June 13, 2025 • 50 mins
We've often discussed the idea that paranormal entities may be feeding off of our emotional response to their presence. It seems pretty likely, doesn't it? The more a person gets scared or responds to the haunting/possession/whatever, the more activity ramps up.
Recently, we discovered that the essence these things feed on has a name. That name is the Loosh. We're gonna talk about that.
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Recently, we discovered that the essence these things feed on has a name. That name is the Loosh. We're gonna talk about that.
thanks for listening!
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
What's up everybody, Thanks for listening to the what cast Tonight.
We're gonna do something a little bit different and just
kind of do the show off the cuff. I came
across something that I saved to cover and read a
lot more into, but uh, I kind of just looked
at it today and after reading into it, I said,
holy shit, we got to cover this. So we're not
(00:45):
going to let proper research off us. We're just gonna
kind of cover this subject as as we go.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I got a feeling this is going to be a
ship show. I just before we even started. I just
I had the vibe that this was going to be
a show show. And now that you put it all
on the table like that, like this, this is gonna
be like the fabled Black Night Satellite episode.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I was gonna say, we haven't had an O Parts
show in quite some time.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, I don't. I always go back to the Black
Knight satellite episode because we had to record that son
of a Bitch three fucking times and by the last
time it was just off the rails and fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
That's exactly what happened with the O Parts. I think
we recorded that one three times and then never released
that O parts episode.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I wish that we kept that original recording because holy shit,
that was that was a shit show like that would
have been good to release on Patreon now, just just
as like hidden hidden media of the what cast?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
What was the problem where we just.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I don't even know dude that. I mean, that was
probably in our first or second year, and I think
we just couldn't stay fo and it was just way
more like I think we recorded like an hour's worth
of stuff and there was probably only like ten minutes
that was show related, I believe. And it could have
(02:18):
also been that we I think it was you had
just started dabbling with the uh the whax stuff. Oh yeah,
And I think I may have imbibed a bit too much.
I think we were both heavily inebriated in some way,
shape or form, is what I'm trying to get.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Oh. If it was, yeah, if it was that earlier
the show, I was fucking drunk, I was loaded.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, could could have been that. I don't know. I
remember that it was a complete and utter train wreck.
And I don't think anybody would ever find that entertainer,
but probably somebody, probably someone someone would enjoy it just
for being just a complete fucking car wrec and like,
(03:06):
look at these assholes. Who the fuck do they think
they are?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Right? Yeah, and that's our luck. We talked about that
once and uh, the folks on Patreon said, fuck that,
release the fuck up shows like that. We want to
hear that stuff. And we haven't had a fuck show since.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I know when. But guys, when we do, when we
do get a fuck up show, we'll release it solely
to the patrons because they're they're the loudest ones asking
for that shit. For some reason, They're they're gluttons for punishment,
I guess, yeah, but we haven't had one, so, you know,
Although I was that Carla Turner episode that came out
(03:45):
a couple of weeks ago or maybe last week whenever
it was. We had recorded that like three or four
weeks prior to its release, but it was I was
using an old mic because I was having problems and
the sound was all fucky. So Matteo was working on it,
trying to get cleaned up, and I was just about
to suggest just put it on Patreon and just just
(04:08):
let them have it and it's shitty glory, but he
was able to clean it up, so we didn't have
to record that again, thankfully.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah. I think the only show that we have that's
in the pocket that we haven't released or never released
is the episode where we used AI to generate images
of known cryptis to see how good it would be.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Oh, I forgot was I don't I remember we recorded that.
I couldn't remember if that was supposed to be a
show or if that was for patrons. I don't, I
don't remember.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, mean neither. It's just on my desktop. I think
I'm just gonna use it for YouTube because it has
imagery with it. It's not you know, what's the point.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Of fucking oh yeah, yeah, good point, goode.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, see, I'm a thinker.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I mean, we could put it through it on Patreon anyway.
We're not here to talk about what we're gonna do
on Patreon, although you should absolutely join. You should one
join Patreon and and uh do all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
And I would like to point out that we're five
and a half minutes in and we haven't started.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
We've already gone off the rails. We wasted your time
talking about what we're gonna put and we're still doing it.
We're still fucking doing it. So anyway, bottom line Patreon.
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Speaker 1 (06:01):
Oh see, okay, I was thinking of like using that
to hold a pen, but wow.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
All right, you've got a prehensile d. He's a man
of many talents, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I was gonna use some tape, some some string.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Either way, that's fucking talent.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Oh man.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Very a lot of control there, you know, a lot
of control.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It's gonna be at overt all right. So we're gonna
try to get this show going. What we're here to
talk about tonight. The article that I was mentioning earlier,
it was is a word I've never seen before, and
I found it looking up how people can tell ghosts
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are around and stuff and me and Mike, I've always
called that the holy ship, like the over over the Yeah,
this overpowering sense of fear and doom, and you know
it doesn't come from you. I came to this term
called the looche, and I didn't get to read into
it until today. Like I said, but this is a
word coined by a gentleman named Robert Monroe. He was
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a radio programmer and he went on to like a
patent with some twenty eight devices in order to basically,
he's the dude who coined the term out of body experience.
I don't know if you're familiar with the Monroe Institute, Mike, Yes,
I am. Yeah, that's this. He started it, Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I think I I'm pretty sure that I used to
have a book by him.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, I can't remember the name of it, but I
don't have it anymore, so it's irrelevant. But I'm pretty
sure I used to have one of his books that
I read like twenty some odd years.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Ago, Journeys out of the Body. Is that ring a bell? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
It does?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, that might be it. That might be it. It
could be well, he got into these out of body
experience experiments. I don't know, but he's he got into
it so much as a patent, Like, like I said,
over twenty eight devices that were able to he claimed
to activate these parts of the brain to trigger these
out of body experiences through sound. That was his big thing,
(08:24):
being in radio and all that stuff allegedly. Yeah, So
through the years, we've talked about and wondered why ghosts
and stuff, demons whatever, all that stuff come around. What
do they want? What do they want from us? And
we talked a little bit about a traumatic mind control
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in the Karla Turner episode, and we talked about gathering
negative energy like that, and that's basically what this term
comes from. I'm going to read directly hear from this
article which all links so you guys can see it.
It says a term applied to energy reduction by human
beings and animals that other entities used to feed from.
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It is also used to refer to the energy that
is produced by suffering that entities feed. That's basically what
this term, loosely.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And that's something that we have talked about so many times,
Like it seems like these entities whatever they are, feed
on negative energies that they're causing these reactions so that
they can eat or feed.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Right, That's why I found this term so fascinating. This
guy's pretty much hitting what we've always talked about and
wondered about right on the head.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, it's like a monster's ink sort of situation.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah. I think we mentioned that in the Turner episode.
It maybe it's something like that. That's they weren't too
far off, and it seems to be the case. Yeah.
In nineteen fifty three he formed Ram Enterprises. That's where
he produced radio network programs. It turned into a different
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company in nineteen sixty two, but ultimately settled on being
the Monroe Institute. And the Monroe Institute has taken so
serious in his what he studies, the out of body
experience stuff, that in nineteen seventy eight the US Military
evaluated the Monroe Institute and arranged to send officers there
for out of body experience training, and it went so
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well that in nineteen eighty three it sent additional officers
to receive training.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Is that like the Russell targ stuff? Is it related
to that, like the men who ster at goats thing?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I don't think so. And this is just something that
he was championing. He made like this group that started
studying what this is, and he started experimenting with it
and having these out of body experiences. And we'll get
more into that. I'll have you read the second part
because it gets into these what's feeding on this stuff?
What I did read earlier, I didn't come across anything
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about that. This two separate entities. He just caught the
attention of the government and they took it so serious
that they actually sent people there to train on how
to have out of body experiences, and it went so
well they sent more.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
So it's interesting that he is the guy that's known
for the talking about out of body experiences and basically
making that a well known subject while also talking about
this loosh thing. Back twenty some odd years ago, I
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used to work second shift at a call center for
a bank. I would because I would work second shift,
we would end up getting a lot of downtime. Like
I would work till midnight, and usually around like nine
o'clock at night, things would die down and it'd be
it would get really slow, so I'd have a lot
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of time to kill, which is when I would do
a lot of reading, which would be when I read
one of his books. I'm not sure if it was
the one you mentioned, But I was also doing a
lot of research on astral projection and reading like because
I was obsessed with trying to figure out how to
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do it and you know, really realize whether or not
it was real, and try to access other areas of
non physical reality. But in doing my research, I was
also reading like testimonies and stuff. There was there's a
lot of testimony from people that have been able to
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astraally project about these I don't know if you really
want to call them beings or animals or entities of
some sort that exs exist in non physical reality and
you can only see them when you're in your astrobody,
but they'll attach to you and they'll feed off of you.
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And I wonder, because we've talked about these these beings,
and I always I always make the equation aliens equals demons,
equals fairies, equals gin equals ghosts, and it's all the
same and sometimes equals Bigfoot. But to me, it's it's
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all variations of the same sort of phenomenon. And I
think that these things, why they're not readily seen is
because they exist in another plane of reality that we
don't typically have access to. And I think that when
we astraally project, that allows us to kind of put
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ourselves at an equal level with them in terms of
where we are are in the in the universe. We
obviously were not native to that. So it would be
like and it would be like a diver putting on
a scuba tank and jumping into the water to observe sharks,
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Like you're, you are now able to exist in this realm,
but it's still not your realm, right, you know, you're
you are the visitor.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Here, Yeah, just inhabit that space.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And and I think that's to a
certain extent the way that it is when they cross over.
I just think that they're able to they're more aware
of the power they have when they come here where
I think someone who's experienced with astral travel and and
how to I guess harness their energy and everything, I
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think that they would be able to exert a good
deal of power and control in that realm. But it
something from there came here, they would have to have
the know how to do it as well, which is
why I think you see different levels. But I think
with them when they cross over, I think they're able
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to get stronger the more they're able to feed. So
if they cross over and they're able to do something
as simple as a few knocks and it's enough to
elicit a bit of fear, they're able to feed off
that fear. Then they can move on from there. Now
they can start doing foot stomps in the hallway, and
then that creates more fear. Now they can slam doors
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in the middle of the night. Then they can start
throwing shit around, and eventually they're trying to strangle you
with your curtains just to get that. It's like it's
like chasing the dragon man. They got a little taste
and like, ah fuck, I need to get that feeling back.
And they keep escalating and escalating, and yeah, it's getting
their fixed, but they're not getting off like they did
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that first time.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Right, And that kind of makes it for like all
the stories of traditional poltergeist and haunting activity. You know,
it just starts off small, then people react and it
gets more yeah, yeah, yeah, And but.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
It also explains all these different things that are you know,
I guess in terms of like the human understanding they're
all these things that that are seemingly different, but they
all kind of start in a similar fashion. Like even
if even if we go back to Carla Turner's book
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and talk about the when she first started experiencing things,
it started small, and then as things escalated, she's like,
I'm being abducted, you know, every day, and everyone that
I've ever met ever is also being abducted every day.
You know that that's an extreme case there with with
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this sort of situation, but you you hear it all
the time in haunting case after haunt, in case after haunting.
Case I pointed out situations with Bigfoot being like a
poulter Geist. Look at fairy lore. A lot of that
is pretty similar. But even there's been so many cases
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where there's been alien activity that seems to be like
a poulter Geist before anything even happens.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Sure there sure are.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
And then there's also like demonic possessions of either property
or of individuals, and a lot of times it will
start as a haunting with knocks and sounds and things
being moved around and voices and all that, and then
someone gets possessed. So it's it's there's all these similar
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hallmarks that kind of you got to tick off and
be like, well, well, is it just coincidence that all
this stuff kind of unfolds in the same way, and
it's all based around negative reactions. And it's also weird
how how things will escalate when there's negative emotions already
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present in the house, almost like it's feeding more, it's
getting stronger.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah. It makes me think of like old episodes of
Unsolved Mysteries when they'll have like somebody claiming there's a
peaceful ghost in her house or friendly ghost, and they'll
catch her footage where shit's flying off the shelves and
they talk to it. They'll be like, hey, knock that off.
I was using that, And that's where it ends. They're
not giving the negative reactions and the fearful reactions, you know.
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And if you think about it, when you see footage
to where like stuff's flying off the walls and there's
bangs and stuff and people are screaming, it's just because
people are screaming, people are freaking out. It kind of
kind of coincides with what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, Or where there's a situation, say you've got a
couple that's living together that's fighting a lot. You're gonna
see the activity increase during that time because there's already
stress in the in the household, there's already negative feelings.
And if it's able to add to that, like, that's
a that's a fucking feast. It's that's like being like, well,
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why settle for a boloney sandwich when I can have Thanksgiving?
You know, just throw it out there and get let's
get shit going.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, who likes eating alone too, So they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Ye, tell everything, put on a big spread and invite
the neighbors.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Absolutely, Okay, So that's to see here the next section
in this article or this page, it seems to be
like a Wikipedia of creepy stuff, and you know, the
type of stuff we would all like. The title is
called a Negative Emotional Energy Collection. So there it is,
Mike's They already had a name for this. Would you
mind reading that that section.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Mike, Yeah, this I will. But I'm gonna I'm gonna
preface this by saying that this is very new age
woo oo stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Right, This is not necessarily our views. This is the
views of Monroe dude. So this is just.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
So according to mister Monroe Institute himself, there are these
things called reversal networks. The reversal networks are collecting life
force from all the collective fields of all Earth inhabitants
and the result is creating more black force on the
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planet and sending energetic currents into reversal patterns and blah
blah blah ai evil aliens blah blah blah. So like
I said, well, while I'm reading this, if you've got
a crystal butp plug that you can hold close to
your heart, and that was the time, thank ishtar and
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do all that. Now's the time protect yourself from the
from the negative alien agenda. But anyway, these reversal networks
are collecting life force from the fields of Earth inhabitants
and producing this black energy that goes out and does
spooky evil things. The much sought after spiritual energy contained
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in these fields is called energetic loosh by the cabals.
In this context, lush is referred to as the emotional
energy radiated by animals and humans when feeling threatened, harm
or being killed, and that results in traumatizing pain and
suffering that is experienced and recorded in the body, mind,
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and soul. This trauma and pain gets recorded in the
earth body itself. For centuries, the negative alien agenda have
developed and exploited multidimensional cult practices through reversal creation code.
This has been given to secret societies and institution for
purposes of mind control and social engineering in order to
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harvest negative emotional energy or loose from the masses.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Okay, so I mean you're very correct there with it
sounding new agy it really does, but nonetheless it identifies
like what we've talked about.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Forever, and that also, like I don't want to go
like down too far down the u the gross conspiracy role,
but this also ties in with the adrenochrome conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Sure does.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I'm just gonna leave it at that. If you don't
know what that is, you can google it on your own.
That's We're a happy, fun time show. We're not here
to talk about that type of stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, watch fear and loathing.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
But but energy sucking ghost creatures from other dimensions, that
that's happy fun time stuff, yes, sir, But it's just
it really just kind of further all this stuff we've
been talking about, and even if you get into the
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military abductions where even in those it seems like they
are trying to elicit fear in order to create this
I don't even know if it's to create the scenario
or if the scenario is there to create this specific
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fear response. And then just the different medical experiments and
stuff that these people remember when they undergo hypnosis that
up until then they had no memory of it, but
then it all comes flooding back. But the weird thing
is that it's interesting here they say that the traumatizing
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pain and suffering that's experience is recorded in the body,
the mind, and the soul, because a lot of these
people that have experienced this sort of thing, or even
not even necessarily abduction experiences, but there's a lot of
people that have have kind of, at one point or another,
blocked out a traumatic experience, and they it's not a
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memory that they can recall, but it's like they still
carry the trauma of that even though they can't recall
the memory, and it still affects their life even though
they and they don't even know why. And then all
of a sudden, they'll have the memory come back to them,
whether it be through hypnosis or therapy or whatever, and
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it all of a sudden makes sense why they've been
carrying around that particular burden why they've been having those feelings,
and then that they realize there's an actual reason behind it,
it's not just some weird intangible thing. So I do
wonder if the if that's kind of the goal of
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these things, to leave a lasting mark on the victim.
Maybe maybe that's like the permanent connection between the entity
and the victim.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Right, But is there a way.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
To beat it? You can't headlock a ghost, matereo.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I know, we need like a a spectral championship belt
that when you put it on, you can beat the
ship out of all non corporeal entities. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
That's that's what science should be working on, is give
give us a way to fight ghosts like I'm not
talking like ghostbusters. Fight ghosts like I'm talking like fisticuffs. Yeah,
throw down with a fucking ghost. Get it in the
headlock and punch it in the forehead.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Throughout the front door. Tell not to come back.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, give it a wedgie. Fuck you ghost, Try to
suck my negative energy.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Suck my so.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Robert Monroe, in his book Far Journeys, writes of contact
he had with a light being in an out of
body experience. Monroe is arguably the world's foremost researcher on
out of body experience, and he started the Monroe Institute
with trainee researchers to scientifically investigate the phenomenon. Reportedly, the
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Light being told Monroe that when humans die, their energy
is released and harvested by transdimensional beings who use it
to extend their own lifespans. So we're essentially the cosmic fountain.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Of youth, guys.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
So that's that's what our existence in the universe is
the cosmic fountain of youth for transdimensional beings.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
So feeling pretty yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
So this claim is that the universe is a garden
created by these beings and we are their food source.
So we're like fucking spinach and carrots. Doesn't that make
you feel special?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
According to Monroe's story, animals are intentionally positioned on this
planet to feed on plants and on each other, thereby
releasing the life force of their victims so it can
be harvested. In a predator prey struggle, exceptional energy is
produced in the combatants. The spilling of blood in a
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fight to the death conflict releases this intense energy, which
the light beings called lush lush is also harvested from
the loneliness of animals and humans, as well as from
the emotions engendered when a parent is forced to defend
the life of its young. Another source of lush is
humans worship. So this is like the reason we have
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war and religion yep, because of.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Loosh, Yes, sir, that's what it.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Sure sounds like they're double dipping with cultures like the
Vikings who war is tied deeply into their religion, You
devious pricks.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
They've had it all figured out before we did.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah. According to Monroe's informant, who again is a light being,
our creators, the cosmic energy farmers, intentionally equipped animals with
devices like fangs, claws, and super speed. What animals, I mean,
I know what cheetah can run fast, but I won't
call it super speed, Like we don't have fucking quicksilver
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running around or.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Anything probably compared to the human.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Right all right, Uh So they intentionally equipped animals with
devices like fang's claws and super speed in order to
prolong predator prey combat and thereby produce more loosh. In
other words, the greater the suffering, the more life forces
is spewed from our bodies, and the tastier the energy
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meal for our creators. This story told Tomunro, which threw
him into a two weak depression, understandably corresponds to reports
in some of the world's oldest scriptures, the Vedas, Upanishads,
and Puranas of India. There we read that the universe
is upheld by sacrifice, and that all who are living
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in this world are the sacrificers. There's none living who
does not perform yagya, which is sacrifice. The body is
created for sacrifice and arises out of sacrifice and changes
according to sacrifice.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I think they're kind of grasping at those tie ins.
I don't think that necessarily relates to us being vegetables
in the garden of some cosmic beas. But I guess
like if you're looking at it from an energy standpoint,
it makes sense. Like the there's so we're all familiar
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with this story of h or with the idea of
reincarnation where your soul you die and your soul comes
back until you reach nirvana, which is basically returning to
the source from which all creation comes. But there's there's
the uh the Gnostic Christians, which believe they've got this
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this concept called the ploroma, which is complete unity within
the Godhead. And from the ploroma there are different levels
of creation. And the further you get from the center
of the ploroma, the more distant it becomes from the source.
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So there's there's this whole mythology set up where one
of the children of God created the Demiurge, which is
what then created all physical reality, so all matter and
corrupted creation, and the Demiurge is what would be the
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God of the Old Testament. But the belief is that
when you die, you're able to return back to the Godhead.
So if you kind of think about it like the
Godhead being say a glass or a pool of water,
let's say, and you could take a glass, scoop out
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of that glass, and you're taking away the energy and
bringing it to another area. And then each drop of
water could represent a life, and you can take a
drop of that water out of the cup, bring it
back over to the pool, and you drop that water
in the pool. That drop of water still exists, but
(32:07):
it exists within this great big pool now and it's
become integrated with this pool. But that drop of water
still does exist, So it's it could be like that
sort of situation where where it's a it's a metaphor
that it's not an actual being that's eating us. It's
it's a being that's giving its energy to create us,
(32:27):
and when we die, it's retrieving the energy back to
us or back to itself. So it's not necessarily like,
oh my god, it's this big cosmic monster that's eating
our souls. No, it's giving its own energy and then
taking its energy back when we die to produce more
energy and put it back out there. So you're you
are being reincarnated technically, because there's a part of you
(32:50):
that's going to be in the next generation of creation,
but it's not solely you. You're melded with all that energy.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Hmmm. I mean it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I just I don't know why they're why they're tying
that to the negativity stuff, Like I guess if you're
looking at it, like if you're looking at the creator
as being intelligent, like an intelligent creator that has that
(33:24):
has this whole cycle in mind, rather than being just
a creative force that contains the divine energy of the
universe that then radiates outward and pulls it back in
like a like a tide, rather than than being this
thing like haha, I'm gonna equip them all to so
(33:45):
that they can kill each other so that I can eat. Like,
think about it from from the it just doesn't make
a whole lot of sense. Expend your energy to create
things just so you can kill them and reap the
energy that you expended to create, Like, it doesn't make
sense in that way.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
But if you're going to set things up where and
it also if if you believe in evolution, then that
doesn't necessarily make sense either, because at some point all
life on Earth evolved from a single cell organism and
then kind of expanded from there. Like you look at
(34:23):
the mammals, Like the mammals that were around the earliest
mammals were rodents. They weren't, and somehow we evolved from that.
So it doesn't really make sense to me that it's
like this because the way that it's painted here is
more like like this is this evil like it's like
(34:44):
Lovecraft shit, you know, this evil entity that's out in
the universe just creating life so just so that it
can kill it and drink the life force h Like
it just seems like the mythology of a nihilist, right.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah. The reason why I found what this page is
talking about so interesting was how much it is kind
of backed up. You got to kind of take it
a little serious when the government sending people to there
get it trained on it, Like that's like nobody believed
in the whole astral projection stuff until they made a
(35:21):
movie about goats about it. You know, find out the
government's using that shit. But it just startled me to
how much imagines. Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Don't really think that necessarily gives it credence there because
there was a period of time where the government seemed
to just be throwing a bunch of shit at the
wall just to see what would stick. Like there was
a lot of stuff about remote viewing and psychic research
(35:50):
and being able to kill people with mind bullets or
things like that. I don't know if it necessary. I
think it was more curiosity, like, well does it work?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Oh no, dude, there's and you can don't want.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
To know really how much serious funding and time was
put into it before they pulled the plug or maybe
they found maybe they had really good results and they
just went dark. So that no one could find out
what was going on.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, there's you can find a plenty of interviews with
people who can back up with their paper trail, like
you know, Bobby Lasers can about working with the government
and they claim to be remote viewers. There's there's.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, the Russell target stuff is crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, there's there's there's somebody who's who was on Sean
Ryan Show this year. Who I mean, it's as far
as far as I understand, all the remote viewing, the
astral projection stuff, all that stuff's pretty much been declassified
and none of that was bullshit. They they they use
that and use that and use that because it was successful.
There's there was They interviewed this one lady who said
(36:59):
she worked for the government, uh and they can you know,
follow her pay pertrol as being you know, in the
military and then moving on to different projects. But she
was asked like, have you have you looked at the
beginning of time? What was the creation of life? Have
you have you remote viewed to travel to that? And
(37:19):
she got extremely uncomfortable and said, we do not talk
about that. So from what I understand, all that shit
it's very real. I mean, I don't know how much
you want to believe that. But there's there's many people
up to this day, up to this very day, who
give interviews and talk about being able to do that,
being hired to do that, and that being their fucking
(37:40):
job for the government.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, or you know, you get roped into a program
in college to go planet jumping with Barack Obama.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, yeah, you never know.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, but well I'm sorry, Barry Satoro.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, but what alarmed me about this this page here,
this this information was how much it matches up with
what's going on today. We talk about, uh, all these
whistleblowers that are coming out and saying that they're not aliens,
there's something else. And now we get this term inter
dimensional beings. Maybe this is exactly what they're talking about.
We had Grush talk about how we're containers for something
(38:20):
that they want. Maybe that's this energy that they need
us for.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, it would make it would make perfect sense.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, it just seems like all this stuff that Monroe
was talking about seems to be in this you know,
quote Great Age of Disclosure, which granted isn't shit, but
the most we've gotten ever. Uh, it seems to match
right up.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, it's like it's it is like with this disclosure
thing that they're dropping breadcrumbs and and that's there. That's
their way of disclosing it as just being like we're
we're dropping, We're leaving a trail for you to follow.
Follow the trail and you'll you'll figure out what's going on.
(39:01):
And a lot of people are they're not picking up
on these little little hints. They're they're still looking to
the sky, you know, to space, like where where these
guys from? Are they from Zeta reticula? And and that's
that's the thing. And and I don't I I don't
(39:24):
think that that is really where where this is heading.
I think that on the surface, that's what they want
you to think. But just just the way that they
have changed phrasing, like the the what are they calling
the alien bodies now.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Uh, exotic material or something or no.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Exotic material is what they that.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Right? Right?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
This is biological biological entity, that's what they're calling it.
They're not calling it an alien, they're not calling it
an extraterrestrial. They're calling it a biological entity. And UFOs
are not flying objects anymore. They're unidentified aerial phenomena. It's
(40:12):
it's these changes are for a reason, and it's you
don't go from being an object to a phenomenon that
they're They're telling you right there that this is not
what you think it is. This is not a craft,
this is something going on.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Mm hmm exactly. It's a phenomenon exactly that that also
means it can't be denied anymore. It's something that can
be observed by many people. It's commonly observed it as aspen, and.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
We don't know what the fuck it is.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Uh huh. It kind of I've kind of had this
like weird feeling with all this disclosure stuff. Like you
said they're gonna bread crumbis that's exactly what ended up happening.
But there still seems to be these people, these new
whistleblowers that persist, and like Rush, he's not like on
every news that we're talking about this, but he's still
(41:02):
popping up here and there talking about this stuff. And
I've just had this weird negative feeling about it. Why
are they giving us the information that they are now,
Why the change to a phenomenon, the UAP thing, Why
why all this updating with all this shit? And after
reading this, I kind of figured out what that negative
feeling was. Tell me if you get this feeling with
(41:25):
all this shit, it almost seems like the people who
know what the fuck is going on are going to
speak out about it now because it doesn't fucking matter.
And it almost seems like something big is going to happen.
And that's why it won't fucking matter. We're going to
find out the easy way or the hard way, and
there's a few people who want us to be able
(41:47):
to be either prepared or to at least know. It
really makes me think about the Marianna's Trench document from
the sep Reads that you did a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah,
it really seems like, I mean, I mean down to everything.
Every country, every corporation, everywhere is grabbing all the money
(42:09):
they fucking can, everything from eggs to gasoline to homeowner's insurance.
In California, two bedroom apartments almost three thousand dollars a month.
There's no state in our country to where you can
afford a two bedroom apartment on a single salary. In
this country, everybody's grabbing every dime they can. It seems
(42:30):
like everybody who's in charge knows that they need to
gather their resources and that happens to be all of
our fucking money.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
So it just seems see it's really the it feels
to me like the last days of an empire.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Dude. That was the last thing I tweeted on my
Twitter account before I deleted it because Twitter's just it
became a shithole. But I the last tweet I put
it smells like the follow rome.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yes it does, though it's completely accurate. It's just uh,
keeping the public fat and happy while the world around
him burns.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Exactly. It's the ultimate and bread and circus. It's not
just they're not just giving bread and circus to keep
us occupied. Well we're watching the sun.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Well they're giving us they're they're they're not even giving
us bread. They're fucking gouging us for groceries. Are out
of control. Man, It's crazy how how much they've gone
up since COVID.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Oh yeah, I mean even just how gas is over
here in California. Before it was the president's fault. Now
it's not, you know, who knows.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
But it's yeah, it depends on who the president is
whether or not it's their fault. But the they prices
keep going up.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
But like the president picks the price of gas.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
But yeah, yeah, but I mean, didn't you know that's
like that's like one of his top jobs is waking
up every morning and dictating the gas prices.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yeah, but it just it just seems like we're we're adding,
we're getting ready for some giant reset. Like when I
just saw a Grush talking and he still has the
vigor he did the first time he was on camera.
He was like, I'm gonna fucking you guys need to
listen to me. You guys really need to listen to
what I'm saying and pay attention to what I'm going
to be saying. You know. I saw somebody interview Hellier
(44:19):
and they actually asked that that guy, aren't you scared
about being taken out? And he was just like, fucking
take me out. I don't fucking care. He's like, people
need to know I'm a public servant. That's why. You know.
It just seems like they picked somebody who was honest
to put in that type of position, and that's why
he talked. But it just seems weird. It just I
(44:41):
don't I I very much would rather have it be
Mars attacks than a bunch of like half glowing, half
transparent octopus that want to suck energy from my body
and turn me to a husk.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, give me Mars attacks over HP Crafty any day
of the fucking you know, if I've if I've got
to pick my my alien invasion scenario, Mars attacks all day.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Well, I mean, if they want trauma and fear right
before they eat us, it's gonna be unimaginable horrors for sure.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah, of course. Yeah, I'm waiting for Cthulhu to rise
out of the ocean and just doom us all and.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
They're gonna be like, Yeah, these people like watch beheading
videos on the news and an MTV. We got to
step this up.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Maybe that's why there's been a rise in reality TV
over the past twenty years.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
To doll our senses, to or to hide, oh god,
to break all of our minds and hearts and yeah yeah,
ooh god, constant depression.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Yeah, they and and all the the like vine from
back in the day tic Tac now the YouTube shorts,
like all these short little things designed to give everybody
add so that nobody can focus on anything meaningful anymore.
It's all like where's my where's my fifty two second fix.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I need it.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I need my fifty two seconds. This video is three
minutes long.
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Fuck you, Oh man, it is crazy. It is crazy.
We're crazy. We're dune, We're doomed.
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And something something something something s the beginning the
What's up everybody, Thanks for listening to the what cast Tonight.
We're gonna do something a little bit different and just
kind of do the show off the cuff. I came
across something that I saved to cover and read a
lot more into, but uh, I kind of just looked
at it today and after reading into it, I said,
holy shit, we got to cover this. So we're not
(00:45):
going to let proper research off us. We're just gonna
kind of cover this subject as as we go.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I got a feeling this is going to be a
ship show. I just before we even started. I just
I had the vibe that this was going to be
a show show. And now that you put it all
on the table like that, like this, this is gonna
be like the fabled Black Night Satellite episode.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
I was gonna say, we haven't had an O Parts
show in quite some time.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, I don't. I always go back to the Black
Knight satellite episode because we had to record that son
of a Bitch three fucking times and by the last
time it was just off the rails and fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
That's exactly what happened with the O Parts. I think
we recorded that one three times and then never released
that O parts episode.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
I wish that we kept that original recording because holy shit,
that was that was a shit show like that would
have been good to release on Patreon now, just just
as like hidden hidden media of the what cast?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
What was the problem where we just.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I don't even know dude that. I mean, that was
probably in our first or second year, and I think
we just couldn't stay fo and it was just way
more like I think we recorded like an hour's worth
of stuff and there was probably only like ten minutes
that was show related, I believe. And it could have
(02:18):
also been that we I think it was you had
just started dabbling with the uh the whax stuff. Oh yeah,
And I think I may have imbibed a bit too much.
I think we were both heavily inebriated in some way,
shape or form, is what I'm trying to get.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Oh. If it was, yeah, if it was that earlier
the show, I was fucking drunk, I was loaded.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Yeah, could could have been that. I don't know. I
remember that it was a complete and utter train wreck.
And I don't think anybody would ever find that entertainer,
but probably somebody, probably someone someone would enjoy it just
for being just a complete fucking car wrec and like,
(03:06):
look at these assholes. Who the fuck do they think
they are?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Right? Yeah, and that's our luck. We talked about that
once and uh, the folks on Patreon said, fuck that,
release the fuck up shows like that. We want to
hear that stuff. And we haven't had a fuck show since.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I know when. But guys, when we do, when we
do get a fuck up show, we'll release it solely
to the patrons because they're they're the loudest ones asking
for that shit. For some reason, They're they're gluttons for punishment,
I guess, yeah, but we haven't had one, so, you know,
Although I was that Carla Turner episode that came out
(03:45):
a couple of weeks ago or maybe last week whenever
it was. We had recorded that like three or four
weeks prior to its release, but it was I was
using an old mic because I was having problems and
the sound was all fucky. So Matteo was working on it,
trying to get cleaned up, and I was just about
to suggest just put it on Patreon and just just
(04:08):
let them have it and it's shitty glory, but he
was able to clean it up, so we didn't have
to record that again, thankfully.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah. I think the only show that we have that's
in the pocket that we haven't released or never released
is the episode where we used AI to generate images
of known cryptis to see how good it would be.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Oh, I forgot was I don't I remember we recorded that.
I couldn't remember if that was supposed to be a
show or if that was for patrons. I don't, I
don't remember.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, mean neither. It's just on my desktop. I think
I'm just gonna use it for YouTube because it has
imagery with it. It's not you know, what's the point.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Of fucking oh yeah, yeah, good point, goode.
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Yeah, see, I'm a thinker.
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I mean, we could put it through it on Patreon anyway.
We're not here to talk about what we're gonna do
on Patreon, although you should absolutely join. You should one
join Patreon and and uh do all that stuff.
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And I would like to point out that we're five
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We're still fucking doing it. So anyway, bottom line Patreon.
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Oh see, okay, I was thinking of like using that
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I was gonna use some tape, some some string.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Either way, that's fucking talent.
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Oh man.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Very a lot of control there, you know, a lot
of control.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It's gonna be at overt all right. So we're gonna
try to get this show going. What we're here to
talk about tonight. The article that I was mentioning earlier,
it was is a word I've never seen before, and
I found it looking up how people can tell ghosts
(06:50):
are around and stuff and me and Mike, I've always
called that the holy ship, like the over over the Yeah,
this overpowering sense of fear and doom, and you know
it doesn't come from you. I came to this term
called the looche, and I didn't get to read into
it until today. Like I said, but this is a
word coined by a gentleman named Robert Monroe. He was
(07:14):
a radio programmer and he went on to like a
patent with some twenty eight devices in order to basically,
he's the dude who coined the term out of body experience.
I don't know if you're familiar with the Monroe Institute, Mike, Yes,
I am. Yeah, that's this. He started it, Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I think I I'm pretty sure that I used to
have a book by him.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, I can't remember the name of it, but I
don't have it anymore, so it's irrelevant. But I'm pretty
sure I used to have one of his books that
I read like twenty some odd years.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Ago, Journeys out of the Body. Is that ring a bell? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
It does?
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, that might be it. That might be it. It
could be well, he got into these out of body
experience experiments. I don't know, but he's he got into
it so much as a patent, Like, like I said,
over twenty eight devices that were able to he claimed
to activate these parts of the brain to trigger these
out of body experiences through sound. That was his big thing,
(08:24):
being in radio and all that stuff allegedly. Yeah, So
through the years, we've talked about and wondered why ghosts
and stuff, demons whatever, all that stuff come around. What
do they want? What do they want from us? And
we talked a little bit about a traumatic mind control
(08:45):
in the Karla Turner episode, and we talked about gathering
negative energy like that, and that's basically what this term
comes from. I'm going to read directly hear from this
article which all links so you guys can see it.
It says a term applied to energy reduction by human
beings and animals that other entities used to feed from.
(09:05):
It is also used to refer to the energy that
is produced by suffering that entities feed. That's basically what
this term, loosely.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And that's something that we have talked about so many times,
Like it seems like these entities whatever they are, feed
on negative energies that they're causing these reactions so that
they can eat or feed.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Right, That's why I found this term so fascinating. This
guy's pretty much hitting what we've always talked about and
wondered about right on the head.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, it's like a monster's ink sort of situation.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Yeah. I think we mentioned that in the Turner episode.
It maybe it's something like that. That's they weren't too
far off, and it seems to be the case. Yeah.
In nineteen fifty three he formed Ram Enterprises. That's where
he produced radio network programs. It turned into a different
(10:06):
company in nineteen sixty two, but ultimately settled on being
the Monroe Institute. And the Monroe Institute has taken so
serious in his what he studies, the out of body
experience stuff, that in nineteen seventy eight the US Military
evaluated the Monroe Institute and arranged to send officers there
for out of body experience training, and it went so
(10:29):
well that in nineteen eighty three it sent additional officers
to receive training.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Is that like the Russell targ stuff? Is it related
to that, like the men who ster at goats thing?
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I don't think so. And this is just something that
he was championing. He made like this group that started
studying what this is, and he started experimenting with it
and having these out of body experiences. And we'll get
more into that. I'll have you read the second part
because it gets into these what's feeding on this stuff?
What I did read earlier, I didn't come across anything
(11:02):
about that. This two separate entities. He just caught the
attention of the government and they took it so serious
that they actually sent people there to train on how
to have out of body experiences, and it went so
well they sent more.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
So it's interesting that he is the guy that's known
for the talking about out of body experiences and basically
making that a well known subject while also talking about
this loosh thing. Back twenty some odd years ago, I
(11:40):
used to work second shift at a call center for
a bank. I would because I would work second shift,
we would end up getting a lot of downtime. Like
I would work till midnight, and usually around like nine
o'clock at night, things would die down and it'd be
it would get really slow, so I'd have a lot
(12:02):
of time to kill, which is when I would do
a lot of reading, which would be when I read
one of his books. I'm not sure if it was
the one you mentioned, But I was also doing a
lot of research on astral projection and reading like because
I was obsessed with trying to figure out how to
(12:24):
do it and you know, really realize whether or not
it was real, and try to access other areas of
non physical reality. But in doing my research, I was
also reading like testimonies and stuff. There was there's a
lot of testimony from people that have been able to
(12:47):
astraally project about these I don't know if you really
want to call them beings or animals or entities of
some sort that exs exist in non physical reality and
you can only see them when you're in your astrobody,
but they'll attach to you and they'll feed off of you.
(13:08):
And I wonder, because we've talked about these these beings,
and I always I always make the equation aliens equals demons,
equals fairies, equals gin equals ghosts, and it's all the
same and sometimes equals Bigfoot. But to me, it's it's
(13:31):
all variations of the same sort of phenomenon. And I
think that these things, why they're not readily seen is
because they exist in another plane of reality that we
don't typically have access to. And I think that when
we astraally project, that allows us to kind of put
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ourselves at an equal level with them in terms of
where we are are in the in the universe. We
obviously were not native to that. So it would be
like and it would be like a diver putting on
a scuba tank and jumping into the water to observe sharks,
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Like you're, you are now able to exist in this realm,
but it's still not your realm, right, you know, you're
you are the visitor.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Here, Yeah, just inhabit that space.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And and I think that's to a
certain extent the way that it is when they cross over.
I just think that they're able to they're more aware
of the power they have when they come here where
I think someone who's experienced with astral travel and and
how to I guess harness their energy and everything, I
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think that they would be able to exert a good
deal of power and control in that realm. But it
something from there came here, they would have to have
the know how to do it as well, which is
why I think you see different levels. But I think
with them when they cross over, I think they're able
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to get stronger the more they're able to feed. So
if they cross over and they're able to do something
as simple as a few knocks and it's enough to
elicit a bit of fear, they're able to feed off
that fear. Then they can move on from there. Now
they can start doing foot stomps in the hallway, and
then that creates more fear. Now they can slam doors
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in the middle of the night. Then they can start
throwing shit around, and eventually they're trying to strangle you
with your curtains just to get that. It's like it's
like chasing the dragon man. They got a little taste
and like, ah fuck, I need to get that feeling back.
And they keep escalating and escalating, and yeah, it's getting
their fixed, but they're not getting off like they did
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that first time.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Right, And that kind of makes it for like all
the stories of traditional poltergeist and haunting activity. You know,
it just starts off small, then people react and it
gets more yeah, yeah, yeah, And but.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
It also explains all these different things that are you know,
I guess in terms of like the human understanding they're
all these things that that are seemingly different, but they
all kind of start in a similar fashion. Like even
if even if we go back to Carla Turner's book
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and talk about the when she first started experiencing things,
it started small, and then as things escalated, she's like,
I'm being abducted, you know, every day, and everyone that
I've ever met ever is also being abducted every day.
You know that that's an extreme case there with with
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this sort of situation, but you you hear it all
the time in haunting case after haunt, in case after haunting.
Case I pointed out situations with Bigfoot being like a
poulter Geist. Look at fairy lore. A lot of that
is pretty similar. But even there's been so many cases
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where there's been alien activity that seems to be like
a poulter Geist before anything even happens.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Sure there sure are.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
And then there's also like demonic possessions of either property
or of individuals, and a lot of times it will
start as a haunting with knocks and sounds and things
being moved around and voices and all that, and then
someone gets possessed. So it's it's there's all these similar
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hallmarks that kind of you got to tick off and
be like, well, well, is it just coincidence that all
this stuff kind of unfolds in the same way, and
it's all based around negative reactions. And it's also weird
how how things will escalate when there's negative emotions already
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present in the house, almost like it's feeding more, it's
getting stronger.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah. It makes me think of like old episodes of
Unsolved Mysteries when they'll have like somebody claiming there's a
peaceful ghost in her house or friendly ghost, and they'll
catch her footage where shit's flying off the shelves and
they talk to it. They'll be like, hey, knock that off.
I was using that, And that's where it ends. They're
not giving the negative reactions and the fearful reactions, you know.
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And if you think about it, when you see footage
to where like stuff's flying off the walls and there's
bangs and stuff and people are screaming, it's just because
people are screaming, people are freaking out. It kind of
kind of coincides with what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, Or where there's a situation, say you've got a
couple that's living together that's fighting a lot. You're gonna
see the activity increase during that time because there's already
stress in the in the household, there's already negative feelings.
And if it's able to add to that, like, that's
a that's a fucking feast. It's that's like being like, well,
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why settle for a boloney sandwich when I can have Thanksgiving?
You know, just throw it out there and get let's
get shit going.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, who likes eating alone too, So they're gonna.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Ye, tell everything, put on a big spread and invite
the neighbors.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Absolutely, Okay, So that's to see here the next section
in this article or this page, it seems to be
like a Wikipedia of creepy stuff, and you know, the
type of stuff we would all like. The title is
called a Negative Emotional Energy Collection. So there it is,
Mike's They already had a name for this. Would you
mind reading that that section.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Mike, Yeah, this I will. But I'm gonna I'm gonna
preface this by saying that this is very new age
woo oo stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Right, This is not necessarily our views. This is the
views of Monroe dude. So this is just.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
So according to mister Monroe Institute himself, there are these
things called reversal networks. The reversal networks are collecting life
force from all the collective fields of all Earth inhabitants
and the result is creating more black force on the
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planet and sending energetic currents into reversal patterns and blah
blah blah ai evil aliens blah blah blah. So like
I said, well, while I'm reading this, if you've got
a crystal butp plug that you can hold close to
your heart, and that was the time, thank ishtar and
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do all that. Now's the time protect yourself from the
from the negative alien agenda. But anyway, these reversal networks
are collecting life force from the fields of Earth inhabitants
and producing this black energy that goes out and does
spooky evil things. The much sought after spiritual energy contained
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in these fields is called energetic loosh by the cabals.
In this context, lush is referred to as the emotional
energy radiated by animals and humans when feeling threatened, harm
or being killed, and that results in traumatizing pain and
suffering that is experienced and recorded in the body, mind,
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and soul. This trauma and pain gets recorded in the
earth body itself. For centuries, the negative alien agenda have
developed and exploited multidimensional cult practices through reversal creation code.
This has been given to secret societies and institution for
purposes of mind control and social engineering in order to
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harvest negative emotional energy or loose from the masses.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Okay, so I mean you're very correct there with it
sounding new agy it really does, but nonetheless it identifies
like what we've talked about.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Forever, and that also, like I don't want to go
like down too far down the u the gross conspiracy role,
but this also ties in with the adrenochrome conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Sure does.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I'm just gonna leave it at that. If you don't
know what that is, you can google it on your own.
That's We're a happy, fun time show. We're not here
to talk about that type of stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, watch fear and loathing.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
But but energy sucking ghost creatures from other dimensions, that
that's happy fun time stuff, yes, sir, But it's just
it really just kind of further all this stuff we've
been talking about, and even if you get into the
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military abductions where even in those it seems like they
are trying to elicit fear in order to create this
I don't even know if it's to create the scenario
or if the scenario is there to create this specific
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fear response. And then just the different medical experiments and
stuff that these people remember when they undergo hypnosis that
up until then they had no memory of it, but
then it all comes flooding back. But the weird thing
is that it's interesting here they say that the traumatizing
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pain and suffering that's experience is recorded in the body,
the mind, and the soul, because a lot of these
people that have experienced this sort of thing, or even
not even necessarily abduction experiences, but there's a lot of
people that have have kind of, at one point or another,
blocked out a traumatic experience, and they it's not a
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memory that they can recall, but it's like they still
carry the trauma of that even though they can't recall
the memory, and it still affects their life even though
they and they don't even know why. And then all
of a sudden, they'll have the memory come back to them,
whether it be through hypnosis or therapy or whatever, and
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it all of a sudden makes sense why they've been
carrying around that particular burden why they've been having those feelings,
and then that they realize there's an actual reason behind it,
it's not just some weird intangible thing. So I do
wonder if the if that's kind of the goal of
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these things, to leave a lasting mark on the victim.
Maybe maybe that's like the permanent connection between the entity
and the victim.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Right, But is there a way.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
To beat it? You can't headlock a ghost, matereo.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I know, we need like a a spectral championship belt
that when you put it on, you can beat the
ship out of all non corporeal entities. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
That's that's what science should be working on, is give
give us a way to fight ghosts like I'm not
talking like ghostbusters. Fight ghosts like I'm talking like fisticuffs. Yeah,
throw down with a fucking ghost. Get it in the
headlock and punch it in the forehead.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Throughout the front door. Tell not to come back.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, give it a wedgie. Fuck you ghost, Try to
suck my negative energy.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Suck my so.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Robert Monroe, in his book Far Journeys, writes of contact
he had with a light being in an out of
body experience. Monroe is arguably the world's foremost researcher on
out of body experience, and he started the Monroe Institute
with trainee researchers to scientifically investigate the phenomenon. Reportedly, the
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Light being told Monroe that when humans die, their energy
is released and harvested by transdimensional beings who use it
to extend their own lifespans. So we're essentially the cosmic fountain.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Of youth, guys.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
So that's that's what our existence in the universe is
the cosmic fountain of youth for transdimensional beings.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
So feeling pretty yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
So this claim is that the universe is a garden
created by these beings and we are their food source.
So we're like fucking spinach and carrots. Doesn't that make
you feel special?
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
According to Monroe's story, animals are intentionally positioned on this
planet to feed on plants and on each other, thereby
releasing the life force of their victims so it can
be harvested. In a predator prey struggle, exceptional energy is
produced in the combatants. The spilling of blood in a
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fight to the death conflict releases this intense energy, which
the light beings called lush lush is also harvested from
the loneliness of animals and humans, as well as from
the emotions engendered when a parent is forced to defend
the life of its young. Another source of lush is
humans worship. So this is like the reason we have
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war and religion yep, because of.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Loosh, Yes, sir, that's what it.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Sure sounds like they're double dipping with cultures like the
Vikings who war is tied deeply into their religion, You
devious pricks.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
They've had it all figured out before we did.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah. According to Monroe's informant, who again is a light being,
our creators, the cosmic energy farmers, intentionally equipped animals with
devices like fangs, claws, and super speed. What animals, I mean,
I know what cheetah can run fast, but I won't
call it super speed, Like we don't have fucking quicksilver
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running around or.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Anything probably compared to the human.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Right all right, Uh So they intentionally equipped animals with
devices like fang's claws and super speed in order to
prolong predator prey combat and thereby produce more loosh. In
other words, the greater the suffering, the more life forces
is spewed from our bodies, and the tastier the energy
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meal for our creators. This story told Tomunro, which threw
him into a two weak depression, understandably corresponds to reports
in some of the world's oldest scriptures, the Vedas, Upanishads,
and Puranas of India. There we read that the universe
is upheld by sacrifice, and that all who are living
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in this world are the sacrificers. There's none living who
does not perform yagya, which is sacrifice. The body is
created for sacrifice and arises out of sacrifice and changes
according to sacrifice.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I think they're kind of grasping at those tie ins.
I don't think that necessarily relates to us being vegetables
in the garden of some cosmic beas. But I guess
like if you're looking at it from an energy standpoint,
it makes sense. Like the there's so we're all familiar
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with this story of h or with the idea of
reincarnation where your soul you die and your soul comes
back until you reach nirvana, which is basically returning to
the source from which all creation comes. But there's there's
the uh the Gnostic Christians, which believe they've got this
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this concept called the ploroma, which is complete unity within
the Godhead. And from the ploroma there are different levels
of creation. And the further you get from the center
of the ploroma, the more distant it becomes from the source.
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So there's there's this whole mythology set up where one
of the children of God created the Demiurge, which is
what then created all physical reality, so all matter and
corrupted creation, and the Demiurge is what would be the
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God of the Old Testament. But the belief is that
when you die, you're able to return back to the Godhead.
So if you kind of think about it like the
Godhead being say a glass or a pool of water,
let's say, and you could take a glass, scoop out
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of that glass, and you're taking away the energy and
bringing it to another area. And then each drop of
water could represent a life, and you can take a
drop of that water out of the cup, bring it
back over to the pool, and you drop that water
in the pool. That drop of water still exists, but
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it exists within this great big pool now and it's
become integrated with this pool. But that drop of water
still does exist, So it's it could be like that
sort of situation where where it's a it's a metaphor
that it's not an actual being that's eating us. It's
it's a being that's giving its energy to create us,
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and when we die, it's retrieving the energy back to
us or back to itself. So it's not necessarily like,
oh my god, it's this big cosmic monster that's eating
our souls. No, it's giving its own energy and then
taking its energy back when we die to produce more
energy and put it back out there. So you're you
are being reincarnated technically, because there's a part of you
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that's going to be in the next generation of creation,
but it's not solely you. You're melded with all that energy.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Hmmm. I mean it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I just I don't know why they're why they're tying
that to the negativity stuff, Like I guess if you're
looking at it, like if you're looking at the creator
as being intelligent, like an intelligent creator that has that
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has this whole cycle in mind, rather than being just
a creative force that contains the divine energy of the
universe that then radiates outward and pulls it back in
like a like a tide, rather than than being this
thing like haha, I'm gonna equip them all to so
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that they can kill each other so that I can eat. Like,
think about it from from the it just doesn't make
a whole lot of sense. Expend your energy to create
things just so you can kill them and reap the
energy that you expended to create, Like, it doesn't make
sense in that way.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
But if you're going to set things up where and
it also if if you believe in evolution, then that
doesn't necessarily make sense either, because at some point all
life on Earth evolved from a single cell organism and
then kind of expanded from there. Like you look at
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the mammals, Like the mammals that were around the earliest
mammals were rodents. They weren't, and somehow we evolved from that.
So it doesn't really make sense to me that it's
like this because the way that it's painted here is
more like like this is this evil like it's like
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Lovecraft shit, you know, this evil entity that's out in
the universe just creating life so just so that it
can kill it and drink the life force h Like
it just seems like the mythology of a nihilist, right.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah. The reason why I found what this page is
talking about so interesting was how much it is kind
of backed up. You got to kind of take it
a little serious when the government sending people to there
get it trained on it, Like that's like nobody believed
in the whole astral projection stuff until they made a
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movie about goats about it. You know, find out the
government's using that shit. But it just startled me to
how much imagines. Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Don't really think that necessarily gives it credence there because
there was a period of time where the government seemed
to just be throwing a bunch of shit at the
wall just to see what would stick. Like there was
a lot of stuff about remote viewing and psychic research
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and being able to kill people with mind bullets or
things like that. I don't know if it necessary. I
think it was more curiosity, like, well does it work?
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Oh no, dude, there's and you can don't want.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
To know really how much serious funding and time was
put into it before they pulled the plug or maybe
they found maybe they had really good results and they
just went dark. So that no one could find out
what was going on.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, there's you can find a plenty of interviews with
people who can back up with their paper trail, like
you know, Bobby Lasers can about working with the government
and they claim to be remote viewers. There's there's.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, the Russell target stuff is crazy.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, there's there's there's somebody who's who was on Sean
Ryan Show this year. Who I mean, it's as far
as far as I understand, all the remote viewing, the
astral projection stuff, all that stuff's pretty much been declassified
and none of that was bullshit. They they they use
that and use that and use that because it was successful.
There's there was They interviewed this one lady who said
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she worked for the government, uh and they can you know,
follow her pay pertrol as being you know, in the
military and then moving on to different projects. But she
was asked like, have you have you looked at the
beginning of time? What was the creation of life? Have
you have you remote viewed to travel to that? And
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she got extremely uncomfortable and said, we do not talk
about that. So from what I understand, all that shit
it's very real. I mean, I don't know how much
you want to believe that. But there's there's many people
up to this day, up to this very day, who
give interviews and talk about being able to do that,
being hired to do that, and that being their fucking
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job for the government.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, or you know, you get roped into a program
in college to go planet jumping with Barack Obama.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, yeah, you never know.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, but well I'm sorry, Barry Satoro.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, but what alarmed me about this this page here,
this this information was how much it matches up with
what's going on today. We talk about, uh, all these
whistleblowers that are coming out and saying that they're not aliens,
there's something else. And now we get this term inter
dimensional beings. Maybe this is exactly what they're talking about.
We had Grush talk about how we're containers for something
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that they want. Maybe that's this energy that they need
us for.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, it would make it would make perfect sense.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, it just seems like all this stuff that Monroe
was talking about seems to be in this you know,
quote Great Age of Disclosure, which granted isn't shit, but
the most we've gotten ever. Uh, it seems to match
right up.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, it's like it's it is like with this disclosure
thing that they're dropping breadcrumbs and and that's there. That's
their way of disclosing it as just being like we're
we're dropping, We're leaving a trail for you to follow.
Follow the trail and you'll you'll figure out what's going on.
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And a lot of people are they're not picking up
on these little little hints. They're they're still looking to
the sky, you know, to space, like where where these
guys from? Are they from Zeta reticula? And and that's
that's the thing. And and I don't I I don't
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think that that is really where where this is heading.
I think that on the surface, that's what they want
you to think. But just just the way that they
have changed phrasing, like the the what are they calling
the alien bodies now.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Uh, exotic material or something or no.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Exotic material is what they that.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Right? Right?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
This is biological biological entity, that's what they're calling it.
They're not calling it an alien, they're not calling it
an extraterrestrial. They're calling it a biological entity. And UFOs
are not flying objects anymore. They're unidentified aerial phenomena. It's
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it's these changes are for a reason, and it's you
don't go from being an object to a phenomenon that
they're They're telling you right there that this is not
what you think it is. This is not a craft,
this is something going on.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Mm hmm exactly. It's a phenomenon exactly that that also
means it can't be denied anymore. It's something that can
be observed by many people. It's commonly observed it as aspen, and.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
We don't know what the fuck it is.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Uh huh. It kind of I've kind of had this
like weird feeling with all this disclosure stuff. Like you
said they're gonna bread crumbis that's exactly what ended up happening.
But there still seems to be these people, these new
whistleblowers that persist, and like Rush, he's not like on
every news that we're talking about this, but he's still
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popping up here and there talking about this stuff. And
I've just had this weird negative feeling about it. Why
are they giving us the information that they are now,
Why the change to a phenomenon, the UAP thing, Why
why all this updating with all this shit? And after
reading this, I kind of figured out what that negative
feeling was. Tell me if you get this feeling with
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all this shit, it almost seems like the people who
know what the fuck is going on are going to
speak out about it now because it doesn't fucking matter.
And it almost seems like something big is going to happen.
And that's why it won't fucking matter. We're going to
find out the easy way or the hard way, and
there's a few people who want us to be able
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to be either prepared or to at least know. It
really makes me think about the Marianna's Trench document from
the sep Reads that you did a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah,
it really seems like, I mean, I mean down to everything.
Every country, every corporation, everywhere is grabbing all the money
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they fucking can, everything from eggs to gasoline to homeowner's insurance.
In California, two bedroom apartments almost three thousand dollars a month.
There's no state in our country to where you can
afford a two bedroom apartment on a single salary. In
this country, everybody's grabbing every dime they can. It seems
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like everybody who's in charge knows that they need to
gather their resources and that happens to be all of
our fucking money.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
So it just seems see it's really the it feels
to me like the last days of an empire.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Dude. That was the last thing I tweeted on my
Twitter account before I deleted it because Twitter's just it
became a shithole. But I the last tweet I put
it smells like the follow rome.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yes it does, though it's completely accurate. It's just uh,
keeping the public fat and happy while the world around
him burns.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Exactly. It's the ultimate and bread and circus. It's not
just they're not just giving bread and circus to keep
us occupied. Well we're watching the sun.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Well they're giving us they're they're they're not even giving
us bread. They're fucking gouging us for groceries. Are out
of control. Man, It's crazy how how much they've gone
up since COVID.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Oh yeah, I mean even just how gas is over
here in California. Before it was the president's fault. Now
it's not, you know, who knows.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
But it's yeah, it depends on who the president is
whether or not it's their fault. But the they prices
keep going up.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
But like the president picks the price of gas.
Speaker 2 (43:46):
But yeah, yeah, but I mean, didn't you know that's
like that's like one of his top jobs is waking
up every morning and dictating the gas prices.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yeah, but it just it just seems like we're we're adding,
we're getting ready for some giant reset. Like when I
just saw a Grush talking and he still has the
vigor he did the first time he was on camera.
He was like, I'm gonna fucking you guys need to
listen to me. You guys really need to listen to
what I'm saying and pay attention to what I'm going
to be saying. You know. I saw somebody interview Hellier
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and they actually asked that that guy, aren't you scared
about being taken out? And he was just like, fucking
take me out. I don't fucking care. He's like, people
need to know I'm a public servant. That's why. You know.
It just seems like they picked somebody who was honest
to put in that type of position, and that's why
he talked. But it just seems weird. It just I
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don't I I very much would rather have it be
Mars attacks than a bunch of like half glowing, half
transparent octopus that want to suck energy from my body
and turn me to a husk.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah, give me Mars attacks over HP Crafty any day
of the fucking you know, if I've if I've got
to pick my my alien invasion scenario, Mars attacks all day.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Well, I mean, if they want trauma and fear right
before they eat us, it's gonna be unimaginable horrors for sure.
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah, of course. Yeah, I'm waiting for Cthulhu to rise
out of the ocean and just doom us all and.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
They're gonna be like, Yeah, these people like watch beheading
videos on the news and an MTV. We got to
step this up.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Maybe that's why there's been a rise in reality TV
over the past twenty years.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
To doll our senses, to or to hide, oh god,
to break all of our minds and hearts and yeah yeah,
ooh god, constant depression.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Yeah, they and and all the the like vine from
back in the day tic Tac now the YouTube shorts,
like all these short little things designed to give everybody
add so that nobody can focus on anything meaningful anymore.
It's all like where's my where's my fifty two second fix.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I need it.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
I need my fifty two seconds. This video is three
minutes long.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Fuck you, Oh man, it is crazy. It is crazy.
We're crazy. We're dune, We're doomed.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
I know we are I don't I and I know
that our YouTube channel doesn't really get a lot of activity,
but there are people that do sit there and listen
to the entire episode, which I can only assume that
you guys are doing it while you're at work or
in the car, rather than just like sitting there watching
(46:46):
our logo on the screen being like, oh bike and
betailor awesome, because I mean, thank you, thank you for
saying that we are pretty cool. But I'm surprised that
it with with the nature of YouTube that we get
anything on YouTube. So if you're listening to this on YouTube,
leave leave a like in a comment below and hit
(47:08):
that subscribe button.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah, do that? That would be awesome.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, yeah, I had to, you know, do the typical
YouTube thing. If you're listening anywhere else, feel free to
also do whatever the equivalent of like and subscribe and
comment is because that just helps us. But I don't
I don't know how to do anything with anything, and
I'm stupid at technologies, so you know, blah blah blah,
(47:38):
I can't help you.
Speaker 5 (47:39):
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find us on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, iTunes, on YouTube. Enjoy
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Speaker 1 (47:52):
Stick or pack?
Speaker 5 (47:53):
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Speaker 4 (49:12):
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