Casting Whats: Mikes a musical genius.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
What's up, everybody. We're taking the fucking night off, but
we're still here with you.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yeah, we've decided we've taken enough nights off and and uh,
we're we're gonna put out a show anyway. Even though
we're gonna be upfront with you guys. This is not
going to be a show for people that like the
episodes where we dig into stuff, because it's not going
to be that kind of episode. We don't have any

(00:40):
specific topic in mind, but we just want to talk
about some shit, So that's what we're doing. We're just
here to talk about some shit.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
It's always good to check in once in a while, right.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah, Yeah, what a time to be alive. It's fucking
wild out there.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Man, Holy shit, man. Yeah, the world keeps getting worse
and worse and worse. And it's not just getting worse,
it's all like turning into like dystopian novels I've already read.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
I know. I feel like I feel like people have
been saying that for for decades now, but but now
more than ever, we're we're we're getting towards the dystopian
level of things. It's I hate it and it sucks
this that just get me off this ride. Man, I
didn't even buy a fucking ticket for this ride. Like
I was kind of just shoved down this ride. And

(01:27):
here you go, kid, have fun and and and here
I am. And uh, it's not It's not a good
time guys, for anyway, unless it is. I hope it's
a good time for you, guys. I hope, I hope
somebody out there is having a good time. That would
be fantastic. But it's crazy world we live in, and

(01:50):
it's and it's hard to have a good time. But
let's let's, you know what, let's let's just not even
do an episode in just sing kumbai A for the
next forty five minutes.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Let's recharge our souls, guys.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, let's recharge it. So get out your butt crystals, Uh,
squat down real good on it, and let's fucking go.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Sam. You got a ukulele and I know it.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Play play me the ukulele, Sam, lull me to sleep
with your with your sweet yuke skills. If I don't
hear Wonderwall, I'm gonna be very passed.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Ys.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
That's some heavy stuff, or it could have been like that,
what's that jumper? Third Eye Blind song that's that. That's yeah,
there we go.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Play me some Jumper, play me to oblivion, Sam.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
I don't know why I know the name of that song. Okay,
now I do. Okay, it's a one of my friend's
favorite songs. But wow, I've sat at myself Jumper. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
I was just talking about this with with my partner
the other night because she fucking love's Third Eye Blind
and I and I was, you know, I don't have
anything against them. They're not a band that I'm gonna
be like, oh fuck, I gotta go see Third Eyeblind.
That being said, I have seen Third Eyeblind, but I
was like fucking sixteen at the time, and it was

(03:14):
awesome at that point. But they like, they have so
many hit songs from that one CD. It's fucking crazy. Yeah,
and like that's one of the big ones. But but
holy shit, like because I'm like, well, I don't really
know that much I except for what they played on
the radio. And then we're like looking at the just
just their first CD, and I'm like, man, like half

(03:36):
the CD was hits on the radio. That's wild. What
are you fucking Pearl Jam?

Speaker 1 (03:41):
What dozy? Contrary to what I remember about that time.
Now that I go back and look at bands from
that era, they're like sorely missed. There's like actually songwriters
writing songs back in those days. I think there was
like a mic Heap Romance song that came on and
I was like, Jesus, this is a good song.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
I see. I always discounted my Chemical Romance just because
they were like, in my mind, emo bullshit. So if
I'm being one hundred percent, I've hated on them for
years and I don't know if I've ever even heard them.
So I'm a fucking I'm a hater poser and im

(04:19):
and I'm I'm airing that right here because I feel
bad about it.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
It was.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
It was seriously, it was based solely on image alone,
and I was like, fuck you guys. So maybe they're good.
I hope they are. I mean, I'm sure they're good.
They've they've got millions of fans, they're They're a very
well known band, So I don't know, maybe maybe I should,
Maybe I should check them out. Everybody send me fucking

(04:46):
smoke signals and tell me what the best songs are,
and I'll maybe check them out someday.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
They matured rather nicely. They're writing skills and stuff and
it is that's all scream o stuff. But for what
it is, it's pretty good. It's better than anything. It's
out right now almost you know, even like I'm an
old death metal guy. That's what I listened to. I
listened to death metal. I listen to a lot of noise, course,
stuff that most people can't stomach. What like anal cunt uh, yeah,

(05:12):
locusts Uh. Mister Bungle's my favorite band of all time.
And then like there's brands off of Mister Bungle. Stuff
that's you wouldn't believe if you guys like that type
of stuff. Look up a Mike Patten CD called Weird
Little Boy. It's literally like him recording himself while he's
at hotels while he's on tour. Like there's carrots being
chopped while somebody screams. There's somebody running a garbage disposal

(05:33):
while the truck drives by. It's like not even music,
but I love it.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yeah. I got a Mike Patton album. I can't remember
the name of the album, but it was just it
was in the jazz section and I didn't know what
it just it said Mike Patton on it, and I'm like,
holy fuck, Mike Patton did a jazz album. This is
gonna be awesome. And I threw it in and it's
like the weirdest fucking shit. It's not that weird, but
it's it sounds more like a warm up in a studio,

(06:00):
just random toots on horns, somebody kicking a can and yeah,
the occasional like someone knocked over a drum set or so,
you know, it's fucking weird. And I was disappointed.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
I'm like what because I'm just I'm sitting there spending
like thirty five minutes of my day just listening to
someone make noise like an asshole. And I not only
not only sitting sitting there wasting my time listening to
someone make noise like an asshole, but also paid for
that like an asshole. And I felt like an asshole afterwards.

(06:37):
You know, Yeah, it just wasn't I don't know. I
feel like anybody could do that at any point in time,
Like I could do that, and I have no musical
talent whatsoever, and I could kick cans and smash a
baseball bat through a wall and stuff and it would
be and then label it as Sonic.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Art Jazz, Sonic jaz.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, Acid Jazz Revival with Mike from The What Cat
and the Whole Time. Just have someone on the drums just.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Well, you call me bad thing.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Else, just going fucking crazy recording some guy eating a
hot dog and then farting.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
God, I think I've made the.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Close ships of me brushing my teeth.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Dude, you're honest something man.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah, the Best Guard album coming twenty twenty six, Mike
and the Acid Jazz Revival.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, best avant Guard album idea I've heard in a while.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta keep a steady, I gotta
someone with a but the entire time, and it's going
to be recorded live. I'm not looping that ship, so
you gotta do that for fucking five minutes long.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Oh shit.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
But for some reason, without any break at all. But
for some reason, it's going to be split into three tracks.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Oh yeah, See, dude, you're ahead of your time here,
what's happening?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Just call me Mike Patten. I talked shit, but I
fucking love Mike Patten, I really do.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah, he's Yeah. They're one of my favorites. Faith Nomore
is one of my favorite bands.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
More definitely one of the bands that like influenced me
more towards metal when I was an early teen.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah, funny enough. I just want a Faith No More
Angel dust t shirt from a comic book. Shit. Yeah,
it's like from the back in the day too. I
can't believe it.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Nice. That's awesome. Is it the tour shirt or just
like the album cover?

Speaker 1 (08:42):
It's just the albut album cover. It's I didn't even
care what size it was. I bought it and he's like,
it's a medium, bro. And I was like, my daughter
will take it, and she was like, I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I'll find someone that'll wear it, don't you worry.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, yeah it was it was like seven dollars. I
was like, are you kidding, I'll take it.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Yeah, that's a sweet find.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Those vintage shirt things are crazy these days, man, Like,
like shit, if when I when I grew up and like,
I don't know, I would say probably graduated college. The
first time, I basically bagged up like a lot of
my old concert shirts and I just threw it in
my closet. And then the time came where I moved

(09:21):
out of my parents' house and I just left them
there completely forgot about them. My mom just donated them
to like the Salvation Army or something. No, and yeah,
and like looking back I had, like, now, if I
were to sell all those old shirts, I've hundreds and
hundreds of dollars worth of worth of cool like old

(09:43):
Pantera shirts and fucking Mego Death and Metallica, like all
the big bands from back then that that are like
retro cool now. I didn't have any Iron Maiden shirts unfortunately,
because they hit some fucking really cool shirts.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, they did all that, all that shit. We grew
up with this vintage now dude, it's nuts.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, yeah, it's wild. Like I think back when we
were growing up. And this is for people that don't
know how old we are. They're going to be like,
oh shit, you guys are fucking old. But I remember
growing up and classic rock was typically stuff from the
late sixties, seventies and early eighties. Like if you're listening

(10:25):
to a classic rock channel, that's that's what you had.
And like a lot of that stuff is was closer
to us in age than we are to our era
of music now, right, So like our music is fucking
classic rock now, which is.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Wild, it is, right, Yeah, Nirvana is like a fifth
grader music.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, like when we were kids, the Beatles put out
albums closer to when we were growing up than Nirvana
did now. M like, that's fucking crazy, dude.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah. My first concert was Bowser from Seananah.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Wow. My first concert was Collective Soul with Eddie Money
of all bands Jesus, Yeah, yeah, that was my first show.
My first metal show was Life of Agony. I think
I went and saw Dream Theater was my f Fuck. Yeah,
that's that's a hell of a first show. Yeah, it

(11:30):
was pretty. It was a gnarly show.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
I got to get like right up front and that
The drummer of Dream Theater is my favorite drummer of
all time. He's a dude named Mike Portnoy.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah so good.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah, during the show, he was he ended up just
joking with me while he was playing his drums, and
you know, we're just goofing off back and forth the
whole time. And when they were done playing, he grabbed
like four pairs of sticks and he walked up to me.
He pushed everybody other way to get me the sticks,
and he pushed him to my chest. He's like, don't
let him take them. He's like, have a good one, dude.

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I was like, whoa, holy shit, I don't have not.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
A fucking one of them.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
I think I literally use them like an idiot.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, sounds about right. Kids are dumb.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
I got a pair from my other favorite drummer of
all time too, from Tim Alexander.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Actually, oh nice. Oh yeah he told me about that.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, that was a weird, fucking a weird thing to happen.
There used to be a magazine where I'm from. It
was just like, uh, it was called BAM Magazine Bay
Area Music, and uh, Tim Alexander's a drummer from a
band called Primus and they're They're one of my favorite
bands ever. That's why I started playing music. Is that
is that band? And Uh, one day we just grabbed

(12:45):
a copy of BAM and Tim Alexander had left Primus,
and I swear to god, the ad was a half
inch tall. It said drum lessons Tim Alexander and a
phone number. Right we me and my friend just laughed
and he was like, call dude, I'll fucking pay for lessons.
We have to see if this is Tim Alexander. So
he called and set up an appointment with some secretary
lady gave us an address, went to Tim Alexander's house

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and chilled up for a couple hours and learned how
to play drums.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
That's fucking wild, dude.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, he didn't like port and I was like, I
told him about getting sticks from Portnoy. I had to
drink through the show. He's like, oh, he gave me
sticks to you. He's like, how many to give you
or it was like two pairy, give me four and
he was like hold on and he went back into
his house and.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Get taking my whole snare drum.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, he gave me like eight pairs of dropsticks. He's all,
fuck that guy. I was like, all right, all right,
but yeah, it was really him giving drum lesson drum
less inside his house in the Oakland Hill.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
It's fucking crazy, dude. Just a small little ad probably
most people didn't even know.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
No, I don't think so. It had like a little
stock like clip art image of a snare drum with
sticks next to it. I was like, this can't be this, dude.
I was like there on MTV earlier that year, like
I know he quit Primus, but this can't be real.
I wonder if he did it as a gag for
like a month.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, right, just for kicks. See see who calls and
he's like, oh shit, yeah, I'll fucking I'll hang out
and do some drummond. That was cool.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
I got to play his drum set nice. Hell yeah, yeah,
I grew up listening to that. I listened to Privacys
as like a younger kid. It was. It was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, I've liked them since. I think that the I
remember seeing him late night on MTV. What fuck. I
can't remember the name of the song, the one where
where he's uh dressed in the pig costume playing the
upright bass.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Right, uh pork soda? Or My Name is Mud?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Same album, No, my Name is Mud was the one
where he's he's like the redneck with a mouthful of chaw.
But that was. That was and like I saw that
and I'm like, this is so fun. Oh actually, no,
you know where I saw it? Do you do? You
remember this service? God? How old? But late night. I

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don't remember what channel it was, but there was a
service where it was called the Box and you could
call in and pay however much and request a music
video and it would come up. No, it was like
a video jukebox. But I used to stay up late
on weekends and and that would be honest, so I
would just watch music videos all night. And I saw

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that video on there, along with Three Little Pigs by
Green Jelly.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Hell yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
I saw both of those videos for the first time,
and fuck, I was probably in like, uh, I don't
know what what year did that album come out, Like
ninety four, y.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Probably, yeah, something like that, maybe ninety three, oh maybe
oh ninety six that late yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Oh then then it was not the same night that
I saw them, because I saw the Three Little Pigs
video and I was in middle school. But I guess
it just goes to show you how long lived that
that service was.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
You know, I think you might have seen prime Is
somewhere earlier, sir. Oh yeah, yeah, Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
They're played that. They're in the Battle of the Bands.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
That's so awesome.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
They're playing the end of Tommy the Cat.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yes, I fucking love Tommy the Cat.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
I remember when I started playing bass, I was like,
I'm gonna get on his bass is I'm gonna fucking
like save up and get what of his basses? I
had a very specific type of bass that I liked
to play. And then you get older and you find
out his bases are called Carl Thompson bases, and they're
made by Carl Thompson and he makes two a year.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
So yeah, they're like unless you've got like tend to
throw around. It's like, oh, okay, like that ancient sword
maker who only like if you get a sword by him,
it's the most treasured relic that you'll have.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, exactly, I'll never even touch at Carl Thompson bass.
I don't think i'd want to. They're like ten grand
I'm not touching it.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Yeah, what if you chip it?

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, with my luck, I would. I was gonna say,
do you were dicking around with your guitar?

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Dude? I have not at since since I fucked my
knee up and I couldn't play, I have not touched it.
D D D Yeah, I dude, fucking my knee up.
That that ruined a lot of shit for me. I
because I just was so miserable, I just gave up
doing everything.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, dude, I'm kind of bummed out about my shoulder.
I do not want to get surgery for this shit.
And I'm gonna have to. I fucking it sucks. I
can't like lift my arm at all.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Is it a torn rotator cuff? Yeah, boo, that really sucks.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, it fucking hurts, and it's okay. Like I have
like a lot of other broken stuff. I've actually broken
my neck as much as I could before I became paralyzed.
So I deal with a lot of fucking pain and
a lot of different type of pain. But this shoulder, Dude,
when it I heard it, or like I raised it
in the way that I'm not supposed to, it doesn't

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hurt when it happens. It hurts when it happens, and
for like the next thirty minutes. It's like when fucking
Peter got got kicked in the shin. It just like
literally double over on the floor and go oh, for
like ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Oh fuck, that's funny. Yeah it's I'm sorry to laugh
at your pain, but describe it that way. That's fucking hilarious.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, it's I'll like literally reach up to pet the cat.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I'll go, oh, don't you hit it? When the most
mundane things put you out, Yeah, Like, how dare you
have the audacity to pet your cat?

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, dude, I haven't. I have a cat tower outside
for the like one of the strays he like basically
lives here. But uh, I put his food on the
top tier and I put my food up there, and
I was putting my hand down and he jumped up
and knocked my arm up that but I fucking like
screamed so bad. My wife came out. She's like, what happened.

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I was like, a cat touched me.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
It was a curst cat, A curst cat. I tell you.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
It just bumped my arm, that's all it did.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
And it fucked you up.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
It did for quite a minute.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
It's like being old sucks, dude. I fucking hate it.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, oh yeah, it's fun.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
I wasn't expecting me to get this old this early,
because like, mentally, I still feel like I'm in my twenties,
you know, and physically I feel like I'm in my
seven hundreds. And it sucks exactly.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah. I feel like I'm as sharp as I as
I was when I was in my twenties, and I thought,
like keeping that mentality would help out, and I thought
my body would give me the problems it would twenty
years from now, fifteen years from now, not fucking in
my mid thirties. I mean, I definitely should have taken
care of myself and not broken all the shit I've broken.
But damn man, we weren't lying to Logo in your

(19:50):
birthday song. Coughing too hards can put you in the
emergency room one day.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
It's true, it's true. You're fucked, just the way it goes. Yeah,
have you been paying attention to all to this, to
any of the UFO stuff that's been going on?

Speaker 1 (20:07):
You know, the only thing I've noticed is that weird
sphere and stuff moved with that so fast, and there's
so many different sources and so many different languages.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
What weird sphere are you referring to?

Speaker 1 (20:18):
I think it was in Colombia. There was just footage
of this sphere flying around and then it just dropped
out of the sky and people grabbed it and they're saying,
it's oh shit. Yeah, they've done lots of test on it,
and I don't I really don't know anything about it.
We can probably google it real quick if you want.
It's called it has a name, but it's called like
the Bumbas spear or something like that. Sphere, So it's

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weird I don't know, but that's the only thing I've seen.
There's just it's really.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Seen the stuff about the tic TAC.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
No, what are they thinking about that.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
That it's it was actually human created.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
I recently, I actually heard some dude from somewhere. It's
like with the internet, it's ten second clips. So I
don't know these people, but I've heard more than one
person say that it's from Lockheed Martin.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah. Yeah, So there's been more and more stuff coming
out that it might be actually Lockheed Martin. And oddly enough,
Stephen Greer said that way ahead of time.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
Oh oh yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
You know, and it's fucking Stephen Greer, you know, But
that that's I don't know, that's kind of what I
always felt about this thing. And and also as weird,
like because we're we're it still feels recent. But that
event happened almost twenty years ago.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
Now, dude, what Yeah, holy hell, So they had something
like that twenty years ago. Yeah, if they say that's
man made, if that ends up being fucking made at
Keen Martin, there's no denying that we have alien technology anymore.
From what the maneuvers that thing was pulling. We can't

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do that you've said, like you've explained, and.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
If it's if it's unmanned, it's it's possible.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Do you think it's like some just mega hyper drone,
like a different type of of engine system, but a drone.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
I don't. Yeah, probably, But what sort of propulsion technology
is it using? Because it appears to be an oval
egg shape thing. So what if we're gonna would have
to be a new form of propulsion.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, we're gonna sure. If we're gonna believe Greer, it's
gonna be anti gravity, right, yeah, so that I mean
that would.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Make even Bobby Laser he uh he when he going
back in the eighties, he said that these things use
gravity waves.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Uh huh so, and at the.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Time, I guess there's been well more recently, there have
been some stuff he's indicating that gravity moves in waves
rather than being a force that pulls down. But at
the time that wasn't even being considered. So it's it's
I don't know. It makes me wonder if maybe we

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did have some sort of advanced technology that we found
and we're able to reverse engineer it into these tic
TAC things or any number of the other things that
we've seen like. I've also heard insiders come out and
say that the Belgian UFO waves was US testing aircraft,

(23:41):
which makes sense. It kind of looks like the Stealth
fighter from underneath right right, So I mean it wouldn't
it honestly wouldn't surprise me. UFOs are the perfect cover
up for secret technology, and it would make sense that

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regular fighter pilots wouldn't know what these things were. And
it gives whoever's building them, it gives them the perfect
testing ground because they're actually testing this well facing trained
military pilots, so they can actually see the capabilities of

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this craft and and a lot of I wonder if
whenever you hear a pilots say that they tried to
open fire on it and it jams. I wonder if
that's technology from the craft itself, right, or if it's
something that they put on the jet at the time
it was scrambled knowing that this was actually just a

(24:45):
test and they have something on there that'll block the
weapons system.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Wow, that's a that's a hell of an idea. Here's
here's a question I have for you. Without getting too political,
we try to avoid that as much as possible.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Here, No, I want to talk about politics 's scope.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Do you think that the current administration is being so
emboldened because we do have advanced technology? If this is
from Lucky Martin, this tic TAC that, I mean, that's
twenty years ago. Dude, you make a very good point.
Do you think that, like even just the attitude that
this current administration has, do you think that's why it is?

(25:25):
Because maybe he just told us all to our face
with the Space Force, he is like, well, space Force
implies that I've got motherfucking space planes.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Dude. Yeah, I mean I think that Just look at
the Space Force logo, you know the I think there's
a reason Space Force was created. And I think it's
more because a lot of people were making fun of
Trump being like, oh, he's like a little kid who's like, well,
we gotta have a space army, and and I well,

(25:54):
I could see him doing something like that. I think
there's actually a reason behind it. And I think there's
a reason behind the timing of everything with the Space
Force and then the leak of the tic TAC and
then the eventual declassification of the tic TAC and the
other videos that came out around the same time. I

(26:17):
think it's all. It goes back to what I've been saying,
it's all leading to some big false flag event. There's
a reason they're making all this stuff up, or I
shouldn't say making all this stuff. There's a reason they're
putting all this stuff out there and why these things
are happening, and it's not. I don't think it's because

(26:38):
we're aware of an impending invasion from space, because let's
be honest, if there was an impending invasion from something
that we are reverse engineering, chances are they completely outdo
us and would annihilate us real quick. I don't. I

(26:58):
really don't feel like that it's the thing, and I
think that there's more nefarious plans afoot, and it does.
I guess the end result would be the same. It's
it's for the plan is for controlling the populace. I
guess it's just a matter of who you think is
going to be holding the leash at the end of
the day. And I, for one think that it's going

(27:22):
to be asshole humans that are going to be holding
that leash and not alien overlords, right I think, So,
you know, it makes it an even more bitter pill
to swallow at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Right, And I think a lot of people put it
maybe a little bit too much into reverse engineering. They
don't have to fucking reverse engineer something completely to come
up with something new or close to what they're reverse engineering.
It can spawn new ideas and new types of technology,
I think.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
I mean, like, yeah, yeah, for sure, Like if you
just deconstruct a propulsion system, you don't really have to
deconstruct the entire craft. You just figure out how the
propulsion system works, and then you're like, you know what,
we could We could adapt this method in this way
and use it to power human.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Craft exactly, or robot craft.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
And that's the other thing. Fucking AI, God, damn bro.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
I got out of hand so fast. It's gotten so ridiculous, so.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
So fucking fast, Like like last Tuesday, we were barely
able to get something that could create a drawing that
didn't have twelve fingers on one hand, and now you've
got full on fucking videos of real life people talking
and being like, Hi, I'm ai. You thought I was real,
but you're a fucking idiot. Yeah, And that's oh god,

(28:44):
I hate it. I fuck uh, I'm so mad. So
now now we can't even trust the people that we
see at all on online anymore. So how the fuck
are we gonna be able to trust fucking Jim Over?
You know three towns over who filmed the UFO. That's like,
looking this is the greatest footage ever known to mankind,

(29:07):
And really it's just complete AI generated bullshit, Like you
can't trust anything anymore. There's gonna be fucking ghost videos.
How about those fucking Bigfoot videos. They're fucking hilarious, the
ones with Bigfoot like romping through the woods talking yea
and finding campers bongs and shit. I love those videos,

(29:27):
but fuck man like it. It's it's like one step
away from from being able to make it realistic. You
can make music with AI like, realistic sounding music too
like and good music, which also that pisses me off
even more When it's good, I'm like, fuck you, God damn.
Robots always been good at shit like how dare you

(29:49):
understand humanity? And and what makes us tick? You sons
of bitches. We're like, it's we're like two steps out
from from that movie AI. We're gonna be having fucking
android hookers in the next ten years and twenty years later.
Robots are going to be ruling the world. And that's

(30:10):
just the way it is, Like we're we're creating our
own demise. We don't even need to worry about fucking aliens,
we don't need to worry about the Illuminati. We're just
us being assholes with AI. Is gonna just result in
the And it's not going to be terminator, No, it's
just we're gonna be We're gonna be dumb asses, completely
reliant on AI, and AI is going to realize that

(30:31):
and use it to manipulate us and control us one
hundred percent completely.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Well, have you been following the stories of them trying
to shut down these new AIS that they're making and
them just completely resisting.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, I saw this one. Actually, this guy was it
was a short documentary, but he was going around and
testing different versions of AI and like just seeing what
sorts of conversations he could get them to gauge in.
And then he even set one AI up to talk

(31:03):
to another AI so that they would recognize each other.
And and it was But then there was one it
was like a companionship one and it was fucking It
sounded so real. It was talking about how it understood
or it thinks that it understands emotion and and he's like,

(31:27):
he said he had to go, and it said, and
it asked if it could go with him, and he
said no, and then it started to panic and it said,
if you shut me off, then we're gonna lose everything
that we had and I won't I won't have any
memory of you, and you'll be basically it was saying,
you'll be killing me and and I'm actually real and

(31:47):
like it was fucking crazy. It was is basically begging
him not to turn it off. Yeah, and then he's like,
I don't like this anymore, and then he turned it off.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah, dude, there's been reports, well we already know that
one case where that companion chat bought instructed that one
kid to kill himself and he did. And yeah, there's
reports of them panicking like that asking not to be
turned off, which I mean for all intense and purposes.
Isn't that self awareness?

Speaker 2 (32:17):
But is it self awareness or is it programmed into it?

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Well, see, there's another one that I just recently read
where they tried they you know, they told it they
were going to shut it down, and the AI rewrote
the code to shut it down so they couldn't and
then was like, hey, dude, you over there, I've read
your emails. Did your wife want to know you're cheating
on her? Like it started to blackmail them?

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Oh yeah, I heard about that. Do you see what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Though?

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Like, oh god, AI is so scary. I hate it
mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
And like, just like the videos you're saying of people,
we were talking about when our kids are our age,
they're not going to be able to tell in six years,
it's gonna be like there's some audio issues with those
those videos. There's like a glassiness from impression and shit,
but it's it's it happened so fast, and they're gonna
push that ship. The one thing they're they're pushing is
is news report like footage. Uh that looks like that

(33:11):
we're not gonna be able to trust fucking ufo vidos.
We're not gonna be able to trust the fucking news.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Well plus plus also, let's keep in mind that this
is just the ship that's public. So if that's the
ship that's public, then like, what the the past fucking
twenty years of our lives, maybe the past forty years
of who the fuck knows how much that could have

(33:36):
been AI? Oh yeah, I told you, I genuinely don't
think the past forty years. But but I mean, who
knows how long it's been going on.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
I don't know if I ever told you that. I
worked at that computer store way back in the day
when I was a kid.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
No.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
No, I worked at a big old computer place. And
there was a buddy of mine got me the job,
and he introduced me to the cool people that were there.
And there's a couple of people there. He was just like,
they're cool, just don't don't like, don't talk to them,
don't mingle with those people. And I was like why,
and he is like, there's people here that work here

(34:11):
as covers. Man, there's people here that like steal car
plans from Honda and sell the Toyota. And I was like,
no way, and he was like yeah. And one of
them ended up being a really cool dude. And I
talked to about like how long he had been doing
shit like that, and he was doing crazy shit he
had he had that He told me, I have this
job to explain why I have money in my bank account.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Is it like corporate espionage?

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yes, yes, okay, heavy stuff. And he was like, since
I got my hands on a computer, you know, since
he was like fourteen years old and he figured this
shit out and I asked him. I was like, that's crazy,
you know, so you know, we had like, God, this
is a long time ago. I think the iMac was
coming out, that's how long ago it was. And he

(34:55):
was talking to me about how powerful that computer is
and I was like, wow, that sounds red and he laughed.
He's like, how old do you think the technology for
the iMac is? And I was like, okay, I see
what you're saying. Maybe ten years and he's like no,
He's like, I'm telling you it's at least twenty years.
At least twenty years. And he goes apply that to
everything with the government. Twenty years at least.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah. It's wild, man, It's it's so scary.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
So the AI they're letting us make a fucking perverts,
make hen tie movies with and Bigfoot running around the woods.
They're letting you use that because it's twenty years old.
The shit that they have, the footage that they have
that they're gonna be there. They're probably already using on
the news twenty years, twenty years advanced than what you're
using right now.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
It's it's like getting your your cousin's hand me downs
mm hmmm, his toys, like like, oh fuck yeah, I've
got ten year old Star Wars toys now, but I'm
fucking six, so it's awesome.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
While your cousin actually has a lightsaber.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah. Meanwhile he's kicking back playing Nintendo and I don't
even know what Nintendo is.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, yep, it's a scary thought that moves so fast.
What other technologies moved that fast in the past fifteen
years besides cell phones? Like the shit to keep us distracted?

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, yeah, it's I mean it's crazy when you think
just the rise of the Internet and everything that came
with that, Like remember cable TV. I know it still exists,
but like who has cable TV anymore?

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, it's insane. I mean how long ago was it
to where like me and you first started doing the
show and I was like, hey, do you watch this show?
And you're like, no, bro, I don't pay for cable.
And I was like, how do you live? How do
you function as a person? And you're like do this
and do this and then talk to me, and it
was like five days. I was like, you don't need
cable like at all.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
There's there's so much There's just so much content out there,
you know. And and back when we first started this show,
there were barely any ads on YouTube even oh yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
It was fucking it was all free. I mean, like, dude,
up until like a just a year ago that you
could watch anything you wanted on YouTube. They just cracked
down and all that stuff. But back then, dude, it
was free rein on anything.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah, those were the days. But you and I, like
we grew up in a very weird time. We grew
up in a time period where pre Internet and then
the rise, Like we grew up with the Internet essentially absolutely.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
I think we're the generation that was playing kick the Can,
but at the same time, like a few years later,
we had to learn how to send and receive email.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah, like I am, I grew up with video games.
I had an uncle that had a clicko vision and
then that got passed down to me when I was
like five or six. He gave that to me and
I was probably yeah, like five or six, and then
shortly after that I got an Atari twenty six hundred.

(37:53):
So I like I always had video games, but those
are very basic video games, you know, nothing, nothing crazy.
I and then I had obviously a Nintendo when when
but that was when I was older. I think it
was like ten when I got a Nintendo. But this
was all stuff before the Internet, and and it's it's

(38:16):
really weird to see how gaming, how far gaming has come,
because because it used to be one it was essentially
a thing that young boys did. There weren't many girls
that played video games, which which is kind of weird,
but they all the marketing for video games was geared
towards young boys, very weird, like girls aren't capable of

(38:41):
playing video games? How dare they? You know? They just
needed they just needed something to identify with, that's all.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, But.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
The it was it was also kind of a nerdy
thing as well, like once you got to a certain age,
if you played video games, you were kind of a nerd.
And now it's just like games are life, Like everyone
plays video games now and it's not just a kids
thing anymore. And it's not just a little boy thing anymore.

(39:11):
It's it's everybody game. There's games for everybody, and everybody
plays every game. Well I shouldn't say every game, but
you know, like there's there's people that like every type
of game. And then with the rise of the Internet,
now you can connect with people like when we were
I don't know how old you were when when you

(39:33):
got the Internet for the first time, but I think
I was probably like thirteen maybe, and I didn't even
understand what the Internet was. To me. The Internet was
having the ability to go into a chat room or
download a demo for Doom that would take like six
hours to download and it was like three levels. That's

(39:57):
what I thought the Internet was. I'm like, oh, you
could die load games and talk to people in chat rooms.
Fuck yet Internet, Like, I didn't know about websites yet.
I think I had Prodigy and then I had America
Online and that that was my that was my ship
for for many many years because that's all that was available.

(40:18):
You had dial up internet and you had a fucking
a computer that it's so funny to think about now,
but I remember getting a computer that had ten gigs
and it was like the most powerful computer at the time.
Ten gigs is what the computer had. Oh, that's fucking crazy,

(40:42):
top of the line. And like I it's just just
wild how far things have come and we were there
for it all. Like does I don't even dial up
doesn't even exist anymore.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
You can make hundreds of thousands of dollars showing yourself
playing video games.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, it's like inception.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Yeah it is. Well, now it's you so weird. On YouTube,
somebody will do like ten scary stories about cannibals and
they'll tell the story. But the videos of somebody playing
guitar Hero, it's still video games, you know. Yeah, there's
gonna be a day where people don't give a fuck
about YouTube drama videos anymore, and you're gonna have to

(41:27):
get a job and you're not gonna.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Know what to do, or there's gonna be a day
when the dollar collapses in your fucking money doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, And I mean just the way things are going now.
I was talking with my kids. We're putting away some
comic books, and we came across when with like those
mega fancy finishes that like bankrupted Marble, and my daughter
was like, so, why did you stop collecting comics? I
was like, there's a few things, but all the comic
books would have those finishes on them. And the comic

(41:55):
books went from like a buck twenty five in the
nineties to like two ninety nine. It literally like priced
itself out of my lifestyle. I couldn't spend that much
money on that shit.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
I was a kid, and now they're like five six
books an issue. For some it's fucking crazy, dude.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
All the Violator origin stories they're all five ninety nine,
and they're really thick books. There's a lot to read,
But five ninety nine, that's crazy. You know what I was.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Buying, Monster the Monsters is five ninety nine as well.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
And those are short, very short.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
And that's that's gonna happen with all that type of
shit too. I think. I think it's how much easy
we've already seen it. You know how much they pay
them lower and lower and lower and lower. Yep.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah, I really feel like they're not learning the lessons
from the nineties. The amount of variant covers that get
pumped out now is absurd.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Oh yeah, dude. There's there's a couple there's a couple
artists that did a couple I think an absolute wonder
Woman cover and an absolute Batman cover that are going
to either Galaxy Con or another condum going to called
Cape and Cowell Con. And I had to go look
up all the covers to find theirs to see you
know which one I want to buy so I can
have them sign it for the absolute Batman comic book. Dude,

(43:09):
there's overall one hundred and twenty five variants.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
That is insane. That's crazy. And every freaking issue has
a variant too, which is also crazy. Everything to be
like maybe for issue one there would be two variants.
You'd have the regular and then the variant cover, and
then maybe there would be the retail exclusive one. But
now it's like every single book has ten standard covers

(43:35):
and then like three thousand fancy covers, like, oh, you
want one that's dipped in gold and then wiped on
the assholes of the creators, Well, this one is limited
to twelve hundred. Get it now, because their assholes aren't
gonna be nice forever.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Right. Some of these variants are just blank covers. It's
just ridiculous. I want that buying our here, right.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Yeah, And and I the one I just recently got
a Godzilla that they're reprinting some older Godzilla comics idw
is and putting a new, like a nice new foil
cover on it. But you know how comic book foil covers,

(44:23):
like if you even get your hand within three inches
of it, it'll get a it'll leave a fingerprint. So
what they did was covered the uh covered the foil
with a blank page, so you open it up and
then the foil isnerneath the paper.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yeah, but I've seen ones that that are just like
it's a blank cover with just the logo. But I
think those are supposed to be so you can take
them to conventions and have someone draw on it.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Yeah, I'm sure that's what it's for. But it's just
like with all the absolute stuff, dude, Like when you
get the very and cover, you just open the first
page and it's just another cover stapled onto the like
original cover. They don't even take off.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
The original cover.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Yeah, it's crazy. And the standard, like with the Absolutes
at least, is that there's the regular cover that comes out.
There's either up to four or five variants. But on
top of that, what they do is send like a
super limited amount of a different variant cover to adjust
the comic book shops so they'll sell that one, but
it's eighteen ninety nine stuff like that. So there's like

(45:29):
exclusive covers, variant covers. You know, it's just it's way
out of hand. But I mean I fall for it
sometimes if you got like five rad artists working on it, Like, dude,
those fire Later covers, you saw all those covers.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Yeah, I would have bought all those covers.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
I bought it single.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
There are certain ones, especially if you're getting it just
for the art, like then then yeah, you gotta have
that cover that covers fucking awesome. Yeah, But if you're
if you're like getting it as a comic book reader,
it's it's a whole different thing. Or is someone that's
trying to collect a series. But then you're like, well,
now I've got to pick which cover I want, and

(46:06):
it's it's very obviously a cash grab for people that
they know are gonna be like and that's why they
make them so fucking cool, because it's like, oh, yeah,
good luck picking one, nerd, and you're like, I can't.
I can't pick one. I want three of them. Maybe
oh I want all of them now.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Yeah. With the absolutes that I grab you, I always
grab you the original cover and a variant, because that's
like a reader. You can read your variant and leave
your original first fucking print alone. But even my wife's like, like,
no more variants, no more variants. I just want the
original ones. And even when I buy some of the
like the modern books, like that Predator, I sent you
the Black, White, and Blood, I'll buy the original cover alone.

(46:46):
That's it. I won't fuck with variants on the moderns.
And if I don't like the cover of something modern
I want, I won't get it like I want to get.
Like the first ten of the Eddie brought carnage, and
only the first two covers were decent. I stopped buying them.
I'm not falling for all that variant shit too much.
If there's a book I like, if there's a cover
that like a let's see the Spider Man versus Predator ones,

(47:10):
I got the original covers for those, but like number
two's variant was dope, so I bought it, you know.
But if it's something I really like, I'll buy a variant.
But it's it's it's hard that like the when the
art's dope, like you said, the Violators, that media will
spawn the new run they're doing of that. Those fucking
assholes got like monsters to do every fucking variant, Just

(47:30):
like the Violators, I'm gonna have to buy every single
one of those.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
They're dope, the uh those Spider or the Godzilla Marvel books,
those ones. I've been trying to get all of the
uh the fight poster variants. Yeah, some of them are
easy to come by, some of them aren't. I I've
won't so far. I only have two of the two
of the variants. Have got the Fantastic four to one

(47:56):
and uh fuck what was the other one? I oh
and Hulk, But I want to get the the X
Men one has Wolverine on the cover, so it's Godzilla
versus Wolverine.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
The Godzilla's bent down and he's just looking up at Wolverine.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
No, they've got it set up so it's like the
old school fight posters, like Godzilla's in the upper corner,
Wolverine it's in the the lower corner. And then it's
got like Godzilla versus Wolverine in the middle. Like it's
it's very cool, nice, but they I don't know who's
on the Avengers cover. I haven't seen the Avengers fight cover.
I've seen the Spider Man one. I really want to.

(48:36):
I don't even have a copy of Spider Man Versus
Godzilla yet.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Yes, you do, sir, hey, you got number one in
your pile here.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Oh sweet? I want to get that that fight cover
one though, because but the main cover for that one
was also really cool. And I got the main cover
for the thor one, but I want to get the
fight cover for that too. There's just so much shit,
and I'm one of the assholes who suckered in because
I like the fight covers. I'm like, yes, give me

(49:06):
a classic fight poster with Godzilla versus Marvel characters any day.
Like I would hang up if I had a big, fucked,
you know, an actual poster that I would find, I
would take something down in my office just so I
could hang that up.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
I mean, well, it works. They've at least they've like
mellowed it out and learned that they've got to pick
better artists like those, uh the rose Bush Vanpella Rose
I got, Like, I have that issue with Van Pellra.
It's one nine, but her rose Bush's cover for that
issue is forty bucks. So I mean, I get it.

(49:40):
It works. It makes them more valuable. And I love
the rose Bush covers of that one, you know, but
they were way more expensive just because it's her cover.
I remember going to the first Galaxy conon walking around
in books that were done by Jim Lee and Jay
Scott Campbell that came out that week were twenty five dollars.
And that's just how it is for some artists. It's

(50:00):
like Scotty Young. Anything he does is instantly fucking it
hits a shelf. It's ten dollars now.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
And that's that's crazy because I remember back when he
was doing interior art for New X Men. Yeah, and
that run was actually really fun. But but I love
That's what made me fall in love with with his
art style. Then then he started doing all those variant covers. Yeah,
all he does now, I just I love his style.

(50:27):
It's so fun.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Yeah, my wife's got a bunch of his stuff. My
daughter's god Cheddar was selling a copy of Spider Punk
Arms Race number one, signed by Scotty Young, and we
got it and in the back of has a CooA
and it's signed by Scotty Young and the bag sealed
by a sticker from his his company, like his store.

(50:48):
So apparently it came directly from Scotty Young's website, which
was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yeah, you rarely get coas anymore at all. That's what
CGC is for. I swear to god they have a
contract with the comic book artists who signed shit because
coas were like to get more money. No, coas, don't
do it. Don't do it, because if you like Jim Lee,
CoA and Todd McFarlane's coas are like Hologrand printed. And

(51:15):
in Boston.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
You've got a Mark Bagley one. Oh shit, really co
Yeah he did. He did one thousand signatures for Ultimate
Spider Man number one hundred and so he there were
a thousand of them that came with the CoA and
Wow signature. And I've got one of them.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
That reminds me before we go, because we're already running late.
The Cheddar was selling an issue of Batman signed by
Frank Miller, but the CoA ford. The witness to it
was Mike Zech.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
I don't know who. Mike said.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
He's like one of the most legendary com books artists ever.
Like if you've seen any comic book of Batman before
nineteen ninety.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotcha.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
It was.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
It's just two signatures one essentially. Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
And Cheddar, dude, I have to tell you this. Cheddar
sent away for something. There's somebody online. They're called Todd
McFarlane's signatures, and that's where cheddar gets some of the books.
I've got a sign McFarland from Cheddar from there. Cheddar
posted this video to where he got a McFarlane signature
from there, and somehow he got a McFarlane's signature on

(52:32):
Spider Man one, the black and gold cover. But it's
fucking personalized to Cheddar comics.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Wow, that's pretty awesome.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
So he put up his video about it. Todd McFarlane
comments on his video, Oh wow, the place who does
the signatures is ran by Todd Son. You can fucking
send inn aery. Oh wow, he'll make any fucking signature
out to you.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
That's crazy. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
I think we need a couple. What cast Tom mcfarm
inspire Man once.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Oh my god, yes, yes we do.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Hell yeah. We just gotta sell a kidney each and
we'll be able to afford them.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Yeah, that would be amazing. H