October 10, 2025 • 46 mins
In this episode of Truth Be Told, Tony Sweet welcomes Meghna Porwal, a Certified Professional Paranormal Investigator with the Indian Paranormal Society, founded by the late Gaurav Tiwari. Meghna specializes in capturing photographic anomalies and has documented some of India’s most compelling evidence of the supernatural. From haunted forts and sacred temples to urban apartments with lingering energies, Meghna takes us inside her field investigations and shares how culture, faith, and technology converge in India’s paranormal landscape. She reveals how to separate evidence from illusion, the stories behind her most chilling photos, and what keeps her searching for the truth behind the unexplained. If you’re fascinated by real evidence and the unseen world beyond the lens, this is a conversation you won’t want to miss.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We've talked many times about haunted places, haunted sites, and
just hauntings here in the United States and even in Europe.
But today's guest is going to take us deep into
the mysteries of the unknown across the land where ancient temples,
whisper and restless spirits still roam. Magna Paral is a
certified professional paranormal investigator with India's foremost and most respected organization,
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the Indian Paranormal Society, and with courage and curiosity, she
explored some of India's most haunted places, from abandoned forts
and colonial mansions to sacred grounds with centuries of history,
and capturing and documenting some of the best photographic anomalies
ever recorded. Magna's work blends scientific observation with the spiritual intuition,
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offering rare insight into how energy, emotion, and belief shape
the unseen world. Through her investigations and storytelling, Magna is
helping bridge the gap between fear and understand showing that
every haunting has a history and every ghost story worth
the hearing. Whether she's tracking residual energy or decoding mysterious voices,
(01:09):
Magna invites us to look beyond superstition and discover what
truly lingers in the shadows. We'll get ready for a
fascinating journey through India's haunted heartlands with one of its
boldest truth seekers. I'm Tony Sweet with Truth Be Told.
Please welcome to the Truth Be Told Studios for the
first time, all the way from India. Magna Pooro. Hello, Hello,
(01:38):
how are you today or tonight?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I'm doing very well, good evening. It's ten thirty in
the ninetio. That was amazing. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Of course, I love to give kudos where it's deserved,
So anybody that is in the industry that we have
dedicated our lives to do, I appreciate, and a lot
of us don't get the opportunity to go out into
the field and do the research that you get to do.
(02:09):
So I'm excited to talk to you about your Indian journey.
And I always say everybody in this genre, if it's
a UFO or Bigfoot or ghost hunter, we've always had
an experience. I had an experience when I was a kid,
So I want to hear your story. How did you
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get started wanting to do this paranormal research?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Oh, thank you so much for first for Tony for
having me on your show. It's an absolute pleasure to
be here. So my journey, well, I was always a
believer since we work kids. My parents, especially my mom
web bought up on ghost stories. She would tell us
about her experiences when she was working as a nurse
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in hospitals here in Mumbai, and of course when we
had to go to bed at night, and if we
were late to going to bed because next day we
had school, then of course the ghost stories would come out,
you know, like the headless horsemen coming to take you,
or the boogieyman and things like that. Yeah. So but yeah,
growing up, I always believed in the paranormal. I mean,
(03:23):
I don't I know, I did not know the term,
but I know that their ghosts and spirits at all.
But growing up and right up until my adults were
up till about say twenty years ago, I'm going to
say that I never truly experienced anything, you know. In fact,
(03:47):
it was my sister who was very sensitive and the
place that all are places, the house that we were
staying here in Mumbai, she used to experience a lot
of things and she used to tell us, you know,
the next day when she next day in the morning,
that what she experienced in the night. But though I
used to believe her, but I myself never experienced anything
(04:09):
until when we lost our dad. In two thousand and six,
we lost her dad. And one year after we lost
her dad, I saw him for the first time as
a spirit. And I'll tell you exactly what happened. I mean,
I was getting ready to go to work in the
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night and I was brushing my teeth. I was looking
in the mirror and I was brushing my teeth and
I see this person standing in the doorway. And at
first I did not recognize him. I recognized him only
with the clothes he had on, because I knew my
dad used to wear those clothes. And then when I
saw the face again, and I saw that I saw
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my dad. Wow. And it was just for a few seconds,
but it seemed like he he was just standing there
for an eternity, you know, do you know how it feels,
you know, like that, And then suddenly he just disappeared,
and he turned into this black mass, and he just
disappeared into my brother who was sleeping in our living room. Wow.
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And I never told anything to my mom because I
saw him on the eve of my mom's birthday. I
still remember June seventeenth, or maybe June and June. I
was a June eighteenth early in the morning. It was
June eighteenth, is my mom's birthday. And it was I
think about one o'clock in the morning that I was
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getting ready to go to work. That's when I saw him.
And when my father was alive, he would always tend
to forget my mom's birthday, and he would always wish
her like two or three days after her birthday, you know.
But this was like as much as long as I
could remember, but this was the first time that he
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came on the date I'm thinking, just to wish here,
you know, for her birthday. And I did not tell
Mom anything until I did not come back from work
there the next day. Uh So that was my first
experience with actually seeing something, and I think and then
after that, I think I became a little more sensitive.
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And then I started picking up things here and there,
especially in a house. I would see black shadow masses crossing,
you know, passing by the hallways. I would hear them.
I would hear my name called out when nobody was there,
or I would hear my name called out in either
my sister's voice or in my mother's voice when they
were not even in the house. Then I would be
all alone. So and then I started with I started
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feeling that, you know, being watched and every time and
I could not that. It came to a point that
I could not even stay alone in the house because
it used to scare me. Even during the daytime. It
used to scare me. But I started. I ventured into
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this field quite much later after this experience. I saw
so our founder, the late gor Of Tavari, who founded
Indian Paranormal Society in two thousand and nine. I saw
him first on we had a show here on MTV
called Girls' Night Out, and that was the first time
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I saw paranormal investigators on from India on TV. I
mean I used to watch I was already watching Ghost
Adventures and Ghost Hunters and you know things like already
watching all those shows, and I always just think, I
wish I always wanted to, you know, do something like this.
I wish I could do something like this, you know,
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in my life. And I sused to tell my mom,
I wish I'd do something like this. And then I
saw Gore on this show and I was so excited.
I was like, Mom, do you know we already we
actually have a team like this in our country. So
I'm going to reach out to him and see what
is the procedure to joining the joining this organization. And
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so that's how I got into it. I reached out
to Gore, you replied, And there was a process. I mean,
I had to go through the to go through the
course and everything. Study its well, understand it because what
you see on TV and what is actually happening is
totally different, you know, right. So that course, when I
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did that study with him of the paranormal, it gave
me a lot more understanding of how things work. What
are what are what do you mean by residual energy?
Or what do you mean by intelligent energy? What do
you mean by call the guys? What do you mean
by demonic entity or possessions? And what is cleansing and
things like that? Because you only hear them on TV?
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You're stuffitting and googling, you know, what is this name?
What is this thing? So that's how I got into
this field. So now it's been almost about ten years
now that I'm doing this.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I can tell you that it has been a one
hell of a journey and it's been absolutely amazing. Though
we've done about like fifty sixty odd cases so far,
mostly all residential cases, but it happened really incredible because
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even when you go to people's home, there is always
a possibility of you to capture something which is absolutely
incredible and it changes your whole perspective of the field,
you know. So yeah, that's how my journey started.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
And actually, you're very well known for some of the
best photographic anomalies in Indiana, and I wanted to see
how you became to be able to see that where
a lot of people don't be able or not be
(10:02):
able to capture that image. And can you describe maybe
one of the most striking or unexplainable moments that you've documented.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So, you know, honestly, I really don't know how I
how I became this photographic or how god Of used
to say spirit photographer. The camera that I use is
actually his that he gave me, and I just go
in to any location and I just start putting pictures
(10:37):
randomly and at any investigation I would, I can I
can click about anything from one hundred to maybe four
hundred five hundred, six hundred pictures in one night.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Wow, that's all.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, that's a lot. I know, that's a lot of
pictures because I've I don't know, I just feel that
I should capture every corner of that place. You know,
I don't want to miss out on anything because you
never know what may come up there. So what I
do basically is just if I am if I'm looking
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at a certain look, a certain area in that particular location,
I will take about four or five pictures of that
particular area itself in that same position before I go
to the next position and change my angle or whatever
it is, so that I have a before and after
and the middle. If there is something that is captured,
you know on the photographs, right, you don't really get
(11:40):
too much photographic evidence or even video evidence, you know that, right,
We don't. It's very rare that we get capped. We
can capture anything on a camera. But the very first
time that I captured something on the camera was when
we had gone for a residential case in one of
in one of Mumbai's suburbs, and one of the stories
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was that one of the incidents is that the family
would say that they would see somebody in there in
their balcony. So I said, okay, fine, let's just go
and start clicking pictures there. And I did not even
realize that I had captured something. But when I came
home and I was going through reviewing all whatever we captured,
(12:27):
all the photographs, then I saw this thing manifest in
in at least three pour photographs. I saw it actually
manifesting and it cave. The cave came into a shape
of a person standing there, and you could see the
hollow eyes, the hollow nose, and the hollow mouth. I
did not even know that was something that I had
captured until I sent it to Gorev to uh check
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and see if there was anything there, And that's when
he circled that whole image and he he sent it
to me. He's like, this is what you have captured.
I said, oh, that's amazing. But yeah, Also, I remember
when I was doing his courses, we were supposed to
do some kind of assessments. You know. One of the
(13:13):
assessments was to just go to any place nearby, to
wherever you were staying, and start clicking pictures. So I
went to my building, the back of my building, and
there it was just like it was there was nothing there.
It was just marshy land and you know, just was
growing here and there. And I started and I used
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I was used my digital camera because I did not
have any equipment that we use in the field. Her
set started clicking with my digital camera and I just
sent it to them for the assessment. I did not
know whether I captured because I did not know how
to read or understand or view these images at that
point of time. And then he came back again and
he told me, look, you've captured this space. And he
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showed me in one of the pictures that I had
captured face and it was the face of a woman
on the rocks. It was just there was a few
stones there, a few rocks there, and that that was
just a face there. That was that I had captured there.
I did not even know at that time, so that
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it just started happening. Just I would go to a location,
I would just start clicking pictures. Sometimes you get, sometimes
you don't get, and then sometimes you do get something
and then you send it out to your team to
you know, see I see something there, Do you also
see the same thing? Do you tell me what you see?
And all that when it always comes out. You know,
it could be matrixing, it could be camera flash, it
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could be this, it could be back. So yeah, it
happens that way. That's how I got into this, and
I've been lucky that I've been able to capture some
good and incredible evidences.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Well, I mean it must be getting people's attention, because
that's what you're becoming known for. So congratulations on that.
I know a lot of people when they when they
hear of a case or go into a location, how
(15:13):
do you, and I know you worked with Garav, how
did you determine if it's a genuine paranormal evidence or
maybe a natural or human made explanation during your investigations?
(15:33):
Because I think you know, we all hear creaks in
the night and things like that. So how do you
go into a case and determine what is the origin?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah? So you don't like you also know that almost
like these cases can be debunked. Yeah, it can come
down to a cyclog It can come down to your
mental health or something. Maybe you're going through something and
it can be just debunked to whatever five percent is remaining.
(16:10):
That also, you have to break it down to see
whether what is genuine out of those five percent and
whether you should actually go to that place and travel
all the way to do an investigation. So usually when
we have clients who get in touch with us, we
ask them a bunch of questions, things like, do you
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know the history of the place, how long have you
been staying there? Has it been happening since the time
you got there, when did it start, how did it start,
or if you were staying someplace else before, was things
like this happening with you there as well? Who are
like experiencing this in your house? What are you experiencing
Because a lot of times when people get in touch
(16:53):
with us, they say, oh, I feel as if I'm possessed. Oh,
I feel as if I have an attachment, or I
feel something is doing this, something is doing that. And
the first thing when people start talking and giving us
this kind of scenarios that is happening to them, we
always tell them to first get medical help. Yeah, to
go and get yourself checked gos, go to a neurologist,
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to go to a therapist, get yourself checked and see
if there is no underlying condition medical condition with them.
Then tell them if the doctors give you a clean sheet,
then we are more than happy to look into look
into the paranormal side of it. Yeah. But if the doctors,
and a lot of times when they come back to us,
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they will always say, oh, the doctor has diagnosed us
with some kind of disorder or with some kind of
mental health issue. Something is happening to them. So in
those cases, there is really nothing that we can do
on our end. They have to take that treatment. They
have to take care of themselves. We can only counsel
them and tell them what can they do, but of
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what Also, what happens that there are people who are
so into this thing, they'll keep researching, researching, researching, and
they're so obsessed. Also we also tell them that, see, look,
because you're so much into this, you're manifesting this on
your own, even if it is not there, it is
you who is doing this. So you need to stop.
(18:23):
You need to put an end to this so that
you know things will calm down. But if there are
clients that say that the children are getting affected, yeah,
or if they say that yes, they have been physically abused, physically,
they have been attacked, like there's scratches and things like that,
then we take those cases on priority, and especially when
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children are concerned. We don't ask two questions. We just
we are happy to go there and investigate because there
are children involved. There are some clients who have CCTV
cameras fixed in their houses also, you know, tell them,
you know, if you have if you've captured anything on
your CCTV cameras. If you have anything, you send it
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to us. We will have a look at it and
see if there is anything they're going on, or if
there is an explanation as to why what sounds you're
hearing or what are those things that you're seeing in
the night and all that. A lot of times we
can debunk that as well as being maybe the cab,
the dog, or some person passing by or outside vehicles,
you know, of people talking in the neighborhood, things like that.
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But there are clients who have sent us evidence where
they've actually seen things. We have actually seen shadow figures
passing by on the CCTV cameras, so that makes it okay,
this is happening. Maybe we'll go there and we'll check
it out and see. So that's how we determine which
cases to go to, which cases not to go to.
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There are a lot of times where I remember my
very first investigation with in paranormal Society. We went to
a residential case where the client he told us that
his wife is getting affected a lot. So when we
found out when he reached there and he spoke to
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the client, then he was like he told us the
entire history that she had been through a lot of
trauma in her life. There were a lot of people
that she had lost, you know, over the years, very quickly,
you know, in a matter of months, orm in a
matter of few years, that she had lost a lot
of people. So she's very traumatized now. And I think
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she was also borderline schizophrenia as well. So then see
here becomes the issue. What are we supposed to do here?
You know, here it is only they can only take
medical help. A therapist can help, for a doctor can help.
You know, we still if they insist, we still go
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there just to give them that to suit them, you
know that, Okay, fine, we'll come there do our investigation,
but you also need to be prepared that we may
or they may not find any evidence. So we have
to get them prepared as well, because a lot of
times if we don't find any evidence of anything happening
in that house. It backfires on us.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, well, because if somebody is on the verge of schizophrenia,
they're not going to believe what you say anyway. So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And see here it's just very different. Pharanormal investigators are
a last resort for families. The first thing they will
do is they will call all these god men's you
know what we call the who do all these rituals
and black magic and things like that. They will do
all these things first, and then still when they don't
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get any any kind of relief, that's when they will
call us. And if we don't give them the answers
that they want, yeah, then they'll say, oh, but that
person came to my house and they said that, oh
there is this happening. How are you saying that there
is nothing in the house? Right? And I see because
we are. We are investigating using scientific equipment, and we
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did not get anything that could say that there is
something happening in the house. So why would we want
to lie to you. They don't want to believe this.
They are happy to believe what those god means or
what those black match people that they want to believe
them rather than believing paranomal investigators who are presenting them
the evidence. Well, that is a problem here.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I'm curious on how does because I know with overseas,
especially in Asia, very spiritual. And I'm curious because here
in America, a lot of times when you mentioned anything
paranormal Christianity is they look down upon that. They look
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they think it's as demons or something that's negative. How
does India perceive your work majority I would.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Say it's not very open here. Don'tually talk about the
paranormal as much. If somebody talks about that they are
experiencing something, they are always looked down upon or they'll
be taunted. You know, you're you're crazy, you're imagining things.
You need to go to a psychiatrist, you need to
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go for therapy. There is no such thing as ghosts
or spirits. They can't talk like this, you know, things
like that. So it is only now since since GOREV
got this whole paranormal thing in India, people have started
just a little bit, have started to open out and
(23:59):
talk about all these things. But it is still very
taboo here, still very taboo. And see the thing is
that how Bollywood portrays horror. Yeah, you've seen any Bollywood
movies or series where concerning horror or paranormal it's not
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it's not real. You know that. Even when you see
Hollywood movies, you know half of it is not real.
It doesn't happen that way. So it's very it's opening
up just a little bit, just like one percent. It
will take a lot of time for people to completely
open up. This is the reason why it's difficult to
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get permissions to investigate haunted locations really, because even for
residential cases, people will come to us and they will
tell us, and you know, they're experiencing things like this
and all that, and when you say, okay, fine, we'll
be a happy to come and investigate, they will shut off. Yeah,
they don't want to believe. Then they say, oh no, no, no,
(25:03):
you know what, nothing is happening. Everything is fine. Now,
it's okay, now, don't bother this or that. And so
it is always like this. I really wish that people
would be more understanding to this and that it's not
something to fear. I mean, if you educate yourself enough,
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you will be in a much better place to talk
about it. People will be much more open to talk
about it and sensible things. This also goes to the
media here like Bollywood, who could change the way they
show horror. You know, even if it's a reality show
or even if it's a movie, If they change the
way they show things, then it could be much better.
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Because for them, We've been approached by a lot of
people to do work with them, and it always comes
down to, oh, we have to show possession, or we
have to show people levitating, or we have to show
people vomiting green guy stuff. I said, but that doesn't happen, right,
How many possessions have you seen? I mean, it's not
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that possessions are happening every day.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Right, which is rare.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, yeah, so it's very rare these cases. But this
is what they want to show. So instead of educating
people with these things, they want to build fear because
for them, horror means or paranormal means fear. Yeah. So
it's it's like this, I mean, And where religion is concerned,
like there are there are some religions who believe in
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this the okay, yes there is there are things like this,
but like you said, Christianity, same with us, the Christian
are Community, the Christian Committee they don't really. The church
will not believe you if you tell them that you
know so and so is happening. Oh, don't worry about it.
There is nothing like that. You just say your prayers
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this even though they may no, ky okay, there is
something like this happening. There could be a possibility, but
they will make you. They will deny it. But the
Catholic is Catholic community or the Catholics is concerned. The
Christian community, Christianity is concerned. It's the same as you
experienced there.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's I think ghost Hunters and Ancient
Aliens the TV shows have really opened people's minds here
where they used to not want to talk about it,
but now everybody is wanting to talk about it now.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
So I think that we don't get to see your
shows here.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
You don't.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
We don't get to see them. You have to see it.
You have to download it from some source. Wow. I
mean people who can download it from the source and
see it, they are a little open about it. But
people who don't have access, they have no clue and
they're still in that closed mind here.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah yeah, I mean hopefully one day that that will
open up and open the minds.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
A little bit more.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, well, I know here in America, most of our
sites meaning buildings, structures maybe three hundred, three hundred and
fifty years old. There's a lot of Native Americans that
you know that's been here thousands of years. But India,
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I mean there's tens of thousands of years of structures
and locations, and it's filled with centuries old forts and
palaces and temples. What is some of the haunted, most
haunted sites that you have been to and have left
a deep impression on you personally.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
So unfortunately I have personally not visited these sites as such,
but my team, goref and the team, they have been
to all the forts here. One of the top so
I was doing some research of top Asia top most
haunted places in Asia, and one of the forts, which
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is in Rajasthan called bangor Forth, is the top most
haunted place in Asia. And that is like an ancient structure.
It was a village that just disappeared overnight. That whole
entire village disappeared overnight. People just left and everything was
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in ruins. Then there's Kuldhara again in Rajasthan. Same kind
of story where people just left overnight for there have
plenty of reasons. But then of course there are all
the stories that folklore that comes down from generations that
you know. So those are the places two of the
(29:51):
most haunted locations if you're talking about forts and all.
There are other places as well. I have been to
like a forest here, which is also quite old. The forest, Yeah,
and it has a lot of stories there of hauntings
and things like that. Uh. And people are really not
(30:13):
allowed to go there in the night. You can't even
pass across that road where the fore from where the
forest starts, because it is ah, it is notorious too.
It is notoriously known for hauntings. Plus in the night
all the because it's a forest, all the wildlife comes out.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
So wow, what what do you think makes it so haunted?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Uh? There have there have been a lot of accidents there,
a lot of murders. So that place, before it got
developed into a residential area, it was a complete dead end.
It was only just thick forest everywhere. So uh, I
think it was more like and I've even heard that
(31:01):
there used to be decots there. So yeah, there's a dump,
dumping bodies, murdering people, looting people, and things like that. Uh,
those are all the stories. Plus there there are all
the stories about a woman walking on the road and
if she asks if when you pass that road, everybody
(31:23):
will tell you if anybody stops you asking for a lift,
do not stop, just go straight because you never know
whom you're picking up, whether it's a spirit away that
it's actually a human being. So when you pass that
road in the night, it really gives them very eerie feeling.
And the forest officials don't allow you there after seven
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in the night. It's very restricted. You really need permissions,
like huge set of permissions to go in there if
you want to go in there for any purpose. There
are people still, there are people living there the forest. Yeah.
The forest is also attached to our film city where
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all the movie shoots and all take place. So that
film city was all actually constructed inside the forest. Well
even for movies. Yeah, even for movies and all. They
need special formassions if they want to investigate in the night,
and they have to have very high security. They don't
allow people, you know, walking alone or going to some
(32:31):
location alone. And also that because from anywhere there'd be
either a leopard or a tiger or line just counts
on you and forget the hauntings.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Right right, I think I'd be more scared of those.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, they're more scared of those. Then there's then we
have the mines here Lumby deyher Minds. Those were mines
that were shut down because there were a lot of
accidents and a lot of people lost their lives. Unfortunately,
for paranormal investing, they only have access to the administrative
building and not the mines actually, but if you are
(33:08):
if you stand in the administrative building in that structure,
you can hear what sounds like people still walking inside
the mines. Oh wow. Yeah, you can hear screams. You
will hear tools banging and things like that. So, uh,
these are some of that. There are other places also,
uh that are that are quite haunted, and again it
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comes down to getting permissions to go and investigate these places.
A lot of them are associative as folklores, so you
don't know whether they are actually really haunted or is
it just stories that you've heard over the generations. But
could a bangor lambidher mindes. The the art of Forest
(33:53):
that I was talking about, they are pretty known for
all their hauntings and all their paranormal activity that goes
on there. Yeah, and we've captured Oh. Also in Mumbai,
we have these mills, it's called mcash Mills, which is
one of the most haunted locations in India. UH and
(34:14):
our team went there to investigate. And I almost thought
that there would beside residual energy there right because of UH.
You would think in certain places you just get that
feeling that oh, you know, that could just be residual energy,
there is no way that you would get anything intelligent.
But it was actually the opposite. There is so much
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of intelligent energy because when we were communicating and the
team was communicating, they got some incredible responses. And of
course gore Goreth was a spirit photographer of the team UH,
and he captured He also captured some amazing evidence in
Muccation Mills in Kuldhara as well, not so much in Banger,
(34:58):
but even in lumb they heard he captured some incredible
evidence on UH on his equipment when he went to investigate.
And of course if you know that when he went
to Australia, that's also there where he captured a lot
of evidence photographic evidence.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, that's pretty amazing It's like I said, I haven't
had the opportunity to go to many sites, and it
sounds like that you have, uh not the opportunity to
go to a lot of these sites. But what are
a few that you would love to investigate?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
There has to.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Be, That's what I'm saying. I mean, if people, if
the owners of these places, you know, all these haunted locations,
if they just open up the property for paranormal investigations
or for ghost tours and things like that, it would
be absolutely amazing because that's when people will start opening
up and talking about things, you know, and it will
(35:56):
change the mindset or the change the way to think
about this field. Yeah, because when we when you talk
about paranormal, you're always talking about aliens, UFOs and then
ghosts and entities and spirits. But here people, when you
say paranormal this strait, we think about ghosts and spirits.
Yeah yeah, yeah, But like we always say, paranormal, it's
(36:17):
not just ghosts and spirits. It's about everything that cannot
be explained. Yeah. So that's what we need to have
something to Somebody needs to come and change something.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Well maybe it's you, Maybe it's you. So how how
has this changed your own spiritual beliefs work doing the
work that you do.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yes, I'm more open to when people talk to me
about their experiences and definitely more open to believing them that, yes,
maybe they aren't experiencing something. Uh. When you uh, when
you are in this field for so many years, you
tend to develop. You become a little more sensitive to
(37:07):
everything around you. Now have started saying, oh, this person
doesn't give a good vibe, but there is something. Or
when you walk into a place, it doesn't have to
be a haunted location. You can just walk into a
place and you can get a sense and a feel
of things. Yeah, I'm sure you are also in this
field for such a long time now even when you
(37:28):
go to any normal location, you'll just start start getting
those vines. Yeah, that has definitely opened me up those abilities,
so sensitive abilities has definitely opened up about me. But
definitely I have become more open to people when they
talk about all these things, and most send more empathetic
(37:50):
towards them. Yeah, sympathizing with them that they're going through
all this and helping them out, giving them free, free consultations, right.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
And even the spirits that are in these locations when
you go in with an open mind and a loving heart.
I feel that sometimes the spirits will reveal themselves easier
when you have a heart.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
That's it's become much more respectful when I go into
these locations, you know, Yeah, you are much more respectful
towards not just that, not just the living, but also
the dead. Because I think, yes, I would have not
been in this field for such a long time. Probably
if I would have gone to a location, I would
have been maybe more maybe make fun of it or
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you know, provocative things like that. But now it is
much more. But now it's much more respectful.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Well. We you're part of the Indian Paranormal Society. Grav
unfortunately has passed away. What is the direction the approach
that this paranormal society to the public. Are you there
to educate? What's what? What is the purpose of the
(39:05):
Indian Paranormal Society.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
So our main purpose is basically to help to help
people to educate them of course about this this field.
Also to breaking their myths, breaking superstitions. Yeah, helping them
to open understanding and open their minds that if you
are experiencing all this it is okay. You don't have
(39:30):
to be scared, Yeah, you don't. Please don't think that
you are crazy or there is something wrong with you. No,
if you don't have anybody to talk to about all this,
come to us. We are here to help you. We
will hear you out. But for us, it's just mostly
this thing, not to instill fear. We are not sure
(39:52):
to instill fear. We want you, We want people to
get educated about this field. We want to draw a
line between what is real and what is myth and
what is superstition, and what happens in reality and what
happens on TV are two totally different things, which is
(40:14):
very important because what they show on TV, people think
that is exactly what happens to us as well when
we go to locations. But because that is not the case.
So that is what we are trying as a team.
This is what Grev always wanted to have had been
doing since till the time he was alive, and we
(40:35):
continue to do that to move forward with his vision,
with his legacy, because that's the best way for us
to honor him and the work that he has done.
And I think if it wasn't for him, we would
not have this paranormal scene right now in India as
(40:56):
it is as what it is today, it is definitely
thanks to him because he was the first person to
bring this whole concept into India and even though he
himself was a non believer.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
He was a non believer.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah wow. You know, like somebody famous always says, I
never believed in ghosts until I came face to face
with one. That is exactly what happened. That is exactly
what happened to him.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
That is funny. Yeah. I think a lot of times
people that get into the industry, or some of them
are non believers, just to see if it's like a
science a scientist. A lot of times they.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Wish to make it a real science. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, it's it's the the the trying to prove versus
not just not believing. So I think that's fascinating. Wow,
that's that. That's kind of interesting to hear. So going forward,
word Magna, So what are you are you speaking? Are
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you doing any tours, are you having conferences? What's what's
the what's the like? In India?
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Not as of now, because we don't get much cases
coming through. And now that the thing is that we
are all uh, my team members, we are all family people,
so going out becomes a little difficult because I mean
I myself have my daughter. She's just too so leaving
her going just for one night it is okay, but
(42:37):
she still is not getting adjusted to that. We do
a lot of podcasts here, We do a lot of uh,
just talking to people. If they invite us over for
seminars or sessions, we ye happily go there and we
are happy to go and investigate wherever we want to investigate.
I mean, as long as we get the permissions, the
(42:58):
correct permissions, we go ahead and do that. But yeah,
it's a little slow. I mean it's not as open.
I mean you all have locations which are open for
ghost hunting, for re paranormal research. It's not like this here.
I really wish it was like this, so you could
just just take permission from the care take off right here.
(43:19):
It is very difficult.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Well, it sounds like we're going to have to get
a team and go over there and.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Go on some very welcome you are very welcome.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
We would love that, but I would love that. So
all right, Well, people can go to India Indian Paranormal
Society DOT. I am for India, uh and check out
all kinds of amazing work that you guys do. And
I know you can go on Instagram and also find
(43:50):
the society and of course your personal one, which that's
where I found you. But I really appreciate you being
on the show and talking about what it's like over
in India and the paranormal community. It sounds like we
need to to send some good vibes and open hope,
(44:11):
hoping people open up more and getting it more exposure,
because I think the more we connect with the spirit world,
the better we can connect in the in the our world.
Yeah yeah, that hopefully we can get that the eyes
open more.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
So.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
But so thank you so much for really uh sharing
your story and opening up a whole different side that
we probably don't ever we never even heard about here
in America. So appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Thank you so much for having me on this show, Tony.
It was really a pleasure and I've really enjoyed myself
flust time on an international podcast.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
I love to I love to be the first. I
love it well, thank you, thank you, and thank you
everybody for tuning in. We really appreciate it. Please support them.
This is they're part of our community and follow them,
share their journeys, share their cases, and just enjoy the
ride with them. And thank you for tuning in. Please like, share,
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the Magna that shares their story and share their gift
(45:41):
of knowledge that a lot of us don't have other
than reading or listening to podcasts. So until next time,
I'm Tony Sweet with truth be told on the Club
Paranormal Network, and take care of yourself and each other.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Bye.
We've talked many times about haunted places, haunted sites, and
just hauntings here in the United States and even in Europe.
But today's guest is going to take us deep into
the mysteries of the unknown across the land where ancient temples,
whisper and restless spirits still roam. Magna Paral is a
certified professional paranormal investigator with India's foremost and most respected organization,
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the Indian Paranormal Society, and with courage and curiosity, she
explored some of India's most haunted places, from abandoned forts
and colonial mansions to sacred grounds with centuries of history,
and capturing and documenting some of the best photographic anomalies
ever recorded. Magna's work blends scientific observation with the spiritual intuition,
(00:48):
offering rare insight into how energy, emotion, and belief shape
the unseen world. Through her investigations and storytelling, Magna is
helping bridge the gap between fear and understand showing that
every haunting has a history and every ghost story worth
the hearing. Whether she's tracking residual energy or decoding mysterious voices,
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Magna invites us to look beyond superstition and discover what
truly lingers in the shadows. We'll get ready for a
fascinating journey through India's haunted heartlands with one of its
boldest truth seekers. I'm Tony Sweet with Truth Be Told.
Please welcome to the Truth Be Told Studios for the
first time, all the way from India. Magna Pooro. Hello, Hello,
(01:38):
how are you today or tonight?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I'm doing very well, good evening. It's ten thirty in
the ninetio. That was amazing. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Of course, I love to give kudos where it's deserved,
So anybody that is in the industry that we have
dedicated our lives to do, I appreciate, and a lot
of us don't get the opportunity to go out into
the field and do the research that you get to do.
(02:09):
So I'm excited to talk to you about your Indian journey.
And I always say everybody in this genre, if it's
a UFO or Bigfoot or ghost hunter, we've always had
an experience. I had an experience when I was a kid,
So I want to hear your story. How did you
(02:30):
get started wanting to do this paranormal research?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Oh, thank you so much for first for Tony for
having me on your show. It's an absolute pleasure to
be here. So my journey, well, I was always a
believer since we work kids. My parents, especially my mom
web bought up on ghost stories. She would tell us
about her experiences when she was working as a nurse
(02:59):
in hospitals here in Mumbai, and of course when we
had to go to bed at night, and if we
were late to going to bed because next day we
had school, then of course the ghost stories would come out,
you know, like the headless horsemen coming to take you,
or the boogieyman and things like that. Yeah. So but yeah,
growing up, I always believed in the paranormal. I mean,
(03:23):
I don't I know, I did not know the term,
but I know that their ghosts and spirits at all.
But growing up and right up until my adults were
up till about say twenty years ago, I'm going to
say that I never truly experienced anything, you know. In fact,
(03:47):
it was my sister who was very sensitive and the
place that all are places, the house that we were
staying here in Mumbai, she used to experience a lot
of things and she used to tell us, you know,
the next day when she next day in the morning,
that what she experienced in the night. But though I
used to believe her, but I myself never experienced anything
(04:09):
until when we lost our dad. In two thousand and six,
we lost her dad. And one year after we lost
her dad, I saw him for the first time as
a spirit. And I'll tell you exactly what happened. I mean,
I was getting ready to go to work in the
(04:31):
night and I was brushing my teeth. I was looking
in the mirror and I was brushing my teeth and
I see this person standing in the doorway. And at
first I did not recognize him. I recognized him only
with the clothes he had on, because I knew my
dad used to wear those clothes. And then when I
saw the face again, and I saw that I saw
(04:52):
my dad. Wow. And it was just for a few seconds,
but it seemed like he he was just standing there
for an eternity, you know, do you know how it feels,
you know, like that, And then suddenly he just disappeared,
and he turned into this black mass, and he just
disappeared into my brother who was sleeping in our living room. Wow.
(05:17):
And I never told anything to my mom because I
saw him on the eve of my mom's birthday. I
still remember June seventeenth, or maybe June and June. I
was a June eighteenth early in the morning. It was
June eighteenth, is my mom's birthday. And it was I
think about one o'clock in the morning that I was
(05:37):
getting ready to go to work. That's when I saw him.
And when my father was alive, he would always tend
to forget my mom's birthday, and he would always wish
her like two or three days after her birthday, you know.
But this was like as much as long as I
could remember, but this was the first time that he
(05:58):
came on the date I'm thinking, just to wish here,
you know, for her birthday. And I did not tell
Mom anything until I did not come back from work
there the next day. Uh So that was my first
experience with actually seeing something, and I think and then
after that, I think I became a little more sensitive.
(06:20):
And then I started picking up things here and there,
especially in a house. I would see black shadow masses crossing,
you know, passing by the hallways. I would hear them.
I would hear my name called out when nobody was there,
or I would hear my name called out in either
my sister's voice or in my mother's voice when they
were not even in the house. Then I would be
all alone. So and then I started with I started
(06:45):
feeling that, you know, being watched and every time and
I could not that. It came to a point that
I could not even stay alone in the house because
it used to scare me. Even during the daytime. It
used to scare me. But I started. I ventured into
(07:05):
this field quite much later after this experience. I saw
so our founder, the late gor Of Tavari, who founded
Indian Paranormal Society in two thousand and nine. I saw
him first on we had a show here on MTV
called Girls' Night Out, and that was the first time
(07:30):
I saw paranormal investigators on from India on TV. I
mean I used to watch I was already watching Ghost
Adventures and Ghost Hunters and you know things like already
watching all those shows, and I always just think, I
wish I always wanted to, you know, do something like this.
I wish I could do something like this, you know,
(07:50):
in my life. And I sused to tell my mom,
I wish I'd do something like this. And then I
saw Gore on this show and I was so excited.
I was like, Mom, do you know we already we
actually have a team like this in our country. So
I'm going to reach out to him and see what
is the procedure to joining the joining this organization. And
(08:11):
so that's how I got into it. I reached out
to Gore, you replied, And there was a process. I mean,
I had to go through the to go through the
course and everything. Study its well, understand it because what
you see on TV and what is actually happening is
totally different, you know, right. So that course, when I
(08:31):
did that study with him of the paranormal, it gave
me a lot more understanding of how things work. What
are what are what do you mean by residual energy?
Or what do you mean by intelligent energy? What do
you mean by call the guys? What do you mean
by demonic entity or possessions? And what is cleansing and
things like that? Because you only hear them on TV?
(08:52):
You're stuffitting and googling, you know, what is this name?
What is this thing? So that's how I got into
this field. So now it's been almost about ten years
now that I'm doing this.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I can tell you that it has been a one
hell of a journey and it's been absolutely amazing. Though
we've done about like fifty sixty odd cases so far,
mostly all residential cases, but it happened really incredible because
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even when you go to people's home, there is always
a possibility of you to capture something which is absolutely
incredible and it changes your whole perspective of the field,
you know. So yeah, that's how my journey started.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
And actually, you're very well known for some of the
best photographic anomalies in Indiana, and I wanted to see
how you became to be able to see that where
a lot of people don't be able or not be
(10:02):
able to capture that image. And can you describe maybe
one of the most striking or unexplainable moments that you've documented.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So, you know, honestly, I really don't know how I
how I became this photographic or how god Of used
to say spirit photographer. The camera that I use is
actually his that he gave me, and I just go
in to any location and I just start putting pictures
(10:37):
randomly and at any investigation I would, I can I
can click about anything from one hundred to maybe four
hundred five hundred, six hundred pictures in one night.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Wow, that's all.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, that's a lot. I know, that's a lot of
pictures because I've I don't know, I just feel that
I should capture every corner of that place. You know,
I don't want to miss out on anything because you
never know what may come up there. So what I
do basically is just if I am if I'm looking
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at a certain look, a certain area in that particular location,
I will take about four or five pictures of that
particular area itself in that same position before I go
to the next position and change my angle or whatever
it is, so that I have a before and after
and the middle. If there is something that is captured,
you know on the photographs, right, you don't really get
(11:40):
too much photographic evidence or even video evidence, you know that, right,
We don't. It's very rare that we get capped. We
can capture anything on a camera. But the very first
time that I captured something on the camera was when
we had gone for a residential case in one of
in one of Mumbai's suburbs, and one of the stories
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was that one of the incidents is that the family
would say that they would see somebody in there in
their balcony. So I said, okay, fine, let's just go
and start clicking pictures there. And I did not even
realize that I had captured something. But when I came
home and I was going through reviewing all whatever we captured,
(12:27):
all the photographs, then I saw this thing manifest in
in at least three pour photographs. I saw it actually
manifesting and it cave. The cave came into a shape
of a person standing there, and you could see the
hollow eyes, the hollow nose, and the hollow mouth. I
did not even know that was something that I had
captured until I sent it to Gorev to uh check
(12:52):
and see if there was anything there, And that's when
he circled that whole image and he he sent it
to me. He's like, this is what you have captured.
I said, oh, that's amazing. But yeah, Also, I remember
when I was doing his courses, we were supposed to
do some kind of assessments. You know. One of the
(13:13):
assessments was to just go to any place nearby, to
wherever you were staying, and start clicking pictures. So I
went to my building, the back of my building, and
there it was just like it was there was nothing there.
It was just marshy land and you know, just was
growing here and there. And I started and I used
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I was used my digital camera because I did not
have any equipment that we use in the field. Her
set started clicking with my digital camera and I just
sent it to them for the assessment. I did not
know whether I captured because I did not know how
to read or understand or view these images at that
point of time. And then he came back again and
he told me, look, you've captured this space. And he
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showed me in one of the pictures that I had
captured face and it was the face of a woman
on the rocks. It was just there was a few
stones there, a few rocks there, and that that was
just a face there. That was that I had captured there.
I did not even know at that time, so that
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it just started happening. Just I would go to a location,
I would just start clicking pictures. Sometimes you get, sometimes
you don't get, and then sometimes you do get something
and then you send it out to your team to
you know, see I see something there, Do you also
see the same thing? Do you tell me what you see?
And all that when it always comes out. You know,
it could be matrixing, it could be camera flash, it
(14:40):
could be this, it could be back. So yeah, it
happens that way. That's how I got into this, and
I've been lucky that I've been able to capture some
good and incredible evidences.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Well, I mean it must be getting people's attention, because
that's what you're becoming known for. So congratulations on that.
I know a lot of people when they when they
hear of a case or go into a location, how
(15:13):
do you, and I know you worked with Garav, how
did you determine if it's a genuine paranormal evidence or
maybe a natural or human made explanation during your investigations?
(15:33):
Because I think you know, we all hear creaks in
the night and things like that. So how do you
go into a case and determine what is the origin?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah? So you don't like you also know that almost
like these cases can be debunked. Yeah, it can come
down to a cyclog It can come down to your
mental health or something. Maybe you're going through something and
it can be just debunked to whatever five percent is remaining.
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That also, you have to break it down to see
whether what is genuine out of those five percent and
whether you should actually go to that place and travel
all the way to do an investigation. So usually when
we have clients who get in touch with us, we
ask them a bunch of questions, things like, do you
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know the history of the place, how long have you
been staying there? Has it been happening since the time
you got there, when did it start, how did it start,
or if you were staying someplace else before, was things
like this happening with you there as well? Who are
like experiencing this in your house? What are you experiencing
Because a lot of times when people get in touch
(16:53):
with us, they say, oh, I feel as if I'm possessed. Oh,
I feel as if I have an attachment, or I
feel something is doing this, something is doing that. And
the first thing when people start talking and giving us
this kind of scenarios that is happening to them, we
always tell them to first get medical help. Yeah, to
go and get yourself checked gos, go to a neurologist,
(17:15):
to go to a therapist, get yourself checked and see
if there is no underlying condition medical condition with them.
Then tell them if the doctors give you a clean sheet,
then we are more than happy to look into look
into the paranormal side of it. Yeah. But if the doctors,
and a lot of times when they come back to us,
(17:37):
they will always say, oh, the doctor has diagnosed us
with some kind of disorder or with some kind of
mental health issue. Something is happening to them. So in
those cases, there is really nothing that we can do
on our end. They have to take that treatment. They
have to take care of themselves. We can only counsel
them and tell them what can they do, but of
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what Also, what happens that there are people who are
so into this thing, they'll keep researching, researching, researching, and
they're so obsessed. Also we also tell them that, see, look,
because you're so much into this, you're manifesting this on
your own, even if it is not there, it is
you who is doing this. So you need to stop.
(18:23):
You need to put an end to this so that
you know things will calm down. But if there are
clients that say that the children are getting affected, yeah,
or if they say that yes, they have been physically abused, physically,
they have been attacked, like there's scratches and things like that,
then we take those cases on priority, and especially when
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children are concerned. We don't ask two questions. We just
we are happy to go there and investigate because there
are children involved. There are some clients who have CCTV
cameras fixed in their houses also, you know, tell them,
you know, if you have if you've captured anything on
your CCTV cameras. If you have anything, you send it
(19:06):
to us. We will have a look at it and
see if there is anything they're going on, or if
there is an explanation as to why what sounds you're
hearing or what are those things that you're seeing in
the night and all that. A lot of times we
can debunk that as well as being maybe the cab,
the dog, or some person passing by or outside vehicles,
you know, of people talking in the neighborhood, things like that.
(19:28):
But there are clients who have sent us evidence where
they've actually seen things. We have actually seen shadow figures
passing by on the CCTV cameras, so that makes it okay,
this is happening. Maybe we'll go there and we'll check
it out and see. So that's how we determine which
cases to go to, which cases not to go to.
(19:49):
There are a lot of times where I remember my
very first investigation with in paranormal Society. We went to
a residential case where the client he told us that
his wife is getting affected a lot. So when we
found out when he reached there and he spoke to
(20:10):
the client, then he was like he told us the
entire history that she had been through a lot of
trauma in her life. There were a lot of people
that she had lost, you know, over the years, very quickly,
you know, in a matter of months, orm in a
matter of few years, that she had lost a lot
of people. So she's very traumatized now. And I think
(20:34):
she was also borderline schizophrenia as well. So then see
here becomes the issue. What are we supposed to do here?
You know, here it is only they can only take
medical help. A therapist can help, for a doctor can help.
You know, we still if they insist, we still go
(20:54):
there just to give them that to suit them, you
know that, Okay, fine, we'll come there do our investigation,
but you also need to be prepared that we may
or they may not find any evidence. So we have
to get them prepared as well, because a lot of
times if we don't find any evidence of anything happening
in that house. It backfires on us.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, well, because if somebody is on the verge of schizophrenia,
they're not going to believe what you say anyway. So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
And see here it's just very different. Pharanormal investigators are
a last resort for families. The first thing they will
do is they will call all these god men's you
know what we call the who do all these rituals
and black magic and things like that. They will do
all these things first, and then still when they don't
(21:52):
get any any kind of relief, that's when they will
call us. And if we don't give them the answers
that they want, yeah, then they'll say, oh, but that
person came to my house and they said that, oh
there is this happening. How are you saying that there
is nothing in the house? Right? And I see because
we are. We are investigating using scientific equipment, and we
(22:16):
did not get anything that could say that there is
something happening in the house. So why would we want
to lie to you. They don't want to believe this.
They are happy to believe what those god means or
what those black match people that they want to believe
them rather than believing paranomal investigators who are presenting them
the evidence. Well, that is a problem here.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I'm curious on how does because I know with overseas,
especially in Asia, very spiritual. And I'm curious because here
in America, a lot of times when you mentioned anything
paranormal Christianity is they look down upon that. They look
(23:02):
they think it's as demons or something that's negative. How
does India perceive your work majority I would.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Say it's not very open here. Don'tually talk about the
paranormal as much. If somebody talks about that they are
experiencing something, they are always looked down upon or they'll
be taunted. You know, you're you're crazy, you're imagining things.
You need to go to a psychiatrist, you need to
(23:38):
go for therapy. There is no such thing as ghosts
or spirits. They can't talk like this, you know, things
like that. So it is only now since since GOREV
got this whole paranormal thing in India, people have started
just a little bit, have started to open out and
(23:59):
talk about all these things. But it is still very
taboo here, still very taboo. And see the thing is
that how Bollywood portrays horror. Yeah, you've seen any Bollywood
movies or series where concerning horror or paranormal it's not
(24:21):
it's not real. You know that. Even when you see
Hollywood movies, you know half of it is not real.
It doesn't happen that way. So it's very it's opening
up just a little bit, just like one percent. It
will take a lot of time for people to completely
open up. This is the reason why it's difficult to
(24:41):
get permissions to investigate haunted locations really, because even for
residential cases, people will come to us and they will
tell us, and you know, they're experiencing things like this
and all that, and when you say, okay, fine, we'll
be a happy to come and investigate, they will shut off. Yeah,
they don't want to believe. Then they say, oh no, no, no,
(25:03):
you know what, nothing is happening. Everything is fine. Now,
it's okay, now, don't bother this or that. And so
it is always like this. I really wish that people
would be more understanding to this and that it's not
something to fear. I mean, if you educate yourself enough,
(25:24):
you will be in a much better place to talk
about it. People will be much more open to talk
about it and sensible things. This also goes to the
media here like Bollywood, who could change the way they
show horror. You know, even if it's a reality show
or even if it's a movie, If they change the
way they show things, then it could be much better.
(25:46):
Because for them, We've been approached by a lot of
people to do work with them, and it always comes
down to, oh, we have to show possession, or we
have to show people levitating, or we have to show
people vomiting green guy stuff. I said, but that doesn't happen, right,
How many possessions have you seen? I mean, it's not
(26:07):
that possessions are happening every day.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Right, which is rare.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, yeah, so it's very rare these cases. But this
is what they want to show. So instead of educating
people with these things, they want to build fear because
for them, horror means or paranormal means fear. Yeah. So
it's it's like this, I mean, And where religion is concerned,
like there are there are some religions who believe in
(26:33):
this the okay, yes there is there are things like this,
but like you said, Christianity, same with us, the Christian
are Community, the Christian Committee they don't really. The church
will not believe you if you tell them that you
know so and so is happening. Oh, don't worry about it.
There is nothing like that. You just say your prayers
(26:53):
this even though they may no, ky okay, there is
something like this happening. There could be a possibility, but
they will make you. They will deny it. But the
Catholic is Catholic community or the Catholics is concerned. The
Christian community, Christianity is concerned. It's the same as you
experienced there.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's I think ghost Hunters and Ancient
Aliens the TV shows have really opened people's minds here
where they used to not want to talk about it,
but now everybody is wanting to talk about it now.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
So I think that we don't get to see your
shows here.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
You don't.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
We don't get to see them. You have to see it.
You have to download it from some source. Wow. I
mean people who can download it from the source and
see it, they are a little open about it. But
people who don't have access, they have no clue and
they're still in that closed mind here.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Yeah yeah, I mean hopefully one day that that will
open up and open the minds.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
A little bit more.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, well, I know here in America, most of our
sites meaning buildings, structures maybe three hundred, three hundred and
fifty years old. There's a lot of Native Americans that
you know that's been here thousands of years. But India,
(28:19):
I mean there's tens of thousands of years of structures
and locations, and it's filled with centuries old forts and
palaces and temples. What is some of the haunted, most
haunted sites that you have been to and have left
a deep impression on you personally.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
So unfortunately I have personally not visited these sites as such,
but my team, goref and the team, they have been
to all the forts here. One of the top so
I was doing some research of top Asia top most
haunted places in Asia, and one of the forts, which
(29:07):
is in Rajasthan called bangor Forth, is the top most
haunted place in Asia. And that is like an ancient structure.
It was a village that just disappeared overnight. That whole
entire village disappeared overnight. People just left and everything was
(29:28):
in ruins. Then there's Kuldhara again in Rajasthan. Same kind
of story where people just left overnight for there have
plenty of reasons. But then of course there are all
the stories that folklore that comes down from generations that
you know. So those are the places two of the
(29:51):
most haunted locations if you're talking about forts and all.
There are other places as well. I have been to
like a forest here, which is also quite old. The forest, Yeah,
and it has a lot of stories there of hauntings
and things like that. Uh. And people are really not
(30:13):
allowed to go there in the night. You can't even
pass across that road where the fore from where the
forest starts, because it is ah, it is notorious too.
It is notoriously known for hauntings. Plus in the night
all the because it's a forest, all the wildlife comes out.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
So wow, what what do you think makes it so haunted?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Uh? There have there have been a lot of accidents there,
a lot of murders. So that place, before it got
developed into a residential area, it was a complete dead end.
It was only just thick forest everywhere. So uh, I
think it was more like and I've even heard that
(31:01):
there used to be decots there. So yeah, there's a dump,
dumping bodies, murdering people, looting people, and things like that. Uh,
those are all the stories. Plus there there are all
the stories about a woman walking on the road and
if she asks if when you pass that road, everybody
(31:23):
will tell you if anybody stops you asking for a lift,
do not stop, just go straight because you never know
whom you're picking up, whether it's a spirit away that
it's actually a human being. So when you pass that
road in the night, it really gives them very eerie feeling.
And the forest officials don't allow you there after seven
(31:47):
in the night. It's very restricted. You really need permissions,
like huge set of permissions to go in there if
you want to go in there for any purpose. There
are people still, there are people living there the forest. Yeah.
The forest is also attached to our film city where
(32:09):
all the movie shoots and all take place. So that
film city was all actually constructed inside the forest. Well
even for movies. Yeah, even for movies and all. They
need special formassions if they want to investigate in the night,
and they have to have very high security. They don't
allow people, you know, walking alone or going to some
(32:31):
location alone. And also that because from anywhere there'd be
either a leopard or a tiger or line just counts
on you and forget the hauntings.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Right right, I think I'd be more scared of those.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, they're more scared of those. Then there's then we
have the mines here Lumby deyher Minds. Those were mines
that were shut down because there were a lot of
accidents and a lot of people lost their lives. Unfortunately,
for paranormal investing, they only have access to the administrative
building and not the mines actually, but if you are
(33:08):
if you stand in the administrative building in that structure,
you can hear what sounds like people still walking inside
the mines. Oh wow. Yeah, you can hear screams. You
will hear tools banging and things like that. So, uh,
these are some of that. There are other places also,
uh that are that are quite haunted, and again it
(33:32):
comes down to getting permissions to go and investigate these places.
A lot of them are associative as folklores, so you
don't know whether they are actually really haunted or is
it just stories that you've heard over the generations. But
could a bangor lambidher mindes. The the art of Forest
(33:53):
that I was talking about, they are pretty known for
all their hauntings and all their paranormal activity that goes
on there. Yeah, and we've captured Oh. Also in Mumbai,
we have these mills, it's called mcash Mills, which is
one of the most haunted locations in India. UH and
(34:14):
our team went there to investigate. And I almost thought
that there would beside residual energy there right because of UH.
You would think in certain places you just get that
feeling that oh, you know, that could just be residual energy,
there is no way that you would get anything intelligent.
But it was actually the opposite. There is so much
(34:36):
of intelligent energy because when we were communicating and the
team was communicating, they got some incredible responses. And of
course gore Goreth was a spirit photographer of the team UH,
and he captured He also captured some amazing evidence in
Muccation Mills in Kuldhara as well, not so much in Banger,
(34:58):
but even in lumb they heard he captured some incredible
evidence on UH on his equipment when he went to investigate.
And of course if you know that when he went
to Australia, that's also there where he captured a lot
of evidence photographic evidence.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, that's pretty amazing It's like I said, I haven't
had the opportunity to go to many sites, and it
sounds like that you have, uh not the opportunity to
go to a lot of these sites. But what are
a few that you would love to investigate?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
There has to.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Be, That's what I'm saying. I mean, if people, if
the owners of these places, you know, all these haunted locations,
if they just open up the property for paranormal investigations
or for ghost tours and things like that, it would
be absolutely amazing because that's when people will start opening
up and talking about things, you know, and it will
(35:56):
change the mindset or the change the way to think
about this field. Yeah, because when we when you talk
about paranormal, you're always talking about aliens, UFOs and then
ghosts and entities and spirits. But here people, when you
say paranormal this strait, we think about ghosts and spirits.
Yeah yeah, yeah, But like we always say, paranormal, it's
(36:17):
not just ghosts and spirits. It's about everything that cannot
be explained. Yeah. So that's what we need to have
something to Somebody needs to come and change something.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Well maybe it's you, Maybe it's you. So how how
has this changed your own spiritual beliefs work doing the
work that you do.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yes, I'm more open to when people talk to me
about their experiences and definitely more open to believing them that, yes,
maybe they aren't experiencing something. Uh. When you uh, when
you are in this field for so many years, you
tend to develop. You become a little more sensitive to
(37:07):
everything around you. Now have started saying, oh, this person
doesn't give a good vibe, but there is something. Or
when you walk into a place, it doesn't have to
be a haunted location. You can just walk into a
place and you can get a sense and a feel
of things. Yeah, I'm sure you are also in this
field for such a long time now even when you
(37:28):
go to any normal location, you'll just start start getting
those vines. Yeah, that has definitely opened me up those abilities,
so sensitive abilities has definitely opened up about me. But
definitely I have become more open to people when they
talk about all these things, and most send more empathetic
(37:50):
towards them. Yeah, sympathizing with them that they're going through
all this and helping them out, giving them free, free consultations, right.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
And even the spirits that are in these locations when
you go in with an open mind and a loving heart.
I feel that sometimes the spirits will reveal themselves easier
when you have a heart.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
That's it's become much more respectful when I go into
these locations, you know, Yeah, you are much more respectful
towards not just that, not just the living, but also
the dead. Because I think, yes, I would have not
been in this field for such a long time. Probably
if I would have gone to a location, I would
have been maybe more maybe make fun of it or
(38:35):
you know, provocative things like that. But now it is
much more. But now it's much more respectful.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Well. We you're part of the Indian Paranormal Society. Grav
unfortunately has passed away. What is the direction the approach
that this paranormal society to the public. Are you there
to educate? What's what? What is the purpose of the
(39:05):
Indian Paranormal Society.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
So our main purpose is basically to help to help
people to educate them of course about this this field.
Also to breaking their myths, breaking superstitions. Yeah, helping them
to open understanding and open their minds that if you
are experiencing all this it is okay. You don't have
(39:30):
to be scared, Yeah, you don't. Please don't think that
you are crazy or there is something wrong with you. No,
if you don't have anybody to talk to about all this,
come to us. We are here to help you. We
will hear you out. But for us, it's just mostly
this thing, not to instill fear. We are not sure
(39:52):
to instill fear. We want you, We want people to
get educated about this field. We want to draw a
line between what is real and what is myth and
what is superstition, and what happens in reality and what
happens on TV are two totally different things, which is
(40:14):
very important because what they show on TV, people think
that is exactly what happens to us as well when
we go to locations. But because that is not the case.
So that is what we are trying as a team.
This is what Grev always wanted to have had been
doing since till the time he was alive, and we
(40:35):
continue to do that to move forward with his vision,
with his legacy, because that's the best way for us
to honor him and the work that he has done.
And I think if it wasn't for him, we would
not have this paranormal scene right now in India as
(40:56):
it is as what it is today, it is definitely
thanks to him because he was the first person to
bring this whole concept into India and even though he
himself was a non believer.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
He was a non believer.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah wow. You know, like somebody famous always says, I
never believed in ghosts until I came face to face
with one. That is exactly what happened. That is exactly
what happened to him.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
That is funny. Yeah. I think a lot of times
people that get into the industry, or some of them
are non believers, just to see if it's like a
science a scientist. A lot of times they.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Wish to make it a real science. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, it's it's the the the trying to prove versus
not just not believing. So I think that's fascinating. Wow,
that's that. That's kind of interesting to hear. So going forward,
word Magna, So what are you are you speaking? Are
(42:05):
you doing any tours, are you having conferences? What's what's
the what's the like? In India?
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Not as of now, because we don't get much cases
coming through. And now that the thing is that we
are all uh, my team members, we are all family people,
so going out becomes a little difficult because I mean
I myself have my daughter. She's just too so leaving
her going just for one night it is okay, but
(42:37):
she still is not getting adjusted to that. We do
a lot of podcasts here, We do a lot of uh,
just talking to people. If they invite us over for
seminars or sessions, we ye happily go there and we
are happy to go and investigate wherever we want to investigate.
I mean, as long as we get the permissions, the
(42:58):
correct permissions, we go ahead and do that. But yeah,
it's a little slow. I mean it's not as open.
I mean you all have locations which are open for
ghost hunting, for re paranormal research. It's not like this here.
I really wish it was like this, so you could
just just take permission from the care take off right here.
(43:19):
It is very difficult.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Well, it sounds like we're going to have to get
a team and go over there and.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Go on some very welcome you are very welcome.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
We would love that, but I would love that. So
all right, Well, people can go to India Indian Paranormal
Society DOT. I am for India, uh and check out
all kinds of amazing work that you guys do. And
I know you can go on Instagram and also find
(43:50):
the society and of course your personal one, which that's
where I found you. But I really appreciate you being
on the show and talking about what it's like over
in India and the paranormal community. It sounds like we
need to to send some good vibes and open hope,
(44:11):
hoping people open up more and getting it more exposure,
because I think the more we connect with the spirit world,
the better we can connect in the in the our world.
Yeah yeah, that hopefully we can get that the eyes
open more.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
So.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
But so thank you so much for really uh sharing
your story and opening up a whole different side that
we probably don't ever we never even heard about here
in America. So appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Thank you so much for having me on this show, Tony.
It was really a pleasure and I've really enjoyed myself
flust time on an international podcast.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
I love to I love to be the first. I
love it well, thank you, thank you, and thank you
everybody for tuning in. We really appreciate it. Please support them.
This is they're part of our community and follow them,
share their journeys, share their cases, and just enjoy the
ride with them. And thank you for tuning in. Please like, share,
(45:18):
and subscribe this episode and my channel. You can watch
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all the audio outlets. It's been a pleasure to being
here every Friday three o'clock and bringing you people like
the Magna that shares their story and share their gift
(45:41):
of knowledge that a lot of us don't have other
than reading or listening to podcasts. So until next time,
I'm Tony Sweet with truth be told on the Club
Paranormal Network, and take care of yourself and each other.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Bye.
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