November 1, 2025 • 42 mins
Is humanity on the verge of discovering ancient alien intelligence—or are we simply imagining cosmic mysteries? On today’s episode of Truth Be Told on Club Paranormal, host Tony Sweet welcomes astrophysicist Dr. Bryce Bolin to unravel the enigma of 3I/ATLAS, the latest interstellar visitor stirring up scientific debate. Could this fast-moving object be a sign of advanced extraterrestrial technology… or just another piece of space rock?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well, today we're going to be diving deep into the
mysteries of our world and beyond. Today we're talking about
one of the most fascinating and controversial discoveries to come
out of the world of space and science. Yes, we're
talking about the Three Eye Atlas. And joining us today
is astrophysicist and researcher Bryce Bullen, a leading voice in
(00:24):
the study of interstellar objects in the phenomenon that challenges
our understanding of the universe. Bryce has been at the
forefront of the conversation surrounding three I Atlas, what some
believe could be a technological signature or even evidence of
extraterrestrial intelligence. Is it a natural cosmic object, a probe
sent from a distant civilization, or something entirely different. Today
(00:48):
Bryce helps us cut through the speculation and scientific noise
to uncover the truth behind three I Atlas and what
it could mean for humanity. So buckle up, truth seekers,
It's going to be a mind expanding ride. I'm Tony
sweet with Truth Be Told. Please welcome to the Truth
Be Told Studios. For the first time astrophysicist and researcher
(01:09):
Bryce Bowling. There is I Love it.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Happy Halloween, Thank you for the intro. It is very nice,
of course, of course.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
And do you go by doctor.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Uh, well, you don't have to call me doctor, just
call me Bryce.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I prefer that if you call you doctor, you have
to send a check, right.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I mean, we're we're discussing science topics here, and that's
kind of we use the doctor title, but I keep
things kind of low key right here.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Well, I love it, and uh for for people out
there listening, Uh, today, we're we're in a new month
of November, and every place I look on is Instagram
and TikTok and even in my world of paranormal and
people are talking about three I at lists And first
(02:10):
of all, can we just dive right in and just
tell what three I atlas is. I mean, we've seen
the pictures, we've heard about it, but we don't really
know what it is.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah. Sure, So three I at liss is the third
That's the reason why I has the name three in I.
It's the third object that is an interstellar Let's see
object of interstellar origin. That's what the eye stands for
in three I. This is an object what we define
as interstellar as something which we know at a very
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very high level of competence originated from outside our solar system.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
So we've seen asteroids and comets inside that originated from
inside our solar system go interstellar. But those we know
for sure they encountered they because they encountered Jupiter, or
it had some other kind of event that caused their
orbits to be perturbed to a level where they would
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build interstellar. We know that they originated from inside our
solar system. But the interstellar objects we're talking about one eye,
two I or a saw and now this most recent
one three I Atlas. These are objects that we know
definitively had to have originated outside the solar system. Thus
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we call them the interstellar odds.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
That and I honestly I did. I knew there was
this was the thirds, but I didn't connect the two.
So I'm or the three. So thank you for telling
telling this that. And what of this one, this particular
one three eye atlas? What makes this different from its
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interstellar predecessors? Is there anything different at all?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
That's a good question, excellent question, because it appears that
these objects are all quite different from each other. Wow.
And it depends on how you look things and how
you define differences. But the first interstellar object, One Eye Uma,
was very very weird. When we first saw it, we
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were like shocked and it was it had an appearance
of like an asteroid. We thought it could be an asteroid,
which was very shocking. It was actually very startling because
we think that the processes that produce these interstellar objects
is more favorable towards producing comet interstellar objects rather than
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an asteroidal interstellar objects. So when One Eye was first discovered,
it had no evidence, no apparently obvious visual evidence that
it was a comet. It appeared to be like a
point source. So when you're looking at a comet in
a nice sky like the one that's in my background
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right here, it is extended, it is resolved. You're actually
seeing the full size of the object in space, is
projecting an area across the sky that is due to
its size. However, when you're looking at these stars like
this one right here, like these other little point sources,
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you're not seeing true size that star. It's very very
far away, so its angular size, it's apparent size, is
so small that the laws of physics don't let you
see its true size. We call those unresolved objects, And
it has to do with the fact that if you're
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observing from the ground, we're looking through the atmosphere and
that is smearing the light out where it spreads the
light out at a scale that is much bigger than
the star appears in the actual physical size of the
stars it would appear from your perspective on Earth. And
if you're in space, you still have issues because the
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laws of physics, the laws of diffraction, set a limit
to how small things you can see. And it's a
lot smaller than what you can see from the ground,
but it's still not let's say, good enough resolution for
you to actually see a star in his full size
as his actual physical size in space. So when I
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talk about Mua being not like a comet, that's what
it means. It looks like it looked like a star
point source, an unresolved point source. Whereas the other two
interstellar objects two I Borsov three I at Lias, they
had a cometary appearance. They had a coma you could see,
was fuzzy and it had a tail, like a lot
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of comments we talked about having tails, and so those
it was much easier to see it. Those were comments,
but was a point source, and I was very startling
to us.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
That was very shocking to us now and Borisov and
even at less, how do we determine this is from
a different star? I mean, the space is such, I
mean it's so large, how do you even determine that?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, I mean that that's a good question. And that
was the defining problem for interstellar objects. When we first
saw for the very first interstellar object, we were very
astounded by it because it's properties, it's trajectory and space
seemed very very distinctive in that it could not have
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come from inside the Solar System. So I'll talk a
little bit about another comet, another object called nineteen eighty Bowl.
And nineteen eighty Bowl we saw when we detected it
it was a hyperbolic object. Oh, that it was on
a trajectory that was going to leave the Solar System
and never come back again. Wow. But that particular object,
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nineteen eightle Bowl, when we studied its trajectory, we saw
that it passed by Jupiter. And when objects passed by Jupiter,
they go they go by Jupiter, they can get sling
shot out in the interstellar space. So we had we
had an explanation. So Okay, So when I say interstellar,
when I say hyperbolic, what that means is that they
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have a trajectory in space that cannot be described as
a circle or an ellipse. So many many centuries ago,
there was a scientist by the name of Johann Kept.
He's a German guy, and he came up with these
laws of planetary motion. And one of the laws says
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that objects that are orbiting the Sun have a trajectory
that is described as though it's a circle or an
ellipse that is closed. So an ellipse is basically like
an egg like circle. So if I can get done there,
a circle is going to be like that, but an
ellipse is going to be like more more elongated, more
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more egg shaped like. And these interstellar objects, or I
say hyperbolic opect I say hyperbolic, its trajectory as it
goes passes by the Sun is not a closed loop.
It's an open loop. And for these interstellar objects, they
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have these hyperbolic trajectories where when we study them, when
we see them, we trace their trajectory through space. We
know that they did not encounter Jupiter or any known
gas giant planet or ice giant planet in our in
our star system, there is Planet nine's possible mystery planet
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that is hundreds of a astronomical units. An astronomic unit
is the distance between the Earth and the Sun. So
we're talking about this mystery planet that could be could
be out three hundred times that distance. It could be
out in the outskirts of We haven't detected it yet,
we're not sure if it's there. But even Planet nine
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is in a location to where these interstellar objects couldn't
have encountered it. Wow. So there is no massive body
in our stars, in our in our Solar system that
could have slingshot of these objects. So for Umuama, we
it was basically coming almost straight down like you're imagining
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our in the planets and are making like a target
and we have the bulls eye that is it's not
It almost came straight down like a like it was
trying to hit the bullseye there. And if it were
a comet that encountered some of our planets, it would
have come more in line and plane in the same
orbital plane as all the other plants. But because of
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us coming straight down, we knew there was no way
that it could have encountered one of our planets.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I had to had to have come from another star.
There's just no there's just no other way about it.
And it was moving about thirty kilometers a second at
va An at infinity, so it's speed at an infinite
distance from our Sun was extremely fast. And for objects
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that originate from inside our star system, their speed at
the infinity is zero.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
That's pretty awesome. And is this more like the physical
trade that really stands out to you or when it
when it comes to terms of shape and spending, velocity velocity,
Is that kind of what you're talking about, because that's
pretty fascinating to see something that's completely out of the
ordinary when majority of the people that are looking into
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our space. I guess it was also pretty exciting to
see something that's different.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Oh yeah, it was very was very Uh was very startling.
I remember I couldn't believe it when I saw it.
When it was when I saw the data the information,
I thought I had to be a joke. And you
know what, the funny thing that occurred around a halloweena
(12:52):
perfect timing. Yeah, it was very it was very spooky,
and it was Yeah, it was October mid October, and
then when it we're really we're convinced that this was
thing was real, that it was really interstellar, was about following.
So it made things very spooky and uh so at
some point we just had to accept the truth and Okay,
(13:12):
this is the this is the real deal, and we
got we got to studying it because we've had some
false some false alarms, not really so much before, but
in the time after um some people claimed to have
found an interstellar object. And you can have false false
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alarms that are triggered by wrong information about the object,
and it can exaggerate things. It can make it seem interstellar,
but it's not really interstellar. So when it when we
first when we first saw and then after that we
started become more skeptical about it. But so the evidence
had to be very very strong to convince us of.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
The three, uh which one is probably moving the fastest,
and so Atlas is moving the fastest, and.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Oh yeah, is it?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Because I mean again, you hear all kinds of conspiracy theories,
and you hear theories about you know, and we're going
to get into the potential extraterrestrial ship. But the movement
about how it's slightly moving off its course. Can you
set that record straight? Where is it in a straight line?
(14:33):
Or I mean, I guess unless it hits an object?
But is it Is it heading in the same direction
as it was when it entered our solar system?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yes, so to be of infinity of three i atlas.
So as as speed at an infinite distance from the Sun,
it's about sixty kilometers a second.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, yeah, it's very fast. Yeah, and there's a reason
for that. And it has to do with its galactic orbit.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
What is that for the people that don't know what
galactic orbit is?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Well, so you know how we talked about Johann Kepler,
So his laws of planetary motion, they assume some things
about gravity. Well, actually he didn't really have a theory
of gravity, to be honest. It wasn't until Newton came
along really put the pieces together. Galleo helped as well,
but he just looked at these things from an observational standpoint.
(15:36):
He didn't know the reason why the plants went around
the sun, but he could see that they went around
the sun, right, and he could describe how they went
around the sun. He didn't have that theoretical explanation. Newton
did that, but Kepler was right. His laws are correct,
and what they say, what they rely on, is an
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understanding ofvity that assumes gravity does not is constant with time. However,
when you and that, and that works for astrays and
comments that are orbiting the Sun. However, when you're getting
out very very far away from our Sun, so we're
talking about thousands of au, we're talking about maybe a
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quarter of the distance between us and Alpha Cintari, the
gravity from the galaxy becomes very relevant. And that doesn't
operate like gravity in our star system, our soul system.
And it's not It doesn't mean that the laws of
physics are changing. It's just how the laws of physics
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operate at galactic scales is different. And this is due
to the fact that galaxy, our galaxy is beautiful by
the way it has spiral arms, it has gas clouds,
it has streams of dark matter, and it's massive. And
when all these things combine as because we're floating around
the galaxy, we're not we're not static, so we're we're
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the Earth is orbiting the Sun, but the Sun is
orbiting in the galaxy. And guess what also, orbits the
galaxy these interstellar objects.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Right wow, yeah, good point.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
And and the gravity, the gravity is not constant with
time because as we're orbiting the galaxy as hard as
our Sun is orbiting a galaxy, and as these interstellar
objects are orbiting galaxy, they are encountering dark matter, galactic
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gas clouds, spiral arms. And because these structures inside the
galaxy are so massive, they exert a gravitational tug that
is different that changes with position and time. As well
as our Sun or these or cellar objects orbit the
center of the galaxy, the galaxy is a lot more
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complicated than our It's a lot, there's a lot going
in there.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
It's almost like looking inside of a body. You know,
it's like just the cells inside of a body. It's
it's pretty amazing when you think about it. It's like,
we're just.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I'm glad you said that because I had a similar
thought I I thought I had. I thought the same
thing as well, when I was looking at some galaxies
that they look like cells. They have like a nucleus
and you know, they like and our cells, the nucleus
has like the DNA in it, but then they have
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like the cell itself that surrounds nucleus. But there's also
these organelles like mitochondria, and you got all these wild
little organelles floating around them. But galaxies that they look
like to me, they they kind of look like I
got some in my background field here. No, they do.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I just think they look like little cells that which
is pretty amazing. We're like a sale inside of a
sale inside of a Yeah, it's it's pretty it's pretty great.
And the uh, the technology I'm sure today has helped
a lot of these discoveries because I couldn't imagine fifty
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years ago to be able to even to see this
far out. But what what are some of the technologies
did you know of that are currently in development? Because
we all want to kind of see what these are
a little closer. I don't you know, we're not going
to be able to get right next to them, but
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how could we ever have the technology and what technology
could we have to maybe get some samples from material,
not necessarily from these three but other travelers out there.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, as a people were I was talking to a
scientist the other day at the University of Wahi and
he was saying, yeah, we got to get samples from
these interstellar objects. That's that's going to have to be
how we really can understand anythings. But that's really hard.
These things. We have something that's to the infinity of
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sixty kilometers a second when it gets closer. As it
gets closer to the Sun, it accelerates to the Sun's gravity.
It's it's getting faster, right, So you have to have
what is we call it change in velocity. You're going
for the change and velocity of the Earth. Our our
velocity the Earth goes around the Sun. It's like something
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like thirty thousand miles an hour, so we're talking about
tens of kilometers a second cash up something that's going
like eighty or one hundred kilometers a second. That is
a huge amount of change in velocity. And you have
to rocket like some kind of propulsion that can accelerate
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from our base velocity here on Earth to catch one
of these things. And not only that, rendezvous is if
you want to collect a sample, you can't just fly
past the object. You can't shoot by it. You have
to accelerate and slow down to where you are orbiting
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that intercellar object. You can get catched, caught by its gravity.
And these things are small. There are hundreds of meters
in size, so the gravity is very weak. We're talking
about the gravitational acceleration is like centimeters per second square.
On planet Earth, we're very lucky that we have eleven
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meters per second square. These objects they're much smaller, much
less mass, So we're talking about centimeters millimeters per second square.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Where's Bruce Willis when we need him?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, well, I mean that was well he was I
mean it wasn't lucky because that was a scary asteroid
in that movie, Right, Texas, I think, right, but you
can have some real gravity. I mean, that's the Moon
is talking about with Wise, It's about the size of
the United States with Wise. So something the size of
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Texas is going to be certainly weaker gravity than but
it's not going to be non existent. But these smaller,
these little things, they're not going to have much gravity.
So it's connecting with them and then excavating and then
capturing material and storing and bringing me back to Earth
is going to be very very challenging. But is that impossible?
You know, man, man kind of a humankind. You know,
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we're we're problem solvers, you know, we can figure things.
I would figure out how to do things when we
said our when we set our minds to it, right,
we have to send our minds to it, and we
have you know, we have to think about saving the
human race, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, the way we're going, I'm not for sure we will,
but yeah, yeah, so I I know we couldn't even
end this if if we didn't ask a question, because
you know, I've I've been in the paranormal world and
UFO and extraterrestrials, and you know, many, not just a few,
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many have speculated this is an interstellar object that could
be artificial, which with scientific standards and or without non
natural non natural.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yes, hypothetically. When you say artificial, that implies human me right, right, right?
But if these things are of non natural origin, I
don't have anything to do with humans, right, true.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I guess that could be extraterrestrial since it's not from
our ours, ours or so, I guess that could be.
But how how do you as a scientist, how do
you how do you separate the two and how do
you explain that to people? Because eventually we may one
day get that object that comes from another galaxy or
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another star that is alien based. But how do how
do you separate the two?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I mean, that's that's the prize. That's like the hope, right,
I mean that you know, let's let's say, hypothetically, was
a non natural object, right, that would make the discovery
the most significant events and probably you know, I want,
like to say human human history rights, right, one of
the most significant events in human history in the last
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several hundred years. That would be that would be huge. Right,
that's like the prize, right, that's like the idea. But
I think you know, and this is very interesting because
I asked myself the same question and other areas of
my science. I don't want to bore you guys, but
we have there's a set of interesting objects, objects I
find very fascinating called earth co orbitals, and these are
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asteroids which have orbits very similar to the Earth, and
they do all sorts of funny things. They make horseshoes,
they make tadpoles, they make quasi satellites. We call them
mini moons, extra moons of the Earth. But they're just
so small, and we didn't have the technology to detect
these things until like maybe ten years ago, and we're
starting to do that. We're starting to find more of
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these things. But there's a question out there is that
could these so called quasi satellites mini moons, could they
be not art I'm going to use the word artificial
here because you know, we know we've put out a
lot of space junk, right, right, that stuff comes from
human origins, right, And it's the same question we have
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to ask ourselves when we look at one of these
min moons, is quasi satellites? What is the what are
the properties of the are the properties of something that
is artificial or the properties of something that is natural?
And it's the same question. It is the same question
that we can ask with interstellar objects. Yeah, it's it's controversial, right,
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It's a controversial top, right, you know. And I mean
I know Abby low Is. You know, he's gotten a
lot of attention for this, and let's say notoriety as well,
because there's some people in the scientific community who aren't
so happy with the I think it's the attention that
he's gotten in way about he's going about doing it.
I'm personally, I'm thankful that he's giving us a lot
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of a lot of press he's getting you know, he's
working really hard on that. I don't agree with everything
he says, right, but you know, I think that you
have to give credit where credit is due, and he
has brought up a lot of awareness to this topic. Now,
where we start to really, let's say, study difference between
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objects of non natural origin objects of natural origin is
you have to really examine the properties and what we
know about those properties and how we can tie those
properties to to physical props, to physical processes that are
natural or non natural. And in the topic of Earth
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co orbitals, we have to we we are expanding our
tool set, but we actually have a quite limited tool
set of of how to do that. One way to
do it is to study in trajectory of Earth co ordinals.
If you can catch it really early on, you can
sometimes tie it to a rocket launch. Bingo. Done you
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you like, because this happens quite a lot. Were launching
probes into different areas of the of the the Solar
system and uh it's these probes are launched by rockets
which have rocket boosters that separate and they go on
trajectories that leave our Earth Moon system and they could
orbit the Sun and they could appear to be something
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like an asteroid. But when we look at a trajectory.
We can trace it backwards in time and we see, oh, yeah,
you know, there was a rocket going off around then
around that part of the part of the Earth system.
That yeah, okay, bingo done. But for other cases it's
a lot more difficult. Sometimes like this happened seven years ago.
But we think we found a lunar lunar module and
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a returning lunar module. So we think we found I
don't remember exactly which Apollo it was. It might be
Apollo ten. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was
a lunar module that escaped. It's called snoopy and it
got lost. They were practicing, they were going through the
simulation of how to do the lunar landing, and the
lunar module that's the thing that would land on the Moon,
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broke loose and then it wandered out in the space
and it floated around and orbit with around the Sun. Eventually,
in twenty eighteen it re countered the Earth commuting system
and then got captured again and we picked it up.
We detected it as an asterois, but when we studied
it more, we couldn't backtrace it because space is very
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chaotic and on decade long time scales, you can't accurately
trace back the trajectory to like pair to like of
the Apollo launch. It's just too much time has passed
and too much there's too much chaos. The timescale but
chaos takes over is too quick on those time scales
that it basically obscures the past. But when we were
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studying the object, we noticed there was some peculiar let's say,
visible attributes to it, visual operical attributes to it, to
where we thought, okay, this thing looks like it could
be metal, And we studied we can actually measure the
density of the object based on the visual appearance in
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our images, as well as combining that with or built trajectory,
could actually measure the effect that the sun, the Sun's
radiation pressure has on pushing its trajectory in space. And
from that information, using physics that people learn in high school,
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we can measure the optic's density. And I'll tell you
this rock has a density of about one thousand kilograms
for meter Q. Wow, so a meter is about this big, right,
I'll say that as the meter. So that so that
why that high and that deep? If that was solid rock,
that'd be a thousand kilograms heavy but solid rocket like,
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So we're talking about rocket boosters, lunar modules. They emp
a density much lower than that. We're talking about maybe
ten kilograms from meter q orders of manitude less dense.
So when we were looking, we were studying this thing,
this thing we thought was an asteroid, turns out of
it was probably snoopy. We noticed that it had a
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very very low density. And this is getting into the
discussion of and its physical properties because we I think,
I mean, love we got your credit where predators do.
And other scientists as well asked as okay, is this
you know, is this a non natural object? What are
the physical properties telling us? Is this a natural object
or non natural object? And where we disagree is exactly
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on what the physical properties are and what they actually imply.
And that's you know, that's science, right, that's scientific debate.
If we all thought the same, there would be products
in the world, right, you know. So, I mean my
understanding of the physical properties of and the let's say,
the physical circumstances I think aligned with the being, it
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can have a natural explanation. We don't know all we
don't know all the whise like the deep explanation like
the theoretical the deep theoretical explanation, but empirically as a phenomenon,
I think it aligns with being something of natural origin.
It's a very fascinating natural outdom, and I think that's okay.
(32:10):
We don't have to explain anything. The space is weird,
the universe is a weird place. We don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Everything about these We don't even know one percent about
the gyps, and our lack of knowledge could extend to
the way that asteroids and comets star systems form planets, plantesimals,
and it could be very different from how those processes
occur in our star system.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
And I think we just have to open our eyes
and look out, and we see that. We see the
diversity that there is in space, all the variations, all
of all the different forms that these extrasolar planets take.
They're very unlike our star system, and so I think
it would be naive to expect that these inner objects
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are going to have physical properties similar to what we
see in our star system.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
No.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I think that's a good point, because every time that
we do discover some type of metal or element, even
an asteroid that hits our planet or whatever, it's it's exciting,
and it can change our perspective of the universe. And
(33:27):
I'm gonna call them the Boa three because all has
the three three names put together. But how does it change?
How does it change our relationship every time with the universe?
Every time something like this appears, Because, like you said,
it's been three, I mean that's to just say that
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we've said three that's pretty rare. I don't think people
really realize how rare that is. How does it change
our relationship every time h a distant cousin shows up
in in our universe? How does that change our perspective
and in our relationship with the universe.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Well, I think we have to be thankful, you know.
I think we've got to be grateful and have a
greater appreciation for for the universe, for for nature. Yeah.
I don't want to get into, you know, a sermon here,
you know, I don't want to sermonize you guys. But I,
in my opinion, how it changes my relationships my view
(34:33):
on the universe. So I think it gives me a
greater appreciation, uh, that we're able to that we have
the opportunity to study these bits pieces of other star
systems yea, And I think, uh, you know, I don't
want to scare you guys off or whatever, right, but
the you know, the ancient Egyptians, you know, they had
(34:55):
a reverence and love for the and that was kind
of the basis of their views, their their worldview. And
I think in our modern our modern day society, I
think I think it's becoming harder, uh to do that.
And there's lots of variety of reasons why you know
(35:16):
that that is. But I you know, this is you know,
getting on the the you know, the more softer side
of things, right. But I think when we see these
interstellar objects, this comes from my perspective as an astronomer,
I think it gives us an opportunity to to realize
that the universe, the galaxy is quite a bit varied
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in the forms that things like our star system can take,
and we're having the opportunity to study that, to to
realize that, and it is is such a blessing.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I totally agree. I think the current climate that we're
in when it comes to social media, because our heads
are down most time now because of our phones, that
we don't look up enough, and it is great that
these three objects in interstellar objects are, like you said,
(36:16):
are a blessing because now we're many, not a lot,
not the whole world, but many that are starting to
pay attention to up again. So I think it should
be considered a blessing and exciting Before we get out
of here, I just I want to I want to
hear a little bit more about your background, because I
(36:38):
know when I bring on somebody talks about ghost or
bring on somebody that talks about UFOs, always say, somebody
that's gotten to this industry or this genre has had
an experience. So what was your experience with the universe,
(36:58):
with the sky that it really made you want to
focus and become an astrophysicist. That's pretty that's pretty fascinating.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Well, the ones in summary is that I were very
very short. One sid summary is that I kind of
fell into it by accident. Hey I had uh you know,
that was really That's really it, because but I had
had lucky experiences before that. I originally started out in
my education and wanting to study the small scales of physics,
(37:33):
like the sub atomic particles was at the time, the
big excitement, exciting event physics was the finish construction of
the large hadron collider near Geneva in Switzerland that was
going to provide the most powerful, let's say, highest most
energetic particle collisions to study the effects that these collisions
(37:56):
would have and tearing apart particles at the sub atomic
level and seeing what kind of the sub ectomic particles
there are and what energies that they exist at. But
when I was finishing up school, there was the financial
crisis occurred, and it was very, very difficult to be
able to study anything and have opportunities and study. So
(38:18):
it was where I wound it up was at a
physics program that didn't do the high energy stuff, but
they had a option like kind of like a major
or a minor and the equivalent of it. And when
you go in graduate school to study planets planet what
they call planetary science. And this was kind of my
(38:42):
first real exposure to astronomy. And I was like, well,
that sounds interesting. I'll give that a try. Who doesn't
like plants, Who doesn't like all those beautiful images that
NASA and other association's take the night sky and you know,
of Mars and Jupiter and so on. These are gorgeous thing.
So I'd like to learn more about what goes on
(39:02):
in them. And I completed the coursework, and I didn't
have the opportunity to, let's say, study stay there, stay
at this university and study there. But by doing that,
it led me to my first real astronomical job, which
was at the University of Hawaii working with telescopes on
(39:22):
Maui and the big surveyed and I was looking for
asteroids and comments and so that was kind of my
first real kind of experience. And the reason why I
was able to connect with that was because the person
who hired me had studied high energy physics, what I
wanted to study originally starting out, and I had studied
(39:45):
hyergiy physics a little bit to know kind of the
techniques that were used to modify your observations of these
subotonic particles. And this researcher who hired me, he was
applying those same technic niques, but not to subatomic particles
but to asteroids learn in space. Yeah, And that just
(40:06):
blew my mind and I said, Wow, I have to
work for this guy because I can apply the same
techniques that I thought were so interesting and fascinating about
subatomic particles to studying asteroids as just another type of particle.
They're very big man, right, Yeah, bigger than quarks and leftons,
you know their particles.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Right. Well, that's pretty amazing, and uh, I really appreciate
you taking the time to do this and really diving
deep and explaining this and putting it in terms of
where we can understand it. And I hope people really
enjoyed it. And I know people can go to your
website Bowlinastro dot com. That's right below, and if you're listening,
(40:48):
it's b O L I N A S t r
O dot com and you can check out his website.
Do I'm sure you have an Instagram or maybe not.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
I haven't checked it. Did you have an Instagram?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah? I have an Instagram. I have one that's kind
of a science slash kind of travel. I don't I
don't take it very seriously. But if people want to
reach out to me, that's fine. If they want to
shoot me questions, I'm happy to h to answer them.
I get I get to asked all sorts of questions
all the time, I'm sure, and I'm happy happy to
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discus talk with people about it.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Well, I really appreciate people's interests in this thing. You know, y'all,
y'all are doing a huge help and to carrying the
message forward, getting the message out there. So thank you
so much for having me on here and giving me
an opportunity to talk about things that I'm passionate about.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
I can I can tell, and I appreciate that. I
appreciate your passion. And I didn't put it on screen,
but it is doctor Bryce Bolin and and we he
said just to call him Bryce, So I appreciate you
doing that. But thank you, thank you for being here,
and thank you for doing what you do.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Sure, thanks Tony, and don't hesitate to reach out to me.
If you don't worry follow up questions or need me
to do anything else to help you.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Out, don't worry. You will be a guest again. I promised.
I promised you that I don't threaten me with a
good time. All right, Well, thank you and thank you
everybody for tuning in. I appreciate you. This is another
great episode of a great guest that we've had. And
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if you have other questions, I'm sure there's questions I
didn't ask, you can always reach out to doctor Bryce
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care of yourself and each other. Bye,
Well, today we're going to be diving deep into the
mysteries of our world and beyond. Today we're talking about
one of the most fascinating and controversial discoveries to come
out of the world of space and science. Yes, we're
talking about the Three Eye Atlas. And joining us today
is astrophysicist and researcher Bryce Bullen, a leading voice in
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the study of interstellar objects in the phenomenon that challenges
our understanding of the universe. Bryce has been at the
forefront of the conversation surrounding three I Atlas, what some
believe could be a technological signature or even evidence of
extraterrestrial intelligence. Is it a natural cosmic object, a probe
sent from a distant civilization, or something entirely different. Today
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Bryce helps us cut through the speculation and scientific noise
to uncover the truth behind three I Atlas and what
it could mean for humanity. So buckle up, truth seekers,
It's going to be a mind expanding ride. I'm Tony
sweet with Truth Be Told. Please welcome to the Truth
Be Told Studios. For the first time astrophysicist and researcher
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Bryce Bowling. There is I Love it.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Happy Halloween, Thank you for the intro. It is very nice,
of course, of course.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
And do you go by doctor.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Uh, well, you don't have to call me doctor, just
call me Bryce.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I prefer that if you call you doctor, you have
to send a check, right.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I mean, we're we're discussing science topics here, and that's
kind of we use the doctor title, but I keep
things kind of low key right here.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Well, I love it, and uh for for people out
there listening, Uh, today, we're we're in a new month
of November, and every place I look on is Instagram
and TikTok and even in my world of paranormal and
people are talking about three I at lists And first
(02:10):
of all, can we just dive right in and just
tell what three I atlas is. I mean, we've seen
the pictures, we've heard about it, but we don't really
know what it is.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah. Sure, So three I at liss is the third
That's the reason why I has the name three in I.
It's the third object that is an interstellar Let's see
object of interstellar origin. That's what the eye stands for
in three I. This is an object what we define
as interstellar as something which we know at a very
(02:46):
very high level of competence originated from outside our solar system.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
So we've seen asteroids and comets inside that originated from
inside our solar system go interstellar. But those we know
for sure they encountered they because they encountered Jupiter, or
it had some other kind of event that caused their
orbits to be perturbed to a level where they would
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build interstellar. We know that they originated from inside our
solar system. But the interstellar objects we're talking about one eye,
two I or a saw and now this most recent
one three I Atlas. These are objects that we know
definitively had to have originated outside the solar system. Thus
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we call them the interstellar odds.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
That and I honestly I did. I knew there was
this was the thirds, but I didn't connect the two.
So I'm or the three. So thank you for telling
telling this that. And what of this one, this particular
one three eye atlas? What makes this different from its
(04:00):
interstellar predecessors? Is there anything different at all?
Speaker 2 (04:05):
That's a good question, excellent question, because it appears that
these objects are all quite different from each other. Wow.
And it depends on how you look things and how
you define differences. But the first interstellar object, One Eye Uma,
was very very weird. When we first saw it, we
(04:28):
were like shocked and it was it had an appearance
of like an asteroid. We thought it could be an asteroid,
which was very shocking. It was actually very startling because
we think that the processes that produce these interstellar objects
is more favorable towards producing comet interstellar objects rather than
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an asteroidal interstellar objects. So when One Eye was first discovered,
it had no evidence, no apparently obvious visual evidence that
it was a comet. It appeared to be like a
point source. So when you're looking at a comet in
a nice sky like the one that's in my background
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right here, it is extended, it is resolved. You're actually
seeing the full size of the object in space, is
projecting an area across the sky that is due to
its size. However, when you're looking at these stars like
this one right here, like these other little point sources,
(05:34):
you're not seeing true size that star. It's very very
far away, so its angular size, it's apparent size, is
so small that the laws of physics don't let you
see its true size. We call those unresolved objects, And
it has to do with the fact that if you're
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observing from the ground, we're looking through the atmosphere and
that is smearing the light out where it spreads the
light out at a scale that is much bigger than
the star appears in the actual physical size of the
stars it would appear from your perspective on Earth. And
if you're in space, you still have issues because the
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laws of physics, the laws of diffraction, set a limit
to how small things you can see. And it's a
lot smaller than what you can see from the ground,
but it's still not let's say, good enough resolution for
you to actually see a star in his full size
as his actual physical size in space. So when I
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talk about Mua being not like a comet, that's what
it means. It looks like it looked like a star
point source, an unresolved point source. Whereas the other two
interstellar objects two I Borsov three I at Lias, they
had a cometary appearance. They had a coma you could see,
was fuzzy and it had a tail, like a lot
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of comments we talked about having tails, and so those
it was much easier to see it. Those were comments,
but was a point source, and I was very startling
to us.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
That was very shocking to us now and Borisov and
even at less, how do we determine this is from
a different star? I mean, the space is such, I
mean it's so large, how do you even determine that?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, I mean that that's a good question. And that
was the defining problem for interstellar objects. When we first
saw for the very first interstellar object, we were very
astounded by it because it's properties, it's trajectory and space
seemed very very distinctive in that it could not have
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come from inside the Solar System. So I'll talk a
little bit about another comet, another object called nineteen eighty Bowl.
And nineteen eighty Bowl we saw when we detected it
it was a hyperbolic object. Oh, that it was on
a trajectory that was going to leave the Solar System
and never come back again. Wow. But that particular object,
(08:25):
nineteen eightle Bowl, when we studied its trajectory, we saw
that it passed by Jupiter. And when objects passed by Jupiter,
they go they go by Jupiter, they can get sling
shot out in the interstellar space. So we had we
had an explanation. So Okay, So when I say interstellar,
when I say hyperbolic, what that means is that they
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have a trajectory in space that cannot be described as
a circle or an ellipse. So many many centuries ago,
there was a scientist by the name of Johann Kept.
He's a German guy, and he came up with these
laws of planetary motion. And one of the laws says
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that objects that are orbiting the Sun have a trajectory
that is described as though it's a circle or an
ellipse that is closed. So an ellipse is basically like
an egg like circle. So if I can get done there,
a circle is going to be like that, but an
ellipse is going to be like more more elongated, more
(09:30):
more egg shaped like. And these interstellar objects, or I
say hyperbolic opect I say hyperbolic, its trajectory as it
goes passes by the Sun is not a closed loop.
It's an open loop. And for these interstellar objects, they
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have these hyperbolic trajectories where when we study them, when
we see them, we trace their trajectory through space. We
know that they did not encounter Jupiter or any known
gas giant planet or ice giant planet in our in
our star system, there is Planet nine's possible mystery planet
(10:14):
that is hundreds of a astronomical units. An astronomic unit
is the distance between the Earth and the Sun. So
we're talking about this mystery planet that could be could
be out three hundred times that distance. It could be
out in the outskirts of We haven't detected it yet,
we're not sure if it's there. But even Planet nine
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is in a location to where these interstellar objects couldn't
have encountered it. Wow. So there is no massive body
in our stars, in our in our Solar system that
could have slingshot of these objects. So for Umuama, we
it was basically coming almost straight down like you're imagining
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our in the planets and are making like a target
and we have the bulls eye that is it's not
It almost came straight down like a like it was
trying to hit the bullseye there. And if it were
a comet that encountered some of our planets, it would
have come more in line and plane in the same
orbital plane as all the other plants. But because of
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us coming straight down, we knew there was no way
that it could have encountered one of our planets.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
That's pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I had to had to have come from another star.
There's just no there's just no other way about it.
And it was moving about thirty kilometers a second at
va An at infinity, so it's speed at an infinite
distance from our Sun was extremely fast. And for objects
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that originate from inside our star system, their speed at
the infinity is zero.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
That's pretty awesome. And is this more like the physical
trade that really stands out to you or when it
when it comes to terms of shape and spending, velocity velocity,
Is that kind of what you're talking about, because that's
pretty fascinating to see something that's completely out of the
ordinary when majority of the people that are looking into
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our space. I guess it was also pretty exciting to
see something that's different.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Oh yeah, it was very was very Uh was very startling.
I remember I couldn't believe it when I saw it.
When it was when I saw the data the information,
I thought I had to be a joke. And you
know what, the funny thing that occurred around a halloweena
(12:52):
perfect timing. Yeah, it was very it was very spooky,
and it was Yeah, it was October mid October, and
then when it we're really we're convinced that this was
thing was real, that it was really interstellar, was about following.
So it made things very spooky and uh so at
some point we just had to accept the truth and Okay,
(13:12):
this is the this is the real deal, and we
got we got to studying it because we've had some
false some false alarms, not really so much before, but
in the time after um some people claimed to have
found an interstellar object. And you can have false false
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alarms that are triggered by wrong information about the object,
and it can exaggerate things. It can make it seem interstellar,
but it's not really interstellar. So when it when we
first when we first saw and then after that we
started become more skeptical about it. But so the evidence
had to be very very strong to convince us of.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
The three, uh which one is probably moving the fastest,
and so Atlas is moving the fastest, and.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Oh yeah, is it?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Because I mean again, you hear all kinds of conspiracy theories,
and you hear theories about you know, and we're going
to get into the potential extraterrestrial ship. But the movement
about how it's slightly moving off its course. Can you
set that record straight? Where is it in a straight line?
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Or I mean, I guess unless it hits an object?
But is it Is it heading in the same direction
as it was when it entered our solar system?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yes, so to be of infinity of three i atlas.
So as as speed at an infinite distance from the Sun,
it's about sixty kilometers a second.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, yeah, it's very fast. Yeah, and there's a reason
for that. And it has to do with its galactic orbit.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
What is that for the people that don't know what
galactic orbit is?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Well, so you know how we talked about Johann Kepler,
So his laws of planetary motion, they assume some things
about gravity. Well, actually he didn't really have a theory
of gravity, to be honest. It wasn't until Newton came
along really put the pieces together. Galleo helped as well,
but he just looked at these things from an observational standpoint.
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He didn't know the reason why the plants went around
the sun, but he could see that they went around
the sun, right, and he could describe how they went
around the sun. He didn't have that theoretical explanation. Newton
did that, but Kepler was right. His laws are correct,
and what they say, what they rely on, is an
(15:59):
understanding ofvity that assumes gravity does not is constant with time. However,
when you and that, and that works for astrays and
comments that are orbiting the Sun. However, when you're getting
out very very far away from our Sun, so we're
talking about thousands of au, we're talking about maybe a
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quarter of the distance between us and Alpha Cintari, the
gravity from the galaxy becomes very relevant. And that doesn't
operate like gravity in our star system, our soul system.
And it's not It doesn't mean that the laws of
physics are changing. It's just how the laws of physics
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operate at galactic scales is different. And this is due
to the fact that galaxy, our galaxy is beautiful by
the way it has spiral arms, it has gas clouds,
it has streams of dark matter, and it's massive. And
when all these things combine as because we're floating around
the galaxy, we're not we're not static, so we're we're
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the Earth is orbiting the Sun, but the Sun is
orbiting in the galaxy. And guess what also, orbits the
galaxy these interstellar objects.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Right wow, yeah, good point.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
And and the gravity, the gravity is not constant with
time because as we're orbiting the galaxy as hard as
our Sun is orbiting a galaxy, and as these interstellar
objects are orbiting galaxy, they are encountering dark matter, galactic
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gas clouds, spiral arms. And because these structures inside the
galaxy are so massive, they exert a gravitational tug that
is different that changes with position and time. As well
as our Sun or these or cellar objects orbit the
center of the galaxy, the galaxy is a lot more
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complicated than our It's a lot, there's a lot going
in there.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
It's almost like looking inside of a body. You know,
it's like just the cells inside of a body. It's
it's pretty amazing when you think about it. It's like,
we're just.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I'm glad you said that because I had a similar
thought I I thought I had. I thought the same
thing as well, when I was looking at some galaxies
that they look like cells. They have like a nucleus
and you know, they like and our cells, the nucleus
has like the DNA in it, but then they have
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like the cell itself that surrounds nucleus. But there's also
these organelles like mitochondria, and you got all these wild
little organelles floating around them. But galaxies that they look
like to me, they they kind of look like I
got some in my background field here. No, they do.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I just think they look like little cells that which
is pretty amazing. We're like a sale inside of a
sale inside of a Yeah, it's it's pretty it's pretty great.
And the uh, the technology I'm sure today has helped
a lot of these discoveries because I couldn't imagine fifty
(19:22):
years ago to be able to even to see this
far out. But what what are some of the technologies
did you know of that are currently in development? Because
we all want to kind of see what these are
a little closer. I don't you know, we're not going
to be able to get right next to them, but
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how could we ever have the technology and what technology
could we have to maybe get some samples from material,
not necessarily from these three but other travelers out there.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, as a people were I was talking to a
scientist the other day at the University of Wahi and
he was saying, yeah, we got to get samples from
these interstellar objects. That's that's going to have to be
how we really can understand anythings. But that's really hard.
These things. We have something that's to the infinity of
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sixty kilometers a second when it gets closer. As it
gets closer to the Sun, it accelerates to the Sun's gravity.
It's it's getting faster, right, So you have to have
what is we call it change in velocity. You're going
for the change and velocity of the Earth. Our our
velocity the Earth goes around the Sun. It's like something
(20:41):
like thirty thousand miles an hour, so we're talking about
tens of kilometers a second cash up something that's going
like eighty or one hundred kilometers a second. That is
a huge amount of change in velocity. And you have
to rocket like some kind of propulsion that can accelerate
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from our base velocity here on Earth to catch one
of these things. And not only that, rendezvous is if
you want to collect a sample, you can't just fly
past the object. You can't shoot by it. You have
to accelerate and slow down to where you are orbiting
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that intercellar object. You can get catched, caught by its gravity.
And these things are small. There are hundreds of meters
in size, so the gravity is very weak. We're talking
about the gravitational acceleration is like centimeters per second square.
On planet Earth, we're very lucky that we have eleven
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meters per second square. These objects they're much smaller, much
less mass, So we're talking about centimeters millimeters per second square.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Where's Bruce Willis when we need him?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, well, I mean that was well he was I
mean it wasn't lucky because that was a scary asteroid
in that movie, Right, Texas, I think, right, but you
can have some real gravity. I mean, that's the Moon
is talking about with Wise, It's about the size of
the United States with Wise. So something the size of
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Texas is going to be certainly weaker gravity than but
it's not going to be non existent. But these smaller,
these little things, they're not going to have much gravity.
So it's connecting with them and then excavating and then
capturing material and storing and bringing me back to Earth
is going to be very very challenging. But is that impossible?
You know, man, man kind of a humankind. You know,
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we're we're problem solvers, you know, we can figure things.
I would figure out how to do things when we
said our when we set our minds to it, right,
we have to send our minds to it, and we
have you know, we have to think about saving the
human race, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Yeah, the way we're going, I'm not for sure we will,
but yeah, yeah, so I I know we couldn't even
end this if if we didn't ask a question, because
you know, I've I've been in the paranormal world and
UFO and extraterrestrials, and you know, many, not just a few,
(23:27):
many have speculated this is an interstellar object that could
be artificial, which with scientific standards and or without non
natural non natural.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yes, hypothetically. When you say artificial, that implies human me right, right, right?
But if these things are of non natural origin, I
don't have anything to do with humans, right, true.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I guess that could be extraterrestrial since it's not from
our ours, ours or so, I guess that could be.
But how how do you as a scientist, how do
you how do you separate the two and how do
you explain that to people? Because eventually we may one
day get that object that comes from another galaxy or
(24:19):
another star that is alien based. But how do how
do you separate the two?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
I mean, that's that's the prize. That's like the hope, right,
I mean that you know, let's let's say, hypothetically, was
a non natural object, right, that would make the discovery
the most significant events and probably you know, I want,
like to say human human history rights, right, one of
the most significant events in human history in the last
(24:52):
several hundred years. That would be that would be huge. Right,
that's like the prize, right, that's like the idea. But
I think you know, and this is very interesting because
I asked myself the same question and other areas of
my science. I don't want to bore you guys, but
we have there's a set of interesting objects, objects I
find very fascinating called earth co orbitals, and these are
(25:16):
asteroids which have orbits very similar to the Earth, and
they do all sorts of funny things. They make horseshoes,
they make tadpoles, they make quasi satellites. We call them
mini moons, extra moons of the Earth. But they're just
so small, and we didn't have the technology to detect
these things until like maybe ten years ago, and we're
starting to do that. We're starting to find more of
(25:37):
these things. But there's a question out there is that
could these so called quasi satellites mini moons, could they
be not art I'm going to use the word artificial
here because you know, we know we've put out a
lot of space junk, right, right, that stuff comes from
human origins, right, And it's the same question we have
(25:57):
to ask ourselves when we look at one of these
min moons, is quasi satellites? What is the what are
the properties of the are the properties of something that
is artificial or the properties of something that is natural?
And it's the same question. It is the same question
that we can ask with interstellar objects. Yeah, it's it's controversial, right,
(26:17):
It's a controversial top, right, you know. And I mean
I know Abby low Is. You know, he's gotten a
lot of attention for this, and let's say notoriety as well,
because there's some people in the scientific community who aren't
so happy with the I think it's the attention that
he's gotten in way about he's going about doing it.
I'm personally, I'm thankful that he's giving us a lot
(26:39):
of a lot of press he's getting you know, he's
working really hard on that. I don't agree with everything
he says, right, but you know, I think that you
have to give credit where credit is due, and he
has brought up a lot of awareness to this topic. Now,
where we start to really, let's say, study difference between
(27:02):
objects of non natural origin objects of natural origin is
you have to really examine the properties and what we
know about those properties and how we can tie those
properties to to physical props, to physical processes that are
natural or non natural. And in the topic of Earth
(27:22):
co orbitals, we have to we we are expanding our
tool set, but we actually have a quite limited tool
set of of how to do that. One way to
do it is to study in trajectory of Earth co ordinals.
If you can catch it really early on, you can
sometimes tie it to a rocket launch. Bingo. Done you
(27:43):
you like, because this happens quite a lot. Were launching
probes into different areas of the of the the Solar
system and uh it's these probes are launched by rockets
which have rocket boosters that separate and they go on
trajectories that leave our Earth Moon system and they could
orbit the Sun and they could appear to be something
(28:05):
like an asteroid. But when we look at a trajectory.
We can trace it backwards in time and we see, oh, yeah,
you know, there was a rocket going off around then
around that part of the part of the Earth system.
That yeah, okay, bingo done. But for other cases it's
a lot more difficult. Sometimes like this happened seven years ago.
But we think we found a lunar lunar module and
(28:30):
a returning lunar module. So we think we found I
don't remember exactly which Apollo it was. It might be
Apollo ten. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was
a lunar module that escaped. It's called snoopy and it
got lost. They were practicing, they were going through the
simulation of how to do the lunar landing, and the
lunar module that's the thing that would land on the Moon,
(28:51):
broke loose and then it wandered out in the space
and it floated around and orbit with around the Sun. Eventually,
in twenty eighteen it re countered the Earth commuting system
and then got captured again and we picked it up.
We detected it as an asterois, but when we studied
it more, we couldn't backtrace it because space is very
(29:12):
chaotic and on decade long time scales, you can't accurately
trace back the trajectory to like pair to like of
the Apollo launch. It's just too much time has passed
and too much there's too much chaos. The timescale but
chaos takes over is too quick on those time scales
that it basically obscures the past. But when we were
(29:34):
studying the object, we noticed there was some peculiar let's say,
visible attributes to it, visual operical attributes to it, to
where we thought, okay, this thing looks like it could
be metal, And we studied we can actually measure the
density of the object based on the visual appearance in
(29:56):
our images, as well as combining that with or built trajectory,
could actually measure the effect that the sun, the Sun's
radiation pressure has on pushing its trajectory in space. And
from that information, using physics that people learn in high school,
(30:16):
we can measure the optic's density. And I'll tell you
this rock has a density of about one thousand kilograms
for meter Q. Wow, so a meter is about this big, right,
I'll say that as the meter. So that so that
why that high and that deep? If that was solid rock,
that'd be a thousand kilograms heavy but solid rocket like,
(30:41):
So we're talking about rocket boosters, lunar modules. They emp
a density much lower than that. We're talking about maybe
ten kilograms from meter q orders of manitude less dense.
So when we were looking, we were studying this thing,
this thing we thought was an asteroid, turns out of
it was probably snoopy. We noticed that it had a
(31:03):
very very low density. And this is getting into the
discussion of and its physical properties because we I think,
I mean, love we got your credit where predators do.
And other scientists as well asked as okay, is this
you know, is this a non natural object? What are
the physical properties telling us? Is this a natural object
or non natural object? And where we disagree is exactly
(31:25):
on what the physical properties are and what they actually imply.
And that's you know, that's science, right, that's scientific debate.
If we all thought the same, there would be products
in the world, right, you know. So, I mean my
understanding of the physical properties of and the let's say,
the physical circumstances I think aligned with the being, it
(31:45):
can have a natural explanation. We don't know all we
don't know all the whise like the deep explanation like
the theoretical the deep theoretical explanation, but empirically as a phenomenon,
I think it aligns with being something of natural origin.
It's a very fascinating natural outdom, and I think that's okay.
(32:10):
We don't have to explain anything. The space is weird,
the universe is a weird place. We don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Everything about these We don't even know one percent about
the gyps, and our lack of knowledge could extend to
the way that asteroids and comets star systems form planets, plantesimals,
and it could be very different from how those processes
occur in our star system.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
And I think we just have to open our eyes
and look out, and we see that. We see the
diversity that there is in space, all the variations, all
of all the different forms that these extrasolar planets take.
They're very unlike our star system, and so I think
it would be naive to expect that these inner objects
(33:00):
are going to have physical properties similar to what we
see in our star system.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
No.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I think that's a good point, because every time that
we do discover some type of metal or element, even
an asteroid that hits our planet or whatever, it's it's exciting,
and it can change our perspective of the universe. And
(33:27):
I'm gonna call them the Boa three because all has
the three three names put together. But how does it change?
How does it change our relationship every time with the universe?
Every time something like this appears, Because, like you said,
it's been three, I mean that's to just say that
(33:49):
we've said three that's pretty rare. I don't think people
really realize how rare that is. How does it change
our relationship every time h a distant cousin shows up
in in our universe? How does that change our perspective
and in our relationship with the universe.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Well, I think we have to be thankful, you know.
I think we've got to be grateful and have a
greater appreciation for for the universe, for for nature. Yeah.
I don't want to get into, you know, a sermon here,
you know, I don't want to sermonize you guys. But I,
in my opinion, how it changes my relationships my view
(34:33):
on the universe. So I think it gives me a
greater appreciation, uh, that we're able to that we have
the opportunity to study these bits pieces of other star
systems yea, And I think, uh, you know, I don't
want to scare you guys off or whatever, right, but
the you know, the ancient Egyptians, you know, they had
(34:55):
a reverence and love for the and that was kind
of the basis of their views, their their worldview. And
I think in our modern our modern day society, I
think I think it's becoming harder, uh to do that.
And there's lots of variety of reasons why you know
(35:16):
that that is. But I you know, this is you know,
getting on the the you know, the more softer side
of things, right. But I think when we see these
interstellar objects, this comes from my perspective as an astronomer,
I think it gives us an opportunity to to realize
that the universe, the galaxy is quite a bit varied
(35:39):
in the forms that things like our star system can take,
and we're having the opportunity to study that, to to
realize that, and it is is such a blessing.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I totally agree. I think the current climate that we're
in when it comes to social media, because our heads
are down most time now because of our phones, that
we don't look up enough, and it is great that
these three objects in interstellar objects are, like you said,
(36:16):
are a blessing because now we're many, not a lot,
not the whole world, but many that are starting to
pay attention to up again. So I think it should
be considered a blessing and exciting Before we get out
of here, I just I want to I want to
hear a little bit more about your background, because I
(36:38):
know when I bring on somebody talks about ghost or
bring on somebody that talks about UFOs, always say, somebody
that's gotten to this industry or this genre has had
an experience. So what was your experience with the universe,
(36:58):
with the sky that it really made you want to
focus and become an astrophysicist. That's pretty that's pretty fascinating.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Well, the ones in summary is that I were very
very short. One sid summary is that I kind of
fell into it by accident. Hey I had uh you know,
that was really That's really it, because but I had
had lucky experiences before that. I originally started out in
my education and wanting to study the small scales of physics,
(37:33):
like the sub atomic particles was at the time, the
big excitement, exciting event physics was the finish construction of
the large hadron collider near Geneva in Switzerland that was
going to provide the most powerful, let's say, highest most
energetic particle collisions to study the effects that these collisions
(37:56):
would have and tearing apart particles at the sub atomic
level and seeing what kind of the sub ectomic particles
there are and what energies that they exist at. But
when I was finishing up school, there was the financial
crisis occurred, and it was very, very difficult to be
able to study anything and have opportunities and study. So
(38:18):
it was where I wound it up was at a
physics program that didn't do the high energy stuff, but
they had a option like kind of like a major
or a minor and the equivalent of it. And when
you go in graduate school to study planets planet what
they call planetary science. And this was kind of my
(38:42):
first real exposure to astronomy. And I was like, well,
that sounds interesting. I'll give that a try. Who doesn't
like plants, Who doesn't like all those beautiful images that
NASA and other association's take the night sky and you know,
of Mars and Jupiter and so on. These are gorgeous thing.
So I'd like to learn more about what goes on
(39:02):
in them. And I completed the coursework, and I didn't
have the opportunity to, let's say, study stay there, stay
at this university and study there. But by doing that,
it led me to my first real astronomical job, which
was at the University of Hawaii working with telescopes on
(39:22):
Maui and the big surveyed and I was looking for
asteroids and comments and so that was kind of my
first real kind of experience. And the reason why I
was able to connect with that was because the person
who hired me had studied high energy physics, what I
wanted to study originally starting out, and I had studied
(39:45):
hyergiy physics a little bit to know kind of the
techniques that were used to modify your observations of these
subotonic particles. And this researcher who hired me, he was
applying those same technic niques, but not to subatomic particles
but to asteroids learn in space. Yeah, And that just
(40:06):
blew my mind and I said, Wow, I have to
work for this guy because I can apply the same
techniques that I thought were so interesting and fascinating about
subatomic particles to studying asteroids as just another type of particle.
They're very big man, right, Yeah, bigger than quarks and leftons,
you know their particles.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Right. Well, that's pretty amazing, and uh, I really appreciate
you taking the time to do this and really diving
deep and explaining this and putting it in terms of
where we can understand it. And I hope people really
enjoyed it. And I know people can go to your
website Bowlinastro dot com. That's right below, and if you're listening,
(40:48):
it's b O L I N A S t r
O dot com and you can check out his website.
Do I'm sure you have an Instagram or maybe not.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
I haven't checked it. Did you have an Instagram?
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah? I have an Instagram. I have one that's kind
of a science slash kind of travel. I don't I
don't take it very seriously. But if people want to
reach out to me, that's fine. If they want to
shoot me questions, I'm happy to h to answer them.
I get I get to asked all sorts of questions
all the time, I'm sure, and I'm happy happy to
(41:23):
discus talk with people about it.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Well, I really appreciate people's interests in this thing. You know, y'all,
y'all are doing a huge help and to carrying the
message forward, getting the message out there. So thank you
so much for having me on here and giving me
an opportunity to talk about things that I'm passionate about.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
I can I can tell, and I appreciate that. I
appreciate your passion. And I didn't put it on screen,
but it is doctor Bryce Bolin and and we he
said just to call him Bryce, So I appreciate you
doing that. But thank you, thank you for being here,
and thank you for doing what you do.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Sure, thanks Tony, and don't hesitate to reach out to me.
If you don't worry follow up questions or need me
to do anything else to help you.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Out, don't worry. You will be a guest again. I promised.
I promised you that I don't threaten me with a
good time. All right, Well, thank you and thank you
everybody for tuning in. I appreciate you. This is another
great episode of a great guest that we've had. And
(42:30):
if you have other questions, I'm sure there's questions I
didn't ask, you can always reach out to doctor Bryce
and I'm sure he'll reach right back out and answer
those for you. But again every Friday right here on
the Club Paranormal Network on YouTube. Please like, subscribe, leave comments,
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