The What Cast #486 - The Alien Perspective Doc and The Amy Rylance Abduction

Guys! There’s a new UFO documentary out!  Mike and Mateo watched it, it would be neat if you guys did, too! It’s called The Alien Perspective.  After you wrap that up, come back here and give this episode a listen.  We kind of break it down and give our thoughts and opinions.  Later on, we do a deeper dive into one of the cases referenced in the documentary, the Amy Rylance abduction.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:24):
What's up everybody. Thanks for listening to the what cast.
We hope you are well. Mike. We got to watch
a good old fashioned documentary. I love when we find
a good documentary on the paranormal and it's not a
not too cheesy. There's there's a rash of them for
a while. They that got cheesy, but boy, for the

(00:44):
subject on this documentary, I I really liked it. I
think this is perfect. I think it's a good time
for this to drop as well.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah, there's I mean, there's a lot of these u
F or U a P documentaries that are coming out now,
and this one, I would say is probably on the
better side of them.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
They do a.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Lot of it's it's good. Uh, it's a good introductory
course to to UFOs. And what I liked about it
is that it wasn't a history lesson. You know, a
lot of them will start with talking about Roswell or
the Foo fighters in World War Two, and this one didn't,

(01:30):
which which I appreciated. They broke it up into different
sections and each section was talking about certain sort of well,
I shouldn't say, a certain sort of event, but each
section is framed around a specific topic and then they
kind of go go off within that framework, but there's

(01:53):
a lot of new information. There's a lot of stuff
talking about the science behind looking for or extraterrest real life,
not so much with like the this documentary I didn't
think dealt with too much in the way of paranormal

(02:13):
It was more looking for what this is and how we.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Can detect it.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
But it's it's framed well. I should start out by saying,
because we didn't realize this going in, I should also
probably mention the title. The title of the documentary is
the Alien Perspective, and we didn't realize going into it
that this was a two part documentary.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
I had a feeling that they didn't realize it would be.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Due well, I mean, they left it on quite a cliffhanger,
and and but and it does start off saying episode one,
and after watching it, I was I looked into it,
and I found out that there's supposed to be a
second one, but I there's no information about a release

(03:06):
date or not even on their website. I guess there's
there's nothing on there showing when when it's coming out,
So I don't know when that's coming out. So just
just for clarity, if you're listening to this in the
future when it's already out and you're like you Dominas as, Yeah,
it's because you're in the future at the time right now,
this is part one is the only one.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
That's out right, And I gotta agree with you. There's
a lot of goofy UFO UAP documentaries like you said,
that just want to go over the history of everything,
and this one's very much not like that.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
To me.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
It's kind of like a like the freshman UFO documentary
would tell you all about fucking Roswell and then you
go to a sophomore one then they're going to talk
about Phoenix lights. I feel like this is like a
junior level documentary that's letting you peak at the senior
class work. It's not.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
I I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
I look at this as being like an introduction into
UFOs for someone who is skeptical about UFOs, like rather
than giving the history lesson, like, huh, what about this?
This case is weird? How do you explain this? Is
kind of giving it from like a more of a
science y perspective.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Right, and to see that the feel it gave me
coming from that science ye perspective is more of a
not so much of a trying to get anybody like
any skepticism. It's just this is this is where we're
at with this. If you like it or not, this
is the official word on these things they have. The
cast of the documentary is insane. The people that they

(04:42):
get on this documentary is nuts.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
So this is the top of the people in the field.
These are the top witnesses. And it's basically it's just like, hey,
if you want to know about this stuff in twenty
twenty five, this is the most recent shit that's going on.
This is where we're at with the government. This is
where we're at with physical evidence. This is where we're
at with what they could be. So to me, it's
like a cut and dry, like a maybe not like

(05:06):
a coercive type of thing or even to settle any debate.
It's like, hey, this is this is the cleanest info
we have on the most recent shit we have. Fucking
like it or not, take it or leave it. Like
they we'll get into the sections that they cover. They
cover a classic UFO case, But I was glad they
didn't mention the Phoenix lights. I'm glad they concentrated on

(05:27):
the tic tac shit right.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Oh, and we'll get to that.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah. Yeah, that was that was cool.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
But the the they do kind of start it off,
and when it started, I was like, Oh, it's gonna
be one of these documentaries, like like a Jeremy Corbell
sort of thing, because it starts off with with these
two guys meeting at a truck stop outside of Albany,
New York, and one dude who was revealed to be uh,

(05:57):
doctor Kevin Nuth, who's a professor of physics at University
of Albany, is handing over this material that was recovered
from a New Mexico crash site in nineteen forty seven
after Roswell. So this isn't Roswell material, it's it's a
different material. And so the framing device for this whole documentary.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Is what is this material?

Speaker 2 (06:26):
And so that's how it starts, is with him handing
off the material. And then we get some quick excerpts
from interviews from mitchi Okaku, Travis Walton, who is famous
for the Fire in the Sky story. He has a
brief statement. Dave Foley from Kids in the Hall, who

(06:50):
I just found out when when Matteo and I were
watching this, It was like, what the hell is Dave
Foley doing? He Mateo told me that he had a
UFO podcast.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
But they also had Selmacidk who was one of the
Aerial School witnesses of that UFO craft.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Can you believe they got a witness from that?

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Oh? I know that.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
And I'm wondering if if these people are gonna have
bigger roles in the next one, because a lot of
these just gave like brief statements in the first part
of the the first part of the documentary, and then
we don't see him again. Mitchie Ocaku showed up again
at the end, but right, but it was really it
was like a three minute section of the documentary where

(07:37):
I'll just like say some statements and then we move
on to the next part.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
But they also they had a.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
So part one of the document after like that was
all the introduction and everything in Part one, like I said,
they have it broken up into into chapters. So Part
one is called Finding Them, and it was about the
search for extraterrestrial life, and it starts out with an

(08:07):
interview with Alisa Quintana, who is the Deputy Scientist of
NASA Tests, which is the Transiting Exoplanet Survey satellite, but
she's the deputy scientist for that program, and she kind
of just gives a rundown of the project, which is
basically a satellite that looks for planets outside of our

(08:29):
Solar system that might be able to support life, and
she talks about the Goldilocks region and how most planets seem,
most planets they could habitate life seem to be stationed
around red dwarf stars, which would emit different light spectrums

(08:49):
than we have on Earth, which would lead to different
life forms. Here, our plants use photosynthesis. On a planet
with with different light spectrums that the plants themselves would
look different, they would they would develop differently, and since
they're developing differently, it would standar reason the animal life

(09:11):
would also be developing differently. And then they kind of
they from there. They talk about SETI and the SETI
program and what they're doing to try to find broadcasts
basically or radio signals from space. It's just really basic stuff.

(09:31):
They don't get into anything groundbreaking there, but they did
have a quote from Jacques Philly that I that I
fucking loved and I and I support fully, but the
quote was I'm going to be very disappointed if UFOs
turn out to be nothing more than visitors from another planet.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
But they kind of they use that quote to transition
into the next part, which is it was called other possibilities,
but it's basically theories outside of alien or life from
another planet. And they they of course, they they talk
about the possibility that it's we're in a simulation and

(10:17):
these things are just part of the simulation, and then
that kind of goes into the the whole matrix thing.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, it's good creepy for me, dude, I don't I
don't want to know if I'm living in a simulation.
I'm happy being I'll take whatever pill. I'll take the
turquoise pill to just keep it going.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Man. Yeah, well, but but it's like.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
The one dude in the documentary was talking about it
and and uh, and he said, you know, just because
it's a simulation, it doesn't mean it's not real. You're
still existing within this reality, so it's in a way
it's still very real. But then they started talking about
the I've never heard this term before, and I fucking

(10:57):
love it because we've heard of like the ultra terrestrial
theory where they're from another dimension or another reality that
overlaps hours, which they actually didn't get into at all,
but they talk about extra tempestrial beings, meaning basically beings

(11:21):
from time rather than from space, so like time lords,
and he references like the lost time that people experience,
or how they'll have evidence that they've been gone longer
than they actually have, and he brings up the amy

(11:42):
Rylance subduction, which I'm actually going to cover in the
second part of this episode, so I don't really want
to get into too much detail, but the short and
suite of it is the story goes that amy Rylance
was abducted by aliens and within a few hours she
was found hundreds.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Of miles away and.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Had evidence that she had been elsewhere for for several days.
She had body hair growth and an empty stomach, and
basically evidence that she had been gone for days rather
than hours.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
So they use that.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
As the example of these extra tempstrial beings. But we
it's that that's something that that I've really because I've
always talked about them being like multi dimensional things, but
but that's also kind of a weird thing to think

(12:42):
about as well, Like if they are traveling through the
galaxy or across the universe. Any being that's going to
do that is going to have to figure out a
way to make it so it's not They would need
to find a faster than like way to travel, and
that's the only way that you'd be able to do it.

(13:03):
You'd and unless you're able to go into cryostasis for
like thousands of years or millions of years even and
then just reappear. But then you gotta wonder, what's the
point in exploration if that's like, who are you reporting
back to millions of years later?

Speaker 1 (13:19):
You know? Right? Right?

Speaker 2 (13:20):
So it would it would only make sense if there
was a way to bend space or find a new
way to travel. And if you are a time lord,
like evil time traveling Barack Obama, it doesn't matter. You
can be anywhere you want to be because you exist
in time, and you're just like, you know what, I'm

(13:41):
going to pause time real quick, and I'm going to
get where I need to be. Then I'm going to
unpause time. Like one second went by.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Right, you know I was. I just watched like a
three hour long video of it was like the craziest
scariest creatures mentioned in the Necronomicon, and when you get
into that stuff and love crafty and stuff and that
idea of quote gods, because even even those writings saying
it's like that's the best word we can give you

(14:09):
as a human being. But after watching this documentary and
then watching that video, I was like, Yeah, it's probably
gonna be something like that. Right, They're gonna have to
be able to like just think and then be somewhere
or or something like that. It's gonna have to be
some type of time manipulation.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yeah, or they're able to like broadcast themselves, right, you know,
like like maybe they're completely non physical, but they're able
to broadcast their consciousness physically. And so it just like
kind of appears and and and that would make sense
because a lot of people explain seeing things that look

(14:48):
like they're they're not mechanical. Yeah, And I mean, just
look at our oceans, Like we've got some fucking crazy.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Shit We've got.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
We've got a squid that lives in the ocean that
looks like a fucking like it's literally it has blinking
colored lights that run up and down its body. It
looks like a fucking ufo. And that's that's something that
we know about that exists in our oceans. So maybe
it is some sort of weird biological creation or biomechanical even,

(15:20):
you know, maybe it is like maybe it's like a
biological machine that's being controlled by an alien consciousness somewhere
eons away.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Or maybe they just put their consciousness in these little
gray aliens that a lot of people describe as being
very suit like or yeah, anotronic being yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, there.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
They are talked about it, and and I've heard some
people who who have heard from from alleged people in
the know and the government and whatnot, that the grays
are that's what they're They're basically drones for another species.
Mm hmm. And they're just like, all right, let's let's

(16:05):
throw on this meat suit and go probe some assholes
literally and figuratively.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
You are just like who knows, I mean, like it
was funny. I was watching this thing about uh, I
don't know how I came across as but they're talking
about being teleported in Star Trek and how it's like
a complete destruction of that person and the key to
making that work the way it does in Star Trek
is to be able to break down and transfer their
consciousness as well. Maybe they're just figure out something like that.

(16:35):
Maybe it's not a matter of they just make these
drones and just like make a copy of their consciousness
and put it in that thing. It could be that simple.
That's that's what's crashing. That's the bodies that they're retrieving,
these little meat drones.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Or maybe maybe they're like able to split their consciousness
or not like split it, but have their consciousness in
all of these things. So it's like almost like a
hivemantality where all these things are still the main thing,
but they're also extensions of it.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Oh wow, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah, that's creepy man.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
It is. I mean, like when you really think about
this stuff, when we're looking at the evidence that with
that we're presented with today, the video footage that we're
presented with. Now we'll get into the rest of the documentary,
but this type of stuff, uh you kind of it
kind of gets more clear that it's not little green
men from like four planets over these things that are

(17:31):
doing this. If they're not like you know, us doing this,
they're there, they've got to be some creepy shit. They
gotta be some powerful shit.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Well, I think it's more just powerful relative to our experience,
cause if you're faced with something that's more advanced than you,
it's going to seem more powerful. But maybe that maybe
they're not, and they just have more experience than we do,
or maybe their bodies or their their consciousness is capable

(18:03):
of more than are.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Like.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
I don't mean to say that we're like an ant
to them, but compare us to an ant. You know,
we are basically gods. We create all this crazy shit.
We we can smash them at a whim, destroy them
with fire, just crush them with a finger.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, I think you're onto something there. I think that
when we think of aliens and them being advanced, we
think about them having the best technology in the universe,
or at least compared to us. But maybe they're spiritually advanced.
Maybe they're like tapped into some type of space magic
advanced or something like that, and they do have like

(18:44):
a weird magic ring that allows them to bend in
slow time and around a tube from their planet to Earth.
Maybe they're advanced in different ways, not just technologically.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Have you I can't, I can never remember, but have
you seen Invaders.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
In I know of it. I've never watched in.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
It's amazing and I highly recommend it to every single
person on the planet Earth. But there's an episode where
one of the characters gets abducted by this species of
aliens and they've got all this advanced technology and they're like,
they're abducting all these different species and the aliens themselves

(19:23):
are the biggest fucking idiots ever. They just have advanced
technology and that's it. Somehow their race was able to
develop advanced technology, but there's still fucking morons. And I
always thought that was a hilarious idea, Like here we
are being like, oh, these visitors are gonna provide enlightenment
and save us, and meanwhile they're.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Like, dirm, we're borage.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, it'll be the case most likely with our species.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Luck.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
But getting back to the documentary, after they talked about
the different theories, then they had a part called the Observers,
which was essentially just an interview with Jim Peniston talking
about his experience at Rendellsham Forest, which is the classic
experience that they included here, which I think is I

(20:15):
think it was a really good idea to include that
because it happened on a military base and it was
observed by multiple men on the base. And the unfortunate
thing is they didn't talk about the other events that
happened there. They only mentioned They only had Jim tell
his story, which admittedly as a fucking great story. You know,

(20:39):
the floating thing in the woods with the symbols engraved
on it, and he observed it, walked around it, and
he described the craft again and when he touched it
and all that, But they didn't talk about the other
events of the night, which I think would have helped,
like because I mean, there's been a bunch.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Of guys there.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
There are a bunch of guys that were there and
witness it that have come out, like Charles Holt. I
can't remember Peniston's partner.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
But he's talked about it.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
There was a guard on duty that has gone public
with it, and they only got Jim Peniston to do
it for some reason. But maybe the other guys just
don't like to talk about it anymore. I don't know
what the story is, but I think that could.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Have added to the story and provided more.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
I guess back up, for lack of a better term,
more testimony regarding that particular incident, because anybody who's knew
that would be coming into this wouldn't know that this
was an event that happened over the course of a
couple of nights and that it was observed by many people.

(21:52):
It wasn't just Jim Peniston's story, because it's it's easy
enough to hear the story from one person in one
perspective and be like, oh, well, yeah, this is one
person saying is where was everybody else on the military base?
And you had the commanding officer on base who has
gone on record to talk about this, Charles Holt, And
and then like I said, the other the other soldiers

(22:15):
that have also come out to talk about it, or
airman I should say that came out to talk about it.
It just I think it would have helped for for
people that were new to the subject coming into it
to to hear more from credible witnesses about what they saw.
But either way, it's it's still Jim Pennison's story is amazing,

(22:40):
and just he's he's a reliable witness in and of himself,
so I and I appreciate that they went with that
story rather than going with, like you said, the phoenix
lights because the Phoenix lights, there's there's nothing. It's weird.
It's a weird event. It was observed by thousands of
peace but it was just lights in the sky.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, it was just the sight of the day.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
And Roswell.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Everyone's heard of Roswell and at this point you're not
getting anything new about Roswell. Not that you're getting anything
new about Rendellsham. But again, this is for people that
are just coming into the topic that are kind of skeptical.
This is a good story to lead off with because
it's again it took place on a military base and
it's all military witnesses.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah, it's really cool to hear him tell the story again.
It was very interesting to see how he is stuck
with the same story and hasn't waivered at all. I mean,
he still gets teary eyed telling the story because it's
such a powerful event for the guy. I'm glad they
went with that story as well.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
But then from there they they get into the more
modern stuff that we're all we're all very familiar with
the the declassification of those Navy UFO footage, and then
they get into the NIMTS encounter, which I I don't

(24:06):
recall hearing about the Nimets encounter the way that they
presented it on this on this documentary, it was the way,
just the way that it was presented. I'm like, holy fuck,
that is so scary.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah, it's I think it has a lot to do
with the visual representation we get this time.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Like when they were just showing all those tic TACs
falling from the sky, I'm.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Like, holy fuck, dude, that would be terrifying.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, what do you do at that point? And you know,
we've talked about that, and I don't do you remember
that many appearing like like maybe I thought it was
just on radar, but he's saying he's seeing this like that,
what do you do in that situation when you're in
one of the most deadly things that could be in
the sky?

Speaker 3 (24:51):
What else You're like, Oh shit.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, that's something that's been being to death. It's something
that like even we know about. But maybe it was
a presentation, But I think it was just hearing the
people who went through it tell their story again after
all this time, and again they don't waiver, they're sticking
to the same story they've always told, and again the

(25:15):
animations of what happened. It's it's something we all know about,
but you should really take a good look at because
when you process that that's something that's happened, it's a
really holy fucking shit U faux moment.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, and just I mean, I never get sick of
hearing David Fravor tell the story because it's he when
he retells it, it's you can you can actually hear
like the sense of wonder in his voice, like what
the fuck, dude, Yeah, it's it's so awesome.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, he flies around in fighter jet, so he's got
a little bit more sand than most people. And that's
that's evident. He wasn't like, yeah, you know, shuddering in
his chair telling the story. He was just like, this
shit happened, bro, and it was fucking weird.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, yeah, it's great. And I love how he how
he says that, and I just kept thinking, I'd like
to fly that.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
But yeah, it was amazing. It was an amazing breakdown of
the tic TAC footage. And again the footage is terrible,
and you hear they played clips of him telling his
story I think on Rogan and he's using his military
speech and it's like, you know, twelve degrees at this
ten o'clock this, that, and it's where I was like, Okay,
I love you, but I don't. I don't. That doesn't
help me visualize this, so that their animations to it

(26:35):
really brought it home. And Jesus, I can't believe that happened.
That's insane. And I believe that happened. There's footage of it, you.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Know, right, yeah, yeah, And again for someone who's new
to the topic, that has just heard it over the
past few years that they've been making this stuff public,
it's it's good to kind of cement this in you know,
and and and show again we've got military witnesses here

(27:02):
and military video this time, and they don't know what
the fuck it is.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, it's just incredible. Yes, you know what I mean,
Like it's coming from You got to consider these guys,
even the gentleman from the Rendellstrom Forest stuff, if he's
he's kind of a whistleblower like this stuff, with this
uh TikTok stuff, this wasn't released initially.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
It was leaked, right, yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
I it seems like it was more of a controlled
leak sort of thing, like people within the military, like,
we got to get this out, and they got it
out before it was declassified, and then like a few
years later it was finally declassified and the Navy admitted, Yeah,
that's that's.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Real, right, right, So I took I took it with
a pinch of salt. I did those videos these days,
you know, the AI they're letting us use they they
were using ten years ago. That's how that goes. So,
you know, I can't believe any of that shit more.
But to see these guys Fravor and the other people
who witness it tell their stories, not being on Joe

(28:07):
Rogan or not being on USA today, but just sit
in a room and being comfortable, it was really really amazing.
That's that's just a mind blowing experience to hear about.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yeah, it is, but that that kind of the way
that they set it all up, Like you can see
how they're building the narrative. And then the next part
goes into things that they're doing to find evidence, and
they talk about the euphatogue system, which was developed by

(28:42):
the dude who did special effects for Close Encounters, that
Steven Spielberg movie, and he's done special effects for a
bunch of things but he was working with a I
can't remember if it was an astronomer or astrophysics, but
they came up with this eight camera sensor that originally

(29:05):
was so big they had to mount it on the
back of a truck, but they were able to figure
out a way to make it smaller and fit on
these platters. And basically what it is, it's an array
of eight cameras that's on this little disc thing that
looks at the sky, and then they'll set one up
like half a mile or a mile away and you know,

(29:28):
kind of do the same thing, but in a way
that there's going to be overlapping sections of sky. You're
just going to be seeing it from a different perspective.
And the reason that they did it that way was
they wanted to see if a strange, anomalous light or
object was caught on camera, and they're able to catch

(29:49):
it on camera across multiple different arrays, then they can
kind of judge the distance whether it's something that's high
up in the sky, because if it it's lower, like
if say you've got this thing mounted on a table
or something in the middle of a field and you
get something that flies over and.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
You're like oh shit, what the hell was that?

Speaker 2 (30:12):
And it was, you know, just a moth or something
that showed up on the camera that's not going to
show up on another camera that's half a mile a
mile away. But if you've got something that looks like
it's high up in the sky on one camera, then
you look at another camera and that same thing is
seen high up in the sky from a different perspective

(30:34):
or from a different vantage point, then you know, this
is something that's actually high up there and it's something weird.
And not only that, but now you're getting multiple angles
of it, so you're able to see it from you know,
make maneuvers from different perspectives. And they kind of just
started talking about the development of that and how that's

(30:55):
going to be used to hopefully, hopefully find better or
obtain better evidence of flying saucers. So they kind of
go through the whole thing like here's here's basically what's
going on, here's how we're looking for it, here's some witnesses,

(31:17):
and here's how we're getting evidence. And then they end
the documentary talking about this exotic material that they found
from the beginning of the movie, and they bring it
back around again and they say it. They said that
initial testing seems to indicate that it's made up of

(31:37):
elements that are not found on Earth, and based on
the lab testing, it was not even created in our
solar system, right yeah. Wow, But again that was initial testing.
Like let's think back to that Steven Greer documentary where
they were pushing that alien mummy thing and initial testing

(32:01):
was that its mother was human, but it's also has
some anomalous DNA and then nothing ever came of it
because that anomalous DNA wasn't really a thing.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Right, Yeah. The person who did the initial test said
that in their opinion, they the materials are exotic.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, and then that's where they leave it and then
to be continued in episode two, So I we'll cover
that when it comes out. It's kind of disappointing that
that's how it went down, especially considering the documentary itself
is only forty five minutes long. So I feel like
they could have just waited and released an hour and

(32:43):
a half long documentary and called it a day. But
I guess you got to get them dollars.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Right, I mean, releasing something like that these days, I'm
sure if they were told, like you're going to need
to make this multiple thing to prove that people watch it,
you know, are were interested, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Right, right, And it's not like it's released on you know,
Netflix or something for free, like yeah, you have to
actually buy or or digitally rented.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
What was it like, three ninety nine or four ninety.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Nine, yeah, three ninety nine. Yeah, it's you know, no
big deal, but it's kind of annoying. You don't get
the full thing, right. That's just me being like, I
want to know what's going on. These sons of bitches.
They they hooked me. They they they did exactly what
they wanted to do. And I'm going to buy the
second on too, because I want to know what happens.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
I failed to see that this was part one, so
when they pulled that shit at the other part two,
I was livid. I was livid, dude, but just because
it was that good. Those samples of these material, these
metals that they have, they don't look normal. They look
pretty cool, they said. He said one of them has
evidence of micro wiring it.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Yeah, fucked if I know. Man.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
It it did look weird. But also with molds, you
can make anything look weird.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Right, Yeah, Instagram will show you building a forge at
home and melting down soda cans can make some pretty
weird stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely all you need, and you can even
make your own uh what are they called. They're not molds,
but it's basically a mold, but using sand and shit.
Like it's a whole fucking thing. It's Oh yeah, I've
got I've got a friend who who was dabbling in
that as a hobby.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
I did that using silicone for a while. It's very
interesting stuff.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Oh yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, it just so did everybody else, and it got
like the materials doubled in price. I'm sure it's calmed down.
There's a lot of stuff I'm gonna do with that still,
but I'm old and lazy.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah I get it, man, I get it. So, I mean,
that's basically it. But it did lead me to this
Amy Rylance story, which I don't know if we covered
this early on, it may have just been like a
brief like, hey, this was a weird thing that happened,

(35:17):
sort of mentioned in an old episode. But it's it's
a fucking crazy story, man, And it reminds me a
lot of the Manhattan at the Manhattan Alien abduction story.
It doesn't get as wild and kooky, but it gets
kind of weird. And by weird, I mean like where

(35:41):
I'm wondering if these people might just be up to
something instead of actually genuine about their experience.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
So this story goes well. The events take place over
one night from Thursday, October fourth, two thousand and one
into the early hours of Friday morning, October fifth, and
there's three people involved in the story. There's Amy Rylance,

(36:13):
who is the one that was abducted, her husband Keith,
and their business partner, woman named Petra Heller, and the
three of them were working to develop this property near
an area called Tirro. I don't know if that's I

(36:34):
apologize Australians. I don't know where anything is in Australia
and I could even be pronouncing the name of it wrong,
but Trro is what I'm going with. So they owned
this property near Trro and they were developing a winery
that they had called Whispering Winds and this was they

(36:57):
were trying to make it like an event area, so
like they were going to do the winery and then
they were thinking of setting up a bunch of other
things that people could do to make it kind of
like a destination that people would want.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
To travel to.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
The story goes that on the night of the fourth
they were on.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
The property.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
In a trailer and Keith Rylance had gone to bed
around nine thirty pm and went into the bedroom, and
Petra decided she was also going to go to bed,
while Amy remained in the living room on the couch
watching TV. And the way that this trailer was set

(37:42):
up was the living room was separated from the bedroom
Petra was in by a wall and a door that
Petra said she had left partially open that night, and
then on the other side of the room was the
bedroom that Keith was in, and he had his door

(38:05):
just left open, so the door the living room went
directly into the bedroom, and then Amy just ended up
falling asleep on the couch while she was watching TV.
Around eleven fifteen at night, Petra claims that something woke
her up and she walked out into the living room

(38:28):
and she saw a rectangular beam of light that was
being projected through the open window in the room, and
she said that the beam of light appeared to be
cut off at the end, so like it was coming
through the window, but there was a it didn't just
go and beam across the wall like it was in

(38:49):
the room and just stopped and within this beam, Amy
was still sleeping, but she was floating and being carried
headfirst through the wind window, but the window was open,
but she went through the screen. And she also noticed
that there were other items that had been near Amy,

(39:13):
like some items that were like probably a cup or
something that was left on the table, and a pillow
that was on the couch. And she followed the light
as it was pulling Amy out the window, and she
saw that the light was emanating from this disc shaped

(39:34):
craft that was hovering just above the ground, positioned near
a tree behind behind the trailer. And Petra was so
freaked out she claims that she ended up fainting with shock,
and then she regained consciousness and the UFO was gone

(40:00):
and Amy was gone. She started freaking out, losing her
shit and was screaming, which then woke up Keith. He
came out and he was trying to figure out what
was going on, but Petra was in such hysterics that
she couldn't really get the story out. So he starts
looking around, noticing Amy's not there. And he realizes that

(40:22):
the window screen had been torn, so it was torn
vertically down the middle, and then it was cut along
the bottom of the frame, and so he sees that
this is open. He sees Amy is missing, and Petra
is freaking out, and he starts, you know, he's worried

(40:42):
because what the fuck is going on? And he's finally
able to get Petra to calm down, and she explains
to him he saw what she saw. And at first
Keith is skeptical because, I mean, despite seeing someone freak
out like that, if you hear someone tellelling you that
someone was pulled out the window by a beam of light,

(41:03):
you're not going to immediately be like, you know what.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
I believe it.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
It's a crazy story to have someone believe, right, But yeah, eventually,
I mean, he knew Patra, and as he was talking
to her, he started to believe her. And the fact
that he went outside and was still unable to find
his wife. What other explanation was there except for what

(41:29):
she's telling him.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
So about patro woke up at.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Eleven fifteen and saw her being pulled out the window.
By eleven forty, Keith had made the decision to call
the Tierro Police Department, and so we called them and
he reported that his wife had been abducted. Didn't say
by aliens, he just said his wife has been abducted
and he was urgently requesting police assistance. I guess there

(41:57):
was a bunch of staffing issues going on at the department,
so they were delays in the police response, and it
took them an hour and a half to get there.
So finally Senior Constable Robert Maragna from the Tierro Police
Department and then another officer from the local Mayborough Police

(42:18):
Department arrived on the scene and based on the call,
they were expecting that they were going to walk into
a crime scene and they were preparing themselves for that.
But once they got there and saw how shooking up
these people were and heard the story, they didn't know
what to make of it, because again, it's an extraordinary story.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
It's not going to be something that you're.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Willingly going to just be like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah,
But they related the whole story, and the officers, to
their credit, said that they maintained an open minded approach,
but they ended up calling in the senior officer charge,
Sergeant John Bosniak, and he.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Was home, but he got called in.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
And ended up joining the other two officers on the scene.
Once he showed up, he was also able to tell
that Keith and Petro were agitated, and obviously there was
no sign of Amy, so they assumed that that's what happened,
was that Amy was the one that was missing and

(43:29):
these were the people left behind. They started looking around.
They examined the torn screen to see if they could
find any evidence there. They looked around the outside and
they noticed that there was a flowering bush and on
one side of the bush it was. The bush itself
was on the left side of the window, and the
bush itself showed signs along the right side of it

(43:54):
that there was some stress due to heat. There was
also another plant, which was a abyss gets located on the
other side and that didn't have any sort of heat
effect to it at all, but just to be safe,
the police collected samples from both and said they would
test them. While the police were there talking to Keith

(44:17):
and Petra, Keith received a phone call, so he took
the phone call and it was from a woman who
lived in McKay, which was seven hundred and ninety kilometers
which is almost five hundred miles away from where they
where they were presently, and she told him that she

(44:41):
found a distressed and dehydrated young woman at a gas
station and she was asking her questions and she found
out that this woman was named Amy Rylance and she
had been taken to McKay Hospital where she was examined
by a doctor. So Keith relaid this information to the
officers and one of the officers got on the phone

(45:03):
and talked to this woman as well. So now they've
got the Tiarro Police Department involved in the Mayborough Police
Department involved on that end. But now that Amy is
in the hospital five hundred miles away, they got the
McKay Police Department involved as well, and so they interviewed.

(45:26):
The McKay Police Department interviewed to Amy and under the
Australian Justice Act, she gave a formal statement that was notarized.
And it's basically like here, if you commit perjury, you
can have charges brought against you, and that's the same

(45:47):
deal here. If she provided she's required by law to
provide information to the best of her knowledge.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
So her last they're they're asking her all the questions
like what do you last remember?

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Where were you? And her last.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Memory was lying on the couch back in the trailer,
And she had absolutely no memory of the events.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
That were described by Petra.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
So she doesn't remember a UFO, she doesn't remember a
beam of light, she doesn't remember being taken anywhere. The
next thing she remembered was waking up on a bench
in this weird room. She said it was rectangular shaped
and the walls and ceiling were illuminated, and she was

(46:37):
all by herself and she was calling out for you know,
I would assume to see if anyone's around or calling
for help, but she said that she heard this male
voice that was reassuring her to stay calm and telling
her that she would not be harmed. And eventually this
six foot tall man enters the room, and she said

(47:00):
he was slender, and he wore a full body suit
with a black mask covering his face except for his eyes, nose,
and mouth, so a six foot tall gimp apparently, and
he continued to reassure her and tell her she was
going to be fine, and she said she from what

(47:22):
she can recall, she felt like she was in the
room for a while for a long time, and then
she was informed by this man that they were going
to return her to a location near where they had
taken her, and they said they couldn't return her to
the property itself because there were lights on the property

(47:43):
that were not safe. And then the next thing she
remembers was laying down in a bed and falling asleep.
So I'm wondering if he said the lights on the property,
if he was talking about the police. Maybe, but it
seems weird to drop her out fucking five hundred miles away.
That's not exactly close his son's bitches. But I guess
if you're a spacefaring race, Yeah, yeah, miles is the

(48:06):
blink of an eye, you know.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yeah, they're all that's kind of easy for us. That's
that's like within the dot for us.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Yeah, figure it out.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
We got yet, at least it's the same continent.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Figure it out.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
But the next thing she remembers after falling asleep in
this bed was waking up outside surrounded by trees, and
when she woke up, she felt completely disoriented, but she
said she could smell the ocean. So she got up
and started wandering around, and she said she was walking
through the bush for quite some time, and it didn't

(48:41):
feel like she was making any progress. She said, she
just kind of walking and just felt like she wasn't
going anywhere. But finally she emerged onto a road that
she thought was a highway and she noticed that there
were lights on at a gas station. So she walked
to the gas station and asked the people that were

(49:01):
working there if they could help her, and they so.
They gave her water because she was obviously dehydrated, and
asked her what the deal was, and she wasn't able
to answer any questions about who she was, or where
she came from, or what she was doing. She just
seemed really out of it and disoriented. So then they

(49:22):
asked her if she had taken anything, if she had
been drinking, and she said no, I just I feel tired,
I'm sore, and I feel drained. So, not knowing what
else to do, she asked if they could take her
to the hospital. So one of the women who worked
there and her friend took Amy to the hospital and

(49:46):
Amy got there explain what happened. There were police officers
that came in and they had they started talking to
her at that point, and then she called her she
was able to call Keith over the phone. So after
she got done with the hospital, she goes to the
police station, provides her statement, signs all the necessary paperwork

(50:11):
that she's not lying, and then the police arranged for
her to stay at a local motel until Keith and
Petra arrived, and then they spent a bunch of time
with her discussing what had happened. They took detailed notes,
and then photographs were taken of parts of her body,

(50:34):
and there were triangular marks on her inner thighs, and
she had these weird marks on each heel of her feet.
And it was when they were going looking at her
and they noticed that her hair had grown. Earlier in
the week, she had gotten her hair dyed, and there
was already growth from the roots where her natural hair

(50:58):
color was growing in. So it had been you know,
that's not something that's going to happen just over a
couple of days. But then her body hair had also grown,
so and the fact that she was dehydrated would seem
to indicate that a much larger time amount of time
had passed rather than a few hours.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
That she had actually been missing.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Right, So, after all this happened, obviously it caught the
attention of the news. They gave a brief interview to
local news and then they had They ended up buying
a copy of the Australian Ufologist magazine and through there
they were able to find contact information for the Australian

(51:44):
UFO Research Office and Keith ended up reaching out to
them and he spoke with a woman named Diane Harrison.
This was the following day, so October fifth. He called
her around mid afternoon between three for in the afternoon
and him and Amy shared their story with Diane. They

(52:07):
talked to her for an hour and apparently Petro was
asleep during this conversation, so she didn't She wasn't interviewed
by Diane at all, but the mention of this beam
of light that ended, which she referred to as solid light,

(52:27):
kind of caught Diane's attention. There was a local researcher
coming through the area named Bill Chalker, and he was
going to be a speaker at a UFO conference in
Brisbane on October thirteenth, so she called him.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Up because his.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Topic that he was covering at this conference was solid
light cases and the scientific approach to alien abduction cases.
So She's like, fuck, man, I gotta call this guy
and let him know this is like right up his alley.
So he immediately calls Keith and starts to talk. Well,
he calls the motel and talks to Keith and Amy

(53:11):
and got their permission to record the conversation. But for
whatever reason, during this call, Petra also wasn't available to
discuss what she witnessed, so he just got the information
from Keith and Amy, which remember Keith didn't witness anything
and Amy doesn't remember anything, so she just kind of

(53:32):
gave his information and Keith was filling in the story
that Petra gave him, and then while they were talking
to him, Keith was also going over the notes that
he had taken that day when when him and Petro
were talking to Amy. And then Bill wanted to have
just a one on one conversation with Amy, focusing on

(53:55):
the events that occurred before and after her experiences on
the craft itself. He just wanted to see because Keith
provided a bunch of information about this, but he wanted
to see if Amy had the same information and their
stories matched, because you know, Keith's Keith's story came from

(54:21):
what Amy told him, so so it wasn't really a surprise,
But what happened after that was kind of weird because
Keith wanted to He started talking about controlling the story,
and he wanted to kind of control which members of
the media were involved and who the investigators were. And

(54:46):
he was really, I guess excited to get the story
out to the media and wanted to do it like immediately.
He wanted to go out and get the story out
and control of the narrative, but both Diane and Bill
told him to consider the consequences of pushing it out

(55:07):
there like that. You know, you're you're going to be
under a lot of scrutiny and criticism, and you know,
basically just pumped the brakes a little bit. But throughout
the interview, Keith started to restrict how deep the investigation
could go, even going so far as to say that

(55:28):
they didn't need to provide proof of their experiences, which
I mean, admittedly, how are you going to provide any
proof of that? But he did say he didn't witness
any of the events, but he believed both Amy and Petra.
But weirdly enough, Petra never really gave her statement.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
But another kind of weird twist in the story happened
when the he in talking to both Diane and Bill,
it was decided they were going to start conducting the investigation,
and Keith told them that he would wait for them
to come up to McKay and do his interview in McKay.

(56:15):
None of them had any they none of them were
in any rush to get back home, but he did
tell Bill and Diane that they could visit the property
and that they were allowed to spend the night on
the property to conduct an investigation.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
So Bill flies.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
In on the afternoon of October ninth and then met
up with Diane and they traveled to the Whispering Winds property.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
They got there just after.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Ten pm and set up for the night. So again,
this is the ninth October ninth, So this is now
five days afterwards and Amy, Keith and are still in Mackay.
They haven't returned home since since they had been gone,
though Keith had arranged for one of the neighbors to

(57:09):
check on their pets. They had a dog and a parrot,
and the investigators while they were there were because they
were staying there, they were obviously interacting with the dog
and at one point they noticed that the dog had
jumped up on the window where the damaged screen was
and took a look at the screen and made the

(57:32):
observation that this damage, at least in part, was due
to the dog jumping up on the window and tearing
out the screen, so that it's not likely that the
screen was anything paranormal. Then they started looking at the
plant that had damaged, and they started looking around the house,

(57:56):
and the one plant in particular that was noted damage
did have damage to it, but it looked like it
was heat stress. And so they looked around the house
and they found another plant from the same species that
was also damage that wouldn't have been anywhere near in
contact with this light. And then they looked at the

(58:21):
same species of plant at a completely different location and
noticed the same sort of heat stress and heat stress
kind occurr in certain and plants, like I've had it
happen in my pepper plants. If we're in a period
where it's exceedingly hot and there's not a whole lot
of rain, they'll kind of get shrively and deformed looking,

(58:47):
So it's, you know, it's something that happens. I think
it was more an observation of the police noticing the
damage right next to the window where this was alleged
to have happened. That that more so than actual belief
that it was an alien beam that caused that. But
you know, these people are doing the investigations, so they

(59:08):
want to make sure that they're doing everything properly. And
these two Bill and Diane were also interested in conducting
investigations in McKay, focusing on the area where Amy was
I guess woke up or had been returned or dropped
off or whatever. They were trying to kind of walk

(59:31):
back through the path that she may have taken, retracing
her footsteps, and they did obtain surveillance video that showed
Amy's visit to the gas station, so they were able
to verify that that did in fact happen. But they
they did have some questions that came up in the

(59:55):
investigation and they needed to gain a better understanding of
what happened, so they wanted to talk to Keith an
Amy in person. And when they had talked to them last,
Keith had told them that they'd be available in McKay,
But when they reached out and McKay, they weren't. They
weren't able to set up an interview, so the investigators

(01:00:18):
contacted the motel where they were all staying and discovered
that they checked out that morning, so the investigators called,
they left messages for Keith, and the following afternoon he
called back and explained to them that they were leaving

(01:00:40):
McKay and they were going to an undisclosed location after
what he described as a men in black encounter, and
he said that they had been pursued by a dark
brown four wheel drive truck which freaked him out, and
they decided that they were going to to be leaving

(01:01:02):
after Keith was able to shake him off his tail allegedly,
and once they lost him, they decided, we're checking out
and re leaving the area. So the investigators with his
men in black experience, wanted to make sure that they
could stay in contact with them, so they were trying

(01:01:23):
to have an ongoing communication between them and Keith or
them and Amy, and they made efforts to stay in
contact and get more information. But after that phone call, Amy, Keith,
and Petra disappeared. They weren't able to get no one
was able to get in touch with them. The investigators

(01:01:45):
lost track of them and that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Was that was that was that?

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
So no one is able to get a hold of
them ever again as far as investigation goes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
No, nope, they went radio silent. They wanted there was
a bunch of stuff that they wanted to go over
with them. They couldn't resolve the case because obviously there
were a lot of questions left and they still had
things going on, but they were trying. They were even
looking into this men in black experience and they weren't

(01:02:20):
able to get any more information about that, and they
wanted to to. They really wanted to get all the
information and close the case. But it never happened, and
twenty three years later, no one's been able to track
them down. Now, there is an interesting little PostScript to

(01:02:42):
this story. In February of twenty twenty four, Keith's daughter
came out and said that Keith passed away in twenty
twenty one, and he said, not long after the events
that happened, Keith and Amy ended up separating and going

(01:03:03):
their separate ways. No one knows what happened to Petra
and Amy is still radio silent.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Wow. Okay, so after you know hearing this case, do
you think that they were trying to get some notoriety
for a story and saw how serious it got and
backed out. Or do you think they got spooked by
whoever was chasing them down and that that was enough
for them to fucking lay low and call it quit?

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Yeah, Or it wasn't painting out the way that they
expected it and it was all an elaborate hoax.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Yeah, yeah, like they're just trying to get some notoriety.
It was just a hoax and then it got out
of hand. But I don't know, you can say just
as easy that if they were intimidated by anybody, them
disappearing is exactly what I would do.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
I mean if it was a hoax, it would have
had to have been a very well thought out hoax.
You know, she have had to have dyed her hair
and somehow maybe just dyed her roots or natural color
and stopped shaving her legs for a certain amount of
time and stopped drinking water so they should be dehydrated.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Right. But see, that's those are really great case like
points about this case. But we're only getting the fact
that her legs like were shaved the day before from
these people, Like how right, how do we know she
dyed her hair two days ago, because for for like
she said, she did, Okay, well, dyeing your hair and

(01:04:38):
being gone for two days, you're not going to get
roots that fast, You're right, that's a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
But because they weren't able to do any follow up,
they I'm sure they weren't able to find out where
she got her hair died from and then go check
with them to coroborate that story, you know, So that
there's a lot of holes and there's a lot of
I don't know, Like I feel the same way about
this that I feel about that Manhattan alien abduction. Like

(01:05:06):
it just seems like it's a very weird case, but
it also seems like maybe they were just trying to
get a little bit of fame out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Of it, right. But then again, I just there's that
part of me that's just like, well, I mean, if
something like this is gonna happen, this is what it's
gonna sound like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
The other weird thing to me is the fact that
Petra was always unavailable when the interviews were taking place,
and she was the only one to witness this shit, right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
That is strange. But I can easily see her being
freaked out enough to her She's like, I'm not I
don't want anything to do with this. I do find
it strange that them disappearing. I don't know about in Australia,
but here in the United States, if you call an ambulance,
you're paying for it. If different police jurisdiction is looking
for you, they're not going to let you disappear. They

(01:05:57):
know where you are after that. And maybe maybe they
told the police, don't give our information out to investigators
or journalists. Maybe that, yeah, you know, because I'm sure
the fucking cops where they were after that, so yeah,
but who knows. Maybe journalists and investigators couldn't get a
hold of them, but I would think the police would
know how to get a hold of that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Afterwards, right, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
I don't know if the police have made any comment,
you know, I'm sure that would have been something that
would have re reported, just as much as them being
busted or prosecuted for wasting police resources or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
And like I said, she had to sign a notarized
document saying that she was telling the whole truth and
nothing about the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Right under penalty of perjury, you know, that's that serious. Shit. Yeah,
very interesting case. I love when there's some type of
physical evidence like that. It reminds me of the Wyoming case.
You know, them testing that guy's blood and they're just
been like you've been eating for it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Yeah, yeah, with all the vitamins and shit.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Yeah, you just can't say anything against that, you know.
That I think is a little bit stronger than this case,
because I don't think there's much in this case other
than that dude being eager to get the story out
and want to be in control of it. I don't know,
I can't. I mean, like, if that happened and I
was gonna tell the story, I'd want to be in
control of telling it as well. I can't. I can't
blame them for that, but yeah, you know, but just

(01:07:19):
taking it as a story, somebody reporting this story, that's
pretty crazy, and like I said that, this is what
it's gonna sound like. It's gonna be unbelievable like this.
You know, so at some point we're gonna have to
consider stories like this. It just seems like stories like
this are so an opposite direction of what's happening now,
what's coming out now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Yeah, this story seems more in line with stuff from
from like the sixties and seventies.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Right right, you know. But I'm sure people who are
going through this stuff see how shitty people are on
the internet, and they're just like, I'm not telling anybody
this shit. I'm never gonna talk about this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Yeah, and who can blame when you have assholes like
maybeing like, fuck you, you're trying to get rich?

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Yeah it was a bart o will dummy.

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