills.
They're having these abortions alone.
They're not telling anyone.
They're not telling their parents.
They're not telling the father of the baby.
They're not telling their best friends.
They're just at home alone doing this abortion because TikTok is telling them they havethe power and they can do it all alone.

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um
not only telling them how much blood loss is too much, they're not telling them whatthey're going to see, the cramps they're gonna have, how long they're gonna bleed, they're
not telling them that this is actually labor.
Anytime a woman gets pregnant, to actually end that pregnancy, you go through labor.
Whether that's at nine months and the baby is full term or whether that is early.

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You still have to walk through that.
And labor is intense and no woman should have to do it alone.
I truly believe God did not design that that way.
But here's the thing that's really hurting these young girls now.
And we have a mental health crisis on our hands because not only, like you said earlier,Danielle, are women designed to care for lives, not take lives.

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They're also designed when they give birth, their body is flooded with a gesturalmovement.
or excuse me, oxytocin and potassium, but oxytocin, you know that beautiful hormone thatfloods your system when you have that baby and that oxytocin sits in and you're like, my
gosh, she's beautiful, you know, and you just want to hold and love and love.

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That also sets in with this woman.
And guess what she sees in her toilet?
She sees her baby in the toilet and then she's forced to flush that baby down the toilet.
oh
I have girls coming in that say, Rachel, I couldn't flush it.
I have it in my freezer.
What do I do?
We have a huge influx.

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No one is admitting this and no one is talking about this.
And I hate to be, but this is just what God has called me to do.
Is that our psych wards are full of women who are in such crisis because they don't knowhow to mentally handle the fact that what they just did.
And no one is standing in the gap.

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No one is saying, hey sweetheart, let's go check out the ultrasounds and let's go seewhat's really going inside of your room.
And let's talk about what will happen when you take that abortion pill.
What is the actual procedures of taking that abortion pill?
One of the things we're developing right now, and we just got a 400,000 other grant to dothis.
And it's so excited partnering with a beautiful foundation to do this, is we're providingcare kits for women who have either taken the pill or are you taking the pill?

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and they're going to be in the next couple of days doing this abortion alone.
Our goal with this is to really show girls this is what you're going to go through.
Don't take that pill, right?
That's a first step because it's a tool to help her not take it.
But in this kit, it shows her the blood loss, how to track it.
It has a colander and a catch.
It has a vessel for the baby.

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We're connecting with churches and funeral homes all over the country where we are goingto be setting up services for these girls so that they can bury this baby because there's
a travesty that happens within that whole thing of flushing.
That is not what God intended for us to do.
So we are setting up this beautiful program where we can wrap around these girls whereit's too late.

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Now the cool thing is, is maybe it's not too late and we can do abortion reversal.
Have you ever heard of that?
Have you heard of abortion reversal?
Yeah.
So abortion reversal is once they've taken the first pill of the abortion pill, if we'reable to catch them and we catch them, we catch dozens, especially on the weekends, we
catch dozens on the chat chat line that were in the middle of and they're like, Hey, ah Idecided that I don't want to go forward with this portion.

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And actually technically Danielle, the,
The statistics are that 80 % of women, the minute they take that pill, regret it.
So we have this huge opportunity to step in the middle of this.
If she can um take what's called uh progesterone, she'll take a progesterone dosage in themiddle of that.

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So really there's a two-step process for the abortion pill.
I don't want to get too technical, but the first pill creates and blocks that uhprogesterone.
And if we can flood her system with progesterone, guess what?
That pregnancy can be saved and there's no harm to the baby because all it does is shutdown and cause a little fatigue in shutting down um the placenta, right?

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And so if we can stop that and this placenta can heal, then the pregnancy is perfect.
The pregnancy, it just will be saved and be perfect.
But we have to catch it, especially within 48,
hours you know 24 to 48 hours we can catch it sometimes 72 hours we can reverse thatabortion so this is where the rubber meets the road we can really step in the middle get

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in the mud with these precious girls help pull them out love them well and and helpreverse this decision that they regret
And it's super incredible to be able to do that.
So we partner with the APR network from heartbeat.
We do some beautiful things with them.
There's physicians all over the country.
If there's any physicians listening right now and you want to get involved, um just go tothe APR hotline and check it out and get involved and talk to the team there.

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know Dr.
William Lyle, who's the pro-life doctor.
prolife.com doctor.
He is incredible and he would love to mentor you.
So if anybody out there is listening to this and you want to be involved in this part ofthe ministry because we need more.
are actually, what we have done just with our organization in the last two years hasincreased um the...

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reversals in our country so much that there we're running out of doctors to help.
Like we're running out of bandwidth in that.
So we have such a need if there's any physicians out there that want to be involved youcan go check.
That's amazing.
And Rachel, you talked a couple of times about TikTok.
Is there an aspect of your ministry?

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Is there a presence of your organization on TikTok?
And how are y'all connecting with these women outside of the actual crisis um centerwebsites?
Yeah, so we do have some national sites that are going on that are being promotednationally and those are doing really well.
And we're going to be launching some more.

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We are partnering with some different marketing companies who are playing with someTikTok, Instagram marketing.
We're pressing into that right now, though I'm a little hesitant.
We want to press heavy into TikTok.
That's on our chart for some of our national pages, but we are so busy right now.
I actually have to have I have to hire more nurses.
I need to hire, I would probably have to hire another flight of nurses, which is aboutseven nurses to be able to handle the flow that we would get when we launch that TikTok

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campaign.
um So yeah, my team, uh my expansion team is like, when are we gonna get to do this,Rachel?
And then my nursing team is like, we need help if you're gonna do that, Rachel.
So, because right now our nurses are super busy.
They're just super busy.
They're um chatting with a dozen women an hour and are abortion determined right now.

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That's a lot.
That's a lot.
And they are, that's about all they can handle.
And we're hoping to bring that bandwidth down by raising funds so that we can have a niceum steady flow.
And then also we can add more centers and add more websites and reaching deeper intoInstagram and then reaching heavy into TikTok.

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I don't think there's a state healthy.
Oh, you know, it is.
um
We have an incredible, incredible team.
My nurse manager, Brittany Gilchrist, she is incredible.
I have an HR person straight out of heaven.
And together, we just love them.

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one step at a time.
We just had a beautiful organization wrap around us and want to send our team on abeautiful retreat just to have them have space and love and walk through that.
The one thing that we talk about day in and day out is really this.
m We are seed planters and you can't have a harvest if you don't have somebody plantingseeds, right?

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But we're not the ones that um
that are doing the harvesting, that are doing the watering and the weeding.
We're just planting those seeds of truth into these girls, encouraging them to go to thePregnancy Center, asking them, and asking good questions to help them walk around their
issue, and then also answering their questions, right?

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And providing truth.
And so we don't know what the fruit will be, right?
The fruit is in heaven.
And so we don't even know, but we know that our job right now
is to plant seeds and the more seeds that we can scatter and plant in truth, the better.
And so that's what we focus on.
Cause there's a lot of these girls that we're going through that we're, our hearts arebreaking like, she didn't call us back or she didn't get back with us.

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You know, what's going on.
We could really hyper dwell on that and, and almost lose our sanity, right?
But if we look at it from the standpoint of we're planting seeds, you know, okay, maybeshe did go ahead and go ahead with that abortion, but.
She knows where to come when she needs healing because we left that door open.

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She knows who cares for her.
em Maybe she did the APR reversal and it didn't work.
But she knows we love her and we are willing to fight for her.
So when life gets hard, she'll come back to us, right?
And so we just keep planting seeds over and over, Danielle, and just keep that focus onthe seed, on the seed, on the seed, on the seed, and just lay it at the feet of the Lord.

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So that's how we keep our sanity with 12 an hour.
kidding.
Well, you know, I think back to the early 2000s, there was um a strong push in theChristian community, especially um in the 20 somethings that for anti abortion.
um But in some places, it was done in a very negative antagonistic way, right?

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Like, probably it was coming from a heart of righteous anger, but the execution of themessaging.
was really um missing the mark.
you seen that change and how have you had to come up against that?
Because you're coming from a place of love, of loving the woman first.

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I can see that, that you care about the outcome for the woman um as well, obviously, asthe outcome of the baby.
And I think that's been a huge criticism in conservative circles, in Christian circles.
And I think the criticism is probably well placed that women um have taken the backseat tothis baby in terms of the focus.

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Well, my heart from the beginning has always been for the mother.
It's always for the mother.
And that's really the heartbeat of the Pregnancy Center movement is we know, we know thatwe can't get to that baby in our country if we don't go through her mother.
But you also, you have to love her well so that she knows her value before she can see thevalue of the life inside of her womb.

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You won't be doing any good if you don't love her well.
You know, and I have come under sharp criticism from some of those people you were talkingabout.
um Actually had terrible hate letters and articles written about me about how all I do iscare about the mother and I think that's interesting.
I'm like, yeah, it's great.

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That's exactly what I'm going for here.
But it's not that I don't care for the baby.
I care deeply for those babies.
That is everything.
But we have got to have her see.
her values so she can value that life.
There's no, she's, it's just, there's no other way around it.
You don't, you don't get a pro-life anything unless she knows who loves her, right?

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You know, and so anyways, I have come under deep criticism.
em
from that and really just people saying, know, you know, the baby is the most importantthing and we've got to be able to, you know, tell these women that they're murderers and
that they're, I, I, it's not that I don't agree that the babies are the most importantthing.

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It's that I truly believe the best path is the path that Christ set for us, right?
Like go back to the word and take the path that he told you to take, which is to love,right?
It's just as simple as that.
If I'm going to do something effective for the kingdom of God, I'm going to make sure thatI'm doing it in the way He wants me to do it.

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Don't see hate.
I do know that Jesus chained, you know, went in and turned over the tables and made awhip.
I do know that.
And there's a place for righteous anger.
I get that.
But we've got to show these precious ones love first.
oh
for righteous anger is not in crisis.

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No, no, it's not.
When someone's at an emotional crater, I don't think that's the time to pile on.
No, and you look at the you look at the woman at the well.
You look at the woman who was being, you know, thrown before his feet and being threatenedto be stoned to death, woman caught in adultery.

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I mean, I do not.
That's not who I see her father as I see her father standing.
Well.
And the woman at the well was one of the first preachers for crying out loud.
He entrusted her with the truth that he is the living water.
I mean, wow, his grace covers all a multitude, a multitude of sin and then we have tostand in that.

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Yeah.
You have also been operational in times of natural disaster and large scale crisis as anorganization.
Can you talk a little bit about that?
saw that maybe you went into California during the fires and some other places duringflooding to reach these women when maybe their centers were closed down.

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So we partnered with Save the Storks and put our chat line on their For Every Woman pagejust to be available at that time for the women who might be experiencing em a pregnancy
that they needed extra support for or if what we see nationally and with abortion rates iswhen there is a crisis, abortion goes up.

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So it was just good to be there.
so partnering with Save the Storks in that was huge.
And it's good to be there, because what will happen is a young woman, will, you know,maybe she's like, oh gosh, I just found out I have an unplanned pregnancy and now I just
lost my home.
I better run real quick and get the abortion pill.
Like literally, it's that.
And she just needs someone to stand in the gap to, or maybe just someone to talk to, walkher through, find her the resources she needs.

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you know, women are more likely to have that abortion when they don't have that nest,right?
Because we're created to have that nest and how important that is.
And so really, resources are an issue, you know, or lack of resources or crisis.
So we always say that a uh girl, a vulnerable girl who is single, who doesn't have aspouse, who doesn't have someone to help bear the financial load, she's like one popped

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tire.
um
next to abortion, right?
Like really it depends on her.
If she can't pay the rent, if she has to choose between paying the rent and getting thetire, you know, wow, you would think she wouldn't be able to find that money for abortion,
but you can get an abortion out of Massachusetts for $5.
They'll ship it right to your door.
So, you know, it's like really, it really is that there's that crisis in there that weneed to step into as, as the body of Christ.

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We need to figure out what it is quickly her needs are and then meet their needs becauseyou can't, um,
She can't hear you love her and that she's valuable and that the life in her womb isvaluable until why she's starving or why she can't pay her rent, right?
You've got to meet that need.
And so that's critical.

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And that's important.
And we see that all the time in any kind of crisis.
You'll see abortion rates go up.
We also saw it during COVID, extremely high, like heartbreaking high during COVID.
uh
unreal with a little economic downturn, abortion goes up.
um I've had a young couple sit in front of me and say, you know, we don't have thefinances right now to have a baby.

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God will forgive us.
A young Christian couple, God will forgive us.
We don't have the finances right now, so we're going to go ahead with this abortion.
it finances and fear.
always say it's fear.
So COVID, when COVID hit the ground running, right, it was fear based.
Everything created in our culture went to a high level of fear.

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And guess what fear does?
Fear creates death.
And so women were walking in so much fear, the abortion rate just went.
Have you seen any connection to the border crisis um with your centers?
Has there been any um engagement there?
I don't know.

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I mean, a lot of the women that probably were crossing the border um illegally uh werebeing trafficked or came across um are not necessarily prone to
you know, inclined to abortions, I would think a lot of them probably don't come frombackgrounds that endorse that.
But I was just wondering if that had any, um if you saw anything with relation to that.

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Yeah, those are some good questions.
uh I don't think directly.
What we've seen is uh we will see girls and be talking and chatting with girls on the chatline who are in trafficking and don't even know they're being trafficked.
And then we'll help them walk through that and get out of that.

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And then some who do know that they're being trafficked.
And then uh one thing that's been really devastating is uh
In Texas we've seen this, we've seen this in Florida oh where girls will order the pills.
They'll be from a culture that's Spanish speaking that doesn't promote abortion anddoesn't want abortion, but they don't want to tell their family because they don't want

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that shame.
And so because these pills are so accessible, they don't have to tell their parents to getthem or tell anyone to get to the abortion clinic.
They just have to order them and they come to them.
But what happens is it's actually the Cytotec only abortion how we've seen this becausethey'll ship it into Texas because the first pill is illegal but Cytotec isn't and that's

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the second pill that causes the baby to be extracted.
um They'll send 14 of those pills to a young girl in...
Texas or Florida who only speaks Spanish, she won't be able to read the instructions.
So she'll take all 14 at once when in reality the instructions say to take three everythree to four hours until you see the baby pass.

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But instead they take it all together and that will take a young girl's life.
And so we've seen that and that is just a
It's just terrible.
It's just horrible.
We do need to be moving fast on having restrictions.

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And actually we were hopeful that there would be some restrictions coming, but we haven'tseen anything yet.
So you're hoping for restrictions at the national level from like the FDA, CDC.
yeah, just saying that this is not good for women.
Actually, there's a researcher just came out of Canada not too long ago that says thatit's 20 times more damaging to women than first thought.

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Can you explain that?
it?
Yeah, so um it's mentally damaging, physically damaging to women than they first said.
They first said, you know, oh, 11 % of women are having adverse effects from the abortionpill.
In Canada, there was just research that came out that it was 20 times more damaging thanthey first originally thought.

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Of course, still, so we need to be sounding that from the, you know, from themountaintops, right?
um
But there does need to be some action taken, I think, at a federal level to get to somecontrol of this because it is damaging to women.
um I'm, you know, obviously what I do is loving women where they're at and talking themout of doing that.
But we need some restrictions on shipping this thing through the mail.

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Because really, there's no, there's no prescription for it.
They're not meeting with a doctor.
They're not, there's nothing.
I mean, honestly, my new director at our center here,
He's a 45 year old man and they shipped him the pills.
Five bucks.

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you seeing any traction with laws at the state level?
I mean, are they working?
So the state levels and the red states that have restrictions uh are important.
Again, it goes back to that thing we need to have it, that our states do not supportabortion.

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We need to have that in law, that our government does not do that.
But are they working?
Probably not.
What we're seeing is it's harder.
Those girls have more urgency because of those TikTok campaigns I shared with you.
There's more urgency and so...
if there's a six week ban, she's more likely to take those pills without getting anultrasound.
And those pills she ordered out of Massachusetts or China or India.

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So she'll um be more quick to do that because of the propaganda that's telling her that.
And it's easier for us to get appointments into pregnancy centers in blue states becausethey have all this time in the world.
The restrictions are...
you know, up until the birth of the baby, which is horrible.
All of it's horrible.

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It's literally, I can't tell you what I think the perfect world is here.
I'm just trying to function and save as many lives and love women in the world that we'rein today, right?
Like I wish that we were not allowed to ship abortion pills in the mail.
That would be number one.
ah But then also then, but what this is forcing us to do.

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This is forcing us to reach women where they're at and love them where they're at and getthem truth and answers.
And so how horrible it is that they ship this pill.
is, God has turned it for good for those who love him and are called according to hispurpose.
We are literally pushing more into getting the truth out to women than we would be if theyweren't able to access this pill.

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So it is kind of forcing us to do our job as a Christian.
That's terrible.
I did not think that through.
It's terrible, but it's the truth, right, Danielle?
It's the truth.
That is true.
If you don't ask yourself for that, then...
talking to anyone who's not sure what their purpose is and where they fit into God's plan,how do you guide them in that?

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What advice would you give them?
How would you encourage them?
Oh goodness.
God loves you.
Just ask him.
Ask him to show him your plan.
It has been incredible.
You know, over the years I've had young women, I've had young men, I've had all kinds ofpeople argue with me, well, is God real?

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Is God real?
I'm like, does he have a plan for me?
And I'm like, hey, well, you know what?
Just ask him.
Just ask him and he'll show you.
He will show you He is real You have to just ask.
It's incredible.
And then of course you just share the gospel and maybe you teach him how to pray, how towalk through that together with them.

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And it is incredible.
I've seen the Lord just meet people where they're at over and over again.
It's always a love apologetics, right?
Like that's always a good thing.
But man, I have...
Probably because I don't like to argue very well.
I'm like, hey, why don't you just ask God?
He'll deal with it.
God shows up.

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He shows up in people's lives where we couldn't as humans.
But especially after they oh hear the gospel, the fact that they are loved by a father whodied on a cross for them, who took all their sins away, washed it all away.
And all we have to do is say, oh, I'm sorry, Father.

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and receive him as a gift, repent and receive.
So let's just humble ourselves.
Did I answer all your question?
Yeah, it's great.
And if there is a woman who's watching right now or listening later, who is in the midstof an unexpected pregnancy or um her or maybe her boyfriend or husband is listening, what

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advice would you give them?
First of all, if you're experiencing that, I just want to tell you that you are valuable.
You are loved, you're beautiful, and God has big plans for you and that wife and thatwomb.
He loves you.
And I can say that with all confidence because I know my Father and He loves you.

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He loves you.
And there's help.
There are so many people in our community, so many partners that I have, so many beautifuloh women and men of God who would love to wrap around and help you.
So you can reach out to your local pregnancy center and they will be there for you.

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Let them know what's happening, what's going on, what your needs are.
A lot of times we just need information needs.
They would love to do an ultrasound for you.
that have to wrap their arms around you and help in any way that you need.
Also, you can go to infiniteworth.org.
We do have our nurse chat on that website.

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We just have it live there to show people, but it's also been really handy for when I dothings like this.
So if you wanna talk to one of our nurses about what's going on in your life right now,especially if you're having thoughts of harming yourself, please don't do that.
talk to someone who cares about you and wants to be there for you.

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And again, you are valuable.
So reach out to us today and we'll walk right along beside you and get you the care andthe resources you need so that you can be the mother or the father that God intended you
to be.
All of us are humans.
I'm not a perfect mother.
We don't have to be perfect.
In fact, God doesn't require us to be perfect.

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He just requires us.
to want to be his.
That's all we have to do in this world.
Again, we don't have to be perfect.
God bless you and reach out.
so beautiful and if there's an organization like my local crisis pregnancy center forinstance if they're interested in getting the chat at their center is there a way for them

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to do that?
do there.
Yeah, you can just go to infiniteworth.org also.
And in there, there's a thing that says for pregnancy centers, you can get on there, fillout a form, you'll hear back from my team, we'll walk you through those steps.
um It's been incredible.
The centers we're able to work with are seeing um sometimes double the amount of abortionminded women in their centers.

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It also takes the stress off of there's nothing more I love than take stress off anotherdirector.
Directors and
Nurses at pregnancy centers are, you guys are the most amazing people in the world.
You actually make, I think that you're the salt of the earth.
do more in this country than anyone knows.
And we wanna be there to support you and help you and wrap around and extend your ministryinto the night.

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And so we love partnering with you.
So yes, please reach out.
We would love to do that.
Amazing and what are your biggest needs as an organization?
I know you said you need more nurses I've seen on your website.
You could use some prayer warriors.
What all what all do you need?
So the prayer warriors is huge when we put a prayer warrior on with one of our nurses.

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Oh It's incredible actually she it's 20 % more likelihood that that girl makes anappointment.
It's incredible oh To have someone on there praying for that girl by name We train you yougo through HIPAA compliance everything all that good stuff You go through the training
just like you're one of our employees and then you pray for two hours a week and you getto get on with the nurse and you pray for those girls by name and

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It shows that they're more likely to actually walk into the pregnancy, 20%, excuse me, 20% more likely to walk into the pregnancy center.
That is huge, guys, that's huge.
So we need prayer warriors in a massive way.
We also need supporters and donors.
We try to keep the cost of this down to the lowest we possibly can.

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We charge pregnancy centers, you know,
about $8,000 sometimes for the small ones, it's only $2,000 annually to have thisincredible around the clock nurses.
You that's unheard of.
You can't even buy a pinky toe of a nurse for that.
But it does cost us more to run that service, right?
Some centers were even, we need to raise, like right now I'm raising about $600,000 tofill um in that gap.

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So that pressure doesn't have to go on to the pregnancy centers, right?
We don't want that pressure to go on to them.
They're saving babies.
need money for their staff, for their nurses to meet the needs of the girls coming in thedoor.
And we need to take that off of their plate and to raise that money.
So right now I'm in that process.
And so for $45 a month, you can actually cover three chats.

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One of those chats being, and this is our percentage, one of those chats being a uh adetermined woman who has a pill in her hand.
And that second chat being a woman who's vulnerable, who has some really hugevulnerabilities in her life and is considering taking the pill.
and then one of those being maybe likely to carry, but um she uh has resource needs andneeds to help parenting.

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And so for $45, you would support that chat and I can guarantee that that $45 will save alife.
So that is really the needs right now.
If you want to step in the gap, help pregnancy centers, volunteer pregnancy centers.
They'll become your best friends.
I mean, I'm sure if you're having trouble with your circle of friends or you need friends,go volunteer at a pregnancy center.

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It's also healthy for you.
We need to be giving as a society and as human beings.
We have to put others first.
That's where we are the healthiest, and that's in God's word, right?
So go get them, guys.
It's been incredible to hang out with you for the last day.
Rachel, you are such a gift.
You're such an inspiration.

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I have just enjoyed talking to you.
I feel personally challenged and encouraged.
And also, you know, my heart is broken for these girls that are in crisis, um especiallyones who have really suffered severe trauma because they didn't get the counseling that
they needed.
So thank you for what you're doing.

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Thank you for standing in the gap.
Thank you for being a voice.
um for these women who need to hear truth and thank you for being someone who'semboldening the body of Christ to do what we were called to do.
And I love what you said about being sowers of seeds.
We're not responsible for the ultimate outcome.

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That's the Lord.
Our job is to do what he's called us to do, to do it faithfully, to do it relentlessly,not to be sloppy, but to do it well.
well.
So thank you for your example.
Well thank you for having me here and letting me have this opportunity to share what we'vebeen doing.

(01:06:45):
We honestly we have not put much energy in getting the word out of what we're doingbecause we've been so busy serving and and I'm like oh I gotta start getting some word out
about what we're doing so we can keep doing what we're doing.
So thank you so much sweet friend.
for this time today.
been amazing.
It has been amazing and I would love to have you back sometime.

(01:07:08):
I would love that.
Awesome.
Thank you so much, Rachel.
We will be talking soon.
bless you.

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