January 21, 2025 • 48 mins
In 1993, a group of paranormal researchers set out to conduct a 5 year experiment to find definitive, reproducible evidence of life after death.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
What's up everybody, Thanks for listening to the what cast.
We hope you are good. We hope if you're in
the LA area, you're safe. At least, Holy mackerel, have
you seen any of that shit on the news.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I don't watch the news. I don't see anything. I
always ask you that, and I know you don't watch
the news. That LA is like a burning down. It's
pretty rough, it's massive. No, yeah, I know I know
about the fires. I just don't watch the news.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
But well, we hope you anybody from the area is
safe and stay safe.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So yeah, yeah, if you're in the area and it's
on fire, please get out of the area.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Seen videos of people in their house recording the fire
all around them, and that sounds terrifying. Unless you've got
a moat. If your house is surrounded by a moat,
then more power to you.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Stand you all ground.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, the moat will save your life.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Every moat for every home in America, I say, or
at least California.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Shit, yeah, and fire and fire prone places. Every house
gets a moat. And that's that's what the next governor
of California should run on.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Right, And if you like, have no criminal record. You
get two alligators for your moat.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's that's a pretty good deal. Honestly.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, I'm in Well, today we're going to talk about
something that I've never heard of. It's called the nineteen
ninety three skull experiments, the scol E skull And yeah,
it's a it's a very gnarly case, Mike. But I
wanted to ask you. I like to check up on
where you are with and subjects, as we both know
(02:02):
that our opinions changed and stuff like that, which we're
allowed to do. You youngsters. You can change your opinion
on things, is pretty cool. Where do you stand these
days on just classic ghosts stuff, stuff that that's supposed
to be people that have died.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I don't believe it, and I think it's it's either no,
I think it's something else. Like I don't I don't
discount the phenomenon itself, but I think if it happens
that it's that it's not what it's presenting itself to
(02:39):
be necessarily, Like in terms of hauntings, you know, like
I don't think someone's sticking around their house, haunting their
old house or anything like that. I think, like I've
always said before, I think there's two types of hauntings.
You've got the weird energy recordings where events get repeated
over and over, you can interact with them, things happen
(03:02):
just as they did and it stays that way. Or
the the entity hauntings, where there are the intelligent hauntings,
where there's something else that's that's there that seems to
be intelligently interacting and maybe communicating with the victims or
(03:25):
the whoever's being impacted. I guess do we want to
call them victims haunting victory? I guess victim would be
would be okay? I think so? So no, Yeah, But
I don't think it's like dead people sticking around being like,
well I'm dead now, so I'm gonna fuck with the living.
(03:46):
I think there's more to it than that. And I
think a lot of times they'll present themselves as being
a former human because of our own personal superstitions and
belief in the afterlife and in some cases belief in
ghosts and whatnot. It's easier to make the connection if
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they're saying they're a disembodied human. And in a lot
of cases we see where they're kind of insidious, where
they'll kind of work their way in and start small
and playful and then become dangerous. And I think that's
like they're in is making that connection for like human
to human and then slowly reveal themselves to be not
(04:32):
what they're claiming to be.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Right, So, I mean with that, I kind of I
kind of see where you're coming from with that. But
what do you say to these things where people report
that they they're saying that there's somebody that they that
used to be alive. And what type of entity do
you think would use manipulation like that if it's not
(04:54):
the spirit of somebody who used to be alive.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well, are you talking like like events where there's a
haunting or are you talking events like where someone will
wake up and see a loved one sitting on the
foot of their bed.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Let's just say that it's it's something that somebody's talked to.
It's it's a spirit that they were able to speak
to communicate with, and it's said that they lived in
this time. Blah blah, seance, exciting, whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Okay, Well, I think like mediums that sort of thing,
I think that they there can be some reality to
that where they are communicating with the deceased in some way.
I don't necessarily think it's like a back and forth
(05:42):
sort of thing. I think it's more reading into impressions
than anything else. And that that and and because these
impressions are tied back to loved ones that are deceased,
it's it kind of gives the feeling of communication. I
don't think that's necessarily what's going on. I think it's
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kind of just like feelings and senses and vibes for
lack of a better term, that they're they're picking up
from these energies. And I think that's really what it
is in the end, is picking up on energy rather
than actually communicating with the soul of someone who's been deceased.
(06:27):
We know energy can't be created or destroyed. It's always there.
So when somebody dies, their energy still exists somewhere, and
whether there's an afterlife or you know, reincarnation, or you
just die, your energy is still going to exist and
linger on. So maybe these people are able to pick
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up on the energy that still exists in this world,
or maybe the energy that the person that they're working
with is giving off. And maybe it's more of like
a psychic sort of thing where they're unintentionally picking up
on memories and things that the the customer has regarding
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the loved one that they're communicating with. I don't. I
don't have the ability, so I can't say how it works.
I'm only speculating. I I've I've said many times how
skeptical I am in the past regarding mediums. I do
think that real mediums exist. I don't want to say
across the board that they're all Charlatan's. I just think
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it's it's a field where someone who is a halfway
decent con person would be able to, you know, kind
of manipulate that to their advantage. And if you've got
charisma on your side and a pretty face, maybe you
can get a TV deal, right, right. But I do
(07:54):
think the real ones exist, and I've I've talked about
the one that that my partners onto, and I've listened
to those and just you know, tried to see if
she gave anything away while talking to the medium, and
the medium said things that blew me away that I'm like,
(08:14):
there's no fucking way, like only certain people would really
know what that reference meant. And she just fucking throws
it out there like it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
That's nuts.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, Like, I think she's the real deal. I can't
explain what she does and I've never had a reading
with her personally, so I can't comment on that. I
can only comment on the recordings of the the sessions
that that I've heard, But I don't know. She seems
legit to me, so I guess I went off on
(08:47):
a mega tangent there. But but I as a rule,
I don't think ghosts are dead people like in a haunting.
I think it may be possible for recently deceased to
appear briefly, like as a as a final goodbye, or
like a comforting gesture or something like that. I've heard
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of that happening many times, and I think it's more
more of a comfort for the living than granting the
deceased and opportunity to stick around. And but anything that's
going to be persistent, I do not believe is a
(09:31):
human spirit trapped on earth.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
H Well, what we're going to talk about. I think
they might have the goal of this ow The goal
of this experiment was to find irrefutable audio, video, and
photographic evidence of the afterlife. And we'll get into what
they found, But I think they may have inadvertently proved
(09:55):
your theory there, because like as weird as ghost it happening,
it gets weirder than that. In nineteen ninety three, a
team of paranormal researchers from a group called the Skull
Experimental Group set out to do this study, five year
study to find irrefutable, reproducible evidence of the afterlife. The
(10:18):
way the team ran stuff which I'll get into some
of the things they did later. They were really really
dead set on providing no political, no religious, open to
everybody studies that would leave no question that could be
reproduced at any time to prove that there was an afterlife.
(10:39):
I didn't like. I said, I hadn't heard about this,
but this is considered one of the most important experiments
in that subject to ever be conducted, and I was
surprised to see it happened in nineteen ninety three as
early as that. But this team consisted of seven members,
Robin and Sandra Foy, They were longtime paranormal researchers, Dana
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and Alan Bennett, who were renowned mediums, and then people
from the Experimental Group just the foundation, I guess, a
French woman named Mimi, a researcher named Kenned and a
friend of his names named Bennett. So the first attempt
that they made to get any type of evidence like
this was in January of ninety three, and they would
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hold these experiments in the basement of the Foy's home.
It was like a window list just dank a European.
This is in England, so it's just an underground room.
And the first experiment was slow to start with, but
they began to hear knocks and whistles, which persisted for
(11:44):
a while. The team fell to touch a success when
an item that was on a table they were using
was suddenly knocked to the ground. They had no way
to explain that happening, so they figured that they were
onto something and they were doing just like the typical
stay out stuff like that your normal is anybody here
type of shit, So they that was their first session.
(12:07):
Their second session, the same thing happened. The knocks and
whistles persisted, and again something was knocked off the table
that they were using, but this time they had brought
an audio recorder, a tape recorder, and they immediately played
it back and they said that when they played it back,
there was like a slight static sound. It got louder
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and started to build and build and get louder, and
as soon as whatever hit was on the table hit it,
that static sound stopped and it didn't return for the
rest of this audio recording. So they possibly attributed that
to something gathering enough energy to do something like that.
Have you ever heard of anything like that? I found
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that pretty.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Interesting where I've heard of that, like where people that
are sensitive, you know, never like anything scientifically back but
where people that are sensitive are able to feel whatever
the entity is like manifesting energy and like they remember
I think it was unsolved mysteries. But the one about
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the British dude who was a medium that had his
ghost sidekick.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, yeah, we covered that one.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, he had instances like that where he was able
to feel that it was manifesting the energy and then
feel like the big release of energy when it was
departing or moving an object or doing something you know hmm.
But there's no there's no like scientific backing for that.
It's for him, it's a feeling, but it's it's interesting
(13:42):
that he was able to to, you know, kind of
run commentary on it and say he's feeling this building
up and then something happens. It's right, but here they
were able to actually record something.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yes, and throughout that summer they would get much of
the same, but they were really set on not doing
anything that could be called bullshit on. They would do
these sessions in this basement with absolutely no light on.
But what they would do is they had like a
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glow in the dark vel crow like bracelets, like velcrow
straps that they would put on everybody's wrists and ankles
so that they can see where people's hands are. If
they try to take it off to pull a fast one,
you can hear the velcrow. They would put reflective tabs
on any steady surface like a table or any chair.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Damn, they weren't fucking around.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
No, they didn't want to do this for fame. They
were dead set on just proving that there is life
after death. They had thermometers set at ceiling and floor
level to monitor the temperature of the room. They even
kept the thermometer outside to compare the temperature to They
really would do things that would prevent any bullshit from happening,
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and they're very hesitant to do anything that could be
called into question. But during this time that summer, they
would see random lights, random orbs. They reported sudden whists
of smoke that would manifest out of nowhere, and they
even started to feel things that would pull on their clothes. Now,
the four Yers themselves, at this point, reluctantly, I have
(15:27):
to say, started to use themselves as what they call transcommunication.
And we've heard of this. This is allowing permission for
whatever entities that are there to use their bodies to
speak through And I think we've talked about this before.
I find that scary. That's a level of possession, would
you agree, Mike.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, that's one hundred percent possession. It's just you're allowing
it right right.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
So, through doing these transcommunication sessions, they learned that they
were surrounded by spirits. There was a glows omorate of
spirit individuals, including doctors, researchers, and scientists that would communicate
the best they could with the team through them doing
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this trans communication. They said, by the end there was
thousands of people that would show up, but only a
few that would talk to them. But the human team
they called that group the spirit team. The spirit team
of all these ghosts I guess that would talk to
them the human team felt iffy about doing this transcommunication thing,
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like I mentioned, out of fear of being accused of
acting or trying to act up anything. So they just
decided to be pretty crafty about and ask the ghost
team what they should do, how should they continue with
their research, and they said that they should let Alan
and Diana be the transcommunicators as they were mediums, and
from that point on, the communication with the spirit team
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was much more reliable. After that, they soon got their
first piece of physical evidence. And again this is through
talking with what's there using this transcommunication, a spirit had
teleported a coin onto the table that they were using,
and they didn't know that it had done that. They
turned on the light and it was there and it
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was actually a coin that had been out of print
for thirty years.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
So what do you think of Was it like it
just materialized out of thin air?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Right? And they say that this they're in the dark,
and then we'll get into how that could be.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Did it like drop out of the sky and like
or did it.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Just appear on the ground, just appeared on the table.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Weird because I remember covering cases in the past with
like poltergeist activity where a coin fell from the sky
or fell from the ceiling onto the floor.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, and then the matches, remember the matches that just
manifested out of the ceiling.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Or the rocks that rained down on the house for
no reason. Ghosts are dicks.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
They are naturally have that prankster element to them, and
I think they deserved that title. But the spirit team
would talk to them through this transcommunication. They they would
experience more bright lights and things. Soon started to levitate,
things that were around the room, and by nineteen ninety four,
the ghost team instructed the human team to leave a
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pad of paper and pencil on the floor and they
would just communicate with the humans through that. They would
just literally be in a dark room. The transcommunicator would
say something, you know, ask them something, and then they
would They basically found a way to communicate without having
to slightly possess people. This spirit team was full of
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like I said, doctors and scientists like they said. And
this spirit team recognized what they were doing. They reckon
what they were trying to do and felt that they
wanted to help them achieve the goal of proving to
the world that there's life after death. There's audio of
these these sessions and you can hear voices that come
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in and ask them, you know, is this the Skull
Experimental group And they all laugh, they're like yes, and
they the ghosts will tell them you're doing very important work.
We're all here to help you. We're all in this
to help you.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, that doesn't seem that doesn't seem right to me.
Like that seems to me, And this is verified that
these voices are not coming from anybody that's there, like
this is this is their their anomalous voices.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Well, they were talking through the transcommunicators until they did
the writing thing and then eventually, yes, voices come from nowhere.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So to me, that seems similar to like when when
people get communications from quote unquote aliens telling them you're
on the right path. Keep doing what you're doing. We're
behind you. We're not doing anything to help you, but
we're behind you. Go go like it gives me that
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sort of feeling, right. And we've talked so many times
about how fucking aliens and bigfoot and ghosts all seem
to be very similar. Oh and very infestations as well.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
And they all kind of share the trickster element.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
They sure do, but not in this case. They were
all very helpful. They said. There was thousands of these
entities that they spoke to, but the ones that would
help them in this team. They were all scientists and experts,
like I said, and they identified themselves as there was
four of them, William, Albert, Joseph and Edwin and they
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would regularly communicate with the human team. But there was
other entities that would come through. There was a woman
from the nineteenth century called Elizabeth Bradshaw and she was
like an uppity lady. There was a priest named Father
McKenna who would come through and through the transcommunicator and
they said that it was like any time that they
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were down, like nothing was happening, Father McKenna would show
up and make everybody laugh. And there's audio of the
transcommunicator Alan talking as Father McKenna and just cracking jokes
and lightning the mood and then just laughing. Is almost
like a bit of a stand up comedy clip. He
was just cracking jokes left and right and making everybody laugh.
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There was also an Indian guide named Rajie who would
pass on messages from the scientists to the human team
when they were not available, and there's audio of him talking.
Of course he has an accent, you know that it's
supposed to be some type of his. You know, they're
allowing them to talk. What do you think about that, Mike,
When people do this, when they allow things to talk
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through them and the accents there, do you think that
makes any sense?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Well, I mean if something were to be talking through
somebody and they had an accent, then yeah, it would
make sense. But also maybe maybe this uh trans medium
or whatever is just a really good voice actor and
he's just.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Trying things out. He's just going for it, and he's
all in.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, He's like this is this is Uh, he just
got out of Thursday Night improv and he's going ghost
hunting and he's going to try out some things that
he learned in his improv class while he's you know,
communicating with ghosts.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I would do it too.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Two Birds, one Stone, Yeah, I mean they're they're a
willing audience and you can test the things out, you know,
nice and nice and easy.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Well, like I said, all this is being documented. This
is all being a video filmed while they do this stuff.
They state that they have over a thousand hours of
video and audio evidence, and in nineteen ninety three. Another
cool thing happened in November one while they were doing
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one of these sessions, the group heard a series of
loud thumps and they remember they're in a dark room.
Everybody's fucking got glown the dark wrist things on and
when they turn on a light.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I just say they were at a rave, a ghost rave.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
But when they turn on the lights, there was an
item place in front of each person sat at the table.
There was a silver thimble, a silver chain bracelet, two
silver lockets, a Saint Christopher medallion, an ornate spoon with
a bowl, and a gold medallion with hieroglyphics on it.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, it's weird that they're able to just manifest these objects.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Right, and over the five year experiment they received over
seventy five of these items with no known origin. Yeah,
no known place of origin. They weren't there when they
started it, and with everybody's hands and feet visible, they
just appeared there.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
It kind of gives me like Skinwalker Ranch sort of
vibes right, like with just the level of interaction and weirdness.
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Well, this is another creepy part these The Spirit team
communicated to the human team that there there's far better
ways to do this communication. And they actually I don't
know if they used the paper to draw it, but
through their design, through their plans, Instructor instructed the team
to build what they called a spirit doorway. And this
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was like a set of mirrors.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
That were oh so, so, here's where where their plot
comes in. They're trying to build a fucking doorway between worlds. Okay,
it explains why they're being so helpful.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Oh my god, it's like watching a movie with my wife.
Wait for me to get to the Yeah, damn it,
I will not.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I will wipe the shit out of the tail.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
This is. They did build the spirit doorway. It consisted
of like a set of like three mirrors facing each
other and one in the middle, and they would point
two cameras at it, and they said this, the spirit
said that this would greatly increase the ease of communication
with them. You just recording and listening back to tapes, uh,
through the even through the transcommunicating all that stuff. And
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soon after they built this thing, they started to see
an increase in everything light, sound, whispers, whistles. They said,
they started to see shapes that would manifest into full
on solid apparitions.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, it's like the fucking the movie from Beyond. Now
they're they're teaching them how to build the fucking doorway
between the worlds, and you're gonna get these weird floating
tadpoleed lizard creatures that are gonna eat your face.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Well, isn't it crazy that these spirit things provided the
information to build this? And I mean it seemingly worked.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I don't think it's strange at all. They went away
into our world. This was their intention all along. They
were That's why they were being helpful. They were developing trust,
developing trust among the humans. And they're like, yes, I'm
a stuffy old British woman and yes I'm the ghost
of a really awesome scientist guy. When in reality, they're
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fucking fairies and they tricked you into building a portal
into the fairy realm and then they come through and
they're like, oh, look look at us cast illusions in
your household. And it's going to get to a point
where you're going to walk down a hallway that didn't
exist yesterday, and you're gonna find all these rooms and
you start exploring rooms and you never find your way back.
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And now you're in the fairy realm, and you've got
some bastard fairy posing as you in the real world
and you can only see them through mirrors, and you
did it to yourself, your stupid son of a bitch.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I'm like, stacking mirrors like that, that's just to me.
It seems like asking for trouble. And we've all done
it as a kid, like hew the mirror.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
It's absolutely asking for trouble, especially when you're dabbling with
with entities from another realm. Stupid idiots, stupid, that's that's how,
that's how fucking centabyites get welcomed into our world.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
So I hope you're happy. Yeah, I think so too.
I totally agree. I don't do that. Don't do that ever,
especially with like three mirrors.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I'm going to use six mirrors. No, and virgin blood
in the circle of sealth.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
But that, like all the all the normal stuff increased.
They would hear knocking constantly on the walls, the chairs,
the tables, everywhere in the room, and uh that it
just sounds so nuts to have all this happen, with
all the fail safes they had in place, to see
them go through so much to make sure that none
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of this could be faked and record this much hours,
But you can look this up on YouTube. There's shit
that's ten minutes long on this stuff. There's stuff that's
three hours long on this stuff. So there's stuff that
has most of this footage, you know, I mean a
thousand hours. There's not a thousand hour video on YouTube
about it, but there's a lot of that stuff in there.
But certainly the Spirit team wanted to work on experiments
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that could be displayed to the public. And the regular
hunting stuff and communication continued, but they added that they
started to be sprinkled with water. And then this is
when they started to hear voices. Without any recording equipment
and without any transcommunication or anything like the Spirit doorway thing.
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They would just start hearing these scientists and spirits just
talk to them. Now, at this time, the Spirit team
wanted to do what they called the camera experiments. Now, Mike,
this is where it gets fucking weird. They instructed a
human team to get a thirty five milimeter camera hold
one of their sandses, and the spirits said to take photos.
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When they told them to take photos. Now, remember they're
in a pretty much a pitch black room. None of
these photos should come out nothing fuckings should show up
in these photos at all.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
So they weren't using a flash at all.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
No purposely no flash. And they tried this with tons
of things, Polaroid cameras that they would they would manipulate
the film to where they can take it out and
it wouldn't be exposed, and they would lay that on
the table while they had a session and then take
that out and put it back in its case and
then run it through the developer of the polaroid camera
and fucking do all sorts of crazy shit. But this
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first one was with this thirty five milimeter camera and
they told them to take fucking pictures when they told
them to, and the spirits would attempt to generate images
on the film, and Sandra was tasked with taking the photos.
And right off when they started it, orb appeared that
floated right up to Sandra and stayed there in front
of her face. So she just grabbed the camera and
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took a picture. After that, she waited for the team,
the spirit team, to let her know when to start
taking pictures, and they told her to go ahead, and
she just sat in her chair and pointed the camera
around and started taking pictures with this camera. And after
like five photos or so, she set the camera on
the chair that was next to her, and believe it
(30:31):
or not, this camera just started to take photos and
even wind itself by itself, taking photo after photo. And
I saw an interview with Sandra and she explains that
as they were sitting there, it's dark and there's no flash,
but they can hear the camera rise up from the
table and go around the room just taking random photos.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
That's very alarming.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah. So the team, of course took this film to
be developed, and when they got the film back, they
didn't think that it was their film. They thought they
got the wrong film. So they took it back and
the people who developed it said, no, this is your film.
And they continue to go through the photos and they
finally found a picture that they had taken outside of
(31:15):
the house. They're doing this shit, and so they're like, Okay,
this is our photo. But the rest of the images
make no fucking sense whatsoever. There was a picture of
Saint Paul's Cathedral and a second picture of the same
image but sideways. There was an image of a wrecked
bus that was destroyed by bomb damage, and this one too,
(31:37):
had a second print of it, but sideways. One was
the image of the front page of a newspaper from
nineteen thirty six. One was a photo of a group
of soldiers from World War One. One was a bright
light and there were multiple photos of groups of people,
including a wedding. Now, they wanted to investigate this with
(31:58):
what they could with what they had. They requested a
copy of the nineteen thirty six newspaper and this I
found weird, Mike, And this is where it starts to
kind of fucking fall apart from me. They get the
newspaper and it's quote nearly identical. There's slight variations that
are off.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Like, what are these variations, What's what's going on? What's
the difference the stuff I watched, They didn't. I didn't
see them go into that.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I don't, but they have they I got to see
the photo that that was on the film, and it's
just like somebody's holding up a newspaper.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
That's fucking weird, man, it is.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
So that's the spirit team told them that these were
photos that they took when they were alive. So this
is more of what they were going after. This is
physical communication. They were able to manipulate something and produce
something that can't be done and it like that. Both
(32:56):
the team and the ghost said that they want Their
goal is to be able to do this, that anybody
can be able to do this, and it would just
be irrefutable evidence. And this is this is a way
to do it. This is a big step towards physical evidence.
So the next week, the Spirit Team wanted to try
(33:18):
an experiment where humans could control orbs that they would
have appear and control them with their mind, which they did.
They were able to. They have footage of this where
they're in a dark room but there's these perfect little
balls of light that are flying around and they make
them come to their hands and the balls of light
sit on their hands for a minute. But speaking of
(33:39):
things falling apart, they were told by Raji that they
had something special in store and for them to do this,
they needed to drop the temperature in the room. They
need to gather all the energy they could from the
room to make this special thing happen, which they did.
They recorded the temper dropping rather significantly, and that's when
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the light show was interrupted by a loud voice that
came from nowhere. They said it was pretty deep and raspy,
and it said its name was Paxton and he would
not ordinarily be able to contact them on Earth.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
What do you mean he wouldn't be able to contact
I'm on Earth.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Mmm mmmm mmmm hmm. But the Council of Communion deemed
their work valuable. Remember I said she was going to
start falling apart. And they also said that there were
other councils.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Like maybe the Galactic Council.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Perhaps, yes, maybe, maybe.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
The Council of Bigfoot Gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Perhaps a Bigfoot gentleman.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
It's real, damn it. They sit around with monocles and
top hats and drink wine.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I bet I believe it. But uh yeah, that's to me.
Like I said, this thing started to unravel there with
it not this is where it starts to not sound
like fucking ghosts anymore. Beird teams said they wanted to
really folk on a public test, and they had steps
to do this. They wanted to first invite others to
see what's happening, publish their work, and then demonstrate what's
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going on to the public. So they started to do
more experiments with the cameras. A second test with the
camera letting the spirits put shit on it, gave them
twenty two more photos of fucking Mount Saint Helen's fucking
the Statue of Liberty. All this weird.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
At least it wasn't like creepy ghost feet or something.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
No, that's that's going to come in a minute.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Oh shit, it's the ghosts in a plot twist, the
ghost create an OnlyFans account and only post pictures of
their feet. Yeah yeah, nasty dirty ghost feet.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
So they they thought that was rather successful, and they
that they can reproduce this at any time. And they
started to do this prep for these these public tests,
these four steps, and they allowed like one or two
people uh to come in and watch what was going on.
And the spirit team said, you know now and invite
a team of six people. And they said, during this
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time there was so many spirits there that while these
people were there sitting in the room, they can physically
see chairs moving that are being pulled up to the
table so that these spirits can sit and watch. They
said they would feel their clothes brush up against their
skin as they would make their way to go sit
down or find a good spot.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
They just wanted a spot to chill, that's all.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Right. So after this, they wanted to take a take
it a step further, and they started doing the same
type of test with video cameras, and there's a I'll
send you a link, Mike, I don't have the pictures
right now, fucking I'll send them to you. I'll screenshot them.
This is where things get really weird. There's there's a
lot of images that come up, but there's some images
(36:52):
that like look like human meat. They look awful. It
looks like a cross between the cover of Metallica's Load album,
like with a piece of fucking steak behind it. But
there'll be a perfect image of somebody's head in the middle.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
That's weird.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yes, it's weird, like turned to the side, like they're
not paying attention. And they just started to get really
really bizarre and strange imagery from these video cameras. But nonetheless,
it was a successful test. So they go back to
their stuff and normal things keep happening. All the crazy
shit they're they're gonna do some more tests that they
(37:33):
can display to the public. There's an entity that comes
around after this galactic Council of Peanut Butter or whatever,
and they start to learn that.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
That's a council, I can get behind the galactic console, like, like,
just imagine how awesome. Like intergalactic peanut butter is like
peanut butter grown under different your peanut plants, grown under
different conditions across the galaxy. They come together and it's
like it's like a chili cookoff, but everyone goes and
tries the different types of peanut butter. Man, that's a
(38:08):
place I want to go to. Like, who do I
have to fucking bang to get a ticket to that place?
Please email me. I'm very willing. I love peanut butter man.
I can't help it.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Me too, Me too? Who does well? There's a lot
of people who don't, but I feel sorry for them
and we hate them. The spirit team started to explain
that they can also communicate with beings from other dimensions
what the human team was doing, and with their help,
they there were things that were joining them that were
(38:42):
not spirit people. So they continue to get ready for
this public test. And for this public test, they have
a lot of people, a lot of professors, skeptics, journalists,
people from NASA that are there to check every fucking
thing about this test. They're going to do the camera
(39:02):
test and they have a bunch of fucking people show
up and they do the camera tests and it's successful.
They have a thing that will they'll develop the film
right there, and it's very successful. So they have the
Spirit team tell them like, do this, fucking do this.
Have somebody go get a brand new fucking canister of
(39:25):
thirty five millimeter film, tell them to bring it here.
So they do that, and they bring it there and
it's still in its box. They open it out of
the box, they check the canister that it's in. It's
all fine. They close it. They tape the box back
up and had the guy who got it signed the
tape to show that it's the same box, and they
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put it on the table. The Spirit say wait a
few minutes. They take it out, they develop it. It's
full of a bunch of weird fucking photos. So they
want to take it a step further and they take
another canister of film and they put it in a
blackout bag. It's a sealed bag, and they put it
on the floor. And I'm gonna say they didn't get
(40:08):
much with this test, but they did get this one image. Mike,
I'm gonna send it to you, and this should not
be happening at all. If there's no flash on the camera,
no light being.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I'm gonna tell you right now, if this is a
ghost butthole, I'm gonna be very perturbed.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Oh my god, I didn't see that, but you might
be right. Oh my, I don't even think I could
show this now. That's disgusting.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
This really is a ghost butthole. The fuck but Tao,
look at it. It's got a pucker in everything. God
damn it, it does it does? Oh my eyes, mine eyes.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
God, the first ghost asshole caught on film.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
A little warning next time, we're gonna have to slap
it and not safe for work.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Sticker on this when you put it in this context,
like like not even a little bit.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
It's just I was just joking before I saw the picture,
but it really is. It really fucking is. Oh my god,
the ghosts were just and those particles are just fart particles.
The ghosts just farted in there right in their fucking camera.
It just beefed it, let it out.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
So the public demonstration was successful. They were gonna, you know,
continue their work, but something happened to where.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
But they put it behind a paywall, and that's how
OnlyFans was created.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
We have more ghost asshole photos, but it's gonna cost
you seven ninety nine a month.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
There's also a few nipples out there, Oh.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Shit, ghost nips. I'm in.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
But they're close up so you don't know if they're
if they're male or female ghost nips. They're just close
up on nips.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
You just get what you pay for seven ninety nine
a little cheape.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah, it's it's like a it's like a visual glory whole.
You don't know. He can, he can beat up to
it if you want, but you know, you might be
it might might not be what you're looking for. You
don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
You're taking the risk, and that's part of the fine
of Lord Hooles.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yes, yes, it's a it's a literal shot in the dark.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
But yeah, I'm sorry something, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
I'm sorry people.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Something happened that had the school experimental group shut down
this five year experiment instantaneously. That's that interdimensional being that
I said.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
That was it for indecency.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
No, they werefore that they needed money, but that that
interdimensional being that the spirit team talked about started to
manipulate the spirit doorway by itself, who.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Saw that one coming. Yeah, certainly not me getting ahead
of the game and wiping the ship out of the Taio.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
So I mean that's these things can clearly fucking commune undicate.
There's multiple ways to communicate, of course they can. And
there's still something there that's trying to be fucking sneaky,
trying to go undetected, trying to do something it's not
supposed to do. Like I said, you can look this
all up and watch a lot of the videos. There's
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a lot of uh interviews with the team from the
experimental group that did this. I find it rather interesting
that it took that turn like kind of quick the
council for a communion being able to talk to Earth,
what the fuck does that mean?
Speaker 2 (43:35):
But even with that in mind, they're the fucking aliens. Man,
Maybe they're not aliens. They're they're fairies. They're absolutely faye,
And that's that's what's up.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't know, like just
there's it just really quickly turned into having a lot
of aspects. It's it's there's so much footage over a
thousand hours, they say, over a thousand hours of communication voices,
video footage of the lights and everybody being in the
(44:06):
room and talking to these fucking things. It's crazy. It's crazy,
so it would I mean, I mean this really supports
that maybe it's not people. There's manipulation going on in
the end enough to make them concerned enough to fucking
close the whole thing down.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Maybe it was the men in black.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Who knows, man, I don't know. I just found it
fascinating that there's a case like this with so much
evidence that, I mean, go to YouTube, look it up.
I'll put some of the show notes so you guys
can just see for yourself. They wanted to prove life
after death, and I mean, like you said, we all
could be being misled when it comes to things like this,
but it almost seems like they've proved that there's something
(44:44):
out there.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, and to me, this more proves my point that
these aren't the spirits of the deceased. Like these things
were manipulating these people from the get go. They're making
the human connection so that they could been a fucking
doorway so they could just walk right in, and you know,
they developed the trust, and then once they developed the trust,
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they started to manipulate that trust and be like, hey,
look we can communicate this way, and then oh, hey,
we can communicate this way. And then they're like, Okay,
you know what, We've got an even better way. You
can make the communication so much better, but you got
to develop a doorway so we can walk in, and
they just fucking they might as well put down a
(45:30):
red carpet.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
M you don't know what you're medicine with. Man, there's
no I mean it sounds like they fucking activated that
a hydron collider and shit started to show up.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yeah. Literally, they've got a picture of it. Ghosts taking
a dump right on that camera.
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Speaker 1 (48:03):
Ditt
What's up everybody, Thanks for listening to the what cast.
We hope you are good. We hope if you're in
the LA area, you're safe. At least, Holy mackerel, have
you seen any of that shit on the news.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I don't watch the news. I don't see anything. I
always ask you that, and I know you don't watch
the news. That LA is like a burning down. It's
pretty rough, it's massive. No, yeah, I know I know
about the fires. I just don't watch the news.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
But well, we hope you anybody from the area is
safe and stay safe.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So yeah, yeah, if you're in the area and it's
on fire, please get out of the area.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Seen videos of people in their house recording the fire
all around them, and that sounds terrifying. Unless you've got
a moat. If your house is surrounded by a moat,
then more power to you.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Stand you all ground.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, the moat will save your life.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Every moat for every home in America, I say, or
at least California.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Shit, yeah, and fire and fire prone places. Every house
gets a moat. And that's that's what the next governor
of California should run on.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Right, And if you like, have no criminal record. You
get two alligators for your moat.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's that's a pretty good deal. Honestly.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, I'm in Well, today we're going to talk about
something that I've never heard of. It's called the nineteen
ninety three skull experiments, the scol E skull And yeah,
it's a it's a very gnarly case, Mike. But I
wanted to ask you. I like to check up on
where you are with and subjects, as we both know
(02:02):
that our opinions changed and stuff like that, which we're
allowed to do. You youngsters. You can change your opinion
on things, is pretty cool. Where do you stand these
days on just classic ghosts stuff, stuff that that's supposed
to be people that have died.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I don't believe it, and I think it's it's either no,
I think it's something else. Like I don't I don't
discount the phenomenon itself, but I think if it happens
that it's that it's not what it's presenting itself to
(02:39):
be necessarily, Like in terms of hauntings, you know, like
I don't think someone's sticking around their house, haunting their
old house or anything like that. I think, like I've
always said before, I think there's two types of hauntings.
You've got the weird energy recordings where events get repeated
over and over, you can interact with them, things happen
(03:02):
just as they did and it stays that way. Or
the the entity hauntings, where there are the intelligent hauntings,
where there's something else that's that's there that seems to
be intelligently interacting and maybe communicating with the victims or
(03:25):
the whoever's being impacted. I guess do we want to
call them victims haunting victory? I guess victim would be
would be okay? I think so? So no, Yeah, But
I don't think it's like dead people sticking around being like,
well I'm dead now, so I'm gonna fuck with the living.
(03:46):
I think there's more to it than that. And I
think a lot of times they'll present themselves as being
a former human because of our own personal superstitions and
belief in the afterlife and in some cases belief in
ghosts and whatnot. It's easier to make the connection if
(04:08):
they're saying they're a disembodied human. And in a lot
of cases we see where they're kind of insidious, where
they'll kind of work their way in and start small
and playful and then become dangerous. And I think that's
like they're in is making that connection for like human
to human and then slowly reveal themselves to be not
(04:32):
what they're claiming to be.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Right, So, I mean with that, I kind of I
kind of see where you're coming from with that. But
what do you say to these things where people report
that they they're saying that there's somebody that they that
used to be alive. And what type of entity do
you think would use manipulation like that if it's not
(04:54):
the spirit of somebody who used to be alive.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well, are you talking like like events where there's a
haunting or are you talking events like where someone will
wake up and see a loved one sitting on the
foot of their bed.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Let's just say that it's it's something that somebody's talked to.
It's it's a spirit that they were able to speak
to communicate with, and it's said that they lived in
this time. Blah blah, seance, exciting, whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Okay, Well, I think like mediums that sort of thing,
I think that they there can be some reality to
that where they are communicating with the deceased in some way.
I don't necessarily think it's like a back and forth
(05:42):
sort of thing. I think it's more reading into impressions
than anything else. And that that and and because these
impressions are tied back to loved ones that are deceased,
it's it kind of gives the feeling of communication. I
don't think that's necessarily what's going on. I think it's
(06:05):
kind of just like feelings and senses and vibes for
lack of a better term, that they're they're picking up
from these energies. And I think that's really what it
is in the end, is picking up on energy rather
than actually communicating with the soul of someone who's been deceased.
(06:27):
We know energy can't be created or destroyed. It's always there.
So when somebody dies, their energy still exists somewhere, and
whether there's an afterlife or you know, reincarnation, or you
just die, your energy is still going to exist and
linger on. So maybe these people are able to pick
(06:49):
up on the energy that still exists in this world,
or maybe the energy that the person that they're working
with is giving off. And maybe it's more of like
a psychic sort of thing where they're unintentionally picking up
on memories and things that the the customer has regarding
(07:11):
the loved one that they're communicating with. I don't. I
don't have the ability, so I can't say how it works.
I'm only speculating. I I've I've said many times how
skeptical I am in the past regarding mediums. I do
think that real mediums exist. I don't want to say
across the board that they're all Charlatan's. I just think
(07:34):
it's it's a field where someone who is a halfway
decent con person would be able to, you know, kind
of manipulate that to their advantage. And if you've got
charisma on your side and a pretty face, maybe you
can get a TV deal, right, right. But I do
(07:54):
think the real ones exist, and I've I've talked about
the one that that my partners onto, and I've listened
to those and just you know, tried to see if
she gave anything away while talking to the medium, and
the medium said things that blew me away that I'm like,
(08:14):
there's no fucking way, like only certain people would really
know what that reference meant. And she just fucking throws
it out there like it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
That's nuts.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, Like, I think she's the real deal. I can't
explain what she does and I've never had a reading
with her personally, so I can't comment on that. I
can only comment on the recordings of the the sessions
that that I've heard, But I don't know. She seems
legit to me, so I guess I went off on
(08:47):
a mega tangent there. But but I as a rule,
I don't think ghosts are dead people like in a haunting.
I think it may be possible for recently deceased to
appear briefly, like as a as a final goodbye, or
like a comforting gesture or something like that. I've heard
(09:10):
of that happening many times, and I think it's more
more of a comfort for the living than granting the
deceased and opportunity to stick around. And but anything that's
going to be persistent, I do not believe is a
(09:31):
human spirit trapped on earth.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
H Well, what we're going to talk about. I think
they might have the goal of this ow The goal
of this experiment was to find irrefutable audio, video, and
photographic evidence of the afterlife. And we'll get into what
they found, But I think they may have inadvertently proved
(09:55):
your theory there, because like as weird as ghost it happening,
it gets weirder than that. In nineteen ninety three, a
team of paranormal researchers from a group called the Skull
Experimental Group set out to do this study, five year
study to find irrefutable, reproducible evidence of the afterlife. The
(10:18):
way the team ran stuff which I'll get into some
of the things they did later. They were really really
dead set on providing no political, no religious, open to
everybody studies that would leave no question that could be
reproduced at any time to prove that there was an afterlife.
(10:39):
I didn't like. I said, I hadn't heard about this,
but this is considered one of the most important experiments
in that subject to ever be conducted, and I was
surprised to see it happened in nineteen ninety three as
early as that. But this team consisted of seven members,
Robin and Sandra Foy, They were longtime paranormal researchers, Dana
(11:01):
and Alan Bennett, who were renowned mediums, and then people
from the Experimental Group just the foundation, I guess, a
French woman named Mimi, a researcher named Kenned and a
friend of his names named Bennett. So the first attempt
that they made to get any type of evidence like
this was in January of ninety three, and they would
(11:23):
hold these experiments in the basement of the Foy's home.
It was like a window list just dank a European.
This is in England, so it's just an underground room.
And the first experiment was slow to start with, but
they began to hear knocks and whistles, which persisted for
(11:44):
a while. The team fell to touch a success when
an item that was on a table they were using
was suddenly knocked to the ground. They had no way
to explain that happening, so they figured that they were
onto something and they were doing just like the typical
stay out stuff like that your normal is anybody here
type of shit, So they that was their first session.
(12:07):
Their second session, the same thing happened. The knocks and
whistles persisted, and again something was knocked off the table
that they were using, but this time they had brought
an audio recorder, a tape recorder, and they immediately played
it back and they said that when they played it back,
there was like a slight static sound. It got louder
(12:30):
and started to build and build and get louder, and
as soon as whatever hit was on the table hit it,
that static sound stopped and it didn't return for the
rest of this audio recording. So they possibly attributed that
to something gathering enough energy to do something like that.
Have you ever heard of anything like that? I found
(12:50):
that pretty.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Interesting where I've heard of that, like where people that
are sensitive, you know, never like anything scientifically back but
where people that are sensitive are able to feel whatever
the entity is like manifesting energy and like they remember
I think it was unsolved mysteries. But the one about
(13:14):
the British dude who was a medium that had his
ghost sidekick.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, yeah, we covered that one.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, he had instances like that where he was able
to feel that it was manifesting the energy and then
feel like the big release of energy when it was
departing or moving an object or doing something you know hmm.
But there's no there's no like scientific backing for that.
It's for him, it's a feeling, but it's it's interesting
(13:42):
that he was able to to, you know, kind of
run commentary on it and say he's feeling this building
up and then something happens. It's right, but here they
were able to actually record something.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Yes, and throughout that summer they would get much of
the same, but they were really set on not doing
anything that could be called bullshit on. They would do
these sessions in this basement with absolutely no light on.
But what they would do is they had like a
(14:16):
glow in the dark vel crow like bracelets, like velcrow
straps that they would put on everybody's wrists and ankles
so that they can see where people's hands are. If
they try to take it off to pull a fast one,
you can hear the velcrow. They would put reflective tabs
on any steady surface like a table or any chair.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Damn, they weren't fucking around.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
No, they didn't want to do this for fame. They
were dead set on just proving that there is life
after death. They had thermometers set at ceiling and floor
level to monitor the temperature of the room. They even
kept the thermometer outside to compare the temperature to They
really would do things that would prevent any bullshit from happening,
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and they're very hesitant to do anything that could be
called into question. But during this time that summer, they
would see random lights, random orbs. They reported sudden whists
of smoke that would manifest out of nowhere, and they
even started to feel things that would pull on their clothes. Now,
the four Yers themselves, at this point, reluctantly, I have
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to say, started to use themselves as what they call transcommunication.
And we've heard of this. This is allowing permission for
whatever entities that are there to use their bodies to
speak through And I think we've talked about this before.
I find that scary. That's a level of possession, would
you agree, Mike.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Yeah, that's one hundred percent possession. It's just you're allowing
it right right.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
So, through doing these transcommunication sessions, they learned that they
were surrounded by spirits. There was a glows omorate of
spirit individuals, including doctors, researchers, and scientists that would communicate
the best they could with the team through them doing
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this trans communication. They said, by the end there was
thousands of people that would show up, but only a
few that would talk to them. But the human team
they called that group the spirit team. The spirit team
of all these ghosts I guess that would talk to
them the human team felt iffy about doing this transcommunication thing,
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like I mentioned, out of fear of being accused of
acting or trying to act up anything. So they just
decided to be pretty crafty about and ask the ghost
team what they should do, how should they continue with
their research, and they said that they should let Alan
and Diana be the transcommunicators as they were mediums, and
from that point on, the communication with the spirit team
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was much more reliable. After that, they soon got their
first piece of physical evidence. And again this is through
talking with what's there using this transcommunication, a spirit had
teleported a coin onto the table that they were using,
and they didn't know that it had done that. They
turned on the light and it was there and it
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was actually a coin that had been out of print
for thirty years.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
So what do you think of Was it like it
just materialized out of thin air?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Right? And they say that this they're in the dark,
and then we'll get into how that could be.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Did it like drop out of the sky and like
or did it.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Just appear on the ground, just appeared on the table.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Weird because I remember covering cases in the past with
like poltergeist activity where a coin fell from the sky
or fell from the ceiling onto the floor.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah, and then the matches, remember the matches that just
manifested out of the ceiling.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Or the rocks that rained down on the house for
no reason. Ghosts are dicks.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
They are naturally have that prankster element to them, and
I think they deserved that title. But the spirit team
would talk to them through this transcommunication. They they would
experience more bright lights and things. Soon started to levitate,
things that were around the room, and by nineteen ninety four,
the ghost team instructed the human team to leave a
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pad of paper and pencil on the floor and they
would just communicate with the humans through that. They would
just literally be in a dark room. The transcommunicator would
say something, you know, ask them something, and then they
would They basically found a way to communicate without having
to slightly possess people. This spirit team was full of
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like I said, doctors and scientists like they said. And
this spirit team recognized what they were doing. They reckon
what they were trying to do and felt that they
wanted to help them achieve the goal of proving to
the world that there's life after death. There's audio of
these these sessions and you can hear voices that come
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in and ask them, you know, is this the Skull
Experimental group And they all laugh, they're like yes, and
they the ghosts will tell them you're doing very important work.
We're all here to help you. We're all in this
to help you.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, that doesn't seem that doesn't seem right to me.
Like that seems to me, And this is verified that
these voices are not coming from anybody that's there, like
this is this is their their anomalous voices.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Well, they were talking through the transcommunicators until they did
the writing thing and then eventually, yes, voices come from nowhere.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So to me, that seems similar to like when when
people get communications from quote unquote aliens telling them you're
on the right path. Keep doing what you're doing. We're
behind you. We're not doing anything to help you, but
we're behind you. Go go like it gives me that
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sort of feeling, right. And we've talked so many times
about how fucking aliens and bigfoot and ghosts all seem
to be very similar. Oh and very infestations as well.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
And they all kind of share the trickster element.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
They sure do, but not in this case. They were
all very helpful. They said. There was thousands of these
entities that they spoke to, but the ones that would
help them in this team. They were all scientists and experts,
like I said, and they identified themselves as there was
four of them, William, Albert, Joseph and Edwin and they
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would regularly communicate with the human team. But there was
other entities that would come through. There was a woman
from the nineteenth century called Elizabeth Bradshaw and she was
like an uppity lady. There was a priest named Father
McKenna who would come through and through the transcommunicator and
they said that it was like any time that they
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were down, like nothing was happening, Father McKenna would show
up and make everybody laugh. And there's audio of the
transcommunicator Alan talking as Father McKenna and just cracking jokes
and lightning the mood and then just laughing. Is almost
like a bit of a stand up comedy clip. He
was just cracking jokes left and right and making everybody laugh.
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There was also an Indian guide named Rajie who would
pass on messages from the scientists to the human team
when they were not available, and there's audio of him talking.
Of course he has an accent, you know that it's
supposed to be some type of his. You know, they're
allowing them to talk. What do you think about that, Mike,
When people do this, when they allow things to talk
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through them and the accents there, do you think that
makes any sense?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Well, I mean if something were to be talking through
somebody and they had an accent, then yeah, it would
make sense. But also maybe maybe this uh trans medium
or whatever is just a really good voice actor and
he's just.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Trying things out. He's just going for it, and he's
all in.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, He's like this is this is Uh, he just
got out of Thursday Night improv and he's going ghost
hunting and he's going to try out some things that
he learned in his improv class while he's you know,
communicating with ghosts.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I would do it too.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Two Birds, one Stone, Yeah, I mean they're they're a
willing audience and you can test the things out, you know,
nice and nice and easy.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Well, like I said, all this is being documented. This
is all being a video filmed while they do this stuff.
They state that they have over a thousand hours of
video and audio evidence, and in nineteen ninety three. Another
cool thing happened in November one while they were doing
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one of these sessions, the group heard a series of
loud thumps and they remember they're in a dark room.
Everybody's fucking got glown the dark wrist things on and
when they turn on a light.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I just say they were at a rave, a ghost rave.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
But when they turn on the lights, there was an
item place in front of each person sat at the table.
There was a silver thimble, a silver chain bracelet, two
silver lockets, a Saint Christopher medallion, an ornate spoon with
a bowl, and a gold medallion with hieroglyphics on it.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, it's weird that they're able to just manifest these objects.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Right, and over the five year experiment they received over
seventy five of these items with no known origin. Yeah,
no known place of origin. They weren't there when they
started it, and with everybody's hands and feet visible, they
just appeared there.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
It kind of gives me like Skinwalker Ranch sort of
vibes right, like with just the level of interaction and weirdness.
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Well, this is another creepy part these The Spirit team
communicated to the human team that there there's far better
ways to do this communication. And they actually I don't
know if they used the paper to draw it, but
through their design, through their plans, Instructor instructed the team
to build what they called a spirit doorway. And this
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was like a set of mirrors.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
That were oh so, so, here's where where their plot
comes in. They're trying to build a fucking doorway between worlds. Okay,
it explains why they're being so helpful.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Oh my god, it's like watching a movie with my wife.
Wait for me to get to the Yeah, damn it,
I will not.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I will wipe the shit out of the tail.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
This is. They did build the spirit doorway. It consisted
of like a set of like three mirrors facing each
other and one in the middle, and they would point
two cameras at it, and they said this, the spirit
said that this would greatly increase the ease of communication
with them. You just recording and listening back to tapes, uh,
through the even through the transcommunicating all that stuff. And
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soon after they built this thing, they started to see
an increase in everything light, sound, whispers, whistles. They said,
they started to see shapes that would manifest into full
on solid apparitions.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, it's like the fucking the movie from Beyond. Now
they're they're teaching them how to build the fucking doorway
between the worlds, and you're gonna get these weird floating
tadpoleed lizard creatures that are gonna eat your face.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Well, isn't it crazy that these spirit things provided the
information to build this? And I mean it seemingly worked.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
I don't think it's strange at all. They went away
into our world. This was their intention all along. They
were That's why they were being helpful. They were developing trust,
developing trust among the humans. And they're like, yes, I'm
a stuffy old British woman and yes I'm the ghost
of a really awesome scientist guy. When in reality, they're
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fucking fairies and they tricked you into building a portal
into the fairy realm and then they come through and
they're like, oh, look look at us cast illusions in
your household. And it's going to get to a point
where you're going to walk down a hallway that didn't
exist yesterday, and you're gonna find all these rooms and
you start exploring rooms and you never find your way back.
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And now you're in the fairy realm, and you've got
some bastard fairy posing as you in the real world
and you can only see them through mirrors, and you
did it to yourself, your stupid son of a bitch.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I'm like, stacking mirrors like that, that's just to me.
It seems like asking for trouble. And we've all done
it as a kid, like hew the mirror.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
It's absolutely asking for trouble, especially when you're dabbling with
with entities from another realm. Stupid idiots, stupid, that's that's how,
that's how fucking centabyites get welcomed into our world.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
So I hope you're happy. Yeah, I think so too.
I totally agree. I don't do that. Don't do that ever,
especially with like three mirrors.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I'm going to use six mirrors. No, and virgin blood
in the circle of sealth.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
But that, like all the all the normal stuff increased.
They would hear knocking constantly on the walls, the chairs,
the tables, everywhere in the room, and uh that it
just sounds so nuts to have all this happen, with
all the fail safes they had in place, to see
them go through so much to make sure that none
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of this could be faked and record this much hours,
But you can look this up on YouTube. There's shit
that's ten minutes long on this stuff. There's stuff that's
three hours long on this stuff. So there's stuff that
has most of this footage, you know, I mean a
thousand hours. There's not a thousand hour video on YouTube
about it, but there's a lot of that stuff in there.
But certainly the Spirit team wanted to work on experiments
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that could be displayed to the public. And the regular
hunting stuff and communication continued, but they added that they
started to be sprinkled with water. And then this is
when they started to hear voices. Without any recording equipment
and without any transcommunication or anything like the Spirit doorway thing.
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They would just start hearing these scientists and spirits just
talk to them. Now, at this time, the Spirit team
wanted to do what they called the camera experiments. Now, Mike,
this is where it gets fucking weird. They instructed a
human team to get a thirty five milimeter camera hold
one of their sandses, and the spirits said to take photos.
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When they told them to take photos. Now, remember they're
in a pretty much a pitch black room. None of
these photos should come out nothing fuckings should show up
in these photos at all.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
So they weren't using a flash at all.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
No purposely no flash. And they tried this with tons
of things, Polaroid cameras that they would they would manipulate
the film to where they can take it out and
it wouldn't be exposed, and they would lay that on
the table while they had a session and then take
that out and put it back in its case and
then run it through the developer of the polaroid camera
and fucking do all sorts of crazy shit. But this
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first one was with this thirty five milimeter camera and
they told them to take fucking pictures when they told
them to, and the spirits would attempt to generate images
on the film, and Sandra was tasked with taking the photos.
And right off when they started it, orb appeared that
floated right up to Sandra and stayed there in front
of her face. So she just grabbed the camera and
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took a picture. After that, she waited for the team,
the spirit team, to let her know when to start
taking pictures, and they told her to go ahead, and
she just sat in her chair and pointed the camera
around and started taking pictures with this camera. And after
like five photos or so, she set the camera on
the chair that was next to her, and believe it
(30:31):
or not, this camera just started to take photos and
even wind itself by itself, taking photo after photo. And
I saw an interview with Sandra and she explains that
as they were sitting there, it's dark and there's no flash,
but they can hear the camera rise up from the
table and go around the room just taking random photos.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
That's very alarming.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah. So the team, of course took this film to
be developed, and when they got the film back, they
didn't think that it was their film. They thought they
got the wrong film. So they took it back and
the people who developed it said, no, this is your film.
And they continue to go through the photos and they
finally found a picture that they had taken outside of
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the house. They're doing this shit, and so they're like, Okay,
this is our photo. But the rest of the images
make no fucking sense whatsoever. There was a picture of
Saint Paul's Cathedral and a second picture of the same
image but sideways. There was an image of a wrecked
bus that was destroyed by bomb damage, and this one too,
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had a second print of it, but sideways. One was
the image of the front page of a newspaper from
nineteen thirty six. One was a photo of a group
of soldiers from World War One. One was a bright
light and there were multiple photos of groups of people,
including a wedding. Now, they wanted to investigate this with
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what they could with what they had. They requested a
copy of the nineteen thirty six newspaper and this I
found weird, Mike, And this is where it starts to
kind of fucking fall apart from me. They get the
newspaper and it's quote nearly identical. There's slight variations that
are off.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Like, what are these variations, What's what's going on? What's
the difference the stuff I watched, They didn't. I didn't
see them go into that.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I don't, but they have they I got to see
the photo that that was on the film, and it's
just like somebody's holding up a newspaper.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
That's fucking weird, man, it is.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
So that's the spirit team told them that these were
photos that they took when they were alive. So this
is more of what they were going after. This is
physical communication. They were able to manipulate something and produce
something that can't be done and it like that. Both
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the team and the ghost said that they want Their
goal is to be able to do this, that anybody
can be able to do this, and it would just
be irrefutable evidence. And this is this is a way
to do it. This is a big step towards physical evidence.
So the next week, the Spirit Team wanted to try
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an experiment where humans could control orbs that they would
have appear and control them with their mind, which they did.
They were able to. They have footage of this where
they're in a dark room but there's these perfect little
balls of light that are flying around and they make
them come to their hands and the balls of light
sit on their hands for a minute. But speaking of
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things falling apart, they were told by Raji that they
had something special in store and for them to do this,
they needed to drop the temperature in the room. They
need to gather all the energy they could from the
room to make this special thing happen, which they did.
They recorded the temper dropping rather significantly, and that's when
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the light show was interrupted by a loud voice that
came from nowhere. They said it was pretty deep and raspy,
and it said its name was Paxton and he would
not ordinarily be able to contact them on Earth.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
What do you mean he wouldn't be able to contact
I'm on Earth.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Mmm mmmm mmmm hmm. But the Council of Communion deemed
their work valuable. Remember I said she was going to
start falling apart. And they also said that there were
other councils.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Like maybe the Galactic Council.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Perhaps, yes, maybe, maybe.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
The Council of Bigfoot Gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Perhaps a Bigfoot gentleman.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
It's real, damn it. They sit around with monocles and
top hats and drink wine.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
I bet I believe it. But uh yeah, that's to me.
Like I said, this thing started to unravel there with
it not this is where it starts to not sound
like fucking ghosts anymore. Beird teams said they wanted to
really folk on a public test, and they had steps
to do this. They wanted to first invite others to
see what's happening, publish their work, and then demonstrate what's
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going on to the public. So they started to do
more experiments with the cameras. A second test with the
camera letting the spirits put shit on it, gave them
twenty two more photos of fucking Mount Saint Helen's fucking
the Statue of Liberty. All this weird.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
At least it wasn't like creepy ghost feet or something.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
No, that's that's going to come in a minute.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Oh shit, it's the ghosts in a plot twist, the
ghost create an OnlyFans account and only post pictures of
their feet. Yeah yeah, nasty dirty ghost feet.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
So they they thought that was rather successful, and they
that they can reproduce this at any time. And they
started to do this prep for these these public tests,
these four steps, and they allowed like one or two
people uh to come in and watch what was going on.
And the spirit team said, you know now and invite
a team of six people. And they said, during this
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time there was so many spirits there that while these
people were there sitting in the room, they can physically
see chairs moving that are being pulled up to the
table so that these spirits can sit and watch. They
said they would feel their clothes brush up against their
skin as they would make their way to go sit
down or find a good spot.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
They just wanted a spot to chill, that's all.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Right. So after this, they wanted to take a take
it a step further, and they started doing the same
type of test with video cameras, and there's a I'll
send you a link, Mike, I don't have the pictures
right now, fucking I'll send them to you. I'll screenshot them.
This is where things get really weird. There's there's a
lot of images that come up, but there's some images
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that like look like human meat. They look awful. It
looks like a cross between the cover of Metallica's Load album,
like with a piece of fucking steak behind it. But
there'll be a perfect image of somebody's head in the middle.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
That's weird.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yes, it's weird, like turned to the side, like they're
not paying attention. And they just started to get really
really bizarre and strange imagery from these video cameras. But nonetheless,
it was a successful test. So they go back to
their stuff and normal things keep happening. All the crazy
shit they're they're gonna do some more tests that they
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can display to the public. There's an entity that comes
around after this galactic Council of Peanut Butter or whatever,
and they start to learn that.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
That's a council, I can get behind the galactic console, like, like,
just imagine how awesome. Like intergalactic peanut butter is like
peanut butter grown under different your peanut plants, grown under
different conditions across the galaxy. They come together and it's
like it's like a chili cookoff, but everyone goes and
tries the different types of peanut butter. Man, that's a
(38:08):
place I want to go to. Like, who do I
have to fucking bang to get a ticket to that place?
Please email me. I'm very willing. I love peanut butter man.
I can't help it.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Me too, Me too? Who does well? There's a lot
of people who don't, but I feel sorry for them
and we hate them. The spirit team started to explain
that they can also communicate with beings from other dimensions
what the human team was doing, and with their help,
they there were things that were joining them that were
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not spirit people. So they continue to get ready for
this public test. And for this public test, they have
a lot of people, a lot of professors, skeptics, journalists,
people from NASA that are there to check every fucking
thing about this test. They're going to do the camera
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test and they have a bunch of fucking people show
up and they do the camera tests and it's successful.
They have a thing that will they'll develop the film
right there, and it's very successful. So they have the
Spirit team tell them like, do this, fucking do this.
Have somebody go get a brand new fucking canister of
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thirty five millimeter film, tell them to bring it here.
So they do that, and they bring it there and
it's still in its box. They open it out of
the box, they check the canister that it's in. It's
all fine. They close it. They tape the box back
up and had the guy who got it signed the
tape to show that it's the same box, and they
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put it on the table. The Spirit say wait a
few minutes. They take it out, they develop it. It's
full of a bunch of weird fucking photos. So they
want to take it a step further and they take
another canister of film and they put it in a
blackout bag. It's a sealed bag, and they put it
on the floor. And I'm gonna say they didn't get
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much with this test, but they did get this one image. Mike,
I'm gonna send it to you, and this should not
be happening at all. If there's no flash on the camera,
no light being.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
I'm gonna tell you right now, if this is a
ghost butthole, I'm gonna be very perturbed.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Oh my god, I didn't see that, but you might
be right. Oh my, I don't even think I could
show this now. That's disgusting.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
This really is a ghost butthole. The fuck but Tao,
look at it. It's got a pucker in everything. God
damn it, it does it does? Oh my eyes, mine eyes.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
God, the first ghost asshole caught on film.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
A little warning next time, we're gonna have to slap
it and not safe for work.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Sticker on this when you put it in this context,
like like not even a little bit.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
It's just I was just joking before I saw the picture,
but it really is. It really fucking is. Oh my god,
the ghosts were just and those particles are just fart particles.
The ghosts just farted in there right in their fucking camera.
It just beefed it, let it out.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
So the public demonstration was successful. They were gonna, you know,
continue their work, but something happened to where.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
But they put it behind a paywall, and that's how
OnlyFans was created.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
We have more ghost asshole photos, but it's gonna cost
you seven ninety nine a month.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
There's also a few nipples out there, Oh.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Shit, ghost nips. I'm in.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
But they're close up so you don't know if they're
if they're male or female ghost nips. They're just close
up on nips.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
You just get what you pay for seven ninety nine
a little cheape.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah, it's it's like a it's like a visual glory whole.
You don't know. He can, he can beat up to
it if you want, but you know, you might be
it might might not be what you're looking for. You
don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
You're taking the risk, and that's part of the fine
of Lord Hooles.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yes, yes, it's a it's a literal shot in the dark.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
But yeah, I'm sorry something, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
I'm sorry people.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Something happened that had the school experimental group shut down
this five year experiment instantaneously. That's that interdimensional being that
I said.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
That was it for indecency.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
No, they werefore that they needed money, but that that
interdimensional being that the spirit team talked about started to
manipulate the spirit doorway by itself, who.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Saw that one coming. Yeah, certainly not me getting ahead
of the game and wiping the ship out of the Taio.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
So I mean that's these things can clearly fucking commune undicate.
There's multiple ways to communicate, of course they can. And
there's still something there that's trying to be fucking sneaky,
trying to go undetected, trying to do something it's not
supposed to do. Like I said, you can look this
all up and watch a lot of the videos. There's
(43:18):
a lot of uh interviews with the team from the
experimental group that did this. I find it rather interesting
that it took that turn like kind of quick the
council for a communion being able to talk to Earth,
what the fuck does that mean?
Speaker 2 (43:35):
But even with that in mind, they're the fucking aliens. Man,
Maybe they're not aliens. They're they're fairies. They're absolutely faye,
And that's that's what's up.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't know, like just
there's it just really quickly turned into having a lot
of aspects. It's it's there's so much footage over a
thousand hours, they say, over a thousand hours of communication voices,
video footage of the lights and everybody being in the
(44:06):
room and talking to these fucking things. It's crazy. It's crazy,
so it would I mean, I mean this really supports
that maybe it's not people. There's manipulation going on in
the end enough to make them concerned enough to fucking
close the whole thing down.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Maybe it was the men in black.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Who knows, man, I don't know. I just found it
fascinating that there's a case like this with so much
evidence that, I mean, go to YouTube, look it up.
I'll put some of the show notes so you guys
can just see for yourself. They wanted to prove life
after death, and I mean, like you said, we all
could be being misled when it comes to things like this,
but it almost seems like they've proved that there's something
(44:44):
out there.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, and to me, this more proves my point that
these aren't the spirits of the deceased. Like these things
were manipulating these people from the get go. They're making
the human connection so that they could been a fucking
doorway so they could just walk right in, and you know,
they developed the trust, and then once they developed the trust,
(45:08):
they started to manipulate that trust and be like, hey,
look we can communicate this way, and then oh, hey,
we can communicate this way. And then they're like, Okay,
you know what, We've got an even better way. You
can make the communication so much better, but you got
to develop a doorway so we can walk in, and
they just fucking they might as well put down a
(45:30):
red carpet.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
M you don't know what you're medicine with. Man, there's
no I mean it sounds like they fucking activated that
a hydron collider and shit started to show up.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Yeah. Literally, they've got a picture of it. Ghosts taking
a dump right on that camera.
Speaker 4 (45:47):
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(46:12):
again for listening and have a great week.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
And SEC.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
And something second and s.
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S S S S S S.
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