March 13, 2025 • 50 mins
Over the past few years, it has seemed like we may be heading toward some sort of official disclosure. UAPs and the talk of alien bodies have moved away from the fringe to getting mainstream coverage. Is it strange, then, that we are seeing history budget cuts to the FAA as well as budget cuts for National Parks Service? Are these “Budget cuts” an attempt to cover-up possible evidence or witnesses to paranormal activity? This week we discuss the Federal budget cuts and put on our Alex Jones masks to wildly speculate about the true purpose of these cuts. We also get into discussion about the Bennington triangle disappearances, and Bigfoot is still a fairy ghost alien.
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
What's up everybody. Thanks for listening to the what Cast. Mike,
you were just talking about how you survived the snow apocalypse. Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Well it's an I mean, winter's not over yet, so
congratulate me. In another three months and we'll see what's
going on. I wish I was exaggerating, No, thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
The North sucks. I fucking hate it. I want to
blow it up and throw hand grenades at all the snow.
It's just it's making me miserable.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well, we got a fun one to talk about tonight.
I'm pretty fond of mysterious what they call mysterious triangles,
areas where weird shit just happens. I mean, that's gotta
be one of the earliest things that we probably both
ran into as a kid when it comes to paranormal stuff, right,
was the Great Bermuda Triangle.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
So I'm gonna talk. I want to.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I want to put this out before we even get
into the triangle stuff. I'm gonna channel my inner Alex
Jones tonight, and I and and and I don't mean
that and that I'm going to accuse people with murdered
family members that they didn't get murdered and they're all phonies.
Not not that Alex Jones, but the u waggy conspiracy
(01:38):
theorist Alex Jones.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
What a guy? What what a what a route that
guy took? Man?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, yeah, he uh, he is definitely a character, that guy.
But I think I think a lot of it is
is all phony anyway, and I think he kind of
went a little he dipped his toes a little too
far in there, and you know, now you pay the piper, buddy,
So I'm not going to be doing any of that bullshit.
(02:04):
But I just want to throw it out there that
this is going to go down the crazy conspiracy theory
rabbit hole, and it's mostly going to be based on
nothing about my own imagination.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So if for for.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
People that are into that sort of thing, that's that's
what you got to expect tonight. But I'm gonna talk.
I'm going to start this whole thing off by talking
about the Bennington triangle. And I know we've might have
talked about it before. Matteo and I discussed we couldn't
figure out if we had talked about this before or not,
but you know, here we are talking about it again
(02:37):
or for the first time.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Either or yeah, either way, either way, either way, I'm
excited and I'm excited to hear your skeptical point of
view when it comes to triangles in particular. And like
I think I said it a couple shows ago, conspiracy
is seeming to make more sense than the explanations were
given for things these days. So conspiracy it up, buddy,
Oh I will.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So the case that's are the cases that are primarily
referenced when dealing with the Bennington triangle is talking about.
They're called the Bennington disappearances specifically, but they typically refer
to five particular cases that took place between the years
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of nineteen forty five and nineteen fifty and there I
would say that these are early examples of the missing
four on one stuff. I'm not well versed enough in
all of the missing four on one cases, like I
haven't read all the books and everything, so maybe this
is covered in them early on, but these all fit
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that that profile. So among these five, and these five
were the most well known, but there were disappearances that
happened before and after, but for some reason these five
get clumped together. There is a weird death that I'll
get to that occurred earlier on, but because they actually
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found the body, so it's not included in the disappearances,
but it's still a weird death, so I think maybe
it could kind of be related if we're gonna tie
these things together, which because I'm going down a conspiracy
rabbit hole, I plan on doing. So we'll start with
the first case among these Bennington disappearances, which happened November
(04:28):
nineteen forty five, and it was a disappearance of a
man named Middy Rivers who was seventy four years old,
who was a very experienced outdoorsman, regular hunter. He knew
the area like the back of his hand. He was
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out on a hunting trip with his son in law
and they had separated just for there. It was supposed
to be a couple of minutes. One was going to
go down one trail, the other down the other. Then
they were going to come back and meet up. But
Middy Rivers was never seen again. There was an extensive
search that was done in the area where they were,
(05:14):
and the only thing that was recovered was a solitary
rifle cartridge that was left behind. Nothing else was fond
of him, no footprints, no clothing items, nothing just completely disappeared.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Everything about him gone.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, the only just that bullet casing that was a Yeah,
there was another disappearance. Well, there wasn't another disappearance that
occurred until a little over a year later, in December
of nineteen forty six, when an eighteen year old college
student named Paula Jean Weldon went for an afternoon hike.
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There were witnesses that said they saw her walking down
the trail and they saw her turning a corner and
then she was gone. No one ever saw her again.
There was extensive search done in the area. Never there
was no evidence of a struggle, no evidence that anyone
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had followed her, no blood, nothing, just she was gone.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
When you hear of them, just absolutely vanishing like that.
Do you kind of rule out any type of foul player.
There's usually some type of evidence of something like that.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, I mean, so this is in the forties, so really,
who knows what is you know, I don't know what
the forensic technology was at the time, but I've got
to assume it was probably nowhere. They probably had a
couple of detectives out there looking around being like, I
don't know, I don't see anything, and then I don't know,
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maybe it was more extensive than that, but they weren't
able to find any evidence. But then nothing happened again
for a few years. But then in December of nineteen
forty nine, exactly three years after the disappearance of Paula Weldon,
there was a really strange disappearance that happened. James Tedford
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was boarding a bus in Saint Albans and I forget
to mention the Bennington Triangles in Vermont, so anyone familiar
with the Vermont area. He was boarding a bus in
Saint Albans and he was seen on the bus right
up to the last stop before Bennington, but when the
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bus reached the last stop at Bennington, he was no
longer on the bus and no one ever saw him again.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I've seen many many videos and stories and write ups
on that case. That is such a bat wing case
because I mean, the guy was seen by everybody, they
just didn't see him like a lave though.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
He just again yeah, turned and he never got off.
They assumed he was going to be getting off in Bennington,
and he just never did and no one heard from
him or saw him again after that.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
That was a rap for him. Nobody heard from him again.
That's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And then in nineteen fifty there was disappearance of an
eight year old named Paul Jepson, and he was just
briefly left unattended by his mother and completely disappeared. There
was a police search to look for him. They had
bloodhounds that were tracking him. They were able to track
his scent to the same highway where Weldon disappeared earlier,
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and they just they that from there he was gone.
Never found him again, never heard from him.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That was it.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Okay, So tracked to the same highway. This sounds like
a regular abduction. Now this is taking a hmm. Has
there any been any speculation about a you, real abductor
or killer in the area at any.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Point, Not that I'm aware of, other than the Bennington Monster.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Oh she yet?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Oh yeah, Bennington Monster. It's really just another it's a
local lesnime for a bigfoot.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
But we'll get to that.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
So, sixteen days after Paul Jebson disappeared, Free to Langer
also disappeared. She was hiking near Somerset Reservoir with her
cousin and while while hiking, she fell into a stream
and got wet, so she left to change, and she
said I'll be right back, and then she never came
(09:39):
back instead, but they actually found her body eventually, but
her body was so decomposed that they were unable to
determine her cause of death or what happened to her.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Wow, and that was with other people. She just went like,
I mean how far She.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Just separated briefly to change and was never found from,
never heard from again, and so like a lot of
these are like the missing four one one case. Like,
like I mentioned, people just disappear. They go around a
corner and they're gone, or mom turns her back and
the kid's gone. Like we've talked about those classic missing
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four on one cases, like the kid that was berry
picking and went behind a bush and never came out again.
And then with there were stories among the missing four
on one cases where people were gone and they were
able to hear the people calling them, but it was
like echoe and like almost like they weren't really there.
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And some people report having some sort of hairy animal
or giant dog or giant bear keep them safe or
warm or feed them.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, I remember when we really really took a good
look into the missing four one one stuff and I
remember doing a lot of reading and a lot of stuff.
I watched a lot of his talks, a lot of
his lectures, hours and hours and hours of his stuff,
and I had to laugh after every lecture U, because
it's like your fairy connection to things. Like, at the
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end of really taking a look at that stuff, I
had to be like, Jesus, is our fucking fairies taking people?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Baby, but I mean I've been I've been saying it
for years. Fairies or ghosts, aureliens or demons or gin
it's all the same.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Shit, so probably, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
But the weird thing is like if we're if we're
looking at it from like just your your I don't
want to say mundane perspective, because this is anything but
a mundane situation. But if you're if you're like trying
to rationalize this and say this is the job of
a of a serial killer or a serial abductor or whatever,
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none of these people fit the same profile. You've got
people from eight to seventy four, both men and women.
It's uh, I don't know, it seems unless you've got
like a indiscriminate serial killer that just randomly is like
whoever I see is who I'm killing. But typically if
you've got a serial killer, they've got some sort of
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profile that they stick.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
With, not usually dressing like a bear and keeping children
safe either.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
No, no, certainly not. And the other thing is if
it was somebody that was abducting people, especially like the
case of the eighteen year old girl who went around
the corner and it was never seen again, there's going
to be some evidence of a struggle, especially if it's
an adult.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Like you could say, yay, you could scoop.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
An eight year old up and throw them over your
shoulder and run, but chances are that kid's gonna scream
and you would hear that. And also if it's an adult,
there's going to be some sort of struggle, and also
they're probably going to try to scream. There was no
evidence in any of these cases of a struggle, no footprints,
no missing items, nothing except for the one bullet casing.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, there's not a long history of brilliant serial kill.
There's either there would have been a fucking a handful
of fucking smoked cigarette butts on the floor, a beer
can or some shit.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Like that, right something, Unless you've got a serial killer
who can telepathically paralyze and levitate their victims and then
tuck them away into a pocket dimension for safe keeping.
That's the only way that you're gonna be able to
get this amount of people without any sort of struggle,
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especially in the woods. Like it would be one thing
if it was you know, someone hitch hiking and then
they were never seen again, Like sure, they got picked
up by somebody in a car and then they got
off somewhere and that that's that. But you're in the
middle of the fucking woods. Like, if you're gonna be
murdered in the middle of the woods, there's there's gonna
be evidence that you were abducted. Like, you're not gonna
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just even if even if they had like a vehicle
to take you away, you're gonna find tire tracks, You'll
be able to hear a motor run something and with it.
With a lot of these cases happening in close proximity
to other people, like that's what makes it so weird.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Right, people would be witnessing other people coming with vehicles
that there these people are supposed to be being taken
out and you know, yeah, too many holes in that story, right.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
And then there's always the whole. They just got lost
and died, you know, a diet of exposure, got attacked.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
By an animal or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
But again, a lot of these were in close proximity,
and if they got attacked by an animal, you'd think
there would be a scream or something.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
And there would be most definitely be evidence of that, right.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And there'd be blood, yeah, yeah, exactly, Probably a shoe
being kicked off in the struggle. There'd be you know,
there would be definite evidence of that.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
If it was me, they'd find like my pants full of.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Shit, yeah yeah, and some some sweaty socks. But yeah,
they none of that. So it makes me wonder what's
going on. And I'm gonna beat the fairy drum for
a minute, but I think it's that sort of thing.
(15:12):
It's it's someone getting pulled into this other reality, and
who knows what happens to them there. Maybe they're eating,
maybe they're killed, Maybe they're living out the rest of
their days there. I don't fucking know. I've never been
to fairy World, so I don't presume to understand what
goes on there.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Maybe you turn into a.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Fairy when you go to fairy World, and now you're
a fairy fucking with other people being a dick.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I don't know's that's what I tend to believe what happened.
I mean, like I kind of believe that there's definitely
something going on the fairy thing. I mean, we can
look at all the different types of fairies and what
they do and what they're capable of throughout you know, history.
You've talked about them in a great in great detail,
and uh, there's definitely something going going on that doesn't
(15:56):
seem right. And it seems like there's some many different
things that are going on, people vanishing, especially with the
Missing four and one stuff. You remember that voicemail that
the guy left for He was just screaming, and there's
like weird sounds happening, you know, There's there's such a
weird variety of stuff that's going on there.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, And I've talked about Bigfoot being a ferry too,
which relates to this because of the Bennington Monster, which
is a local legend in the area of Bennington and
the surrounding area. You know, basically the triangle as I
really hate the terms triangle because like they're never a
(16:39):
fucking triangle. It's like more like a trapezoid or a
big circle or a Meeba shaped blob. It's it's bullshit,
Like it's like calling somewhere that has a lot of
UFO activity, the such and such Roswell. It's not fucking
Roswell because Roswell is in New Mexico, so you know,
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Or like any sort of scandal is something gate when
water Gate was Watergate for a very specific reason. And
you can't just throw gate on something because it's a
fucking scandal. It's bullshit and it pisses me off.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Right, any paranormal creatures a skinwalker.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Now, yes, yeah, it's no longer a when to go guys,
it's a skin walker.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Haha. Yeah, when to go you're out?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, fuck you? When to go? Go get a job,
you fucking bump.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah. But I mean, like, you know, you kind of
got to go the very route with these things in
these stories. In my mind, I mean, you're talking about
pocket dimensions. I don't know. It blows my mind that
people want to debate pollades work instead of like ignore
cases where people have seen other people walking into invisible
something and disappear, you know, like that's the type of
shit we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I mean, he's he's the face of it, you know,
he's the one that's putting the information out there.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
He's the one, and and he.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Does have some some sketchy stuff in his past, so right, right,
it's fair to criticize him. And he's you know, maybe
maybe while his cases a lot of them are compelling,
maybe he draws the wrong conclusion in some of them.
Like remember when we covered that the original Missing four
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one one documentary, and like, none of the cases on
there were even that compelling, Like it all seemed like
they were people that either got lost in the woods
or the little kid was probably abducted by grandpa's creepy friend.
And like he didn't offer any of the cases that
he's talked about in the in a lot of his
appearances on other podcasts or whatever. They didn't seem to
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even try to go and connect it with the paranormal
all that much, which which I thought was weird. I'm like,
you're you're putting this out there's being this great mystery,
and you just offer us some bullshit that probably unsolved
mysteries wouldn't even really consider they like, duh, this kid
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was abducted, Like what are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Right, right. I think I think everybody's got to put
like a true crime twist on their ship these days.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yea. And that's probably what he did, he because I
know in the next one that he came out with
like he leaned real heart into the paranormal stuff. So
it's probably just like dangling the carrot, trying to get
people to invest in his theory, you know, just kind
of let it percolate a little bit, and then he
then with the second comes out like, oh, I gotta
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see what's going on in this one, and he's like,
gotcha paranormal motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
But I I know, like a lot of a lot
of people that talk about the missing foreone or theorize
about the missing for a one one thing, well frequently
attach it to aliens or Bigfoot. In this case, there's
not so much attention being drawn to aliens, but there
is stuff being drawn to the Bennington Monster.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
You would think there would be a lot of attention
drawn to the UFO thing when there's no tracks or
any evidence of people being taken out of these places. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, it's almost like like that's my biggest thing with
the people that are connecting it to Bigfoot.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Or say a squatch or whatever you.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Want to call it, because again, this is if you're
looking at it as being something that's flesh and blood.
This thing's coming out of wherever, grabbing somebody and dragging
them away. So again no, but you could argue this
person that a bigfoot is huge and strong, so maybe
he could throw a regular sized adult over his shoulder,
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like a regular sized adult could throw an eight year
old over his shoulder, and you know, call it a day.
But before these five cases happened, there was a weird
case that was reported in nineteen forty three. So there
was a hiker named Carol Herrick who was a hunter
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who had gone out and disappeared in the woods. Three
days after his disappearance, his body was found and according
to the reports, his body was surrounded by these large footprints,
and his body looked as though he had been squeezed
to death or crushed, and they said his skeleton looked
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like it had been in a car accident, like his
bones were broken, he was mangled and.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
You know dead.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, And so this was blamed on the Bennington Monster,
which is the local flavor of bigfoot that had been
reported for over two hundred years. But it's a you know,
your typical bigfoot thing, big hairy, hominid ape man thing.
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So I don't know, you know, if this guy was
was maybe he fell victim to Bigfoot, or or if
maybe something else happened and Bigfoot was.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Like what the fuck is this? You know, maybe maybe
it was like the.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Equivalent of a kid poking a dead bird with a stick,
Like Bigfoot.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Just walks up. What's his dead body doing? Poke? Poke?
It's like, oh shit, it's dead.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Just steps on it for fun, like probably a human
would do.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Crunch.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Oh that's gross.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I'm gonna get a raw hold on.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
There's also something something in uh local native legend called
the man eating Stone of Glastonbury Mountain.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
There was yeah, how how cool is that?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, but apparently it's a stone that's on the mountain.
No one who has seen it has lived. The Native
Americans of the area knew it, and they would warn
the you know, the the settlers or whoever to stay
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away from this because it's it's supposed to be a
large rock that's large enough to stand on, but when
someone stands on it, the rock becomes malleable, like like
quicksand and it'll swallow whoever stands on top of it.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
But but also think about that, like if this is
a rock that they're saying swallow someone, what if this
is actually a gateway disguised as a rock, you know,
rather than the rock being a living thing.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Maybe the rock.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Is is the gateway and it's able to you stand
on it and you fall through the gate.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
And that's that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
What if there's entities that take you to the rock
and throw you through.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
This gate, Yeah, yeah, because they know it's there and
you it thrown. Maybe that's what the uh, that's what
Sam Squanch does. He grabs you and throws you through
the rock gate.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yikes.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
But with that being said, even though there's this this
man eating rock, the natives of the area considered the
Glastonbury Mountains specifically which is the home of the man
eating stone, to be sacred rather than a cursed place,
and they they consider this such hollowed ground that they
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would only permit it to be used as a burial
ground by the by their people.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
But that this is this is I think this rock
is is more the key than than sightings of this
This beast uh and I and I think that this
is kind of that this is similar to that that
story we talked about with the guy who was walking
down the trail and he kind of shimmered and then
just disappeared. The witnesses sam ship and then he disappeared
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mid step, and I think that's kind of similar to
what happened. Maybe that was but that seemed to have
happened just on the trail. Maybe that was just a
temporary gate that opened up and he walked through it.
Maybe it was by chance, maybe it was intentional. Maybe
it was like a trap and he got pulled through.
And maybe that's the case for these rocks. Maybe it's
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more than just one rock, and maybe it's it's there
to catch people that are exploring that don't know the area.
It's it's set up specifically for them. So it's like, Oh,
I'm climbing over this rock to get to the other.
Oh no, I'm falling through on getting eaten by fairies.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
You you have to think that if it's happening at a
frequency frequency to where they're avoiding the area and telling
visitors not to go there because there's a rock there
that'll eat you. I think that statistically has to be
many many rocks, or maybe the rock moves, oh gosh.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Like maybe maybe it's a specific rock, but like the
whoever sets the trap up like it just takes the
form of the same rock every time, so.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
They're like, oh shit, it's that rock.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
And then so they know they know the rock by shape,
and so when they see it, they like say the
fuck away from that rock, dude. But like, how do
you describe a rock to to some somebody you know
who doesn't even really.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Speak your language.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
The look out for the really big rock. It's big
enough to climb on, and it's shaped kind of like
a pentagon, but also slightly lopsided, and it's got one
angle on the left side that's just a little more obtuse.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Than the other side.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
And the guy's just looking at like a big rock
that you can climb on in a mountain. No one
saw it coming.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Right, you know. Maybe maybe avoiding the area means that
it's difficult to spot, you know, they're just like just
don't fucking go there.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, or or maybe it was just the natives and
they're just like, stay the fuck off our mountain, dude.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
You get eaten by rocks.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, and they're like, oh shit, you got living rocks
that eat people.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Fuck they fuck that moment. That's what I would be like, good, yeah,
stay away from our shit. Mm hmm. But I think
it's it's a.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Portal to another dimension, portal to the fairy world.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
You go through and.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Then your soul gets eaten. Wacos fuck around and find out.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Well, there's a lot of like you've talked about before,
when people get trapped by the fairies, their time moves different,
you know, maybe, like you said, I've always had a.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, like it could be a couple of times, you
know that they think they're they're gone for minutes and
they come back and it's been years. Yeah, they're like, dude,
I I just had dinner and fell asleep and woke up,
and what do you mean it's been years?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah. I wonder what's going on to make time move
like that and you not notice. I wonder if it's
like an insanely enjoyable place to be, you know, and
that's a lot of people just choose to stay or
can't break free for that.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
It's it's probably something that exists outside the fourth dimension,
so that time doesn't work in the same sort of
way when when you're outside of it, because we we
viewed time as being linear, and I think when you're
in that sort of when you're in that world or
that realm or dimension, however the fuck you want to
(28:20):
call it, I think that that space and time aren't
observed in the same way there. So, because you're used
to observing it in a linear fashion, to you, it
seems like only minutes have gone by. Meanwhile, like a
decade has gone by, or or you know, maybe you're
maybe you're a Rip van Winkle sort of guy, and
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forty years or I don't even I can't remember the story,
but long time goes by. It's been it's been a
while since I've read local folk tales. But you know
that that sort of thing is what's going on. It's
just the time isn't being observed in the same way
that you observe it in our reality. So because you're
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used to observing it one way, or your body and
mind are trying to comprehend what's going on in one way,
and so it just seems like it was minutes when
really it was hours or years or days or whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, or they're just like feeding you pumpkin pie Mountain
dew all day and you're like, I'm not leaving.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, you're like, oh fuck Thanksgiving every day. Hell yeah, yeah,
thanks fairies.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Then they get pissed off because you call them fairies
and they start poking in shit, and then they rip
your soul apart. It's just what they do.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Man, eat your body and leave like a glowing form
behind it, and then eat that.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, they eat your body first, and then like the
delicacy is that glowing essence you leave behind, and they
fucking stick a straw in there and just slurp that
shit up like a slush.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Well, miss Nikki was saying, you don't hear much about
the Bermuda Triangle anymore. What do you make of that,
because it kind of seems like they consider that kind
of solved. There's so many things that people are like, Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Bought a Bermuda Triangle. I never really bought into it
was fucking It's just it's it's a big stretch of
ocean between three places that are frequently traveled, so of
course you're gonna have wrecks and shit that happened, and uh,
you know that that's you're gonna they're all gonna be
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attributed to the Bermuda Triangle because that's where it happened.
But I don't think the Bermuda Triangle is the cause
of it. I just think it's a well traveled route,
and as a result, because there's more things traveling there,
there's more bad things that happen there.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Right, I remember actually seeing somebody using that or giving
that explanation. The amount of air traffic that happens in
that area too small, like Cesna's passenger planes cargo. It's
just the rate goes up. Dude, that's all right.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
And that's not to say that.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Weird shit, doesn't it, Like like the flight nineteen thing,
still fucking that, that's still really weird to me right
to this day. They were never found the hole we're
entering whitewater, What the fuck does that mean? And there's
just so many weird things. And then the search crew
went out and disappeared as well. Mm hmmm, like that,
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that's fucking weird. That's really fucking weird. And then the
case with the guy flying the Sessana that that cut
forty five minutes out of his trip by going through
a vortex. That's that's tough to explain as well.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Right, So I just don't like that everybody ignores the
Reermuter triangle when there's stories like that. I mean, we
talked about that dude going through that that vortex, and
there's there you can go watch one hundred anything is
with the guy. He still sticks with his story. He
still says that's what happened. It's I think it should
still be looked at.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah, but I don't think it's I don't think it's
the area itself, you know. I don't think that between
these three points there's there's a curse and and if
you go through there you're gonna drown or explode or
get eaten by a well or whatever. That's I I
don't think that that's necessarily the case. I think it's
weird shit happens. And I know, like there's there's a
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lot of stories of weird shit happening in the ocean.
And we could talk about fucking alien bases in the
water if you if and and say that maybe some
of those are caused by that. We could talk about
ferry gates and say it's that's that's what goes on.
They hit a faery gate and then then they get
fucked and and sink and disappear forever. But I don't
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think it's necessarily that area. I just think it's because
there's more travel that happens in that area, that there's
more reports of the weird shit happening. And if you're
if you're you know, setting up faerry traps, why not
set up a faery trap where there's going to be
something that flies into it. It would be like a
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spider setting up the web where it knows it's going
to be getting food.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
It's not gonna.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Set up the web where there's where it has no
hope of food. That would just be silly in a
waste of energy.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Now, going with your faery theory, do you think that
at some point in time that humans figured this out
on an official level and just kind of made these
areas where these things like to be, you know, and
kind of just somewhat made it difficult to go into,
you know, you got to pay all this type of.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I think that there's I think that there's certain areas
that we know about, and I think a lot of
them are in the national parks, which is why we've
got such a large amount of missing four on one
cases in the national parks system specifically. And this is
where I'm going to put my Alex Jones head on,
(33:59):
because they are.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
All all all the all of.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
US Americans anyway are able to We're all hearing about
all these federal jobs and federal layoffs and budget cuts
and all that, and fear Musk is is going nuts
with the with the chopping block. But the one there's
two specifically two layoff or two department layoffs that I
(34:28):
want to talk about specifically, one being the f A
A and the other being the all the layoffs that
have happened with National park employees. The f a A Hay,
they laid off a bunch of people there, and we've
been seeing a lot of plane crashes as a result
the the federal government. And and I'm not gonna I've
(34:51):
got to address the federal federal government, the current administration.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Just because of.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
The layoffs are happening as a result of that. I'm
not going to go down to political road. I'm staying
clear of that bullshit. But the the layoffs that are
happening in a lot of these well I shouldn't say
a lot, because most of them I don't give a
fuck about. But you know, fire fire, all the I
R s for all I here, but the the f
(35:18):
a A. We're already seeing the fallout from that, Like
there's I feel like plane crashes are happening almost as
frequently as mass shootings now in the US, which is
fucked up no matter which way you look at it.
But it's interesting that the FAA is being being cut
(35:39):
down at a time when we are getting more and
more attention given to UH, to the UFO subject. We're
we're seeing, you know, it's mainstream news regularly. There's there's
hearings at Congress. There's people that are taking this very
(36:00):
seriously now and trying to get more information on this
within within Congress. The people within Congress are finally taking
it seriously, and I think most of these people are
completely out of the loop with what's going on, so
they're kind of getting upset about it because they are
working in the government and they're being left in the
(36:23):
dark about this as well, so they're now that it's
affecting them. It's it's you know, it's a big deal
because you screw the little man.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I want to know now, and I'm i am.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Government, man, I come from the government, and and they
don't get that information. And so now they're pissed off.
So they're they're starting to call these people and get
this information. And now we're getting the FAA cuts. And
I wonder if maybe this has something to do with
trying to keep this under wraps. And I know when
(36:56):
when Trump came into office, he said that he wanted
to get disclosure moving. That was one of the promises
he made was that he any information on UFOs and
he wanted the public to get But as we also know, A,
politicians are liars and b from what we've heard from
Bill Clinton, he tried to get into it and was
(37:18):
told that it was above his pay grade. So the
president is, at the end of the day, is the
mascot of America. And that's that's about the extent of it.
He signs the fucking the checks so to speak. I mean,
not not literally, but he signs off on law. So
it's essentially the same thing. You know, you got to
you gotta get the permission signed from Dad. But at
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the end of the day, he's just he's just the mascot.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Man. It doesn't fucking matter.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Right, right, So he can say he wants to cover
it up. But if if the the real powers that be,
you know, the military contractors, Like I don't even want
to say it's the fucking military at this point.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I think it's a bu and beyond what.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
A lot of high ranking officers are even privy to
in the military. I think this comes from the private
sector at this point. But we could be seeing these
cuts coming through, like using these cuts kind of as
an excuse to cut certain positions that might be viewing
(38:22):
future UAP activity. And in the same sense, we might
be seeing these cuts because the National Park they got
hit hard man. Like I heard at one point that
they the plan was that they were only going to
be like three full time employees at Yellowstone. I don't
know how true that is. I've heard that early on
(38:44):
when they announced the cuts. But they cut like over
three thousand jobs for the National Parks Association.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
And they the National Park they did get fifty fifty
five zero position re hired after the budget cuts, but
like I said, they cut over three thousand positions. But
they did also say that they were going to be
hiring a lot of temporary employees for.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
The busy seasons.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
And they because of the cuts, they're planning on hiring
seven thousand part time seasonal employees. So there's we're now
going to have a bunch of new people coming into
the park system that are going to be working there.
And I think again, going down this Alex Jones road,
(39:38):
they could have been cutting these to cover things up.
When we've talked about David Politis in the past, and
you know, anyone who's listened to any of his interviews,
when he tries to get information from the Park Service,
he's stonewalled, and he usually says that he has the
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depression that they know more than what they're letting on
about and they're just saying that they don't know what's
going on. But in a lot of these cases, especially
the modern missing Forum one cases, there have been swat
teams or commando teams involved in the search and rescue,
which seems a little excessive for search and rescue, Like
(40:22):
why would you pull in guys dressed in camo with
automatic weapons to search for a missing person in the woods?
M M. So, I mean you'd have to think they
that the rangers on duty would be aware of that
and at least be given heads up.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Right or seeing hear shit that they probably don't want.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
To, right, So I wouldn't be surprised if a lot
of these rangers that come out after this layoff, and
if we start hearing some people actually start talking about
some shit. Do you remember we've probably talked about a
few times on the show. Would do you remember the
case from Washington after Mount Saint Helens erupted where there
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was a witness that saw the military with a bigfoot
and they were like loading it onto a stretcher and
tending to its wounds and stuff and m hmm, and
it was all covered up. There's a reason why that
was covered up. And and I think that, uh, it's
tied to this. Like I think I've been saying for
(41:26):
a long time now that I think Bigfoot is not
a flesh and blood creature like a lot of people
want to make it out to be.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Like, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
It's I think, well, it's here, it's probably flesh and blood,
But I don't think it's it's that's its natural state
of being. I think that it's a non physical thing
that's able to take physical form and our reality, but
I think it's also able to phase out of our
reality or and I know it sounds all hokey and
(41:55):
woo woo, but it's it's I I think that it's
it's more of a fairy sort of thing. And for
anyone who doesn't know my fairy theory that's listening. When
I say fairy, I don't mean little tiny, diminutive humanoid
with dragonfly wings. I'm talking like the fay, like the
(42:18):
fucking scary shit from old Celtic lore. You know, the
type of shit that if you don't make peace with them,
they'll steal your children and leave a deformed lump of
shit at your doorstep, or a fucking potato baby or something,
or they burn your crops down or eat your dog,
like any manner of foul shit. Fairies are not to
(42:42):
be fucked with. Make friends with the fairies, don't piss
them off, because you'll never win.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
You'll never win.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
But within fairy lore, there's a lot of stories where
the fairies will abduct people, and a lot of the cases,
you know, with the exception of the way that they
seem to match, a lot of abduction cases.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
And then anyone who.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Has gone missing in these public parks and comes back,
there's very few cases where they do. But there are
some cases where they've come back and they've explained this
weird shit that they've experienced, like distorted time, not being
able to communicate with anything outside. Despite being able to
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hear people searching for them, they can't call out to them,
like it's if you've ever had a dream where you
try to scream and you can't. It's that sort of
thing they've People have described beings like I mentioned earlier,
giant dogs or bears or hairy men or in some
(43:49):
cases old ladies even and it's probably some sort of
like post hypnotic suggestion things that's left in the person's
brain after the the events so that they can kind
of make sense of what they witnessed. And the same
way that the barn owl thing X as a mask
(44:12):
for a lot of abduction events, and apparently the Flatwood's
monster sighting and hopkinsill goblins and moth man, it's all
barn owls, man, barn owls, barn owls all across the
world as barn owls. It's lockness, barn.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Owl, luckness, barn.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Maybe it's all barn owls here too. They're just grabbing people,
taking them to the barn owl dimension and then they're
like conducting these weird experiments on them. It's like it's
if anyone's ever seen the movie Tusk, That's what it's like,
except they turn you into a barn owl. Oh god, Yeah,
it's terrifying. They subject you to horrifying body horror, and
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then in the end you look like some bastard version
of a barn owl that can't even fly. And then
all the real barnols make fun of you for being
a loser barn owl that can't even fly, and you're
really ugly, and none of the barn owl girls want
to take you out to the prom, and you die
sat and alone and they don't even give you a
slice of pizza. They're assholes.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
God that I'm so glad that.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Was a It won't come out in the show because
it doesn't record it.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Ah, that's a bummer.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
That's a bummer. Yeah, but it's true. That's for you,
all you heartbroken mutated barn owl guys and gals out
there that don't have a date for a barnoble from.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yeah, because some bastard experimented on you and made you
ugly and hideous and unable to fly, I mean even
good as a barn owl. If it can't fly, can't
even abduct people fuck out of here. Maybe they give
them jet packs.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
It's not even like a far fetched theory. These are
super remote places, you know, there's a lot of places
in these parks where people can't get to.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah, it's all barn holes, That's what it is.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Just talk.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
But to be serious, like if they're doing all these cuts,
and and they're trying to cover up UFO stuff, and
and and I've been saying all along as well, UFOs
aren't fucking aliens either. It's it's all the same shit,
and they're trying to cover it up by cutting federal
jobs from places that that might be picking up on
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this information or being able to witness it or get
information out there.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
I was still surprised to see the all the FA
cuts right after all this drone shit. I mean, like
we talked about it, when we updated everybody with how
the administration admitted admitted that they were theirs, and other
people got involved and it got out of hand. So
I mean, knowing that that's ours and now they're cutting
(46:49):
those jobs, that surprised me. That's that's a little too obvious.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
It's fucking crazy, man. First they lie about the drones
and like, okay, it was, and then they're like, you
know what, fuck the faa right in the faa ass.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yeah, they're like, you know who fucking blew that for us,
all these pilot fucking people with radars so and.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, yeah, fuck you guys, it blew us in and
now we're cutting your gerbs.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
And we're leaving this guy's undetected.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yeah, because that's that's the way that they want it.
They want the barn owls to be able to swoop
in whenever the fuck they want, and they don't want
people calling them out on it.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, it's not just Jaba fo Fi that goes for
the nipples either. Guys, you gotta you're still gonna need bad.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, you're you're definitely gonna need. And also
they go for the eyes too. They pluck your eyes out,
they replace them with cybernetic robot eyes that turns you
into their slaves, and they're able to control you through
your cybernetic robot eyes. So where eye patches on both
eyes at all times, the only way. It's the only way.
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And but
Speaker 3 (50:17):
Not to p
What's up everybody. Thanks for listening to the what Cast. Mike,
you were just talking about how you survived the snow apocalypse. Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Well it's an I mean, winter's not over yet, so
congratulate me. In another three months and we'll see what's
going on. I wish I was exaggerating, No, thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
The North sucks. I fucking hate it. I want to
blow it up and throw hand grenades at all the snow.
It's just it's making me miserable.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Well, we got a fun one to talk about tonight.
I'm pretty fond of mysterious what they call mysterious triangles,
areas where weird shit just happens. I mean, that's gotta
be one of the earliest things that we probably both
ran into as a kid when it comes to paranormal stuff, right,
was the Great Bermuda Triangle.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
So I'm gonna talk. I want to.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I want to put this out before we even get
into the triangle stuff. I'm gonna channel my inner Alex
Jones tonight, and I and and and I don't mean
that and that I'm going to accuse people with murdered
family members that they didn't get murdered and they're all phonies.
Not not that Alex Jones, but the u waggy conspiracy
(01:38):
theorist Alex Jones.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
What a guy? What what a what a route that
guy took? Man?
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, yeah, he uh, he is definitely a character, that guy.
But I think I think a lot of it is
is all phony anyway, and I think he kind of
went a little he dipped his toes a little too
far in there, and you know, now you pay the piper, buddy,
So I'm not going to be doing any of that bullshit.
(02:04):
But I just want to throw it out there that
this is going to go down the crazy conspiracy theory
rabbit hole, and it's mostly going to be based on
nothing about my own imagination.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
So if for for.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
People that are into that sort of thing, that's that's
what you got to expect tonight. But I'm gonna talk.
I'm going to start this whole thing off by talking
about the Bennington triangle. And I know we've might have
talked about it before. Matteo and I discussed we couldn't
figure out if we had talked about this before or not,
but you know, here we are talking about it again
(02:37):
or for the first time.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Either or yeah, either way, either way, either way, I'm
excited and I'm excited to hear your skeptical point of
view when it comes to triangles in particular. And like
I think I said it a couple shows ago, conspiracy
is seeming to make more sense than the explanations were
given for things these days. So conspiracy it up, buddy,
Oh I will.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So the case that's are the cases that are primarily
referenced when dealing with the Bennington triangle is talking about.
They're called the Bennington disappearances specifically, but they typically refer
to five particular cases that took place between the years
(03:19):
of nineteen forty five and nineteen fifty and there I
would say that these are early examples of the missing
four on one stuff. I'm not well versed enough in
all of the missing four on one cases, like I
haven't read all the books and everything, so maybe this
is covered in them early on, but these all fit
(03:43):
that that profile. So among these five, and these five
were the most well known, but there were disappearances that
happened before and after, but for some reason these five
get clumped together. There is a weird death that I'll
get to that occurred earlier on, but because they actually
(04:05):
found the body, so it's not included in the disappearances,
but it's still a weird death, so I think maybe
it could kind of be related if we're gonna tie
these things together, which because I'm going down a conspiracy
rabbit hole, I plan on doing. So we'll start with
the first case among these Bennington disappearances, which happened November
(04:28):
nineteen forty five, and it was a disappearance of a
man named Middy Rivers who was seventy four years old,
who was a very experienced outdoorsman, regular hunter. He knew
the area like the back of his hand. He was
(04:52):
out on a hunting trip with his son in law
and they had separated just for there. It was supposed
to be a couple of minutes. One was going to
go down one trail, the other down the other. Then
they were going to come back and meet up. But
Middy Rivers was never seen again. There was an extensive
search that was done in the area where they were,
(05:14):
and the only thing that was recovered was a solitary
rifle cartridge that was left behind. Nothing else was fond
of him, no footprints, no clothing items, nothing just completely disappeared.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Everything about him gone.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, the only just that bullet casing that was a Yeah,
there was another disappearance. Well, there wasn't another disappearance that
occurred until a little over a year later, in December
of nineteen forty six, when an eighteen year old college
student named Paula Jean Weldon went for an afternoon hike.
(05:53):
There were witnesses that said they saw her walking down
the trail and they saw her turning a corner and
then she was gone. No one ever saw her again.
There was extensive search done in the area. Never there
was no evidence of a struggle, no evidence that anyone
(06:13):
had followed her, no blood, nothing, just she was gone.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
When you hear of them, just absolutely vanishing like that.
Do you kind of rule out any type of foul player.
There's usually some type of evidence of something like that.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Well, I mean, so this is in the forties, so really,
who knows what is you know, I don't know what
the forensic technology was at the time, but I've got
to assume it was probably nowhere. They probably had a
couple of detectives out there looking around being like, I
don't know, I don't see anything, and then I don't know,
(06:52):
maybe it was more extensive than that, but they weren't
able to find any evidence. But then nothing happened again
for a few years. But then in December of nineteen
forty nine, exactly three years after the disappearance of Paula Weldon,
there was a really strange disappearance that happened. James Tedford
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was boarding a bus in Saint Albans and I forget
to mention the Bennington Triangles in Vermont, so anyone familiar
with the Vermont area. He was boarding a bus in
Saint Albans and he was seen on the bus right
up to the last stop before Bennington, but when the
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bus reached the last stop at Bennington, he was no
longer on the bus and no one ever saw him again.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
I've seen many many videos and stories and write ups
on that case. That is such a bat wing case
because I mean, the guy was seen by everybody, they
just didn't see him like a lave though.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
He just again yeah, turned and he never got off.
They assumed he was going to be getting off in Bennington,
and he just never did and no one heard from
him or saw him again after that.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
That was a rap for him. Nobody heard from him again.
That's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And then in nineteen fifty there was disappearance of an
eight year old named Paul Jepson, and he was just
briefly left unattended by his mother and completely disappeared. There
was a police search to look for him. They had
bloodhounds that were tracking him. They were able to track
his scent to the same highway where Weldon disappeared earlier,
(08:43):
and they just they that from there he was gone.
Never found him again, never heard from him.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
That was it.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Okay, So tracked to the same highway. This sounds like
a regular abduction. Now this is taking a hmm. Has
there any been any speculation about a you, real abductor
or killer in the area at any.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Point, Not that I'm aware of, other than the Bennington Monster.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Oh she yet?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Oh yeah, Bennington Monster. It's really just another it's a
local lesnime for a bigfoot.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
But we'll get to that.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
So, sixteen days after Paul Jebson disappeared, Free to Langer
also disappeared. She was hiking near Somerset Reservoir with her
cousin and while while hiking, she fell into a stream
and got wet, so she left to change, and she
said I'll be right back, and then she never came
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back instead, but they actually found her body eventually, but
her body was so decomposed that they were unable to
determine her cause of death or what happened to her.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Wow, and that was with other people. She just went like,
I mean how far She.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Just separated briefly to change and was never found from,
never heard from again, and so like a lot of
these are like the missing four one one case. Like,
like I mentioned, people just disappear. They go around a
corner and they're gone, or mom turns her back and
the kid's gone. Like we've talked about those classic missing
(10:17):
four on one cases, like the kid that was berry
picking and went behind a bush and never came out again.
And then with there were stories among the missing four
on one cases where people were gone and they were
able to hear the people calling them, but it was
like echoe and like almost like they weren't really there.
(10:39):
And some people report having some sort of hairy animal
or giant dog or giant bear keep them safe or
warm or feed them.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, I remember when we really really took a good
look into the missing four one one stuff and I
remember doing a lot of reading and a lot of stuff.
I watched a lot of his talks, a lot of
his lectures, hours and hours and hours of his stuff,
and I had to laugh after every lecture U, because
it's like your fairy connection to things. Like, at the
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end of really taking a look at that stuff, I
had to be like, Jesus, is our fucking fairies taking people?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Baby, but I mean I've been I've been saying it
for years. Fairies or ghosts, aureliens or demons or gin
it's all the same.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Shit, so probably, yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
But the weird thing is like if we're if we're
looking at it from like just your your I don't
want to say mundane perspective, because this is anything but
a mundane situation. But if you're if you're like trying
to rationalize this and say this is the job of
a of a serial killer or a serial abductor or whatever,
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none of these people fit the same profile. You've got
people from eight to seventy four, both men and women.
It's uh, I don't know, it seems unless you've got
like a indiscriminate serial killer that just randomly is like
whoever I see is who I'm killing. But typically if
you've got a serial killer, they've got some sort of
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profile that they stick.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
With, not usually dressing like a bear and keeping children
safe either.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
No, no, certainly not. And the other thing is if
it was somebody that was abducting people, especially like the
case of the eighteen year old girl who went around
the corner and it was never seen again, there's going
to be some evidence of a struggle, especially if it's
an adult.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Like you could say, yay, you could scoop.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
An eight year old up and throw them over your
shoulder and run, but chances are that kid's gonna scream
and you would hear that. And also if it's an adult,
there's going to be some sort of struggle, and also
they're probably going to try to scream. There was no
evidence in any of these cases of a struggle, no footprints,
no missing items, nothing except for the one bullet casing.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, there's not a long history of brilliant serial kill.
There's either there would have been a fucking a handful
of fucking smoked cigarette butts on the floor, a beer
can or some shit.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Like that, right something, Unless you've got a serial killer
who can telepathically paralyze and levitate their victims and then
tuck them away into a pocket dimension for safe keeping.
That's the only way that you're gonna be able to
get this amount of people without any sort of struggle,
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especially in the woods. Like it would be one thing
if it was you know, someone hitch hiking and then
they were never seen again, Like sure, they got picked
up by somebody in a car and then they got
off somewhere and that that's that. But you're in the
middle of the fucking woods. Like, if you're gonna be
murdered in the middle of the woods, there's there's gonna
be evidence that you were abducted. Like, you're not gonna
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just even if even if they had like a vehicle
to take you away, you're gonna find tire tracks, You'll
be able to hear a motor run something and with it.
With a lot of these cases happening in close proximity
to other people, like that's what makes it so weird.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Right, people would be witnessing other people coming with vehicles
that there these people are supposed to be being taken
out and you know, yeah, too many holes in that story, right.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
And then there's always the whole. They just got lost
and died, you know, a diet of exposure, got attacked.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
By an animal or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
But again, a lot of these were in close proximity,
and if they got attacked by an animal, you'd think
there would be a scream or something.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
And there would be most definitely be evidence of that, right.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And there'd be blood, yeah, yeah, exactly, Probably a shoe
being kicked off in the struggle. There'd be you know,
there would be definite evidence of that.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
If it was me, they'd find like my pants full of.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Shit, yeah yeah, and some some sweaty socks. But yeah,
they none of that. So it makes me wonder what's
going on. And I'm gonna beat the fairy drum for
a minute, but I think it's that sort of thing.
(15:12):
It's it's someone getting pulled into this other reality, and
who knows what happens to them there. Maybe they're eating,
maybe they're killed, Maybe they're living out the rest of
their days there. I don't fucking know. I've never been
to fairy World, so I don't presume to understand what
goes on there.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Maybe you turn into a.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Fairy when you go to fairy World, and now you're
a fairy fucking with other people being a dick.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I don't know's that's what I tend to believe what happened.
I mean, like I kind of believe that there's definitely
something going on the fairy thing. I mean, we can
look at all the different types of fairies and what
they do and what they're capable of throughout you know, history.
You've talked about them in a great in great detail,
and uh, there's definitely something going going on that doesn't
(15:56):
seem right. And it seems like there's some many different
things that are going on, people vanishing, especially with the
Missing four and one stuff. You remember that voicemail that
the guy left for He was just screaming, and there's
like weird sounds happening, you know, There's there's such a
weird variety of stuff that's going on there.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, And I've talked about Bigfoot being a ferry too,
which relates to this because of the Bennington Monster, which
is a local legend in the area of Bennington and
the surrounding area. You know, basically the triangle as I
really hate the terms triangle because like they're never a
(16:39):
fucking triangle. It's like more like a trapezoid or a
big circle or a Meeba shaped blob. It's it's bullshit,
Like it's like calling somewhere that has a lot of
UFO activity, the such and such Roswell. It's not fucking
Roswell because Roswell is in New Mexico, so you know,
(17:01):
Or like any sort of scandal is something gate when
water Gate was Watergate for a very specific reason. And
you can't just throw gate on something because it's a
fucking scandal. It's bullshit and it pisses me off.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Right, any paranormal creatures a skinwalker.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Now, yes, yeah, it's no longer a when to go guys,
it's a skin walker.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Haha. Yeah, when to go you're out?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yeah, fuck you? When to go? Go get a job,
you fucking bump.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah. But I mean, like, you know, you kind of
got to go the very route with these things in
these stories. In my mind, I mean, you're talking about
pocket dimensions. I don't know. It blows my mind that
people want to debate pollades work instead of like ignore
cases where people have seen other people walking into invisible
something and disappear, you know, like that's the type of
shit we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I mean, he's he's the face of it, you know,
he's the one that's putting the information out there.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
He's the one, and and he.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Does have some some sketchy stuff in his past, so right, right,
it's fair to criticize him. And he's you know, maybe
maybe while his cases a lot of them are compelling,
maybe he draws the wrong conclusion in some of them.
Like remember when we covered that the original Missing four
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one one documentary, and like, none of the cases on
there were even that compelling, Like it all seemed like
they were people that either got lost in the woods
or the little kid was probably abducted by grandpa's creepy friend.
And like he didn't offer any of the cases that
he's talked about in the in a lot of his
appearances on other podcasts or whatever. They didn't seem to
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even try to go and connect it with the paranormal
all that much, which which I thought was weird. I'm like,
you're you're putting this out there's being this great mystery,
and you just offer us some bullshit that probably unsolved
mysteries wouldn't even really consider they like, duh, this kid
(19:00):
was abducted, Like what are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Right, right. I think I think everybody's got to put
like a true crime twist on their ship these days.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yea. And that's probably what he did, he because I
know in the next one that he came out with
like he leaned real heart into the paranormal stuff. So
it's probably just like dangling the carrot, trying to get
people to invest in his theory, you know, just kind
of let it percolate a little bit, and then he
then with the second comes out like, oh, I gotta
(19:30):
see what's going on in this one, and he's like,
gotcha paranormal motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
But I I know, like a lot of a lot
of people that talk about the missing foreone or theorize
about the missing for a one one thing, well frequently
attach it to aliens or Bigfoot. In this case, there's
not so much attention being drawn to aliens, but there
is stuff being drawn to the Bennington Monster.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
You would think there would be a lot of attention
drawn to the UFO thing when there's no tracks or
any evidence of people being taken out of these places. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, it's almost like like that's my biggest thing with
the people that are connecting it to Bigfoot.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Or say a squatch or whatever you.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Want to call it, because again, this is if you're
looking at it as being something that's flesh and blood.
This thing's coming out of wherever, grabbing somebody and dragging
them away. So again no, but you could argue this
person that a bigfoot is huge and strong, so maybe
he could throw a regular sized adult over his shoulder,
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like a regular sized adult could throw an eight year
old over his shoulder, and you know, call it a day.
But before these five cases happened, there was a weird
case that was reported in nineteen forty three. So there
was a hiker named Carol Herrick who was a hunter
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who had gone out and disappeared in the woods. Three
days after his disappearance, his body was found and according
to the reports, his body was surrounded by these large footprints,
and his body looked as though he had been squeezed
to death or crushed, and they said his skeleton looked
(21:21):
like it had been in a car accident, like his
bones were broken, he was mangled and.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
You know dead.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, And so this was blamed on the Bennington Monster,
which is the local flavor of bigfoot that had been
reported for over two hundred years. But it's a you know,
your typical bigfoot thing, big hairy, hominid ape man thing.
(21:53):
So I don't know, you know, if this guy was
was maybe he fell victim to Bigfoot, or or if
maybe something else happened and Bigfoot was.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Like what the fuck is this? You know, maybe maybe
it was like the.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Equivalent of a kid poking a dead bird with a stick,
Like Bigfoot.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Just walks up. What's his dead body doing? Poke? Poke?
It's like, oh shit, it's dead.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Just steps on it for fun, like probably a human
would do.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Crunch.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Oh that's gross.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I'm gonna get a raw hold on.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
There's also something something in uh local native legend called
the man eating Stone of Glastonbury Mountain.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
There was yeah, how how cool is that?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, but apparently it's a stone that's on the mountain.
No one who has seen it has lived. The Native
Americans of the area knew it, and they would warn
the you know, the the settlers or whoever to stay
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away from this because it's it's supposed to be a
large rock that's large enough to stand on, but when
someone stands on it, the rock becomes malleable, like like
quicksand and it'll swallow whoever stands on top of it.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Damn.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
But but also think about that, like if this is
a rock that they're saying swallow someone, what if this
is actually a gateway disguised as a rock, you know,
rather than the rock being a living thing.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Maybe the rock.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Is is the gateway and it's able to you stand
on it and you fall through the gate.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
And that's that's what happens.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
What if there's entities that take you to the rock
and throw you through.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
This gate, Yeah, yeah, because they know it's there and
you it thrown. Maybe that's what the uh, that's what
Sam Squanch does. He grabs you and throws you through
the rock gate.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Yikes.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
But with that being said, even though there's this this
man eating rock, the natives of the area considered the
Glastonbury Mountains specifically which is the home of the man
eating stone, to be sacred rather than a cursed place,
and they they consider this such hollowed ground that they
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would only permit it to be used as a burial
ground by the by their people.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
But that this is this is I think this rock
is is more the key than than sightings of this
This beast uh and I and I think that this
is kind of that this is similar to that that
story we talked about with the guy who was walking
down the trail and he kind of shimmered and then
just disappeared. The witnesses sam ship and then he disappeared
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mid step, and I think that's kind of similar to
what happened. Maybe that was but that seemed to have
happened just on the trail. Maybe that was just a
temporary gate that opened up and he walked through it.
Maybe it was by chance, maybe it was intentional. Maybe
it was like a trap and he got pulled through.
And maybe that's the case for these rocks. Maybe it's
(25:22):
more than just one rock, and maybe it's it's there
to catch people that are exploring that don't know the area.
It's it's set up specifically for them. So it's like, Oh,
I'm climbing over this rock to get to the other.
Oh no, I'm falling through on getting eaten by fairies.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
You you have to think that if it's happening at a
frequency frequency to where they're avoiding the area and telling
visitors not to go there because there's a rock there
that'll eat you. I think that statistically has to be
many many rocks, or maybe the rock moves, oh gosh.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Like maybe maybe it's a specific rock, but like the
whoever sets the trap up like it just takes the
form of the same rock every time, so.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
They're like, oh shit, it's that rock.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
And then so they know they know the rock by shape,
and so when they see it, they like say the
fuck away from that rock, dude. But like, how do
you describe a rock to to some somebody you know
who doesn't even really.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Speak your language.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
The look out for the really big rock. It's big
enough to climb on, and it's shaped kind of like
a pentagon, but also slightly lopsided, and it's got one
angle on the left side that's just a little more obtuse.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Than the other side.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
And the guy's just looking at like a big rock
that you can climb on in a mountain. No one
saw it coming.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Right, you know. Maybe maybe avoiding the area means that
it's difficult to spot, you know, they're just like just
don't fucking go there.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, or or maybe it was just the natives and
they're just like, stay the fuck off our mountain, dude.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
You get eaten by rocks.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, and they're like, oh shit, you got living rocks
that eat people.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Fuck they fuck that moment. That's what I would be like, good, yeah,
stay away from our shit. Mm hmm. But I think
it's it's a.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Portal to another dimension, portal to the fairy world.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
You go through and.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Then your soul gets eaten. Wacos fuck around and find out.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Well, there's a lot of like you've talked about before,
when people get trapped by the fairies, their time moves different,
you know, maybe, like you said, I've always had a.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, like it could be a couple of times, you
know that they think they're they're gone for minutes and
they come back and it's been years. Yeah, they're like, dude,
I I just had dinner and fell asleep and woke up,
and what do you mean it's been years?
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah. I wonder what's going on to make time move
like that and you not notice. I wonder if it's
like an insanely enjoyable place to be, you know, and
that's a lot of people just choose to stay or
can't break free for that.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
It's it's probably something that exists outside the fourth dimension,
so that time doesn't work in the same sort of
way when when you're outside of it, because we we
viewed time as being linear, and I think when you're
in that sort of when you're in that world or
that realm or dimension, however the fuck you want to
(28:20):
call it, I think that that space and time aren't
observed in the same way there. So, because you're used
to observing it in a linear fashion, to you, it
seems like only minutes have gone by. Meanwhile, like a
decade has gone by, or or you know, maybe you're
maybe you're a Rip van Winkle sort of guy, and
(28:42):
forty years or I don't even I can't remember the story,
but long time goes by. It's been it's been a
while since I've read local folk tales. But you know
that that sort of thing is what's going on. It's
just the time isn't being observed in the same way
that you observe it in our reality. So because you're
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used to observing it one way, or your body and
mind are trying to comprehend what's going on in one way,
and so it just seems like it was minutes when
really it was hours or years or days or whatever.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah, or they're just like feeding you pumpkin pie Mountain
dew all day and you're like, I'm not leaving.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, you're like, oh fuck Thanksgiving every day. Hell yeah, yeah,
thanks fairies.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Then they get pissed off because you call them fairies
and they start poking in shit, and then they rip
your soul apart. It's just what they do.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Man, eat your body and leave like a glowing form
behind it, and then eat that.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah, they eat your body first, and then like the
delicacy is that glowing essence you leave behind, and they
fucking stick a straw in there and just slurp that
shit up like a slush.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Well, miss Nikki was saying, you don't hear much about
the Bermuda Triangle anymore. What do you make of that,
because it kind of seems like they consider that kind
of solved. There's so many things that people are like, Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Bought a Bermuda Triangle. I never really bought into it
was fucking It's just it's it's a big stretch of
ocean between three places that are frequently traveled, so of
course you're gonna have wrecks and shit that happened, and uh,
you know that that's you're gonna they're all gonna be
(30:32):
attributed to the Bermuda Triangle because that's where it happened.
But I don't think the Bermuda Triangle is the cause
of it. I just think it's a well traveled route,
and as a result, because there's more things traveling there,
there's more bad things that happen there.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Right, I remember actually seeing somebody using that or giving
that explanation. The amount of air traffic that happens in
that area too small, like Cesna's passenger planes cargo. It's
just the rate goes up. Dude, that's all right.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
And that's not to say that.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Weird shit, doesn't it, Like like the flight nineteen thing,
still fucking that, that's still really weird to me right
to this day. They were never found the hole we're
entering whitewater, What the fuck does that mean? And there's
just so many weird things. And then the search crew
went out and disappeared as well. Mm hmmm, like that,
(31:28):
that's fucking weird. That's really fucking weird. And then the
case with the guy flying the Sessana that that cut
forty five minutes out of his trip by going through
a vortex. That's that's tough to explain as well.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Right, So I just don't like that everybody ignores the
Reermuter triangle when there's stories like that. I mean, we
talked about that dude going through that that vortex, and
there's there you can go watch one hundred anything is
with the guy. He still sticks with his story. He
still says that's what happened. It's I think it should
still be looked at.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Yeah, but I don't think it's I don't think it's
the area itself, you know. I don't think that between
these three points there's there's a curse and and if
you go through there you're gonna drown or explode or
get eaten by a well or whatever. That's I I
don't think that that's necessarily the case. I think it's
weird shit happens. And I know, like there's there's a
(32:23):
lot of stories of weird shit happening in the ocean.
And we could talk about fucking alien bases in the
water if you if and and say that maybe some
of those are caused by that. We could talk about
ferry gates and say it's that's that's what goes on.
They hit a faery gate and then then they get
fucked and and sink and disappear forever. But I don't
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think it's necessarily that area. I just think it's because
there's more travel that happens in that area, that there's
more reports of the weird shit happening. And if you're
if you're you know, setting up faerry traps, why not
set up a faery trap where there's going to be
something that flies into it. It would be like a
(33:08):
spider setting up the web where it knows it's going
to be getting food.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
It's not gonna.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Set up the web where there's where it has no
hope of food. That would just be silly in a
waste of energy.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Now, going with your faery theory, do you think that
at some point in time that humans figured this out
on an official level and just kind of made these
areas where these things like to be, you know, and
kind of just somewhat made it difficult to go into,
you know, you got to pay all this type of.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I think that there's I think that there's certain areas
that we know about, and I think a lot of
them are in the national parks, which is why we've
got such a large amount of missing four on one
cases in the national parks system specifically. And this is
where I'm going to put my Alex Jones head on,
(33:59):
because they are.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
All all all the all of.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
US Americans anyway are able to We're all hearing about
all these federal jobs and federal layoffs and budget cuts
and all that, and fear Musk is is going nuts
with the with the chopping block. But the one there's
two specifically two layoff or two department layoffs that I
(34:28):
want to talk about specifically, one being the f A
A and the other being the all the layoffs that
have happened with National park employees. The f a A Hay,
they laid off a bunch of people there, and we've
been seeing a lot of plane crashes as a result
the the federal government. And and I'm not gonna I've
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got to address the federal federal government, the current administration.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
Just because of.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
The layoffs are happening as a result of that. I'm
not going to go down to political road. I'm staying
clear of that bullshit. But the the layoffs that are
happening in a lot of these well I shouldn't say
a lot, because most of them I don't give a
fuck about. But you know, fire fire, all the I
R s for all I here, but the the f
(35:18):
a A. We're already seeing the fallout from that, Like
there's I feel like plane crashes are happening almost as
frequently as mass shootings now in the US, which is
fucked up no matter which way you look at it.
But it's interesting that the FAA is being being cut
(35:39):
down at a time when we are getting more and
more attention given to UH, to the UFO subject. We're
we're seeing, you know, it's mainstream news regularly. There's there's
hearings at Congress. There's people that are taking this very
(36:00):
seriously now and trying to get more information on this
within within Congress. The people within Congress are finally taking
it seriously, and I think most of these people are
completely out of the loop with what's going on, so
they're kind of getting upset about it because they are
working in the government and they're being left in the
(36:23):
dark about this as well, so they're now that it's
affecting them. It's it's you know, it's a big deal
because you screw the little man.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I want to know now, and I'm i am.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Government, man, I come from the government, and and they
don't get that information. And so now they're pissed off.
So they're they're starting to call these people and get
this information. And now we're getting the FAA cuts. And
I wonder if maybe this has something to do with
trying to keep this under wraps. And I know when
(36:56):
when Trump came into office, he said that he wanted
to get disclosure moving. That was one of the promises
he made was that he any information on UFOs and
he wanted the public to get But as we also know, A,
politicians are liars and b from what we've heard from
Bill Clinton, he tried to get into it and was
(37:18):
told that it was above his pay grade. So the
president is, at the end of the day, is the
mascot of America. And that's that's about the extent of it.
He signs the fucking the checks so to speak. I mean,
not not literally, but he signs off on law. So
it's essentially the same thing. You know, you got to
you gotta get the permission signed from Dad. But at
(37:40):
the end of the day, he's just he's just the mascot.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Man. It doesn't fucking matter.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Right, right, So he can say he wants to cover
it up. But if if the the real powers that be,
you know, the military contractors, Like I don't even want
to say it's the fucking military at this point.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
I think it's a bu and beyond what.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
A lot of high ranking officers are even privy to
in the military. I think this comes from the private
sector at this point. But we could be seeing these
cuts coming through, like using these cuts kind of as
an excuse to cut certain positions that might be viewing
(38:22):
future UAP activity. And in the same sense, we might
be seeing these cuts because the National Park they got
hit hard man. Like I heard at one point that
they the plan was that they were only going to
be like three full time employees at Yellowstone. I don't
know how true that is. I've heard that early on
(38:44):
when they announced the cuts. But they cut like over
three thousand jobs for the National Parks Association.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
And they the National Park they did get fifty fifty
five zero position re hired after the budget cuts, but
like I said, they cut over three thousand positions. But
they did also say that they were going to be
hiring a lot of temporary employees for.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
The busy seasons.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
And they because of the cuts, they're planning on hiring
seven thousand part time seasonal employees. So there's we're now
going to have a bunch of new people coming into
the park system that are going to be working there.
And I think again, going down this Alex Jones road,
(39:38):
they could have been cutting these to cover things up.
When we've talked about David Politis in the past, and
you know, anyone who's listened to any of his interviews,
when he tries to get information from the Park Service,
he's stonewalled, and he usually says that he has the
(40:00):
depression that they know more than what they're letting on
about and they're just saying that they don't know what's
going on. But in a lot of these cases, especially
the modern missing Forum one cases, there have been swat
teams or commando teams involved in the search and rescue,
which seems a little excessive for search and rescue, Like
(40:22):
why would you pull in guys dressed in camo with
automatic weapons to search for a missing person in the woods?
M M. So, I mean you'd have to think they
that the rangers on duty would be aware of that
and at least be given heads up.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Right or seeing hear shit that they probably don't want.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
To, right, So I wouldn't be surprised if a lot
of these rangers that come out after this layoff, and
if we start hearing some people actually start talking about
some shit. Do you remember we've probably talked about a
few times on the show. Would do you remember the
case from Washington after Mount Saint Helens erupted where there
(41:05):
was a witness that saw the military with a bigfoot
and they were like loading it onto a stretcher and
tending to its wounds and stuff and m hmm, and
it was all covered up. There's a reason why that
was covered up. And and I think that, uh, it's
tied to this. Like I think I've been saying for
(41:26):
a long time now that I think Bigfoot is not
a flesh and blood creature like a lot of people
want to make it out to be.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Like, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
It's I think, well, it's here, it's probably flesh and blood,
But I don't think it's it's that's its natural state
of being. I think that it's a non physical thing
that's able to take physical form and our reality, but
I think it's also able to phase out of our
reality or and I know it sounds all hokey and
(41:55):
woo woo, but it's it's I I think that it's
it's more of a fairy sort of thing. And for
anyone who doesn't know my fairy theory that's listening. When
I say fairy, I don't mean little tiny, diminutive humanoid
with dragonfly wings. I'm talking like the fay, like the
(42:18):
fucking scary shit from old Celtic lore. You know, the
type of shit that if you don't make peace with them,
they'll steal your children and leave a deformed lump of
shit at your doorstep, or a fucking potato baby or something,
or they burn your crops down or eat your dog,
like any manner of foul shit. Fairies are not to
(42:42):
be fucked with. Make friends with the fairies, don't piss
them off, because you'll never win.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
You'll never win.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
But within fairy lore, there's a lot of stories where
the fairies will abduct people, and a lot of the cases,
you know, with the exception of the way that they
seem to match, a lot of abduction cases.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
And then anyone who.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Has gone missing in these public parks and comes back,
there's very few cases where they do. But there are
some cases where they've come back and they've explained this
weird shit that they've experienced, like distorted time, not being
able to communicate with anything outside. Despite being able to
(43:28):
hear people searching for them, they can't call out to them,
like it's if you've ever had a dream where you
try to scream and you can't. It's that sort of
thing they've People have described beings like I mentioned earlier,
giant dogs or bears or hairy men or in some
(43:49):
cases old ladies even and it's probably some sort of
like post hypnotic suggestion things that's left in the person's
brain after the the events so that they can kind
of make sense of what they witnessed. And the same
way that the barn owl thing X as a mask
(44:12):
for a lot of abduction events, and apparently the Flatwood's
monster sighting and hopkinsill goblins and moth man, it's all
barn owls, man, barn owls, barn owls all across the
world as barn owls. It's lockness, barn.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Owl, luckness, barn.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Maybe it's all barn owls here too. They're just grabbing people,
taking them to the barn owl dimension and then they're
like conducting these weird experiments on them. It's like it's
if anyone's ever seen the movie Tusk, That's what it's like,
except they turn you into a barn owl. Oh god, Yeah,
it's terrifying. They subject you to horrifying body horror, and
(44:55):
then in the end you look like some bastard version
of a barn owl that can't even fly. And then
all the real barnols make fun of you for being
a loser barn owl that can't even fly, and you're
really ugly, and none of the barn owl girls want
to take you out to the prom, and you die
sat and alone and they don't even give you a
slice of pizza. They're assholes.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
God that I'm so glad that.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Was a It won't come out in the show because
it doesn't record it.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Ah, that's a bummer.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
That's a bummer. Yeah, but it's true. That's for you,
all you heartbroken mutated barn owl guys and gals out
there that don't have a date for a barnoble from.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yeah, because some bastard experimented on you and made you
ugly and hideous and unable to fly, I mean even
good as a barn owl. If it can't fly, can't
even abduct people fuck out of here. Maybe they give
them jet packs.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
It's not even like a far fetched theory. These are
super remote places, you know, there's a lot of places
in these parks where people can't get to.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah, it's all barn holes, That's what it is.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Just talk.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
But to be serious, like if they're doing all these cuts,
and and they're trying to cover up UFO stuff, and
and and I've been saying all along as well, UFOs
aren't fucking aliens either. It's it's all the same shit,
and they're trying to cover it up by cutting federal
jobs from places that that might be picking up on
(46:22):
this information or being able to witness it or get
information out there.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
I was still surprised to see the all the FA
cuts right after all this drone shit. I mean, like
we talked about it, when we updated everybody with how
the administration admitted admitted that they were theirs, and other
people got involved and it got out of hand. So
I mean, knowing that that's ours and now they're cutting
(46:49):
those jobs, that surprised me. That's that's a little too obvious.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
It's fucking crazy, man. First they lie about the drones
and like, okay, it was, and then they're like, you
know what, fuck the faa right in the faa ass.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Yeah, they're like, you know who fucking blew that for us,
all these pilot fucking people with radars so and.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, yeah, fuck you guys, it blew us in and
now we're cutting your gerbs.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
And we're leaving this guy's undetected.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yeah, because that's that's the way that they want it.
They want the barn owls to be able to swoop
in whenever the fuck they want, and they don't want
people calling them out on it.
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, it's not just Jaba fo Fi that goes for
the nipples either. Guys, you gotta you're still gonna need bad.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, you're you're definitely gonna need. And also
they go for the eyes too. They pluck your eyes out,
they replace them with cybernetic robot eyes that turns you
into their slaves, and they're able to control you through
your cybernetic robot eyes. So where eye patches on both
eyes at all times, the only way. It's the only way.
Speaker 4 (48:03):
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(48:28):
again for listening and have a great week.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
And but
Speaker 3 (50:17):
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