True Bill Talk

True Bill Talk

From the Vanderbilt Project on Prosecution Policy, True Bill Talk is about getting to the truth of criminal prosecution in America right now: what it is, how people experience it, and how prosecutors can better serve their communities. Each episode of the podcast will feature in-depth conversations between Vanderbilt Law Professor Alissa Marque Heydari and prosecutors, policy experts, and advocates with diverse perspectives on the challenges and responsibilities of prosecution. Produced by Kerry Hayes from Coeo Strategies, Collin Nixon, and Alissa Marque Heydari. Music by Ashot Danielian and Ivymusic.

Episodes

September 30, 2025 71 mins

Hillary Blout is the Founder and CEO of For the People. A former prosecutor, Hillary has been at the forefront of advocating for prosecutor-initiated re-sentencing (PIR) laws across the country.

In this episode, we explore Hillary's compelling personal journey, including her experience growing up in a low-income, high-crime neighborhood. She shares how both her personal and professional background have shaped her perspectives on j...

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Sherry Boston has served as the District Attorney of DeKalb County, Georgia since 2017. But describing her just as a "local DA" doesn’t capture her full impact. In addition to her work with us here at VPOPP,  she’s active in organizations like her state DA’s association and the National Black Prosecutors’ Association. She’s also the lead plaintiff in a major lawsuit challenging a controversial Georgia law that gives the state power...

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Byron Black was recently executed in Tennessee. This is not your typical capital case, however, because the current local district attorney actually agreed with the defense that Mr. Black's death sentence should be commuted to life in prison. However, the Tennessee Attorney General then took over the appeal and pushed for execution anyway.

It's a perfect example of the growing tension between local prosecutors and state officials—...

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David Leavitt led the Utah County DA’s office for 4 years before being voted out of office in 2022. David spent four years trying to rein in excessive plea deals, questioning his own office’s outdated norms, and demanding real checks on police power. His approach earned him an intense backlash, and his 2022 re-election campaign became a referendum on the potential and limits of shaking up the status quo - but the real lessons are i...

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July 2, 2025 45 mins

Recently, with support from Microsoft, VPOPP worked with the Policing Project at NYU School of Law to produce a report about how artificial intelligence (AI) tools are impacting the work of prosecutors around the country. Katie Kinsey, the Policing Project’s chief of staff and tech policy counsel, is a leading voice on what AI can do, should do, and will do in the criminal justice system in the years to come. Simply put, as the tec...

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On this episode, Alissa speaks with two women who are reshaping what victim advocacy is and what it could do for our criminal justice system.

Rafiah Muhammad-McCormick became an advocate after her son was killed in her backyard. Today, she works with Tennesseans for Alternatives to the Death Penalty and Rodney’s Village, a nonprofit that she founded...

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On April 28, 2025, the Trump Administration issued an executive order aimed broadly at local law enforcement -- but one section stood out. Section 5 of the Order represents a statement of how the Administration intends to get involved in decisions made by local prosecutors.

In this special episode of True Bill Talk, we invite two well-known criminal justice scholars – Professors Carissa Hessick (UNC School of Law) and Brenner Fiss...

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Torry Johnson was the District Attorney of Davidson County, Tennessee for 26 years. In this conversation, Torry shared his thoughts about the so-called "progressive prosecutor" movement, the right-ward shift in Tennessee’s politics, and how he thinks about the role of the DA when the job has become heavily politicized.

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Larry Krasner, the Philadelphia District Attorney since 2017, has become something of a lightning rod and is now one of the most well-known prosecutors in the entire country. Larry and two of his line prosecutors were recently in Nashville to visit Vanderbilt Law School and speak with our students about careers in prosecution. While they were in town, we recorded this interview in which they discussed their work and views on the cr...

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On this episode of True Bill Talk, Alissa talks with Buncombe County DA Todd Williams about the complexities of prosecutorial discretion, including the death penalty, politics, and his personal beliefs in justice. 
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True Bill Talk explores the realities of criminal prosecution in America. Each episode features in-depth  conversations with prosecutors, policy experts, and advocates with diverse perspectives on the challenges and responsibilities of prosecution. Hosted by Alissa Marque Heydari of the Vanderbilt Project on Prosecution Policy.
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