The What Cast #493 - Bigfoot Is Not Bigfoot 2

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 2 (04:21):
But before we start the show, I want to say
in advance, just in case there is a cricket that
escaped in my office and he has been very noisy,
and I just want to throw that out there in
advance in case he decides to start singing love songs
in the middle of this recording. He was really loud,

(04:44):
like ten minutes before I started the call with MATEO,
and he was polite enough to shut the fuck up
once once the call connected. So I'm hoping that he
will stay polite and either you know, shut up, or
maybe get eaten by a spider. Just just so long as
he stays quiet. I don't really care, but I just

(05:04):
wanted to put that out there because I know in
the past we have had comments about crickets showing up
and no, it's it's not a live audience falling asleep.
It's actual crickets. I've got a lot of reptiles, so
occasionally a cricket will escape, and these things happen.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
We let them be free.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, if they're out, I'm not gonna go chasing them around.
It's not like I'm gonna magically develop a cricket colony
in here. Just one lone cricket singing love songs in
the middle of the night. Is you know, it's only
gonna last like a month or so and then I'll
be fine.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
So let him do his thing.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Speaking of crickets, what are we talking has nothing to
do with what we're talking about tonight.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
But what are we talking about? Well, I wanted to
talk about crickets tonight, ma tale, so nice segue, No
I got. Well, I'm going to talk about Bigfoot. But
I'm not going this is another episode of Bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Isn't Bigfoot?

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Guys, That's what this boils down to. Last time we
did Bigfoot Isn't Bigfoot, it was regarding Bigfoot potentially being
Poultergeist or Poultergeist being Bigfoot. Today, I would like to
discuss with you guys, reasons on why Bigfoot is a fairy.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Ooh, I like so Matteo.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
When when you hear the word fairy, what what do
you think?

Speaker 1 (06:34):
I think of Maybe not tinker Bell, but gosh, maybe Willow.
Like the brownies.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Oh yeah, I love the brownies. They're the best.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah. So maybe they don't have to have wings, but
smaller people of the forest, I don't, I don't. I
never linked them to being spirits of the forest. I'm
sure that's what they are. But I've heard the term
like the fay folk at an early age, so to me,
it's they're very much like a different species. There's something
that just lives in some woods.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
So so Bigfoot, right, bigfoot prints is around as a
little person and with potentially wings and gets drunk off
a thimbleful of beer.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Bigfoot, I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, come on, he's tiny. That's the one thing we
all know about Bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Well.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
The thing with fairies that the modern interpretation of fairies
is something that was established in the eighteenth century. So
it's not it's not the traditional fairy in myth and legend,
like the fairy the little tiny woman in a dress

(07:45):
with the gossamer wings floating around flowers and shit. That's
that's relatively modern. The thing about fairies is that the
only commonality that there really is is that there some
sort of earth spirit. So there's there's through different cultures,

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and even within the same cultures, there's different types of
beings that are considered to be fairies. And this could
be something like, like you said, the brownies, some short,
little diminutive woodland being, or goblins, cobalds, but even trolls

(08:33):
and giants are considered to be fayfolk. The other thing
about fairies, though, is that they are known to be mimics,
both in terms of their ability to change their voices
as well as take on different appearances and even change

(08:55):
their sizes.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
So but even with that, in my.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
That's not something that you would typically think of when
it comes to Bigfoot. But there's a lot of weird
parallels between Bigfoot, Bigfoot sightings, things attributed to Bigfoot, and
things that were often attributed to fairies. So I want
I want to start out with a story that was reported,

(09:26):
and some of this actually ties into Missing four one
one stuff, which I've said in the past is likely
tied into some fairy lower stuff, but also alien abduction stuff.
It all kind of overlaps, but this particular story came
from the newspaper out of Salem, organ called the Weekly

(09:52):
Oregon Statesman, and this was reported on June ninth in
eighteen fifty seven. So immediately with the eighteen hundreds, I'm
always skeptical of things that are printed in newspapers in
the eighteen hundreds, especially the second half of the eighteen hundreds.

(10:16):
It just seems there's a lot of there's a lot
of tall tales. But just for the sake of comparison,
I'm going to share this particular story. So the story
was reporting on a boy who he was the ward
of a farmer and they had been searching for livestock

(10:42):
that got loose and were lost in the forest. So
as they're looking for the livestock in the forest, it
ends up getting late. They came prepared to spend the
night just in case, so they set up camp go
to sleep. The boy gets woken up in the middle
of the night by a loud screaming, and when he

(11:03):
wakes up and looks to see what it is, he
sees what he describes as a hairy man that's twelve
to fifteen feet tall, and it had glowing eyes that
he described to look like liquid balls of fire, which
if we could talk about that just for a second,

(11:23):
the liquid balls of fire thing, that's something that we've
seen attributed to several different beings, namely Mothman obviously, but
several other something man type beings have also been reported
with those red eye the glowing red eyes. What was

(11:46):
the one in Mexico eagle Man, Yeah, that was the
blackbird of Chernobyl. I can't even think of There's there's
so many, well, all variants of the Mothman. And we
talked about that the in the Lake Michigan Mothman where
they there was the all the different forms that it took,

(12:09):
but all the forms shared the same dark skin and
glowing red eyes.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
But there's there's a thing with in fairy lore with
with glowing balls of light. So I wonder if it's
part of like a fay illusion, so to speak. Right, right,
But anyway, I'm going off on Mothman. This is not
about Mothman being a fairy, although Mothman could potentially be

(12:38):
a fairy guys, I'm not going to rule it out.
But the boy uh upon it once he sees this thing,
he's kind of he's paralyzed, and this thing grabbed him
and pulled him away, and he dragged him into the
woods where there was a trap door with a ladder

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that was leading down in to a subterranean layer. And
he said, once he got down there, this area was
illuminated with phosphorescent light. And he said the cave under
the ground seemed to arch slightly at the ceiling, and
the ceiling itself looked like it was made up of

(13:20):
seashells that were different shapes and colors. Now, the seashell
thing will be relevant later, but I do want to
bring that up now, he said. Once he was in
the cave, from deeper into it, from deeper down the tunnel,
he started hearing this weird, unearthly music. The creature that
brought him in left him in this tunnel or in

(13:43):
this cavern, and went down the tunnel. And then he
came back and he was with a young The boy
described him as a young, delicate female of almost miraculous
grace and beauty. And she put this embossed card into
the boy's hands, and when he looked at it, on

(14:03):
the card was written, boy boy, depart hence forthwith or
remain and be devoured, devoured whoa. So the boy freaks
out and he when he gets he waits to find
like the opportune time, and once he's able to distract

(14:24):
this creature, he runs up the ladder and he pulls
out his knife and using his knife, he popped the
door open and escaped and then reported everything afterwards. But
this has several parallels with fairy lore. For one, there

(14:45):
is the idea that there is an underground passage that
will lead to the fairyland and the fairy realm or
the fairyland, fairy world, whatever you want to call it.
It seems to be something that is accessible through cracks
in the ground and caves and underground tunnels. But it's

(15:08):
not what you would it's not what you would pick
picture as like your typical underground layer. Once you get there,
you'd go through the tunnel system the caves, and you'd
come out into this lush, green area with all these
trees and fairy folk and whatnot.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Magical place.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
But in addition to that, so the boy was pulled
underground in this thing, he also reported a faint glow,
which is also something that's typically reported in the tunnels
leading to fairyland. He described music, unearthly music like he

(15:47):
had never heard before, and was approached by a small,
beautiful woman, which you know, could be construed as a fairy.
But the other thing is that there's an actual story.
It's an old Scottish legend where a boy is taken
into the faery realm through this hole or through this

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door in the forest that goes underground, and the father
goes to rescue his son, and he does so by
using his knife to prop open this door and pull
his son out. So there's kind of a commonality there. Now,
you could say that maybe the writer of this original story,

(16:32):
the original article in the newspaper, maybe was a folklore
enthusiast and had heard that legend and concocted this story.
But it's interesting that in the story it was a
twelve to fifteen foot tall hairy person and not some
tricky fairies.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Right. Even the place where he was taken, even this layer,
sounds like a fairy home, like a fairy cave. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, it's got the music, the glow, and there's there's
also a precedent and fairy lore of humans that show
up being warned to go away before they're they're kept forever.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
That's interesting to give the option though, that's weird.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, yeah, it's like they I don't know, it's it's
kind of weird, but but I guess that kind of
goes along with the trickster, the whole modus operandi of
a trickster. There they give you choices and see if
you can tie your own rope basically hm hmm. But

(17:40):
fairies throughout time, So what we think of fairies now,
Like we take the leprechaun for instance, the Leprechaun we
all think of as this short little guy with a
ginger beard, wearing all green and hoarding gold. But you
go far back into the call Celtic myths, and they

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were they were divine beings. They they weren't just a
little a little greedy man. They there was there was
a lot more to them. And and it's it's interesting
how over time things change, like like ancient gods become demons,
and in this way, a lot of this stuff happens

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where fairies, well, those who still believe in the the
fairy faith, and and in in parts of especially Northern Europe,
that there's still a pretty strong belief in in them.
But but I don't think it's it's a belief again
in the little, little, tiny, diminutive people. It's it's more

(18:46):
a spiritual thing like uh, earth spirits. But there's some
that look at them and like, like if you take
the ancient aliens route, fairies are are aliens that are
just reported by our ancestors as being fairies. But there's
others that look at fairies as being potentially demons or

(19:08):
fallen angels or or something else, maybe bigfoot. But this
one it just outlines the because it was a twelve
to fifteen foot tall hairyman that that it was clearly
what we would call a bigfoot. But it's following fairy lore,

(19:30):
which which happens. There's quite a few cases where that happens.
But there's so many cases in legend where there's a
visitor in fairyland who, like I said, gets urged by
another individual within fairyland.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Whether it be.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
What they perceived to be some sort of fay creature
or person. In some cases it's what they perceived to
be a cap of soul, someone who's been trapped, and
usually it'll be a friend or a relative warning them
to get out of there.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
They get trapped forever mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
But to kind of further that, the one place that
we don't typically think of fairies showing up is in
a lot of Native American lore. But there's a lot
of lore and sightings among and I know it's it's
a common thing for people to say, well, the natives

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reported seeing Bigfoot before the white man, and yet we
all know it's it's all, it's all been said before.
But the weird thing is that there's a lot of
legends that they have of these smaller hairy men that
match a lot of other faye legends and that come

(20:56):
out of Europe. And it really even even in Europe,
there's a lot of cases where or a lot of
traditional I'm using quoting fingers, you guys can't see my
quoting fingers, but traditional descriptions of fairies where they're they're hairy.

(21:18):
A lot of them are on the smaller side, though,
which would match up with like the orring Pendeck or
the stories of little Foot, or we we do often
hear stories of a large bigfoot with a smaller bigfoot
that looking at it from from a human perspective like, oh, well,

(21:39):
that's clearly a bigfoot parent and a baby but maybe
it's just this same being, or well, the same type
of being just inhabiting two different sizes.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Right. Yeah, that's I mean completely understandable.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, there's a there's this.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
I don't want to say well known because I mean
not too many people know about fairy lower from the
seventeenth century, but in sixteen forty five there's a person
named Ann Jeffries who is she's basically known because she
was an alleged fairy abductee, and she says that the

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beings that abducted her were small and hairy, and they
were covered in dark fur. And then we remember the
fighting Venezuelan critters.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Heh, yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
They were all they kind of looked like mini Bigfoot,
but they had glowing eyes.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Holy shit, yeah they did. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
And then in the classic dwarfs, which were known in
Brittany as names, they were covered in black hair all
over their body and had sparkling black eyes. And then
we can go over to to Persian legends and there's
a thing called the deve and that has share shaggy hair,

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great fangs, and big ugly paws.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
But these are.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
All beings that they're they're kind of they're they're given
different names in the different places, but they're all similar.
They're all considered to be like earth spirits basically, but
they are represented by these squat, fuzzy bodies. It's weird.

(23:33):
There's so even you mentioned the brownies from from Willow,
there is a regional brownie variant that display Uh. They're
they're looked at as being more ape like in appearance.

(23:54):
They're they're back in the In the old texts reporting
on they were actually referred to as looking simian.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
So simion typically means monkey like or primate like. But
there's a tradition in German that was believed that they
referred to fairies as underground people, and it was in
their folklore. If a fairy broke a pact, it was

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doomed to wander the earth in the shape of an animal,
and it would typically take the shape of either toads, wolves, beetles,
or apes. Huh, which is interesting because apes aren't native
to Germany, right, but the other things are. So that's
kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Wow, that touches on that does it belong there?

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, it just further for there's the idea that they
are shape shifters and can change shape whenever they need to.
Mm hm. So I mentioned earlier the Native American tribes
mentioning it similar things, But the Tlingots, the Tlingott tribe

(25:14):
has a thing called the Kushtaka, and that is so
close to a bigfoot that a lot of researchers and
scholars kind of categorize them in the same place as
a bigfoot. Oh, and then the Susquehannic of southern Pennsylvania

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had stories of this race of short hair covered creatures
that they deemed to be magical spirits, but they apparently
feared them so much that they adorned their war shields
with their faces.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
I've heard of this, yeah, I mean so now that
you're mentioning it, dude, Like, if we stop in think
about it, there's uh, just as many reports of small
furry people as there are big furry people, Like yeah,
just on just as many continents and all that shit.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
And it's when you're looking at it in the context
of of fairy lore, and especially when you're looking at
these old ones from from Europe and Native American stories
and how there's a lot of crossover there. It's it's

(26:35):
pretty it.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
To me, it just gives me. It kind of fills in.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
The big Foot picture a little bit better for me,
because to me, it just didn't make sense to say
that there was a tribe or or a family groups
of these hominids all over the country and no one
has been able to ever find them or track them down,

(27:03):
especially when it's in like I know, you can say
the Pacific Northwest, it's huge. There's there's large areas where
humans have never even been, so it.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
Would it's possible.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
But it's all over the country, like there's sightings in
the Southeast. There there's sightings in New York State, there's
sightings in Texas, there's sightings in the Midwest, like there's
sightings all over the place. M and I don't think
it makes all that much sense to say that there's

(27:36):
this group of massive hominids that exist in our wilderness
that are you know, just regular flesh and blood creatures
that and we just don't know about them. That doesn't
make sense, right. It just seems like there's more to
it than that, mm hmm. And I think looking at
it through this lens kind of helps to to to

(28:01):
bring that idea home. So there was a report from
a Because you know, there's different types of bigfoot researchers.
You know, you've got your flesh and blood unknown creature sorts,
You've got your researchers that believe it's a spiritual being.
You've got your alien researchers that want to tie it in.

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But it's interesting when you get a flesh and blood
believer who reports on something so fucking weird that it
makes no sense. And just such a thing happened in
twenty fourteen. So have you ever heard of Adam Davies
or John Carlson.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Adam Davies sounds very familiar.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Adam Davies is he's an old school Bigfoot researcher. I mean,
I guess he calls himself to a cryptozoologist, but he's
one of the guys that believes, like a lot of
these cryptoid sightings are unknown or unidentified creatures, not anything
mystical and magical. But with all that in mind, he

(29:07):
risked his reputation as a flesh and blood cryptozoologist by
giving by telling a story of this strange encounter that
he had when he was with John Carlson. And what
happened was they saw what appeared to be an interdimensional

(29:28):
portal open up in the woods near this area that
was a known Bigfoot hot spot where there had been
a lot of Bigfoot sightings previously. Coming through this portal
were a bunch of short, hairy beings that just started
popping out. So they watched this happen, and then they

(29:49):
turned their flashlights on and to shine on the beings
as they were coming out of the portal, and when
they did, everything disappeared like they like the light I
had banished them.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Bizarre.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Yeah, but like I said, he was a he was
a flesh and blood guy. If he's trying to prove
that Bigfoot is just some unknown animal, why the hell
would he make up that story when he had never
talked anything about beer, Bigfoot being a spiritual being or
anything like that.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, what would be the point and jeopardized this entire reputation, right,
It makes more sense that he would just report what
he saw.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
But now he was looking for Bigfoot and he reported
seeing these short hairy beings. But like I said, fairies
are known shape shifters, and there's actually some accounts of
strange Bigfoot like beings that have been reported changing their

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size and shape. There was a one story in from
nineteen eight in Minnesota of something that was called a troll,
and this thing when it approached the witnesses, it grew
eight inches in height and gained fifty pounds in mass

(31:14):
as it approached them, as if it was trying to
scare them off. And to me, that seems like classic
trickster behavior. Rather than get into a fight or an
act any violence or anything, you want someone gone, just
create an illusion that's going to scare them.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
And there you go.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Yeah, no, kidden.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
There's a story from Puerto Rico in the nineteen seventies
where there was a tall, a tall, hairy creature that
again had glowing eyes, that was in her garden and
as she watched it, it perched on the fence and

(31:57):
shrank and then transformed into a basketball sized glowing ball
of light and then it floated away. There was a
similar story that happened in Malaysia during a UFO flap
of all times. But I talked previously about how these
things seemed to overlap, Poltergeist, Bigfoot in UFOs all seemed

(32:20):
to overlap at the same time in a lot of cases.
But during this flap. There was a witness who saw
a big, hairy creature that shrank down to a few
inches tall. Ooh, I think I told this story of
Niamiah Cooper and his wife on this store on the

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show before. It might have been a quicken. The weird
that I told it, I don't recall, but I'll just
repeat it here just because it's so fucking bizarre. But
Niamiah Cooper and his wife were with some friends. They
were returning from church when they saw this thing in

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the middle of the road that at first was the
size of a bucket, but within a few seconds it
sprung up to be twelve to fifteen feet high and
six to seven feet wide at the shoulders.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
What the absolute fuck.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yeah, this particular location where the churches has historically had
a lot of bigfoot sightings within a few square miles
in the vicinity, and that so this story took place
in the late eighteen hundreds, but sightings of bigfoot still

(33:43):
occur in this area today.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
But it's just interesting. They see this.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Little thing in the middle of the road and all
of a sudden, it just springs up and like a
fucking jack in the box, and telescopes out and then
we we've heard about the stories and seen various alleged
footage of Bigfoot hiding behind a tree that's way too
skinny for bigfoot to be hiding behind, but somehow they're

(34:10):
peeking out from behind it. And that's also something that's
seen in fairy lore also in the creatures of the Lumberwoods.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yes, they're the hide behind.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Yeah, so that that's kind of I would say that
that would be considered some sort of shape shifting ability
or even being able to fold yourself into a pocket.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Dimension or something.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yeah, but I mean, there's there's just so many different links, Like, so,
do you know you're familiar with the green Man? I
would assume yes, they're so for those that aren't, I'm sure.
I'm sure everyone has seen depictions of the green Man
in some way, shape or form. But it's typically just
a face that is wreathed with leaves and a big

(35:01):
bushy beard. And usually the face is either made up
of leaves or surrounded by leaves. But it's it corresponds
with I mean that I'm not going to get into
the background of the green Man itself, because it's got it.
There's debate on whether it's a Christian thing or a

(35:22):
pagan thing, or a Christian thing to mimic pagan things.
But there there's there is nature beings or nature gods
that that share similarities with that one being the wood Wos.
There's also Carnunos, Silvestros, Pelosi pan and then you could

(35:48):
even look at like Dionysus. There's there's a lot of
things in mythology that that tie to the wild man of.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
The woods, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
The difference is that a lot of them seem to
have antlers or horns as well as goat legs, but
the depiction of the green man seems closer to what
we would think of as Bigfoot. And if you're looking
at some of these tie ins to fairy lore, there

(36:22):
is a green man in Scottish folklore and they don't
look at it as or they don't refer to it
as a green man, but essentially it is. But it's
called the gilly Do and it's a solitary fairy that's
covered in leaves and moss. I'm sure a lot of
people are familiar with the term gilly suit that it

(36:46):
comes from this fairy, the gilly Do, and that's why
the gilly suits typically have that shaggy appearance that look
like covered in plants and things, and it's modeled after
the do but to kind of make it well, I
shouldn't say, but I think it's kind of funny that

(37:08):
the Australian Special Forces they they have gilly suits, but
they don't call them gilly suits. They call them Yawi suits,
which yawi's in Australia are basically bigfoot. It's type of
bigfoot and it all ties back to the Gilly do.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Well.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
I've heard of people that are that set up or
that have set up tried to set up bigfoot hoaxes
using a gilly suit. So it's it's kind of funny, right,
that's fascinating. Yeah, And if you're think about some of
the reports of various bigfoot where where they're said to
have like plants in their fur or like slimy moss

(37:49):
matted in their fur.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
There was one in.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Texas called Old Mossback, which was seven feet tall, hairy
creature that was covered with moss and slime.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
It was man thing.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah, man exactly. Man thing and bigfoot they're the same thing.
Now I'm gonna get a little crazy here with the
fairy lore if you don't mind, not at all. We
have talked on this show about mermaids, way way way back.
I think it was like within the first few episodes

(38:25):
had we talked about mermaids.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
The current depiction of mermaids in the public eye are
lower half as a fish, upper half beautiful person, just
an incredibly attractive person and oftentimes rippling muscles, big tits
and a great singing voice. That's that's just how it goes.

(38:50):
But that's not traditionally how they appeared. In fact, there's
lots of myths and reports that show them as being
more human like or i'm sorry, more ape like than
human like on top. And which is funny because when

(39:11):
you when you think of the Fiji mermaid, right, and
how that was a fish tied to tied to a monkey.
But here we are, here we are with with merse squatch.
But there's precedent to this and and not not so

(39:32):
much with with traditional mermaids, I guess, but there's precedent
in that bodies of water are often seen in in
myths as being a place where spirits and habit. There's
a book called The Rebirth of Pan which I want

(39:55):
to track down, so bad. But it's been out of
print for decades and it's a guard jillion dollars if
you can ever find it online. But they're so rare
the copies of it. But this guy, Jim Brandon, wrote
a book called The Rebirth of Pan and it's kind
of like him talking about the nature spirits and how

(40:18):
they're tied with a lot of I guess I'll say
paranormal or supernatural stuff for lack of a better term.
But in the book he wrote about North American springs
specifically and how they were revered by the native tribes
as being the seats of earth spirits. And he said,

(40:39):
to the modern day, the list of all the places
around the country where weird things happen, at areas where
there's these water courses, he would be able to fill
an entire book with just catalog entries of these things.
WHOA So the the the idea that spirits and habit water,

(41:04):
that's that's kind of normal. But how does that tie
into bigfoots? Well, there are a lot of reports of strange,
hairy humans being in the ocean. Why are where they
shouldn't be? There was a witness in the in the
sixties who sent a letter.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Well.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
The witness was a man named Robert Ally, and he
had sent a letter to a bigfoot researcher named John
Green where he described this weird encounter he had in
Alaska in nineteen sixty. So he said he was going
for He was outside by the on the dock side,

(41:53):
looking out over the ocean, and he looked up and
he saw what he referred to as a human like
figure that was standing in the water, halfway between the
shore and the dock, standing in the waters standing. He
was just standing and staring at him. And he said

(42:15):
he had arms like a man and a head like
a man, but he was wet, and he looked like
he had his entire body was covered with this gray color.
And he said he had round eyes. They weren't big,
they were small and beady, but they were round. And

(42:35):
at first he was kind of frozen and paralyzed by
what he saw because it freaked him out so much.
But then once he came to the realization of what
he was seeing, he screamed and ran across the dock,
tied up the boats, and then ran up the ladder
towards the sheck nearby, yelling for someone to come. So

(42:57):
there were men up there who came running down with
with lights and there were thirty of them that ended
up coming out onto the dock and they were shining
their lights into the water and they all witnessed this
thing dive under the water and it swam away. And
they said with the lights on they were able to
see how it was swimming, and it swam underwater with
its arms stretched straight out, but they weren't moving like

(43:20):
there's like Superman flying, but he was kicking its legs
like a frog.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Who and when was this?

Speaker 2 (43:29):
This was nineteen sixty geez, yeah, but even weirder. So
this was a report that was seen from a dock
looking out into the water. But on May ninth, nineteen ninety,
there were witnesses aboard an Alaskan fishing boat that saw
a hairy hominid swimming in the ocean one mile from

(43:52):
the shore. The crewmen that first witnessed it, named Lindsey Bibbitch,
looked through the binoculars and so got a really good
look at it, and he said the thing had hair
that looked like hemp. So I'm imagining like probably like
dreads something like that, And he said it actually looked
like what he would think a sasquatch would look like,

(44:15):
and it had large eyes that he said were almost
the size of baseballs, and the skin that he could
see was like a muddy tan green color, and it
had a flat face like an ape. He said, there
was no way that it was a shaggy sea lion.
And then he said, after watching it for a while,

(44:35):
it went straight down into the water and it never reappeared.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Well, that's see, that's insane because you're you're describing adaptations
for a bigfoot being in the water with the skin
color and the giant eyes. Right, God damn it, aquatic
ape theory was correct.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, yeah, then there there's reports there was a fisherman
that ported throwing a fishing net into the Nooksack River
in Washington, and when he went to retrieve it, a
hairy man came out of the water and started pulling
the net back into the water.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Whoa yeah, like, think of that, you're going fishing.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
All a sudden, this bigfoot jumps out of the water
and starts pulling on your fishing net. Give it that
vision net, and that this is the weirdest.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
One of all.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Nineteen seventy this was in the Gulf of Mexico off
of Placidya, Florida. Two fishermen were twenty nine miles into
the Gulf of Mexico, twenty nine miles from shore when
they see what they referred to as a skunk ape swimming.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
And they call it a skunk cape.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Yeah, because the skunk ape is the Florida Bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah. I mean you have to have the right type
of boat to go out that far. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
But if it's not a physical being and it's some
sort of earth spirit, then it makes perfect sense.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Yeah. He's just like, yep, you're gonna see me here too, bro.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
And it's so I mentioned the current appearance or the
current pop culture depiction of mermaids, but again, traditionally that's
not the way they looked. Like in Japan they've got
the the Ningyo, which was this simian creature that lived

(46:29):
in the ocean. And then in Scotland there was a
legend of a being that had short, curly hair that
covered its body that was greenish gray in color. It
had small eyes, a flat nose, and a big mouth
and extraordinarily long arms that lived in the water.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
But I mean, you take that description and put it
on land. And that sounds like a fucking ape. Yeah, completely,
but no, it's a fucking mermaid.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
There's even an account from the thirteenth century. There's a
British monk who talked about this weird event where you
remember the story of the green children that were captured
and were raised as Christians. Yeah, this story kind of
reminds me of that. But this monk, his name was

(47:25):
was Ralph of cagas Hall. He reported that these men
that were fishing in the ocean caught a wild man
in their nets, and he was naked, but he was
covered with hair all over his body and had a long,
shaggy beard. When they pulled him out, he eagerly ate
whatever they gave to him, but if it was raw,

(47:46):
he would squeeze it between his hands until juice squirt
it out. He would never talk. They tried to torture
him to get him to talk, and even then he wouldn't.
They brought him into church, but he showed no sign
of reverence whatsoever. Every night he would go to his
bed and he would remain in bed until sunrise. The

(48:09):
men that captured him brought him back to the sea,
but he was guarded by three lines of nets, and
he would dive under the nets and come up again
and then, but he would voluntarily come back every time.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
But eventually he did escape, and once he finally escaped,
he was never seen again.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Oh wow, living with the ape squatcha ape, Mr squatchr
squatch Yeah, mr squatching me a.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
So Bigfoot not only as a fairy. Bigfoot is also
a mermaid, but he's also a faery and he lives
on land and sea, and pretty soon you're gonna find him.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
On the moon.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah. I mean a lot of this stuff you're talking about, dude,
it's just undisputable. If you know about the other things
you're talking about, that's pretty crazy.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
And so not only around water and these uh other
hot spots there, there's also sightings that seem to be
around caves, which is entrances to the underground are traditionally
where fairy encounters happen.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Hm hmm.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
So it's it's interesting that we still that all these
different things where where in myth and legend people have
witnessed fairies, there's reports of Bigfoot, and there there seem
to be a lot around like Stone quarries and mines.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Right, Yeah, that's true. We've noticed a lot of that
and stuff we've covered.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
And that corresponds with with different fairies like that. We've
we've heard of the Tommy Knockers and Cobalds and dwarves
and all those are are beings that are thought to
live in the underworld.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Hm m.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
But there's lots of reports of bigfoot hanging out in
caves and you could just say, well, caves are a
natural shelter, so that's where and sure, but when you
tied in with the weird paranormal stuff, that kind of
makes things a little bit different in my point of view.
And again there's even ties to native folklore. The Yakama

(50:29):
people of northwestern US and I believe into Canada have
this this being that they called the wild Stick Shower
and it lives in it lives in the mountains and
builds lodges underground and the doors to the the doors
to their homes are said to be heavy and made

(50:53):
from snow and earth and they're impossible to find.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Oh wow, yeah, I'm probably impossible to move when you
do find them.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Yeah, But that corresponds with with the fairy stuff like
you're not going to find an entrance to the fairy
realm unless they want you to find it.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Right, How amazing. Yeah, there's a lot of correlation there,
way more than I would have figured you found.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
And that there's even like the silly stuff that that
was corresponded to or that was attributed to fairies back
in the day, Like there's this this phenomenon that happens
where horsemanes are found braided or nodded overnight when no
one has seen them, and it was always traditionally thought

(51:37):
that it was fairies that did this, but there is
now lore among the Bigfoot community of people experiencing this
sort of thing, and strangely enough, it seems to happen
on remote ranches, just like a lot of other paranormal activity.
So it's kind of interesting that that ties in as well.

(52:02):
And then the the traditional sounds that that get lumped
in with Bigfoot, like the whooping sounds. People have reported
sounds of babies crying, wood knocking in fairy lore. All
that stuff exists. Yeah, but now we're attributing it to Bigfoot.

(52:24):
And there's there's one less story I want to tell
that that ties Bigfoot into fairy lore. And this is
a story from the famous American hero, Davy motherfucking Crockett.
Now there's in fairy lore, there's a lot of stories,
and even well known fairy tales, there's a lot of

(52:47):
stories of fairies being harbagers of doom and warning, you know,
warning people of various ill fated decisions or wrong paths,
things like that. Well, Davy Crockett was also warned. And

(53:08):
I'm going to read you an excerpt from a letter
that he sent to his brother in law in eighteen
thirty five, and he relates this experience he had while
he was bushwhacking in Texas. Whether it was the axis
disturbance or possibly the heat of the sun which caused

(53:28):
an apparition to slowly form in front of my eyes,
I know not. As a Christian man, I swear to
you that what spirit came upon me was the shape
and shade of a large ape man, the likes we
might expect among the more bellicose and hostile Indian tribes
in the territories. The shade formed into the most deformed

(53:51):
and ugly countenance, covered in wild hair, with small and
needling eyes, large broken rows of teeth, and the high
of three foundlings. I spit upon the ground the bread
I was eating. The monster then addressed a warning to me.
It told me to return from Texas, to flee this fort,

(54:11):
and to abandon this lost cause. When I began to
question this, the creature spread upon the wind like the
morning steam that swirls off a frog pond.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Wait, what, what the hell's that?

Speaker 3 (54:24):
It just disappeared.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Man just faded away and talked to him. Yeah, just
but that's like something from a fairy tale. It came
to him, told him to leave Texas. He wrote his
brother about it.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Now.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Interestingly enough, Davy Crockett did not leave Texas, and he
died six months later in defense of the Alamo against
the Mexican Army.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Mmmmm, should have listened to the smoke.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Fairy, should have listened to the fairy. Fairyfoot, Yeah, fairyfoot.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
So, I mean, I could go on and on, but
I feel like I would just be repeating myself at
the end of the day. I'm not saying Bigfoot is
a fairy or a poultergeist or an alien. What I'm
saying is Bigfoot is all of those things, Matteo, every
last one of them. Are all the same thing, and

(55:17):
none of them are what you would think they were individually.
I think it's some sort of spiritual being. And I
don't even want to say spiritual in the sense that
it's because I feel like you say it's a spiritual being,
it kind of gives it some sort of like divine essence,
which I don't think is present here. I think it's

(55:38):
something that we don't understand fully, and so because we
don't understand it would be ascribed as something supernatural or paranormal,
which I mean to our senses and knowledge.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
That's exactly what it is.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
So that is why Bigfoot is a poultergeist and a
fairy and an alien. And I know I haven't really
talked about Bigfoot is an alien, but that's going to
be the next Bigfoot is Not Bigfoot episode I do.
I'm going to talk. I'm going to take the ancient
aliens approach and talk about Bigfoot being a UFO not

(56:17):
And he rolls with the reptoids. Ooh, I don't know
if he rolls with the reptoids. I've just but for
the sake of argument, he rolls with the reptoids and
he gets bossed around by the Grays.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Yep, rolls with Han Solo.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Yeah yeah, he chills with Han Solo and he's a
space fairy.

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