August 15, 2025 • 38 mins
In this episode of Truth Be Told, host Tony Sweet sits down with world-renowned geologist Prof. Dr. Danny Hilman Natawidjaja to explore one of the most intriguing archaeological discoveries of our time—Gunung Padang, a megalithic site in West Java, Indonesia. Could this ancient structure be older than the Great Pyramid of Egypt? Dr. Natawidjaja shares groundbreaking research, excavation findings, and dating evidence that challenge conventional timelines of human civilization. From mysterious stone terraces to advanced construction techniques thousands of years ahead of their time, this conversation uncovers the secrets that could rewrite our understanding of ancient history.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Could there be a pyramid older than the Great Pyramid
of Egypt. Today we journey deep into the heart of
Indonesia to explore a discovery that could rewrite human history.
Our guest is Professor Doctor Danny Hillman, Natawiyaja, senior geologist, researcher,
and the lead scientists behind the groundbreaking studies of Kanoon Padang,
(00:22):
a mysterious mythological site in West Java, with evidence suggesting
this ancient structure could be more than twenty thousand years old,
predating even the Great Pyramid of Giza. Doctor Natawi Jawa
work challenges what we thought we knew about the dawn
of civilization. His research using cutting edge technology, from groundbreaking
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penetrating radar to advance dating techniques revealing hidden layers, complex
construction and the story that may stretch back to a
forgotten chapter of humanity's past. We'll get ready for a
fascinating conversation about science, controversy, and the endure during mystery
of one of the world's oldest monuments. I'm tony sweet
(01:04):
with Truth Be Told. Please welcome to the Truth Be
Told Studios for the first time, Professor Doctor Danny Hillman,
Notatawei Jawa well, hello, hello, thank you so much for
zooming all the way in from across the world. I
appreciate it. Yeah, so can you tell me where exactly
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do you live?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I live in Bandung Bandum is the capital city of
West Java in Indonesia. Nice and by a coupletas from Takata. Nice.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Nice, I love it. And well, you know a lot
of people that has tuned in today and has tuned
into my show, we've you know, majority of the time
we talk a lot about Egypt, the Mayan temples. We
don't really talk much about Indonesia and to the Asian tries,
which which is very surprising because they have so many
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pyramids and temples that are quite quite old. And so
for our listeners new to the site, how did you
how would you describe ching? Is it channing Padang Padana
and yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
And why is it considered so extraordinary in the archaeological world.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, I think the main the major discovery is the
age of that substruction. So it's an advanced structus means
like it's not a primitive structus. It is quite big,
is like twenty to thirty meters thick of the man
made layer construction of stones columnar joint stones and the
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age of the oldest layer it's more than sixteen thousand
years ago. I think that wow, is the most controversial
one because I mean, the pyramids susage is everywhere, but
the age like right now is the oldest, I would.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Say, So, you know, I know that it's it's very
controversial because even in Egypt, when people say the Great Pyramid,
you know, is up to twenty twenty five thousand years old,
people instantly say they're wrong, you know, they're So there's
a lot of controversy around the date that you're saying.
(03:36):
So why is it so controversial?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I wouldn't call it the scientific controversi because the controversi
is just in mass media. But if you as as
you as people, what is the actually dispute of that?
What did the scientific dispute? People said, I don't know,
I just heard the mass media. This is some controversia
from these people and that people. But that's the what
(04:06):
I call it. So so yeah, So we have a
research we have I think maybe like we are the
only groups that really doing like a very comprehensive research indang,
and we have published it. It's retracted. I know, it's
a controversy also, but nobody else did the same. There
(04:28):
is no publication that like could be like, uh, you know,
controversy our findings, so the scientific control you should be
the scientific finding controvers with the other findings. But I'm
the only one and we have lots of evidence and
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has been described in our papers in our seminas. But
the other opinion that against us never really state what,
you know, what the evidence that backed up their opinion
or there's no publication also, so yeah, it's just an opinion.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So what first drew you to this site? And when
did you first realize because I'm sure when you've heard
about the site, you you went to visit the site, Yeah,
and you've heard other people's theories and other people's thoughts
on the site. When did you realize that it was
(05:30):
far older than what people were saying?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, in two thousand and eleven before we uh we
said it is like really unheard, not many people knows
it and just I'm not this right right, and I'm
not I know this. I'm an earth gak geologist. Earth
great theologists has to be like very good in observing
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the landscape right morphology. Because the earthquake theology has to
map the active faults and it's based on the morphological evidence.
So in the geomorphologies has to know it's like details
of the landscape connected to the process, the geological process.
So if there is an anomally in morphology, we should
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know it. So that's how we we find Gurung Padan.
So in two ten eleven, I have a research I
do mapping on one of the major active faults in
Indonesia in West Japa. It's got demanded ePol and that
active fault the earthquake fole, it just runs through near
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Gurung Padan. So I have a higher resolution topography data
that area the digital DM DTM also, so I noticed
the landscape anomaly. The topography of the gurden Patan is
like different from the surrounding topography, very like stand out right.
So that's the first time I noticed that. And then
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I know that on top of that, on that hill
there is a negotic site, so it is interesting. So
so I just came to the heels and I found
it interesting. And at that time I also bring with
me like a grandparenting rada, the geophysical acumen. So so
at the first I just I just try it and
the result is like I think it's something feculiar about this,
(07:29):
this underground factors.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
That's how we start, for us people that are not
a geologist, and for people that really don't understand how
you determine an age of a site or age of
you know, because if I went personally, if I went
to Egypt and go, oh it's old, but I would
(07:51):
never even know where to start on how to determine
the age. How do you how do you determine an
age on something like this?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah? Yeah, But before I I answer that, I think
the first thing that people have to understand is the
physical evidence the structors the stones, so that the piles
of the stones behind you and the background of yours
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not like not single of them is a natural information.
All of the rocks here is a man made struct.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, they don't look just naturally.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Even when you are not geologists. You should know it
because it has been out up and the you know,
the geometry of the siet is there's nothing natural about it.
It's amendment like this one. Also, how could people say
it natural? A formation this is the one that you're
showing here. It is really really dispute. That's a real dispute.
(08:55):
So like a couple researchers in rear in An, we
said the archaeologist, I think this is a natural formation.
They think that wow, yeah, which is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I mean really that'd be like going to Easter Island
and saying that was natural formation.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
So that's really a major point. If people accept that
as the main mastuctort, that will you know, the controversies
would not the exist. And now the carbon dating, the
carbonating that we use is a common method, that's carbon dating.
I mean this is my like my everyday life. As
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part of sismologises and earthquake geologists, you always date the
layers that's connected to the earthquake by the carbon dating
the carbons. So we date the layers based on the
remnant of the living stuff by organisms and roots and
stuff on that layers. So we take the samples in Padang.
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What we took is the the soil that contain the
carbons on the rock structures and also like one sactoral layers,
it has a foundation that has gratefully sandy soils which
also has a carbon content on it. So that's what
(10:17):
we took and we date. Ah. So if you like,
uh see this this this good. Now this couldn't. The
youngest layer is like three to four thousand years old,
and after it's constructed, it has been abandoned. As you
see here, there's lots of trees here, there's lots of glasses.
(10:40):
Right before we we open the side. Uh, the mound
is just full of trees, like a big trees. So
so so this uh, this natural process, it has happened
uh several times. So so in simple the the core
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of the hills is the natural rock formation, the massive
lava and the side and then it's covered by the
first layer. We call it the Unit three. That's the
age is like sixteen thousand to twenty seven thousands. But
after the construction it's abandoned for thousands of years. So
in that period it should be lost of three. It's
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a lots of grasses, all the things that giving the
leafs the carbons on it. And later on in the
next period in about like eight thousand years ago, after
it's abandoned so long, then people constructed the new layers
(11:44):
that you need too. Yeah, but then after that it's
abandoned again. That means the trees and brasses is like
we cover the sides again. So that's how all that
carbon carbons leak left on the suctus. So that's how
we did the layers.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I know in Macha Peci, I've I've heard this before
where a lot of the rock structures were not even
rock from that area and it's from a different location.
It's like even the Pyramids of Egypt, you know, more
than likely they didn't bring that rock from local. They
said it was is does this rock match the rock
(12:29):
layers around that area or is or is this a
different rock? No?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
No, the colub rocks, it's not on this area. So
oh wow, there's no rocks in the deep and also
there's no calros in the surrounding area.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Wow. And they said it was natural formation, Yeah right, yeah, No.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It's been from from uh from outside, Yeah, the similar
like fifty kilometas away. But we still don't know whether
it's the same roles that they use for gang. So
so we still don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Has there has there been people that were skeptical, you know,
other archaeologists skeptical that you actually changed their mind once
you brought them there, or they did their own research
and they finally agree with you, or at least agree
on some things.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That's the beauty of it. Every archaeologist that I bring
to go Balan is never really good. So they understand,
you know, they agree with me, so.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Well, that's good. I mean, that's good because this location,
like we both agree that you know, a lot of
people didn't even know about this and location and have
your are you finding other sites similar to this in
the area or is this one kind of a one
of a kind for this particular area.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
There is not the pyramids near this area like uh
like CISTI kilometers away, but the wraths difference other different
that yeah, and that pyramid is hasn't explored yet. So
even myself hasn't been going there because it's so remote,
like it needs a day to go there by you know,
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a few prometals walk also, so it's not easy to
to get to the site. There are lots of sides
in and said that has not been explored yet.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
That I that's what I love about our world that
even though you know, we've been doing archaeological research for
hundreds and hundreds of years, that we're still constantly finding
new discoveries. And I love that about uh, this field
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and in many people. I think that if you're dating
is correct. What does this say about out the capability
of humans or perhaps unknown cultures during that time period.
Do we know who these people were, because like in
(15:11):
Egypt and certain that there's tombs or burial grounds, have
you found anything like that or do we know that
the people that lived here or even lived around that area.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
No, No, they still have no idea really scientifically. Yeah,
but they're capable. I mean the looking at the rock Satas,
it's just like it's a pyramids. Uh. They have to
have like messenger skills, high messagery skills to such as.
(15:46):
Because they also are chambers, big chambers inside it. It's
a tunnel.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
So you said there are chambers cambers, Yeah, have you
have you dug into these chambers yet?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
No? Not yet. We We have a borhole borhole and
it goes into one of the chambers and lows lots
of waters on it, like thirty thousand liters water just
pouring into the ground. So we know there's a void
(16:21):
in that. And we we have a very good scanning
of geophysics using the RIGHTISTVT the seismic tomography that I
think it sold the chambers very clearly. But we haven't
really get into that and luckily as starting next month,
(16:43):
the new research will begin because the government is planning
to what you call it restore the sites. So we
really have to know about the site because even you
want real it called suck the side. So we plan
to have a drilling this time, like a big drill
goes through the chambers, uh to that chambers. And also
(17:06):
we'll have lots of excavations next month hopefully.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
That is exciting. That is very exciting. And I was
going to ask you about that. How the government, you know,
archaeologists in their skepticism, but how did the government. It
sounds like they're on board now to least do more research.
But how long did it take to get the government
involved in their support?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, I think I think thanks to the new Minister
of Culture of Indonesia. He's very open mind. So if
on the Senior Archaeology is still resisting to continue research,
but he said, no, no way, we have to continue
research to make it clear. So so he just decided
to you know, conduct the real research and restoration. It's good.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
No, that that is good. So are they helping fund
your research?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah? For the next month program, it's funded by the
government and the Chief of the the they call it
the restoration, not the research, but restoration. We restore the
restore the sites. But before restoration, it has to conduct
research first, right investigation. And the archaeologists who lead the
(18:30):
research is alij Akbar, doctor Aljakbar, and he's on my team.
He's one of the author of the of the paper,
so it's got a good onion, so he will lead there.
That's the escapation.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I love to hear that. And but when you say restore,
how do you know what to restore? Because a lot
of times, you know, I know when I went to
Mexico and we went to some of the sites down there,
they showed what the pyramids looked like before, and you like, well,
they definitely did a lot of work to restore it.
But how do you know what to restore for this site?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
That's right before we we restore anything, we have to
know what we're going to restore. So I think it's
different Indan, you know what, see here is a rock
Trrassis on top of the hills, but the rock Tarasis
is probably going downhill, but it has been destroyed because
(19:29):
people use clothes for agriculture, you know, and also the
loss of trees grows on it, so we can restore that.
We can restore the youngest layer. And the second thing
that we can do in Padang is made like excavation.
Dig to show people the other layers, you need two,
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you need three. So so the restoration mean here is
like making the exhibition of the site. I think that's
I think my idea how to make the better or
people to have fun and learn something.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Is are has this open doors for people tourism of
people wanting to come see this, And it sounds like
is this pretty remote? Is it a pretty remote location? No?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
No, no, no, it's it's very easy to from Jakata.
Is like the hours the news down is like one hour.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Okay, so it's not it's not like deep deep where
you can't it's hard to reach. Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Next month when we conduct research like for restoration, people
can come also to see the words.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
So I definitely am going to have to I've never
been to Egypt. I need to go see this. But
this this is also very exciting too. I think it's
I'm going to show this picture for people that are
not watching, there might be listening, but if people look
right in the center, it looks like a walkway and
then two pillars to walk through. It almost looks like
(21:01):
a doorway. Is that what you feel like? That's that
is a like a doorway, like a pathway.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
To the top. In the surface, people make these standing rocks. Yeah,
like forming the spaces. Yeah or yeah, yeah, so that
is unit to one. This is the youngest slider. Oh yeah,
but you see the walls behind it. Yes, that is
(21:29):
you need too, not the same age that is you
need too and that you need to. It goes down
beneath the grass. The grass and soil is very thin,
it's like ten to fifteen centimeter, but beneath it is
a solid rock. It's a it's you need to.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So do you think like the Great Pyramid, it wasn't
built in a year. It seems like they continue to
build on it. Is that correct? Yeah, like you think
twenty six Do you think it took five hundred years
to make or or complete? Or what's your theory on
the completion of this or do you have you gotten
(22:10):
that far yet?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
No? I it depends on the assumption how good they are, right, right,
of course, if they only have a simple toast, then
it'll need lots of time. I don't know how many years,
tens of years. But if they're like as good as us,
maybe faster, yeah yeah, if they are better than us,
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then much faster.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, well definitely. It's some people have thought about the technology,
just like the Great Pyramid. It's like it was hard
to believe to build this structure with just hands and
you know, wood tools. What is your theory on the
technology that they use, because that would take a lot
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of work, a lot of people to build a site
like this and to create these pillars. That's a lot
of chiseling.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, I think lots of people. Is still what's that like?
Close our eyes to the evidence, yeah, I mean we
sold the evidence everywhere. The megalith, yes about it, the
Pyramid in Egypt, the pyramids in Maya, lots of great
megalists that we like, wonder how the hell they made it,
(23:35):
how the hell they like bring the stone that like
a thousand pounds? Yeah, pch you Yeah. So I mean
that all the evidence show really clearly that the engine
has a technology. It's like perhaps as good as us
(23:55):
or even better, because even even us now I know
how to make a pyramids like that, and you know
in Indonesia in Central Slavasi. The loss of a megaris
also it's like Easter Island, but it's made from granite
and it has also a jars like a big jazz
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made by granite, like a cylinder jazz, and it's like
a perfect cylinders and they make a hole in the
center of it, like a perfect purple circle like that.
It's a granite and the diameters there are three meters.
And I'm the audist. I you know, I know that
rock is very hard and it's very very difficult to
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add that. So it's impossible if they don't have things
like a lasser of the of the diamonds with the
chains like us now, it's almost impossible to make that artipat.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
So can you for people that again that are watching
and for the people that are listening, I'm going to
show a picture and what it is. It's a it's
a bunch of these like pillars. It's pillar shaped. Can
you tell me how tall that pillar is, because you know,
I could say, oh, that's maybe two.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Feet, Yeah, it's not that tall. I think it's about one.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Meter so three three feet around three feet. But still
that's that's a lot of work. That's a lot of
work to create these pillars.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah and yeah, the unit one is not that advanced,
but it's still lots of works because one of the
pillars could wait like a couple of hundred kow's lots of.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Them, and wow, that's amazing. And so for some believers,
Penang have been served as more like a megalithic site,
possibly a sacred place, or even an ancient technology technological structure.
But based on your evidence, what is your perspective that
(26:03):
you feel that this site was.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Okay? So it's the fact that has been built, abandoned,
built abandoned, built, built abandoned like three times at least.
So that means the engine knows the ancine thing that
this is very important site. There's something something very important
(26:29):
inside it, and I just suspect that things that is
very important. They make it the very most valuables as
no chamber. It's a big chamber inside it, So I
think that's the secret Badan. I don't know what's in it,
but I think it's very very They it's very worth
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and they think it's very very important. So that's how
that's why they keep building it over and over again
for one thousands and thousands of years and for now,
for the present time, local people and many people from
from all regions think that is like a second place.
(27:11):
They they do playing here, the meditation and stuff, and
they think has like a good five praise and frequency
something like that.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
So I know you're you know, a scientist or professor,
and I'm gonna just throw it out there because this
is truth be told. And we talk a lot about
UFOs and paranormal and all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, it's also spirit well it is.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Is there a lot of UFO sightings in that area?
And do you feel that there might be a connection.
Like I said, you don't have to go there because
I know some people I don't want to touch that subject.
But you know a lot of people think that these
technologies in Egypt and go back to Tepe and all
(27:58):
that stuff or helped by a superior being. What is
your thoughts on that and is there a lot of
UFO sightings in that area.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I never heard about up sighting in this area, but
in my hometown there's some sighting, So I don't know
about that. But in my perspective, I believe in UFO
in aliens, but I have my perspective maybe different from others.
Different terms, but and I know they are very very smart. Yeah,
(28:33):
even in the religious books. Actually it's connected. They're talking
about vufo also aliens. But the thing is, yeah, yeah,
it's just different term, different term what what other people
call alien in the in the Turan, in the Bible,
in the toilet, different term, but it's the same, I
(28:55):
would say, yeah, I think. But the thing is even
they are very clear. But human being is very clever too.
It's it's not it's not less than them.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
So is is there like a row like the Sudanese
legends in oral histories play in interpreting the site.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Oh, people, most of the people here relate the sights
to the history that they know. So the the king
of the ancient Sudan is the it's called the bang
the king of Siliwangi, so they always relate to that king.
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And also there's a local a local legend also related
to to some ancient kingdom stuff, but nothing very clear
about that.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, I'm always curious on to local legends to see
how people feel about it. When you said twenty ten,
twenty eleven, well now it's too going into twenty twenty six,
technology definitely has changed. How has these technologies, you know, changing,
(30:21):
helped with your research?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, in terms of technology for scanning your physical it's
not that much change. I mean resolution, maybe it's getting better,
but not not much. I mean the seismic tomography is
still not that different from ten years ago. Really, I
(30:45):
says to be the method also, it's not that different.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
So yeah, I'm surprised in that now.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, I'm surprised. Are you asking that question? It kind
of stuck me because it's not that different.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, cars have changed, phones have changed, computers have changed, but.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
That's new methods definitely, but no, it's not that much.
It's not like breakthrough.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Well, before we wind down, I do want to ask
about you knowing, is if this is truly one of
the world's oldest pyramid or melithic structures, what does this
mean for your understanding of human civilization timeline? Because this
can change history.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Oh yeah, I would say that. I mean, I mean
for me it's obvious. I don't know for other people,
but I'm geologists. I know Homo sapien has been living
for three hundred thousands and Nandotha is living for if
an order four hundred thousand years ago, and the history
(31:58):
we know is eleven thousand. Yeah, right, since the beginning
of the griculture for our our civilization. Right, And do
you really think from boy said more than three hundred
thousand years there's nothing happened, No purpleicent grows, no cultures grows,
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and only the human being, like I mean, the homozap
years two hundred thousand years ago, it's just like us.
There's no change in brain in the physical it's just
like us. So I think they're as cracker as us.
I would say, physically it's the same. Yeah. So, and
also our religion also told us that we are not
(32:41):
the civilization. No, no, to run bibles, I would say
that our civilization is from is after the flood, the
Great Flood, Yeah, before that. That is the lot of civilizations,
Oh for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It it baffles me when I hear and you know,
I'm not getting to the religion, especially like Christianity. They
you know, they say that you know, there were no
dinosaurs and it's only a few thousand years old, and
you know, I'm like, there's so much evidence around the
world to dispute that.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
But yeah, yeah, it's is exactually it's just like I
think it's the beginning that we like. Sooner or later
we're going to accept that there's a lot of civilization.
I mean alone, it's it's already checking the formation of
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the established bleep because the go is eleven thousand and
six hundred, and our civiliss begins eleven thousand, So it's
six hundred before our civilization started, and now is even
like older. And as you know, I mean, the good
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is not our only discoveries. There's other things that even bigger.
This year we will start a last expedition, not just
be Down, but many other sites, including the site is
underwater in Javasi. Yeah, we discovered the harbor, the engine
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harbor sixty that wow.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
When was this discovery?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Oh, I discovered is a long time ago. It's like
thirteen thirteen, thirteen years ago, but I kept it secret
for so long for ten years. But now I think
it's the time I will well. I spoke to people
trying to get some fun to explore deeply, but I
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couldn't get it. But until now there are people who
he will found our exploration, So I think we're gonna
bring it. It's very good, it's very clear Hubbor, Big
Hubbor six kilometers long, White Wow, sixteen meters below the
sea level. And it's not just only one. There's also
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a dumb and a bridge also underwater.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
I can't wait to We're gonna have to have you
back one of these days once you start getting down
there and hear more about it. This is, like I said,
I'm a little jealous that you get to do these
amazing things and discoveries. I wish I was to fly
on the wall, to be a part of it. That
it just sounds amazing. And so that actually leads me
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to my really last question is what's next in your research?
But you answered that and and what discoveries that you
hope to make, And it sounds like you constantly are
finding new areas to focus on and I appreciate that.
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So how do people go ahead? I'm sorry?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
So my my next projects for the next year, we
will continue the good Patang as we said next month,
and then we'll continue our research the new discovery the
pyramids in Toba Lake also and on that central solos
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where we have fast megalids from the granites. This year
we will conduct radiometic date, but not using carbon dating,
but using cosmogenic dating. We have a collaboration with our
college from France, from the universities to conduct we set together. Yeah,
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that's it, will we'll have a big project.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I love how he said that. Yeah, you're like that's it. No,
there you you you definitely doing a lot and we,
like I said, I appreciate you, and I know my
audience is appreciate you. How do people follow your work?
I know you don't you're not you say you're not
a big presence on social media, But how do people
follow your work to find out more information about your discoveries?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah, I have to know. I'm just writing my activities
on the Facebook very little. But after this, I'm now
forming the new organization for this project. We call it
the Sundalandya Discovery Project. So this project will have a website.
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So after the website form, I think it's gonna be
lots of information on it.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Well, I'm gonna try this again, Professor doctor Danny Hillman
natawe Jaya. Is that right? I got it? But thank
you so much for being here. I I really want
you to come back. I'm going to keep in touch
and find out more information what your discoveries that the
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your harbor and other discoveries that you're making in the future.
So thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Thank you all.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Right, thank you everybody for being here. We appreciate you.
Please follow Professor Danny, professor doctor Danny, excuse me, and
follow his work. I mean, this is new discoveries that
some of us never even heard about, and we appreciate
people like him to go out and do the work
and bring us this information of our lost world, our
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lost discoveries. So I'm Tony, sweet with truth be told.
Until next time, I'll see you next Friday right here
on the Club Paranormal Network. Bye.
Could there be a pyramid older than the Great Pyramid
of Egypt. Today we journey deep into the heart of
Indonesia to explore a discovery that could rewrite human history.
Our guest is Professor Doctor Danny Hillman, Natawiyaja, senior geologist, researcher,
and the lead scientists behind the groundbreaking studies of Kanoon Padang,
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a mysterious mythological site in West Java, with evidence suggesting
this ancient structure could be more than twenty thousand years old,
predating even the Great Pyramid of Giza. Doctor Natawi Jawa
work challenges what we thought we knew about the dawn
of civilization. His research using cutting edge technology, from groundbreaking
(00:43):
penetrating radar to advance dating techniques revealing hidden layers, complex
construction and the story that may stretch back to a
forgotten chapter of humanity's past. We'll get ready for a
fascinating conversation about science, controversy, and the endure during mystery
of one of the world's oldest monuments. I'm tony sweet
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with Truth Be Told. Please welcome to the Truth Be
Told Studios for the first time, Professor Doctor Danny Hillman,
Notatawei Jawa well, hello, hello, thank you so much for
zooming all the way in from across the world. I
appreciate it. Yeah, so can you tell me where exactly
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do you live?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I live in Bandung Bandum is the capital city of
West Java in Indonesia. Nice and by a coupletas from Takata. Nice.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Nice, I love it. And well, you know a lot
of people that has tuned in today and has tuned
into my show, we've you know, majority of the time
we talk a lot about Egypt, the Mayan temples. We
don't really talk much about Indonesia and to the Asian tries,
which which is very surprising because they have so many
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pyramids and temples that are quite quite old. And so
for our listeners new to the site, how did you
how would you describe ching? Is it channing Padang Padana
and yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:26):
And why is it considered so extraordinary in the archaeological world.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, I think the main the major discovery is the
age of that substruction. So it's an advanced structus means
like it's not a primitive structus. It is quite big,
is like twenty to thirty meters thick of the man
made layer construction of stones columnar joint stones and the
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age of the oldest layer it's more than sixteen thousand
years ago. I think that wow, is the most controversial
one because I mean, the pyramids susage is everywhere, but
the age like right now is the oldest, I would.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Say, So, you know, I know that it's it's very
controversial because even in Egypt, when people say the Great Pyramid,
you know, is up to twenty twenty five thousand years old,
people instantly say they're wrong, you know, they're So there's
a lot of controversy around the date that you're saying.
(03:36):
So why is it so controversial?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I wouldn't call it the scientific controversi because the controversi
is just in mass media. But if you as as
you as people, what is the actually dispute of that?
What did the scientific dispute? People said, I don't know,
I just heard the mass media. This is some controversia
from these people and that people. But that's the what
(04:06):
I call it. So so yeah, So we have a
research we have I think maybe like we are the
only groups that really doing like a very comprehensive research indang,
and we have published it. It's retracted. I know, it's
a controversy also, but nobody else did the same. There
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is no publication that like could be like, uh, you know,
controversy our findings, so the scientific control you should be
the scientific finding controvers with the other findings. But I'm
the only one and we have lots of evidence and
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has been described in our papers in our seminas. But
the other opinion that against us never really state what,
you know, what the evidence that backed up their opinion
or there's no publication also, so yeah, it's just an opinion.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So what first drew you to this site? And when
did you first realize because I'm sure when you've heard
about the site, you you went to visit the site, Yeah,
and you've heard other people's theories and other people's thoughts
on the site. When did you realize that it was
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far older than what people were saying?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, in two thousand and eleven before we uh we
said it is like really unheard, not many people knows
it and just I'm not this right right, and I'm
not I know this. I'm an earth gak geologist. Earth
great theologists has to be like very good in observing
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the landscape right morphology. Because the earthquake theology has to
map the active faults and it's based on the morphological evidence.
So in the geomorphologies has to know it's like details
of the landscape connected to the process, the geological process.
So if there is an anomally in morphology, we should
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know it. So that's how we we find Gurung Padan.
So in two ten eleven, I have a research I
do mapping on one of the major active faults in
Indonesia in West Japa. It's got demanded ePol and that
active fault the earthquake fole, it just runs through near
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Gurung Padan. So I have a higher resolution topography data
that area the digital DM DTM also, so I noticed
the landscape anomaly. The topography of the gurden Patan is
like different from the surrounding topography, very like stand out right.
So that's the first time I noticed that. And then
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I know that on top of that, on that hill
there is a negotic site, so it is interesting. So
so I just came to the heels and I found
it interesting. And at that time I also bring with
me like a grandparenting rada, the geophysical acumen. So so
at the first I just I just try it and
the result is like I think it's something feculiar about this,
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this underground factors.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
That's how we start, for us people that are not
a geologist, and for people that really don't understand how
you determine an age of a site or age of
you know, because if I went personally, if I went
to Egypt and go, oh it's old, but I would
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never even know where to start on how to determine
the age. How do you how do you determine an
age on something like this?
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah? Yeah, But before I I answer that, I think
the first thing that people have to understand is the
physical evidence the structors the stones, so that the piles
of the stones behind you and the background of yours
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not like not single of them is a natural information.
All of the rocks here is a man made struct.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, they don't look just naturally.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Even when you are not geologists. You should know it
because it has been out up and the you know,
the geometry of the siet is there's nothing natural about it.
It's amendment like this one. Also, how could people say
it natural? A formation this is the one that you're
showing here. It is really really dispute. That's a real dispute.
(08:55):
So like a couple researchers in rear in An, we
said the archaeologist, I think this is a natural formation.
They think that wow, yeah, which is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I mean really that'd be like going to Easter Island
and saying that was natural formation.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
So that's really a major point. If people accept that
as the main mastuctort, that will you know, the controversies
would not the exist. And now the carbon dating, the
carbonating that we use is a common method, that's carbon dating.
I mean this is my like my everyday life. As
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part of sismologises and earthquake geologists, you always date the
layers that's connected to the earthquake by the carbon dating
the carbons. So we date the layers based on the
remnant of the living stuff by organisms and roots and
stuff on that layers. So we take the samples in Padang.
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What we took is the the soil that contain the
carbons on the rock structures and also like one sactoral layers,
it has a foundation that has gratefully sandy soils which
also has a carbon content on it. So that's what
(10:17):
we took and we date. Ah. So if you like,
uh see this this this good. Now this couldn't. The
youngest layer is like three to four thousand years old,
and after it's constructed, it has been abandoned. As you
see here, there's lots of trees here, there's lots of glasses.
(10:40):
Right before we we open the side. Uh, the mound
is just full of trees, like a big trees. So
so so this uh, this natural process, it has happened
uh several times. So so in simple the the core
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of the hills is the natural rock formation, the massive
lava and the side and then it's covered by the
first layer. We call it the Unit three. That's the
age is like sixteen thousand to twenty seven thousands. But
after the construction it's abandoned for thousands of years. So
in that period it should be lost of three. It's
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a lots of grasses, all the things that giving the
leafs the carbons on it. And later on in the
next period in about like eight thousand years ago, after
it's abandoned so long, then people constructed the new layers
(11:44):
that you need too. Yeah, but then after that it's
abandoned again. That means the trees and brasses is like
we cover the sides again. So that's how all that
carbon carbons leak left on the suctus. So that's how
we did the layers.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
I know in Macha Peci, I've I've heard this before
where a lot of the rock structures were not even
rock from that area and it's from a different location.
It's like even the Pyramids of Egypt, you know, more
than likely they didn't bring that rock from local. They
said it was is does this rock match the rock
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layers around that area or is or is this a
different rock? No?
Speaker 2 (12:37):
No, the colub rocks, it's not on this area. So
oh wow, there's no rocks in the deep and also
there's no calros in the surrounding area.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Wow. And they said it was natural formation, Yeah right, yeah, No.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It's been from from uh from outside, Yeah, the similar
like fifty kilometas away. But we still don't know whether
it's the same roles that they use for gang. So
so we still don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Has there has there been people that were skeptical, you know,
other archaeologists skeptical that you actually changed their mind once
you brought them there, or they did their own research
and they finally agree with you, or at least agree
on some things.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That's the beauty of it. Every archaeologist that I bring
to go Balan is never really good. So they understand,
you know, they agree with me, so.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Well, that's good. I mean, that's good because this location,
like we both agree that you know, a lot of
people didn't even know about this and location and have
your are you finding other sites similar to this in
the area or is this one kind of a one
of a kind for this particular area.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
There is not the pyramids near this area like uh
like CISTI kilometers away, but the wraths difference other different
that yeah, and that pyramid is hasn't explored yet. So
even myself hasn't been going there because it's so remote,
like it needs a day to go there by you know,
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a few prometals walk also, so it's not easy to
to get to the site. There are lots of sides
in and said that has not been explored yet.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
That I that's what I love about our world that
even though you know, we've been doing archaeological research for
hundreds and hundreds of years, that we're still constantly finding
new discoveries. And I love that about uh, this field
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and in many people. I think that if you're dating
is correct. What does this say about out the capability
of humans or perhaps unknown cultures during that time period.
Do we know who these people were, because like in
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Egypt and certain that there's tombs or burial grounds, have
you found anything like that or do we know that
the people that lived here or even lived around that area.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
No, No, they still have no idea really scientifically. Yeah,
but they're capable. I mean the looking at the rock Satas,
it's just like it's a pyramids. Uh. They have to
have like messenger skills, high messagery skills to such as.
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Because they also are chambers, big chambers inside it. It's
a tunnel.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
So you said there are chambers cambers, Yeah, have you
have you dug into these chambers yet?
Speaker 2 (16:00):
No? Not yet. We We have a borhole borhole and
it goes into one of the chambers and lows lots
of waters on it, like thirty thousand liters water just
pouring into the ground. So we know there's a void
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in that. And we we have a very good scanning
of geophysics using the RIGHTISTVT the seismic tomography that I
think it sold the chambers very clearly. But we haven't
really get into that and luckily as starting next month,
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the new research will begin because the government is planning
to what you call it restore the sites. So we
really have to know about the site because even you
want real it called suck the side. So we plan
to have a drilling this time, like a big drill
goes through the chambers, uh to that chambers. And also
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we'll have lots of excavations next month hopefully.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
That is exciting. That is very exciting. And I was
going to ask you about that. How the government, you know,
archaeologists in their skepticism, but how did the government. It
sounds like they're on board now to least do more research.
But how long did it take to get the government
involved in their support?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, I think I think thanks to the new Minister
of Culture of Indonesia. He's very open mind. So if
on the Senior Archaeology is still resisting to continue research,
but he said, no, no way, we have to continue
research to make it clear. So so he just decided
to you know, conduct the real research and restoration. It's good.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
No, that that is good. So are they helping fund
your research?
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah? For the next month program, it's funded by the
government and the Chief of the the they call it
the restoration, not the research, but restoration. We restore the
restore the sites. But before restoration, it has to conduct
research first, right investigation. And the archaeologists who lead the
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research is alij Akbar, doctor Aljakbar, and he's on my team.
He's one of the author of the of the paper,
so it's got a good onion, so he will lead there.
That's the escapation.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I love to hear that. And but when you say restore,
how do you know what to restore? Because a lot
of times, you know, I know when I went to
Mexico and we went to some of the sites down there,
they showed what the pyramids looked like before, and you like, well,
they definitely did a lot of work to restore it.
But how do you know what to restore for this site?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
That's right before we we restore anything, we have to
know what we're going to restore. So I think it's
different Indan, you know what, see here is a rock
Trrassis on top of the hills, but the rock Tarasis
is probably going downhill, but it has been destroyed because
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people use clothes for agriculture, you know, and also the
loss of trees grows on it, so we can restore that.
We can restore the youngest layer. And the second thing
that we can do in Padang is made like excavation.
Dig to show people the other layers, you need two,
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you need three. So so the restoration mean here is
like making the exhibition of the site. I think that's
I think my idea how to make the better or
people to have fun and learn something.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Is are has this open doors for people tourism of
people wanting to come see this, And it sounds like
is this pretty remote? Is it a pretty remote location? No?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
No, no, no, it's it's very easy to from Jakata.
Is like the hours the news down is like one hour.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Okay, so it's not it's not like deep deep where
you can't it's hard to reach. Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Next month when we conduct research like for restoration, people
can come also to see the words.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
So I definitely am going to have to I've never
been to Egypt. I need to go see this. But
this this is also very exciting too. I think it's
I'm going to show this picture for people that are
not watching, there might be listening, but if people look
right in the center, it looks like a walkway and
then two pillars to walk through. It almost looks like
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a doorway. Is that what you feel like? That's that
is a like a doorway, like a pathway.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
To the top. In the surface, people make these standing rocks. Yeah,
like forming the spaces. Yeah or yeah, yeah, so that
is unit to one. This is the youngest slider. Oh yeah,
but you see the walls behind it. Yes, that is
(21:29):
you need too, not the same age that is you
need too and that you need to. It goes down
beneath the grass. The grass and soil is very thin,
it's like ten to fifteen centimeter, but beneath it is
a solid rock. It's a it's you need to.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So do you think like the Great Pyramid, it wasn't
built in a year. It seems like they continue to
build on it. Is that correct? Yeah, like you think
twenty six Do you think it took five hundred years
to make or or complete? Or what's your theory on
the completion of this or do you have you gotten
(22:10):
that far yet?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
No? I it depends on the assumption how good they are, right, right,
of course, if they only have a simple toast, then
it'll need lots of time. I don't know how many years,
tens of years. But if they're like as good as us,
maybe faster, yeah yeah, if they are better than us,
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then much faster.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Yeah, well definitely. It's some people have thought about the technology,
just like the Great Pyramid. It's like it was hard
to believe to build this structure with just hands and
you know, wood tools. What is your theory on the
technology that they use, because that would take a lot
(22:59):
of work, a lot of people to build a site
like this and to create these pillars. That's a lot
of chiseling.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, I think lots of people. Is still what's that like?
Close our eyes to the evidence, yeah, I mean we
sold the evidence everywhere. The megalith, yes about it, the
Pyramid in Egypt, the pyramids in Maya, lots of great
megalists that we like, wonder how the hell they made it,
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how the hell they like bring the stone that like
a thousand pounds? Yeah, pch you Yeah. So I mean
that all the evidence show really clearly that the engine
has a technology. It's like perhaps as good as us
(23:55):
or even better, because even even us now I know
how to make a pyramids like that, and you know
in Indonesia in Central Slavasi. The loss of a megaris
also it's like Easter Island, but it's made from granite
and it has also a jars like a big jazz
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made by granite, like a cylinder jazz, and it's like
a perfect cylinders and they make a hole in the
center of it, like a perfect purple circle like that.
It's a granite and the diameters there are three meters.
And I'm the audist. I you know, I know that
rock is very hard and it's very very difficult to
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add that. So it's impossible if they don't have things
like a lasser of the of the diamonds with the
chains like us now, it's almost impossible to make that artipat.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
So can you for people that again that are watching
and for the people that are listening, I'm going to
show a picture and what it is. It's a it's
a bunch of these like pillars. It's pillar shaped. Can
you tell me how tall that pillar is, because you know,
I could say, oh, that's maybe two.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Feet, Yeah, it's not that tall. I think it's about one.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Meter so three three feet around three feet. But still
that's that's a lot of work. That's a lot of
work to create these pillars.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah and yeah, the unit one is not that advanced,
but it's still lots of works because one of the
pillars could wait like a couple of hundred kow's lots of.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Them, and wow, that's amazing. And so for some believers,
Penang have been served as more like a megalithic site,
possibly a sacred place, or even an ancient technology technological structure.
But based on your evidence, what is your perspective that
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you feel that this site was.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Okay? So it's the fact that has been built, abandoned,
built abandoned, built, built abandoned like three times at least.
So that means the engine knows the ancine thing that
this is very important site. There's something something very important
(26:29):
inside it, and I just suspect that things that is
very important. They make it the very most valuables as
no chamber. It's a big chamber inside it, So I
think that's the secret Badan. I don't know what's in it,
but I think it's very very They it's very worth
(26:50):
and they think it's very very important. So that's how
that's why they keep building it over and over again
for one thousands and thousands of years and for now,
for the present time, local people and many people from
from all regions think that is like a second place.
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They they do playing here, the meditation and stuff, and
they think has like a good five praise and frequency
something like that.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
So I know you're you know, a scientist or professor,
and I'm gonna just throw it out there because this
is truth be told. And we talk a lot about
UFOs and paranormal and all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, it's also spirit well it is.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Is there a lot of UFO sightings in that area?
And do you feel that there might be a connection.
Like I said, you don't have to go there because
I know some people I don't want to touch that subject.
But you know a lot of people think that these
technologies in Egypt and go back to Tepe and all
(27:58):
that stuff or helped by a superior being. What is
your thoughts on that and is there a lot of
UFO sightings in that area.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I never heard about up sighting in this area, but
in my hometown there's some sighting, So I don't know
about that. But in my perspective, I believe in UFO
in aliens, but I have my perspective maybe different from others.
Different terms, but and I know they are very very smart. Yeah,
(28:33):
even in the religious books. Actually it's connected. They're talking
about vufo also aliens. But the thing is, yeah, yeah,
it's just different term, different term what what other people
call alien in the in the Turan, in the Bible,
in the toilet, different term, but it's the same, I
(28:55):
would say, yeah, I think. But the thing is even
they are very clear. But human being is very clever too.
It's it's not it's not less than them.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
So is is there like a row like the Sudanese
legends in oral histories play in interpreting the site.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Oh, people, most of the people here relate the sights
to the history that they know. So the the king
of the ancient Sudan is the it's called the bang
the king of Siliwangi, so they always relate to that king.
(29:47):
And also there's a local a local legend also related
to to some ancient kingdom stuff, but nothing very clear
about that.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, I'm always curious on to local legends to see
how people feel about it. When you said twenty ten,
twenty eleven, well now it's too going into twenty twenty six,
technology definitely has changed. How has these technologies, you know, changing,
(30:21):
helped with your research?
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, in terms of technology for scanning your physical it's
not that much change. I mean resolution, maybe it's getting better,
but not not much. I mean the seismic tomography is
still not that different from ten years ago. Really, I
(30:45):
says to be the method also, it's not that different.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
So yeah, I'm surprised in that now.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, I'm surprised. Are you asking that question? It kind
of stuck me because it's not that different.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, cars have changed, phones have changed, computers have changed, but.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
That's new methods definitely, but no, it's not that much.
It's not like breakthrough.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Well, before we wind down, I do want to ask
about you knowing, is if this is truly one of
the world's oldest pyramid or melithic structures, what does this
mean for your understanding of human civilization timeline? Because this
can change history.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Oh yeah, I would say that. I mean, I mean
for me it's obvious. I don't know for other people,
but I'm geologists. I know Homo sapien has been living
for three hundred thousands and Nandotha is living for if
an order four hundred thousand years ago, and the history
(31:58):
we know is eleven thousand. Yeah, right, since the beginning
of the griculture for our our civilization. Right, And do
you really think from boy said more than three hundred
thousand years there's nothing happened, No purpleicent grows, no cultures grows,
(32:18):
and only the human being, like I mean, the homozap
years two hundred thousand years ago, it's just like us.
There's no change in brain in the physical it's just
like us. So I think they're as cracker as us.
I would say, physically it's the same. Yeah. So, and
also our religion also told us that we are not
(32:41):
the civilization. No, no, to run bibles, I would say
that our civilization is from is after the flood, the
Great Flood, Yeah, before that. That is the lot of civilizations,
Oh for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It it baffles me when I hear and you know,
I'm not getting to the religion, especially like Christianity. They
you know, they say that you know, there were no
dinosaurs and it's only a few thousand years old, and
you know, I'm like, there's so much evidence around the
world to dispute that.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
But yeah, yeah, it's is exactually it's just like I
think it's the beginning that we like. Sooner or later
we're going to accept that there's a lot of civilization.
I mean alone, it's it's already checking the formation of
(33:37):
the established bleep because the go is eleven thousand and
six hundred, and our civiliss begins eleven thousand, So it's
six hundred before our civilization started, and now is even
like older. And as you know, I mean, the good
(33:58):
is not our only discoveries. There's other things that even bigger.
This year we will start a last expedition, not just
be Down, but many other sites, including the site is
underwater in Javasi. Yeah, we discovered the harbor, the engine
(34:19):
harbor sixty that wow.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
When was this discovery?
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Oh, I discovered is a long time ago. It's like
thirteen thirteen, thirteen years ago, but I kept it secret
for so long for ten years. But now I think
it's the time I will well. I spoke to people
trying to get some fun to explore deeply, but I
(34:48):
couldn't get it. But until now there are people who
he will found our exploration, So I think we're gonna
bring it. It's very good, it's very clear Hubbor, Big
Hubbor six kilometers long, White Wow, sixteen meters below the
sea level. And it's not just only one. There's also
(35:08):
a dumb and a bridge also underwater.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
I can't wait to We're gonna have to have you
back one of these days once you start getting down
there and hear more about it. This is, like I said,
I'm a little jealous that you get to do these
amazing things and discoveries. I wish I was to fly
on the wall, to be a part of it. That
it just sounds amazing. And so that actually leads me
(35:37):
to my really last question is what's next in your research?
But you answered that and and what discoveries that you
hope to make, And it sounds like you constantly are
finding new areas to focus on and I appreciate that.
(35:57):
So how do people go ahead? I'm sorry?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
So my my next projects for the next year, we
will continue the good Patang as we said next month,
and then we'll continue our research the new discovery the
pyramids in Toba Lake also and on that central solos
(36:21):
where we have fast megalids from the granites. This year
we will conduct radiometic date, but not using carbon dating,
but using cosmogenic dating. We have a collaboration with our
college from France, from the universities to conduct we set together. Yeah,
(36:44):
that's it, will we'll have a big project.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I love how he said that. Yeah, you're like that's it. No,
there you you you definitely doing a lot and we,
like I said, I appreciate you, and I know my
audience is appreciate you. How do people follow your work?
I know you don't you're not you say you're not
a big presence on social media, But how do people
follow your work to find out more information about your discoveries?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah, I have to know. I'm just writing my activities
on the Facebook very little. But after this, I'm now
forming the new organization for this project. We call it
the Sundalandya Discovery Project. So this project will have a website.
(37:31):
So after the website form, I think it's gonna be
lots of information on it.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Well, I'm gonna try this again, Professor doctor Danny Hillman
natawe Jaya. Is that right? I got it? But thank
you so much for being here. I I really want
you to come back. I'm going to keep in touch
and find out more information what your discoveries that the
(38:00):
your harbor and other discoveries that you're making in the future.
So thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Thank you all.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
Right, thank you everybody for being here. We appreciate you.
Please follow Professor Danny, professor doctor Danny, excuse me, and
follow his work. I mean, this is new discoveries that
some of us never even heard about, and we appreciate
people like him to go out and do the work
and bring us this information of our lost world, our
(38:28):
lost discoveries. So I'm Tony, sweet with truth be told.
Until next time, I'll see you next Friday right here
on the Club Paranormal Network. Bye.
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