On Independence Day 2025, Alex discusses the current state of the U.S. space program and the world, searching for ways to navigate the chaos. We make historical parallels with the 1970s, during the end of the first space race and the post-Apollo era tumble (i.e. the end of the 1st Space Conundrum).
Alex emphasizes the importance of mental freedom and adaptability in navigating societal chaos, and how he is practicing gratitude and using it as a tool for maintaining focus on what matters. We close out with some gratitude on the return of the last 10 years of space progress, and the glimmer of hope Alex sees in humanity during these trying times.
Wishing you a fulfilling and restful Independence Day - urging you to find your own mental freedom, and finding insights into today by learning more about the 1970s.
Here's to building a fantastic future - and continued progress in Space (and humanity)!
Spread Love, Spread Science
Alex G. Orphanos
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00:00 Fourth of July Episode Introduction and Podcast Promotion
00:58 NASA Administrator and Budget Cut Chaos
01:54 The Space Conundrum Theory Revisited
03:50 Reflections on Space Progress and Societal Chaos
04:22 Gratitude unlocks my Mental Freedom
08:10 Independence and Space Industry Progress
10:58 Closing Remarks and Wishes for Independence Day
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(00:00):
Welcome to Today In Space, andwelcome to our fourth of July
(00:03):
episode for 2025 I'll be sharingsome of my thoughts I've had
about the world of space and howit relates to everyone,
including my yearly messageabout freedom and independence
on this American holiday. If youhaven't already, please
subscribe to the podcast. Ifyou're on Apple podcast Spotify
or YouTube or your favoritepodcast player. Please give us a
five star review if you love theepisode and what we're doing
(00:24):
here on the podcast, and don'tforget to check out what's new
in our 3d printing lab. AG, 3dat. AG, 3d printing.com or at
AG, 3d printing on Instagram andYouTube and on, AG, 3d printing
lab on tick tock. We've got somebig news coming at the end of
the month. So make sure you'refollowing us there and you have
a 3d printing project that youneed help on. Or if you're
(00:45):
trying to figure out if 3dprinting can help, go to AG, 3d
printing.com to learn more. Solet's begin this week's episode.
Thanks for joining us. Thoughtsfrom an engineer, the search for
mental freedom. We're living inthe midst of a great change in
the world, for humanity and forthe US, Space Program and the
US, and just everything rightnow, it's crazy. The president's
(01:08):
pick for NASA Administrator,Jared Isaac min, had passed the
Senate committee'srecommendation and was moving to
a full Senate vote, only to havethe nomination taken away by the
same president who recommendedthem, and a candidate that had a
long list of veteran astronautsin support from cross the aisle
that this was their guy. NASA'sbudget faces large monetary cut
(01:32):
in the space program's history.NASA employees have begun a
strike outside NASA HQ as ofthis Monday, June 30, all while
war continues around the world,these are chaotic times, no
doubt, and yet, it's not thefirst time the world has
experienced chaos and flirtationwith destruction. It's also not
(01:52):
the first time NASA has had itsbudgets cut drastically and
basically starting from scratch,and it certainly is not the
first time or the last thatthings will feel impossible. So
what can we learn from the past?What can we learn from the first
space conundrum cycle of ourfirst space race and its post
Apollo tumble in the Nixon era?Well, to start, if you are new
(02:15):
or have never heard the spaceconundru Before, the space
conundrum is a theory we havehere on the podcast, it states
that there is a strangecorrelation with increased
progress in space and increasedchaos in society. If we look at
the first space race, we can seethis phenomena unfold over some
wild times. Ask anyone who wasliving at that time, especially
those who are just kids oradults growing up at that time.
(02:37):
I know I've had a lot of thoseconversations, and from a lot of
them. It does feel an awful lotlike those times, lots of
comparisons, especially postKennedy and MLK Junior
assassinations and just in themidst of an energy crisis, this
has all kind of happened before,and things just seemed to
accelerate once they gotstarted. And we find ourselves
here again with things started,and we're in an accelerated
(02:59):
period where we see insaneprogress in the space sector,
after NASA and the US investedin the private space sector,
lifting up rocket launchproviders, developing human
rated spacecraft for the US tohave independence from Russia,
and sending astronauts intospace and trial running
commercial lunar landers. And inthe meantime, the US enters yet
(03:21):
another war, peace and justiceare hard to find, and corruption
and a lack of values baseddecisions has left most with
high costs and wages that justcan't keep up. So increased
space progress, increasedsocietal chaos. So in this week
of Independence Day, I urge youto look back at the 1970s and
search for parallels and lessonsfrom that era. I think there are
(03:45):
nuggets of hope and insightsinto what's next for us in 2025
and beyond, and there's no doubtthat we are in the throes of the
second space race and conundrum.Over the years, I've often
shared a message about freedomand independence, and my hope
that every human being gets toexperience that, while it's very
easy to slip into Doom andeverything that's going on, I
(04:08):
found something new to add to myutility belt for life. For the
last decade of the podcast, I'vegrown a lot as a human. It's
helped me become a disciplined,hard working, goal oriented
science communicator of spacefor space, there's a lot of
drive, determination, grit andambition involved, but now I
found that gratitude, empathy,patience and adaptability are my
(04:32):
North Stars now, and for me, thedaily practice of a gratitude
journal, three things before Igo to bed, three things when I
wake up, has helped me develop areally powerful tool for
fighting the madness of theworld and for finding focus. Not
only am I giving myself moregrace in my own expectations and
goals, but it's freeing my mindto really focus on what I need
(04:53):
to do. So many of us, myselfincluded, are being sucked into
this chaotic black hole of thetimes that we live in and those.
Of us that can gain attitudecontrol will have a chance at
surviving and eventuallythriving when we get through the
other side of this and so thekind of freedom and independence
that I'm talking about this yearis about your own mental
(05:14):
freedom, your own mentalindependence. If you can control
your mind, then you can adapt toany scenario, in any situation,
if you know your values, thenyou never worry about doing
things for other people'svalidation, and you can focus on
the things that matter to youand the world that you want to
live in. And I'm not saying thatany of this is easy, but I do
think it's the tool we can alluse to stay strong and fight for
(05:37):
what we each believe in. Andthen if we all start discussing
our own values, and we can findcommon ground instead of just
trying to win another game forthe team, even though that team
doesn't stand what youoriginally believed in. If we
find that common ground, that'swhen we can really start making
a difference. So let me leaveyou with some gratitude that I
have for where we are in thespace industry and humanity. If
(05:57):
you bear with me, just anotherfew seconds, let me share what I
think about when I think aboutwith gratitude, and really what
I've been learning in the lastfew months, I find that
gratitude is just like a flameand a candle, right? If you can
muster up enough courage tolight the first candle, right,
just just to start the progressof gratitude, then you realize
you could actually, with thatone candle, light an infinite
(06:18):
amount of candles, or at leastfor as long as the first candle
wick will last. And yeah, thisdoes apply to lighting the
candle that is a rocket ship.But really what I'm talking
about here is the metaphor thatgratitude seems really hard to
start, almost impossible, butwhen you do, you realize the
potential of how many otherthings you can actually be
(06:40):
grateful for. And in thatmoment, you gain freedom,
freedom from the madness and allthe things going wrong, and you
gain focus on what you actuallyhave in front of you, instead of
all of the things that couldpossibly be the Schrodinger cat
right, just open the box and seewhat's in there. So for today, I
am grateful that both Jaredisaacman And Elon Musk are no
(07:03):
longer a part of the Trumpcampaign. Jared seems to be
determined to help the space andaerospace industry grow in
whatever way that he can. He gotthe bug of being NASA
administrator, and seemsdedicated to helping however he
can during these chaotic timesof deep cuts to the space
program. It's great that we haveleaders and shepherds like Jared
isaacman that can really be abig pillar in what's going to
(07:27):
happen next. And Elon seems tohave a sour taste in his mouth
from his political era and isback working on the engineering
problems he is so good atsolving. His teams continue to
do amazing work and carry themajority of us space launches to
space, and that also includesmore launches to space than any
other country in the world aswell, yearly. And so I'm
(07:48):
grateful that there are allthese people working to keep up
that crazy kind of launchcadence and to do it
successfully so many times in arow. I'm also grateful for
leaders from the space industrythat are off influencing other
industries, right? Whether it'sold space Xers and Blue Origin
employees that are startingtheir own companies to solve
problems they care about, orastronauts like Terry Virts
(08:11):
entering politics to makechange, or the many government
workers moving to the privatesector, or another career
entirely, these space folk willmake waves wherever they go, and
that's good. I'm also gratefulthat Europe is moving to become
more independent and find itsown launch capabilities and not
have to rely on the US fundingof NASA to keep their space
(08:35):
program up. Just like NASAexperiences the push and pull of
space program being a politicalfootball, ESA and other
international partners can havetheir efforts stopped completely
by the US deciding to cancelprograms like the Mars sample
return. And I think anindependent and self sufficient
European Space Program is a goodthing, and I hope they can come
(08:55):
together with a plan to makethat happen, figure out all the
great things that they're doingand align it in a way that's
good for Europe, which will thenjust be good for Humanity's
space program in general. I'malso grateful for countries like
Japan who continue to push theboundaries by having private
companies like ispace try tostart from scratch to land on
the moon and make it a businessand longtime engine experts like
(09:18):
Honda getting into the spacegame and successfully testing
reusable rockets and landingthem. Pretty amazing. I'm also
grateful for SpaceX, and I knowthere's a lot of folks who
rightfully so, have a gripe withElon, and thus SpaceX. But what
I'm grateful for is that SpaceXis also developing the only
other option capable of sendinghumans to Mars and beyond, and
(09:39):
with a chip on Elon's shoulder,you can bet he will continue to
invest in the starship programhimself, even if the government
decides not to. You know,they've hit bumps for sure, and
no wonder why. It's the largest,most powerful rocket ever made,
and by a large margin. If theamazing talent continues to stay
and enter into the starshiprings, then starship. Has the
(10:00):
ability to keep us movingforward in space. And if it
works, then we can survive NASA,taking this big financial talent
and strategic step backwards.And if it works, we can go to
the Moon and Mars, and notypical presidential, Senate,
congressional politics can stopor decimate it like it has for
plenty of NASA projects afterthe space shuttle, if it works,
(10:23):
there is a future for space anda capability that far outweighs
what we've had in the past orhave planned for the future
right now, and that's what I'mgrateful for in the space
industry, but from a human andsocietal perspective, what I'm
grateful for is that I'mstarting to see people gain
courage. I think people arelooking for alternatives and
(10:45):
adapting to major changes andfinding a way to make it happen.
We're becoming more resilientand learning to stand up for
what we actually believe in, andnot just something that's
popular in the moment. It's noteveryone, and we all have our
problems, believe me, but whendid any generation have it all
figured
(11:05):
out? They didn't, and yet theyfound a way, and I believe we
can do that, but only, only ifwe can find our own mental
freedom. And so my wish for youis to find your freedom, fight
for your own thoughts andbeliefs and continue to adapt as
we go through the chaostogether. We'd love to hear what
you think and how you'readapting in these times, and if
(11:28):
you work in the space industryor are in the middle of changing
careers or jobs, we would loveto hear from you and cheer you
on. So email us at Today InSpace podcast@gmail.com and you
know, make sure to follow us onInstagram, at Today In Space pod
on Facebook, at Today In Spacepodcast, tick tock at Today In
Space. YouTube, at Today InSpace and El Greco on x. That's
(11:51):
E, L, G, R, 3c, O, that's mypersonal account. And where we
go live, if you guys need middleof the night vibe when there's
clear nights, we've got ourtelescope streaming live from
our backyard, and those havebeen a lot of fun. We've had
maybe like, seven clear nightsthis year so far. So it hasn't
been a ton, but we have beenable to get that out there. And
(12:12):
I love it. I just love when atelescope works and we can plan
out the whole night, and we'vegot some great chill music, some
Lo Fi, some jazz, just asmattering of stuff. So if
you're up late, you're worriedabout the world, you're trying
to dial down, maybe you've gotkids and you you're just up
late. I've heard from so manypeople that even while the
telescope is up and people aresleeping, it's bringing some
(12:35):
kind of escape for people, andescape by looking at the
universe. So I think that's ait's an awesome thing. It's a
really cool thing. We startedthis year. So make sure to
follow us wherever you follow usonline, because that's where
we'll be going live. And also,for more space launches, we've
got starship 10 that shouldhappen eventually here, right?
Sooner rather than later,because SpaceX is going to find
(12:55):
another starship and super heavybooster to get up and running
for that 10th test. And then Iwould expect the 11th test to be
very shortly after that. Sowe've got a lot of stuff in that
regard happening. There's a tonof things in space that are
going to continue to happen, sowe have a lot to look forward
to, and space progress willcontinue here, even amidst the
(13:17):
chaos. So thank you for joiningus and for being a part of this
podcast. If you haven't reachedout, we really would love to
hear from you, so please do andwe just wish anyone in the US to
have a great Independence Day.Stay safe, have a good time with
friends and family. If you'renot in the US, we still wish and
hope that you find your mentalfreedom as with everything going
(13:38):
on. It is the unlock for makingthe most out of the times that
we have. Thank you for joiningus. Happy Independence Day. We
hope you have a great rest ofyour week. Spread love, spread
science, stay curious, and we'llsee you on the next episode of
Today In Space. You.
Welcome to Today In Space, andwelcome to our fourth of July
(00:03):
episode for 2025 I'll be sharingsome of my thoughts I've had
about the world of space and howit relates to everyone,
including my yearly messageabout freedom and independence
on this American holiday. If youhaven't already, please
subscribe to the podcast. Ifyou're on Apple podcast Spotify
or YouTube or your favoritepodcast player. Please give us a
five star review if you love theepisode and what we're doing
(00:24):
here on the podcast, and don'tforget to check out what's new
in our 3d printing lab. AG, 3dat. AG, 3d printing.com or at
AG, 3d printing on Instagram andYouTube and on, AG, 3d printing
lab on tick tock. We've got somebig news coming at the end of
the month. So make sure you'refollowing us there and you have
a 3d printing project that youneed help on. Or if you're
(00:45):
trying to figure out if 3dprinting can help, go to AG, 3d
printing.com to learn more. Solet's begin this week's episode.
Thanks for joining us. Thoughtsfrom an engineer, the search for
mental freedom. We're living inthe midst of a great change in
the world, for humanity and forthe US, Space Program and the
US, and just everything rightnow, it's crazy. The president's
(01:08):
pick for NASA Administrator,Jared Isaac min, had passed the
Senate committee'srecommendation and was moving to
a full Senate vote, only to havethe nomination taken away by the
same president who recommendedthem, and a candidate that had a
long list of veteran astronautsin support from cross the aisle
that this was their guy. NASA'sbudget faces large monetary cut
(01:32):
in the space program's history.NASA employees have begun a
strike outside NASA HQ as ofthis Monday, June 30, all while
war continues around the world,these are chaotic times, no
doubt, and yet, it's not thefirst time the world has
experienced chaos and flirtationwith destruction. It's also not
(01:52):
the first time NASA has had itsbudgets cut drastically and
basically starting from scratch,and it certainly is not the
first time or the last thatthings will feel impossible. So
what can we learn from the past?What can we learn from the first
space conundrum cycle of ourfirst space race and its post
Apollo tumble in the Nixon era?Well, to start, if you are new
(02:15):
or have never heard the spaceconundru Before, the space
conundrum is a theory we havehere on the podcast, it states
that there is a strangecorrelation with increased
progress in space and increasedchaos in society. If we look at
the first space race, we can seethis phenomena unfold over some
wild times. Ask anyone who wasliving at that time, especially
those who are just kids oradults growing up at that time.
(02:37):
I know I've had a lot of thoseconversations, and from a lot of
them. It does feel an awful lotlike those times, lots of
comparisons, especially postKennedy and MLK Junior
assassinations and just in themidst of an energy crisis, this
has all kind of happened before,and things just seemed to
accelerate once they gotstarted. And we find ourselves
here again with things started,and we're in an accelerated
(02:59):
period where we see insaneprogress in the space sector,
after NASA and the US investedin the private space sector,
lifting up rocket launchproviders, developing human
rated spacecraft for the US tohave independence from Russia,
and sending astronauts intospace and trial running
commercial lunar landers. And inthe meantime, the US enters yet
(03:21):
another war, peace and justiceare hard to find, and corruption
and a lack of values baseddecisions has left most with
high costs and wages that justcan't keep up. So increased
space progress, increasedsocietal chaos. So in this week
of Independence Day, I urge youto look back at the 1970s and
search for parallels and lessonsfrom that era. I think there are
(03:45):
nuggets of hope and insightsinto what's next for us in 2025
and beyond, and there's no doubtthat we are in the throes of the
second space race and conundrum.Over the years, I've often
shared a message about freedomand independence, and my hope
that every human being gets toexperience that, while it's very
easy to slip into Doom andeverything that's going on, I
(04:08):
found something new to add to myutility belt for life. For the
last decade of the podcast, I'vegrown a lot as a human. It's
helped me become a disciplined,hard working, goal oriented
science communicator of spacefor space, there's a lot of
drive, determination, grit andambition involved, but now I
found that gratitude, empathy,patience and adaptability are my
(04:32):
North Stars now, and for me, thedaily practice of a gratitude
journal, three things before Igo to bed, three things when I
wake up, has helped me develop areally powerful tool for
fighting the madness of theworld and for finding focus. Not
only am I giving myself moregrace in my own expectations and
goals, but it's freeing my mindto really focus on what I need
(04:53):
to do. So many of us, myselfincluded, are being sucked into
this chaotic black hole of thetimes that we live in and those.
Of us that can gain attitudecontrol will have a chance at
surviving and eventuallythriving when we get through the
other side of this and so thekind of freedom and independence
that I'm talking about this yearis about your own mental
(05:14):
freedom, your own mentalindependence. If you can control
your mind, then you can adapt toany scenario, in any situation,
if you know your values, thenyou never worry about doing
things for other people'svalidation, and you can focus on
the things that matter to youand the world that you want to
live in. And I'm not saying thatany of this is easy, but I do
think it's the tool we can alluse to stay strong and fight for
(05:37):
what we each believe in. Andthen if we all start discussing
our own values, and we can findcommon ground instead of just
trying to win another game forthe team, even though that team
doesn't stand what youoriginally believed in. If we
find that common ground, that'swhen we can really start making
a difference. So let me leaveyou with some gratitude that I
have for where we are in thespace industry and humanity. If
(05:57):
you bear with me, just anotherfew seconds, let me share what I
think about when I think aboutwith gratitude, and really what
I've been learning in the lastfew months, I find that
gratitude is just like a flameand a candle, right? If you can
muster up enough courage tolight the first candle, right,
just just to start the progressof gratitude, then you realize
you could actually, with thatone candle, light an infinite
(06:18):
amount of candles, or at leastfor as long as the first candle
wick will last. And yeah, thisdoes apply to lighting the
candle that is a rocket ship.But really what I'm talking
about here is the metaphor thatgratitude seems really hard to
start, almost impossible, butwhen you do, you realize the
potential of how many otherthings you can actually be
(06:40):
grateful for. And in thatmoment, you gain freedom,
freedom from the madness and allthe things going wrong, and you
gain focus on what you actuallyhave in front of you, instead of
all of the things that couldpossibly be the Schrodinger cat
right, just open the box and seewhat's in there. So for today, I
am grateful that both Jaredisaacman And Elon Musk are no
(07:03):
longer a part of the Trumpcampaign. Jared seems to be
determined to help the space andaerospace industry grow in
whatever way that he can. He gotthe bug of being NASA
administrator, and seemsdedicated to helping however he
can during these chaotic timesof deep cuts to the space
program. It's great that we haveleaders and shepherds like Jared
isaacman that can really be abig pillar in what's going to
(07:27):
happen next. And Elon seems tohave a sour taste in his mouth
from his political era and isback working on the engineering
problems he is so good atsolving. His teams continue to
do amazing work and carry themajority of us space launches to
space, and that also includesmore launches to space than any
other country in the world aswell, yearly. And so I'm
(07:48):
grateful that there are allthese people working to keep up
that crazy kind of launchcadence and to do it
successfully so many times in arow. I'm also grateful for
leaders from the space industrythat are off influencing other
industries, right? Whether it'sold space Xers and Blue Origin
employees that are startingtheir own companies to solve
problems they care about, orastronauts like Terry Virts
(08:11):
entering politics to makechange, or the many government
workers moving to the privatesector, or another career
entirely, these space folk willmake waves wherever they go, and
that's good. I'm also gratefulthat Europe is moving to become
more independent and find itsown launch capabilities and not
have to rely on the US fundingof NASA to keep their space
(08:35):
program up. Just like NASAexperiences the push and pull of
space program being a politicalfootball, ESA and other
international partners can havetheir efforts stopped completely
by the US deciding to cancelprograms like the Mars sample
return. And I think anindependent and self sufficient
European Space Program is a goodthing, and I hope they can come
(08:55):
together with a plan to makethat happen, figure out all the
great things that they're doingand align it in a way that's
good for Europe, which will thenjust be good for Humanity's
space program in general. I'malso grateful for countries like
Japan who continue to push theboundaries by having private
companies like ispace try tostart from scratch to land on
the moon and make it a businessand longtime engine experts like
(09:18):
Honda getting into the spacegame and successfully testing
reusable rockets and landingthem. Pretty amazing. I'm also
grateful for SpaceX, and I knowthere's a lot of folks who
rightfully so, have a gripe withElon, and thus SpaceX. But what
I'm grateful for is that SpaceXis also developing the only
other option capable of sendinghumans to Mars and beyond, and
(09:39):
with a chip on Elon's shoulder,you can bet he will continue to
invest in the starship programhimself, even if the government
decides not to. You know,they've hit bumps for sure, and
no wonder why. It's the largest,most powerful rocket ever made,
and by a large margin. If theamazing talent continues to stay
and enter into the starshiprings, then starship. Has the
(10:00):
ability to keep us movingforward in space. And if it
works, then we can survive NASA,taking this big financial talent
and strategic step backwards.And if it works, we can go to
the Moon and Mars, and notypical presidential, Senate,
congressional politics can stopor decimate it like it has for
plenty of NASA projects afterthe space shuttle, if it works,
(10:23):
there is a future for space anda capability that far outweighs
what we've had in the past orhave planned for the future
right now, and that's what I'mgrateful for in the space
industry, but from a human andsocietal perspective, what I'm
grateful for is that I'mstarting to see people gain
courage. I think people arelooking for alternatives and
(10:45):
adapting to major changes andfinding a way to make it happen.
We're becoming more resilientand learning to stand up for
what we actually believe in, andnot just something that's
popular in the moment. It's noteveryone, and we all have our
problems, believe me, but whendid any generation have it all
figured
(11:05):
out? They didn't, and yet theyfound a way, and I believe we
can do that, but only, only ifwe can find our own mental
freedom. And so my wish for youis to find your freedom, fight
for your own thoughts andbeliefs and continue to adapt as
we go through the chaostogether. We'd love to hear what
you think and how you'readapting in these times, and if
(11:28):
you work in the space industryor are in the middle of changing
careers or jobs, we would loveto hear from you and cheer you
on. So email us at Today InSpace podcast@gmail.com and you
know, make sure to follow us onInstagram, at Today In Space pod
on Facebook, at Today In Spacepodcast, tick tock at Today In
Space. YouTube, at Today InSpace and El Greco on x. That's
(11:51):
E, L, G, R, 3c, O, that's mypersonal account. And where we
go live, if you guys need middleof the night vibe when there's
clear nights, we've got ourtelescope streaming live from
our backyard, and those havebeen a lot of fun. We've had
maybe like, seven clear nightsthis year so far. So it hasn't
been a ton, but we have beenable to get that out there. And
(12:12):
I love it. I just love when atelescope works and we can plan
out the whole night, and we'vegot some great chill music, some
Lo Fi, some jazz, just asmattering of stuff. So if
you're up late, you're worriedabout the world, you're trying
to dial down, maybe you've gotkids and you you're just up
late. I've heard from so manypeople that even while the
telescope is up and people aresleeping, it's bringing some
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kind of escape for people, andescape by looking at the
universe. So I think that's ait's an awesome thing. It's a
really cool thing. We startedthis year. So make sure to
follow us wherever you follow usonline, because that's where
we'll be going live. And also,for more space launches, we've
got starship 10 that shouldhappen eventually here, right?
Sooner rather than later,because SpaceX is going to find
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another starship and super heavybooster to get up and running
for that 10th test. And then Iwould expect the 11th test to be
very shortly after that. Sowe've got a lot of stuff in that
regard happening. There's a tonof things in space that are
going to continue to happen, sowe have a lot to look forward
to, and space progress willcontinue here, even amidst the
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chaos. So thank you for joiningus and for being a part of this
podcast. If you haven't reachedout, we really would love to
hear from you, so please do andwe just wish anyone in the US to
have a great Independence Day.Stay safe, have a good time with
friends and family. If you'renot in the US, we still wish and
hope that you find your mentalfreedom as with everything going
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on. It is the unlock for makingthe most out of the times that
we have. Thank you for joiningus. Happy Independence Day. We
hope you have a great rest ofyour week. Spread love, spread
science, stay curious, and we'llsee you on the next episode of
Today In Space. You.
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