July 23, 2025 • 42 mins
In this episode of The SweetGeorgia Show, Felicia Lo speaks with Evie Schwartz, a multifaceted fibre artist whose path has taken her from accidental yarn making to intentional spinning and weaving. They talk about Evie’s creative evolution, her love for historical textiles, and the role of community in the fibre arts. The conversation also explores time management, the importance of preserving textile history, and how to inspire the next generation to engage with craft. Evie shares updates on her current projects, including her participation in the Tour de Fleece, and reflects on the value of approaching textile work with intention.
Takeaways
- Evie's journey in fibre arts began with crochet at age six.
- She transitioned from teaching to focusing on spinning and weaving.
- Evie's YouTube channel showcases her passion for historical textiles.
- Community engagement is vital for learning and sharing in fibre arts.
- Time management is crucial for balancing multiple crafting projects.
- Textile history is an important narrative that needs to be shared.
- Evie encourages teaching kids about the origins of their clothing.
- Tour de Fleece fosters community and creativity among spinners.
- Intentionality in choosing materials affects the final fabric outcome.
- Evie believes in the importance of diverse storytelling in fibre arts.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Welcome to the Sweet Georgia Show.
I am your host, Felicia Lowe,and joining us today is Evie
Schwartz of Jillian Eve, amultifaceted fiber artist whose
own creative evolution from sortof accidental yarn to
intentional exquisite spinningembodies the very journey of
growth and discovery that welove to explore.
I'm very excited to chat withher more about her historical
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explorations, the kind of fibersthat she uses, and her entire
journey through spinning.
Welcome to the show, Evie.
SPEAKER_00 (00:29):
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm really excited to be here.
SPEAKER_01 (00:33):
Fantastic.
So just before we startedrecording, I was asking a little
bit of a question because I'vebeen following you for a number
of years through YouTube.
I know that you started postingspinning videos many, many years
ago, and I was excited to seeanother person in sort of the
spinning world, creating contentand things like that.
But I've always known you asEvie, and I know that your
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YouTube channel is calledJillian Eve.
And I was asking, how do peoplesort of refer to you?
Because, yeah, how does that allwork?
SPEAKER_00 (01:02):
If people call me Jillian, I don't mind at all.
But the name that I usuallytypically go by is Evie, just
kind of cute, Eve, Evie.
And so what happened was when Istarted my channel, I was a
teacher and I didn't want mystudents to look me up on the
internet.
So Jillian is actually my middlename.
So it is my name, but it's mymiddle name.
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And so I spun it.
UNKNOWN (01:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:29):
So that's where Jilly and Eve came from.
But Evie is just what people inmy life call me.
SPEAKER_01 (01:37):
Fantastic.
Fantastic.
So yeah, like I said, I foundyou many, many years ago when
you started spinning.
And you'd come out withinitially some spinning videos
and things like that.
And then I've just watched overthe years how your content and
your work has really transformedand evolved into...
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Very passionate storytelling andalso very in-depth insight into
historical textiles.
I want to bring this up more alittle bit later, but I recently
watched one of your videos,which was about sort of textiles
history in America and howtariffs have sort of impacted
that.
And I know that that is a littlebit of a longer video.
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I think it was like more than anhour long video, but it was so
interesting.
Well put together and soarticulate.
And so, yeah, I want to diveinto that a little bit more.
But before we get into that, canyou tell us a little bit more
about sort of your journey, howyou got started?
Like you said, you were ateacher, you're a school teacher
before.
How did spinning come into yourlife and where has it gone now?
SPEAKER_00 (02:39):
Oh, boy.
So as you said, I ammulticultural.
craftual.
I do a lot of different crafts.
And so the story is kind ofdifferent for each one.
When I was very little, aboutmaybe six years old, my
babysitter taught me how tocrochet and I would sit on her
floor and she would watch ThePrice is Right.
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And I would have a littlecrochet hook and I would turn
balls of yarn into really longcrochet chains that's where that
started and then when I was inhigh school my grandmother
taught me how to knit and Idabbled with that for a little
bit but then once I startedhaving kids I was like I need to
make cute baby sweaters andmittens and so I really got into
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knitting and then at that time Istarted to say you know why does
this yarn feel better than thatyarn and it really exploring the
quality of the yarn.
And I sort of accidentallyfigured out that I could spin my
own yarn because I was at alocal yarn store and they had
roving in these little basketsand they had some drop spindles
and they were the very typicaldowel rod with a cup hook and a
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craft wheel.
And, you know, it works.
They're, they're great.
And that was the beginning of myspinning journey.
And that was sometime in thelate mid Sometime in the 2000s.
So I've been spinning for a longtime.
The way that all of the craftshave come together, for me, my
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biggest passion is spinning.
That's the one.
If I have nothing to do and I'mlooking around for a craft, I'm
going to the spinning wheel.
So I kind of feel like it's sortof the hub of everything I do.
And then I'm a spinner whoknits.
I'm a spinner who crochets.
I'm a spinner who weaves andeverything else.
kind of follows that.
So it all came together veryorganically, you could say.
SPEAKER_01 (04:30):
Fantastic.
Yeah, I think that we've hadvery similar journeys.
I think it's very similar kindof journey to a lot of the
people who are in our communityand things like that, who will
mention that they start with oneof the yarn arts and then
discover yarn and making theirown yarn.
And then where do you kind of gofrom that?
And I love sort of yourintentional back and forth
between like, oh, I'm going toknit with something.
So therefore I'm going to makeit this way.
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Or now I'm seeing a lot of like,you're going to weave with the
yarn.
So what are you going to bedoing with that?
Can you talk a little bit about,because I know that it's sort
of, top of mind right now, Ithink, for a lot of what you're
doing is sort of transforminghand spun yarn into hand woven
cloth.
Can you talk a little bit aboutthat background?
SPEAKER_00 (05:08):
Yeah.
So the first loom that I evergot, I mean, I did like the
little, little looms, right?
As a kid, I did the potholderthings and, you know, the little
pin looms and stuff like that.
And then there was an ad onCraigslist for a binder loom,
which is It had an overheadswing beater, very heavy, giant,
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big thing.
We named her Bertha.
And I think it's a 52-inchwidth.
And it's a jack loom, but thething clatters like you wouldn't
believe when you step on it.
It's like, so I went to go lookat this loom and I was just like
smitten as soon as I saw it.
And this was someone who wasdownsizing and she had sort of a
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barn slash garage slashworkshop.
And she had a bunch of differentlooms set up and she had a, she
had a fly loom and I was veryinterested in that, but she
would not sell that to mebecause I have small children.
And she was like, if the end ofthis breaks and that shut goes
flying.
That's their height.
And she refused.
So once I realized, I was like,Oh, okay, I understand.
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No, thank you.
But, you know, lately, I've beena little sad that I did miss
that opportunity.
But anyway, it's fine.
It wasn't meant to be someoneelse's enjoying it, I'm sure.
So I ended up with this binderloom.
And it was it was huge.
I don't know of many people whostart weaving with a loom like
that.
She asked if I had a weavingteacher and I said, no, but I
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have books.
And she was really not sureabout that.
She wanted her looms to go toplaces they'd be used and
enjoyed, of course.
And she ended up selling it tome and I got it home and put it
together.
And I just absolutely loved likeit unlocked something in my
brain and just the way that Ithink about patterns and it just
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all clicked and everything madesense.
But the very beginning of myweaving journey really was
self-taught.
So I was kind of nervous aboutsharing weaving on my channel
because I didn't want to sharebad information.
And I'm getting more confidentabout that because I have been
weaving.
I just haven't put it in videosas much as my spinning projects
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or other projects.
So the question about gettingthere, I think it's a long
question.
I think part of my lack ofconfidence in sharing that
because I don't want to sendsomeone on the bad habit path or
something like that.
I think the key is just to bereally upfront about that.
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We're going to figure this outtogether.
This may or may not be the bestway.
And then encouraging thecommunity to discuss in the
comment section or whatever.
I've learned a lot from mycommunity sharing things.
I've gotten great tips.
So I think that the whole thing,I think that perfectionism can
really get in the way.
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And especially with hand-woventextiles with hand-spawn yarns.
You have to embrace it.
There's going to be weirdchallenges that come up.
There's going to beimperfections because we're
people with hands.
We're not machines.
But it's been a journey in a lotof ways, not just the technical
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aspects of fiber art, but alsosort of like the personal
perfectionism of it.
It's been a good journey.
SPEAKER_01 (09:06):
Sometimes I'll try to preface things with, this is
what I'm doing.
This is what I'm trying.
And I did a similar thing whereI restored a fanny loom.
It was a Leclerc fanny loom.
And when I made the video aboutit, I talked about how, oh, I
was taking off the metal bitsbecause I'm not a carpenter.
I don't do woodworking things.
I'm like, oh, I'm taking thesemetal bits off and I put them in
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a plastic bag and somebody lefta comment and they're like,
That's called hardware.
I was like, oh, okay.
I didn't know that.
I'm learning too.
I'm learning all about thisstuff.
So yeah, I think just...
SPEAKER_00 (09:41):
I loved that video of yours, by the way.
Just for a second.
I have one too.
I have a fanny right over behindall those things.
Oh, yay.
Under there.
So I've been wanting to restoreher and yours was very
inspiring.
So thank you for that.
SPEAKER_01 (09:59):
Yeah, I still love that loom.
I love the finish on it.
I'm so glad I went through thatwhole process.
But man, it was definitely a lotof work.
But yeah, like I'm seeing moreand more of your hand spun being
sort of sampled, I guess, intohand woven cloth and sort of
where that's going.
What's that kind of project allabout?
Can you talk a little bit aboutthat?
SPEAKER_00 (10:20):
I have a few going on right now.
I have, I really enjoy likeViking Age stuff.
textiles, early medieval period.
There's so little that we haveand I enjoy exploring that.
So I've had that project.
I feel badly because I startedit on my channel and I haven't
finished it yet, but that's oneof them.
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And I, I have it almost ready tospin.
I have an entire Icelandicfleece that is completely
separated into tog and fell.
So that is one that will at somepoint happen.
I guess I need my confidence tokeep it going.
I have on my rigid heddle backthere that is linen.
That is commercial linen, butI've been spinning linen.
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So this is like getting the, canI do this on a rigid heddle loom
because it's linen?
Am I going to break all mywharf?
Do I need a boiling pot of waterunderneath this?
How's it going to happen?
And then I'll do it again withmy hand spun.
So it's kind of a sample, butit's going to be a very useful
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sample.
I'm going to make curtains fromit.
And so I think just gaining theexperience.
leads me into the handspun.
And the sampling is so importantbecause, I mean, it's handspun.
I don't want to be too preciouswith it that I never use it, but
it is an investment in time tohave it.
So just being a little morecareful, but not too precious, I
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think is a balance I'm alwaystrying to strike.
And I...
Yeah, I'm trying to think if Ihave other weaving projects at
the moment.
I have a few that are lined up,but they're not on a loom yet.
And I just finished one for avideo, but that's on the ankle
loom.
UNKNOWN (12:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:06):
So, I mean, like sort of observing the kind of
projects that you are making andthings like that, it's very much
like following your curiosity,like following these sort of
rabbit holes into variousplaces, right?
Like trying to weave your ownlinen cloth or trying to spin
linen and how different that isfrom trying to sort of replicate
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a historical textile from Vikingage.
That's also very different.
I'm guessing it's because maybeyou're a school teacher, but
you're very interested inhistorical textiles and sort of
the history of where thesethings came from, how spinning
and weaving developed over theages, the types of tools that we
have, all of these kinds ofthings.
I learned all of these thingsfrom you watching your videos
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and watching your content.
A lot of it is just because Ithink that your enthusiasm for
the history of it makes itreally, really engaging and
really interesting to me.
And then I'm also interested inlearning more about these things
as well.
Can you talk a little bit aboutwhere that interest comes from
for you and what you're hopingto sort of learn from that, I
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guess?
SPEAKER_00 (13:11):
Well, I'm a nerd.
That's pretty much it.
Well, truly, I think thatTextile history is such an
untold history.
And as a teacher, I'm familiarwith what curriculum we get in
our school systems and what isleft out has always bothered me.
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And so I read a lot and I justenjoy learning.
I always want to be learning.
I never want to say that's it,I'm done.
I feel like that would be a veryboring place to be in.
So I I got sucked into thehistory because there was so
much there that I didn't know.
And then I was like, but we needto know these things.
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These are important things.
This is our history shared ashumanity.
This unites us and connects us.
And it is also unique todifferent cultures.
And that's beautiful and shouldbe talked about and shared
because if we don't those thingsvanish.
And that would be terribly sad.
And there's so many forcesfighting against it with, you
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know, fast fashion, and just theamount of time that we have to
put into what hobbies we do orhave.
And, you know, just the largeinvestment of a big loom.
So if I can do something with abig loom that someone might
learn from, I think that thatgrows the community overall,
even if that person is nevergoing to get a large floor loom
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and weave themselves.
It gives context to everythingelse around it, historically and
leading up to where we're attoday, just generally with how
we interact with our textiles.
So I just think it's animportant story to learn and
tell.
And I enjoy it because fullcircle, I'm a nerd.
UNKNOWN (15:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:02):
Yeah, I think it's, you know, like you mentioned
fast fashion and about like howa lot of kids like I went in
earlier this year to mydaughter's class.
She's in like grade three, fourclass and explaining to people
where fashion.
What their cloth is made out of,they have no idea.
They're wearing a t-shirt orthey're wearing jeans and
they're just like, oh yeah,these are my clothes.
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And they don't know that thiswas woven on a loom.
So I brought a loom to showthem, this is how it works.
And then this is your t-shirtfabric.
It's actually knitting.
All of these things to be ableto share with people so that
they know where all these thingscame from.
But yeah, I think that yourbackground in teaching, I think,
is really, really important hereto be able to dissect a lot of
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this stuff and break it down sothat it's easy for everybody to
understand why it's important.
Not just, oh, that these thingshappened historically, that this
was this and this happened, butwhat is the significance out of
all of this?
I think one of the things that Ilearned from you in one of your
posts was how important spinningand weaving were to people in
the so much so that they wereburied with their spindles and
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their spinning tools.
And then this past summer whenwe went to London and we went to
the British Museum, we actuallysaw some of these tools that had
been sort of excavated.
And it was like, I read aboutthat or I heard about that from
Evie.
I knew that that was a thing.
SPEAKER_00 (16:25):
Yeah, that just, I think, drives home...
the different experience thatthose people had interacting
with the physical world aroundthem than what we have today
because we just get so used togoing to the store.
But that's so great that you gotto go and talk to the kids about
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cloth.
That's really awesome.
I love that.
SPEAKER_01 (16:49):
Yeah, so talking more about sort of the
significance of textiles in thepast and sort of how involved we
were with textiles.
When I was watching that videothat you released maybe about a
month ago or several weeks agoabout the history of textiles in
America, it was reallyinteresting to me because some
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of the stuff that you weretalking about was around the
same time as a lot of the stuffthat I'm going through and
learning about with circularsock knitting machines right now
and sort of the history of thatand sort of I'm trying to
overlap the history of circularsock knitting machine with a lot
of what you're talking aboutwhat's happening in the late
1800s early 1900s and that kindof thing and then you were
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mentioning a time in the UnitedStates when something like 15%
of every 15% of households owneda spinning wheel and then after
a certain amount of time itjumped up to like 40% of
households in America hadspinning wheels.
I heard that stat and I waslike, I cannot even imagine in
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this day and age, if you canimagine, like close to 50% of
everyone you know has a spinningwheel and knows how to spin.
That is such an incrediblydifferent world from what we
live in right now.
And so I I found that part of itfascinating.
I appreciated you sharing all ofthat.
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Can you talk more about your ownspinning community?
Do you have community locally toyou where you're gathering with
people?
Because you mentioned the wordspinning frolic and getting
together with your community tospin.
Can you talk a little bit moreabout that?
And what does it look like, yourcommunity around you where you
spin and weave and do all thethings?
SPEAKER_00 (18:31):
Yeah, sure.
I think spinning frolic needs tobe brought back.
It needs to be regularvernacular.
daily use.
I love it so much, but a frolic,just the idea of just gathering
together to spin and you getchores done while you hang out.
I love that so much.
And I think we're lacking thatin a lot of ways.
Local community is so important.
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And so I do have like thevirtual community, but locally I
have some people, um, we movedsince I started my channel.
So I've got kind of twodifferent houses in the
background, but our prior house,my neighbor across the street
found a spinning wheel at athrift shop.
And so we were out, you know,chatting and, and so there was a
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connection there.
And then I found some otherpeople that are kind of locally
around in the area.
And, uh, a lot of it is justthat I have a, I should back up
a sec.
I have a monthly group that I goto and there's guilds and, um,
local projects going on.
I volunteer with my local fibershed.
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And so I work in the booth therefor Wisconsin Sheep and Wool,
and that's a lot of education.
And they're having an event.
It's like the 20th, 21st, 22ndof this month at the college in
Madison.
And so I'm going up there tospin and do some demonstrations
with spinning flax.
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The The thing that my mom alwaystaught me growing up was that To
have a balanced community, youshould have people that you're
learning from and you shouldhave people who are learning
from you.
And that doesn't always have tobe the same person every time.
It has nothing to do with age.
It just has to do with notgetting stuck where everybody's
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at the same level, doing thesame thing, reinforcing the same
thing.
It keeps things healthy.
You've got challenges.
You learn from teaching.
And so I've always kind of triedto seek that out.
I think I found it.
Um, like I said, my monthlygroup, I love that group.
We've got people there who havebeen spinning longer almost than
I've been alive.
And we have people who are likebrand new, like they show up and
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they say, look what I got lastweek.
And it's a brand new to themspinning wheel.
And there's just so much fun.
Um, engaging with that.
And I think that's important forthe health of the community
overall.
I don't think we can existsolely as a virtual community.
I think virtual is reallyimportant.
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I think it gets people connectedwho are isolated in whatever
reason, geography, physically,various reasons.
But ultimately, I think thatthis is a hands-on craft.
And it really makes a differencewhen you're in person with
someone watching them.
You can see their whole body.
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You can see how they holdthemselves.
You know, all those things thatwe sort of perceive that's
really hard to translate oncamera because, like, video is
flat.
We sort of imagine it is 3Dbecause, like, our brain kind of
interprets it that way for us.
But really, it's flat.
So, yeah.
And the...
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Yeah, local community, I think,is just really vital.
Plus, for getting equipment intothe hands of newbies.
UNKNOWN (21:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:59):
Spinning equipment holds up.
We have fabulous makers andfabulous spinning wheel.
You know, we say companies,these are all small businesses.
And so to be able to kind ofcycle that equipment around so
that people who are learninghave an easy entry with
something that might be used,but affordable to them.
I think all of that is soimportant.
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And that happens locally inperson.
SPEAKER_01 (22:23):
Absolutely.
I think that we've hadconversations over the past
several weeks about howimportant it is to support your
local guild, support your localspinning and weaving guild, and
participate and be there incommunity with other people.
Because yeah, like you said,you're learning from other
people, but then you're alsoinspiring and sharing what you
know with other people and keepsthe whole thing going.
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So yeah, that's a great reminderfor everyone.
I am very curious about...
time management.
I'm always very, very curiousabout time management.
And I see you tackling thesemassive big projects and fiber
all the way to fabric, all theway to garments, and you're
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talking about spinning aneight-ply crepe yarn and things
like that.
A lot of these projects thatyou're working on are very, very
time-intensive, and you havemany of these projects.
How do you juggle all of yourtime in order to manage all
these multiple projects andmultiple crafts?
SPEAKER_00 (23:23):
I don't sleep.
No, I'm just kidding.
I think that I'm still figuringthis out.
I have learned things aboutmyself just because of these
crafts that I do that arehelpful in the realm of time
management.
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When I was a school teacher,when I was in a classroom, I had
an alarm going off.
I mean, it was the bell tochange classes, but that was it.
Your time was up.
You had to stop.
Like, that was it.
The kids were going to leave.
They're not going to hang aroundto hear you finish whatever you
were getting excited andpassionate to tell them about.
So for a long time for that partof my career, I didn't have to
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be as responsible for how muchtime I was spending on things
because the bulk of what I wasdoing daily was very structured
and regimented for me.
I know...
that my brain tends to do thishyper focus.
And I I did that as a child alot because I was a cellist and
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I started very very young Istarted when I was four and I
did cello all the way up throughhigh school and into college and
then I switched to education soI knew that if I had something
to do that took a long time Icould just start doing it and
like really hyper focus on itand I wouldn't feel the passage
of time and I did that to makepractice more interesting
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because I was a child like howdo you get a six-year-old to sit
there with an instrument for anhour, right?
Like if that six-year-old canfind a way to sort of hack the
perception of time.
And I guess I figured that out.
My brain likes to do that.
All right.
So let's talk about today.
I tend to start working on aproject and I just zone into it
like I stopped paying attentionto the amount of light coming in
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the window.
I don't know what time it is.
Oh my gosh, is it time fordinner?
Who knows?
Um, and so the thing I've had todo is set alarms back to the
school model that worked for me.
I have to set alarms.
If I don't, I will keep goingand not realize it turned dark
outside and my family will behungry on my nights to cook.
So I think it's just finding thetools that work for me and, um,
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enjoying that my brain does dothat.
Like I do enjoy that.
It's, it's, it's like being inthis sort of, um, it's not like
an alternate reality.
I'm very much aware of likereality.
If you know, someone came andtalked to me, I can talk to them
back.
It's not like I'm totally gone,but that intense focus and
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concentration when I'm in thatmoment, not being interrupted.
I really do enjoy that.
I find pleasure from that.
So it's just a matter of makingthe balance work so that I don't
get stuck there and then not dothe other things I need to do
around the house.
The, so I'm not sure if that'severyone's experience, but I
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wanted to explain that part ofit.
Cause when I say set alarms and,and stuff that's, that's what
works for me.
And maybe if other people havethat kind of experience, like I
have a app on my computer thatif I am doing it, tracks my
whatever I'm doing on thecomputer.
If I'm doing something for morethan 40 minutes, I can change
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the time.
It'll interrupt me and it'llmake the entire screen go foggy.
So I can't see what I'm doinganymore.
And it'll say time for a break.
And so then I get up and getsome water and like, remember
that I have a body and take careof
SPEAKER_01 (27:00):
it.
Yeah, I think that what you'redescribing is exactly creative
flow.
Like that's what it means to bein a state of flow where you
forget that time is passing andthat you're just so focused on
the thing that you're doing.
You just kind of lose yourselfinto that moment.
And I do remember that feeling.
But like from when I was in highschool and sewing my clothes, I
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remember sewing garments on thefloor of my bedroom.
And again, like exactly what yousaid, forget that, oh, it's
getting dark outside.
Oh, how many hours have I beendoing this?
Like just you forget the passageof time.
And that feeling is so strong.
So good and so satisfying to bein that moment.
I think it's really interestingbecause my husband and I have
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very, very different jobs.
And he has like a lot ofmeetings.
And I don't really...
like meetings, but I'vediscovered this difference
between what they call managertime and maker time.
And so manager time is like, ifyou look at your schedule and
you have all these meetings,like that's the work that you
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have to do today.
So if your schedule looks likeit has no meetings, then you're
like, you're free, you have nowork.
When I look at my calendar, if Ihave meetings, I know that I
can't get any work done.
But if the calendar is open withnot a single meeting in that
day, I'm like, I am going to getso much stuff done.
Because that's my time to gointo that flow state of making
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things and doing things.
So I just find that really,really interesting about how
everybody approaches their timeand their schedule and how they
actually get things done.
Because you do.
You are very prolific and you'regetting a ton of stuff done.
What are you finding is the most
SPEAKER_00 (28:37):
interesting?
I'm glad it looks that way.
SPEAKER_01 (28:42):
It looks like you're very productive.
Yeah.
What are you finding is the mostinteresting thing right now for
you?
Where is most of your interestgoing?
Because I know you've mentionedthe flax a couple of times as
well.
And I know you're learning tospin flax and talking about
growing it and things like that.
Is that the most interestingthing right now for you?
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Or what are you curious aboutright now?
SPEAKER_00 (29:07):
Yeah.
Linen's taking a lot of myattention just because it's
hotter outside at this time ofyear.
And so I start looking more forthe it kind of makes a theme
where I'm spinning it, I'mweaving it, I'm finding it at
the thrift store.
And so that kind of brings itall together under an umbrella.
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And so I enjoy being hanging outwith the linen things.
I think that, honestly, thething that's really getting me
going, like, I've got to becreative.
I've got to spend time withthis.
I've got to go do this thing.
I think right now it's actuallybringing a lot more of my hand
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spun into weaving projectsbecause that's been the area
that I've been less confidentabout.
And I want to keep growing as afiber artist as, you know, just
as my craft is.
And so that might be wool.
I'm looking around because I'mjust looking at all my piles of
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things everywhere, but it mightbe, it might be linen.
It might be wool.
And I just am really enjoying,uh, getting the camera on my
weaving projects more.
SPEAKER_01 (30:21):
Yeah.
Well, this is a topic that we'vebeen talking about sort of like
on our own team for a couple ofyears now talking about like
spinning for weaving, uh, how dowe do this?
Because we have the school andwe were wanting to teach some of
this, but realizing thateverybody spins a different kind
of yarn.
Everybody has a different kindof loom.
Everybody maybe wants to weavedifferent kinds of fabric.
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Maybe they want to makedifferent kinds of end products.
Like maybe it's, you want tomake bags or accessories, or you
want to make a, like a jacket, atailored suit jacket or
something like that, whatever itis, like everybody wants to make
slightly different things.
So we're not really entirelysure how to approach that topic.
And everybody wants will do itso differently.
So all we can think of is maybecreating some tips and
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guidelines and tricks and thingslike that from various different
people and how they do it.
But yeah, I'm very curious tosee sort of where you take this
content as well, because it's atopic that we're super
interested in for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (31:13):
Yeah, I'll give you my one tip that I've figured out
makes the most difference.
Think about the character I wantin the fabric and it starts with
the hand spun.
So if I want it to have drape, Ihave to choose a fiber to spin.
That's going to have drape.
I can't force the yarn to dosomething that, you know, I
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mean, we have some wiggle roomas spinners to, to affect like
the elasticity and, and, youknow, there's different things
we can do, but ultimately thecharacter of what I'm starting
with is going to be reflected inthe fabric.
So, um, Once I got that figuredout, which seems obvious, but it
wasn't, I was trying to say, oh,this is some junky fleece that
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is full of VM.
And I didn't spend a lot ofmoney on it.
It was free from a farmer orwhatever.
And, you know, which could be agood fleece.
I'm not saying that that'salways a bad fleece, but if I'm
saying I'm going to work withthis and make it be this fabric.
Well, you know, maybe if I wantthat fabric to be really soft
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and bouncy, I need to use themerino fleece that I have and
not the unknown random mixedbreed of sheep that has some
weird characteristics that mayor may not have a down breed
that won't felt and full the wayI want it to.
You know, like there's just alot of that you have to figure
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out right at the start to makesure it ends up where you want
it to go.
That's my biggest tip on that.
I hope that helps.
SPEAKER_01 (32:44):
Yeah, absolutely.
I think that that goes alongwith the entire idea of
intentionality in what you'remaking.
And so if you know, like at theend of the day, you want a
fabric that has drape, thenyou're going to go backwards.
You're going to be like, oh,well, then it needs to be this
kind of fiber to start with.
And then this kind of fiber preptechnique and then this kind of
drafting technique in order toget the yarn that's going to do
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the thing.
Yeah.
Yeah, because like you'resaying, you can have like a
really spongy, poofy, bouncy,springy kind of fiber and then
you want it to be like allslinky.
It's never going to
SPEAKER_00 (33:16):
happen.
Yeah, absolutely.
I've learned that even though Iknew that.
I've learned it again.
So
SPEAKER_01 (33:26):
I'm curious because we're getting into summer, like
you said, you know, it's gettingwarmer and when it gets warmer,
we do have sort of tour defleece coming up.
How do you approach Tour deFleece.
Are you doing Tour de Fleece?
Have you done Tour de Fleece?
SPEAKER_00 (33:38):
Yes, I love Tour de Fleece.
It's a great community bondingthing to do, to hang out, to
spend.
So I have local community thatwill have some spinning together
in person kind of days.
And then I also have a Discord.
So I have community throughthere and a little bit on
Instagram, which is going to bea little bit more intentional
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this year.
So we've just chosen our theme.
It's so much fun puttingdifferent challenges or ideas or
inspiration with the differentelements because we've got like
just for an example water wefinish our yarn we wash our
fleece we spin linen wet we spinflax wet you know like water
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comes in in so many differentways or like air we we call it a
flyer It's going through theair.
Spindles, right?
Like the suspended spindles.
They're in the air.
So just having differentcategories to kind of mix and
match things into kind of opensup some creative ways to look at
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things that you might not havelooked at otherwise.
So I think we're going to have alot of fun with that this year.
And then we have a bingo cardfor the community.
And so everybody can putdifferent, they can choose
different challenges.
And then when people get abingo, we have little prizes and
a fun, things like that.
But I let people choose theirown challenges out of a list of
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this is a bunch of thingsbecause not everybody has a
treadle wheel, for example.
So giving a challenge they haveto do for that, they're like,
oh, I can't participate and Inever want that.
So.
It's a lot of prep work, butit's a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_01 (35:17):
It sounds like a lot of fun.
I love that way of approachingdifferent spinning, looking at
it through the lens of thesedifferent elements.
When you brought up air, thefirst thing I thought was lofty
yarns or woolen spinning tocapture the air and all of those
kinds of things.
SPEAKER_00 (35:35):
Yeah, exactly.
UNKNOWN (35:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (35:38):
We could all join.
SPEAKER_00 (35:39):
Yeah.
And fire is probably going to bea little more metaphorical, a
little more inspirational.
Maybe that
SPEAKER_01 (35:46):
would be around like burn tests or like exploring
burn tests.
SPEAKER_00 (35:50):
Yeah.
Or we heat things to set die.
SPEAKER_01 (35:55):
You know all about that.
Yes.
Yes.
And that wool is fire retardant.
I mean, there's lots of ways togo with that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (36:02):
Yes.
Hmm.
I like burning stuff.
UNKNOWN (36:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (36:07):
So you just, you did
SPEAKER_01 (36:09):
mention, did you mention Patreon?
I think you mentioned Patreon.
You mentioned Discord.
SPEAKER_00 (36:14):
I have Discord.
The way into it is throughPatreon.
And I have a very activePatreon.
There's bonus videos andworkshops and things we do each
month.
And yeah.
Yeah.
Do
SPEAKER_01 (36:28):
you want to talk a little bit about where people
can find you?
I know that they can find youobviously on YouTube, but
there's other places as well.
You have a website.
Maybe talk about where everybodycan find you and what are the
different activities that you'redoing in all these different
places then.
SPEAKER_00 (36:43):
Yeah.
So YouTube is my main thing.
If I've made it, it's probablygoing to be on YouTube.
So that's just YouTube.
My channel is Jillian Eve, oneword.
And then after that, I am alwaystrying to get more consistent
with Instagram because I likethe visual aspect of it.
I can show things up close thatyou can stop and really look at
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and see more so than what I canlinger on with an up close shot
for video.
So I think that they kind of gohand in hand.
They pair well together for whatI do.
And then I have Patreon and thatis sort of like the entry to the
extras.
And then I also have a websitewhere I have a shop.
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My shop is not, not huge, but Ihave some fiber there.
I have some spinning wheelsthere.
Um, Um, I have some little cutebranded things there if you want
some Jillian Eve merch and I, Ienjoy it, but making video is my
favorite thing.
So if you want to see the bestof Jillian Eve, YouTube is the
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place to go.
SPEAKER_01 (37:51):
Fantastic.
Fantastic.
And sort of like what is, um,sort of like where, where I
think that you're also teachingas well.
Is that right?
You're teaching online then?
Yes.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (38:04):
Yes.
I've, I've had people approachme who are in the area.
A lot of times people are stuck.
And then once you help them getpast being stuck, they're good
to go.
So I don't, I have some studentsthat have been with me for years
that, you know, keep coming backand they, and they love our,
our, you know, creative journeywith them growing as spinners.
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And that's a lot of fun, but Ialso have people who kind of dip
in and out and that's fine too,you know, get what you need.
SPEAKER_01 (38:33):
We've
SPEAKER_00 (38:34):
got it all.
SPEAKER_01 (38:37):
That's awesome.
So like you're saying that youlove making the videos.
Are you editing all your ownvideos?
Are you...
You're doing everything from topto bottom, making all the
things, filming all the things,editing all the things.
This is such an incredibleamount of work.
I just so appreciate everythingthat you're putting out into the
world and that you are likecapturing a lot of this
knowledge and sharing thisknowledge with everyone.
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I think it is...
I know it is a huge amount ofwork.
I can't even imagine from yourside how much work it is.
So thank you so much for doingthat and, yeah, providing this
for everyone.
I'm
SPEAKER_00 (39:12):
going to turn that back around on you.
I think you do more than yourealize.
I follow your stuff, too.
I have some of your SweetGeorgia yarn.
I've got the tough sock, youknow, and I actually, I also
just got a sock knittingmachine.
That's...
coming it's antique yeah andthen I realized you had one and
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I was like oh my gosh becauseyou know when I get something
new I have to watch everythingabout it and read everything
about it and learn everythingabout it but um You put so much
out there too.
So we inspire each other.
That's awesome.
SPEAKER_01 (39:47):
That's amazing.
I'm so excited for you, butthank you so much.
Those are very, very kind words.
Thank you.
But I'm so excited for yourcircular sock knitting machine.
I'd love to hear how that allgoes.
That's going to be veryexciting.
What did you get or what iscoming for you?
SPEAKER_00 (40:03):
It's over there in a pile because I just took it out
of the box and there it is.
It's been in use.
It does run.
I'm going to have to reassembleit because it was shipped to me,
which is always nerve wracking,but they did a great job.
They put it in a box, kind oflike crated it up.
It's from 1908, I think.
And it's cast iron.
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Yeah.
And it has its parts.
So we'll see what it can do.
SPEAKER_01 (40:28):
Fantastic.
We are coming out with a newcircular sock knitting machine
course in the school this fall.
I'm filming it on Monday.
I'm very, very excited aboutthis.
SPEAKER_00 (40:40):
Okay.
I'll be looking forward to thatbecause I might jump in and get
some tips.
SPEAKER_01 (40:44):
Yes.
And then I dove into the historya bit about those machines as
well because it was super fun todo.
I'm inspired by a lot of yourhistorical videos and things
like that.
I encourage everybody to lookmore into the history of all the
things that we're making becauseI think Thank you so much.
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don't necessarily need to bemaking them to make all of the
textiles and all of the clothesfor our home and our families
and you know like some of thesecircular sock knitting machines
they came from companies thatalso made machines to crank your
own underwear and things likethat and just imagine if you had
to make every single piece ofclothing in your wardrobe for
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your entire family that amountof work is just unbelievable and
we do this now because we It'sfun and we can enjoy it and we
love it and the texture and thecolors and all the things that
we can get out of it.
Yeah, I think we're really,really lucky.
So thanks for sharing all thosethings with the community.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (41:56):
Yeah.
And thank you as well.
I think even if it's the samehistory, even if it's the same
year, the same place, the samepeople that we're talking about,
I think the stories need to betold by different people because
we each come to it with a lensthat's different from each other
and we'll pick up on differentthings, make different
connections.
And I think all of that isreally important.
So just like more spinners, morespinning teachers, more history
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storytellers as well.
I love that you're getting intothat.
I really look forward to seeingmore of your historical deep
dives.
SPEAKER_01 (42:28):
Thank you.
Same, same.
Thank you so much for being heretoday, Evie.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (42:32):
Thank you for having me.
Welcome to the Sweet Georgia Show.
I am your host, Felicia Lowe,and joining us today is Evie
Schwartz of Jillian Eve, amultifaceted fiber artist whose
own creative evolution from sortof accidental yarn to
intentional exquisite spinningembodies the very journey of
growth and discovery that welove to explore.
I'm very excited to chat withher more about her historical
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explorations, the kind of fibersthat she uses, and her entire
journey through spinning.
Welcome to the show, Evie.
SPEAKER_00 (00:29):
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm really excited to be here.
SPEAKER_01 (00:33):
Fantastic.
So just before we startedrecording, I was asking a little
bit of a question because I'vebeen following you for a number
of years through YouTube.
I know that you started postingspinning videos many, many years
ago, and I was excited to seeanother person in sort of the
spinning world, creating contentand things like that.
But I've always known you asEvie, and I know that your
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YouTube channel is calledJillian Eve.
And I was asking, how do peoplesort of refer to you?
Because, yeah, how does that allwork?
SPEAKER_00 (01:02):
If people call me Jillian, I don't mind at all.
But the name that I usuallytypically go by is Evie, just
kind of cute, Eve, Evie.
And so what happened was when Istarted my channel, I was a
teacher and I didn't want mystudents to look me up on the
internet.
So Jillian is actually my middlename.
So it is my name, but it's mymiddle name.
(01:24):
And so I spun it.
UNKNOWN (01:29):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (01:29):
So that's where Jilly and Eve came from.
But Evie is just what people inmy life call me.
SPEAKER_01 (01:37):
Fantastic.
Fantastic.
So yeah, like I said, I foundyou many, many years ago when
you started spinning.
And you'd come out withinitially some spinning videos
and things like that.
And then I've just watched overthe years how your content and
your work has really transformedand evolved into...
(01:58):
Very passionate storytelling andalso very in-depth insight into
historical textiles.
I want to bring this up more alittle bit later, but I recently
watched one of your videos,which was about sort of textiles
history in America and howtariffs have sort of impacted
that.
And I know that that is a littlebit of a longer video.
(02:18):
I think it was like more than anhour long video, but it was so
interesting.
Well put together and soarticulate.
And so, yeah, I want to diveinto that a little bit more.
But before we get into that, canyou tell us a little bit more
about sort of your journey, howyou got started?
Like you said, you were ateacher, you're a school teacher
before.
How did spinning come into yourlife and where has it gone now?
SPEAKER_00 (02:39):
Oh, boy.
So as you said, I ammulticultural.
craftual.
I do a lot of different crafts.
And so the story is kind ofdifferent for each one.
When I was very little, aboutmaybe six years old, my
babysitter taught me how tocrochet and I would sit on her
floor and she would watch ThePrice is Right.
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And I would have a littlecrochet hook and I would turn
balls of yarn into really longcrochet chains that's where that
started and then when I was inhigh school my grandmother
taught me how to knit and Idabbled with that for a little
bit but then once I startedhaving kids I was like I need to
make cute baby sweaters andmittens and so I really got into
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knitting and then at that time Istarted to say you know why does
this yarn feel better than thatyarn and it really exploring the
quality of the yarn.
And I sort of accidentallyfigured out that I could spin my
own yarn because I was at alocal yarn store and they had
roving in these little basketsand they had some drop spindles
and they were the very typicaldowel rod with a cup hook and a
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craft wheel.
And, you know, it works.
They're, they're great.
And that was the beginning of myspinning journey.
And that was sometime in thelate mid Sometime in the 2000s.
So I've been spinning for a longtime.
The way that all of the craftshave come together, for me, my
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biggest passion is spinning.
That's the one.
If I have nothing to do and I'mlooking around for a craft, I'm
going to the spinning wheel.
So I kind of feel like it's sortof the hub of everything I do.
And then I'm a spinner whoknits.
I'm a spinner who crochets.
I'm a spinner who weaves andeverything else.
kind of follows that.
So it all came together veryorganically, you could say.
SPEAKER_01 (04:30):
Fantastic.
Yeah, I think that we've hadvery similar journeys.
I think it's very similar kindof journey to a lot of the
people who are in our communityand things like that, who will
mention that they start with oneof the yarn arts and then
discover yarn and making theirown yarn.
And then where do you kind of gofrom that?
And I love sort of yourintentional back and forth
between like, oh, I'm going toknit with something.
So therefore I'm going to makeit this way.
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Or now I'm seeing a lot of like,you're going to weave with the
yarn.
So what are you going to bedoing with that?
Can you talk a little bit about,because I know that it's sort
of, top of mind right now, Ithink, for a lot of what you're
doing is sort of transforminghand spun yarn into hand woven
cloth.
Can you talk a little bit aboutthat background?
SPEAKER_00 (05:08):
Yeah.
So the first loom that I evergot, I mean, I did like the
little, little looms, right?
As a kid, I did the potholderthings and, you know, the little
pin looms and stuff like that.
And then there was an ad onCraigslist for a binder loom,
which is It had an overheadswing beater, very heavy, giant,
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big thing.
We named her Bertha.
And I think it's a 52-inchwidth.
And it's a jack loom, but thething clatters like you wouldn't
believe when you step on it.
It's like, so I went to go lookat this loom and I was just like
smitten as soon as I saw it.
And this was someone who wasdownsizing and she had sort of a
(05:55):
barn slash garage slashworkshop.
And she had a bunch of differentlooms set up and she had a, she
had a fly loom and I was veryinterested in that, but she
would not sell that to mebecause I have small children.
And she was like, if the end ofthis breaks and that shut goes
flying.
That's their height.
And she refused.
So once I realized, I was like,Oh, okay, I understand.
(06:18):
No, thank you.
But, you know, lately, I've beena little sad that I did miss
that opportunity.
But anyway, it's fine.
It wasn't meant to be someoneelse's enjoying it, I'm sure.
So I ended up with this binderloom.
And it was it was huge.
I don't know of many people whostart weaving with a loom like
that.
She asked if I had a weavingteacher and I said, no, but I
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have books.
And she was really not sureabout that.
She wanted her looms to go toplaces they'd be used and
enjoyed, of course.
And she ended up selling it tome and I got it home and put it
together.
And I just absolutely loved likeit unlocked something in my
brain and just the way that Ithink about patterns and it just
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all clicked and everything madesense.
But the very beginning of myweaving journey really was
self-taught.
So I was kind of nervous aboutsharing weaving on my channel
because I didn't want to sharebad information.
And I'm getting more confidentabout that because I have been
weaving.
I just haven't put it in videosas much as my spinning projects
(07:28):
or other projects.
So the question about gettingthere, I think it's a long
question.
I think part of my lack ofconfidence in sharing that
because I don't want to sendsomeone on the bad habit path or
something like that.
I think the key is just to bereally upfront about that.
(07:49):
We're going to figure this outtogether.
This may or may not be the bestway.
And then encouraging thecommunity to discuss in the
comment section or whatever.
I've learned a lot from mycommunity sharing things.
I've gotten great tips.
So I think that the whole thing,I think that perfectionism can
really get in the way.
(08:10):
And especially with hand-woventextiles with hand-spawn yarns.
You have to embrace it.
There's going to be weirdchallenges that come up.
There's going to beimperfections because we're
people with hands.
We're not machines.
But it's been a journey in a lotof ways, not just the technical
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aspects of fiber art, but alsosort of like the personal
perfectionism of it.
It's been a good journey.
SPEAKER_01 (09:06):
Sometimes I'll try to preface things with, this is
what I'm doing.
This is what I'm trying.
And I did a similar thing whereI restored a fanny loom.
It was a Leclerc fanny loom.
And when I made the video aboutit, I talked about how, oh, I
was taking off the metal bitsbecause I'm not a carpenter.
I don't do woodworking things.
I'm like, oh, I'm taking thesemetal bits off and I put them in
(09:28):
a plastic bag and somebody lefta comment and they're like,
That's called hardware.
I was like, oh, okay.
I didn't know that.
I'm learning too.
I'm learning all about thisstuff.
So yeah, I think just...
SPEAKER_00 (09:41):
I loved that video of yours, by the way.
Just for a second.
I have one too.
I have a fanny right over behindall those things.
Oh, yay.
Under there.
So I've been wanting to restoreher and yours was very
inspiring.
So thank you for that.
SPEAKER_01 (09:59):
Yeah, I still love that loom.
I love the finish on it.
I'm so glad I went through thatwhole process.
But man, it was definitely a lotof work.
But yeah, like I'm seeing moreand more of your hand spun being
sort of sampled, I guess, intohand woven cloth and sort of
where that's going.
What's that kind of project allabout?
Can you talk a little bit aboutthat?
SPEAKER_00 (10:20):
I have a few going on right now.
I have, I really enjoy likeViking Age stuff.
textiles, early medieval period.
There's so little that we haveand I enjoy exploring that.
So I've had that project.
I feel badly because I startedit on my channel and I haven't
finished it yet, but that's oneof them.
(10:42):
And I, I have it almost ready tospin.
I have an entire Icelandicfleece that is completely
separated into tog and fell.
So that is one that will at somepoint happen.
I guess I need my confidence tokeep it going.
I have on my rigid heddle backthere that is linen.
That is commercial linen, butI've been spinning linen.
(11:04):
So this is like getting the, canI do this on a rigid heddle loom
because it's linen?
Am I going to break all mywharf?
Do I need a boiling pot of waterunderneath this?
How's it going to happen?
And then I'll do it again withmy hand spun.
So it's kind of a sample, butit's going to be a very useful
(11:25):
sample.
I'm going to make curtains fromit.
And so I think just gaining theexperience.
leads me into the handspun.
And the sampling is so importantbecause, I mean, it's handspun.
I don't want to be too preciouswith it that I never use it, but
it is an investment in time tohave it.
So just being a little morecareful, but not too precious, I
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think is a balance I'm alwaystrying to strike.
And I...
Yeah, I'm trying to think if Ihave other weaving projects at
the moment.
I have a few that are lined up,but they're not on a loom yet.
And I just finished one for avideo, but that's on the ankle
loom.
UNKNOWN (12:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:06):
So, I mean, like sort of observing the kind of
projects that you are making andthings like that, it's very much
like following your curiosity,like following these sort of
rabbit holes into variousplaces, right?
Like trying to weave your ownlinen cloth or trying to spin
linen and how different that isfrom trying to sort of replicate
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a historical textile from Vikingage.
That's also very different.
I'm guessing it's because maybeyou're a school teacher, but
you're very interested inhistorical textiles and sort of
the history of where thesethings came from, how spinning
and weaving developed over theages, the types of tools that we
have, all of these kinds ofthings.
I learned all of these thingsfrom you watching your videos
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and watching your content.
A lot of it is just because Ithink that your enthusiasm for
the history of it makes itreally, really engaging and
really interesting to me.
And then I'm also interested inlearning more about these things
as well.
Can you talk a little bit aboutwhere that interest comes from
for you and what you're hopingto sort of learn from that, I
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guess?
SPEAKER_00 (13:11):
Well, I'm a nerd.
That's pretty much it.
Well, truly, I think thatTextile history is such an
untold history.
And as a teacher, I'm familiarwith what curriculum we get in
our school systems and what isleft out has always bothered me.
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And so I read a lot and I justenjoy learning.
I always want to be learning.
I never want to say that's it,I'm done.
I feel like that would be a veryboring place to be in.
So I I got sucked into thehistory because there was so
much there that I didn't know.
And then I was like, but we needto know these things.
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These are important things.
This is our history shared ashumanity.
This unites us and connects us.
And it is also unique todifferent cultures.
And that's beautiful and shouldbe talked about and shared
because if we don't those thingsvanish.
And that would be terribly sad.
And there's so many forcesfighting against it with, you
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know, fast fashion, and just theamount of time that we have to
put into what hobbies we do orhave.
And, you know, just the largeinvestment of a big loom.
So if I can do something with abig loom that someone might
learn from, I think that thatgrows the community overall,
even if that person is nevergoing to get a large floor loom
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and weave themselves.
It gives context to everythingelse around it, historically and
leading up to where we're attoday, just generally with how
we interact with our textiles.
So I just think it's animportant story to learn and
tell.
And I enjoy it because fullcircle, I'm a nerd.
UNKNOWN (15:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (15:02):
Yeah, I think it's, you know, like you mentioned
fast fashion and about like howa lot of kids like I went in
earlier this year to mydaughter's class.
She's in like grade three, fourclass and explaining to people
where fashion.
What their cloth is made out of,they have no idea.
They're wearing a t-shirt orthey're wearing jeans and
they're just like, oh yeah,these are my clothes.
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And they don't know that thiswas woven on a loom.
So I brought a loom to showthem, this is how it works.
And then this is your t-shirtfabric.
It's actually knitting.
All of these things to be ableto share with people so that
they know where all these thingscame from.
But yeah, I think that yourbackground in teaching, I think,
is really, really important hereto be able to dissect a lot of
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this stuff and break it down sothat it's easy for everybody to
understand why it's important.
Not just, oh, that these thingshappened historically, that this
was this and this happened, butwhat is the significance out of
all of this?
I think one of the things that Ilearned from you in one of your
posts was how important spinningand weaving were to people in
the so much so that they wereburied with their spindles and
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their spinning tools.
And then this past summer whenwe went to London and we went to
the British Museum, we actuallysaw some of these tools that had
been sort of excavated.
And it was like, I read aboutthat or I heard about that from
Evie.
I knew that that was a thing.
SPEAKER_00 (16:25):
Yeah, that just, I think, drives home...
the different experience thatthose people had interacting
with the physical world aroundthem than what we have today
because we just get so used togoing to the store.
But that's so great that you gotto go and talk to the kids about
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cloth.
That's really awesome.
I love that.
SPEAKER_01 (16:49):
Yeah, so talking more about sort of the
significance of textiles in thepast and sort of how involved we
were with textiles.
When I was watching that videothat you released maybe about a
month ago or several weeks agoabout the history of textiles in
America, it was reallyinteresting to me because some
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of the stuff that you weretalking about was around the
same time as a lot of the stuffthat I'm going through and
learning about with circularsock knitting machines right now
and sort of the history of thatand sort of I'm trying to
overlap the history of circularsock knitting machine with a lot
of what you're talking aboutwhat's happening in the late
1800s early 1900s and that kindof thing and then you were
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mentioning a time in the UnitedStates when something like 15%
of every 15% of households owneda spinning wheel and then after
a certain amount of time itjumped up to like 40% of
households in America hadspinning wheels.
I heard that stat and I waslike, I cannot even imagine in
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this day and age, if you canimagine, like close to 50% of
everyone you know has a spinningwheel and knows how to spin.
That is such an incrediblydifferent world from what we
live in right now.
And so I I found that part of itfascinating.
I appreciated you sharing all ofthat.
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Can you talk more about your ownspinning community?
Do you have community locally toyou where you're gathering with
people?
Because you mentioned the wordspinning frolic and getting
together with your community tospin.
Can you talk a little bit moreabout that?
And what does it look like, yourcommunity around you where you
spin and weave and do all thethings?
SPEAKER_00 (18:31):
Yeah, sure.
I think spinning frolic needs tobe brought back.
It needs to be regularvernacular.
daily use.
I love it so much, but a frolic,just the idea of just gathering
together to spin and you getchores done while you hang out.
I love that so much.
And I think we're lacking thatin a lot of ways.
Local community is so important.
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And so I do have like thevirtual community, but locally I
have some people, um, we movedsince I started my channel.
So I've got kind of twodifferent houses in the
background, but our prior house,my neighbor across the street
found a spinning wheel at athrift shop.
And so we were out, you know,chatting and, and so there was a
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connection there.
And then I found some otherpeople that are kind of locally
around in the area.
And, uh, a lot of it is justthat I have a, I should back up
a sec.
I have a monthly group that I goto and there's guilds and, um,
local projects going on.
I volunteer with my local fibershed.
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And so I work in the booth therefor Wisconsin Sheep and Wool,
and that's a lot of education.
And they're having an event.
It's like the 20th, 21st, 22ndof this month at the college in
Madison.
And so I'm going up there tospin and do some demonstrations
with spinning flax.
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The The thing that my mom alwaystaught me growing up was that To
have a balanced community, youshould have people that you're
learning from and you shouldhave people who are learning
from you.
And that doesn't always have tobe the same person every time.
It has nothing to do with age.
It just has to do with notgetting stuck where everybody's
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at the same level, doing thesame thing, reinforcing the same
thing.
It keeps things healthy.
You've got challenges.
You learn from teaching.
And so I've always kind of triedto seek that out.
I think I found it.
Um, like I said, my monthlygroup, I love that group.
We've got people there who havebeen spinning longer almost than
I've been alive.
And we have people who are likebrand new, like they show up and
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they say, look what I got lastweek.
And it's a brand new to themspinning wheel.
And there's just so much fun.
Um, engaging with that.
And I think that's important forthe health of the community
overall.
I don't think we can existsolely as a virtual community.
I think virtual is reallyimportant.
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I think it gets people connectedwho are isolated in whatever
reason, geography, physically,various reasons.
But ultimately, I think thatthis is a hands-on craft.
And it really makes a differencewhen you're in person with
someone watching them.
You can see their whole body.
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You can see how they holdthemselves.
You know, all those things thatwe sort of perceive that's
really hard to translate oncamera because, like, video is
flat.
We sort of imagine it is 3Dbecause, like, our brain kind of
interprets it that way for us.
But really, it's flat.
So, yeah.
And the...
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Yeah, local community, I think,is just really vital.
Plus, for getting equipment intothe hands of newbies.
UNKNOWN (21:58):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (21:59):
Spinning equipment holds up.
We have fabulous makers andfabulous spinning wheel.
You know, we say companies,these are all small businesses.
And so to be able to kind ofcycle that equipment around so
that people who are learninghave an easy entry with
something that might be used,but affordable to them.
I think all of that is soimportant.
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And that happens locally inperson.
SPEAKER_01 (22:23):
Absolutely.
I think that we've hadconversations over the past
several weeks about howimportant it is to support your
local guild, support your localspinning and weaving guild, and
participate and be there incommunity with other people.
Because yeah, like you said,you're learning from other
people, but then you're alsoinspiring and sharing what you
know with other people and keepsthe whole thing going.
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So yeah, that's a great reminderfor everyone.
I am very curious about...
time management.
I'm always very, very curiousabout time management.
And I see you tackling thesemassive big projects and fiber
all the way to fabric, all theway to garments, and you're
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talking about spinning aneight-ply crepe yarn and things
like that.
A lot of these projects thatyou're working on are very, very
time-intensive, and you havemany of these projects.
How do you juggle all of yourtime in order to manage all
these multiple projects andmultiple crafts?
SPEAKER_00 (23:23):
I don't sleep.
No, I'm just kidding.
I think that I'm still figuringthis out.
I have learned things aboutmyself just because of these
crafts that I do that arehelpful in the realm of time
management.
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When I was a school teacher,when I was in a classroom, I had
an alarm going off.
I mean, it was the bell tochange classes, but that was it.
Your time was up.
You had to stop.
Like, that was it.
The kids were going to leave.
They're not going to hang aroundto hear you finish whatever you
were getting excited andpassionate to tell them about.
So for a long time for that partof my career, I didn't have to
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be as responsible for how muchtime I was spending on things
because the bulk of what I wasdoing daily was very structured
and regimented for me.
I know...
that my brain tends to do thishyper focus.
And I I did that as a child alot because I was a cellist and
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I started very very young Istarted when I was four and I
did cello all the way up throughhigh school and into college and
then I switched to education soI knew that if I had something
to do that took a long time Icould just start doing it and
like really hyper focus on itand I wouldn't feel the passage
of time and I did that to makepractice more interesting
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because I was a child like howdo you get a six-year-old to sit
there with an instrument for anhour, right?
Like if that six-year-old canfind a way to sort of hack the
perception of time.
And I guess I figured that out.
My brain likes to do that.
All right.
So let's talk about today.
I tend to start working on aproject and I just zone into it
like I stopped paying attentionto the amount of light coming in
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the window.
I don't know what time it is.
Oh my gosh, is it time fordinner?
Who knows?
Um, and so the thing I've had todo is set alarms back to the
school model that worked for me.
I have to set alarms.
If I don't, I will keep goingand not realize it turned dark
outside and my family will behungry on my nights to cook.
So I think it's just finding thetools that work for me and, um,
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enjoying that my brain does dothat.
Like I do enjoy that.
It's, it's, it's like being inthis sort of, um, it's not like
an alternate reality.
I'm very much aware of likereality.
If you know, someone came andtalked to me, I can talk to them
back.
It's not like I'm totally gone,but that intense focus and
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concentration when I'm in thatmoment, not being interrupted.
I really do enjoy that.
I find pleasure from that.
So it's just a matter of makingthe balance work so that I don't
get stuck there and then not dothe other things I need to do
around the house.
The, so I'm not sure if that'severyone's experience, but I
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wanted to explain that part ofit.
Cause when I say set alarms and,and stuff that's, that's what
works for me.
And maybe if other people havethat kind of experience, like I
have a app on my computer thatif I am doing it, tracks my
whatever I'm doing on thecomputer.
If I'm doing something for morethan 40 minutes, I can change
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the time.
It'll interrupt me and it'llmake the entire screen go foggy.
So I can't see what I'm doinganymore.
And it'll say time for a break.
And so then I get up and getsome water and like, remember
that I have a body and take careof
SPEAKER_01 (27:00):
it.
Yeah, I think that what you'redescribing is exactly creative
flow.
Like that's what it means to bein a state of flow where you
forget that time is passing andthat you're just so focused on
the thing that you're doing.
You just kind of lose yourselfinto that moment.
And I do remember that feeling.
But like from when I was in highschool and sewing my clothes, I
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remember sewing garments on thefloor of my bedroom.
And again, like exactly what yousaid, forget that, oh, it's
getting dark outside.
Oh, how many hours have I beendoing this?
Like just you forget the passageof time.
And that feeling is so strong.
So good and so satisfying to bein that moment.
I think it's really interestingbecause my husband and I have
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very, very different jobs.
And he has like a lot ofmeetings.
And I don't really...
like meetings, but I'vediscovered this difference
between what they call managertime and maker time.
And so manager time is like, ifyou look at your schedule and
you have all these meetings,like that's the work that you
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have to do today.
So if your schedule looks likeit has no meetings, then you're
like, you're free, you have nowork.
When I look at my calendar, if Ihave meetings, I know that I
can't get any work done.
But if the calendar is open withnot a single meeting in that
day, I'm like, I am going to getso much stuff done.
Because that's my time to gointo that flow state of making
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things and doing things.
So I just find that really,really interesting about how
everybody approaches their timeand their schedule and how they
actually get things done.
Because you do.
You are very prolific and you'regetting a ton of stuff done.
What are you finding is the most
SPEAKER_00 (28:37):
interesting?
I'm glad it looks that way.
SPEAKER_01 (28:42):
It looks like you're very productive.
Yeah.
What are you finding is the mostinteresting thing right now for
you?
Where is most of your interestgoing?
Because I know you've mentionedthe flax a couple of times as
well.
And I know you're learning tospin flax and talking about
growing it and things like that.
Is that the most interestingthing right now for you?
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Or what are you curious aboutright now?
SPEAKER_00 (29:07):
Yeah.
Linen's taking a lot of myattention just because it's
hotter outside at this time ofyear.
And so I start looking more forthe it kind of makes a theme
where I'm spinning it, I'mweaving it, I'm finding it at
the thrift store.
And so that kind of brings itall together under an umbrella.
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And so I enjoy being hanging outwith the linen things.
I think that, honestly, thething that's really getting me
going, like, I've got to becreative.
I've got to spend time withthis.
I've got to go do this thing.
I think right now it's actuallybringing a lot more of my hand
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spun into weaving projectsbecause that's been the area
that I've been less confidentabout.
And I want to keep growing as afiber artist as, you know, just
as my craft is.
And so that might be wool.
I'm looking around because I'mjust looking at all my piles of
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things everywhere, but it mightbe, it might be linen.
It might be wool.
And I just am really enjoying,uh, getting the camera on my
weaving projects more.
SPEAKER_01 (30:21):
Yeah.
Well, this is a topic that we'vebeen talking about sort of like
on our own team for a couple ofyears now talking about like
spinning for weaving, uh, how dowe do this?
Because we have the school andwe were wanting to teach some of
this, but realizing thateverybody spins a different kind
of yarn.
Everybody has a different kindof loom.
Everybody maybe wants to weavedifferent kinds of fabric.
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Maybe they want to makedifferent kinds of end products.
Like maybe it's, you want tomake bags or accessories, or you
want to make a, like a jacket, atailored suit jacket or
something like that, whatever itis, like everybody wants to make
slightly different things.
So we're not really entirelysure how to approach that topic.
And everybody wants will do itso differently.
So all we can think of is maybecreating some tips and
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guidelines and tricks and thingslike that from various different
people and how they do it.
But yeah, I'm very curious tosee sort of where you take this
content as well, because it's atopic that we're super
interested in for sure.
SPEAKER_00 (31:13):
Yeah, I'll give you my one tip that I've figured out
makes the most difference.
Think about the character I wantin the fabric and it starts with
the hand spun.
So if I want it to have drape, Ihave to choose a fiber to spin.
That's going to have drape.
I can't force the yarn to dosomething that, you know, I
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mean, we have some wiggle roomas spinners to, to affect like
the elasticity and, and, youknow, there's different things
we can do, but ultimately thecharacter of what I'm starting
with is going to be reflected inthe fabric.
So, um, Once I got that figuredout, which seems obvious, but it
wasn't, I was trying to say, oh,this is some junky fleece that
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is full of VM.
And I didn't spend a lot ofmoney on it.
It was free from a farmer orwhatever.
And, you know, which could be agood fleece.
I'm not saying that that'salways a bad fleece, but if I'm
saying I'm going to work withthis and make it be this fabric.
Well, you know, maybe if I wantthat fabric to be really soft
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and bouncy, I need to use themerino fleece that I have and
not the unknown random mixedbreed of sheep that has some
weird characteristics that mayor may not have a down breed
that won't felt and full the wayI want it to.
You know, like there's just alot of that you have to figure
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out right at the start to makesure it ends up where you want
it to go.
That's my biggest tip on that.
I hope that helps.
SPEAKER_01 (32:44):
Yeah, absolutely.
I think that that goes alongwith the entire idea of
intentionality in what you'remaking.
And so if you know, like at theend of the day, you want a
fabric that has drape, thenyou're going to go backwards.
You're going to be like, oh,well, then it needs to be this
kind of fiber to start with.
And then this kind of fiber preptechnique and then this kind of
drafting technique in order toget the yarn that's going to do
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the thing.
Yeah.
Yeah, because like you'resaying, you can have like a
really spongy, poofy, bouncy,springy kind of fiber and then
you want it to be like allslinky.
It's never going to
SPEAKER_00 (33:16):
happen.
Yeah, absolutely.
I've learned that even though Iknew that.
I've learned it again.
So
SPEAKER_01 (33:26):
I'm curious because we're getting into summer, like
you said, you know, it's gettingwarmer and when it gets warmer,
we do have sort of tour defleece coming up.
How do you approach Tour deFleece.
Are you doing Tour de Fleece?
Have you done Tour de Fleece?
SPEAKER_00 (33:38):
Yes, I love Tour de Fleece.
It's a great community bondingthing to do, to hang out, to
spend.
So I have local community thatwill have some spinning together
in person kind of days.
And then I also have a Discord.
So I have community throughthere and a little bit on
Instagram, which is going to bea little bit more intentional
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this year.
So we've just chosen our theme.
It's so much fun puttingdifferent challenges or ideas or
inspiration with the differentelements because we've got like
just for an example water wefinish our yarn we wash our
fleece we spin linen wet we spinflax wet you know like water
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comes in in so many differentways or like air we we call it a
flyer It's going through theair.
Spindles, right?
Like the suspended spindles.
They're in the air.
So just having differentcategories to kind of mix and
match things into kind of opensup some creative ways to look at
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things that you might not havelooked at otherwise.
So I think we're going to have alot of fun with that this year.
And then we have a bingo cardfor the community.
And so everybody can putdifferent, they can choose
different challenges.
And then when people get abingo, we have little prizes and
a fun, things like that.
But I let people choose theirown challenges out of a list of
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this is a bunch of thingsbecause not everybody has a
treadle wheel, for example.
So giving a challenge they haveto do for that, they're like,
oh, I can't participate and Inever want that.
So.
It's a lot of prep work, butit's a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_01 (35:17):
It sounds like a lot of fun.
I love that way of approachingdifferent spinning, looking at
it through the lens of thesedifferent elements.
When you brought up air, thefirst thing I thought was lofty
yarns or woolen spinning tocapture the air and all of those
kinds of things.
SPEAKER_00 (35:35):
Yeah, exactly.
UNKNOWN (35:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (35:38):
We could all join.
SPEAKER_00 (35:39):
Yeah.
And fire is probably going to bea little more metaphorical, a
little more inspirational.
Maybe that
SPEAKER_01 (35:46):
would be around like burn tests or like exploring
burn tests.
SPEAKER_00 (35:50):
Yeah.
Or we heat things to set die.
SPEAKER_01 (35:55):
You know all about that.
Yes.
Yes.
And that wool is fire retardant.
I mean, there's lots of ways togo with that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (36:02):
Yes.
Hmm.
I like burning stuff.
UNKNOWN (36:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (36:07):
So you just, you did
SPEAKER_01 (36:09):
mention, did you mention Patreon?
I think you mentioned Patreon.
You mentioned Discord.
SPEAKER_00 (36:14):
I have Discord.
The way into it is throughPatreon.
And I have a very activePatreon.
There's bonus videos andworkshops and things we do each
month.
And yeah.
Yeah.
Do
SPEAKER_01 (36:28):
you want to talk a little bit about where people
can find you?
I know that they can find youobviously on YouTube, but
there's other places as well.
You have a website.
Maybe talk about where everybodycan find you and what are the
different activities that you'redoing in all these different
places then.
SPEAKER_00 (36:43):
Yeah.
So YouTube is my main thing.
If I've made it, it's probablygoing to be on YouTube.
So that's just YouTube.
My channel is Jillian Eve, oneword.
And then after that, I am alwaystrying to get more consistent
with Instagram because I likethe visual aspect of it.
I can show things up close thatyou can stop and really look at
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and see more so than what I canlinger on with an up close shot
for video.
So I think that they kind of gohand in hand.
They pair well together for whatI do.
And then I have Patreon and thatis sort of like the entry to the
extras.
And then I also have a websitewhere I have a shop.
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My shop is not, not huge, but Ihave some fiber there.
I have some spinning wheelsthere.
Um, Um, I have some little cutebranded things there if you want
some Jillian Eve merch and I, Ienjoy it, but making video is my
favorite thing.
So if you want to see the bestof Jillian Eve, YouTube is the
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place to go.
SPEAKER_01 (37:51):
Fantastic.
Fantastic.
And sort of like what is, um,sort of like where, where I
think that you're also teachingas well.
Is that right?
You're teaching online then?
Yes.
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (38:04):
Yes.
I've, I've had people approachme who are in the area.
A lot of times people are stuck.
And then once you help them getpast being stuck, they're good
to go.
So I don't, I have some studentsthat have been with me for years
that, you know, keep coming backand they, and they love our,
our, you know, creative journeywith them growing as spinners.
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And that's a lot of fun, but Ialso have people who kind of dip
in and out and that's fine too,you know, get what you need.
SPEAKER_01 (38:33):
We've
SPEAKER_00 (38:34):
got it all.
SPEAKER_01 (38:37):
That's awesome.
So like you're saying that youlove making the videos.
Are you editing all your ownvideos?
Are you...
You're doing everything from topto bottom, making all the
things, filming all the things,editing all the things.
This is such an incredibleamount of work.
I just so appreciate everythingthat you're putting out into the
world and that you are likecapturing a lot of this
knowledge and sharing thisknowledge with everyone.
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I think it is...
I know it is a huge amount ofwork.
I can't even imagine from yourside how much work it is.
So thank you so much for doingthat and, yeah, providing this
for everyone.
I'm
SPEAKER_00 (39:12):
going to turn that back around on you.
I think you do more than yourealize.
I follow your stuff, too.
I have some of your SweetGeorgia yarn.
I've got the tough sock, youknow, and I actually, I also
just got a sock knittingmachine.
That's...
coming it's antique yeah andthen I realized you had one and
(39:35):
I was like oh my gosh becauseyou know when I get something
new I have to watch everythingabout it and read everything
about it and learn everythingabout it but um You put so much
out there too.
So we inspire each other.
That's awesome.
SPEAKER_01 (39:47):
That's amazing.
I'm so excited for you, butthank you so much.
Those are very, very kind words.
Thank you.
But I'm so excited for yourcircular sock knitting machine.
I'd love to hear how that allgoes.
That's going to be veryexciting.
What did you get or what iscoming for you?
SPEAKER_00 (40:03):
It's over there in a pile because I just took it out
of the box and there it is.
It's been in use.
It does run.
I'm going to have to reassembleit because it was shipped to me,
which is always nerve wracking,but they did a great job.
They put it in a box, kind oflike crated it up.
It's from 1908, I think.
And it's cast iron.
(40:24):
Yeah.
And it has its parts.
So we'll see what it can do.
SPEAKER_01 (40:28):
Fantastic.
We are coming out with a newcircular sock knitting machine
course in the school this fall.
I'm filming it on Monday.
I'm very, very excited aboutthis.
SPEAKER_00 (40:40):
Okay.
I'll be looking forward to thatbecause I might jump in and get
some tips.
SPEAKER_01 (40:44):
Yes.
And then I dove into the historya bit about those machines as
well because it was super fun todo.
I'm inspired by a lot of yourhistorical videos and things
like that.
I encourage everybody to lookmore into the history of all the
things that we're making becauseI think Thank you so much.
(41:17):
don't necessarily need to bemaking them to make all of the
textiles and all of the clothesfor our home and our families
and you know like some of thesecircular sock knitting machines
they came from companies thatalso made machines to crank your
own underwear and things likethat and just imagine if you had
to make every single piece ofclothing in your wardrobe for
(41:38):
your entire family that amountof work is just unbelievable and
we do this now because we It'sfun and we can enjoy it and we
love it and the texture and thecolors and all the things that
we can get out of it.
Yeah, I think we're really,really lucky.
So thanks for sharing all thosethings with the community.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (41:56):
Yeah.
And thank you as well.
I think even if it's the samehistory, even if it's the same
year, the same place, the samepeople that we're talking about,
I think the stories need to betold by different people because
we each come to it with a lensthat's different from each other
and we'll pick up on differentthings, make different
connections.
And I think all of that isreally important.
So just like more spinners, morespinning teachers, more history
(42:19):
storytellers as well.
I love that you're getting intothat.
I really look forward to seeingmore of your historical deep
dives.
SPEAKER_01 (42:28):
Thank you.
Same, same.
Thank you so much for being heretoday, Evie.
Thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (42:32):
Thank you for having me.
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